May 29, 2010
— Ace Not to Step On Dennis Hopper's Obituary, But... I've been looking for some reason to link this interview with Tory and Cameron-supporter Michael Caine.
Gun to my head, forcing me to choose, he's my favorite all-time actor.
He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.
Several interesting things in the interview:
AVC: [Violent vigilatne movie "Harry Brown," Caine's next film] has drawn criticism for presenting what some have called a “Daily Mail take” on things—that it’s tabloid fear-mongering.MC: That was exactly the reaction. Because one of the things is that if you’re a Socialist newspaper, well, the Socialists have been in power for 12 years, and these are the very poorest people in England, and this is what’s happened to them. So you’ve got to say it’s a load of crap. [Laughs.]
AVC: How did Harry Brown influence your recent coming out as an official spokesman for the Conservative Party?
MC: That came out because they actually had a charity that was trying to take care of these people. This wasn’t something that [Conservative Party leader David] Cameron was going to do if he became Prime Minister; it’s been up and running for ages, and Cameron is part of it. But there’s also another reason—that is, that I don’t belong to any political party. If anybody’s been in too long, I vote for the next lot. [The Labour Party] has been in for three terms now, and I always think that it’s too long. I voted for Maggie Thatcher, and when she’d been in for two terms, I voted for Tony Blair. Now he’s been in too long, and we wound up with Gordon Brown. We didn’t even vote for him. So I thought I’d vote for Cameron this time. But then I told him, “You’ve only got two terms, as well.”
AVC: You told him that to his face?MC: Yeah, I did. I think we should all vote like that. Otherwise weÂ’re just the slaves of any political party. We should vote for the welfare of the country, not for the welfare of the party.
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AVC: But do you think the movie might actually encourage an “us against them” mentality rather than “we should help these people”? The audience I saw it with cheered every time you killed someone.
MC: No, I donÂ’t think so at all, because in the cinema the people weÂ’re killing are really bad people. LetÂ’s put it another way: 80 percent of any gang is not there to attack someone. TheyÂ’re there so no one will attack them. WeÂ’re aiming at that 80 percent that you could possibly save, if you want to put it that way. There are quite a high percentage of people in there who are sociopaths, psychopaths, or hardened criminals who youÂ’re not going to reeducate. All we want to do is reeducate the ones who are too scared. [Laughs.]
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AVC: YouÂ’ve spent a good chunk of your career playing likeable criminals, killers, and cads. WhatÂ’s your secret to making those kinds of characters appealing?
MC: Well, nobodyÂ’s a criminal to himself. You see, I never play a criminal like a bad person. ItÂ’s like the con man in Dirty Rotten Scoundrels: HeÂ’s fooling old ladies for their money and all that. But he never saw himself as [a criminal]. He just saw himself as some kind of romantic figure, which is funny.
AVC: Do you find the more amoral a character, the more interesting it is to play?
MC: Oh yeah, they are more interesting to play. I donÂ’t want to play saints. I donÂ’t think IÂ’d know how to play one, because IÂ’m not one. [Laughs.]
AVC: When you were first coming up, you represented the rough-and-tumble, Cockney, working-class man—the antithesis to more “proper” British heroes. Do you think that those class divisions still exist in pop culture?
MC: No. We broke those down in the ’60s. You have to remember that before people like me came along, the only time you ever saw a Cockney in the movie was either as a thug or a subservient servant of some kind. You never saw [Cockney] heroes until John Osborne wrote Look Back In Anger—the first working-class hero I remember. For instance, in England, all war films were about officers, which is why my lot—my young guys—we all watched American war films. All American war films are about privates. From Here To Eternity, The Naked And The Dead—it’s all about privates. Every British war film was about officers. But I eventually wound up in a play called The Long And The Short And The Tall, which was the first play for the stage ever written about private soldiers. So that was where we broke the class thing down.
I really like that last bit-- Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class).
That's why Robin Hood -- as obvious and iconic a member of the yeomanry, or proto-middle class, as there ever was in all of history (or historic fiction)-- was of course transformed into Lord of Loxley in plays, and then movies, a very dumb conceit that continues to the present day.
And is what's wrong (among dozens and dozens of other things) with the new Ridley Scott Robin Hood -- yeah, sort of, he's a yeoman, but then they still want to make him Lord of Loxley and so have a big boring convoluted patch of the movie which makes him become Lord of Loxley by invitation and deception, and also then they establish that he seems to be the son of a baron or some other nobleman.
