1 hmmmmmmm

2 I think Obama belongs to the Church of Obama.

3 He was raised, registered and educated as a Muslim during his childhood in Indonesia. I am looking for any evidence that he is a Christian, aside from sitting through Rev. Wright's hate-fest for 20 years.

4 Again, with the caveat it's impossible to know what is in the heart of another, I think Obama's religion is the state.

Some combination of this and "l'etat, c'est moi".

5 Fox was spinning this today as well. The anchor kept say "the mistaken belief" that he is a Muslim.

Everything he has done since he has become known nationally leads people to believe he is a Muslim.

How do we know he is NOT?  

6 Your Christian faith! Your Christian faith! Cut! Fuck it. WE'LL DO IT LIVE!!!

7 You will always know the root by the fruit.

8 The interesting part is that almost half don't know what the hell he is, and the number is going up.  I guess people are noticing that they have never gotten the whole story from the media, and that Obama lies and changes his tune all the time.

Personally, I suspect he's an atheist or maybe a deist who worships himself, but I really don't know because he's a big phony.

9

The bigger question is; why didnÂ’t the MSM go all out to correct misinformation about President Bush and VP Cheney?? For 8 long years they reported and talked about every conspiracy as if it could be true. 

Instead they touted it, agitated for it, and even gave publicity to Michael MooreÂ’s conspiracy movie by ATTENDING the premere!

10 Marxists/fascists/statists/totalitarians pretty much worship the State anyway, so the question of religious preference is meaningless.

11

 

"He's an asshole - but even assholes have dreams." - Sam Lowry in BRAZIL

"Mine certainly does." - "Bob"

12 His middle name is Hussein. C'mon.

13 As for Jeremiah Wright's church attendance at that is not behaving as a "Christian".

14 I think we could have stopped this thread @2, MaureenTheTemp. Nice work.

15 What if Obama thinks he's a Muslim, too?

http://tinyurl.com/2wd6rnt

16 Barack Obama views Muslims the way Jane Goodall viewed chimps -- with an adoring condescension and noblesse oblige.

He certainly identifies with Islam, even if he can't be bothered with praying 5 times a day.

But let's face it, Muslims consider Obama a Muslim.  His grandfather was Muslim, his father was Muslim by birth and he is Muslim by birth and never formally renounced Islam.  Moreover, he went to a Muslim school as a young child.  He's more Muslim than many Tehranians.

17 "The most beautiful sound in the world is the call to prayer at sunset". Bowing to the Saudi King, supporting the hamasque, not celebrating birthdays (unless it is his own, then he does it for a week) or Christmas... Gee, I wonder why people would think Imam Obama is a closet muslim.

18
He was born to a muslim father. That makes him a  muslim by birth according to their faith.

19 Obama's camels are comin' home to roost. Dumb bitch should never have left my church.

20 Drew, I don't think it's silly at all. As you mention, his family background and upbringing make the Osama Obama-is-a-Muzzie meme easy to believe.

1. Muslim daddy;
2. Years spent in a madrasa (Muslim school) as a yoot;
3. The "Indonesian street kid" crap;
4. The pilgrimage to Pock-ee-stohn;
5. Various pro-Muslim statements during campaign;
6. Various pro-Muslim statements and actions as president;
7. The infamous bow to the Saudi headman.

Not enough to convict, maybe, but enough to indict.

As for being a member of Rev. Wright's homey little Christian flock: Ol' Jeremiah is about as "Christian" as Fred Phelps.

21 That's because liberation theology is a communist religion. One of it's tenants is communal salvation, which is a divergence from the traditional individual relationship with God approach of Christianity. I guess you can know what's in the community's heart...

22

I think Obama belongs to the Church of Obama.

No, that would be the Clintons, who were all about the Self.Which, in a way, was good, because when the GOP saved us in November 1994, The Clintonistas were able to traingulate and give us Welfare Reform (which the Obamunists have now undone) and halving the Captial Gains Tax.

It's worse than that--Obama worships at the Commie Whitey Hating Cult of Jeremiah Wright.

23 well, he's not religious. Not if he describes people as clinging to their religion; it's proof that he just doesn't understand it. it's fine to not understand it so long as you don't try to pretend otherwise.

24

BUT!!!  BUT!!!  "First Read" over at MSNBC states that Obama is MORE religious than Regan or H.W. Bush because.... 

...he gets daily Bible versus to his BlackBerry!

No, seriously, they say that:

"The big irony of this story: President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was; in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY."

I didn't know those devices were around back then.  Amazing!

 

25 Wrote this this morning, it bears a repost:

I could care less whether Imam Obama is still a practicing Muslim, but I love just dropping it casually amongst my more liberal friends. They immediately go with the, "Stop trying to fear-monger" line.

I just calmly state, well, in Islam if your father is a Muslim, you're a Muslim (much like if your mom's Jewish, you're Jewish, they get this one as many of my NY liberal friends are Jews). Obama's father was a Muslim, his step-father was a Muslim, he was raised in the world's must populous Islamic nation and attended public school there, which in an Islamic nation is basically the Muslim equivalent of Catholic school.

They get it, but they'd always just brush it off. After the Ground Zero Victory Mosque flap, my seeds have begun to sprout...

26

My religion is the Church of Political Expediency, bitches.

27 He may not be a card-carrying Muslim but he is sympathizer or a willing dupe to say the least.  I think his religion at birth was Muslim, hence his resistance to releasing his full birth record.

28 I don't think we've had a Democrat president who was a believer in any faith since Jimmy Carter. Clinton and Obama are probably functional agnostics, who go through the motions for show. Neither has shown any interest in religion other than as a tool to political salvation.

I don't really care that much about the religious beliefs of public officials (except to the extent that it provides a window on their actions), but I do wish Obama would drop the charade. He joined Jeremiah Wright's church for personal advancement, and dumped it for personal advancement. Other than that, there's zero evidence that he believes in any of the basic elements of the Christian faith.

29

It was said that this past Christmas, there wouldnÂ’t have been any celebration at the White House if it hadnÂ’t been for the former White House social secretaries.

Obama is an agnostic. ItÂ’s what his mother taught him.
That whole Trinity Church thing was merely to get a sense of the “Black Experience” and gain some “street cred” .. nothing more.

Bush went to church periodically. So did Clinton, carrying his Bible.
Is there any record of President Obama going to church, temple or any kind of place of worship that wasn’t an “official function” or “campaign event” ?

Obama embraced the notion of government as religion ..
A People's Temple .. and they all drank the Kool-Aid

30 How can a deist worship himself?? Wouldn't self-worship kinda make him a solipsist? Anyway, I'm pretty sure in his heart the dude is a garden variety (little 'a') atheist.

31 We're all birthers now. A nation of birthers. A continent of birthers. A union of birthers. Will Charles Johnson take off the bicycle seat and butt-nutt himself to death on the post? 

32

But even among the president's allies, the numbers are shifting. In March 2009, 55% of Democrats said the president is a Christian, which he is.

And they're so positive about this because...?

33 OT I'd like to whine about all the Moonbeam ads I'm getting here. I mean really Moonbeam? you're gonna try and sell your brand of crazy at AoSHQ? Even better the ad features a simple Whitman=Bush, Bush=Economic Failure, progression when California, which by all rights due to it's natural advantages should outperform the whole of the US, is relegated to waiting in line for the hind tit to suck due to progressive big government. Yet for the remaining 6 conservative Californians hanging here, we get the Moonbeam ad saying Bush economics was the problem...

34 I didn't know those devices were around back then.  Amazing!

Could've sworn Obama said he didn't know how to use one.

35 I just calmly state, well, in Islam if your father is a Muslim, you're a Muslim (much like if your mom's Jewish, you're Jewish, they get this one as many of my NY liberal friends are Jews).

Well, technically, Obama is more Muslim than Jonah Goldberg is Jewish.

36 Anybody checking in on the liberal sites today? Moonbat tears and sour grapes are sweet.

37
I've never seen the media try to clarify common misconceptions or falsehoods about conservatives or anyone or anything else for that matter as much as they do about Obama.

It's pathetic.

38

 

Why is it that things are more like they used to be than they are now?

39 24 Faux Religious credibility? There's an app for that.

40

...it's the kind of religion a leftist would be more in tune with in America. It's the minority religion, fighting to gain a foothold within the existing political and cultural power structure of America.

Drew,

More than that, it's been stated authoritatively that "Islam" means "submission."  I mean, you're signing the progglodytes' song right there.

Cordially...

41 The big irony of this story: President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was; in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY.

I get Viagra spam sent to my e-mail address every day, too. Doesn't make me a pr0n star...

42 Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 01:16 PM (Ulu3i)

I think it's silly because he could come out tomorrow and say he's making the Haj to Mecca and I'd still think he is a dangerous President who has done great harm to the nation. It simply wouldn't matter much.

On the other hand, Jimmy Carter appears to be a real deal Christian. I still think he was a dangerous President who did great harm.

Actions matter to me in a President, not his religion.

43 16 Barack Obama views Muslims the way Jane Goodall viewed chimps -- with an adoring condescension and noblesse oblige.

No, Timothy Treadwell and the grizzlies is more apt.  It won't end well. 

44

55% of Democrats said the president is a Christian, which he is.

He's a Christian, like the Westboro Baptist Church "people" are Christians.

45 The only thing that I know for certain is that China, Germany, Brazil and probably a few more countries are coming out of this Dempression faster and stronger than we are.

Something is terribly wrong in this country - and we all know what it is.

