March 09, 2010
— DrewM Democratic Congressman Steve Kagen (he's also an MD) voted yes on Pelosi-Reid-Obama Care in November, now it sounds like he's having second thoughts.
"Let me put it this way: you're asking whether or not I trust the United States Senate, where they came up with a deal for Nebraska that the other states didn't get; where Louisiana would get a special deal. No, I don't trust the U.S. Senate," said Rep. Steve Kagen (D-8th District). "So I think I'd like to have a vote on something very meaningful."Kagen said the health care bill should be split up into smaller bills.
"I have made the case to the speaker and also to the White House that we should take small pieces, small bites," Kagen said. "In the practice of medicine, I can't give a child a big pill. What do we do? We cut it up into pieces. Let's find things we can agree on."
It's not a Yes-No yet but it's clearly not a given that Pelosi still has all the yes votes she had last time, even without Stupak doing his abortion compromise dance. House members know the chances of 'fixing' the Senate bill are pretty much zero. They are going to have to decide if they can live with it as is and defend it back home, Cornhusker Kickback and all.
via @braddayspring
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Posted by: Shooter McGavin at March 09, 2010 08:53 AM (cxGtL)
Go on!
You go to that airport and abandon us!
Go on!
You're free to go!
But we'll be waiting for you...
Posted by: The Red Brigade at March 09, 2010 08:54 AM (0q2P7)
This is the LAST thing we want to happen.
What's best for us and our country is for the Democrats to ram this through, the whole kit-n-kaboodle.
If they split it up, the Left will get more govt control and socialism faster than they ever dreamed.
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 09, 2010 08:54 AM (1HKg5)
Posted by: negentropy at March 09, 2010 08:54 AM (27KAF)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 09, 2010 08:55 AM (0GFWk)
Look. You guys have this whole government incompetence thing way over blown. Here is yet more proof that you can be assured of having only the finest idiots running healthcare because if they can’t do homeland security, we certainly wouldn’t be asking them to do healthcare – right?
via Mere Rhetoric
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 09, 2010 08:56 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: conscious and begging for mercy at March 09, 2010 08:56 AM (Vu6sl)
And And AND the Democrats will keep control of Congress through 2012.
We NEED the Democrats to ram this through so we'll win in November.
I know some of you chowderheads can wrap your little heads around this, but trust me, I'm right.
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 09, 2010 08:56 AM (1HKg5)
Posted by: dagny at March 09, 2010 08:56 AM (zNOdZ)
We NEED the Democrats to ram this through so we'll win in November.
Insanity.
It's what's for dinner.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 09, 2010 08:57 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Miss'80s at March 09, 2010 08:57 AM (sZ+lP)
Posted by: FreakyBoy at March 09, 2010 08:57 AM (Q41Zh)
Posted by: The Chicken at March 09, 2010 08:57 AM (5I0Yr)
House members: Vote for the bill, you will lose your job.
Meanwhile - via the corner:
A new Rasmussen (oh noez - Hitler!) phone survey reports that just 25 percent of Americans believe Obamacare will help the U.S. economy, while 57 percent believe it will hurt it. Fully 78 percent of those surveyed believe that taxes on the middle class will have to be raised eventually to pay for the bill, and 66 percent believe that the plan will increase the federal deficit. Just 10 percent believe it will reduce deficit.
This concern is due in part to a lack of trust in the scoring process:
Eighty-one percent (81%) believe it is at least somewhat likely that the health care reform plan will cost more than official estimates. That number includes 66% who say it is very likely that the official projections understate the true cost of the plan.
Just 10% have confidence in the official estimates and say the actual costs are unlikely to be higher.
54 percent of respondents believe passage of Obamacare will lead to higher health care costs.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 09, 2010 08:58 AM (0fzsA)
Sigmund Freud, call your office.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 09, 2010 08:59 AM (T0NGe)
Backroom deals and kickbacks are in the senate bill.
We will be reminding them of that - a lot. With or without the help of the DNC/MSM.
It's a cost-loser, and they know it.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 09, 2010 09:00 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: The Effin' Doktor at March 09, 2010 09:01 AM (GwPRU)
Eighty-one percent (81%) believe it is at least somewhat likely that the health care reform plan will cost more than official estimates. That number includes 66% who say it is very likely that the official projections understate the true cost of the plan.
The American people--able to add when their elected representatives cannot.
God love 'em.
The people, I mean.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 09, 2010 09:02 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: I Love Tea Bagging at March 09, 2010 09:03 AM (rsnIG)
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 09, 2010 09:04 AM (GfYt/)
Posted by: bound4er at March 09, 2010 09:06 AM (RjUC6)
"Let me put it this way: you're asking whether or not I trust the United States Senate,"
Rule #1 to being a lawyer...NEVER ask a question in which you don't already know the answer.
And I loved To Kill a Mockingbird.
Posted by: K Starr at March 09, 2010 09:08 AM (pr+up)
Yeah... We gotta kill pass this health care bill despite how the American public regards it. I can't wait forthe GOP to win back congress so we can all just go back to doing whatever the insurance industry tells us to... my daily Axelrod e-mail from Organizing for America.
