March 19, 2010
— DrewM First immigration, then Cap and Tax and now this. I guess with McCain in "Pretend to be a Real Conservative Mode" all the heavy lifting of selling out Republicans is falling to Graham.
Sadly, he seems more than up to the task.
The deal would put the alleged mastermind of the attacks of September 2001, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, his fellow plotters and other top terror suspects before revamped military commissions, rather than in civilian trials as the Obama administration had sought. These courts would offer defendants more rights than they had under the Bush administration, but fewer than they would be afforded in civilian court.The effort, led by White House counsel Robert Bauer and White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, further sidelines Attorney General Eric Holder, who at a hearing Tuesday continued to argue that the planners of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and other terrorists should be given civilian federal trials.
Any such deal would represent the final repudiation of Mr. Holder's November decision to bring the 9/11 plotters to civilian trial in New York City, and a switch for the White House, which suspended the Bush-era military commissions as one of its first acts in office. The White House and the Justice Department appear to be at loggerheads on the matter, and Justice Department officials say they are not a party to the negotiations
The framework of the deal is being led in Congress by Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Mr. Graham wants civilian courts to be reserved for low-level Al Qaeda operatives and terrorist financiers, a far smaller group than previously considered.
Forty-eight Guantanamo prisoners—men who cannot be convicted in court but deemed too dangerous for release—would face indefinite detention without trial. Democrats are willing to expand the number of detainees brought before military commissions, but want more discretion than in Mr. Graham's proposal.
This is among the most idiotic 'deals' in history. Memo to Lindsey...KSM and the others aren't going to be tried in civilian court no matter what. It's far to unpopular among, well just about everyone. The reason the White House took this away from Holder is precisely because his plans were politically untenable. They were going to have to back off it anyway.
As for this the idea that you can hold people on US soil indefinitely without trial is, let me think of a technical term here. Ah yes...bat shit crazy. One of the reasons Gitmo was created was that under existing law and Supreme Court precedent (Eisentrager) people held outside the territory of the United States during the course of a war were not able to challenge their detention in US Courts. Boumediene changed that and opened the courthouse door (though it didn't say exactly how wide) to Gitmo detainees.
Does anyone really think, given the arc of modern jurisprudence on detainee issues, that courts are going to allow a two tier system of justice for people held on US soil? Okay, anyone not named Lindsey Graham that is.
I wouldn't be surprised that that's what the White House is banking on. They can say, "KSM will be tried in a military commission on the US mainland" but then the courts will say, "No, they are held in the US so they get all the rights anyone else does".
Add to that the cost and security issues involved and you see just what a great 'deal' this is.
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I was first ?? Wow !! This is almost as good as getting my name in the pphone book !
Posted by: Wm Murderface at March 19, 2010 07:54 AM (pZEar)
Posted by: Grunt2Jag at March 19, 2010 07:55 AM (Yr6lx)
It's going to be a long, miserable weekend. However, watch the protests in DC. Between the Marxist "anti-war" protesters, the pro-amnesty crowd, and the Tea Partiers, things could get interesting. And not in a good way.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 07:57 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: arhooley at March 19, 2010 07:59 AM (LGC1a)
I have to wait until 5pm Pacific. I am so glad I started drinking again last week.
Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 07:59 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: AmishDude at March 19, 2010 08:01 AM (Vo2Ef)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 19, 2010 08:03 AM (erIg9)
One good thing - Graham's shenanigans will get McCain permanently booted in Arizona as people wake up and see what's in store once McCain stops lying to the Republican primary voters. Even Palin won't be able to help him. Folks are pissed.
Hayworth is moving up with a bullet. I don't give a shot abiout the General, if it means that McCain and his Amnesty bullshit will come back with a vengence. It's tear up the party again, like it did when W stupidly pushed it onto us (hand in hand with McCain) and set the stage for the mess we have today.
The Republican Party will not be able to heal itself nationally and through 2012 until McCain gets permanently kicked out of power. He is that toxic.