46 I don't care if he's a Rosicrucian/Druid/Lutheran, he's still an asshole

47
If Obama were to publicly renounce his fathers faith, he would be considered an apostate, with a life expectancy I would not wish to conjecture on.

So he has to play his middle of the road - "present" position.

Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?

48

"I consider it part of my responsibility as President of the United Stated to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear" - Barack Hussein Obama

Now change 'Islam' to any of the following and tell me the shit wouldn't have hit the fan.

Christianity

Catholicism

Hinduism

Mormonism

etc.

49
Obama is a mujahideen.

50 Question: What age was Obama when he changed his name (particularly, was it when he was a little kid)?

51

No, Timothy Treadwell and the grizzlies is more apt.  It won't end well. 

That depends on your point of view. The bear was quite happy.

52 I like how the writer is trying to reinforce the idea that obama is a Christian by saying "which he is" after the words "is a Christian".  It seems as if the writer is trying to convince themselves as well as the reader.

I think Obama belongs to the Church of Obama.
Posted by: MaureenTheTemp

I agree with this.

53 51 Question: What age was Obama when he changed his name (particularly, was it when he was a little kid)?

From "Obama" to "Soetoro" and back?  Or from "Barry" to "Barack"?

54

Is Marxism a religion?

The State as God is all they know.

55 Actually this story is a sign of desperation. If the MFM has returned to shaking the "Mooselimb" bogeyman in front of the public to make Barry out to be a victim, they've just about run out of ammunition.

56 I think he is a Pastafarian.

http://www.venganza.org/

57 Obama's camels are comin' home to roost.

And back to the tent...  he went.

58 I like how the article has to say "which he is" twice.

59 yep, he's just another lefty athiest.

60 If people believe that.... If Obama is a Christian... If Obama is a muslim... I've been trying to think of a clever way to shoehorn a Rachel Corrie joke in here for 5 minutes but can't come up with anything good. Now I'm hungry for pancakes.

61

 

Roll over, play dead

Get spiritual minded

62 I think you are spot on with how Obama sees himself but you leave out a couple of big things on why many would see him as a Muslim or at the very least non-Christian.

1. Has he ever suggested or is there any evidence that he was ever baptized? Maybe there is in his books but I am unaware of it and I am sure the general public is.

2. He definitely sees the Koran as a holy book and Mohammad as a Prophet.  At least in a sense that leftists use the words Holy and Prophet. Most Christians do not any more than they do Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon. The Koran is mutually exclusive with the Bible so one of them is false. The Koran specifically says it is the Bible.  Tolerating Islam for a Christian is unsurprising and expected but to give it real credence suggests you either believe Islam or don't take religion seriously. With Obama's public stances toward Islam it isn't surprising many people believe it's the former where he is concerned.

63 Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2010 01:21 PM

But beliefs (religious as well as political) can often be used as predictors of behavior, Drew.

I wouldn't give a shit about Osama Obama's religion if it didn't appear to be an integral part of his insane hate-America agenda. I didn't care about any other president's religion. In a theoretical sense, it is as irrelevant as race or gender when making electoral decisions.

It's just one piece in the puzzle that is the Traitor-in-Chief. Not the most important one, by a long shot.

64
I'll tell people I think Obama is a Raëlian if it erodes his image.

Whatever it takes to destroy Obama and get him the fuck out of the White House is A-OK with me.

65 56 Actually this story is a sign of desperation. If the MFM has returned to shaking the "Mooselimb" bogeyman in front of the public to make Barry out to be a victim, they've just about run out of ammunition.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 19, 2010 01:27 PM (AZGON)

Oh, we got a million of them, including but not limited to:

1. One of the girls having some sort of syndrome

2. Michelle having some form of cancer

3. Barry having Parkinson's disease

4. Michelle having an affair with Michael Dorn

5. Barry having an affair with Kel

66

 the president is a Christian, which he is

I like how they repeat that a couple of times. As if repeating something enough times will make it so. As others above have so eloquently said, Obama worships Obama, God, any God takes a back seat to him in his world view. Remember he made the oceans stop rising etc.

67 The big irony of this story: President Obama is more religious than Reagan or H.W. Bush ever was; in fact, he gets Bible verses sent to his blackberry EVERY DAY.

I get Viagra spam sent to my e-mail address every day, too. Doesn't make me a pr0n star...

Yeah, like all the mailing lists I sign up for then religiously delete without reading every day. Because I 'care', I go that extra mile to read the subject. 

_{One sentence baby, that's all you get, and it better not be a very long sente....}

68 Zero was raised by communists. Any religion, outside of Marxism is a charade. He has no religion. What church does he attend?

69 I don't think Obama is a Muslim or a Christian. I don't think he even  worships the state. There is nothing in his universe that he elevates higher than himself. He practices the religion of Obama.

70 >>If Obama were to publicly renounce his fathers faith, he would be considered an apostate, with a life expectancy I would not wish to conjecture on.

No he wouldn't.  Muslims are permitted to lie about this to protect themselves or deceive infidels.

So him claiming to NOT be a Muslim publically could be interpreted as a politically expedient lie by Muslims, and in fact, that's EXACTLY how noted Muslim theologian (snark) Muammar Gaddafi of Libya described Obama publically (that he's a Muslim pretending to be a Christian).

Now in fact, I don't believe Obama is a "practicing" Muslim, though I think its empirically obvious by his actions that he is sympathetic to Muslims.

More to the point, I don't give a rat's ass whether Obama is or isn't a Muslim (Christian, Zoroastrian, Satanist, whatever).   What matters is how he's managing the economy, foreign, and domestic policy.

71 Like Rachel Corrie, Barry is flat out wrong.

72 Hussein.  Muslim father and step-father.  Born and raised a muslim.  Grew up in the largest muslim nation in the world, attending school registered as a muslim (and an Indonesian citizen, BTW, as recorded by the school). 

The question of whether the Indonesian Imbecile IS a muslim is deceptive.  No one knows what he IS.  The question is how he grew up and what his sensibilities are.  In that, that answer is easy and definitive - he grew up a muslim and has muslim sensibilities (with a noted lack of any American sensibilities).

"I was a little Jakarta street kid." -- The Indonesian Imbecile

It's nice how he expressed his feeling that the muslim call to prayer was "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset."  And yet, no one managed to ask him about hearing that "pretty sound" five times a day at Ground Zero if the mosque he supports goes up.

It's funny how the Indonesian speaks Bahasa (and some arabic, I would gather) but you have never heard him say one word in those languages, even after he tried to chide America for not speaking foreign languages.  All he could manage in that discussion was to say "Mercy buckets," when he could have impressed everyone with knowledge of truly exotic languages.  Lucky for him that the MFM and other cowards covered for him.

73 71 I don't think Obama is a Muslim or a Christian. I don't think he even  worships the state. There is nothing in his universe that he elevates higher than himself. He practices the religion of Obama.

Posted by: Dumb_Blonde (the old ... err ... original one) at August 19, 2010 01:30 PM (fwGpz)

I get up every morning at 10:30 and spend at least 30 minutes flexing my abs in the mirror

74

Is Marxism a religion?

The State as God is all they know.

People believe in it despite the fact that all practical, experimental, and theoretical data shows its major premises to be false...

75 I think the reason he's seen as a Muslim is because of his family history and also, it's the kind of religion a leftist would be more in tune with in America. It's the minority religion, fighting to gain a foothold within the existing political and cultural power structure of America. Islam's "otherness" from the traditional American religious experience is akin to the outsider status most leftist have in the American political tradition.

Yeah, but that used to be Buddhism.  Buddhism was the cool "other" religion.  It had all sorts of things that the left likes: It's flexible, it's introspective.  But the problem is that it doesn't fit with leftism because, by and large, Buddhist cultures are successful.  Or at least, not poisonously self destructive.

The thing about Islam is that it will always be a basket case.  The only successful Muslims are those who break hard with Islamic traditions.  So, Islam fits the bill because it is the religion of the oppressed.  Lefties like that, makes them feel useful and lets them feel that warm glow of condescending paternalism.

The other thing is the Stockholm syndrome.  Islam succeeds because it will kill you if you oppose it.  I flicked past MSNBC discussing the end of combat ops in Iraq and there was some dummy opining that we "opened up a hornet's nest".  Muslims aren't people in the left's view, they're animals.  And as dangerous animals, if we leave them alone, they'll eat us last.  So Islam gets placated.

Hindus?  Nah.  Buddhists?  Nah.  Jews?  No way.  Only the violent religion gets dispensation.

76 But beliefs (religious as well as political) can often be used as predictors of behavior, Drew.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 01:29 PM (Ulu3i)

In general sure, but not in specific cases. There are a long line of very religious (and overtly so) people who have done terrible things, morally, legally and politically.

I think Obama's record (such as it was) and his words during the campaign were enough of a clue. He could have been the most pious Christian gentleman in the world and I still wouldn't have voted for him.

77 this game sucks. you guys are stupid. i dont wanna play anymore!

78 I am a shahid in the name of community.

79 Perhaps people think he is a muslim because he is a jew-hating fucktard.

80 One sentence baby, that's all you get, and it better not be a very long sentence.


John 3:16 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not....


<del>

81 "I was a little Jakarta street kid." -- The Indonesian Imbecile

Don't mistake his lying to get some fake "Other" cred with Whitey for self-revelation.

We know this: He hates us, and Muslims aren't us, so regardless of any specific attachment he may have to them, which is unknown and unknowable to us, he's effectively more with them than with us.