/fixed asswipe.
//ps...wipe your chin
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 09, 2010 09:10 AM (pLTLS)
In the practice of medicine, I can't give a child a big pill. What do we do?
Cut off their feet and steal their livers.
Posted by: AMAs Offical Position at March 09, 2010 09:10 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2010 09:10 AM (RD7QR)
"In the practice of medicine, I can't give a child a big pill. What do we do? We cut it up into pieces. Let's find things we can agree on."
OK, we'll just give you the red pill instead of the blue pill.
Posted by: Doc Barack at March 09, 2010 09:11 AM (CfmlF)
And And AND the Democrats will keep control of Congress through 2012.
We NEED the Democrats to ram this through so we'll win in November.
I know some of you chowderheads can wrap your little heads around this, but trust me, I'm right.
Sorry, but negatory on the first part. Control of the congress is more important than the Oval Office. 1995-2000 were actually pretty good times. A feckless Commiecrat kept in check by a GOP congresss is better than a reckless Commiecrat congress stalling a GOP president.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2010 09:13 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: September, October, November, December, January, February, March..... at March 09, 2010 09:13 AM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 09, 2010 09:14 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: September, October, November, December, January, February, March..... at March 09, 2010 01:13 PM (5I0Yr)
FIFY
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 09, 2010 09:16 AM (3wYSZ)
Perhaps because you have the IQ of a ceramic mug.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 09, 2010 09:16 AM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: Jeff at March 09, 2010 09:17 AM (FDdKZ)
I think this is a great plan. Break it up!
This way they will have to START OVER. Time is not on their side.
Bingo! I do not believe in the "let things get so bad that people will demand good." The New Deal didn't get reversed, you know.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at March 09, 2010 09:17 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Kemp at March 09, 2010 09:20 AM (2+9Yx)
"ObamaCare is dead."
Problem is - we haven't put a bullet in the zombie's head yet.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 09, 2010 01:17 PM (ucq49)
After if receives a bullet, the zombie needs to be incinerated.
Posted by: conscious and begging for mercy at March 09, 2010 09:20 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Dan at March 09, 2010 09:22 AM (1jzSs)
He's an allergist. They do God's work, but they're not going to feel the same pain as family practitioners or targeted high-cost specialties.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 09, 2010 09:22 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: ObamaCare at March 09, 2010 09:22 AM (5I0Yr)
I don't give a rat's ass what a single dem has to say. They all will fall in line with this crap. This is about power PERIOD
Posted by: Katy Beth at March 09, 2010 09:23 AM (rJhu6)
"ObamaCare is dead."
Problem is - we haven't put a bullet in the zombie's head yet.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 09, 2010 01:17 PM (ucq49)
After if receives a bullet, the zombie needs to be incinerated.
Posted by: conscious and begging for mercy at March 09, 2010 01:20 PM (Vu6sl)
In the CERN.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 09, 2010 09:23 AM (3wYSZ)
Not until the 113th Congress is sworn in, two weeks ahead of Barry's successor.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 09, 2010 09:23 AM (mR7mk)
Obama responds to all you extremists, "You would think we were following some... ah... eh... Bolshevik healthcare model, or something."
via Instapundit
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 09, 2010 09:24 AM (RkRxq)
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2010 01:10 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 09, 2010 01:16 PM (5I0Yr)
His troll-fu is weak. Ignore him. If we ignore the stupid ones, we can make Axelrod send us intelligent trolls.
Posted by: The Red Brigade at March 09, 2010 09:25 AM (0q2P7)
"You would think we were following some... ah... eh... Bolshevik healthcare model, or something."
Calling Dr. Freud, Dr. Sigmund Freud, please pick up the blue or red courtesy phone...
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 09, 2010 09:26 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Katy Beth at March 09, 2010 09:27 AM (rJhu6)
"After if receives a bullet, the zombie needs to be incinerated."
How /bout we just bury it deep enough? The earth's core is millions of degrees.
Posted by: Algore at March 09, 2010 09:28 AM (ucq49)
I'm all for handcuffing myself to a banister and letting my sons post the video on You Tube.
I expect you'll be hearing from Bruno's DHS very soon for posting THAT promise of violence.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 09, 2010 09:29 AM (fx8sm)
29 Yeah... We gotta kill this health care bill! I can't wait for the GOP to win back congress so we can all just go back to doing whatever the insurance industry tells us to...
-----
Eh..sounds like a seminar caller, tell me..did your little brother lose his left pinky toe cuz of the big,evil, nasty insurance co.??
Or is you Aunt Sadie dyeing of toncilitus cuz it was a pre-existing condition?
Posted by: dananjcon at March 09, 2010 09:30 AM (pr+up)
In the CERN.
Since that POS doesn't work--how about Mount Doom instead?
