December 04, 2010

"Last night I had the strangest dream..." [Fritzworth]
— Open Blogger

No, really, I had a dream this morning where I was part of one of two competing groups trying to set policies and priorities for the US Government. Our solution, which we all thought was fair and clever, was to race four different colored mice around a semi-oval race track. They represented four major areas of spending -- something like defense, discretionary spending, entitlements, and foreign policy -- and the order in which they finished determined the relative priority and spending for each.

I chuckled when I woke up, but then read this article and wondered if my approach might not work better:


In a lame-duck congressional session jam-packed with competing priorities critical to Democrats and their political base, President Barack Obama is putting much of his political muscle into an all-out push to ratify an arms control treaty with Russia that has no significant domestic constituency and has barely been part of the political debate over the past year.

Some, particular advocates of causes struggling for oxygen in the dwindling days of the lame-duck Congress such as those seeking repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy banning openly gay members of the military, are asking about the START treaty: What’s the hurry?

Someone many years ago described DC as "forty square miles surrounded by reality." Having lived there myself, I can attest to the accuracy of that quote. ..fritz..

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1

old news, but Susan Collins has announced she will vote to end DADT...

once all the Bush tax cuts have been made permanent first.

 

I think the RINOs now realized their power lies in actually standing firm to get what the party wants first, and with the clock ticking it buys them political cover when they make shit votes next year.

 

It is funny to watch the Democrats twist in the wind- you can really tell they don't have the typical NE Republican votes for what they want and it is freaking them out (ex- Bob Menendez yesterday)

 

Posted by: CAC at December 04, 2010 06:09 AM (lV4Fs)

2 Last night I dreamed I was sleeping amongst hobos when I could have been sleeping in bed. Oh, SNAP! I really WAS sleeping amongst hobos. And I'm cranky and headachy now, so no one gimme ANY crap today about picking on some bimbo cheerleader's looks. Just DON'T. I'm cranky and require tender loving care. And if you haven't ever given me some care, what entitles you to give me BS? Anything else I can bitch about?? I'll keep you posted.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:10 AM (tJjm/)

3 Gerghaty (I can never spell his name right) had an awesome post on that at the campaign spot yesterday CAC

Posted by: Zakn at December 04, 2010 06:11 AM (zyaZ1)

4 I would be willing to cut the "defense" budget if the cut the crap out of it that has nothing to do with defense. Cut ALL of that crap the commies put in there that they wanted but knew the Republicans would never vote for it.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 06:15 AM (e4sSD)

5 I swear if I didn't know better I would say it was going to snow here today or tonight. It has clouded over and it is 41°F outside. Supposed to get a lot colder again tonight and rain.

I don't think it has ever snowed here since I have been here in early Dec.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 06:17 AM (e4sSD)

6 @4: I think I'll kill myself now. Not that anyone cares. Nor should they care, really. Caring about anybody is just a useless exercise, a total downer. And I'm feeling so down, it's depressing. So depressing I may just off myself. After all, what's the point of going on? We all die in the end anyway. So all not killing yourself accomplishes is putting off the inevitable and subjecting yourself to a lot of utterly pointless suffering along the way. Because you know there really is no God, and that must makes the Holiday Season THAT much harder to take. It makes me feel SO down it really just feeds the depression.

Posted by: Marvin the Depressed Robot at December 04, 2010 06:18 AM (tJjm/)

7 5 I would be willing to cut the "defense" budget if the cut the crap out of it that has nothing to do with defense. Cut ALL of that crap the commies put in there that they wanted but knew the Republicans would never vote for it. Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:15 AM (e4sSD) First of all, cut out the part that pays for the Navy and Air Force pretending to be the freaking Red Cross. No, an aircraft carrier's primary mission is NOT to bring air to Haiti. Second of all, cut off ALL funding for "Sensitivity Training." No more forced seminars for the troops and their officers on why exactly it's so wonderful to have people like Major Hassan in the service. Third of all, close the bases everyone knows are not really necessary but are kept open to provide jobs for the hypocritical constituents of some hyper-liberal Senator. THAT could save some real money. Other than that: hands off the defense budget.

Posted by: Marvin the Depressed Robot at December 04, 2010 06:22 AM (tJjm/)

8

I finally understand Marvin's pain.

Yes, I just watched the 80s flashback video at HA.

Now it all makes sense...

Posted by: Mama AJ the paranoid android at December 04, 2010 06:24 AM (XdlcF)

9 I think we all need to go watch Ren & Stimpy's greatest ever work: "The Happy Helmet".  Brilliant.

Posted by: sherlock at December 04, 2010 06:26 AM (thr9V)

10 Anything else I can bitch about?? I'll keep you posted.
Posted by: CoolCzech

Hold us hostage by any means you can but, posting random pics of Helen Thomas is my weapon. No treaties on that biotch.

Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2010 06:28 AM (VMcEw)

11 Four mice could do a far better job of setting policy than that bunch of pampered rats we have in D.C.

It doesn't require much intelligence to know what needs to be done, but apparently even basic, commonsense action is beyond the ability of those infected with the Washington Disease.

The Democrats are simply Pavlovian -- they salivate when someone waves money (real or imagined) in front of them. What really pisses me off are the Republican goons who can talk a good game, but cave in like a sand wall the instant they actually have to step up to the plate and produce results.

Do we have to endure another two years of high-minded ginks like Boehner and DeMint posturing and pontificating while the Demo-rats keep stealing the cheese?

Yeah, we do.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 06:33 AM (Ulu3i)

12 Flounder.  Flail.  Flop.

But at least his pants are well-creased.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 04, 2010 06:34 AM (U6LOz)

13 @9: actually, the most depressing thing about those two clips on Hotair is it brings home just how much time has gone by since the 1980's... it's not that the Miami Vice guy ("Tubbs") looks that bad today, but just the fact that he's now old enough to be a grandpappy that I find distressing. On the other hand, it IS comforting how shielded we here in the States are from Euro-popular culture: I have no idea who half the "celebrities" in those clips are, but apparently the Euroweenies suck up all our worst shows. Good for them, the little anti-American socialist pricks!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:35 AM (tJjm/)

14 Our solution, which we all thought was fair and clever, was to race four different colored mice around a semi-oval race track. They represented four major areas of spending -- something like defense, discretionary spending, entitlements, and foreign policy -- and the order in which they finished determined the relative priority and spending for each.

How much Val-U-Rite was consumed to induce this idea?  Still, I like it!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 04, 2010 06:37 AM (9hSKh)

15 11 "Anything else I can bitch about?? I'll keep you posted." Posted by: CoolCzech Hold us hostage by any means you can but, posting random pics of Helen Thomas is my weapon. No treaties on that biotch. Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2010 10:28 AM (VMcEw) Take THAT, Stevo! http://tinyurl.com/2v6un3k

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:39 AM (tJjm/)

16 Sort of like Health Care, we need to approve teh START Treaty so we can know what is in it. Why on earth would we want to debate and review a international treaty that teh Russkies (amd Hillary, but I repeat myself) had a hand in wording?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 06:44 AM (8nf3A)

17 @18: remember, Bambi wants to be a "transformational president." Transforming America into a Declining Former Superpower is the name of his game. And he's plays it rather well.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:44 AM (tJjm/)

18 20 Sort of like Health Care, we need to approve teh START Treaty so we can know what is in it. Right, and it has to be done IMMEDIATELY because everything with this guy is always a pressing EMERGENCY no one even thought of the month before.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:45 AM (tJjm/)

19 Have you patented the four mouse decision maker yet? Sounds like a great Christmas gift for your local RINO. For a change, they might be right every once in a while!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 06:47 AM (8nf3A)

20 23 Have you patented the four mouse decision maker yet? Sounds like a great Christmas gift for your local RINO. For a change, they might be right every once in a while! Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 10:47 AM (8nf3A) Maybe call it the Magic Mouse Ball?

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:48 AM (tJjm/)

21 22--yes sooner is always better than later. It is better to reflect in sorrow, than to wallow in indecision. Sign NOW!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 06:48 AM (8nf3A)

22 @ andycanuck

I never read the book, but I appreciated Douglas Adams' explanation of the number 42. "I may be a sorry case, but I don't write jokes in base 13."

One theory is the saying "All sixes and sevens." When you're learning your multiplication tables, everything up to 6 x 7 = 42 is relatively simple.

Jewish mystics claim God has a 42 letter name that cannot be pronounced. The easier one is the Monogrammata pronounced simply Hey.