82 82 Perhaps people think he is a muslim because he is a jew-hating fucktard.

Not necessarily a direct correlation.

83 Oh, we got a million of them, including but not limited to: 1. One of the girls having some sort of syndrome 2. Michelle having some form of cancer 3. Barry having Parkinson's disease 4. Michelle having an affair with Michael Dorn 5. Barry having an affair with Kel 6. Dressing up Democrat operatives as KKK members and marching on DC wearing GOP campaign buttons 7. Barry's aunt Zeituni claiming white Christians leave her death messages on her voicemail 8. Barry having a journey of discovery, like James McGreevey, Michelle finally able to drop the facade

84

Regardless of what he is, it is interesting to note the 8% shift in Independents thinking on this issue. Couple that with other shifts in views of how he is doing with the economy etc. and it is becoming obvious that he is in real trouble, trouble that it will be very difficult for the MSM to bail him out of. So do they double down, or do they begin to turn on him?

 

Or, as someone suggested up above, is there a health scare or some other concern they are holding in reserve to flip sympathy back to him?

85 Oops that's 1 Corinthians

86 When he bowed to the Saudi King that painted a picture that pretty much sealed it for me. 

87 The interesting part is that almost half don't know what the hell he is, and the number is going up.  I guess people are noticing that they have never gotten the whole story from the media, and that Obama lies and changes his tune all the time.

Personally, I suspect he's an atheist or maybe a deist who worships himself, but I really don't know because he's a big phony.

Most. Transparent. Administration. EVAH!!!

Like his birth certificate, he could stop all this by telling the truth.  But, it serves him better to paint the people asking questions about motivations for asking 'stupid' questions, thereby 1) never answering the question and 2) putting the questioner on the defensive.

88

He's just a dick. And he'd be a dick regardless of faith .... fill in the blank ... christian, jewish, muslim, scientologist ... that second word will always be dick!

89 Well.....  I dont know what the heck he is...
I sure dont think he is a Christian.

90 "I was a little Jakarta street kid." -- The Indonesian Imbecile

Yeah, rich stepfather and private schools.  If "street" means "cul-de-sac in a gated neighborhood" then maybe.

91 Sun Myung Moon just pissed himself.  (From laughing, not because he's 109)

92 Posted by: AmishDude at August 19, 2010 01:33 PM (T0NGe)

True but the eastern religions don't work well for radical lefties like Obama because they don't have a political/action element like Islam does.

Buddhism is great for gas bag celebrities but it's to wishy-washy for the vanguard of political change. Guys like Obama want to fight ("get in their faces") and "remake" stuff. For that you need a muscular and proselytizing religion like Islam.

93

I personally don't care what he is, but, when the man gives orders to the head of NASA to prioritize an outreach program to Muslim nations and cancels the Space Shuttle replacement program, one has to wonder what the heck is going on.

94

OT I'd like to whine about all the Moonbeam ads I'm getting here.


Why? Personally, I love it. I click on the Moonbat ads every time, to suck more $ out of their campaign coffers. Never miss the opportunity to fuck the leftists every day, even if it's a penny at a time.

95

Look, people can think this but it's fundamentally un-American. Religious tests for public office are not only wrong, they are specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

We should not let our passions get the better of us.

True, but what a particular person uses as qualifications are up to them. Religions are clues (not determinative, since there is a lot of variance, but there is a mean) to a person's values and hence actions. I don't want a constitutional or legal barring of muslims from anything. I do want voters or nominators to give them closer scrutiny.

96

Oh, we got a million of them, including but not limited to:

1. One of the girls having some sort of syndrome

2. Michelle having some form of cancer

3. Barry having Parkinson's disease

4. Michelle having an affair with Michael Dorn

5. Barry having an affair with Kel

Posted by: MFM at August 19, 2010 01:29 PM (LdYLm)

8. Michelle unable to find underwear large enough to fit

97 I gotta go with BHO being agnostic or atheist. He's narcissistic, but all politicians are.

98 I think Obama's record (such as it was) and his words during the campaign were enough of a clue. He could have been the most pious Christian gentleman in the world and I still wouldn't have voted for him.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2010 01:34 PM

Agreed, Drew.

Of course the argument could be made that if Osama Obama had been a "pious Christian gentleman" he wouldn't be the past-concealing, treasonous liar he is today.

But your point is well taken.

It amazes me to this day that the Foolish 52% couldn't see the web of deceit and obfuscation woven around the Mohammedan Mouthpiece.

99 Of course Obama is a Muslim.  The crap peddled in Wright's church isn't too far off what The Nation of Islam preaches, that's why Zero was able to sit through those sermons for 20 years.  Obama is a Muslim, and he pretended to be a Christian during the election so voters wouldn't get freaked out by his religion.  This isn't a tin-foil hat, WND conspiracy of the highest order.  It's just common sense. 

100 Too bad he didn't go the scientology route and get ran outa public office for jumping on a couch on Oprah before he won the election.

101 In the meantime, I saw a linky somewhere earlier today (which I've lost track of but sent to Ace) that "Miss Me Yet?" Booosh t-shirts are outselling "I Vacationed With Obama" shirts on the Vineyard.

Sweet.

102 Looking at the actual report, how odd that the Pew poll asked Protestants, Catholics and "unaffiliated" people whether they thought Obama was Muslim, but didn't think to ask any -- you know -- actual Muslims.

I guess they really didn't want to have to report that number.

103 Top Religions Barry may be (from Listverse):
10. Scientology
9. Creativity Movement (- sleeper agent)
8. Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth
7. Nation of Yahweh
6. Church of All Worlds
5. Universe People
4. Church of the SubGenius
3. Prince Philip Movement (sleeper agent since he hates the British)
2. The Church of Euthanasia
1. Nuwaubianism

Here is a list of some of the more unusual Nuwaubian beliefs:

1. It is important to bury the afterbirth so that Satan does not use it to make a duplicate of the recently-born child

2. Furthermore, some aborted fetuses survive their abortion to live in the sewers, where they are being gathered and organized to take over the world

3. People were once perfectly symmetrical and ambidextrous, but then a meteorite struck Earth and tilted its axis causing handedness and shifting the heart off-center in the chest

4. Each of us has seven clones living in different parts of the world

5. Women existed for many generations before they invented men through genetic manipulation

6. Homo sapiens is the result of cloning experiments that were done on Mars using Homo erectus

7. Nikola Tesla came from the planet Venus

8. The Illuminati have nurtured a child, Satan’s son, who was born on 6 June 1966 at the Dakota House on 72nd Street in New York to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis of the Rothschild/Kennedy families. The Pope was present at the birth and performed necromantic ceremonies. The child was raised by former U.S. president Richard Nixon and now lives in Belgium, where it is hooked up bodily to a computer called “The Beast 3M” or “3666.”

104 Is douchebaggery a religion? There seems to be a lot of adherants.

105 Idolizes terrorists....check Dines with the PLO....check Bullies Israel....check Celebrates Islamic holidays....check

106 97

OT I'd like to whine about all the Moonbeam ads I'm getting here.


Why? Personally, I love it. I click on the Moonbat ads every time, to suck more $ out of their campaign coffers. Never miss the opportunity to fuck the leftists every day, even if it's a penny at a time.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 19, 2010 01:38 PM (P9+0W)

Exactly. I click on ads all the time because it also helps out Ace.

107

"Democrats said the president is a Christian, which he is."

Obama has distain for people who "cling" to Bibles.    

108 Leviticus 25:14 If you sell or buy property from one of your countrymen, don't...

<del>

109 Buddhism is great for gas bag celebrities but it's to wishy-washy for the vanguard of political change. Guys like Obama want to fight ("get in their faces") and "remake" stuff. For that you need a muscular and proselytizing religion like Islam.

Is there any other such a muscular and proselytizing religion?  Islam is very much like Marxism, but other than those two, what else do you have?  Jehovah's witnesses?

110

Posted by: Jimmy Carter at August 19, 2010 01:38 PM (T0NGe)

You can die in peace now Jimmah. You will NOT go down in history as the worst. Satan's barbed leftard probe is erect and waiting.....

111 How could Barry be a Mooselimb? He can barely find time for golf, given his lifelong love affair with the mirror. Anyone remember that official WH photo of Barry staring at himself in the looking glass? Creeeeepy.

112 Damn it,

sock off

113 Why? Personally, I love it. I click on the Moonbat ads every time, to suck more $ out of their campaign coffers.

Good Point

114 We had an expression in the ministry:  "They hold the Word, but the Word does not hold them".

This is like Pelosi saying that her favorite word is "The Word" and then turn around and try to usurp liberties at every opportunity.

115

8. Michelle unable to find underwear large enough to fit

"Now that man I'd hate to fight. Cause she wears underwear with dick-holes in 'em."

116

Not enough to convict, maybe, but enough to indict.

And a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich. Sorta ironic here.

117

Barry's daily Bible verse probably runs a lot like this

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs)

118 We've told you bitter clingers over and over again:  Obama is a Christian.

And still you won't believe us.

One of these days, even you stupid clods will figure this out:  JUST ACCEPT WHAT WE TELL YOU.  Because we're, like, objective 'n' stuff.

119 Proverbs 14:23 All hard work brings a profit, but...

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120 So, not only is he setting back race relations by a half-century at least, now he's adding even more tension to the question of Islam in America.

Got yet hope an' change right here, pal...

121 Ramadan vacation?

122 Actually there's not much difference between Black Liberation Theology and Islam.  Neither are actually "religions", they are both political movements with attendant mythologies that are used to manipulate the masses.

