1 Oh, go fucking watch Prince of Persia and write one of your jerk-off reviews.

2 Bill Ayers and George Soros win this one. Now we take it back.

3

Too many threads....  Please stop...

 

 

 

4 God, cheer up, people; your life expectancy just went way down.

5 Easy answer: Starting in January 2011, no funding for any of the programs necessary to implement this. Repeal will come in 2013.

6
We can rally tomorrow to take back Congress, repeal the bill, and impeach the Communist in Chief's ass once we get subpeona power and are able to find out all the laws he's broken to pass this one.




Man that felt really good, even if it wont happen.

7 1 Oh, go fucking watch Prince of Persia and write one of your jerk-off reviews.

ergie, your Kos-fu is weak.  How about you play a nice game of hide-and-go-fuck-yourself?

8

I'm done being bummed.  Now I am pissed.

Battle lost - and a huge battle at that - but the war has just begun.

Play fire with fire and use every tool available to take our country back.  We have the people on our side.

 

9

I predict that this blog will have a thread up this evening called the ONT and that Maetenloch will be the author of it.

10 The Shining City on the Hill has just been shat on by a couple hundred self important screw ups...I am sick

11 Down With Health Care!

That'll be a winner in November.

12 Thus begineth the United States of Europe West.

13 Man, Juan Williams really is an asshole, isn't he?

14 Yikes.

15
There's a communist living in the white house.

16 9 I predict that this blog will have a thread up this evening called the ONT and that Maetenloch will be the author of it.

I predict Bob will still be an insufferable bore - tonight and every night.

17 Tea Party needs to morph.

No more tea.

TAR AND FEATHER Party.

18
noooo, I don't wanna grieve.

Grieving is for losers. Now is the time for ideas.

19 It has sunk in...for me. Now the ONLY question of import is how quickly we turn our energies to November and throwing out every one of the dems...tasty huh???

20 That'll be a winner in November.

I would be willing to bet that it will be.

21 Fuck you Steny. 

22
Since no benefits are distributed until year five, what resistance will there be from the citizens to repealing the taxes in years 1-4? The only thing that could screw up Republicans flushing this turd are "moderates" like the Arizona Asshole.

23 “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”

fuck Obama... kill the funding for the bullshit, kill the funding for all his other programs and plans, haul all his sycophants in to testify under oath, and drive him from the White House in 2012, if not sooner.

no more liberals, no more RINOS.

24 Ya know.. prosperity and freedom are way overrated anyways..

25 While capitalism is still working - I'm starting a pitchfork company....

26 Run on repealing this monstrosity?

I'd vote for that.

27 The only way this thing ever gets repealed is a sudden and dramatic revelation that Obama really was born in Kenya, or wherever and his signature is no longer legal.

There is no way the GOP is ever going to have the guts, or even want to repeal this. The Rino's will be fine with tweaking and trimming the abomination in their new role as Euro-weenie Christian Democrats.

28
...when we take back Congress

whoa look at the optimist!!!

That's the way, bro.

29

Oh well! So much for America the prosperous. Now you'll be just like Canada, broke, taxed at 50% and waiting 6 months to see a doctor.

Except y'all will be rude about it.

30 Mark Steyn is really starting to get on my nerves.  There is never any hope for victory in his mind.  Dude, some of us are still not giving up, even if you are.

31

I predict that sometime in the not too distant future ace will post something that at least three other co-bloggers covered earlier that day.

Watch !

32

I'm trying to remember who is was on Fox that spoke to how much of what congress is doing will not require the tough part to begin until after Obama is out of office. He will stand around and say that he delivered FOR America and that the moment a Republican got into office our taxes went up and the economy worsened and our debt tripled, etc...

The sad part is that many voters will never, ever track it back to what congress is doing right now.

Think about it, how many people still blame Reagan for the financial disaster that he inherited?

33 Every Democrat in Congress should be jailed and their assets seized. Their families should be rounded up and shipped to some other country.

34 The tragically naive and the profoundly stupid, led by the overtly evil have finally triumphed in America.

35  Hmfp.

 When are you folks going to face reality and admit that The Constitution is no longer in effect?

 ...and how many of you will hide behind your curtains when he government sends SWAT teams to arrest your neighbors in the middle of the night? ...or will you stand with your neighbors, protecting one another against government violence, tyranny and oppression?

36

Kratos, that chaos thing....so it's starting today right?

Just  making sure I have it right on my calendar.

37 Stupak's challenger:
Join and DONATE

38 Look on the bright side, knuckleheads. The states are broke, unemployment is unlikely to improve in the near-term. And who knows, maybe we can luck out with a high-profile terror attack. Things could turn your way.

Hope!

39 A big win in congress and this puppy is toast.

40 37Kratos, that chaos thing....so it's starting today right?

More than likely.  You must remember though that chaos moves at it's own place, so it could start today or wait a few weeks.

Regardless, it has been called and it will come!

41 Man, Juan Williams really is an asshole, isn't he?

Posted by: LibertarianJim at March 21, 2010 06:42 PM (86FvD)

Hey, fuck you, pal.

42 Mark Steyn is really starting to get on my nerves.  There is never any hope for victory in his mind.  Dude, some of us are still not giving up, even if you are.

He's just being realistic. Nobody has the balls or the resources to reverse this cluster fuck.

43 Because the best option -- repealing the bill -- will be impossible until a real President is installed and next-to-impossible thereafter.

Baloney. Like the Democrats, you're underestimating the rage of the electorate.

A red line has been crossed. The reaction from the electorate--the ones who consent to be governed as long as the government wields power responsibly--will be unprecedented.

I know it's too much to ask that you stop with your defeatism, but seriously: If you keep telling us we can't win, then enough people will believe you and not bother fighting.

You're doing Obama's work for him.

44 Rahm Emanuel: Reid? Harry Reid? How am I gonna make a livin' on these deadbeats? Where did you get this one from the morgue? B. Hussein Obama: Look I'm... Rahm Emanuel: Oh come on, what's the point? What's the fucking point in any case I gotta argue with you, I gotta knock heads with the Congress, I'm busting my balls to sell your dirt to deadbeats. [waves the Reconciliation Bill] Rahm Emanuel: Money in the orthopedic mattress.

45
oh, eggmcmuffin, don't try to hide your disappointment. You hate this bill almost as much we do.

46 Every Democrat in Congress should be jailed and their assets seized. Their families should be rounded up and shipped to some other country.

That seems very narrow.  Can we include their cheerleaders in the MSM, SEIU, etc?

47

This will NOT stand.  It doesn't take a majority, just a handful of dedicated patriots, to carry the ball.

This too, will pass.  We'll win.  In spite of all the Mobys, concern trolls, and eeyores.  Get on my back.  I'll help carry you.  Deserving, though, you're not.

48 I think it's over, folks.  Or I'm just too old to fight this shit anymore.  You young sprouts will have to take it on.  My life, after today, is on a very short leash.

49 MUST.STAY.POSITIVE. Remember all those kids who ran up the beach first in Normandy.. they just got punked.

50 On an optimistic note, this bill become a galvanizing issue for the TP'ers and the GOP for NOV and beyond. No one wants this bill, when it becomes a mess even less will want it.

Remember it took a Jimmy Carter to give us Ronald Reagan

51 @ 36  ...and how many of you will hide behind your curtains when he government sends SWAT teams to arrest your neighbors in the middle of the night?

Oh Jesus tapdancing Christ on a popsicle stick. This kind of delusional paranoia was ridiculous enough when the Left engaged in it about Bush. It doesn't gain any credibility when deployed by the Right.

52 There is no way the GOP is ever going to have the guts, or even want to repeal this. The Rino's will be fine with tweaking and trimming the abomination in their new role as Euro-weenie Christian Democrats.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 21, 2010 06:44 PM (593B

I have no doubt in my mind that is why the so-called grass-roots coffee party was started, to operate in direct opposition to anything the GOP tries to roll back when they take power. Knowing the msm, if ten of them show up to protest, they will say at least ten thousand of them showed up.

Also, knowing the current GOP like I do, when they are called out as being a bunch of rich, old, white meanies who want to deny poor people and minorities their health care, they will shrink back and cower from the barrage and do absolutely nothing. That is why idiots like McCain, Graham and those two old spinsters from Maine have got to go.

53 I don't understand how the states are going to be able to pay for the things that they are going to be tasked with in this bill. The "school health clinics" alone will tip some states over the edge, even with government help. To put the bureaucracy in place necessary to run the things ordered by the law is going to cost each state big time.

54 42 37Kratos, that chaos thing....so it's starting today right?

More than likely.  You must remember though that chaos moves at it's own place, so it could start today or wait a few weeks.

Regardless, it has been called and it will come!



You know Kratos, I used to be amused by your chaos schtik..but I'm becoming a true believer.

55 Too many Beta males on the Right.....where are all the REAL men?

They should be sacking DC right now!

56 Steny Hoyer:

"Perhaps we should repeal Medicare".