According to the Jewish mystics, Hey represents the divine breath or revelation. On the fifth day, the LORD created Light, and this corresponds to the letter Hey. Since the numerical value of Hey is five, this corresponds on a physical level to the five fingers, the five senses, and the five dimensions. On a spiritual level it corresponds to the five levels of soul:




Nefesh - instincts Ruach - emotions Neshamah - mind Chayah - bridge to transcendence Yechidah - oneness


"By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth" (Psalm 33:6). In the Talmud (Menachot 29b) it is said that the "breath of His mouth" refers to the sound of the letter Hey - the outbreathing of Spirit.


Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 06:48 AM (mHQ7T)

23

You actualy bring up an interesting point.

At EVERY decision point, Obama et al consistantly do the wrong thing... EVERY time it seems.

Now, even someone not knowing what they were doing would randomly get SOME things right... but he seems to always make the choice which hurts America.

Now, random chance in a binaray decision set means you are correct 1/2 of the time...

Ergo, to be wrong all the time?  There has to be some underlieing reason... Random stupidity does not explain his pattern of choice.

Evil? Some Philosophy?  I don't know... but no one can be this consistantly wrong from pure stupidity.

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 06:49 AM (AdK6a)

24 “Do you allow yourself to be held hostage and get something done for the sake of getting something done, when in fact it might be perverse in its ultimate results? It’s almost like the question of do you negotiate with terrorists.”

Posted by: Barney Frank at December 04, 2010 06:52 AM (tE8FB)

25 To paraphrase the old Davy Crockett line: "Be sure you are right, then do the opposite!" YEs, flipping a coin will give you an error rate of 0.5 (1 in 2). The mouse maze would make it 0.25 (1 in 4), but to achieve a rate of 0 in N (where N is a very large number denoting all the Obama decisions made to date) sure makes it appear deliberate (or incredibly stupid). Since I know it can't be stupidity, because teh entire mainstream media told me so repeatedly, the only remaining conclusion ids that of deliberate action!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 06:54 AM (8nf3A)

26 Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at December 04, 2010 10:42 AM (G/MYk)

Obama was sitting around one day, getting high with his fellow travelers, and they all started to wax poetic about how wonderful the world would be if only we could get rid of nuclear weapons. Unlike most people who entertained such stupidity in their early twenties, Obama never grew up, so we have this brilliant diplomatic push instead of substance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at December 04, 2010 06:54 AM (LH6ir)

27 @27: Remember, socialism - whether the full-blown Communist version or the new American Socialism variant - always seems to have a certain internal consistency because it utterly inverts reality. Good is Bad, Bad is Good, Night is Day, Day is Night... it's sort of watching a video of a ball rolling along a flat service in reverse: it's actually hard to tell if the film is in reverse or not, until you suddenly see the ball drop up. Obama's value system and entire world view is utterly upside down. Therefore, he consistently makes decisions that to any sane person are 180 degrees the opposite of the truth, right down to bowing to Emperor Hirohito's heir.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:55 AM (tJjm/)

28 Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 10:47 AM

I'll stick to Chia Pets. At least they do something. As long as you water them.

The Bawney Fwank Chia Pet doesn't like water, BTW.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 06:55 AM (Ulu3i)

29 George Costanza suffered from the same problem...

Posted by: scrood at December 04, 2010 06:56 AM (4cRlt)

30 33--I hesitate to ask what it DOES like!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 06:57 AM (8nf3A)

31 33 Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 10:47 AM I'll stick to Chia Pets. At least they do something. As long as you water them. I fondly remember a girl from college with a kitteh chia pet...

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 06:57 AM (tJjm/)

32 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 10:57 AM (tJjm/)

They trim them now.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at December 04, 2010 06:58 AM (LH6ir)

33
mornin, nimrods nimrodettes

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:00 AM (uFokq)

34

You were dreaming of good times from the past (you & us making decisions via our congress member).  Those days are gone regardless of which party is controlling the congress.

 

Just read a new book that's a must read cause it's about Americans who finally take a finally stand (after they have a dream) & do something.  It's about each of us & possibly our true destiny in history soon.  I recommend it.

 

www.booksbyoliver.com

 

 

Thanks for sharing your dream with everyone.  We need to be remind of when times were good.  Good writing!

Posted by: WhiteSnow at December 04, 2010 07:01 AM (eD+zX)

35 I fondly remember a girl from college with a kitteh chia pet... Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 10:57 AM

Yeah, finding a patch of green shoots waving around down there would get my attention, too....

You get your chlorophyll where you can.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 07:02 AM (Ulu3i)

36

"I," "my," and "myself."  And!  A sign-off.

Posted by: Because I Like Me at December 04, 2010 07:02 AM (wbpZG)

37 last night I dreamed I was wearing UGG boots

Posted by: archie bunker at December 04, 2010 07:03 AM (0YS61)

38 40 Have you seen the new executive order that declares that the only source of authority for any thing is an executive order? Understand the Harvarrd lawyers are drafting one as we write.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 07:03 AM (8nf3A)

39 Start Treaty?  Where the Hell is the Jobs Bill you dumb shit?

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:04 AM (X/VwQ)

40
Tattoo, that's all very interesting. Perhaps more to the point is the fact that Adams died at the age of 42. A coincidence, of course; yet the fact is that for Adams, that number did give the answer to all of his questions.

Posted by: Brown Line at December 04, 2010 07:04 AM (WFXON)

41 Working Title for Obama's Presidential Memoirs: I Won, Bitches!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 07:05 AM (tJjm/)

42 Hey, Tattoo. Enjoyed reading that.

Posted by: texette at December 04, 2010 07:05 AM (Bl4NH)

43 I would go into the dream I had last night, but I'm still waiting to see if the hobo bleeds out as he should to be sure I'm awake...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 04, 2010 07:06 AM (aoLEL)

44 45 Start Treaty? Where the Hell is the Jobs Bill you dumb shit? Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 11:04 AM (X/VwQ) Destroying America's nuclear deterrent will create or save millions of Green Jobs! Or something.

Posted by: Barky Obama at December 04, 2010 07:06 AM (tJjm/)

45

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 11:02 AM (Ulu3i)

Eww....

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 04, 2010 07:08 AM (9hSKh)

46 ...asking about the START treaty: WhatÂ’s the hurry?



Because Puttin wants a START treaty, and he has the dox on Obama's birth, world travels and all the rest. The KGB, by whatever name it's going by today, doesn't much care about American records privacy. O does what he's told, or else.

It's good to be Czar.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 04, 2010 07:09 AM (yea0z)

47 @52: Heh, heh.. I like to think of myself as America's "O Face," IYKWIM.

Posted by: Barky Obama at December 04, 2010 07:10 AM (tJjm/)

48 So this must be that laser-like focus on the economy that we've been hearing so much about.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 04, 2010 07:11 AM (b6qrg)

49 Where the Hell is the Jobs Bill you dumb shit?
Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 11:04 AM

"Jobs Bill?" You going Democrat now?

There is no such thing as a "jobs bill." The only thing the gubmint can do to help create jobs is to take themselves out of the picture as much as possible.

Less regulation, less taxation, less debt. And no more "free trade" agreements with countries that dump their shit on us and restrict the sale of U.S.-made goods.

When government unemployment goes up, real unemployment will decline.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 07:12 AM (Ulu3i)

50 remember, Bambi wants to be a "transformational president."

I watched a documentary on the Barnes collection of post-impressionist art last night, and it was an interesting look at the modern Democratic party. The collector, Albert C. Barnes, was a Gatsby-like figure. He came from nowhere and amassed a fortune by inventing a VD vaccine administered as eye drops to infants. Then he traveled to Europe and collected Cezannes, Picassos, Van Goghs, Seurats,  etc. and he had an amazing eye. Nobody knew what those paintings would be worth one day, and he liked in Philadelphia, what he once called an "intellectual slum." Barnes was rightfully proud of his collection, and he showed it off to the public, only to universal critical panning.

This outrage embittered Barnes toward the East Coast art world and society for life. He particularly loathed Walter Annenberg, owner of the Philadelphia Enquirer and son of a bootlegger / racketeer who paid off politicians to give his son a phony ambassadorship, so he could swan around like some English lord. Annenberg made it his mission in life to destroy the Barnes collection, because it was such a painful reminder of his own intellectual and aesthetic shortcomings. This went for much of high society in Philadelphia, who were outraged that Barnes ran a school instead of a museum and later left his estate to Black state school Lincoln College.

Once Lincoln got on the board of directors, you had some characters with a limited imagination but a burning desire to ingratiate themselves into polite society who sold both their school (despite protests from the NAACP) and the Barnes Foundation down the river. They helped the Pew Foundation make their name, becoming a mutibillion dollar public charity by acquiring the Barnes collection and being able to claim that on their taxes, and helped Annenberg achieve his lifelong dream of shredding the Barnes will. By the way, when Annenberg died, after all his talk of making art accessible and his love for his Philadelphia, donated his entire collection to MoMA with the stipulation that it can never be sold, loaned or otherwise broken up. But there are some interesting cameos by Gov. Ed Rendell and DA Mike Kelly.