It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility. I felt like Russel Crowe had wanted to make him a yeoman, and Ridley Scott wanted to make him a lord, yet again (or vice versa), and the compromise they found was to make him both, which wouldn't be that objectionable, except they wasted my time for over an hour with this wishy-washy partly-one-but-really-the-other nonsense.
Worst movie I ever saw in the theater -- don't see Robin Hood. I could not wait for it to be over, and I had that feeling within 50 minutes.
It was so bad I could never get down to a proper review, because I just kept noodling in my head all the things that were fundamentally wrong with it, and there were too many to detail.
See Iron Man 2 (more of the same, almost as good; not great, but neither was the first one, actually) and, yes, MacGruber, which is very funny and well done, but is not for everyone -- it earns every inch of its R rating with filthy jokes and scatological humor.
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Posted by: TomB at May 29, 2010 01:00 PM (GnoLL)
Can't wait for Harry Brown.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:00 PM (AFMat)
Worst movie I ever saw in the theater -- don't see Robin Hood. I could not wait for it to be over, and I had that feeling within 50 minutes.
Hollywood: out of ideas. All they can churn out are re-makes. Re-makes of Robin Hood and Peter Pan are the lefty-Hollywood favorite.
Tax people and never grow up - what could be better?
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at May 29, 2010 01:01 PM (0fzsA)
Guilty of using the "all" generalization a little there. My favorite British actor has always been Sean Connery. (Yes, a lefty he is).
Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 01:03 PM (6taRI)
See Iron Man 2 (more of the same, almost as good; not great, but neither was the first one, actually) and, yes, MacGruber, which is very funny and well done, but is not for everyone -- it earns every inch of its R rating with filthy jokes and scatological humor.
Posted by: POLAR BEAR at May 29, 2010 01:04 PM (8EPHU)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 01:04 PM (AFMat)
All American war films are about privates.
Or at least, the porn remakes are.
Here we go again, didn't you guys get enough of that last night? Though to be honest, I was wondering how long it would take someone to go there.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 29, 2010 01:07 PM (RZ8pf)
Obama makes that free throw, goes onto a basketball scholarship at UCLA and never enters politics
Posted by: kbdabear at May 29, 2010 01:10 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Ella Fitzgerald at May 29, 2010 01:10 PM (8EPHU)
Almost no detective show ever has a lower-class murderer or victim. Law & Order is a good example, but so is Columbo. Lots of dramas and sitcoms have wealthy and upper-middle-class people.
Posted by: AmishDude at May 29, 2010 01:12 PM (T0NGe)
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Posted by: AmishDude at May 29, 2010 01:13 PM (T0NGe)
Nice.
Saturday Bloggage of the Intelligent Military Variety.
Let me be the first to say Fuck the Flyers.
Go Blackhawks!!!!!
Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 01:18 PM (a9bKy)
Well, the thing is that King John was bleeding his subjects dry with steep taxes that funded his extravagances, so the money that Robin Hood took from King John was really the subject's rightful money in the first place--they were the ones who earned it with their hard work, and King John unjustly took the fruits of their labor way from them so he could live, well, like a king, off of them. Robin Hood wasn't "redistributing the wealth," that's what King John was doing by redistributing practically all of the subject's earnings to himself. Robin Hood was just giving the people back what they rightfully earned and owned (and not in a "social justice" way, they really did deserve that money since they actually worked hard to get it). So, essentially, lefties are much more like King John than Robin Hood because they love to tax hard-working people up the wazoo so they can keep their cushy lifestyles with little-to-no work on their part (Michelle Obama, anybody? And her husband for the matter. Hell, pretty much all lefties, with the many living on fat government paychecks, are like this).
Ah, the irony. Well, they wouldn't be lefties if they weren't clueless.
Posted by: grace at May 29, 2010 01:26 PM (Exq1l)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 29, 2010 01:29 PM (jf5rK)
FTFY.
I don't see how voting for a party just because they've been in opposition for a while is remotely "conservative".
Posted by: Waterhouse at May 29, 2010 01:30 PM (4ucwG)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at May 29, 2010 01:32 PM (9Cooa)
Battle of Britain on TCM. Our lads did a number on Jerry, eh what?
Before Labour ruined the country.