Thousands cheer.

57

Example why this won't work.......

As I said before, I am German and lived there till I was 20. Now the unified Germany has a population of 85 million tops. What was once a good start for healthcare in a divided Germany is now a crushing taxation. Income tax is skyrocketin, not to mention VAT, but the services keep getting lowered, co pays get increased and still the German economy is in shambles. My mother still lives there and she cannot afford the doctor bills, because her small pension stayed the same for years while the bills went up. And that is only for 85 million. Imagine the beaurocracy for a pop. of 300 million? No way in hell without bankrupting this country.

Excuse my spelling....

58
AoS starting to shit bed.

If it goes down, we meet at 'new' AoS

59 I like Steyn.  But he is wrong, there is a third way.  No funding and start dismantling piece by piece.  How you say?  The same way the left did to us, methodically.  Insurance companies can partner with hospitals, etc, they can fund campaign commercials now, thank you supremes, docs can stop taking medicare patients, people can take the maximum exemptions on their taxes, lawsuitpalooza, if you see a dem congressman in a pizza restaurant, boo him or her out of there, every dem campaign stop should be raucous, shout those bastards down. More billboards, more obama socialist posters, takeover state legislatures this fall in every red or purple state, it is fucking on people, I will not go quietly into the night and stand by and do nothing while my children grow up under socialism.

We have learned our lesson, it only takes about 2% of the population to effect these things, the left has taught us.

60 I can't be the only one that thinks it's hilarious that Rep Hoyer is saying this is a bipartisan bill because Nixon talked about healthcare reform in the 1970's

61 In the end it wasn't even close.  Dickhead Moris wrong again.  Pelosi played us like suckers.

62 Too many Beta males on the Right.....where are all the REAL men?

They should be sacking DC right now!

I should like to receive your newsletter.  And pictures of you and your sister.

63 @ 56 After that the majority of healthcare providers (hospitals, clinics, etc) go belly up followed by the states. Then the federal government steps in and takes over.

That's been the Democrat plan all along. Incremental steps towards single-payer healthcare.

64 Yeah, this kills Mitt Romney.

What about Paul Ryan? Nominate him.

65 The reality is this country will collapse long before the full effects of this big steaming pile of shit take place. The passage of this Marxist wet dream only hastens the inevitable. The quicker it collapses the quicker we can restore some piece of North America back to the principles of our Founding Fathers.

66 I don't give repeal long odds. None of the other entitlements ever got repealed. Prohibition, yes, but that was not an entitlement.

67 ...we will be faced with two vicious choices: Raise taxes ruinously, or allow the country to repudiate its debt and go bankrupt. Because the best option -- repealing the bill -- will be impossible until a real President is installed and next-to-impossible thereafter. Please take Ace's prognosis seriously, and not as a jeremiad or lament. It is just plain true. It will be monumentally difficult to dislodge this bill until there is a President and Congress willing to do so by conventional means. That cannot happen for three freakin' years, if we're lucky. It is the next few years that will tell the story. The taxes start now, yes? And the gubmint cannot raise enough taxes to cover the expenses even if they wanted to. So it's back to the printing press. What else can happen? Has anyone ever seen an economy as large as the USSA's run deficits and debt this high? Are there no consequences?

68 @54 Then you know what to look for. We need to do a better job of screening at the primaries- If you're not a solid against O'Care then you don't get the nod. And if you're a Satan worshipping alcoholic who insists on sleeping with his campaign photographer in front of his cancer stricken wife but will vote against this monstrosity, I'll write you a check on the spot and happily give my vote.

69 People, we need to switch from calling Democrat Congress--well, beings, I can't call them men--to calling the Republicans (suffix as yet undetermined).  We need to make it clear that we won't tolerate the GOP rolling over on this.

70 You know Kratos, I used to be amused by your chaos schtik..but I'm becoming a true believer.

Posted by: beerologist at March 21, 2010 06:52 PM (tgXx6)

Goats.  He likes perfumed goats.

71
Hoyer lies!
How he can point to bankrupt social security and medicare programs as shining examples of what this bill will mean to the nation with a straight face is surreal.

72 Catastrophic health care was enacted in 1988 and repealed in 1989.  So, yes, an entitlement has been repealed.

73 Steny Hoyer:

Naming the cadre.

74 Gee, Ergie, you sound kind of pissed off that your statist dreams are getting exposed for the terminal illnesses they are....

75 Actually, Mark, it's exactly as bad as we're thinking.

76


I cant wait for Obama to address the nation tonight. I'm going out to buy a new pvc pipe and a fresh gerbil to celebrate the occasion.

77 yeah, I'm all over Paul Ryan. He is young though. Let's hope his dick doesn't get him in trouble before he can save the country.

78 Goats.  He likes perfumed goats.

Yes. Yes, I do.

79

Cantor and Ryan are quietly pushing the “Repeal and Replace” the legislation for Health Care. They understand that to just repeal it would be characterized by their opponents as taking something away from the citizens. What I have heard so far, they want to systematically get rid of the bad parts and replace it with more palatable solutions.

80 One of the last things mark levin said on friday was that he would try in the courts but he couldn't guarantee anything as the judge is the judge.  Made me think they have already sent him the word that he lost.

81 Mass hysteria !! warren Bonesteel why aren't you yourself out in front on this ?

82 Too many Beta males on the Right to repeal.

83 That is why idiots like McCain, Graham and those two old spinsters from Maine have got to go.

Posted by: Blazer at March 21, 2010 06:51 PM (t72+4)

Exactly. They lack the will to fight, and in their cases they despise conservatives more than they do the so-called progressives.

Many will say that the passage of this bill means we should support anyone as long as they are blessed by the GOP, but if they kinda sorta half-way agree with Obama, then why should we expect them to fight this?

84 I cant wait for Obama to address the nation tonight. I'm going out to buy a new pvc pipe and a fresh gerbil to celebrate the occasion.

Posted by: Bob at March 21, 2010 06:58 PM (t72+4)

I'm taking a well-earned night off.

85 How he can point to bankrupt social security and medicare programs as shining examples of what this bill will mean to the nation with a straight face is surreal.

Same way all these criminals keep standing up and talking about the huge "deficit reduction."  They are absolutely shameless.

86 brett beier just said "we will have it fair, balanced" and he dropped his voice and said "and unafraid".

87 61 So.. if Mitt RomneyCare wins the nomination and the Presidency..

What are the odds of him repealing it?

Posted by: Dave C at March 21, 2010 06:54 PM (qmecx)

That's exactly why Romney should not be the GOP nominee.  He's no transformational conservative leader like is required now.  I don't know who it is either...Paul Ryan?  John Thune?  But let's hope someone emerges soon.

88 Nobody has the balls or the resources to reverse this cluster fuck.

But somebody has the ovaries.

89 Fuck! Shep Smith again?! I thought we got a break from him on Sundays.

90 "Let's hope his dick doesn't get him in trouble before he can save the country."

What is with you Americans? Why do you give a shit if young healthy powerful men use their dicks for what the dicks of young healthy powerful men are meant to do to exceedingly willing women, plural?

91 They have 220 votes just read someone's twitter feed.

92 No, it's not time to grieve.
It's time to regroup.
Never, ever give up.  We've always known we were dealing with thieves.  Now that they've shown their hand, it's time to get down to the business of tossing their asses out.  I'm not weepy, or sick, or in any mood to grieve.  I'm pissed.  More pissed than I've ever been at a group of politicians - maybe more than I've ever been pissed, period. 

93 This will bankrupt the states. Tennessee had to almost do away totally with TennCare. It was draining the budget. I don't understand why so many are saying it cannot be undone. The real affects of this will not even hit for over 4 years except for the taxes and a few other things. So why do people think America will fall in love with this healthcare program before we get a chance to get rid of it? We can change anything if we get together and make it happen.

94 you know, i kind of now know what its like to have been a muslim on 9/12

95 Do the research, Vile Roman.

 or google, "Beyond Conspiracy: Police State America." Law, lesgislation, executive orders, military plans, national and international peer-reviewed experts and papers, MSM articles...

Keeping in mind that the material is over a year old and doesn't include recent legislation that has been passed - and executive orders signed - while everyone was screaming about health care...

 Also see: "A reader's resources on systemic collapse."

  Then, read some history, while remembering that America is not the exception to the rule. If it were, Obama and the Marxist-led congress wouldn't be a part of our present reality.

96

I can hardly wait to hear from David Brooks.

97 Grieve? One must feel sadness to grieve. All I feel is hatred.

98 Once an entitlement is established, it cannot be repealed.  So 2012, getting rid of Obama is our last hope.

After that, all you can do is modify the entitlement to make it less worse.

99 Total Political War.
Nothing moves in Congress now, between now and November.  Including judges.  Pressure every possible state government to nullify Ocare on 10th Amendment and other grounds.  State AG's file federal suits.  Someone has to get Tea Party groups organized and call a 5-million person DC march.  Come January, 2011, the pieces of this crap sandwich get absolutely zero authorization or appropriations.  IRS is specifically prohibited in new spending bills to use resources to enforce it.  If Bambi objects to the spending bills, he can veto them.  Unlike 1995, no backing down to the president on spending bills--if he blocks them, he owns the shutdown.