Anyway, Barnes was an admirer of FDR, and so maybe he ultimately could appreciate how they destroyed his legacy. They stacked the board just like FDR did the Supreme Court. Gotta love transformation, and the taxpayers there are so happy to pay for it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 07:12 AM (mHQ7T)

51 It's good to be Czar.

All things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia.

Posted by: Nicholas II at December 04, 2010 07:13 AM (U6LOz)

52 You should have seen the dream that I had about mice ...

Posted by: Richard Gere at December 04, 2010 07:14 AM (vdfwz)

53

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 11:12 AM (Ulu3i)

Jobs Bills??? 

1. Fair Tax.

2. Abolish the EPA

3. Bill to turn over all Federal Land not used by either the Feds, or Military, to State ownership and Jurisdiction (including all Federal Parks).

4. Abolish Obmacare, especially the upcoming Reporting of all transcations over $600 requirment.

5. Congress creating law to over ride Obama's drilling stop.

I consider all of these... Jobs Bills...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 07:16 AM (AdK6a)

54 Brown Line, that's interesting. Kind of like the joke about God and Nietzche.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 07:16 AM (mHQ7T)

55 56 Jobs Bill=Tax Cuts.  It was a metaphor.  Chill.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:16 AM (X/VwQ)

56 I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night. He tried to sell me propane and propane accessories. I think I'm getting confused...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at December 04, 2010 07:18 AM (LFAxM)

57 57 Tattoo, I saw that also.  What a depressing horror.  Made me want to buy more guns.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:18 AM (X/VwQ)

58
Instead of playing footsie and fucking around with Gates and homosexuals, why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:19 AM (uFokq)

59 One of my useless facts:  "at sixes and sevens" refers to the fight for positions in the Lord Mayor of London's parade.  All the guilds were assigned parade positions based on their importance.  They argued a lot about relative importance.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 04, 2010 07:19 AM (dYKl3)

60 Fritz - welcome back state side.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:20 AM (LwLqV)

61 "...why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?" Because no one can do a farking thing about it.

Posted by: navybrat at December 04, 2010 07:20 AM (ikJVq)

62

I consider all of these... Jobs Bills...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 11:16 AM

That's what I'm talkin' about....

Reduce the government's power to own, control and tax, and you create a better environment for the citizens.

At some point, I'm afraid any such moves -- if the greedy incompetents in DC ever had the balls to institute them -- would have to become Constitutional amendments so the next batch of suckers-on-the-public-teat couldn't undo them.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 07:20 AM (Ulu3i)

63
btw, I nominate Fritzworth for the Russ In Winterset Award for Bloggingtm

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:21 AM (uFokq)

64
Because no one can do a farking thing about it.

So we're pretty much just like South Korea, then.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:22 AM (uFokq)

65 Surfer Doc, no kidding. Moving the Barnes collection to a convention center off the Ben Franklin Parkway, as if it was some kind of IHOP / filling station, is an act of cultural vandalism on par with burning down Falling Water. You can enjoy it in its original location until 2012, if you feel like a day trip to the City of Brotherly Love. The movie is The Art of the Steal. But when you see this as a metaphor for this country as our founders intended, buy guns.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 07:25 AM (mHQ7T)

66 All I hear from the chattering classes in DC is that it's irresponsible to extend the Bush tax cuts since "we can't afford them"

Let's see, in DC-Speak, shoveling money into the black hole of entitlements are "investments", and not taking more from productive taxpayers is a "handout"

The lefties love to trot out the myth that Clinton's corporate tax hikes in 1993 resulted in the 90s boom and the surplus. History re-writing is good work if you can get it. There was sluggish growth and a deficit until 1996, when the GOP Congress steered Clinton to the center with a revision back down of the corporate tax rate and reductions in the growth of entitlement spending. The surplus as it was recorded was the result of massive inflows on capital gains taxes from the dot-com boom. Add to that the inflow resulting from the Social Security fund forking over cash in exchange for T-Bills.




Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 07:25 AM (vdfwz)

67
Serious question: Do you anticipate any hearings at all initiated by the House Republicans?


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:26 AM (uFokq)

68 "...why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?"

You still think that was a missile?  Forgive me if I appear insulting by asking this question (I don't mean to appear this way, I'm just curious), but why do you think that? 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 04, 2010 07:27 AM (9hSKh)

69
Didn't Issa say he was going to hold Landrieau accountable 'the LA Purchase?'


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:27 AM (uFokq)

70 73 That guy made his wishes clear, ironclad, and had the money to make it stick.  And they just rolled right over him.  Bastards, every last one of them.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:27 AM (X/VwQ)

71
I don't know if it was a missile, Kratostm. But a) some people thinks so, and b) it was something.

We should know definitively what it was, or we ain't no high-tech superpower.



Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:29 AM (uFokq)

72 why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?

Jesus fuck, it wasn't a missile. How many times does this have to be explained?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 07:30 AM (oRFiV)

73

I had a dream early this morning, and this what I heard,

"666

God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."

 

From the ONT last night (or actually 6:07 am this morning)

Words to ponder and get drunk about,  plus the wider implications of "The Art of the Steal".

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch says... at December 04, 2010 07:31 AM (sJTmU)

74 49 I would go into the dream I had last night, but I'm still waiting to see if the hobo bleeds out as he should to be sure I'm awake...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© at December 04, 2010 11:06 AM (aoLEL)


How many times have I gotta say it, proper shot placement is key.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 04, 2010 07:31 AM (eCAn3)

75 A vote to invoke cloture on a measure introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D., N.Y.) — to extent the Bush tax rates on incomes up to $1 million fails, 53-37. The question remains, what will Barry not sign? Anyway, the people making good money are on their way to being hosed yet again. But if I hear anyone within arms' reach talk about the "Bush tax cuts as well as the Obama tax cuts" there will be felony and perhaps a capital crime.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 04, 2010 07:31 AM (AZGON)

76 At some point, I'm afraid any such moves -- if the greedy incompetents in DC ever had the balls to institute them -- would have to become Constitutional amendments so the next batch of suckers-on-the-public-teat couldn't undo them.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 11:20 AM (Ulu3i)

Hmmm... I just had a thought...

One of our major problems is the way Federal Courts are interpreting the Consittution, especialy the Commerce Clause, and the 10th...

Now, what would happen if the States, passed bills saying that the ONLY Fed Court with the power to over ride their State Supreme Court, could be the US Federal Supreme Court?

It seems that Constitutionaly, that would fly...

Then, on things like Gun Control, you run it through you State Courts to get the correct interpretation (like with the Sharia law thing going on now)... which would FORCE the Supremes to hear the case, and over ride the State Supreme Court...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 07:31 AM (AdK6a)

77 Serious question: Do you anticipate any hearings at all initiated by the House Republicans? Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 11:26 AM

Naaah.

Oh, they'll talk about it. Bitch McConnell will stand up and, in a quavering voice, say Something Has to be Done, and Boner will talk about the Dems' actions as more Poultry Excreta, but give them a chance to actually, you know, move things forward and they'll slink away to their guest-shots on Hannity.

D.C. = the only place in the country where crime does pay.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 07:31 AM (Ulu3i)

78 Kratos my son it was a surface to air trajectory dude.  We live in a fantastical world that pushes incredulity on a daily basis. The missle was from a nuclear sub. 

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:32 AM (LwLqV)

79 66 Mr. Dave, I looked it up and read its earliest citation in print is Chaucer's Troilus and Criseyde, 1374:

"Lat nat this wrechched wo thyn herte gnawe, But manly set the world on sexe and seuene."

It is thought to have derived in the 14th century from the game of dice. The meaning then was to carelessly risk one's entire fortune. But there are two other theories, one being yours, and one is the biblical text Job 5:19.

"He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee."

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 07:33 AM (mHQ7T)

80 last night I dreamed I was wearing UGG boots

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Ka-ching!

Posted by: New England's metrosexual quarterback who is so not gay at December 04, 2010 07:34 AM (M+lbD)

81 86 Kratos my son it was a surface to air trajectory dude.  We live in a fantastical world that pushes incredulity on a daily basis. The missle was from a nuclear sub. 

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 11:32 AM (LwLqV)

Come on.... Swamp Gas... er... weather balloons...

I mean, what are you going to believe? Your EYES? or what I tell you?

Posted by: Gen. Ramey, US Air Force at December 04, 2010 07:36 AM (AdK6a)

82 The was a Chinese missile, sent while Obungler was overseas, to remind him about debts owed and the like.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:38 AM (X/VwQ)

83 "666 God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked." Kind of reminds me of the "Jesus Loves You, Everyone Else Thinks You're an Asshole!" 80's bumper sticker.