123 Drew - I would imagine that a large percentage of those who answered that Muslims should not be allowed on the SCOTUS would argue people of ANY faith should not serve on the court.  The far left is vehement about this.

124 Proverbs 21:25 The sluggard's craving will be....

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125 Obama's daily verse is probably from the Jeremiah Wright transalation ... and is some variant of this thought ... "screw them white crackers!"

126

Grover mutha fraking Norquist says our own lemming-like behaviour has already condemned us.

http://tinyurl.com/356gype

Grover

f--king

Norquist

127 Anyone ever see Barky eat a pork sandwich?  No? 

_{oops.  forgot about Moochelle's love for ribs.} 

128

I get up every morning at 10:30 and spend at least 30 minutes flexing my abs in the mirror

Posted by: Barack Mussolini Obama at August 19, 2010 01:32 PM (LdYLm)

Odumbass is just observing "The Call to Prayer Stare"

129 I agree that we can't have a constitutional test. I also think that we GET TO KNOW what religion they are before we vote.

130 Proverbs 22:26-27, 29 Do not be a man who strikes hands in pledge or puts up security for debts; if you lack the means to pay...

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131 Well, it's one thing to say Muslims shouldn't even be eligible for high office, but there's really nothing wrong with saying Muslims shouldn't be chosen for high office.

Islam is a choice.  It's a set of core values and ideas.  It's not like race or nationality or sex... it really is extremely relevant to who a person is.

A person who picks a certain religion can be criticized, logically, for that. 

It's just that the government should stay out of the discussion.  It shouldn't have  a list of which kooky religions are unacceptable.  Some mistake that limitation of government as some kind of statement that religion isn't relevant, doesn't matter, to who a person, or even worse, that all religions are equal.

But they aren't equal and it does matter.

I wouldn't elect a Muslim to the presidency unless they really demonstrated some kind of moderation of their views.  Their religion views would matter quite a bit, anyway.

132

"OT I'd like to whine about all the Moonbeam ads I'm getting here."

And I'd like to complain about all the Canadian ads. How does this blog know I work for Canadians?  Is it possessed by magic demons, eh?

133

Look!

Hale Bopp comet!

 

134 Of course the argument could be made that if Osama Obama had been a "pious Christian gentleman" he wouldn't be the past-concealing, treasonous liar he is today.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 19, 2010 01:40 PM (Ulu3i)

Two words....Robert Hanssen.

135 I question the timing of this poll to distract us from the other poll..

(The one where he's tanking)

136 Proverbs 28:19 He who works his land will have abundant food, but the one who chases fantasies will have...

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137 Religious tests for public office are not only wrong... What? I thought we were talking about Mormons.

138 Palin on the Furries ad: (From Facebook via Althouse poster) "First, ladies, itÂ’s hard to take a critic seriously when they lecture you wearing a bear suit. So, itÂ’s difficult for me to drum up much outrage at this latest ad. But, really, lying about a sister while wearing an Ewok outfit is no way to honor our foremothers on the eve of the 90th anniversary of their victory. But, that aside, IÂ’d love to know where you got those get-ups. Halloween is just around the corner, and Piper and Trig would look adorable as little grizzly bears."

139

There is something very disturbing in the survey that should be rejected and rejected hard....

Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearly one-third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President

Bullshit. Muslims believe in Sharia law, which conflicts with our rule of law. That alone should exclude Muslims from serving on the Supreme Court.

 

140 Look, people can think this but it's fundamentally un-American. Religious tests for public office are not only wrong, they are specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

First of all, islam isn't a religion.  It's an aggressive, expansionist, belligerent, violent political ideology that demands the power of State everywhere.  Other than stories plagiarized from the Old and New Testaments (and perverted by mohammed), there is nothing in islam that qualifies in the Western sense of "religion".  That said, we don't make laws barring adherents of idiotic and toxic political ideologies from running for Pres or sitting on the SCOTUS (lest the libtards have no one available to them).  But, we are supposed to exercise good judgment and reject un-American foreign influences (as the Founders were VERY KEEN about).

There was no need for any "religious test" for the Indonesian Imbecile - though everyone pretending that his name wasn't 'hussein' was not helpful to America.  He was ineligible because he held other citizenships and should have never been allowed into the dem primary.  But ... certain people were scared to broach that issue (*wink, wink*).

141 139 He may not be muslim but just like Bill Clinton was dubbed the first black President,  Obama is definiitely our first muslim President.  

Posted by: polynikes at August 19, 2010 01:49 PM (m2CN7)

Ya know, I'm feeling cheated here, we never got a Druish president.

142 Let me put it this way.

When Obama eats a waffle, he doesn't get sausage or bacon.

143 Let he who casts the SEIU vote be declared the winner.

144

As to Obama's religion, what springs to mind is,

"Some people just want to watch the world burn."

145 Hate-a-paloozas like Rev. Wright's church are nondenominational.  The orthodoxy only requires that you hate the West in general, and America in particular.  That he filled a pew there for 20 years certainly doesn't exclude the possibility that at heart, he is a muslim, since muslims generally accept the same premise.

146 I agree that we can't have a constitutional test. I also think that we GET TO KNOW what religion they are before we vote. Posted by: dagny at August 19, 2010 01:47 PM

Anyone who wants to hold public office should be put under close scrutiny, including verification of citizenship/school records/claimed accomplishments/associates.

No one should ever be eligible to hold a public post with as murky a past as Osama Obama's.

Not sure I agree that there is a "need to know" when it comes to religion, at least when a candidate demonstrates a certain level of lifetime ethical behavior (something else the Mohammedan Mouthpiece hasn't shown).

147 To paraphrase an obscure movie: "A communist yesterday, a Muslim today... Such nonsense. Herr Obama loves only himself." Long ago PA nailed this clown as laboring under full-blown Narcisstic Personality Disorder. Every politician has to be some sort of narcissist, but this cheesedick Obama has made it a nearly religious pursuit. He is a narcissist by which all other narcissism may be judged. I don't even think Teddy Kennedy could match the scale of Barry's psychosis.

148

Bottom line -

Obama is still a jackass

and Sarah Palin is still hot.

Coincidence?

 

149 A few more pulls from the report:

Republicans .... have made gains among Jewish voters; 33% now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008.

Black Protestants favor the Democrats by a wide margin. Fully 86% of black Protestants say they will vote Democratic, while just 7% say they will support the Republican candidate, which is little changed from this point in the 2006 campaign.

Religiously unaffiliated voters currently favor the Democrats over the Republicans by a 49%-36% margin. Among this group, those who describe themselves as atheists and agnostics are largely loyal to the Democratic Party (64% favor Democrats, 27% favor Republicans).


So, about that whole strategy of victory through appealing to Blacks and the "Freethinkers"....

150 Radical Islam is an existential threat to the United States. I would just as soon we keep Muslims off the court until we make damn sure Sharia isn't part of their "judicial temperament," or whatever you calling making shit up from the bench.

151 Yes or no, Drew M - should prospective immigrants from predominately Muslim countries be treated in any way differently than others?

Short Answer: Maybe

Long Answer: I thought in the wake of 9/11 (and I mean literally on that day, it was one of my first thoughts) we should have halted immigration from all Muslim nations until we could investigate all visa and green card holders from terror sponsoring nations (and I'd include Saudi Arabia and other 'friendly' nations).

I haven't thought about it much recently and it would depend on how they were treated differently. I would definitely support tighter screening for visitor visas as a start.

152 Speaking as someone who has lived in Moslem countries--Turkey and Jordan--pretty much continuously since 1995, I can tell you that, even aside from Moslem theology which does not give Obama the choice of whether to be or not to be a Moslem, the fact is that Moslems in the Middle East believe he is, and that has vast and important consequences, in spite of Drew's attempt to separate himself from the "crazies."  When Middle Eastern governments, such as they are, decide how to behave towards Israel, for example, or which terrorist acts to secretly, or openly, support, a great deal of their decision making process consists of trying to take into account the U.S. reaction.  If they believe the President is someone who will turn a blind eye, they are emboldened.  And maybe it turns out after the fact that they were wrong, and Obama, God bless him, is a Christian, and will not turn a blind eye, so what?  The damage is done.  But maybe if we keep saying, "Of course he's a Christian," Moslems in the Middle East will be so impressed by our fairness towards the guy that they'll re-think the whole terrorism thing.  And at the same time, we won't "alienate" moderates.  Win-win. 

153 The little twit Shannon Somebody-or-other who is sitting in for Megyn Kelly on Fucks News just introduced a "report" on the poll.

"Many Americans believe Obama is a Muslim...WHICH HE IS NOT!" she whined.

"Fair and balanced" tips the scale in favor of the politically correct. As usual.

154 Oh who gives a rat's ass what religion the cocksucker-in-chief is?  I'd rather speculate on the next bit of destruction he intends to throw our way, and how we can stave it off.

155 Uh, I kinda think having someone who agrees with Sharia law on the Supreme Court would be a bad fucking deal.
Someone who believes in a legal system that is 100% against everything in the Constitution and who's religious belief requires them to believe that such system is superior to all legal systems should be barred from the Supreme Court.

156 Your extended meme just shows how little you know about Islam. You are not alone...most people in the USA are ignorant of the facts and history of Islam. 

157

My personal hunch is that Obama is an atheist/agnostic, and as such he sees Islam and Christianity as two sides of the same coin. Not a lot of respect for either religion, but at the same time, doesn't see why Christianity should be preferred over Islam.