One last thing.  Everyone needs to become a Refusnik.  Refuse to submit.  Refuse to fill out IRS Ocare sections of tax forms.  Personal nullification. Make them come and get it.  Molon Labe.

100 they want to systematically get rid of the bad parts and replace it with more palatable solutions.

What are the parts that aren't bad?

Not being sarcastic (for once).  Every single thing I've read about it is sucks--is there something else?

101 The Day Bob Took Over the Blog

102
Don't forget to blame the social conservatives!

You guys are going through the AoS Stages of Loss.

First it's inflated optimism. Then it's scapegoating (and deflecting) by calling out 'concern trolls' and 'eeyores.'

Then it's disbelief and denial.

Then, anger. That's where we we're at now. Anger. And if I'm right, you're just about to turn on the social conservatives, the final stage of AoS Loss.

103

More importantly, there needs to be a first time--second if you count the 1988 bill which never went into effect.

Keep in mind that until Reagan liberated Grenada in 1982--a liberation greeted gratefully by the local populace--it could be said that no country had ever been freed from Communism.  Seven years later, all of eastern Europe was, and the USSR itself fell in 1991.

Also, until 2004, no federal gun control law had ever been repealed.  In that year, the "assault weapons ban" was sunsetted amid growing public opposition to gun control.  In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned the DC ban on firearms; gun control increasingly looks like a lost cause for the Left.

Having turned the tide against Communism and gun control, there is no reason whatsoever that we can't turn the tide against welfare state entitlements beginning with repealing this bill and then moving on to Medicare and Social Security.

104

Christoph:

Go away.

Because it shows a lack of judgement. See John Edwards/Bill Clinton et al

105 What the ever loving fuck is this "donut hole" shit? 

And who fucked up Waxman's nosejob?

106 What is with you Americans? Why do you give a shit if young healthy powerful men use their dicks for what the dicks of young healthy powerful men are meant to do to exceedingly willing women, plural?

Posted by: Christoph at March 21, 2010 07:01 PM (0fq7b)

Christoph, no matter what happens to us, we'll always be superior to a moose-fucking Canadian such as yourself.

Now go kill yourself. We're going to be too busy saving our own asses to prop yours up anymore.

107

Cantor and Ryan are quietly pushing the “Repeal and Replace” the legislation for Health Care. They understand that to just repeal it would be characterized by their opponents as taking something away from the citizens. What I have heard so far, they want to systematically get rid of the bad parts and replace it with more palatable solutions.

Posted by: FLGirl at March 21, 2010 06:59 PM (sunrw)

Cantor is not the knight in shining armor Virginians think him to be. He gets a case of linguini spine every now and again. Last year, instead of putting himself out front and center at the start and opposing this monstrosity, he chose to go to townhalls with that douchebag Bobby Scott and find some kind of bi-partisan common ground.

Thankfully the tea parties brought him back to reality.

108 And Cap and Trade is just a precursor for taking over the energy companies. Just a reminder. The Deemons only need a couple more things and they will own the country.

109 @73 Jolly Roger

That's the spirit!

110 Just askin, but do the 300 million of us necessarily have to abide by this law?  I mean there's like what, 300 of them?

111 Oh, hey, firedoglake is reporting that Ogabe released his EO without ever showing it to the pro-choicers -- and they are livid -- and NOW has released a scathing statement.  In which they refer to abortion as "reproductive health care." 

112 Politics = Money....Money = Politics....That Simple Give as much as you can to real conservative candidates, starting right now...and throughout the entire campaign season.

113

A tax revolt is the only answer.

I repeat.

A tax revolt is the only answer.

114 Man, if we ever do get a real commenter here named Bob, he's gonna have a rough time of it.

115

@103:

His POS buddy David Frum is already blaming the GOP.

Fuck I would love to hurt that subhuman piece of shit.

116 I don't understand why so many are saying it cannot be undone.

This has been discussed over and over again. You don't take what looks like a steak away from a pack of filthy, ravenous pit bulls. The genie can't be put back in the bottle.

117 Huh.  I guess the thing passed.

Like I said it would.

A week ago.

I guess all the local clowns don't want to bet their money any longer.

No matter.

Dry your tears, enjoy ObamaCare up your ass, and repeat after me:

"Just vote for the guy with the (R) after his name.  Even if it's Lincoln Chafee."

118 What are the parts that aren't bad?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 07:04 PM (OkT2m)

The space in between the pages.

119 Wow, I just got a call from John Boehner and the NRC asking me to donate to to their campaign to unseat Democrats in November. They were very aggressive even when I said I wouldn't give a CC number over the phone. All I could think was "that was fast, the vote wasn't even finished and the message from Boehner was 'we lost the health care vote.'"

120
In which they refer to abortion as "reproductive health care."

el-oh-el, we truly do live in Bizarro Universe

121 Don't forget the corruption here.  That makes this whole thing dirty.  And I don't care what Cao does, this is a 100% Democrat deal.

The most corrupt legislation in history.  The biggest tax increase in history.

122
And rape is...

unrequited love.

123 Look, its one man, one vote, one time. Just like in Iran.

It's OVER. This thing is never going to be repealed. EVER.

What can be done, however, is limit it. Argue to White voters that someone is going to get screwed. Either it will be Blacks and Hispanics, or Whites. But someone is going to get preferential treatment, someone is going to be preferred in Medical School, someone is going to get all the student loans in the takeover of Student Loans, and someone will get nothing.

Don't let it be Whites. Let it be non-Whites, and make sure that non-Whites are an ever decreasing not increasing part of the population.

Sure this will be called "racist" but so what? It is true that the Government will pick racial winners and losers.

The argument that wins is that Whites MUST be the dominant force in population and politics.

First up is Obama's plan to make instant citizens of half of Mexico. So we ought to point out, particularly to White Women, we can pay for NOW without new taxes and loss of quality, free breast cancer screening every six months and world class treatment, as long as we kick out every possible illegal, and restrict Welfare folks from getting it.

This means ignoring being called racist, or even saying, of course EVERYONE particularly Blacks and Hispanics are racist and we as Whites simply want the best deal for us, rather than taking the back of the bus. Since SOMEONE is going to the back of the Bus, and we don't want it to be us. Simple as that.

But lets be honest. This national healthcare will NEVER EVER EVER be repealed. EVER. And America as a force in the world is FINISHED. We will be at best a fifth-rate power dependent on China, Iran, Russia, India, and Russia's good will. This is the triumph of women, gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and SWPL. Who all backed and wanted this.

So let's peel off Women and simply make the best of the bad. National Health, but National Health for Whites FIRST. Because you don't want to be the loser in the racial spoils system. And there will ALWAYS be a racial spoils system.

I would have preferred a private system where Government does not control who lives and dies by allocating health care, or education, or who gets into Med School. But that's not the case. Someone is going to lose. There is not enough money in the world, let alone the US for that not to happen.

124

113...

Hmmm. Donuts.

125 Large tea party protest today in Denver.  Flying in today to start a week of a conference I was tempted to join them.  Instead, feeling sick to my stomach, I've hunkered down in my hotel room.

I feel bad that I don't have the fire to join the protest but I am so angry and exhausted on this administration I will need to regroup so that I can be more effective.

126 Just got back to Longview. With Stupak "caving", how many votes did we lose by?

127 @107. The IRS already has that procedure down. When confronted with a tax revolt, here is their method. 1) pick out a few high profile non compliant types, the higher profile, the better. You don't need to prosecute all of them. Not even one percent of them. Just some. 2) come down on them like a Ton of Fucking Bricks. Make sure it gets publicity. Lots of it. Our statist media is only too happy to oblige. 3) stand back and watch as the rest of us fall in to line.

128 122

A tax revolt is the only answer.

I repeat.

A tax revolt is the only answer.

I've been to lazy to do my taxes yet..gonna file an extension on April 14th..

129 I started reading this blog during the election. There was this pompous guy who like to demean people just for the pyrrhic victory. I thought he was banned because the IQ and civility went up in both Canada and here. Guess I was wrong.

130 Wow, God's not happy, it is suddenly storming like crazy here.

131 Mark Steyn writes an article and the quitters come out like cockroaches.Don't let Canadians get you down we're not Tory squishes we're Americans.

132 125 - You don't take what looks like a steak away from a pack of filthy, ravenous pit bulls. Where I live you can.

133

You're dancing in the street

hell no, i'm a democrat cab driver

i hear the pitter patter of torch and pitchforks acoming

but i have the moronettes to save me, right ladies?  ummmm,ladies.....

134 you know, i kind of now know what its like to have been a muslim on 9/12

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 21, 2010 07:02 PM (gg4j2)

Did you catch my letter of love to you a few posts down?  *kisses*

135 We're going to be too busy saving our own asses to prop yours up anymore.

Silver lining--going to be fun watching Canada try to defend itself.