Posted by: Barky Obama at December 04, 2010 07:38 AM (tJjm/)

84
Brad Thor thinks it was a missile and it was China's missile.

Credible people are saying it was a missile.

We can rule out weather anomaly, yes? So it was something; an object, yes?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:38 AM (uFokq)

85 Oh, off barking sock!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 07:38 AM (tJjm/)

86 why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?

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1) Because it would be a comically embarrassing waste of time to hold hearings over a commercial airliner's contrail.

2) Because the Roswell and JFK assassination conspiracy theorists would demand equal time.

3) Because the Freemasons, Illuminati and Knights Templar ordered them not to.

Posted by: schizuki at December 04, 2010 07:39 AM (M+lbD)

87
And maybe it was China who sunk South Korea's navy ship.

Why should we rule it out?


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:40 AM (uFokq)

88 why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?

They should hold hearings on why the government is covering up that we let the Chinese underbid us on the alien underwater UFO base off Catalina Island

Posted by: George Noury & Art Bell at December 04, 2010 07:40 AM (vdfwz)

89
if it was a contrail we'd be seeing these things all the time

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:41 AM (uFokq)

90 3) Because the Freemasons, Illuminati and Knights Templar ordered them not to. We'll see you at midnight under Foucault's Pendulum, little mister.

Posted by: Umberto Eco at December 04, 2010 07:41 AM (AZGON)

91 78 He left a clause that allowed the DA to tamper with the will, in case of an emergency, and the emergency was easily manufactured. The Philadelphia Enquirer ran ceaseless stories on how the building was falling into disrepair.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 07:42 AM (mHQ7T)

92

 

We are about to have a huge tax increase with rates hiked back up to the Clinton era. 

We can call them the OBAMA TAX INCREASES.

 

Should do wonders for our economy.  Unions need more of our money.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 04, 2010 07:42 AM (0fzsA)

93 86 Kratos my son it was a surface to air trajectory dude. We live in a fantastical world that pushes incredulity on a daily basis. The missle was from a nuclear sub. Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 11:32 AM (LwLqV) You know, I'm not totally sure about that... last week I was driving on a highway going north away from the seashore and saw a contrail that looked just like the one of the supposed California Coast Missile: I mean, it was almost perfectly vertical, and seemed to be coming straight from the ground. I doubt there are too many surreptitious Chinese missile launches from inland Connecticut, so I must assume it was just a contrail that originated from over the horizon my car was approaching, and I happened to be so positioned to make it appear that it was vertical.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 07:42 AM (tJjm/)

94

someone was asking about basic economic books yesterday and there were some good suggestions.

i just did a book review of chris whalen's latest and would highly recommend it. chris whalen is an economist who completely understands the banking system and is one of the sharpest minds out there. he's not entry level but speaks in a very direct and personable way and has a good sense of humor. nouriel roubini wrote the introduction to whalen's book.  the name of the book is 'inflated.'

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:43 AM (LwLqV)

95 I'm flying to Mars in the rocket I built in my basement. It's powered by potatoes.

Posted by: Phil Hendrie doing Art Bell at December 04, 2010 07:43 AM (AZGON)

96 Obama's obsession with START is easy to explain . He's a perpetual adolescent who has not grown or matured one bit since college. And back then, all the cool kids dug nuclear disarmament.

It's the '80s, baby! Pass the coke!

Posted by: schizuki at December 04, 2010 07:43 AM (M+lbD)

97 The missle was from a nuclear sub.

Riiiiigggght.  Up on the grassy knoll.

Moving on...

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 04, 2010 07:45 AM (U6LOz)

98 Because the Freemasons, Illuminati and Knights Templar ordered them not to.

Don't forget us!

Posted by: The Stonecutters at December 04, 2010 07:45 AM (vdfwz)

99 105 Whether it was a missile off the California coast, or a kid's kite, or a plane, or a sparrow reflecting the sun ... it really doesn't matter. All that matters is that the US military not lose its great diversity. We are willing to have jihadis in our uniforms... We prefer the term, "Soldiers of Islam," Thank You Very Much!

Posted by: Major Hassan, Tan, Rested, and Ready to Rumble at December 04, 2010 07:45 AM (tJjm/)

100

I doubt there are too many surreptitious Chinese missile launches from inland Connecticut

That's what they want you to think!

Posted by: Mama AJ the paranoid android at December 04, 2010 07:46 AM (XdlcF)

101 When some fag from Missile Command leaks the truth about the Chinese Missile to Julian Assange, all you naysayers will be sorry.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 07:47 AM (X/VwQ)

102 cool - the subject we are talking about is a streaming projectile on a vertical trajectory. it was a missle. or if you prefer, a projectile of intended course of specialized engineering for which constant thrust is achieved.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:48 AM (LwLqV)

103 I live too near to Dulles International Airport, and every day I see airliner contrails that look just like that video from the west coast. I mean those Airbuses can really climb right out of the local airspace. I even can spot the burn phase right at the end, so not to worry, nothing to see here. move along.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 07:48 AM (8nf3A)

104 Is it just me or is this so-called republic simply broken? We've lived for two years under a regime doing its best to shove a collectivist camel's nose under the tent, predictably pooching our economy into an inch of a Great Depression, and both 'pubbies and demotards in DC are doing a fan dance about Being Fabulous Don't Tell and registering arsenophilic bacteria as Democrats with the DREAMY Act. Meanwhile our poor economy is about to be hit by an enormous tax increase and Barry could be a hero if he would just insist current rates remain the same all over. For once, the status quo is preferable to the alternative. The fungus in DC cannot even stick to the status quo? I gotta get James Tiberius Kirk to beam me off this rock.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 04, 2010 07:49 AM (AZGON)

105 if it was a contrail we'd be seeing these things all the time

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We do. That's why there are entire websites devoted to them:

http://contrailscience.com/

Posted by: schizuki at December 04, 2010 07:50 AM (M+lbD)

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 07:50 AM (e4sSD)

107 cool - the subject we are talking about is a streaming projectile on a vertical trajectory. it was a missle. or if you prefer, a projectile of intended course of specialized engineering for which constant thrust is achieved.

Just curious--does the calliope music emanate from inside you or from an external source?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 04, 2010 07:51 AM (U6LOz)

108 Why aren't the taxes being termed the Obama Tax Increases? The intent of teh Dumbocrats is to increase the tax rates from what has been the norm for quite a few years now. (Oh wait, I know --it Booosh's fault!)

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 07:51 AM (8nf3A)

109 cool - the subject we are talking about is a streaming projectile I told her that's what it was, and it's perfectly normal once the Second Chakra releases it.

Posted by: Al Gore at December 04, 2010 07:52 AM (AZGON)

110 Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 11:42 AM

If any state has a secret Chinese missile base within its borders, CT would seem likely.

In my many years living in SoCal, I saw countless missile-launch plumes (from Vandenberg) and even more contrails. The one that's causing controversy looked like a missile launch to me, and every "explanation" of why it was a commercial aircraft/weather balloon/optical illusion strikes me as pretty convoluted.

So far as I know, no one who actually has any direct experience with missile launches has stood up and asserted that this wasn't a missile.

Oh, wait, "Poppin' Fresh," that great expert on every friggin' subject under the sun including the Mohammedan Mouthpiece's alleged "birth certificate" and, probably, Judge Crater's disappearance, dismissed it as a contrail, didn't he?

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 07:52 AM (Ulu3i)

111 Come on, if the Chinese really launched a missile off the coast, don't you think they'd come right out and say "yeh, we did it, it's not like you're going to do anything about it"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 07:52 AM (vdfwz)

112

ok, i stand down, it's an air bus - an international consortium of failed projectiles.  that's my new meme - International Contrail Created by French Consortium.

this should please even Alex Jones.

now it's settled. 

next....  

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:53 AM (LwLqV)

113 OT - Senate rejects Obama tax plan, 53-36 - AP http://on.msnbc.com/f1FpG1

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 04, 2010 07:54 AM (9hSKh)

114 @123 Now if we can just get them to reject Obama.

Posted by: Al Gore at December 04, 2010 07:55 AM (AZGON)

115
According to that website, the plane was flying  almost a 90-degree angle of attack.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 07:55 AM (uFokq)

116 @124 And if I can just remove my socks. I'm so sleepy.

