1 If you like me as your Dr. you get to keep me as your Dr.

2 Let's remember that Sarah Palin shows a great amount of leadership on this.  She was blasting the death panel section, kinda got that removed (to be put back in by regulation probably) and was rallying many to stop this bill.

and Palin wasn't alone.  A lot of GOP leaders were loudly and effectively explaining why this bill was a bad idea.  Gingrich, Paul Ryan, several others.  I think Palin had great impact, but I'm a Palin fanboy... several took part in this fight and showed leadership and balls.

Mitt Romney showed us what he was made of too when he didn't do anything to help the good fight on this.  Some would say he was smart to duck out.  I agree... but this is a fight he will be 'smart' to continue to avoid as much as he can.

Just one thing to consider.  We should focus on 2010, but we should also pay attention to who lets us down and if they can lead in the future.  This entitlement alone makes it very tough to ever save our country from insolvency.  It must be repealed.

3
this is what I mentioned earlier today.

The employers are doing exactly what the socialists want them to do: drop employee coverage and tell them to enroll in the state's insurance plan.

By design this is how we're moving to single-payer health insurance.

4 Shit, if there was only some way, some sort of history, someone of great knowledge that could've seen this before it happened....

5

is there anyone here who thinks that after Obamacare and the Financial Reform bill we, as a country, has any chance to pull ourselves out of this hole?

6 Everyone with any functioning brain cells knew this was coming.

7

The employers are doing exactly what the socialists want them to do: drop employee coverage and tell them to enroll in the state's insurance plan.

Of course this is what they knew would happen, and businesses are acting rationally as they look at what this will do to their costs.  The way it is set up Precident Toonces and the dhimmicraps can howl about 'evil business' dumping their employees health coverage.  The sad part is that there is a pretty healthy portion of the 52% who will nod their head in agreement and join in on the howling.  We are well and truly fucked.  Just passing this legislation has opened a Pandoras box of bad that simply cannot be put away or dismissed.

8

“They are giving up out of frustration,’’ Fields said of the employers. “Most of them are very compassionate but they simply can’t afford health insurance any more.’’ - GM

No, it doesn't matter.  Businesses are in business to....make money.  This sort of nonsense is not helping.  Regardless of who is paying their "fair share", somebody, somewhere is getting a pretty sweet ride. And every body knows how national HCR is going to shake out once it gets rolling.  This isn't rocket surgery.

Which, I guess, is the point.  Forward. to single payer! And always remember who the former governor of Massachuesetts was who signed this disaster into law and isn't about to apologize for it.  Rrrrrrr.....Romney.

9
Despite the lies/promises by Obama & Pelosi, the costs of private insurance were never supposed to come down -- they were supposed to keep going up.


This is how the private insurance sector will be run out of business. The "government option" will be cheaper and will soon be the only, um, option.

10 Breaking: Oil Leak Found Near BP Blown Out Well

11
Posted by: Truck Monkey

I always wondered what happened to "Bear" from BJ & The Bear. Heh, he's commenting at AoS.

12

State-subsidized coverage will offer more than the shit insurance STUPID small businesses provided anyway.

GOD, you people are STUPID!!!

13

is there anyone here who thinks that after Obamacare and the Financial Reform bill we, as a country, has any chance to pull ourselves out of this hole?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at July 18, 2010 06:34 PM (jRcMS)

Yeah, we'll get through it with some pain. Our country from time to time acts like a drunk who gets close to the edge of self destruction, get's scared and pulls itself back. Part of that is the peoples ability to recognize where we are going and change course. The other part is that the financial markets see where we're headed and shut off the tap, they quit investing and force change.

14 What the news isn't reporting is the number of doctors and hospitals which are no longer accepting new patients with Commonwealth Care. The state hasn't been reimbursing providers for their services in a remotely timely fashion and they are sick of having to carry the costs for months on end before getting paid for services rendered. Many GPs are going over to cash only here to get out of the insurance and state racket entirely.

15
speaking of oil leaks...

While they have the well capped, why don't the CAP THE FRIKKIN' CAP to make it more permanent?

And also, why don't they just fix the well and, you know, collect the oil from it so I can put gas in me car?

16 You know why private insurance is getting expensive? Because that's what healthcare costs. Give businesses the power to tax and print money and this problem goes away.

17 But it's not Mitt's fault! I saw a Romney drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. His hair was perfect.