The problem with this is that the two religions are not morally equivalent. They are two very different philosophies with two very different manifestations in American and world culture. Sharia goes against everything America stands for, which is why, of course, so many Americans fear Muslim influence in our government.

158 68 percent of Americans believe President Bill Clinton had oral sex with a White House intern -- WHICH HE DID NOT.

159 156 Laurie David's Cervix Republicans .... have made gains among Jewish voters; 33% now identify or lean Republican, up from 20% in 2008. Wow. That is huge, and doubly important as Jewish voters make up a very high percentage of Dem campaign contributions.

160

I prefer to think of these poll responses as a form of spontaneous folk art.  Maybe the first eruption of transgressive folk art in history.

Think of the birthers and "he's a Muslim" types as transgressive performance artists. Sort of like the painters who smear dung on pictures of the Virgin Mary. They arte challenging stale pieties.

 

In this case, the piety is that the press vets the candidates and informs the public about their biography and their ideology.

161
Re#5 Vic
"Everything he has done since he has become known nationally leads people to believe he is a Muslim.
How do we know he is NOT?"

He takes positions on homosexuality that no Muslim would.  I know that he spoke against gay marriage during his campaign, but everybody knows that he didn't really mean it.

I understand that he was raised as a Muslim early in life and the reason he won't release his birth certificate is that it probably states "Muslim" as his religion as his father was Muslim and his mother wasn't religious.
I don't doubt that he considered himself a Muslim for quite a while.
I don't hold any of these things against him.

Like most leftists, his ideology is his religion.  His "conversion" to what he thinks is Christianity is almost certainly a matter of convenience.  

The journey from Muslim to leftist wasn't a long one.  They share a mutual hatred of freedom and the left is actually worse in this regard than Muslims are.
I have theory about "extremist Muslims".  People think that they are Muslims who take the Koran too seriously.  I think that they are really a hybrid of Islam and leftist ideology.  Listen to some of the stuff OBL says in his videos.  Trim it down some and he could have been several of my college professors.  People wonder why these people believe what they do in spite of receiving a western education.
I don't think "in spite of".
I think "because of".

162 @2, Maureen:  Agreed!  i have been saying since the getgo that Zero worships at the altar of barack hussein obama.  What's more important is that he is the worst precedent evah -  Jimmah C was a great statesman by comparison.   And yeah - this comment is redundant, but as a right wing extremist surrounded by progressives in CA, just need to put in my 2 cents.

163 OT: Anyone else notice that the comments over at tepid air are plummeting (especially on Ed "Poppin Fresh" Ed Morrissey's posts) while the threads over here are getting longer on a regular basis? Thank you moronbloggers. Please don't ever become smug, wishy-washy, milquetoast douchebags that purposefully troll just to get people to think you are an intellectual, when in reality you are a dumbass.

164 Hmmmmm.

When was the last time Obama was in a church?

Devout christian?  Really?

165 I think that it is pretty clear that he is a Muslim.  His comments mentioned earlier that it is his job to portray Islam in a positive light.  His NASA director's statement about reaching out to Muslim nations.  His apology tour of the middle east.  Bowing to The Saudi king.

He was raised a Muslim and it shaped his world.  He may not have been very active in his time in Hawaii but lots of high schoolers ignore religion for a while.  When he go to college he went to Pakistan with a Muslim.  Who knows where else he went while he was there (Mecca/Medina anyone).  He said in his book that he would stand with the Muslims.  When he decided he wanted to run for office, he found Wright Church of Hate^tm which is about as Christian as a KKK rally. 
As was said earlier:

First of all, islam isn't a religion.  It's an aggressive, expansionist, belligerent, violent political ideology that demands the power of State everywhere.

Islam is more a political idea than a religious one.  A fucking dangerous political idea at that.

166 I see a lot of statement *insisting* that Obama is not a Mooslim.  You could say it insists upon itself.  So much so that one is led to believe that he must be a Mooslim.

167 Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearly one-third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President Unless such a Muslim has absolute hatred and disdain for sharia law, they should be barred from the Court by any legal means available.

168 Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at August 19, 2010 02:06 PM

Just wait until "canopfor" moves over here! Then the comments will not only be short and stupid, but untranslatable as well.

A vast majority of morons and moronettes are at least coherent, even when they present diverging views.

169 Obama isn't a Muslim, he wouldn't worship anyone other than himself. However, he often behaves as if he's very sympathetic toward the faith.

That has more to do with his academic ideology than his faith, though.

170 BTW - this poll was taken Jul 21-Aug 5, before the Iftar dinner and Victory Mosque flaps went wide.  Bet that shifted a few people's views.

171 I'll drive, I've seen you drive.  When you can snatch the keys from my hand, wingnut, then you can drive. Woe unto us.

172 Any pictures with bacon? We shouldn't have a religious test for President; but we should have a bacon test; anything else in un-American.

173 Also, I have heard Imam Obama call the koran the "holy quoran" several times.  Ever heard him say the Holy Bible? 

174 Q.58 Now, thinking about Barack Obama’s religious beliefs… Do you happen to know what Barack Obama’s religion is? Is he Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, agnostic, or something else? [INTERVIEWERS: IF R SAYS “MULTIPLE FAITHS/ALL OF THE ABOVE,” RECORD AS “8-SOMETHING ELSE” AND RECORD VERBATIM RESPONSE]

Jul 21-Aug 5 %

34 Christian
** Jewish
18 Muslim (include Islam/Islamic)
01 Buddhist
** Hindu
** Atheist
** Agnostic
02 Something else  
43 DonÂ’t know
02 Refused

Buddhist?  Duuuuude!

175 The key to the Indonesian Imbecile is that he is THIRD WORLD.  He was raised a muslim, but moreso, he was raised as a third worlder - and that is his mindset and sensibilties.  He sees himself as the Avenging Angel of the Third World.  Supporting islam is part of that, which he clearly does ... insanely so.  The call to NASA to do muslim outreach was just mind-boggling.

But to hear the MFM and others declare that "he isn't a muslim" is just ridiculous and pisses people off.  They won't even admit that he was born and raised a muslim.  But that is all beside the point.  Many people are calling him "muslim" when they really want to say that he is "third world", since the two are not far apart on most issues.  His English clearly shows a non-American quality (he screws up well-known idiomatic expressions and introduces ones that Americans have never heard of, along with making gaffes that no American would make) and language is the deepest part of a person's personality (that we get to see on the surface).

And, Drew, to your point about what is un-American, there is nothing more un-American than islam, except a third world mentality, of course.

176 Posted by: Jean at August 19, 2010 02:14 PM (LqcF2)

That's a plan. It would eliminate the most dangerous group of all...vegetarians.

177 "Fair and balanced" tips the scale in favor of the politically correct. As usual.

The previous group of talking heads said the same thing. Let's not forget that Saudi investors bought into Fox last year.

178 If Obama is not a Muslim, it is a difference that makes no difference. You know a tree by its fruit.

179

It would be an interesting question to ask "Do you think the President has a positive view of Islam?" and "Do you?"

Hard to see how anyone paying attention could say other than yes & no respectively.

180 I'd say he's an atheist with sympathy for Muslims and hatred for Christians.

181

"Obama's religion is the state."

Deen wa dawla?

If you want to merge religion and state, have I got a religion for you!    

182 I personally believe that attending the First United Church of Kill Whitey for 20 years makes Obama a believer.

183 163Your extended meme just shows how little you know about Islam. You are not alone...most people in the USA are ignorant of the facts and history of Islam. 

Posted by: tomshup at August 19, 2010 01:58 PM (rns8t)

You are right.  Most American's don't know that Islam invented algebra, astronomy, calculus, all of our modern day knowledge of electrisity and genetics, plus the microwave and the microwavable popcorn bags.

You can ask Purple Avenger about the electrisity stuff.  He's an electritian and posted about this several times.

 

184

This Christian would prefer a Muslim president to someone who spent 20 years in the United Church of the Zeitgeist.

185 Does it really matter whether Obama is leftist of muslim? Nazis love Islam. Islam loves Nazis. They both have a genocidal hatred of Jews. Both want totalitarian rule of the world. Both hate America. Both want to rule every aspect of your life because they know better. Both say convert or die. Both find it morally okay to lie to outsiders. And so on. Is he a muslim? No. He's a militant atheist. But he was raised a muslim. I think that's where a lot of this birther stuff comes from. DrewM touches on it- the sense of otherness. Obama isn't American. Not where it counts. He is alien. And not like the leftists who simply despise America and put on airs of being above, beyond and different. He was raised by communists who hate faith and freedom. From a young age he was raised abroad in an asian and muslim nation on the other side of the planet. He had no connection to America. And when he got back, Obama specifically sought out those on the left who chose to separate themselves form America as much as possible. He is alien. He isn't American no matter what his birth certificate says. And that' why the whole birther thing will never go away. Even if he stops hiding his past deep in his heart Obama is completely foreign to any and all American principles. And the American people can sense it. They feel it in their gut like animals and earthquakes.

186 Big Lie 1. Nazi's were Right Wingers. Big Lie 2. Muslim's invented math.

187 Obama went to Muslim school when he was a kid but after that the only documented thing he was involve with was Trinity United CC where he went for decades. It's anything but Christian.
Trinity United CC is founded on the philosophy of James Cone who wrote:
Black Theology and Black Power and A Black Theology of Liberation
Trinity United CC's founder is the famous Jeremiah Wright.
Wright was an acolyte of Louis Farrakhan.