Posted by: TexasJew at March 19, 2010 08:04 AM (wMXOq)
I wish I was 87 instead of 27. At least at 87 I would only have a few more years to live in this statist utopia.
Does anyone believe the GOP can sustain a filibuster against Amnesty? I DON'T.
Posted by: Dan at March 19, 2010 08:04 AM (1jzSs)
Linday is the kind of politician we need to lead Republicanism into the next phase of Republicaness.
Posted by: MEgs at March 19, 2010 08:05 AM (pr+up)
"Hey Grunt,
Just apply the Slaughter Solution and deem it to be 9 hours later...Cheers!"
Ha! I wish I could. Unfortunately Funemployement wont pay the bills...damnit.
Posted by: Grunt2Jag at March 19, 2010 08:05 AM (Yr6lx)
Sounds like Lindsay wants to be rebuffed by Rahm. IYKWIM
Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2010 08:06 AM (GwPRU)
The president gets to say, "See, I'm a brilliant centrist." With a huge assist from Grahamnesty. Meanwhile, as Drew points out, the libs won't let this go and any incremental movement left just gets them closer to their goal. Memo to LG, they won't let this die just because you cut some "deal" that puts this to rest. It will only be forgotten about by you.
LG will be voted out in 2014. Unfortunately, he'll team with B to the O to do sex to us many times before then.
Posted by: The Hammer at March 19, 2010 08:06 AM (YBTwf)
Posted by: Sparky at March 19, 2010 08:08 AM (r0u40)
Posted by: Mjim at March 19, 2010 08:08 AM (V8B//)
Posted by: Grunt2Jag at March 19, 2010 08:08 AM (Yr6lx)
Posted by: obamastillsucks at March 19, 2010 08:08 AM (1l2bp)
Do you really think you have any influence on the Republican Party?
Republicans are acting in concert with Democrats to eviscerate the United States of America - and Lindsay Graham is the proof of that.
Do you think given the circumstances, Drew, that anyone who loves America should donate one fucking dime to the Republican Party when, with the active support of the party, Lindsey Graham is a member in good standing?
The Republican Party has been infiltrated by closeted Democrats.
Lindsay Graham is not a Republican.
Posted by: someguy at March 19, 2010 08:08 AM (VRJIW)
He keeps getting elected because the Republican Party wants him in office. They give him millions of dollars to run his campaigns.
He is doing precisely what the Republican Party wants him to do, or else Michael Steele would be on YouTube denouncing Lindsey Graham and his plan.
Is he?
No.
Posted by: someguy at March 19, 2010 08:10 AM (VRJIW)
Posted by: SlaveDog at March 19, 2010 08:11 AM (H6Jyg)
Translation: These scumbags will have more rights in this country than I will ever have.
Posted by: mpfs at March 19, 2010 08:13 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 08:13 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 19, 2010 12:05 PM (ympF
I'm OUTRAGED!!! I'm a MAN, my name is Dana.
What about Dana Roherbacher, he's stand-up guy.
Dana Elcar?
Dana Carvey?
Eh...I suppose it could have been worse...I could have been a boy named Sue.
Posted by: dananjcon at March 19, 2010 08:13 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: ed at March 19, 2010 08:14 AM (Urhve)
Posted by: joncelli at March 19, 2010 08:17 AM (RD7QR)
Yes that is correct. Since McCain is up for reelection this year it's up to his best buddy Graham to assume the mantle of lead RINO. Graham makes me furious, I know he's sometimes on the right side on issues like healthcare and security. but this ammnesty stuff is POISON and would hand over a huge victory to Obama and the democrats and sink us. It total bullshit, He is a traitor.
Lindsey Graham can kiss my ass! I can't wait to support whoever runs against you, be it a Republican or Democrat.
Posted by: exceller at March 19, 2010 08:18 AM (jx2Td)
Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 08:18 AM (Z+qzA)
We're at a point in our nation's history where we have a president whose only job in life was a brief stint as a Constitutional law professor has told the American people that he does not care about the process of passing laws in Congress, he only cares about signing the bills.