18

Breaking: Oil Leak Found Near BP Blown Out Well

What? I know you're not talking to me. I'm on my pre-vacation. Go suck Michelle's dick for all I care.

19

Might this be why I don't like Romney?

20 This is how the private insurance sector will be run out of business. The "government option" will be cheaper and will soon be the only, um, option.

Posted by: a commenter who changes his name a lot at July 18, 2010 06:40 PM (waTiq)

I submit the value of the gov't option will out in practice.  Much like how buying the least expensive paint, rollers, and brushes costs you much much more in 2nd and 3rd coats and redo time than buying decent quality materials.

21

_{I know you're not talking to me. I'm on my pre-vacation. Go suck Michelle's dick for all I care.}

I find this offensive.

 

22 Mitt Romney regarding MassHealth: "I like mandates"

23
There has not been an unusually large spike in enrollment in Commonwealth Romney Care, the subsidized insurance program, according to spokesman Richard Powers.

24

Of course insurance costs money, and I'm going to blog about it soon.

Just as soon as I finish my cheeseburger with bacon.

Um, are you going to eat those fries....cause if you're not I will.

25 Hold the phone, racist. Manchelle Obama is the most beautiful woman in the world, at least among women with huge dicks.

26


Much like how buying the least expensive paint, rollers, and brushes costs you much much more in 2nd and 3rd coats and redo time than buying decent quality materials.

What are you getting at?

27
Hold the phone, racist. Manchelle Obama is the most beautiful woman in the world, at least among women with huge dicks.

Posted by: MFM at July 18, 2010 06:52 PM (aOKEC)

And her balls are very impressive also.

28
What are you getting at?

They're on to us, flee!

29

Mitt Romney regarding MassHealth: "I like mandates"

And were I still governor, I'd mandate a single, money-saving, state-run office supply store. Staples would be a catchy name.

30 Yet libertarians (liberalitrians?) at volokh.com are still debating whether to hitch their vast voting numbers and superior intellects to liberal or conservative ends. 

31

In my fantasy, this will blow up in the faces of the progs, causing a collapse of employer provided health insurance that the gubmint will not be able to cover. Thus putting health care / insurance back to a transaction between individual consumers and providers, affected by normal market forces.

I also keep dipping bugs in toxic waste and then letting them bite me in the hopes of attaining superpowers.

32
"Harry Reid wins, and democrats retain control of the House of Representatives"

33

One plan to rule them

One plan to treat them

One plan to bring them all

And in the darkness bind them

In the land of Massachusetts

Where the Romney lies

34 Yet libertarians (liberalitrians?) at volokh.com are still debating whether to hitch their vast voting numbers and superior intellects to liberal or conservative ends.

Those people at Volokh quit being libertarians a long time ago. They are mostly card carrying ABA/ACLU liberal lawyers now. I have pretty much quit visiting that site now.

35 I saw a Romney drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.

His hair was perfect.

Posted by: eman at July 18, 2010 06:48 PM (3nHRI)

Beverage, meet keyboard (and veesa vursa!)  ROFL!

36

Jail/Prison time if I decide to ignor this steaming pile of dogshit on the sidewalk?

 

 

Do it! DOODS.

37 If i go to Prison, It will be for a lot worse crime than NOT PAYING MY PREMIUMS.

38 Coming to an American hospital near you? A third of Ontario hospitals in the red.

39 OK, maybe this will be heresy, but I almost think this is good news. Business shouldn't be offering healthcare as a benefit anyways. This allows them to exit the old system, while any sullen workers know who to blame. They also know who to blame for the poor service they get: government. The route to true market based reform may have to go through single payer...and the best road for that would be for Mass. to run into trouble and be the example for the rest of us that it doesn't work. Note that Tenncare failed and was wrapped up. These programs can be killed - they don't send a check in the mail every month, and they don't cover everyone yet.

40 So, how does everyone like my nudge? You'll be getting more. I guarantee it. Right over the cliff.

Check out my book: Nudge: Improving Decisions About Health, Wealth, and Happiness and learn all about nudging, choice architecture, and libertarian paternalism. We used to call it socialism, but we've mainstreamed it with new and improved wordsmithing. Yay, me! Now you'll want to enslave yourselves.

41 CJ, make that "And in the darkness CHEAT them." Better rhyme, nastier sentiment.

42 35 I saw a Romney drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.