Nothing against the guys in Kandajar, they're awesome, but there's not enough of 'em.

136 119 Oh, hey, firedoglake is reporting that Ogabe released his EO without ever showing it to the pro-choicers -- and they are livid -- and NOW has released a scathing statement.  In which they refer to abortion as "reproductive health care." 

Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2010 07:06 PM (9Wv2j)

Good.  Let them froth at the mouth with rage. Fuckers are responsible for the shit that just went down today, the shit that's gone down the past 15 months, and everything that will go down until that fucker is out of the oval office.  Their tears are like sweet sweet candy.  How dare they feel they have the right to be even mildly irritated, let alone angry.

137 Old and Busted: The Road to Serfdom. The New Hotness: Das Kapital

138 Once taxes hit on everything folks will wake up.Once jobs go, folks will wake up, once states start declaring bankruptcy folks will wake up Hatch act has been violated is that an impeachable offens?e

139 Canada is just a woodtick on the ass of the USA.

140 With Stupak "caving", how many votes did we lose by?

They have not voted on it yet.  There have been a bunch of procedural votes.  They are debating the bill now.

141

That's exactly why Romney should not be the GOP nominee.  He's no transformational conservative leader like is required now.

He's worse than that.  He's quietly been letting it known to the Beltway media that he's pro-gun control.

142 Well, I'm pretty bummed. My boss's boss has been implying that the continuation of my position will depend on whether this bill passes or not. I'm a full-time employee, but technically my position is part-time, through Manpower.

I'm probably screwed.

143
Having turned the tide against Communism and gun control, there is no reason whatsoever that we can't turn the tide against welfare state entitlements beginning with repealing this bill and then moving on to Medicare and Social Security.

Ken is right on. Everyone knows Social Security and Medicare are a) bankrupt and b) preparing to drag our economy down with them. The only way the Obama Party could even bring this monstrosity up was to pretend that it would help "save" Social Security and Medicare and "control costs".

So the Republicans present people with a stark choice; you can have one, you can have two with some fixing, but there's no way we can afford three without a massive tax increase on everyone and accepting a permanent shrinkage of our economy. Then they hit them with how the Obama Party lied to them on the numbers, and then point out that ObamaCare, since the only thing that's started on it are the taxes and fees, is by far the easiest to repeal.

That's the real Achilles heel of this bill -- the fact that, in order to hide the numbers, they had to push the benefits out and assess the taxes now. There will be immediate and HARD economic impact with zero benefit -- and the Republicans need to hammer that home.

144 For now, let's grieve over the damage that's been done in one fell blow.

Steyn totally skipped over the fact that the profit in our health care system is what drives the world's medical advancement.  That will all fall into stagnation and the whole world is going to see the effects.  As nature is in a battle with us, any reduction in our medical advances results in more deaths (tons more) and even putting us at greater risk for truly catastrophic problems.

I would just note that the one part of ShrillaryCare that got through was the government essentially taking over the vaccination business (not exactly, but like this health scare, the federal government became the largest customer and that served to give them effective control).  As a result, the number of companies producing vaccines dropped from like 25 to 2, and that is why we are constnatly late in getting vaccinations.  Lucky for us that the Swine flu was a joke (as the other 5 flu scares that the federal government has tried to run on us) because if it had been for real, we were totally unprepared and would have been truly fucked.

145

You know what would really go good with this thread? A douchebag Canuckistanian taking a dump all over it.

146 Christoph is a Newfi too. Right?

147

 

I'm here to receive my long awaited lemonades!

 

 

148 Professor John Cochrane of the Booth Graduate School of Business at the University of Chicago talked about this in a forum over a year ago. They were talking about the bailout of the banks. Essentially, Cochrane said that the US would have to print money and have hyperinflation to save them. He also alluded to the tax and spend policy of the current administration. The Chicago Fed Governor asked, "What do you want us to do default?" Cochrane said, "YES". One time and one time only. Then you promise never ever to do it again. It is the best economic alternative.

149 @125 If we're right, there is no goddamn steak for the dogs, especially for 4 years. Only taxes layoffs. Lets see if people want to trade substandard care for jobs

150 "Cantor and Ryan are quietly pushing the “Repeal and Replace” the legislation for Health Care. They understand that to just repeal it would be characterized by their opponents as taking something away from the citizens. What I have heard so far, they want to systematically get rid of the bad parts and replace it with more palatable solutions."

Cantor's a spineless tool, but that's a discussion for another day. Ryan's the man, and Repeal and Replace could actually be great, because the system as it is now is messed up (though obviously obamacare is a million times worse), and this might be just what it takes to get the needed reforms (letting individuals freely buy the plans they choose across state lines, creating a real free market with real transparent pricing, etc) put in place. Who knows, if we fight our butts off, by the time the dust settles, 2010 could be the year healthcare was truly fixed.

151 I am about to dig up Joe McCarthy and buy him a drink. The seeds have grown into full grown weeds. There will be no way to pull them out now with out civil war. Tares and the wheat comes to mind. Time to get sober and efficient.

152
My mistake: I forgot the bashing Mitt Romney stage.

153 Man.  Stupid is as Stupak does.

154 Vote Green all over.

155 Yeah, great, now children can get vaccinated for polio when they are like 32

156

138...

Was it Nick the Dick? There have been a lot of folks like him dropping by.

157 To bonesteel and ergie ...
I ain't no fuckin' coward !

158

156  you, your grave, my piss

some assembly required   _{i sound more and more like blazer every day}

159 To my detractors:

Fine, fuck you and your country anyhow.

It looks like the majority of your countrymen are a bunch of socialists mixed you lot: pansyish, Pollyanish, and/or fatalist hope for the best but do nothing quasi-conservatives -- but really dependents.

The American Revolution, this is not.

160 Just realized when flipping to MSNBC(only for a quick view of the enemy), the regularly scheduled show for last hour was "Witness to Jonestown". How appropriate a title for the Kool-Aid drinkin' Democrats! There should be a test for anyone wanting to run for Congress. I am truly nauseous!

161 I've been all over the internet today, trying to find any confirmation of the accusations made against the Tea Partiers yesterday, namely that they spat at and hurled racial epithets at black congressional Democrats. And... nothing. Except, of course, video and audio proof that it didn't happen.

So why were Fox and Friends talking about it this morning as though it did? Didn't anyone at that network stop and use one brain cell to ask this question: In this day and age of cellphone cameras, in a setting that ensured the presence of scads of media looking for anything to use against the Tea Party protesters, why was there not one shred of audio or visual evidence? Not one Joe Citizen or congressional aide or media person has produced anything to back it up? Not possible and not believable. You can be sure that if any proof of Tea Partiers spitting or yelling "n_____" existed, it would be looped non-stop on MSNBC or CNN.

In the long annals of media malfeasance, this might be the worst. Sadly, it isn't nearly as bad as what's coming.

162 It has occurred to me too that this was a backdoor ploy to force military reductions upon future presidents and congresses.  Entitlements always come first.  Always.

Well world, the training wheels are coming off now whether you like it or not.  We simply won't be able to afford to have your back anymore.  Good luck with that.

163

And who knows, maybe we can luck out with a high-profile terror attack. Things could turn your way.

Hey, Commiecrats turned Dhimmicrats like you like that sort of thing. "Little Eichmanns" and all that.

164 You too Christopher robin .

165

If any part of HCR is repealed between now 2012, Obama will veto.  Republicans will need majorities in both houses sufficient to override Obama's veto.  That is the only hope through 2012.  Any attempt to repeal after 2012, assuming a Republican president would require a filibuster-proof Republican majority in the Senate.  That is the only hope after 2012.  This bill is so incredibly bad, one or both of those things MIGHT be achievable.  Short of a coup, those are the only options.  As Mark Steyn notes, the dismantling of the military will be the next step.  In ten years, heck, in five years, the world will be a very different place.

166 Paul Ryan deserves our thanks for trying to stop this evil. He & the others in the GOP couldn't stop it, but from what I heard is that they tried.

Stupak is a turn-coat of the worst kind. Obama will just sign another EO after this is done.

167 To my detractors:

lol!!!  Like there's anything else here, you fucking douchenozzle.  Go re-inflate your "girlfriend" and leave this to the grown-ups.

168 and NOW has released a scathing statement.

I can't wait until their founding members start getting told they're too old for the free chemotherapy, but they can opt for a free shot of pentobarbitol.

169 He's worse than that.  He's quietly been letting it known to the Beltway media that he's pro-gun control.

Posted by: Ken at March 21, 2010 07:10 PM (fh5xr)

Yeah, that, too.  He's certainly no conservative, though I voted for him in the '08 primary after Fred Thompson dropped out of the race.  I did it with the hope that conservatives could stop McCain from winning the nomination, as McCain is even worse than Romney (though both are obviously far superior to Barry).  Romney is a moderate that is the exact type of effin' squishy moderate that helped to get us in this mess.