188 Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearly one-third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President Look, people can think this but it's fundamentally un-American.

I think the problem people have with Muslims in office is that Islam specifically forbids a practicing Muslim from putting anything before Islam.  Including the Constitution.  Everything, and everything, must submit before sharia law. 

If Catholics or Protestants said that the Bible MUST supersede all other Constitutional laws, people would have a problem with appointing them as judges, government officials, etc.

It's not an animus against Muslims, it's taking Muslims at their word.

189 Jeremiah Wright's church is as muslim as you can get while still claiming to be Christian. As a wag said, it basically was the Nation of Islam with Muhammad scratched out and Jesus written in.

Could any real Christian church give a lifetime achievement award to the racist hate-monger Farakhan? A man who describes white people as "potential human beings"?

Good to know I have potential.

190

We should not let our passions get the better of us.

Thanks for the input, pal.

191 Most American's don't know that Islam invented algebra, astronomy, calculus, all of our modern day knowledge of electrisity and genetics, plus the microwave and the microwavable popcorn bags.

~ed

This is to put you to some feckin knowledge, ed.

http://tinyurl.com/37eqjwy

 

 

 

 

192 The only thing Barack Obama worships is Barack Obama. It's the only church with a full-length mirror on the altar. That said, as far as I know, the only religious schooling Obama had was Islamic, and the only non-Islamic religious activity he was involved with pre-Presidency was chicken-eatin' hate preacher Jeremiah Wright's hustle, which is right down there with good Democrat Fred Phelps' scam in my book.

193 163 Your extended meme just shows how little you know about Islam. You are not alone...most people in the USA are ignorant of the facts and history of Islam. 

Posted by: tomshup at August 19, 2010 01:58 PM (rns8t)

We know enough.

194 I read a blogger saying that Prince Charles is a "secret" Muslim and the evidence was not unconvincing. I would say Obama is not "Muslim-Muslim" but "Muslim-sympathetic." Which is fine. I am "Christian-Sympathetic" myself.

195 "The key to the Indonesian Imbecile is that he is THIRD WORLD. He was raised a muslim, but moreso, he was raised as a third worlder." Actually, plenty of 3rd-world people don't hate the USA or capitalism...now, Obama's mother was a left-leaning NGO employee...what does that tell you how he was raised?

196

Well, Obama may not be Christian, Muslim or Jew, but he is a montheist. He believes in one God: himself.

He has not, that I recall, expressed any belief whatsoever in Christ before or after taking office, despite attending a racist, "Christian" church for over 20 years. Which implies that he believes in black racism, but not Christianity.

He has routinely expressed immense faith in himself.

197 There is no God but Obama...

198

The we-are-the-worldish, God is Love Christians - Jimmy Carter, W - scare the shit out of me almost as much as the self-worshippers like Odogma and Clinton.

But give me a Christian or Jew any day who still believes in the vengeful, sometimes erratic God of the Old Testament, too, and is not embarrassed by it - that's the kind of leader we need.

The problem with electing even Christian leaders today is that too many of them are blinded by all the silliness about the apple, the ark, and the animal sacrifices to see that there's real value in the Old Testament.

199

#172 -- you could also add to your list the time Obama was being interviewed by George Stephanopolous and "mistakenly" referred to "my Muslim faith" -- before quickly being "corrected" by helpful (and completely objective journalist) George.

I personally don't believe Obama is a Muslim, but I do believe he's an ignorant, arrogant, narcissistic putz who doesn't belong anywhere near the White House.  Obama only lives there now because of Axelrod's slick marketing campaign, Obama's own willingness to lie about anything and everything, a pathetically weak Republican opponent, a crotch-sniffing MSM that worked feverishly to cover over Obama's many deficiencies, and, last but not least, a lazy and gullible electorate (or at least 52% of them were).

200

Look, people can think this [Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court.] but it's fundamentally un-American. Religious tests for public office are not only wrong, they are specifically prohibited by the Constitution.

I'm struggling for an analogy because we've never faced any "religion" as ambitious as Islamism in our history.  But imagine if we had our current crop of politically correct liberals/progressives during World War II, and if Japanese Americans had not all been as loyal and assimilated as they in fact were.  If I saw a poll then saying 30% of Americans did not think practitioners of Japanese state-sponsored Shinto should be allowed to serve on the Supreme Court or as President, my only complaint would be how low the number was.

Yes, that's a religious test for public office, and yes, the ban on religious tests is necessary for freedom of religion.  It is, simultaneously, a fatal flaw against religions with over-arching political ambitions.  The problem is that Sharia-law Islam does not admit the same limitations on its reach and authority that Catholics, the various Protestant churches or any other minority religion have admitted since the founding of the nation.  And Islamists seem to have figured out the same thing Saul Alinsky did, that demanding that basically decent organizations live up to their own published rules even in ridiculous situations is an effective weapon against them. 

The solution might be, before things ever get that far, to develop an effective secular political test to weed out terrorist apologists and political Islamists.  Unfortunately liberals seem to determined to disallow any discussion of that from polite discourse.  I predict that 28% figure will only rise as time goes on, unless a real discussion about political Islam preempts it.

201

No silliness in those stories, Wikey.

The apple story: stay away from snakes and the women who hang around them.

The ark: be prepared for natural disasters.

The animal sacrifice: eat lots of red meat and be thankful.

These are all good lessons.

202 Ref the issue of electing a Muslim as President. At least we know from History that Muslims have no problem going hardass on other Muslims. We in the West think about the pressure from the Islam on Europe from 800 to 15-1600 or so. We overlook that, to the Muslims, Europe was a secondary theater. The Big war was the conflict between the Arab/Turkish Muslims and the Persian Muslims. (which is still going on...) Realistically, there's no issue because in the present climate it's inconceivable that a Muslim would be a credible candidate for nationwide office.

203

Black Muslim faith and Islam are-though closer today than 50 years ago-two different animals.  Jeremiah Wright is a Black Muslim in the pulpit of a UCC "Christian" congregation.  O'Mamba is a thoroughgoing dilettante who, if he could be pinned down, probably could not correctly define any creed to which he might, just possibly, assent in his heart of hearts.

About a year back, following Cairo, a Muslim Brotherhood member called him a "Muslim renegade",  i.e.,  an unorthodox believer.  I'd say that's definitive.

204

"Religious tests for public office are not only wrong, they are specifically prohibited by the Constitution. "

See today's Roger Kimball post.  Islam does not admit of separation between 'Church and State',  'Freedom of Speech', 'Equal under the Law'.  Try again Pilgrim.

205 Drew sez Maobama is a Christian. How does he know that? 

206 It's obviously dangerous to think you can know what's in another person's heart but I don't think Obama is any more of a Muslim than he is a Christian.


Dude, "Muslim" is a race, you get the gene from your father.

/not sarcasm

207

Once again, I find progressoverpeace's arguments convincing and vote that he gets promoted to co-blogger.

Fundamentalist Islam is NOT a religion, it is a hostile, expansionist, totalitarian political philosophy masquerading as one.

 

208 Other useful (?) questions they forgot to ask ...

What size shoe does President Obama wear ?
Do you believe that President Obama speaks funny ?
Do you believe that President Obama is color blind ?
Do you believe that President Obama is into kinky sex ?
Do you believe that President Obama cheats on his taxes ?
Does President Obama really have 6 fingers on one hand ?
Do you believe that President Obama is now or may have been in the past a Communist ?
Do you believe that President Obama may have been the Oracle at Delphi in a past life ?
Do you believe that President Obama may be a space alien ?

209

I used to take Obama at his word that he was a Christian. But not since his "bitter clingers" speech. No genuine Christian would say that about other Christians. And if their speechwriter told them to say it, they would refuse.

That speech in one moment revealed whatObama really is--a self-styled sophisticate who views anyone with religious convictions as a superstitious rube.

210 199 Most American's don't know that Islam invented algebra, astronomy, calculus, all of our modern day knowledge of electrisity and genetics, plus the microwave and the microwavable popcorn bags.

~ed

This is to put you to some feckin knowledge, ed.

http://tinyurl.com/37eqjwy

Posted by: Speller at August 19, 2010 02:52 PM (qaOKJ)

Hey, I went to your link, "Speller", if indeed that is your name.  It was real informative. 

But I noticed that it didn't address my point that Islam invented the microwaveable popcorn bag.

So, this seems to be a rather GLARING flow in your agrument, hmmm?

Admit it, Islam invented Al-gebra, which was necessary to discover astronomy and the stars, which lead to Calculus (which is why schools make you take algebra before calculus), which then lead to electrisity.  And after electrisity, Islam discovered genetics, cuz you can't turn on ElectronicMicroscopes to discover genetics without ELECTRISITY.  Ask Mendel.  He was the one who wrote the paper about DNA and RNA at the University of Gallapgos.

And becuase of this Islamic knowledge of electrisity, we got the microwave oven which used to be called the...wait for it... Electronic Oven.  And our knowledge of genetics let us genetically modify popcorn to pop in a microwave oven.  Which is why you can't get microwaveable popcorn in Europe, because they don't allow importation of GeneticallyModified Foods, or FrankenFoods as they call them.  Which is evidnece of their Islamophbia.

So, following my above logical train, you can see why my statement, Islam invented the Microwaveable Popcorn Bag.  All based off of the wisdom of the Koran and the Hadiths.

You're welcome, "speller", and I accept your apology.