AaaaaHoooo   Carewolves of Boston!

43 His hair was perfect.

Maybe he was waiting for his man date.

44 What the fuck are you people blaming ME for? It's all Deval Patrick's fault anyway! THEY poorly executed a wonderful piece of legislation that I was tangentally involved in that I may or may not have signed. By the way; why do you people listen to that stupid woman from Alaska?

45 Truck Monkey: "We are well and truly fucked. Just passing this legislation has opened a Pandoras box of bad that simply cannot be put away or dismissed."

Preach it, brother. That's the hill we need to go back to and reclaim or die trying. It really was and is that important.

46 Ja! We are already in scripts for a new Downfall Parody titled, "Hitler Finds out that Mittens Passed the Buck to Deval Patrick Again!" We were going to do another one where our beloved Fuhrer lost his tickets to Burning Man, but the conservatives called and needed a new script to rub die Mittens hair in the Scheisse. The plain girl weeping in the hallway won't be happy, though.

47

Is Romney the best we got? If he can beat obummer mayhap I'm in.

What do yourins think he will do with O'care?

48 Man, you people don't know how to play the game. You have to follow Beltway rules. Come listen to my show (ignore the waning ratings that shoved a third of my wonderful show to 11PM on my home station KRLA) and I'll regale you with unfunny sports schtick and unknown authors with boring books. Then I'll tell you how that Titan of a godlike man, Mitt Romney, will lead us to the land of milk and honey. Trust me, I'm in the know. That's why, merely 24 hours before Daschle had to pull himself out of our patriotic president's nomination to HHS chair, I advised all conservatives to let Obama have whomever he wanted in his Cabinet. That makes sense. Trust me. I sell gold and mortgages on my program, too.

49 Oh, by the way. I supported the auto bailout, just before good president Obama was inaugurated. That's because I heart John Campbell, who was an auto dealer. And my tongue is so far up Campbell's rectum that I can taste his uvula. Buy "A Mormon in the White House!" It's widely available in remaindered bins everywhere.

50

 "A Mormon in the White House!"

I first read that as "A Moron in the White House", which would just be....wrong. We'll never sell out! Unless we get a really good offer.

51 So we have two choices: accept Osama Obama's totalitarian plan, in which his co-conspirators gain the power of live and death over the slaves citizens, or we can go back to the old "free market" ways in which every worker was totally on their own when it came to health care.

The only problem with the latter is that the "free market" advocates, those wonderful capitalists who are doing just fine during our current economic collapse, also think employers should be allowed, no, encouraged to pay wages no higher than they have to. After all, if we're going to compete with China, patriotic Americans should take whatever pittance the bosses throw their way and STFU. Just ask Ayn Rand.

And the unemployed? Those slackers can't get sick while sitting home in front of their big-screen TVs, can they? They don't need no stinkin' insurance!

Sadly, somewhere between the communist control freaks of D.C. and the nostalgic-for-the-days-of-child-labor "conservative" crowd, a middle way has to be found. To avoid the need for some kind of government mandate, business must be freed from artificial controls that make it impossible for them to make profits, even as they must acknowledge (in a tangible way) that said profits come from the work of productive people.

Building up stock values is only important when the beneficiaries include those who actually work, not just the paper-shufflers.

The best way to keep government off the backs of business is for the business leaders to get their minds right. That means sharing the wealth with those who earn it. That also makes it possible for said people to afford their own health insurance.

It also means running the current crop of traitors out of D.C., starting with terminally brain-dead fuckweasels on the order of Bahney Fwank, Osama Obama, Hairy Reid, and Nanzi Pelosi.

52 Hey, look! Anarcho-syndicalists!

53 Sadly, somewhere between the communist control freaks of D.C. and the nostalgic-for-the-days-of-child-labor "conservative" crowd, a middle way has to be found.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 18, 2010 08:17 PM (Ulu3i)

Well, at least the Giant Strawman industry isn't facing a slump like everyone else is.

You know what I always say when someone offers me a compromise between one alternative and a carefully-constructed strawman? Fuck that horse shit.

54 You know what I always say when someone offers me a compromise between one alternative and a carefully-constructed strawman? Fuck that horse shit. Now, I must say your intemperate language may not get us anywhere productive. I certainly won't be using it during my fifteen seconds of fame on NPR. They seem to like me over there. Go figure.