170 Over the next seven months Republicans will run on a single plank platform of "repeal the bill" -- They will win in November

This will prompt more Republicans to take up this cause for the election in 2012. They too will win.

Because so many Republicans ran on this promise, they will work to repeal. Like the contract with america is will become a promise that can not be weazled out of.

Meanwhile, the media, doctors, business, and the public will come to understand what is in the bill and they will not like it.

We will be faced  exploding deficits and even DC will admit that something must be done, but what? The easy answer will be repeal and start over.

There will be three factions in this fight (1) the taxpayers and business that hate the costs, (2) All sane citizens that fear the deficits, and (3) the health industry. US Doctors have never been 3rd world bureaucrats like in UK and they will come to understand that (a) their paychecks are going to drop, and (b) the public is going to start treating them like DMV slugs.

Steyn has made a lot of hay being a cultural pessimist, and although I respect his cry I also think he is plastering over a lot of the distinctions that make USA great. Face it, if we were just like EU we would not be having this fight.

171
To my detractors:

Fine, fuck you and your country anyhow.



Please, by all means, tell us how you really feel you pusilanimous fucktard.

172

Ace, to your last point - do Republicans really want any power now that the poison pill has been swallowed?  The delayed fuze is actually brilliant - pass it, get out of the way and let the other guy take responsibility for "breaking" their perfect solution.

 The question is what do we do now?  Vote 3rd party and let the Progressives tank this thing completely or is there a chance to undo much of the socialism that is bankrupting the country?

 

173 It has occurred to me too that this was a backdoor ploy to force military reductions upon future presidents and congresses.  Entitlements always come first.  Always.

Five year plan.

174

http://bit.ly/bMmTrv

 

Action item on Facebook;   Apperently this dealership gives Stupak lots of money.

Take the time to contact them and tell them until they can explain why they give money to a guy who supports the murder of babies when its politically convienent.. you will not buy a car there.

175 http://www.repealit.org/

176  Yo, Andy. For the least eleven years I've tried to tell people like you that this was going to happen...and you said I was nuts and worse.

 Before 9-11, the conservative narrative was that Islam was a religion of peace that had been hijacked. When I said differently and provided the references and resources, you said I was nuts. (Not only that, you asked me to tell you what the research meant, because you didn't have time to read it...and you still said I was nuts...)

 In 2003, I warned people to get our from under those mortgages on those big homes they couldn't afford - downsize and use the cash to buy a smaller home free and clear -because the real estate market was over-valued. You said I was nuts.

 When I tried to tell you that AGW was a farce, your objections to it was the legislation and the cost of that legislation. You ignored the science. You said I was nuts...

 When the DOW was over 14,000, and I told people that it would crash within six months, people like you said I was nuts. Then, after it crashed, I said that it was never going to reach those heights again...and people like you said I was nuts.

 ...and most so-called conservatives till believe the progressive, MSM and UN talking points about WMDs in Iraq.

 Today, I tell you that America is headed for a civil war - if we get 'winning the Powerball' kinds of lucky, we'll still have a Velvet revolution - and life as we know it will be over, one way or another. That civil war will begin sometime within the next six months to 24 months, give or take a bit. There'll be a complete collapse of our present government by 2013 - 2014, at the latest.

 The only serious question at this point is whether the next America civil war occurs before, during or after the next world war. All other factors are a mere matter of details and timing.

177 Can we get an open thread for those of not fatalistice enough to think we're in for a long road of misery?

178 Even Andy Roddick lost today in the Indian Wells ATP Masters final, America just can't get a break.

179 We are so screwed, so lets give up. And swat teams will totally will be bustin' down your door soon.

180 It has occurred to me too that this was a backdoor ploy to force military reductions upon future presidents and congresses.

Enlisted men being fined for "unacceptable" insurance will affect (effect?  I haven't eaten all day) recruitment levels.  Has to be by design.

181 So -  I walk into a bar with a Moderate Taliban, a Smart Blonde and a Pro-Life Democrat...

182 71 I don't give repeal long odds. None of the other entitlements ever got repealed. Prohibition, yes, but that was not an entitlement.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 21, 2010 06:56 PM (eo8ss)

True, but let me mention two differences:

A) Other entitlements weren't replacements for a quality system already in place,

and

B) Nobody gets benefits for years, and a good screwing in the meantime.

Act upon it quickly, while the window is open.

183

Ok.

The populace is heading down the path to complete government control. What I'm not certain of is all of the checkpoints. I know a few, what am I missing?

high unemployment.........check

higher taxation.......check

dependency upon the government.....check

indoctrination of youth.......check

disarming the citizenry.......

disbanding the military.......

 

184 @175 I only hope the lefties were (are) right about the military industrial complex. They stand to lose a lot of money. They have a lot of guns. Some assembly required. Has it come to the point where I'm thinking a military coup would be the best option? Jesus. What the hell happened?

185

168  yo christoph

your mom, 18 dudes, three dogs, two horses, and a video camera

some assembly required _{(canadistan cockholster)}

186 It looks like the majority of your countrymen are a bunch of socialists mixed you lot: pansyish, Pollyanish, and/or fatalist hope for the best but do nothing quasi-conservatives -- but really dependents.

Ha. You were first.

187 I speak for myself, but i won't be herded into compliance with this horror show.

188

@137

I always extend. Always. I have lowered my income and will no longer pay the highest tax rate. I think I can slip into the 10% bracket. I will be more aggressive with my deductions and I have ways to do that. I will fight. I have mostly retired. I'm out, they are losing money on me already.

You can do this too, Americans, unless you are young. If you are young, I'm sorry. 

189 @193 The commies/nazis always have awesome armies. Bread, not so much. The euro commies are weak, but they use our army....

190 Cantor's a spineless tool, but that's a discussion for another day.Posted by: Adrian

You know I'll never understand this need to shit all over people on our team.

191 Canada is a leech on the ass of the USA.

192 Blazer, lol, you beat me to it! At least there are two of us here who will never forget what a fraud Cantor is.

193 Posted by: Bitsko at March 21, 2010 07:14 PM (8/KZN)

Fox has gone mad.  Fair and balanced they are no longer.

194 #191 Hey, long time no see! I haven't seen you since we attended that "Democrats with Convictions" Conference.

195 Did a tiny useless breeze just blow by here? Oh no wait, that's just Canada.

Oh no wait, it was a fart.

196 He's just being realistic. Nobody has the balls or the resources to reverse this cluster fuck.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 21, 2010 06:49 PM (554T5)

You know, Sarah Palin is vastly underrated, and Allen West really hasn't hit the national scene in a major way.

197 dude, ncj, seriously, I'm completely serious, change your registration within 19-days, or I'm going to the bone... with a butter knife. 

198 Ah, crap, here comes Bart-the-Babykiller

199 Republicans will need majorities in both houses sufficient to override Obama's veto.  That is the only hope through 2012.

Not necessarily. They need just enough Obama Party members desperate to hold onto their jobs to get to two-thirds, and that shouldn't be difficult. Obama is in the process of turning into what the media made Bush for the Republicans -- something that you have to run away from, rather than support.

Come 2011 when it becomes obvious that Obama's toxicity just took down the entire Obama Party apparatus, expect several Obama Party members with aspirations for the White House to suddenly discover spines and the virtue of opposing Token.

200 Who needs Soviet paratroopers to drop into highschool football fields? Red Scare is coming from inside the house.

201

187...

The problem is, it's not as if we'll arise tomorrow morning and our world will have changed all at once. It will happen over time, a death of a thousand cuts, and the next thing you know you'll look up from your latte to find that you never saw it coming.

I mean, what part of this doesn't warrant an ample amount of fear and loathing and, even, a bit of panic?

202 But lets be honest. This national healthcare will NEVER EVER EVER be repealed. EVER. And America as a force in the world is FINISHED. We will be at best a fifth-rate power dependent on China, Iran, Russia, India, and Russia's good will. This is the triumph of women, gays, Blacks, Hispanics, and SWPL. Who all backed and wanted this.

Posted by: whiskey at March 21, 2010 07:08 PM (t3UKO)

Whiskey? Is that you, Mister SWPL?

Yep, it's you all right. You're the guy who predicted AVATAR would be an enormous box-office failure the week it was released, and then when it instead became the most successful movie of all time you simply moved the goal posts and insisted it won't be profitable and that the reason James Cameron took a 12-year vacation was not because he fucking could, but because he can't find anyone who will let him make movies.

You're one crazy motherfucker, Whiskey old bean, y'know that? Your endless ranting about minorities, gays, and women on your blog, and endless invocation of the term "SWPL" got a little too ridiculous to be credible quite some time back. Don't track Teh Crazee in here, 'K?

Anyway, no, we're not finished. Your state may be, but if I were still hanging around in California, a state that would be instituting a socialized health-care system even if this had failed, I'd feel pretty hopeless too.

This has only begun.