 

211 Drew sez Maobama is a Christian. How does he know that?
Posted by: louis tully at August 19, 2010 04:36 PM (K/USr)

Actually, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite.

212 Drew M -- You are completely wrong.

Islam is not like other religions. It by definition, is un-American. As Un-American as say, a religion practicing cannibalism, or human sacrifice, other disgusting things that are un-American.

Islam is a disqualifier because it demands: Polygamy, Sharia (instead of man-made law), subjugation of non-Muslims, subjugation of women, inequality among religious believers with Muslims on top.

America is not some supermarket where you can pick and choose beliefs like a brand of soap. *SOME* religions are so dangerous, so threatening, that holding their beliefs should automatically disqualify anyone involved in participating in American life (and indeed from living here).

Belief in racial superiority and extermination of folks "not of the master race" would be one. So too, Islam.

Because you cannot take the polygamy, the Sharia, the subjugation of women, the three most horrible parts of Islam, out of it. You can't be a "little bit Islamic" and as Mark Steyn puts it, hop on the Sharia express and get out before the polygamy, the second or third class treatment of non-Muslims, the replacement of our current legal system with that of Saudi Arabia, no its an express that goes straight to a society of the Taliban or Saudi Arabia.

As far as Obama goes, his Black African (just read his book, "Dreams from My Father: A Story of RACE AND INHERITANCE") identity is bound up in Islam, which is typical for Black Muslims who make up most of the US Muslim population. That Obama is a crony of Farrakhan just adds to that perception.

213 He's no Christian, the man made that pretty clear in an interview a few years back when he defined his faith basically as "stuff that's good for me and that achieves leftist goals." He doesn't worship Jesus Christ, he worships Barack Obama. There's no room for anyone else in his faith.

214 Posted by: whiskey at August 19, 2010 05:18 PM (t3UKO)

Show me the exemption in the Constitution for Islam.

I'll wait.

I love when people demand fidelity to Constitution (_{except for the parts that are a tad bit inconvenient for them}). It's not an attractive quality in liberals, I don't see why conservatives, who properly want to see politicians follow the Constitution, get a pass.

215 Drew, I have said this to friends over and over again: Obama, I truly believe, is an atheist.  Two incredibly selfish, atheist parents, dragged from pillar to post by a mother who was, apparently, still trying to "find herself".  He's an atheist, but...the only "religion" he was really exposed to as a child was Islam.  Thus, his sensibilities are Muslim, as those are the values and mores he identifies with.  Kind of like someone who learns a second language - even if he becomes fluent in, say, Italian, he still thinks in his native language because that's what comes naturally to him.

216 DrewM you are missing the major point. When does something cease to be a religion or never has been one?

The answer is when it is decided that the codes and requirements are enforced under the color of law. When the codes and requirements of the "professed faith" require you to go to war with non-believers and kill them.

I have seen "experts" who have said that Islam is 80% about how government is to be implemented and 20% religion and the two can not be separated.

The Constitution and the first amendment does not grant freedom of politics.  Muslims can speechify all they want, they can assemble all they want, but that doesn't make their speech and assembly a religion. 

217

The Test Act of 1673 in England obligated all persons filling any office, civil or military, to take oaths of supremacy and allegiance, to subscribe to a declaration against transubstantiation, and to receive the sacrament within three months of taking office.

WHY DO I GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THIS ? I DONT! SHARIA IS A POLITICAL AND CULTURAL SYSTEM AND HAS NO PLACE IN AMERICA.

Believe what you want. I dont care. When your beliefs supress my liberty then its open season.

218 Antisocial (223) has a good thought there: he's not a Muslim but he has a largely Muslim worldview; that is, his foundational thinking and basic understanding of the world was shaped by Islamic teaching and themes. It makes him sympathetic to and in accord with a lot of Islamic ideas, even though he's not one.

A lot of "Christians" are this way too; raised Christian, but never go to church, never read the Bible, never pray, never think about Christianity but they have the worldview as part of their life. The US at large used to be more this way, until about 40-50 years ago.

219 DrewM you are missing the major point.
Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2010 06:24 PM (/jbAw)

No, I get it. I just don't agree with you. There's a difference.

I get the political aspect of Islam but that in and of it self doesn't mean it's not a religion.

Let me ask you this...presume Keith Elisson of MN is reelected this year. Should the GOP refuse to seat him next year because he's a Muslim?

What would you say if Democrats tried to exclude Sharron Angle because of her overt religious policy positions?

Now you can say they are different (and they are) but the Constitution says we don't get to make that distinction and for good reason.

Islam isn't some little sect, it's not some personal cult of a guy living in his mom's basement. It's a religion with 1 Billion (+/-) followers around the world that has always been recognized as a religion in the US. You simply can't disqualify people from holding office solely based on their faith.

It's really amazing this is even a conversation.

220 The Constitution and the first amendment does not grant freedom of politics.
Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2010 06:24 PM (/jbAw)

Now that part, I don't get.

What exactly does the First Amendment protect in its totality if not "freedom of politics"? 

That's actually the whole point of the First Amendment. The whole "freedom of porn" thing is sort of a late (though welcome) addition.

221

DrewM, earlier you wrote that you wouldn't be opposed to restricting immigration from Islamic countries i.e., restricting immigration on the basis of religeon.  (Yeah, there is room to split hairs here about whether this is a restriction based on religeon, or country of origin.)

Would there be constitutional issues with that as well?  If you don't think so, do you think that many people would think there would be constitution issues with this?  For example, the courts or a left leaning administration?

 

222 Would there be constitutional issues with that as well?  If you don't think so, do you think that many people would think there would be constitution issues with this?  For example, the courts or a left leaning administration?
Posted by: ed at August 19, 2010 07:13 PM (Zsqn4)

Non US citizens, outside the jurisdiction of the US do not have rights under the US Constitution.

Yes, there is a problem with left leaning courts and administrations (think of thee Tariq Ramadan case, it never made it to SCOTUS because Obama let him in) but that's something we have to deal with all the time.

223

 You simply can't disqualify people from holding office solely based on their faith.

So , lets say 2 billion Chinese "Unexpectedly" demand our territory and submission - your ok cause thats their faith. What If 3 billion leftists demand we submit our soldiers to the world court?  DrewM, you have no sense of WHY is America, America?
What if 4 billion muslims perish because we wont submit?  That too many?

A more anti-American  phrase has never been spoken.

224 So , lets say 2 billion Chinese "Unexpectedly" demand our territory and submission - your ok cause thats their faith.
Posted by: meleager at August 19, 2010 07:18 PM (Y2/mt)

Seriously?

I'm gonna chalk that comment up to a good bit of drinking and let it go at that.

225 Let me ask you this...presume Keith Elisson of MN is reelected this year. Should the GOP refuse to seat him next year because he's a Muslim?

The point is I don't consider Islam a religion, it is a political party. So no, they should not refuse to seat him. Hell we are seating a communist from Vermont now so seating a muslim is no difference.

What would you say if Democrats tried to exclude Sharron Angle because of her overt religious policy positions?

Well, if Sharron Angle somehow starts trying to enact laws that enforce the tenants of Christianity through the force of law I will call for her removal them. However, that seems to be low probability since Jesus said render unto Caesar etc.

Now you can say they are different (and they are) but the Constitution says we don't get to make that distinction and for good reason.

As I said, I don't consider it a religion.

Islam isn't some little sect, it's not some personal cult of a guy living in his mom's basement. It's a religion with 1 Billion (+/-) followers around the world that has always been recognized as a religion in the US. You simply can't disqualify people from holding office solely based on their faith.

Neither is Communism, but we don't consider it a religion.  And I am not disqualifying them from office. I am saying that Islam should not be treated any different than any other political party.

What exactly does the First Amendment protect in its totality if not "freedom of politics"? 

It protects speech and assembly, as I stated.

The point is Islam should not be given any more privilege than being a communist or a Democrat.

226 You simply can't disqualify people from holding office solely based on their faith.

Not on a legal basis, no. I'd tend not to vote for some based on their faith, though.

227 Hyperbole, and a little drink, no harm, no foul,  its a retortical device and fun to use. Never the less, our liberty is never dependent on others just because there is some major religion with lots of expendable supplicants, especially one which is diametrically opposed to our founding principles

228 As I said, I don't consider it a religion.
Posted by: Vic at August 19, 2010 07:25 PM (/jbAw)

Ok, so you say you wouldn't try and enforce any legal or constitutional penalty on Muslims. Except what? Tax mosques?

In other words, it's more of an opinion than anything you actually want to see happen.

I think it's pretty dangerous for the government to start making calls like that. Someday you might not like how it comes out for.

229 Not on a legal basis, no. I'd tend not to vote for some based on their faith, though.

Fair enough but that's not an Article VI issue.

Remember this started with 25% or so of people polled saying Muslims should be legally ineligible to run for POTUS or sit on SCOTUS. That is most definitely an Article VI violation.

230

Oh, brother.

First, Islam is a religion. It may be other things too, but it is a religion. And if you don't believe something so obvious, so indisputable (even the Founders believed this), well...you might as just give up the argument. Because ain't no court nowhere gonna ever agree when you try and forbid Muslims from public office just because you don't like Muslims as a class. In fact, courts and public opinion and pretty much the Universe Itself is gonna smack you on your little iggerant noggin with the religious test clause of the U.S. Constitution. The Founders were well aware that religious animosity runs deep.