Posted by: George Orwell at December 04, 2010 07:55 AM (AZGON)

117 Just curious--does the calliope music emanate from inside you or from an external source?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 04, 2010 11:51 AM (U6LOz)

< actually, it's more of a paradiddle sound.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 07:56 AM (LwLqV)

118 121 the Chinese aren't interested in YOU knowing about it, all that has to happen is for O to know about it. Wonder what Assange has in the files on this?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 07:57 AM (8nf3A)

119 And thank you, Texette!

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 08:00 AM (mHQ7T)

120
okay, 2 important things

1) Claire McCaskill makes me sick

2) Look at the sign (this should be a post, btw) behind her. Look at the word "Gets."

It should be "KEEPS" as in "Keeps Own Money."

GOP Plan: Make 100 Million? You Keep 3 Million of your own money.

But the Republicans are too stupid to point this out.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:01 AM (uFokq)

121 I haven't read all the comments but, has anyone noted that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure yet?

Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at December 04, 2010 08:02 AM (S5YRY)

122 why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 11:19 AM (uFokq)

Simple... we asked some of our operatives to ensure there would be no hearings.

Posted by: S.H.A.D.O. Control at December 04, 2010 08:02 AM (AdK6a)

123

Wish me luck. It's already 11am and I'm heading out among the crazed shoppers.

And yes, I think it's perfectly appropriate to leave this sock on.

Posted by: Mama AJ the paranoid android at December 04, 2010 08:03 AM (XdlcF)

124
The Republicans, if they were smart, which they're not, would explain that the sign in back of the fat & ugly Claire McCaskill shows that the  Democrats believe they are subsidizing the taxpayers, instead of the other way around.


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:03 AM (uFokq)

125 Wonder what Assange has in the files on this?

Why would Assange have FAA flight records for UPS flight 902 or America West flight 808?

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 08:04 AM (oRFiV)

126 The "missile" has been seen many times and in many places. Near airports for some reason. I saw one last week. Please guess near what. Heck, they saw one in the same place 24 hours later. Please look up flight schedules. They have high daily precision.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 08:07 AM (p3xb1)

127 121 Come on, if the Chinese really launched a missile off the coast, don't you think they'd come right out and say "yeh, we did it, it's not like you're going to do anything about it"

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 11:52 AM (vdfwz)

Actualy? uh... no...

What our present Govenrment does not understand is that there are always TWO international conversations going on.... One for public consumption, and one for the other Governments edification...

Just like a lot of the Wiki leaks stuff pointed out that the Saudis, publicly, are ALWAYS talking about Israel, yet privatly are more worried about Iran... yet our Gov did not pick up on that...

Chinese could very well show a capability, from their NEW Boomer, to proove somthing to our Government, without announcing it to the world (which because it would FREAK out the American population, may not be their intention).

Not saying this is what happened... but it fits RealPolitik...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 08:07 AM (AdK6a)

128 Wonder how "unexpected" next month's reports will be?

We're in uncharted territory here, and the self-appointed masters of the universe just can't admit that their fancy degrees and credentials are useless. They keep believing that the economy will magically bounce back with the guidance of central planning by "experts", and to top it off government entities plan their budgets on the prognostications of these economic shamans.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 08:10 AM (vdfwz)

129 Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 11:12 AM (mHQ7T) The Barnes case is just a drop in the bucket relating to the abuse of collections of art. Sklar, I believe, bought up most of the 1960s early pop and abstract expressionist work from the artists directly at pennies on the dollar. He sold his collection at auction for over a million and much of those works remain in a constant state of trading. We will likely never see much of that in a museum or a traveling show, and that is a travesty. It is sickening that the only chance I had to see a Robert Rauschenberg combine was at MOCA (and they were poorly presented) in Los Angeles or the Met in New York. Twenty years ago his combines could be seen in rotation in 30-40 cities across the country. Now that they are in the hands of one or two collector-owned museum batches 95% of Americans will never get the chance to see one.

Posted by: CAC at December 04, 2010 08:10 AM (Gr1V1)

130 According to that website, the plane was flying  almost a 90-degree angle of attack

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Now you're just making shit up.

I mean, Christ Jesus, the site even has a photo of Flight 808 making the same contrail the next day. Was that a second missile? Why aren't you all over that? "We're under daily attack!!!!"

I will never, ever understand the conspirazoid's stubborn refusal to accept prosaic reality. Screw it. I'm done. Believe whatever fucking nonsense you like in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary and none in your favor but "It sure looks like a missile to me!" Knock yourself out.

Posted by: schizuki at December 04, 2010 08:11 AM (M+lbD)

131 Optical illusion looks like a missile launch. Missile launch looks like a missile launch. Therefore an optical illusion is a missile launch.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 08:12 AM (p3xb1)

132 Who on Earth do liberals means when they say "we" supposedly "cannot afford tax cut?" Not the taxpayers, I'm sure. I always wonder... if people like Spielberg and Soros and GE's CEO feel we are undertaxed, why don't they volunteer to pay MORE? They can ALWAYS donate to the Treasury for their precious social causes!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2010 08:13 AM (tJjm/)

133

Good. Please STFU.

Some of you wake up in the morning and say, "You know what? I'm gonna go online and be a cocksucker, today."

It makes you feel good to call others stupid, right?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:14 AM (uFokq)

134 It makes you feel good to call others stupid, right?

No, it's actually really depressing how fucking obstinately averse to reality missile truthers are.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 08:16 AM (oRFiV)

135
If the Republicans were smart, part MCMXVI:

Under the Democrats Plan
Illegals Get: Free health care,  social security benfits, free housing, free education...

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:17 AM (uFokq)

136 Someone many years ago described DC as "forty square miles surrounded by reality."

good

Describing places one has lived, UT/Austin is forty square inbred acres surrounded by greater enabling insanity.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:17 AM (H+LJc)

137
Why so angry, Waterhose?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:18 AM (uFokq)

138 We can't rule out Dr. Evil.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 08:21 AM (p3xb1)

139 Jesus, "Missile Truthers"?  You have a fucking dismissive name for them?  Why not.  It's the fucking internet. 

Breathe deep as you enter sleep
Feel secure it's all around you...

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 08:22 AM (X/VwQ)

140 It should be "KEEPS" as in "Keeps Own Money."

GOP Plan: Make 100 Million? You Keep 3 Million of your own money.

But the Republicans are too stupid to point this out.
Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 12:01 PM

For your lefty friends who repeat the "giveaways to the rich" mantra, try this on them.

You: Hey lefty, give me a dollar
Lefty: Why?
You: Just give me the dollar
Lefty: Well, OK, here
You: Now give me two dollars
Lefty: Why?
You: I want to buy a beer for my buddy
Lefty: Why don't you buy it for him, he's your buddy
You: He doesn't have enough, and you do
Lefty: OK, here's two more dollars
You: Now, give me five dollars
Lefty: Can't you just take three dollars like you did before?
You: Sorry, I can't afford to pay you two dollars
Lefty: Hey!! Look at that stoopid Palin on Faux News!!!!11!!

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 08:22 AM (vdfwz)

141  #8 First of all, cut out the part that pays for the Navy and Air Force pretending to be the freaking Red Cross.

Yes. Don't stop there. Eliminate funding for the sex trader UN international "aid and peacekeeping" rapists whose soldiers only kill in the course of friendly fire incidents.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:24 AM (H+LJc)

142 Troofers succumb to the temptation of joining an elite group. Elite in that they are smarter, more skeptical, better at seeing the writing between the lines, rebels, certainly not sheep, possessed of a more discerning eye. Alas, their thinking is weak, their command of the facts is poor, their minds are made up no matter what, and their egos simply can not let go of a falsehood that is now precious to them.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 08:26 AM (p3xb1)

143 CBS News Correspondent: Republicans want to block tax cuts for everyone.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 08:27 AM (X/VwQ)

144
that's good, but when's the part where I poke Lefty in the eye and kick him in the balls?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:27 AM (uFokq)

145 Hey, Look! Sarah Palin made a typo!

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 08:28 AM (X/VwQ)

146 You have a fucking dismissive name for them?

For obtuse reality-averse fucking retards? Yes.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 08:28 AM (oRFiV)

147 It's the spending, stupid.

Under the Democrats Plan

Illegals Get: Free health care,  social security benfits, free housing, free education...

Nothing new there, all the more reason to eliminate funding and enforce the law. PC policy does not trump constitutional law.


Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:28 AM (H+LJc)

148 What does the "new" Korean trade treaty have that the one Bush negotiated didn't?

Posted by: PKO Strany at December 04, 2010 08:29 AM (RJOgX)

149
The Democrats are 100% right about the power of 'the message' as a way to fool the electorate

Once again, the Republicans are out-smarted and out-maneuvered in the cruel game of politics. This is why the Democrats win despite being wrong on every single issue.