Posted by: RAF Leftenant at May 29, 2010 01:38 PM (OThQg)
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Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 05:03 PM (6taRI)
No, Maurice Micklewhite / Michael Caine was talking about 1940s & 50s films
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 29, 2010 01:52 PM (JrRME)
Posted by: BuddyPC at May 29, 2010 05:51 PM (nSkOL)
Yeah, he's a republican. He said that after his experience in jail he couldn't be a liberal anymore. It's caused some of his fans to hate him.
Posted by: grace at May 29, 2010 01:54 PM (Exq1l)
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Posted by: hitter of softballs at May 29, 2010 02:00 PM (4Kl5M)
America does that too. I remember feeling like all the "typical" families depicted lived in luxury compared the squalor I grew up in.
Posted by: jeannie at May 29, 2010 02:06 PM (RFkOc)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:07 PM (73jUp)
Depends. I think the upper class/lower class gap is much easier to write about over there, especially when you stereotype the lady/lord & butler relationship. But there are some British books about lower class people, such as books by Dickens, Elizabeth Gaskell's North & South, & Jane Austen's Sense & Sensibility. The last two especially establish lower middle to lower-class people as being hard-working & likable, while Dickens often referenced the mistreatment of the poor. Even Lord of the Rings is a celebration of the average man (the hobbits).
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:09 PM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: willow at May 29, 2010 02:09 PM (HyUIR)
Posted by: willow at May 29, 2010 02:11 PM (HyUIR)
Grace @ #21.
Brilliant point. That would make a great anti-thesis (not antithesis) for some senior dissertation at Berkeley. Well done.
Posted by: JDW at May 29, 2010 02:13 PM (7yofg)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:13 PM (Yq+qN)
Oh, now that's just silly. What gave you an idea like that?
Posted by: Harry Warner at May 29, 2010 02:15 PM (Nnplv)
Posted by: Dennis Moore at May 29, 2010 02:17 PM (4Kl5M)
Surely, a revision of your taste is needed, eh, ace?
Among the most entertaining reasons to read this shit blog, is to witness the incremental narrowing of ace's Little List of Acceptable Culture. The ideological filter applied by ace is a cultural cuisinart--if you say something bad about knuckleheads, like George Lucas's admonitions about the idiocies of George Bush, you're rubbed out. That's really sad, considering that Mr. Lucas contributed so much to lil' ace's socialization. When you're a knucklehead, you have to ready yourself for the constant unpleasant duty of hero-erasure.
In the end, all that's left of art is MacGrubert or other puerile yuk-yuks. Actually, I was going to say that porn is finally the only art imaginable revolving towards the black-hole of the knucklehead worldview (Darth Vader in ineluctably evil, and I'm not Darth Vader!). But shit like "First Time with Mother" would be unbearably cathartic for ace.
Posted by: Possibly, you're the stupidest asshole on the internets at May 29, 2010 02:17 PM (6UdAc)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:18 PM (Yq+qN)
Great movie. Caine+Duvall. What a combo.
Yes, that is one of my favorite movies. But you really have to be ready for some hard core schmaltz.
I really like that last bit-- Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class).
I never realized how totally class conscience the Brits were until I started reading Mercedes Lackey's books. Particularly those in the Elemental Masters series.
Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 02:19 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: DoDoGuRu at May 29, 2010 02:20 PM (31pnY)
George, shut your fucking face and kindly start handing Star Wars and Indiana Jones over to people who might know what to do with them.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:21 PM (Nnplv)
Reminds me of one of my favorite "Who's Line is it Anyway?" quip:
Game: "Pick up lines of a Drill Sargent"
Sargent: Everyone line up! I just want to stand here and look at my privates.
Posted by: LousisanaLightning at May 29, 2010 02:23 PM (fJhBR)
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Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:32 PM (73jUp)
I dunno if it can be any worse than seeing Resident Evil: Extinction in the theaters.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 02:33 PM (c0A3e)
For some reason the movies front-load that to make him some sort of nobility from the get-go.
Could this be subconscious result of the need to place him in the crusades? Fighting in them required a lot of money and was undertaken by the nobility. Even the History Channel's thing they did on Robin Hood for the movie points out that fighting in the Crusades was very much a rich man's game. For him to be in them he'd have to be a noble and perhaps that front-loading originates from someone in the past recognizing this fact.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 02:33 PM (oVQFe)
Obviously Caine hasn't gotten the memo.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:36 PM (Nnplv)
60 56 Caine just last month, on The Charlie Rose Show, said that if he were an American, he would be a conservative-ish Democrat.
Obviously Caine hasn't gotten the memo.