55 Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at July 18, 2010 08:22 PM

So what's your answer? The Ayn Rand "let the weak die, and let the fires that consume their bodies shine a light on my Aryan Supermen" approach?

Responsibility is a two-way street (something neither government nor the free-marketeers understand), and there are times when the pat theoretical answer doesn't apply.

56 Impressive:  writes a post on MassCare cratering without using the word "Romney."

57 Yep, pretty much all going according to plan. The only hope we had with RomneyCare in 2006 was that it was going to kick the Socialized Meds plan down the road long enough that we'd be bankrupt before we got to the point that the "public option" became the "only option". Looks like Romney bought us about 5-more years of private coverage than we would have had otherwise. Which sucks, but was better than nothing. I doubt Obumble's plan will be so generous.

58 55, Oh, stop weeping for the children. The free market serves us all very well, if we take the time and energy to use it well. Donate to NPR and get another tote bag.

59 MrScribbler, You appear to have no understanding of economics. Salaries are subject to market forces just like everything else in life. COBOL programmers were once highly paid and nowadays can make the princely sum of $0 a year. No one really "decided" this. It's just what happened. It is not greedy to pay someone somewhere around the minimum amount to which they will voluntarily agree. Let's say a pizza store owner wants to save up $ to buy a new pizza oven to double the number of pizzas he can make. He pays his employees the minimum so he can more effectively save up to buy the oven and hire more people for the new business it will bring. Who's to say that the utility of hiring more people doesn't offset whatever utility is lost by paying out less to veteran employees who nonetheless continued -- voluntarily -- to work for that lower sum? You ask for an "answer" to the dilemma of an all powerful state run by commies or a putative Ayn Rand dystopia where the weak are rooted out, but it is a false dilemma. Free people can help each other without Big Brother overseeing the whole operation and without leaving the weak to die in the streets. The "little platoons" of civil society is the "third way" to which you allude. Things like the Jimmy Fund or the American Red Cross. I know you want something more sweeping and society-wide than that, but in that case you ought to just throw your lot in with the commies and be done with it.

60 Wait. It gets (much) worse.

A friend from MA whose father is in hospice has been traveling between here (CT) and there. She's a chef and injured her arm to an extent where she could not perform her typically chefly duties without surgery.

Enter CommieCare (nee RomneyCare - now ObamaCare).

While recovering from the initial injury and waiting for a surgery date, she was forced to leave her job: unemployed. While unemployed, MA records showed that she dropped her insurance, but because they use prior year's tax returns to determine your "obligation" to purchase insurance, she was fined $1000 for not carrying the State-mandated policy. While unemployed.

She applied for State-funded CommieCare. Denied (per prior year's income).

She secured interim employment (while waiting for CommieCare bureaucrats to schedule her required surgery) but had to pay her own premiums (on a reduced, underemployment salary).

Surgery was finally performed, but of course the procedure was completely botched, leaving her with only partial use of her dominant arm and looking at a future where she could no longer pursue her career as a chef.

Once again unemployed, she relocates to CT to care for her dying father, taking a job as kitchen help. Mere months after the move she receives another letter/fine of $1000 from MA because she is not maintaining the State-mandated health insurance.

Folks, this is your future under ObamaCare.

61 This is one of the largest changes from the 2008 primary.  Romney had a much easier time in 2008 than 2012... the field was ridiculously weak in 2008 and it just won't be in 2012, but also, he will simply shut up whenever Obamacare comes up.

He did nothing to help the cause during the debate.  In fact, he's kinda helped the democrats rhetorically on a few points.

So he's got no chance.  No one thinks he will fight to repeal Obamacare, least of all Romney himself.

So his supporters, scorched earth so-called pragmatics (Trent Lott Pragmatics who want to win, but don't actually want to use that win to limit government), are going to trash the living hell out of Palin for being a 'quitter', to use Drew M's favorite word when she's brought up.  They will trash her as less than a serious human.  They will say she can't speak for more than 15 seconds when she really was among the most sophisticated and effective speakers on Obamacare (to be a good speaker, you have to connect to the people, so maybe you can't sound like John Kerry all the time).  They will claim this is OK, because they are trying to get us this 'electable' guy, Romney, who folds like a paper table.

There is no benefit to Romney's followers bashing others.  Romney just can't win. 

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