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:30 AM (uFokq)

150 158 What does the "new" Korean trade treaty have that the one Bush negotiated didn't? Posted by: PKO Strany at December 04, 2010 12:29 PM

This time it's got ME

Posted by: King Barry I at December 04, 2010 08:30 AM (vdfwz)

151 No, you would like to define someone else's reality for them and call them retarded if they don't agree.   Somebody who has seen, oh, thirty years of missile launches in that area.  That's only empirical, though. Some smart motherfucker on the internet knows better.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 08:32 AM (X/VwQ)

152 I don't think anyone is going to sell this guy life insurance

Meet Wikileak's Likely First Victim
I would not want to be Lebanon's Defense Minister Elias Murr right now.

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 08:34 AM (vdfwz)

153 kbdabear They keep believing that the economy will magically...

They've doubled down the gamble that the worst won't collapse until they've stripped the economy of any value.

That was Obama's claim to fame getting him elected to Illinois Senate, the Altgeld Gardens "pinstripe fraud" -- legal crime via attorneys involved directing affairs, taking all the appropriated tax funds to rejuvenate the worst of the worst slums in Chicago (of course for the elderly) AND STRIPPING THE PROPERTY ITSELF of all valuable copper piping, wiring, etc. leaving the slum worse by far than before "helping" his corrupt system friends who made out like the pirating organized criminals that they are. 

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:35 AM (H+LJc)

154 I don't think anyone is going to sell this guy life insurance

Meet Wikileak's Likely First Victim
I would not want to be Lebanon's Defense Minister Elias Murr right now.
Posted by: kbdabear

On the bright side, we have a fresh entry on the dead pool.

Posted by: Blue Hen at December 04, 2010 08:38 AM (1O93r)

155

Remember how they used to call John Gotti the Teflon© Don?

The Bill Clinton was dubbed with Teflon.

But Obama has them both beat. Nothing sticks to Obama.

Not Bill Ayers, not Jeremiah Wright, not George Soros, bot Tony Rezko, not Blagojevich, not his birth certificate issue, not his Aunt Zetuni, not his pathetic record in the state Senate and US Senate, not the economy, not his failures in foreign policy...

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:41 AM (uFokq)

156 Russia, nuclear arms, SALT- we talked about this in school! I know this one; fly me to Russia and then get Brezhnev on the phone!

Posted by: Barry O'Douche at December 04, 2010 08:42 AM (FcR7P)

157 We have Jew-only roads here in America. For instance, Fairfax Avenue in Los Angeles ....

Posted by: Helen Thomas at December 04, 2010 08:43 AM (vdfwz)

158 149 Jesus, "Missile Truthers"?  You have a fucking dismissive name for them?  Why not.  It's the fucking internet. 

Breathe deep as you enter sleep
Feel secure it's all around you...

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 12:22 PM (X/VwQ)

LOL.... Missilers?  Names gotta follow the cutesey pattern...

Just like I was not really a Birther, I was a Dualer (wanted the Dual Citizenship vs Natural Born question answered)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 04, 2010 08:43 AM (AdK6a)

159 Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 12:16 PM

Is that you, "Poppin' Fresh?"

It's easy to dismiss questions -- and that's all they are, questions -- as "trooferism," isn't it?

Instead of getting opinions from someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about -- as Pop Mechanics did with the 9/11 "imploding WTC buildings -- it's much simpler to simply cast people who ask questions (and don't claim to know the answers, so would like to hear from those with real expertise) as fools.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 08:44 AM (Ulu3i)

160
just looking at rdbrew's mini-blog ------------------>

Do I remember Cleary & Harding? No.

I just checked them out and they remind me of Shields & Yarnell, with less talent.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:44 AM (uFokq)

161 Now that they are in the hands of one or two collector-owned museum batches 95% of Americans will never get the chance to see one.

Posted by: CAC at December 04, 2010 12:10 PM (Gr1V1)

Ironically, these collectors get massive tax breaks because their art becomes more "accessible" to the public when it is placed in a museum. Then it may be displayed as often as Haley's comet, and the public will spend $20 admission and load up on souvenirs in the gift shop. But most people don't care what the show is. They really come to look at currency. It's just another kind of money.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 08:44 AM (mHQ7T)

162 101 You know, I'm not totally sure about that... last week I was driving on a highway going north away from the seashore and saw a contrail that looked just like the one of the supposed California Coast Missile: I mean, it was almost perfectly vertical, and seemed to be coming straight from the ground.   ____________________________   I've seen the same thing in the Boston area.   Flights out of NY, Newark, Philly and Atlanta fly over us from the SW on their way to Europe, and at dusk some contrails do seem to be pointing straight up from the horizon.     If the California contrail was really from a missile I would expect someone in commercial aviation support (traffic controllers and radar operators, for example) would have blabbed by now.    Military people might kep their mouths shut, but I doubt civilians could be effectively muzzled -- especially if they could get cash for their story.   Back during the days when the ChiComs were threatening to take back Taiwan, we used to send some of our fastest fighters racing down their coastline to focus their attention (and help detect their radar stations).  Maybe they are doing the same to us.   But....Question:  have the Chinese ever launched a missile from a submarine?   I know they've got missile subs and missiles, but have they sucessfully test-fired any missiles from the subs?   Surely our look-down satellites would have picked that up.

Posted by: effinayright at December 04, 2010 08:45 AM (UIqfz)

163 Last night I had the strangest dream...

The butcher's wife in Tevia's "dream"

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:45 AM (H+LJc)

164

how many of you would have believed it 5 years ago, heck some probably don't even believe it right now, that every major financial institution would be insolvent? How many would believe AIG's stock would be trading from 60+ to almost going on the pink sheets at around a buck? how many would believe a company like bear stearns would go under after being in business for 100 years. how many would believe the government would have a 180B credit facility to AIG, how many would have believed that the fed would loan trilions to foreign banks and domestic corporations due to the freezing up of capital? how many would believe gold would be at 1,400 and silver nearly 30 an ounce.

you see, many things within the context of "normalcy" don't make sense.

let me tell you something, there never was a "normal" and now everyone's hip to the sham.

so you geniuses that think they understand the military, geo politics and technology and work within the parameters of what you know to be "normal" that's a great thing but it ain't the only thing that's going on.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 08:46 AM (LwLqV)

165 156 You have a fucking dismissive name for them?

For obtuse reality-averse fucking retards? Yes.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 12:28 PM (oRFiV)

Hmmm ... does that make you... a "Plane'r'?

Enquiring minds want to know...

Posted by: Rules of Radicals Nameing Czar at December 04, 2010 08:46 AM (AdK6a)

166 But Obama has them both beat. Nothing sticks to Obama.

I disagree since if nothing stuck to the turd, he'd still be extremely popular. And unlike Clinton, Obama's no longer popular, either home and now abroad.

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 08:48 AM (H+LJc)

167 How does that quote go?

Something like....
The last thing a collapsing government does, is steal whats left in the treasury.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 04, 2010 08:49 AM (P3N7K)

168
If I told you on September 12th, 2001 that the 44th president would be an anti-American academic nobody community-organizer with the middle name "Hussein" and with close ties to terrorist Bill Ayers, would you have believed me?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:49 AM (uFokq)

169 Somebody who has seen, oh, thirty years of missile launches in that area.  That's only empirical, though.

Even veteran rocket types confuse jet airliner contrails for missile launches. At least they admit it, unlike some clangingly obtuse fuckknobs who are presented with mountains of evidence that a jet passes over that same area every day creating the same contrail as the "missile launch", and then insist it's a sooper-sekrit rocket no one will admit to but which for some reason was done in full view of LA, yet none of the five million inhabitants there saw it, except this one news crew in a helicopter which was in such a position as to mistake an aircraft contrail for a missile launch.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 08:49 AM (oRFiV)

170 But Obama has them both beat. Nothing sticks to Obama.

Not true. While in both cases the MFM stay clearly behind both of them the public no longer believes the MFM.  The MFM shot their wad in the 2008 election.

This can be seen in Obama's dropping polls. You can take those polls because they are ran by the MFM and drop them by 10 points. if the 2012 election were held today Obama would get the hardcore yellow dog Democrats and nothing else.

Assuming the Republicans do not nominate another RINO idiot who's delight has been to stick his thumb in the base's eye, OBama would lose nearly every State in the union. He would win those States which are under the sole control of those same yellow dogs only.

All this shit has stuck to him and it is not just about the economy as the MFM wants you to believe.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 08:49 AM (e4sSD)

171 The whole missile or contrail thing started with someone asking if the new congress was going to investigate it

Anyone who knows MFM, Daily Show, and late-night treatment of Republicans knows the long line of snickers and jokes about "wingnuts investigating 767 contrails, what's next, wingnuts investigating smoke from a backyard bbq on Memorial Day"

Whatever was found out wouldn't do anything but make us the butt of Jon Stewart's jokes, and in the end, the vast majority of Americans wouldn't give a shit anyway.