Second, exactly that kind of ridiculous thought and disregard for both the First Amendment and the religious test clause would have kept Catholics from public office in the 1800s and early 1900s. Yes, idiots made the same exact argument, that Catholics weren't just part of a religion, but a system of government with fealty to the Vatican. Fortunately, such stupid people were marginalized and now can only be found grumbling to their dirt patches in the rural Appalachians and South.

231 Gabe, How about we keep this on a level that is not another flame war.

As I said, even the experts say it is 80% about government and war and 20% religion.

Try reading the Koran once, I have.

232 DrewM; if I had my way there would be no tax exemption for any religion. That was a ruling from a court, it is not written anywhere in the Constitution.

But as to answer your question, yes tax them and treat them like a political party. No different than any other political party.

233

Gabe

You propose that opposition to muslims holding office is equivalent to opposition to catholics having super-secret allegiance to the pope. Its not the case. And even my ansestors were of that persuasion. America is a beacon, the best of,  and not the dregs of old europe. We crush tribalism. We'll crush islam. Its in our genes. Wheather catholic or islam or the rights of kings or the elect of heaven, American liberty will not yield.

234 Thanks for nothing, Gabe.

235

First, Islam is a religion.

Fine. Declare then we war on islam, let the adherents of the formerly known religion as islam defend themselves in America which is at war with their faith around the world. No civil rights violations needed. In fact, protect them. Adapt or die. Maybe you can organize the reformed islamic church of north america.

236

Yeah, I think that bit about non-US citizens still mostly applies.  Mostly.

But in our hypothetical, this is what I think might happen.

We decide to freeze imigration of Muslims.

I think the courts would end up ruling as follows:

"Yes, we take your point that non-US citizens outside of the US don't have Constitutional rights....

BUT....

a.  The imigration agency is subject to the U.S. constitution.  And it  cannot discriminate against Muslims in its policies.

b.  These non-US citizens, when they apply for visas, do in practical point of fact becomes subject to U.S. control at that point (i.e., we control whether they come in or not) so at that point, they do gain certain constituional protections, namely the strict scruitiny standard that laws that discriminate on race or religion have to meet.

Thus we the court find that any law restricting imigration based on a religious test is unconstitutional."

That's just my gut feeling.

237

Opps.  I messed up comment #244

Non US citizens, outside the jurisdiction of the US do not have rights under the US Constitution.

Yes, there is a problem with left leaning courts and administrations (think of thee Tariq Ramadan case, it never made it to SCOTUS because Obama let him in) but that's something we have to deal with all the time.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2010 07:17 PM (X/Lqh)

Yeah, I think that bit about non-US citizens still mostly applies.  Mostly.

But in our hypothetical, this is what I think might happen.

We decide to freeze imigration of Muslims.

I think the courts would end up ruling as follows:

"Yes, we take your point that non-US citizens outside of the US don't have Constitutional rights....

BUT....

a.  The imigration agency is subject to the U.S. constitution.  And it  cannot discriminate against Muslims in its policies.

b.  These non-US citizens, when they apply for visas, do in practical point of fact becomes subject to U.S. control at that point (i.e., we control whether they come in or not) so at that point, they do gain certain constituional protections, namely the strict scruitiny standard that laws that discriminate on race or religion have to meet.

Thus we the court find that any law restricting imigration based on a religious test is unconstitutional."

238 Posted by: The Appalachians and South. at August 19, 2010 08:14 PM (Zsqn4)

The biggest challenge (that would likely hold) is that citizens are allowed to sponsor relatives to come here. If you say to them (US citizens) you can't bring your family here because you/they are Muslims, that would fail a court challenge.

In that case it would be the rights of an American which would be curtailed because of religion.

239 I'd think twice before giving the government power to declare war on a religion.
I promise you the religion they make war on won't be Islam.

240 Again DrewM, its evident that that to bring a child to America, does not mean either way that a Muslim Test is not applicable. I say, disallow the parents and the children. We do lots of other tests and it is in our own self interest to do so. To Deny that is to deny sovergienty.

241  Gabe, How about we keep this on a level that is not another flame war.

As I said, even the experts say it is 80% about government and war and 20% religion.

Try reading the Koran once, I have.

You want proclaim that Islam is not a religion? Cool. I'm just telling you that nobody outside of the fringe will ever agree with you because it's kooky as shit.

And I come on very strong about it because this type of religion-based animosity is exactly contrary to the principles that settled this continent and founded this country and it makes my blood boil for you to crumple up and throw away the First Amendment just because you don't like Muslims.

As RayJ says, you better think long and hard before heading down that road because once you open that door it ain't just Muslims that their gonna come for.

242  And don't gimme any lip about me supporting Islam. I don't. I don't think the Victory Mosque is appropriate and I have no problem scrutinizing (read: profiling) U.S. mosque attendees for terror ties. It's just that, as I posted the other day, I'm something of a First Amendment absolutist.

Trust me. You don't want to live in a country without strong protections for speech, religion, assembly, and protest. Diluting those protections so you can get back at Muslims (who, let's face it, can be comfortably marginalized via electoral means) is short-sighted.

243

Is pulled- pork ever served for the family in the WH?

Has Obama EVER had bacon on a burger at his favorite

haunt?  I don't care, personally.  Oops, the prayer

comes now from the minaret.  I must stop transmission

now....and kneel, facing Mecca.  I'll get back to you

when it's legal, or PC, whichever comes first.

244 People think he's a Muslim because he's a Christian except for the religious part. Subtract religion from Christianity and that leaves Islam.

245 Muslim? 

You do realize that the only religion a Marxist believes in is Marxism. 

246

Ya gotta admit.......what Barney Frank does nightly

would be severely regulated under Sharia law.  That's

the only PLUS I see to building the mosque.

247

In that case it would be the rights of an American which would be curtailed because of religion.

Posted by: DrewM. at August 19, 2010 08:19 PM (X/Lqh)

 

Interesting.  I think the arguements I came up with are still valid, but your point is even more... er... valider.

Righter?

More spot on and more accurate.

248  
Barack Obama is not a Muslim.

And Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman.

How do we know? Because they told us so. Because they say so.

Now suck it you vicious rubes.

249 Its oversimplified to say "Islam is not a religion," it is more clear to say "Islam is not merely a religion."

Its a religion, but it is also a cultural, artistic, literary, legal, governmental, and educational system. It covers all aspects of life down to the details so small as what hand you use to wipe with. That doesn't make it not a religion, any more than Old Testament Judaism wasn't a religion because it was an all-encompassing cultural, judicial, and governmental system as well.

250 Mohammedanism is a religion like your toilet is your house.*

Grok that, those of you who think they believe that the government shall not recognize the establishment of a religion; yet bend over backwards to recognize those who venerate a mass murdering pedophile brigand as "the perfect man" as just a "religion".



*Yes, referring to irrational moon-bat blood-crazed mo-fo people as just being "religious"does insult.

251 Well if he were a GOOD little Christian, things like 'Do not covet' and 'Do not bear false witness' would be nagging at his flip-flopping, redistributing conscience.

It's a funny coincidence that the Communist regimes all happened to be so rabidly atheist/anti-religious, no? Not even Cambodian Buddhism was spared.

252 ed, the microwaveable popcorn bag was invented by Alan R. Anderson of West Chester PA in 1987. United States Patent # 4810844.   Algebra, astronomy, and calculus were invented by the Assyrians, who were Christians, long before the Muslims arrived.   http://tinyurl.com/fo7us    The microwave oven was invented by Percy Spencer, an American, in 1946. 

253

You cannot be a devout adherrant to an idiology that believes there is no law but gods law, Sharia, and honestly take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

The Constitution and Sharia are polar opposites.

If being a man of good character is a requisite for being President, then you could not be a Muslim President of the United States.

To accept the Oath of Office you would either be lying in the Oath, or lying about your faith.

 

254 I think a lot of people say this to a pollster just to fuck with Obama because he's such an asshole. It's a like a big FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING MUSLIM.

255

It looks like the IslamoFascistTechnoBabies are upset with us.

 

256 Re "(lot's of bad people sit in the front row of pews every Sunday around the world)" -- not to mention those who stand BEFORE the front row of pews, e.g., "Reverend" Wright. Twenty years of "liberation theology" that isn't Christian in any way, shape or form had to have had some impact. I believe he is more sympathetic to Islam (a radical cult) than to Christianity.

257 Drew: regarding "Twenty-eight percent of voters do not believe Muslims should be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court. Nearly one-third of the country thinks adherents of Islam should be barred from running for President" Islam is a "deen"; a complete way of life. Sharia is the way of life, like the 10 Commandments and the Golden Rule are the Christian way of life. One of the Commandments is "Thou shalt not steal"..Sharia teaches "thous shall not steal from a brother muslim, or from a non muslim who has "acknowledged the superiority of islam, pays the jizya and is subdued' koran 9:29. ISLAM IS ANATHEMA TO SECULAR DEMOCRACY AND JUDEO-CHRISTIAN CIVILIZATION. Muslim must not be eligible to sit on any of our courts, if they are confessing muslims.

258 this is Sharia, islamic law..religious law which is the basis for most legal systems in the 57 states of the OIC "Islam does not accord non-Muslim relatives the right to inherit from a Muslim. When a believer dies only his Muslim relatives have the right to inherit according to a predefined process. If a Muslim would like to give some of his property to his non-Muslim relatives, it would be better if this were done during his lifetime. After death, his estate cannot be legally distributed to non-Muslims." ................and this is only one example. We cannot allow someone who believe this, whose religion teaches this, to have influence over our legal system.

259 linky http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00456.html

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