203

I donÂ’t think you can disband the military, doesnÂ’t it just move from upholding an oath to a constitution to ensuring that the dictators remain in office?

 

I mean the Soviet Union had a pretty huge military under communism and they required the men from all the countries they controlled (Estonia etc.) to enlist.

 

I see what you guys mean about Canada and Great Britain, but it seems like our model would more follow the former Soviet Union or China.

204
That loud screeching you hear is the "unsinkable" Federal Titanic scraping against the iceberg of realty. People say something can't be done until someone does it. This horrible bill and the bloated government behind it can be scuttled. Never accept defeat.

205 Canada - inventors of uhhhh.... and creators of ummmmm,

206 "202 #68  That's been the Democrat plan all along. Incremental steps towards single-payer healthcare.

I don't understand why Republican politicians weren't calling this out. This isn't a Health Care Reform bill, it's just a mechanism that leads to a government takeover. It can't not lead to it. Even guys like Ryan were getting bogged down in the dollars and cents of pretend legislative numbers. That's not what the bill was about.

Posted by: lowandslow at March 21, 2010 07:20 PM (GZitp)"

Which makes dumb independents like me think to ourselves "these guys are in collusion".

207

In '88 they passed the catastrophic health care deal---free--free-free but taxed medicare and ss. They had to repeal it when the seniors went friggin' nuts.

When these lefties, the few who pay taxes, start getting charged BEFORE they get their crack, it may not fly.

We'll see

Even crack dealers show you the merchandise before you pay them.

208 @ 186 Yeah, Warren -- you alone were the Voice of Sanity when all around was a country being despoiled. That's the typical pathology of paranoid nutballs throughout history.

209 If you're on the funding side in nonprofit world, start looking for another job.

There is no way in hell congress will not confiscate every endowment and fund there is.

Repeal this monstrosity!

210 Ya know, I really didn't think I could feel good about my country at all today, and then I remembered Canada.

211 Even guys like Ryan were getting bogged down in the dollars and cents of pretend legislative numbers.

That's what Ryan does best, don't blame him.

Ultimately, this is our job.  We need to stop blaming the Congress for not leading us.  We need to stop blaming the right blogosphere.  If we are a grass-roots movement, then the educating comes from us.

212 This isn't a Health Care Reform bill, it's just a mechanism that leads to a government takeover.

That's exactly what it is. Period.

213

know you'll look up from your latte to find that you never saw it coming.

"Sir, we're going to need you to put that latte down, it's no longer legal."

214

Remember that Far Side cartoon where the two vultures are sitting in a tree? One of them says "Fuck it.... let's kill something."

Okay, maybe I enhanced that quote slightly to make it more moron-accessible.

215

editor, i am as of now offically an independant

fuck both parties, right in the ass, just like christoph's mom on a movie set

216 The thought of those magnificent Nimitz class ships rusting away in some forgotten naval boneyard brings me to the brink of tears .
The chinese navy ruling the seas . Tinpot dictators allowed to carry out mass murder all over the world with nary a peep from the United fuckin' Nations . It's ergs new world order .
Man I hate all you left wing fucks .
See what you have wrought , 52 percenters ?

217 What's wrong with Cantor?

218 Well, it's not the end of the world.  Yet.

The Dems have been forced out in the open now.  It should be clear by now to every Independent voter in this country that there are no conservative or moderate Dems.  There are no fiscally conservative Dems.  There are no Right to Life Dems.

They've promised the moon, and they won't be able to deliver.  They've promised not to raise taxes but they will.  They've promised that if we spend $1 Trillion there will be jobs and unemployment will go down.  There aren't and it won't.

Insurance premiums will rise in the face of this new "Health Care Insurance Reform". 

Obama and the Democrats will own all of that.  They own it and they can't deliver.  There will be hell to pay.

219

200...

Nobody is perfect. But, when they pretend to be, they need to be called out for it.

My suggestion, Ace and Co. should pick one Congressman or likely candidate per week and do a robust profile on them. Thereafter, a follow up to their voting records.

Educate as well as report.

220 Canada - inventors of uhhhh.... and creators of ummmmm,

They did give us Celine Dion and Alanis Morrisette....which we failed to interpret as the act of war it was.

221 Garbonzo, that's the thing, he's not on our team! The whole point of the discussion we're having now is to find conservative leaders brave enough to take the steak from the dogs, to go against the mobs and repeal this monstrosity. What I am saying to you and others who aren't in Virginia and didn't follow Cantor's overnight transformation is that when Obama was elected and popular, Cantor was completely in the socialist camp and voted for ABSURD retributive tax hikes that made no sense except as a way to lynch the rich and he palled around with Hollywood liberals and the most extreme leftists and was completely 100% spineless and WENT ALONG WITH THE LIBERAL MOB. Only when the tea party movement started did he read which way the wind is blowing and start positioning himself as a conservative leader. But that just shows he goes with the wind and is afraid to stand up for conservative principles when they're unpopular, and that is exactly the kind of leader we cannot afford to have come the huge fight in November.

222

editor, i am as of now offically an independant

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 21, 2010 07:24 PM (gg4j2)

Bless you, ncj.  (.pdf of registration, or it didn't happen)

223 It should be clear by now to every Independent voter in this country that there are no conservative or moderate Dems.

Well, just the ones that read blogs.  The ones that watch TV news think Obama's going to give them free medicines now that the evil Republicans have been defeated.

224 Fuck off, whiskey.

225 This isn't a Health Care Reform bill, it's just a mechanism that leads to a government takeover.

Actually, for The Precedent it wasn't even that, it was just a mechanism for destroying our institutions, whether it passed or not.  For the useful idiot dems it was a government takeover.  But it was The Precedent who pushed this on us, over and over and over.  He had the useful idiots in his pocket, since he had let them go hog wild on the Porkulus and they didn't want to be seen as doing anything to make the retarded black kid look bad.  The useful idiots will find themselves used as cannon fodder soon enough, though.

226 Bryan Adams.

227 @153 Vaccines: Perfect example of another way gubmint is already in the hellcare business, and has turned it to shit. And most people are utterly unaware of what gubmint did to the vaccine business.

228 Down With Health Care!
That'll be a winner in November.

How about "Down with Health Control!"

I prefer to be in charge of my health, rather than have some bureaucrat run it.

229 >>Well, just the ones that read blogs.  The ones that watch TV news think Obama's going to give them free medicines now that the evil Republicans have been defeated.<<

Maybe so.  But they won't get their free medicines until 2014.  Till then, all they get is the bill.

Hell to pay, I tell you.

230

Someone mentioned the other day that his/her Dr. said he hopes Psycho Nancy would die in a plane crash. Death would be too kind. I'd rather she and the rest of her snakes would be tortured day in and day out. Psychological mind-games coupled with some non-deadly but insanely aggravating body torture.

231 Good stuff from Powerline.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/

232 People are talking about this more than you think. Went out for lunch, & saw at least 4 people checking the Internet on their cells in an attempt to get a vote count. They weren't wealthy people, either. Wait until the taxes comes, & they'll realize what a mess they're in--guaranteed.

233 Erg is the guy in the left at lemonopart.org

234 168 To my detractors:

Fine, fuck you and your country anyhow.

Sorry, Canaditard, our country will outlast yours for quite a stretch. It must really suck to know that even on this darkest of days, the gut reaction of Americans is still to laugh at a willowy wisp of maple-leaf stench such as yourself.

Unlike you and the rest of the douchenozzles inhabiting that sad piece of tundra, we are not a servile people. We get mad and we fight back. But as I said earlier, this is going to take everything we have in us and we will have no time to wipe your asses any longer. Learn to do it yourselves; maybe put that cartoonish flag of yours to the purpose. It's about time you got some use out of it!

235 pam anderson but her fake tits are from here so she doesn't count

236

When the Canadians can no longer enjoy the latest in medical tech....cry louder then, Christoph.

 

237 228 What's wrong with Cantor?

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 07:24 PM (jocU/)

Oh, he isn't some god who can make everything perfect with a wave of his hand.  You know.

238 Stop knocking on California.
For every Jerry Brown we elected, we also elected a Ronald Reagan.
For every daffy public option scheme our legislature pushes, we VOTED FOR (but were blocked in court) Prop 187 OVERWHELMINGLY.

We opposed Prop 1a by a TWO to ONE margin, even in the Bay Area.
Boxer is exceptionally vulnerable.
Brown is exceptionally vulnerable.

Our legislature has a 16% approval rating.
The mask of things like AB32 being for clean air has sloughed off to reveal a virulantly anti-business gang of environazis.

If there really, truly is hope for America, it will start in its most laughably liberal state- by the bouncing of Boxer, the bummering of Brown. The overturning of AB32, the reduction of the legislature.

If polling shows our state CLOSE in the Senate and Gubernatorial races, landslides. We are D+12? 15? If the GOP is pulling even against Babs, they're going to crush everywhere else.