That's just the way it is, leave it to the theorists to debate

Posted by: kbdabear at December 04, 2010 08:50 AM (vdfwz)

172 Vic, I sure hope you are right.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 08:51 AM (LwLqV)

173
And unlike Clinton, Obama's no longer popular, either home and now abroad.

Obama has something Clinton did not have: the full unwavering support of the Fifth Column (the Fourth Estate).


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:51 AM (uFokq)

174 Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 12:48 PM (H+LJc)

LOL, you didn't type as much so you beat me to the punch.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 08:52 AM (e4sSD)

175 97
if it was a contrail we'd be seeing these things all the time

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 11:41 AM (uFokq)


Don't you ever look up?

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 04, 2010 08:52 AM (eCAn3)

176 Instead of getting opinions from someone who knows what the fuck they're talking about

Here you go, skippy.

Posted by: Waterhouse at December 04, 2010 08:53 AM (oRFiV)

177
Don't you ever look up?

I have never seen anything like that and I live a couple of miles away from Logan.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 08:54 AM (uFokq)

178 Obama has something Clinton did not have: the full unwavering support of the Fifth Column (the Fourth Estate).

BS, Clinton had it as well. The only difference is we now have alternative media and a large portion of the public can see what liars the MFM is.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 08:54 AM (e4sSD)

179 If I told you on September 12th, 2001 that the 44th president would be an anti-American academic nobody community-organizer with the middle name "Hussein" and with close ties to terrorist Bill Ayers, would you have believed me?
Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 12:49 PM

What do you mean "academic?"

Does the Traitor-in-Chief have any claim to an advanced degree, published work (or even transcripts) demonstrating expertise in any legitimate field or a tenured faculty position at a reputable college?

Yeah, the punk is an incompetent, lazy asshole, but there's no need to smear genuine academic-types by claiming he's one of them.

I wouldn't have believed we'd elect a Muzzie-loving, race-baiting domestic terrorist, either.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 08:55 AM (Ulu3i)

180
I don't remember Clinton getting a free ride every day in the NYT and the WaPo.

But we're comparing apples to bananas. Clinton didn't have a near-depression during his terms.

The media has been covering Obama's woeful economic ass for almost tow years, e.g., funemployment. No other president had this kind of support from the press.


Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 09:00 AM (uFokq)

181 #27  Romeo13,  you are exactly right.  I have been complaining about the pundits not noticing this.  They keep saying stuff like "He needs to understand if he does this,  it won't have the effect he says."  Or they say "If he would just do this,  things would improve."

He's not doing this stuff BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT THINGS TO GET BETTER.   He is the avenger,  the one who comes to make us wander over a barren landscape,  barefoot and in rags,  fighting with dogs for scraps.

That Newsweek cover wasn't off.  He is Shiva,  the Destroyer.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 04, 2010 09:01 AM (Fo83G)

182
That Newsweek cover wasn't off.

Which one, this one?

America is Back!

Posted by: Newsweek at December 04, 2010 09:02 AM (uFokq)

183

watherhorse, you would be more convincing in suggesting it never happened.

and thanks for the most verbose b.s. website on the subject in existence. you could also probably locate a website with technical aspect ratios of the amount of illusory friction it takes to wipe your ass but i suppose that would be redundant with the bs you are serving.

Posted by: journolist at December 04, 2010 09:06 AM (LwLqV)

184

Last night I had the strangest dream...
surviving the rat race...

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 09:08 AM (H+LJc)

185 Anyone see that Hillary says that SOS is going to be her last public position evah?

Wonder what that means?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 04, 2010 09:10 AM (P3N7K)

186 If I told you on September 12th, 2001 that the 44th president would be an anti-American academic nobody community-organizer with the middle name "Hussein" and with close ties to terrorist Bill Ayers, would you have believed me?

You would have been either beaten up as a terrorist sympathizer or locked up as totally mad.

Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 04, 2010 09:11 AM (fa9yq)

187 If this was Ace ,I would think he is just playing with himself.

Posted by: Gasman at December 04, 2010 09:12 AM (hrgRo)

188 BTW, I have rats for the race!  All sizes....mama just had a new litter (snakes gonna eat good this quarter).

Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 04, 2010 09:12 AM (fa9yq)

189
Hillary (and SP) are becoming the Brett Favres of politics.

Posted by: Newsweek at December 04, 2010 09:12 AM (uFokq)

190 He is Shiva,  the Destroyer.

appropriate multicultural identity

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 09:13 AM (H+LJc)

191
I mean that I'm sick of getting teased by the whores in the media.

Posted by: Newsweek at December 04, 2010 09:15 AM (uFokq)

192  If I told you on September 12th, 2001 that the 44th president would be an anti-American academic nobody community-organizer with the middle name "Hussein" and with close ties to terrorist Bill Ayers, would you have believed me?

I swore up until 11/4/08 that it would never happen. Never underestimate the stupidity of the America voter.

Posted by: USS Diversity at December 04, 2010 09:15 AM (RWtqz)

193 200 Anyone see that Hillary says that SOS is going to be her last public position evah?

Wonder what that means?

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 04, 2010 01:10 PM (P3N7K)

It means as much as her saying she won't run for president when she was running for her second term as senator.

Posted by: buzzion at December 04, 2010 09:16 AM (oVQFe)

194 I don't remember Clinton getting a free ride every day in the NYT and the WaPo.

I do, as well as every TV news show. They repeated the Dem talking points endlessly.

They still repeat the big lie that it was the Republicans and Newt who "shutdown the government" even after the memo was leaked that showed Clinton and the Dems had it all planned out BEFORE the budget had even been written.

They still repeat the big lie that it was Clinton "veering to the center" that got welfare reformed. Even after the record shows clearly he vetoed it twice before being forced to sign it the third time.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 09:18 AM (e4sSD)

195

It means as much as her saying she won't run for president when she was running for her second term as senator.

Posted by: buzzion

I don't know.  I see it as a pretty heavy handed slap at O'bumbles.

From a managers perspective, if you had an employee saying that their job was the worstest in the world, I'm pretty sure I would find some way to let them go.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 04, 2010 09:20 AM (P3N7K)

196
And if I told you on September 12, 2001 that a group of radical Muslims living here in America would build a giant mosque at Ground Zero and name it after Cordoba...

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 04, 2010 09:21 AM (uFokq)

197 From a managers perspective, if you had an employee saying that their job was the worstest in the world, I'm pretty sure I would find some way to let them go.

Hillary was insane to take that job. I said it then that she should turn it down. As soon as she took it she was marginalized. But it just shows how really stupid she is.

OBumble's controllers played her like a third rate Hohner.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 09:23 AM (e4sSD)

198 Ditto at 192 McScribblers nailed. Coolness, that pic was hateful.

Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2010 09:23 AM (FzVlt)

199 Of course, that was a big joke because Clinton never introduced any legislation that got passed.

It didn't matter, subsequent RINOs in congress have completely undone everything they did. Recall that link to the Detroit welfare queen who was pulling down 80K a year off of the various "assistance" schemes.

Also recall the link to the tables that showed a welfare mom who actually worked for minimum wage pulled in more disposable income that some one making 60K a year.

It is time for "Ending Welfare As We Know It Pt II".

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 09:26 AM (e4sSD)

200
I remember the media rallying around Clinton after it was shown he lied about Monica.

There was one 'journalist-ette,' I forgot who, who said she wished she could've had sex with Clinton, or something like that. Rush mentions it from time to time.

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 04, 2010 09:26 AM (uFokq)

201
Morons:

Who has more egg on their face from WikiLeaks -- Obama or Hillary?

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 04, 2010 09:31 AM (7+pP9)

202

Phone: (202) 224-4521
Call Kyl and make sure he does not give consent on START. Give him an earful.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 04, 2010 09:34 AM (c5RQr)

203 Who has more egg on their face from WikiLeaks -- Obama or Hillary?

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 04, 2010 01:31 PM (7+pP9)



Wikileaks:  Meh... fuck you.

O'bumbles: Who me?  I was just playing some b-ball.

Hillary:  Oh, what the fuck was I thinking.  Get me the fuck outa here.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at December 04, 2010 09:35 AM (P3N7K)

204 The UN spying alone would have had the MSM screaming for Bush to resign or be impeached if it had happened on his watch.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 09:40 AM (X/VwQ)

205 ...shit, all this time I thought Shiva was a female image with the streaming hair while dancing. Hm, at least I'm not far off others' take on Shiva as Ardhanarishvara : sexual duality in one personage.