Mount Doom would work. I just figured let's get the stupid thing out of North America.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 09, 2010 09:30 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: benjamin at March 09, 2010 09:32 AM (jjlGZ)
Posted by: alppuccino at March 09, 2010 09:33 AM (1/6GU)
OT - apologies
But this - http://tinyurl.com/ybh8w9l
is getting surprisingly little MSM coverage. Why?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 09, 2010 09:34 AM (RkRxq)
We gotta kill this health care bill! I can't wait for the GOP to win back congress so we can all just go back to doing whatever the insurance industry tells us to...
You're right. Those packs of insurance people roaming the countryside and frightening people...it's like they are some kind of union or something....
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 09, 2010 09:35 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Deep Throat at March 09, 2010 09:38 AM (ucq49)
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Posted by: just say NO at March 09, 2010 09:39 AM (PI/0J)
Hey, I might vote against this bill. This isn't the right time for this. It's very divisive.
Oh, btw, my brother-in-law could use a job...
Posted by: A Democratic Congressman at March 09, 2010 09:39 AM (TpXEI)
He doesn't have the $4 to get penicillin at WalMart. We have to pass this NOW, before the syphillis starts eating his brain.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 09, 2010 09:39 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: joncelli at March 09, 2010 09:41 AM (RD7QR)
But this - http://tinyurl.com/ybh8w9l
is getting surprisingly little MSM coverage. Why?
We haven't figured out how to spin this as Teabagger violence.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz workin' for the MSM at March 09, 2010 09:41 AM (3wYSZ)
The nomentum is still there. Politico is reporting that there really hasn't been any negotiation on his end with Stupak. Hoyer is also indicating that there is probably no way the vote can be taken by the 18th. The article is entitled "Hoyer rebuffs Gibbs on Deadline".
I have been corresponding with Jay Cost of RealClearPolitics on this issue, and I mentioned to him the National Journal article concerning the article's statement that Stupak has discussed eight pieces of legislation that he has submitted to Waxman, and they are all based on the Hyde Amendment. This is how Mr. Cost responded:
"This article is a good sign for abortion opponents. Those 8 pieces are what he was talking up last week. All of them are the Hyde language. ThatÂ’s what he wants. I take this as a sign that heÂ’s less likely to cave." He then links the Stephanopoulos interview with Stupak and Sebelius in which Stupak SAID THE SAME EXACT THING ABOUT EIGHT PIECES OF LEGISLATION. There has been no movement on this at all, and Stupak has not even had a formal negotiation with Hoyer on the issue. It sounds to me like Stupak was giving the standard boilerplate response as No votes who indicate they want to look at the language before they vote, a response which is then breathlessly trumpeted by the AP to mean the person is leaning toward a switch. The AP article about the supposed "9 undecided Dems" is the perfect example. AP is trying to shape the narrative rather than just report it.
Posted by: Obama is Carter at March 09, 2010 09:41 AM (oa1Ke)
The insurance industry is so sick and so evil, we should pass a law requiring all non-Amish Americans to purchase their products!!!
OK, you've convinced me.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 09, 2010 09:42 AM (mR7mk)
before the syphillis starts eating his brain.
wait, syphillis is a zombie? I might have to get it...
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 09, 2010 09:43 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: Daniel Ellsberg at March 09, 2010 09:43 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: Charles Gibson at March 09, 2010 09:43 AM (Q41Zh)
I don't know if anyone has said this yet -
Fuck Barrack Hussein Obama.
I hope he develops Sickle Cell Anemia.
Posted by: garrett at March 09, 2010 09:49 AM (Qeynb)
We NEED the Democrats to ram this through so we'll win in November.
I know some of you chowderheads can wrap your little heads around this, but trust me, I'm right.
Disagree. Regardless of whether this shit pile is passed as is, or if it's broken down into smaller bills, the Dems are OUT. O-U-T out in November. It is my firm belief that the majority of the public is so pissed off at the leftists in D.C., that they are going to get the boot hard for the danger they can potentially (and from all intentions are trying to do every waking moment) do to this country. Straight to the curb.
Posted by: Chowderhead at March 09, 2010 09:57 AM (wRPBa)
Posted by: Rick Warren at March 09, 2010 11:08 AM (mhD2v)
Posted by: volfan at March 09, 2010 12:34 PM (47eG6)
Posted by: Rahm Emanual at March 09, 2010 01:13 PM (SZy+Y)
#48:
The new term of Congress starts next January after the November elections. If a bill is not passed before the term ends, it is dead and must be re-introduced to the next Congress. So the Democrats have until January to pass this - and really much shorter as elections are coming up.
Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 09, 2010 01:42 PM (nlRuk)
Posted by: Macaroon at March 09, 2010 02:58 PM (F6+/O)
As the dust settles, Nanzi doesn't have the votes. The Dims still have a long way to go to pull this off.
Don't forget! The House doesn't trust the Senate, and there's much in the Senate bill, many in the House can't stomach.
Different Tea Party groups will start descending on their Congresscritter's office beginning Mar 3 and this will continue up to the spring break. Face-to-face is more effective than faxes, emails, letters, or calling.
Courage.
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 09, 2010 06:13 PM (ucq49)
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