Now is the time to spend $. To make calls. To volunteer. Thanks to unemployment, the most ardent conservatives actually HAVE THE TIME to do what Obama's collective of activists and college students did in 2008.

Scott Brown's win was the first real shot of 2010. Eeyores even on election night were in disbelief that he would pull a 4pt win.

239

214...

You ar correct. Thus I will clarify my thought.

Obama's Civilian Security Force......

240

this will NEVER be repealed, even if the Repubs ever get the House the Senate and WH (with a fillibuster proof Senate) the GOP will never have the spine to stand up to the 24/7 Media onslaught that will occur as soon as the word "repeal" is spoken, anyone who tries will be ripped to shreds, villified and roasted over a pit of hyperboyle and vitirol the likes of which none of us have ever seen.

welcome to the New Dark Ages, cherish with fondness your memories of the greatness of the United States of America because it has died this day and with it goes the entire Western Culture.

the epic nature of this treachery will only be remembered by those who lived thur it and with minds clear enough to realize it's import because the West no longer writes history your children will not be taught what todays events truly mean, they will be feed lies and oppression never knowing that it can be any different. 

241 Hrolf has a decent idea, no worse than pretending that repeal is feasible, and in fact better. Refuseniks in Congress. Gridlock on every single fucking thing unless we get movement to reduce this legislative cancer.

242 I do like this picture.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025891.php

243 Nobody is perfect. But, when they pretend to be, they need to be called out for it. Posted by: Mr. H. Simpson

Cantor pretends to be perfect? 

What the fuck?

244 When the Canadians can no longer enjoy the latest in medical tech...

I was unaware they were enjoying it now without a trip to Buffalo.

245

243...

The silver lining to high unemployment is that folks are sitting at home in front of their TVs. and computers, and blackberrys.

246 The Day Bob Knob Took Over the Blog
Fixed.
[And just for the record, I prefer caribou.]

247 Canada's contribution-Duh. Justin Beiber

248 Part 2
One of our biggest assets is the fact that the bill had to be back-year loaded to meet the self imposed low costs in the 10 year CBO window.

In the next one, three years none of the good stuff will have happened but all of the bad stuff will be visible. The Dems did not write a bill that was irrevocable, they wrote one that  they could pass on their slim margins.

It is ugly. We all know it is ugly and the MSM has denied it but in two election cycles every one will understand. Seniors will understand that Medicare is being cut. Workers will understand that their salaries are taking a hit. Doctors will understand that they now work for the government and their pay and autonomy will have to suffer. Patients will understand that they are being served by another utility company.

It took the Dems decades to understand that you can not take freedoms from Americans -- I am referring to the 2nd amendment fights that they fought well into the 90's and now they understand that Americans do not give up freedoms without a fight.

Well we only had one year to overcome the propaganda that the left had been preparing since Roosevelt (f-ing shit bucket on wheels) and one year was not enough. But the uninterested public will understand it and will fight it.

I talk to young people now (college age) and they are finally starting to understand that guns are a necessary form of defense of freedom. 20 years ago they didn't get it but it has changed. The same change will take place on health care in the next three years.

Again with the comparison to EU, they handed over their right of self defense without a fight. The US people fought and fought and we kept that right and now the tide has turned. This is not EU.

My only fear, (concern) is the court. If O-socialist gets a majority we will have to deal with a liberal court for decades. That is the fight and that is what has held conservatism back for so long. This is a lot tougher and we all know that getting and holding a conservative majority is not easy, even with a R president. We need R (and not a Bush) and a R Senate to keep in that game.

/rant

249 @231 LULZ

250 Assuming this passes tonight, what happens tomorrow? When do the taxes and fees start and how much?

251

HeatherRadish, yes, the Canadians will have to bite it and stay home when they have cancer, because we will have the same degraded health care, eventually, that they have now.

Stay home, Canadians....the cutting edge technology will dry up, as our system comes to resemble yours.

252 Another Canadian contribution: David Frum. Your mileage may vary.

253 It isn't a government takeover of healthcare, it's a Democrat takeover, a Political takeover.

This is what needs to be stressed.

254 Dang, soooper-geniuses are soooo sensitive.

255 214 - they don't have to disband the military, just turn it into a social-engineering lab like some of the Euroweenies did, and corrupt it to their side. That, and cutting its funding (F22, anyone?) to spend elsewhere.

256

Amusing mental image.

Long line of canadians, behind a far longer line of mexicans,complaining about how long it is taking to see a physician, in Michigan.

Good luck guys.

257

I know some Canadians. They used to spend 6 months in Florida every winter. Can't do that anymore. Canada says they lose their healthcare if they leave the country for more than 90 days. So they sold the Florida place.

258 @250 OOOohhhh please!!! That would be like my wet dream

259  Lone nutball, Vile (Anonymous Pussy)?

 You've been trolling, so I'll feed you just a bit...

 I mentored and trained over two hundred of the troops who've served in the Middle East, including several men and women who later became officers. Several of those individuals have died in combat, other wounded, and between them, they have collected an impressive share of combat awards and medals...

 Over the last eleven years, I've also worked with and encouraged grassroots political activists and political columnists around the world. Over the last two years in particular, you've heard of many of them, for by their works they have been made known...

 I mentored and helped a number of TEA Party activists and leaders around the nation when they were first getting started. I was working for the Haditha and Hamdania Marines when most conservatives weren't aware of the injustices being done to those Marines. I mentored and trained several political activists and politicians over the last ten years, as well - including assisting a couple of third parties in writing and re-writing their party platforms. A few of those individuals are now known at the national level.

 Today, I work with people involved with The National Precinct Alliance and offer advice and commentary to JB Williams and his 'Freedom Force' alliance. I've also worked with members of the American Grand Jury.

 So, yes. I've been out in front of most of this sort of thing.

 While people like yourself were looking for Great Leaders, and the approval of your peers, I was simply getting the job done.
 
 Now, Anonymous Pussy, you Vile homunculus of humanity, put up or shut up.
 

260

270...

I keep getting tons of emails from the NRA and I keep skipping over them. I wonder what the hell the folks in DC might be trying to sneak past us while we're all consumed wit the healthcare issue?

261 @271 Thank you sir

262 On the bright side, maybe we get our illustrious Congress to tackle the imminent threat of Dihydrous Monoxide.  Being from California, I can at least take pride in the fact that one of our cities considered banning products that used DHMO.

263 Sad, very sad day for our country.  We have no choice but to continue on and fight with everything we've got.  I thank God we have people like Michele Bachmann, Paul Ryan and Mike Pence fighting on our side.  They are the new face of the Republican party.  God has a plan and, after today's crushing disappointment, I have to believe there's a reason for this.

264 Gridlock on every single fucking thing unless we get movement to reduce this legislative cancer.

When we likely retake the House, will we be prepared to shut the government down?  Will we be able to prepare the American people to go for that?  Because that will be the ultimate point we'll need to get to make Obama acquiesce...

265 @272 I'm not sure, I haven't looked. And officially I have no guns. They were all stolen in a horrible fishing accident after being set on fire. So for the guys in suits keeping tabs- no guns. Especially the Ar-15s and Aks. They burned quickly and were taken when I wasn't looking. Officially.

266 One thing I would like to see the GOP do once they regain Congress is pass law after law after law repealing this crap sandwich. Yes, Obama will veto. So, pass another quick one the next day. Veto. Pass it again. Make sure the public knows that the GOP is attempting to follow the wishes of We The People. And make sure a simpler, smaller, more common sense bill is out there. Sooner or later, Obama will either relent, or/and this will make it easier to send his worthless ass back to Chicago in 2012.

267 Yes, Obama will veto. So, pass another quick one the next day. Veto. Pass it again.

Barry: Rabbit season!
GOP: Duck season!
Barry: Rabbit season!
GOP: Duck season!
Barry: Rabbit season!
GOP: *pause*
Barry: Duck season!
GOP: *shoots him in the face*

That would be cool.

268 A bright side (Really).  Without Scott Brown, the Democrats could vote to accelerate the "benefits" now to start at the same time as the taxes, e.g. "Why wait for the goodies, why use layaway when you can charge it and take it home with you tonight!.  With Scott Brown, there will be four years of massive tax increases, job losses, etc, that lead to no perceived public benefit.  From such tiny acorns, mighty oaks of repeal can be born.

269 hell with just repealing it. When the Republican controlled House takes over in 2011, every single budget bill should forbid the Federal Government from spending any money advancing ObamaCare. So Obama can either shut down the government, or spend the next 3 years not seeing anything accomplished on his big "win".

270 Steyn is just scratching the surface.Note that it wont matter who is in charge with this monstrosity in place, the key is that the bill needs to be recinded, period or we as a nation are sunk. Now we get to see where these things that are not Democrats do next. Cap and trade, immigration free passes on a massive scale to replace voters they lost,fairness doctrine,global warming revisited etc...etc...etc. This was the big one today, now they can pick up their pace on everything else

271 Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman will be on O'Reilly tonight.