What the fucking fuck, over?
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 19, 2010 08:18 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: Entropy at March 19, 2010 08:20 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: logprof at March 19, 2010 08:20 AM (Mmw0q)
Posted by: CALL AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN at March 19, 2010 08:20 AM (PI/0J)
Why not take this out on McCain? That's a great idea. We know they're blood brothers. If McCain doesn't distance himself from this then we can all assume he is just sitting on his hands because its and election year, but we all know if it weren't he'd be there extending his friendly hand across the aisle.
We need to get rid of all these dinosaurs.
Posted by: exceller at March 19, 2010 08:20 AM (jx2Td)
Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2010 08:21 AM (0t7L8)
Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 12:13 PM (Z+qzA)
You got me. And sadly, one of the many tragedies of ObamaCare is that it will end research into the promised bioweapon that can distinguish between Graham and DeMint primary voters.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 19, 2010 08:21 AM (lk70u)
I know he's sometimes on the right side on issues like healthcare and security. but this ammnesty stuff is POISON and would ... sink us.
Slow poison or fast poison.
Life is not on the ballot.
Posted by: Entropy at March 19, 2010 08:22 AM (IsLT6)
And you might get one of those shiny new shotguns the IRS just bought.
Posted by: MarkC at March 19, 2010 08:23 AM (yPPVC)
WTF happened to South Carolina that they'd tolerate this little pussybitch? I thought SC was about as red a state as it gets.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2010 08:24 AM (rf03a)
You ever notice EVERY time the Republicans start gaining traction and momentum in public favor there's ALWAYS some Republican who comes along and fucks it up?
I'm starting to think we have mini-Manchurians in the Republican party who have been programmed to sabotage the GOP.
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 19, 2010 08:25 AM (z37MR)
when is Graham up for re-election?
i will support, with my money, any conservative who opposes him.
Linsdey Graham is the DEVIL!
Posted by: shoey at March 19, 2010 08:25 AM (Ed9Xn)
Graham's yet another RINO who'll be swept out of office soon.
If we can survive the progressive destruction of our country, that is.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at March 19, 2010 08:25 AM (i3AsK)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 19, 2010 08:26 AM (erIg9)
In September '08, the Republicans made huge strides in public favor with the Drill Here/Drill Now movement,
THEN a bunch of cocksucking 'moderate' Republicans came along and put ki-bosh on it.
Remember that? McCain desperately needed that momentum and it came right on the heels of Obama suggesting we inflate our tires as the centerpiece of his energy policy.
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 19, 2010 08:29 AM (z37MR)
Posted by: pat at March 19, 2010 08:30 AM (/VyB7)
And can someone please tell me why Michael Steele, that big fucking loser, is still the chairman of the RNC?
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 19, 2010 08:30 AM (z37MR)
Thoughts?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 08:31 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: joncelli at March 19, 2010 08:32 AM (RD7QR)
I will not visit Myrtle beach unitl Lindsay cock-knocker is out of office. If this Rino shit continues , I'll be relegated to playing putt-putts til 2030!!
Posted by: dananjcon at March 19, 2010 08:33 AM (pr+up)
We're at a point in our nation's history where we have a president whose only job in life was a brief stint as a Constitutional law professor has told the American people that he does not care about the process of passing laws in Congress, he only cares about signing the bills.
He was a lecturer, not a professor.
Also, this bill includes tax ["revenue"] increases which originated in the Senate, contrary to the requirement that all tax increases must originate in the House:
Posted by: Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. at March 19, 2010 08:34 AM (kyg+f)
Hey, morons. I just had a "brilliant" idea. Maybe AoSHQ can get a deal on Gitmo. With a little "re-decorating" it would make a nice compound for us, when we escape the Socialist States of America. Nice climate, fishing, scuba diving, plus, didn't we just upgrade the place and add a bunch of flat screen TV's?
Thoughts?