Well, Newsweek's cover managed to hide Obama's failure to assess the simplest matter correctly to maintain balanced governance. Obama couldn't dance Gollywogg's Cakewalk to either entertain, or to save a soul or simply a buck that stopped at his desk. True to MSM form, Newsweek monumentalizes this fraud into all the fabricated PC grandeur, from Obama stepping on everyone's food during the Cakewalk because it's beneath his EO dignity to be a responsible chief executive, into managing the universe as "The Lord who dances on the dais".

Posted by: maverick muse at December 04, 2010 09:40 AM (H+LJc)

206 189
Don't you ever look up?

I have never seen anything like that and I live a couple of miles away from Logan.

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 12:54 PM (uFokq)


I see it all the time, eastbound planes in the evening.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 04, 2010 09:49 AM (eCAn3)

207 222 ...shit, all this time I thought Shiva was a female image with the streaming hair while dancing. Hm, at least I'm not far off others' take on Shiva as Ardhanarishvara : sexual duality in one personage.

I believe that's Kali (Kalima). 

Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 04, 2010 09:55 AM (fa9yq)

208 And I'm cranky and headachy now, so no one gimme ANY crap today about picking on some bimbo cheerleader's looks. Just DON'T. I'm cranky and require tender loving care. And if you haven't ever given me some care, what entitles you to give me BS?

Anything else I can bitch about?? I'll keep you posted.

*shifts over to let CoolCzech lay his achy head on her lap.  Smooths hair. Gives a very chaste kiss to his temple. Starts a little nape of the neck massage...*

"Damn, dude!  What the hell is your skull made of?  Gold? Lead?  WTF!  I'd just as soon have a pile of bowling balls cutting off my circulation.  Get off of me!"

Cool as you are, you just ain't worth Gangrene.

Posted by: Deety soothes a cranky Czech at December 04, 2010 09:56 AM (Jb3+B)

209 #225  *shifts over to let CoolCzech lay his achy head on her lap.  Smooths hair. Gives a very chaste kiss to his temple. Starts a little nape of the neck massage...*

CC, I wouldn't trust any woman that is willing to let you lay your head on her lap.  It's a trap!

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 04, 2010 10:03 AM (9hSKh)

210 OBumble's controllers played her like a third rate Hohner.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 01:23 PM (e4sSD)

That's because she will take any kind of power that is offered to her. Like her husband, the easier the better. There are feminists who said she effectively kissed the White House goodbye when she married him. He was certainly a catch, but he was all about himself. Turns out they were made for each other.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 04, 2010 10:10 AM (mHQ7T)

211 "Just asking questions." Classic Troofer remark. Truly sad.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 10:13 AM (p3xb1)

212
Give it a rest.

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 04, 2010 10:18 AM (uFokq)

213 Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 02:13 PM

Ooooh, thanks for puttin' us some knowledge!

We're not supposed to ask questions, I guess. Just bow to the incredible expertise that is you.

Well, fuck that. Osama Obama and his co-conspirators got away with that for a long time, but it won't work much longer. The people who say "STFU, because, well, just because" are the most ignorant, and not worth listening to.

Posted by: MrScribbler© at December 04, 2010 10:19 AM (Ulu3i)

214
I sense some internet *sighs* coming.


Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 04, 2010 10:20 AM (uFokq)

215 That's because she will take any kind of power that is offered to her. Like her husband, the easier the better.

She had more power as a NY Senator and she couldn't recognize that by pulling her into his WH she was de-nutted. He was not her husband so she wasn't going to be able to control him like she did Bill.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:25 AM (e4sSD)

216 Off four-wheeling in the shadow of Edwards AFB.  Don't worry, I promise not to see anything.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 04, 2010 10:25 AM (X/VwQ)

217 229,230, Yes, quite sad.

Posted by: eman at December 04, 2010 10:26 AM (p3xb1)

218 More BS from Fox.

Senate Republicans Reject Obama's Plan to Extend Tax Cuts for Middle Class Only

Vote was 53 to 36 so some Dems voted against it as well. Why is it that one Republican can cross the aisle and it is bipartisan but several Dems do it and it is not. 

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:30 AM (e4sSD)

219
Who were the 11 who didn't vote?

Posted by: Senator Soothsayer (R-AoS) at December 04, 2010 10:36 AM (uFokq)

220 Why does Ron Paul like little boys? Why did Ron Paul destroy the world trade center? Just asking questions.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at December 04, 2010 10:37 AM (SJ6/3)

221 11 voted present.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at December 04, 2010 10:38 AM (SJ6/3)

222 235 More BS from Fox.

Senate Republicans Reject Obama's Plan to Extend Tax Cuts for Middle Class Only

Vote was 53 to 36 so some Dems voted against it as well. Why is it that one Republican can cross the aisle and it is bipartisan but several Dems do it and it is not. 

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 02:30 PM (e4sSD)

Well that's always the standard view.  There were quite a few occasions of Pelosi bitching about how Republicans weren't willing to be bipartisan about some legislation that wasn't getting passed.  Basically ignoring that she shouldn't need any Republicans to pass any legislation if the Democrats were all on board with it.

Posted by: buzzion at December 04, 2010 10:40 AM (oVQFe)

223 They didn't say and it probably included some Repubs too.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:41 AM (e4sSD)

224 Well that's always the standard view.

Yeah I know. I just keep wondering how Fox ever got to be called "conservative" or even their own "fair and balanced"

They are not either. They just aren't as full blown communist as the others and they only keep Obama's tool in their mouth until it gets soft as opposed to a full bore BJ.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:43 AM (e4sSD)

225 Who has more egg on their face from WikiLeaks -- Obama or Hillary?

I vote Hillary. He knew in July that worse could come, and it was all about our doings abroad. He knew it was coming to her, but he did nothing. Now she's hung out to dry, stammering out apologies. If she had those much-vaunted balls, she would dump the whole thing in his lap and resign -- in protest, not disgrace.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 04, 2010 10:44 AM (2Jcl/)

226 BTW, for this vote, a vote of present was the same as NO.

Posted by: Vic at December 04, 2010 10:45 AM (e4sSD)

227 It makes you feel good to call others stupid, right?

Posted by: Soothsayer for RNC Chair at December 04, 2010 12:14 PM (uFokq)


Nah, just when I point it out.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd. at December 04, 2010 10:46 AM (eCAn3)

228 Let's see to it that with each passing Christmas, Obama becomes more regretful that he ever converted to this damn religion where he's perversely forced to celebrate every December 25.

Posted by: arhooley, conflicted Californian at December 04, 2010 10:52 AM (2Jcl/)

229 How the hell do you get hobo blood off a pair of Gucci loafers? I picked a bad week to give up Klonopin.

Posted by: clambo at December 04, 2010 11:24 AM (s7I0E)

230

We MUST pass the START treaty so we can see what's in it.

Posted by: Pelosi Reed at December 04, 2010 01:34 PM (EhYdw)

231 "68 "...why aren't the Republicans planning to hold hearings to get to the bottom of what appeared to be a missile of the coast of California?" Because no one can do a farking thing about it." What missile? That was no missile. That was an airliner. Going straight up. From the surface of the sea.

Posted by: Top men. Top. Men. at December 04, 2010 01:35 PM (LFAxM)

232

248     That was an airliner.

Going straight up.

From the surface of the sea.

****

You need to click on this link, skippy.

(hat tip to Waterhouse at 18

Posted by: effinayright at December 04, 2010 01:43 PM (UIqfz)

233 IÂ’ve been thinking that we need to add a vote to income tax forms, with those major areas of public spending, and each taxpayer gets to vote on what percentage of taxes go to each major area. And when all the votes get added together, itÂ’s weighted by how much taxes they paid.

Posted by: Jerry at December 04, 2010 02:21 PM (7Ahkq)

234 250 How about everybody gets from one to ten votes where the number of votes you get increases as your income tax bracket increases? Thus the 40% that get only largesse and don't contribute to the taxes get one vote (and thus are NOT disenfranchised). The filthy rich that are in the 36+ zone get ten votes, etc. Hmmm.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 04, 2010 02:32 PM (8nf3A)

235 As long as even people with one vote get to specify percentages (otherwise, their one vote will likely all go to one thing, and it will be good to encourage people to seriously consider what the apportionment should be). But yeah, getting a “free vote” for going to the trouble of filling out a tax form is a good idea.

Posted by: Jerry at December 04, 2010 02:52 PM (7Ahkq)

236 IÂ’ve been thinking that we need to add a vote to income tax forms, with those major areas of public spending,

For many years, I have thought the best way to do things would be to attach another page to the 1040, allowing each taxpayer to apportion his/her taxes to various programs.  Hey, it's my money and why the hell shouldn't I say what they spend it on?  That would be real democracy in action and, win-win, the people who don't pay any taxes would not have a say.

Posted by: Peaches at December 04, 2010 03:07 PM (zxpIo)

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