272

God damn the god damned congress and god damn the god damned president and god damn the god damned media god damn them all to the 9th circle of hell. I can't believe this. i can't believe that asshole Stupak. Who was the deciding vote?  

273 Ace,
Usually you make me laugh. Today you make me cry. I guess we're all crying together, tho.

274 On top of this I'm forgoing my Sunday trivia night because the bar is full of lefties and I can't stand to listen to them crow about this. 

275 Don't donate to the RNCC - donate directly to the candidate like we did for Scott Brown in Massachusetts.  I know a lot of Republicans fought hard, especially Paul Ryan, but I'm not overly impressed with the leadership.   Send the money directly to whoever is running to unseat the dirty dems and Stupak and his pathetic group of weaklings should be first on your list to go!! 

276 donate directly to the candidate like we did for Scott Brown in Massachusetts.   

Posted by: MAM at March 21, 2010 08:06 PM (A6Bqs)

Interesting how Scott Brown hasn't had one word to say about the bill he was specifically elected to stop.  He's too busy campaigning for the traitorous amnesty-monger to be bothered, I guess.

277 180...the only problem with your scenario is that some large portion of the population really wants this type of government intervention.  30%?  40%?


Whatever the number is, it's enough to make total repeal problematic.  What has been assured today, however, is that a revolution is coming at some point.  We are no longer one people united under the cause of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  We have now officially become a nation of men, not laws.

Enough people vote for Rangle, Stupak, Pelosi, Reid, Obama, et al, that the ballot box is no longer a remedy. 

Our two ways of life cannot, in the long run, coexist.  Apparently 230 years or so is about the extent. 

There will be blood. 

278 So I guess the plan is to move out of New York City to avoid the coming apocalypse. 

279

They haven't even voted on the POS yet-----! 

THERE'S STILL TIME TO MELT THE PHONE LINES!

2 hours of debate ends at approx. 8:45 Eastern; CSPAN anticipates final voting approx. 9:30pm Eastern. 

Tempers are flaring on the House floor as we type.....a rep from NJ (D) was just censored, heh.  Most entertaining stuff I've seen on CSPAN yet.

 

WOO-HOO!

280 Ok, we are all bummed out and need a break. lets all go fishing tomorrow and recharge. Ummmm wait, they didn't pass that costal waters eco terrorist bill yet, did they!!????

281 Oh, yeah....and in between the shouting matches, there's the Sob stories/lies of woe from the left about all the deaths from 'lack of health care' blah blah..

282 If you're on FAcebook, go friend Benishek, a doc who just announced he's running against Stupak.

283 What's wrong with Cantor?

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 07:24 PM (jocU/)

For starters, the wifey is in thick with lobbyists.  There's also a DVD, titled Boxer Briefs, that supposedly shows him in cahoots with "Call me Senator."  I heard a brief discussion of this DVD at a Patriot mtg a few months ago.  The beautiful horse country of Culpeper somehow plays a part in all the skullduggery, too.  I'd goggle it, but I'm waiting for Michele Bachmann on O'Really. 

284 We all need to get off our asses and fight for a LARGE Republican majority in the House next year.  Every single mutherfucking Democrat incumbent must have a Republican opponent with backing from all of us who are furious about this HCR abortion.  Find the Dem incumbent nearest you, figure out which Republican you will back in the primary, and start throwing as much money and time as you can spare into the fight.  Me, I just found Anna Little, who is running for the Republican nomination to go against Frank Pallone in NJ6.  A lost cause?  Nothing is a lost cause.  Every race needs to be a fight to the death.  Overturn the House so thoroughly that Nancy Pelosi is the only Dem left - a committee of one.  Do this.  Don't hesitate.  Do it.

285 That dipshit Sherman was just on O'Reilly.  I like how he says that the uninsured are already getting treated (and we are paying for it) but then O'Reilly doesn't have the brains to ask Sherman, since that expense will allegedly be gone in the new SOviet Health scare, where is that savings found in the health scare bill?  They aren't taking money from Medicaid - which is where a lot of that uinsured expense is - but taking it out of Medicare and putting more money INTO Medicaid.

No one has bothered mentioning this aspect of the Dems' imbecilic argument and it really chafes me to watch these pathetic non-interviews over and over.

Sherman says that the uninsured are already getting treatment (hence the fallacy of the "uninsured" and their numbers) but then makes a new trillion dollar entitlement for health care that doesn't take away the great savings for that treatment that will no longer have to be given.

286 @271 Warren Bonesteel cut jib newsletter 

287 Yes, start the impeachment process.

288 Well, fuck it all.  I've just come back from a lovely Sunday afternoon cocktail party.  Everyone.  Every.single.person. was talking about Hellcare.  When we walked in the door, the first person I run into is the lone Obamabot and her pussy whipped husband.  She gave me a huge smile.  I barely looked at her and mumbled a "hi" and hurried away.  She is truly a 'tard.  She's in a packed room full of people who hate Barky with a white hot heat, and she's still standing around with a dumb-assed grin on her face.  Idiot.

I picked a fine time to give up heroin and glue sniffing.  The alcohol ain't cuttin' it anymore.

289 Well, it will be fun to watch the college obots be forced by policies from the evil insurance companies.

290 When we walked in the door, the first person I run into is the lone Obamabot and her pussy whipped husband.  She gave me a huge smile.  I barely looked at her and mumbled a "hi" and hurried away. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 21, 2010 08:35 PM (UOM4

I've been responding with, "Fuck off, traitor," for a while, now.  Of course, I jettisoned all of my Indonesian Imbecile-loving friends long ago.

291

I've been responding with, "Fuck off, traitor," for a while, now. 

I'm stealing this one!  I may even use it on a couple of non-voters I know...

292

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 21, 2010 08:35 PM (UOM4

Thank you for making me laugh! Wish I could have been there.

293

"Freedom from control by the evil insurance companies"  ??? (Paul Tonko, NY21)  EXCUUUUSE me?!? 

They are absolutely selling us down the river INTO the control of said companies!!!  What the hell are they smoking?

294

231 They did give us Celine Dion and Alanis Morrisette....which we failed to interpret as the act of war it was.

Thanks for the only laugh I've had today.

295 So, I went over to firedoglake to check the reaction from NOW and I gotta say that they are the most self absorbed twits I have ever seen, it's always about entitlements for the left.

I researched Roe v. Wade for an essay and discovered two things, 99.5% of women have an abortion solely for the purpose of convenience and that there have been 40 million abortion since Roe v. Wade was passed. Can you imagine the sheer self absorption necessary to force taxpayers to hand over their money because some bitch couldn't keep her legs closed.

296 Raise taxes ruinously- on the Democrats. Let them pay for the debt. Cut taxes for every non-Democrat so they can build business. Call it re-distribution of wealth from the thieves back to the people. And repeal all vestiges of the New Deal, the Great Society and the pseudo-POTUS Obama/Dunham/Soetoro's BS.

297 "312 Raise taxes ruinously- on the Democrats. Let them pay for the debt. Cut taxes for every non-Democrat so they can build business. Call it re-distribution of wealth from the thieves back to the people. And repeal all vestiges of the New Deal, the Great Society and the pseudo-POTUS Obama/Dunham/Soetoro's BS."   That is what Federalism is all about.  If we lock the Democrats in with each other, they will simply go broke.

298 And if I'm right, you're just about to turn on the social conservatives, the final stage of AoS Loss.

I've met Ace, and he has no problem with the so-cons. They show up each year and consistently vote their consciences. They volunteer and donate time and money. For our side, the so-cons are better than unions,  grievance groups or paid muscle. So-cons actually give a fuck and look at the big picture. They can't be bought. They hold grudges. There is no reason any sane Republican would kick them out of the tent. All these libertarians and Rockefellers jump ship all the time. And in the end, freedom of religion is a fundamental right -- and I have yet to see so-cons push to legislate religion -- and social issues can quickly become financial ones.

299 I am so glad to see congress republicans taking a stand and fighting back.  I can't wait for november and not just because of my birthday.  I'll be so glad to see the republicans take back power and get this repealed.  Out of control spending, government take over of anything they want and a continual loss of jobs.  But one clever thing on Obama's part.  Wait until 2014 when he is out of office and he WON'T be re-elected.... all the mess he created will be a burden for the next President to bear.  Now that Obama is on a power trip he is bullying Israel.  I'm really hoping every American that supports Israel stands up and makes their voices heard!!  UNACCEPTABLE!!!

300 we need more mark s.'s in this country. You make sense and articulate the points well. I noticed that many of the dumbocrats that disagree with you seem to have very shallow thinking and a vocabulary that consists mostly of insults and profanity. I believe that the democrats actually took over the public education system years ago with the planned and very successful dumbing down of america with the exact idea of being able to rule, control, and steal from a nation of idiots! How ironic that this "historical" bill is being compared to the civil rights movement of the 1960's because this will make us and our grandchildren all slaves again to the government!! Tar and Feather- you are right!~  God Bless America!!

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