I notice a disturbing lack of booze and prostitutes in your proposal.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2010 08:34 AM (rf03a)
Jane,
I loved Gitmo, spent 5 months there back in '94-'95 as a wire walker for Haitian and Cuban refugees. It was gorgeous and had all you listed and more. I'd be up for that.
Posted by: Grunt2Jag at March 19, 2010 08:34 AM (Yr6lx)
Thoughts?
Kinda hot and sticky for my taste, but then no heating bills (or snow). I'm in, but I get dibs on a hammock near the door.
Posted by: joncelli at March 19, 2010 12:32 PM (RD7QR)
Will there be pudding...and beer?
Posted by: dananjcon at March 19, 2010 08:34 AM (pr+up)
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 08:35 AM (593B8)
Lindsay Graham.. this asshat might as well wander around with a name tag on that says underneath his name "Democratic Party Stooge". What an idiot.
I can only hope that he, McCain and the rest of the Democrats posing as Republicans will get their asses outted in their next re-election cycle. The republican's need to understand that this "Were Democrat Lite" strategy just isn't going to fly anymore.
What worries me is that while I have seen some signs of life from the republican side of the aisle the party itself seems conspiciously absent. I haven't seen or heard a peep out of Steele in quite a while, for example.
On the upside the vote count is still up in the air, so I for one intend to keep calling, faxing, emailing and harrasing not only the maybe's on the list but the recent sell outs as well.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 19, 2010 08:35 AM (e8T35)
The fiscal floodgates are opening for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the presidentÂ’s former employer and legal client, despite a congressional ban on funding the activist group that has long been a practitioner of election fraud.
In a March 16 memo Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director Peter Orszag quietly ordered federal agencies to resume funding the group whose employees were caught on hidden camera videos last year condoning a variety of crimes including child prostitution and tax evasion
@Breitbart big gvt site.
Posted by: willow at March 19, 2010 08:37 AM (7FgWm)
Posted by: Bender B. Rodriguez at March 19, 2010 08:38 AM (/bVuS)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 19, 2010 08:39 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Louis Tully at March 19, 2010 08:40 AM (jat5l)
I notice a disturbing lack of booze and prostitutes in your proposal.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2010 12:34 PM (rf03a)
The economy would be as a trans-shipment point for booze, blow and hookers. That is a given.
Posted by: Rat Patrol at March 19, 2010 08:42 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: kraut hammer at March 19, 2010 08:44 AM (jat5l)
Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 08:49 AM (mhD2v)
46-WTF happened to South Carolina that they'd tolerate this little pussybitch? I thought SC was about as red a state as it gets
I guess that means we are not, as previously thought, the squishiest Republicans in the Union.
Posted by: pathetic Republicans of Pennsylvania at March 19, 2010 08:49 AM (jat5l)
Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 08:51 AM (mhD2v)
Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 12:49 PM (mhD2v)
Gitmo has lost its utility. Just hand them to friendly afghans with chainsaws. Easy peasy. But carry on with your smug 'tude.
Posted by: Rat Patrol at March 19, 2010 08:52 AM (dQdrY)
Posted by: Andy Rand at March 19, 2010 12:49 PM (mhD2v)
He also wants to shift the west bank from European command separating it from Israel, putting it into Central command.
He can go fuck himself!
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 08:52 AM (593B8)
Posted by: Fritz at March 19, 2010 08:53 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: dan in michigan at March 19, 2010 08:55 AM (9jRMu)
That's not true, he was misquoted and the lefty press ran with it.
Posted by: Mal at March 19, 2010 08:59 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Scrapiron at March 19, 2010 09:00 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: rplat at March 19, 2010 09:06 AM (G1ArL)
No, it is true. The misquote was that he presented it to Mullen at the Pentagon not to Obama at the Whitehouse.
Here
and
Here as well.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 09:07 AM (593B8)
Gee, you think that's an accident? Really? Just coincidence, huh?
Look, the Republican Party has been infiltrated by Democrats.
That's why you can't give money to the Republican Party until such time as it expels the Democrat members such as Lindsay Graham and others who wish to "reach across the aisle" and help Democrats enact their legislation.
Those members need to be spat upon and expelled from the Party.
If you must donate, send your check to the Tea Party and a copy to the Republican Party letting them know that you'll resume your donations to the Republican Party once it expels the Democrats that have infested it.
Posted by: someguy at March 19, 2010 09:09 AM (VRJIW)
He is a self-described Rockefeller Republican (AKA Rino) and I think he is another Colin Powell who just hasn't come out yet.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 09:09 AM (593B8)
Posted by: azjon at March 19, 2010 09:13 AM (n7oXH)
This basically proves what my third-party Wyoming-living Ron Paul-voting loony friends say.
All politics is a stage show between two wings of the same party, the American Ruling Class Party.
If the East Coast establishment Republicans weren't in bed with their Democrat buddies, Graham and McCain would have been kicked out of the party a long time ago and we wouldn't have Michael Steele's leadership. He has been worse than no chairman at all.
Fuck, maybe it IS all a conspiracy and the Yale and Harvard kids really do rule everything.
Posted by: SGT Dan at March 19, 2010 09:16 AM (GgXZc)
What's the difference between "Bush-era military commissions" and previous commissions?
HOPENCHANGE
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 19, 2010 09:30 AM (rf03a)
Your source claims...
Actually, that’s not what Petraeus said. Rather, it’s pulled from the 56-page Central Command “Posture Statement” filed by his staff with the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Ummm... the claim that it was filed by his staff and doesn't reflect his views is kinda silly!
The title of the PDF is...
STATEMENT OF GENERAL DAVID H. PETRAEUS, U.S. ARMY
COMMANDER U.S. CENTRAL COMMAND
BEFORE THE SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE ON
THE POSTURE OF U.S. CENTRAL COMMAND
16 MAR 2010
So I am gonna go with the wild and crazy idea that it was a STATEMENT of GENERAL DAVID H. PETRAEUS. I cannot go so far as to say that he personally typed up the report, but that's kind of beside the point.
So this guy Boot is claiming that because Petraeus didn't read it out loud somehow Petraeus' statement isn't actually his statement?
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 09:38 AM (593B8)
Posted by: sexypig at March 19, 2010 09:38 AM (0t7L8)
Also, this bill includes tax ["revenue"] increases which originated in the Senate, contrary to the requirement that all tax increases must originate in the House:
I know folks like Mark Levine are planning lawsuits if this thing passes, I think perhaps our best chance though will be from the State of Virginia.
Granted you can't really rely on SCOTUS for much that resembles common sense half the time, but just from a layman's view this appears to be pretty much a slam-dunk.
I think the thing that pisses me off the most is this line of bullshit their trying to use that this is "business as usual" and that this has all "been done before by the republicans."
Bullshit. The republican's may have used the reconciliation process a few times, but never on anything like this, and certainly they have never used this deem and pass bullshit, yet that's the response you get from every Dem who can get within range of a microphone whenever anyone asks them about deem and pass.
I just hope there are 288 job openings in November, all of them in the House of Representatives.
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at March 19, 2010 09:46 AM (e8T35)
Posted by: DocJ at March 19, 2010 10:06 AM (dt6br)
#89, Petraeus doesn't have a political philosophy except a tendency toward autocracy. That's why I never take the presidential rumors seriously. His wife Holly was quoted in "Tell Me How This Ends" as "If he did run, he'd be doing it with his second wife".
Going back to Princeton as a college professor in International Relations, yes. SecState, maybe. Political office I seriously doubt.
Posted by: SGT Dan at March 19, 2010 11:31 AM (GgXZc)
Yeah, I think it's the blank slate candidate thing. Like Colin Powell he looks good as long as you don't know anything about him. I doubt he will run either.
Posted by: sharrukin at March 19, 2010 11:35 AM (593B8)
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Posted by: Wm Murderface at March 19, 2010 07:54 AM (pZEar)