Nah, I'm willing to believe there are conservative-ish Democrats. Now conservative-ish Democrat politicians is a complete load of shit.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 02:39 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 02:40 PM (awinc)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:41 PM (EA+Co)
The hell it can't.
Posted by: Guy Who Saw "The Number 23" in the Theaters at May 29, 2010 02:41 PM (Nnplv)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:43 PM (7JES6)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:44 PM (Nnplv)
Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards recovery,
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 02:46 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:48 PM (Nnplv)
Which i'm sure stems from the trauma i experienced watching reruns of Bewitched when i was a kid and having to put up with seeing a different Darin every damn day.
Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 02:49 PM (awinc)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 02:49 PM (7JES6)
Ridley's Scott's "Robin Hood" and "Kingdom of Heaven" are two of the worst movies in the past several years. They've forced me to reassess my view of Scott, not favorably.
In legend, of course, Robin was a Saxon earl (Earl of Locksley), which I guess could be considered nobility. But Saxon earls were far less exalted, far less elevated, because Saxon society and culture was less aristocratic-minded than the continental variants. Hell, before 1066, the King of England was elected by the earls (which is one reason why William's claim to throne after Edward the Confessor died is bogus). A Saxon yeoman or freeman did not bow down to an earl. Saxon society was still influenced by ancient Germanic-Indo-European tribal traditions of group rule, where every warrior/freeman was equal and had a "say" in tribal deliberations, including the election of their chieftains. It really was an attractive society. Then the Normans came and ruined it with their highfalutin' notions. And to think they had once been Vikings ... who became French-ified. Sad. Very sad.
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 02:50 PM (28MmA)
Posted by: eman at May 29, 2010 02:50 PM (kgGdn)
Shit that's right, he IS in that. (Along with Dr. McCoy.) Great movie.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (Nnplv)
no, me thinks it's because of the ameriçan idea of individual self worth underpins most of the movies of the 30's. and operates today. s'wonderful.
I would be interested in knowing when the nobility and crusading first came into the story though.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Crusty at May 29, 2010 02:53 PM (qzgbP)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 02:55 PM (Yq+qN)
Ohhhh no, UH-UH, it's too late now...
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 02:57 PM (Nnplv)
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 06:50 PM (28MmA)
If you're interested here's a crusade historian's review of Kingdom of Heaven
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 02:59 PM (oVQFe)
Thanks, buzzion. I mistankenly posted comments about "Robin Hood" in the Dennis Hopper thread. I get confused so easily.
Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 29, 2010 03:02 PM (28MmA)
...& it was all going so well, too. I thought about it, for 2min. But I couldn't commit. Oh, dear.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:02 PM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Britt at May 29, 2010 03:02 PM (ybKBs)
didnt think robin hood was that bad, though the whole middle of the movie was one gaping plot hole. as for him being "kinda-nobility".... ennhhk. wrong, trebek. he was the son of a blacksmith who was a revolutionary in the movie. his dad was something of a proto-thomas paine, which is kinda pseudo-historically cool because it sets up the whole back story to king john signing the magna carta.
Posted by: A.G. at May 29, 2010 03:04 PM (qrKUQ)
@64: "I dunno if it can be any worse than seeing Resident Evil: Extinction in the theaters.
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The hell it can't."
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Pshaw! Pshaw, I say!
Posted by: A poor bastard who got dragged to "Cutthroat Island" at May 29, 2010 03:06 PM (8MuSQ)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 03:08 PM (73jUp)
Michael Caine...an East Ender, despite his wealth.
Read his remarks about his mom, and his upbringing.
His marriage is a long term one and he is a man's man. That's why I love him.
Posted by: Who knows at May 29, 2010 03:09 PM (aE/nJ)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 03:24 PM (9Lm5R)
"Britain really does have that tradition of only writing books and making movies about the upper class (or at least "respectable" middle class)."
In light of that, it's ironic that the Cockney Caine's first starring role was as a snooty upper-class British Army officer in Zulu.
good film.
i've been watching old war movies on TMC or AMC, i can never tell the difference. anywho, people have always been telling me "The Battle of Britain" is a great film and I have to say i didn't like it at all. The acting was ok, the air battles were god awful, and it ended so abruptly.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:26 PM (DKV43)
wanta know how caine met his wife?
she was a model and he saw her in an advert. he knew, saw something, knew, she was the one. rang her up. she dissuaded. he persisted. he won her heart. they lived happily ever after. baby, sometimes, ya's know.
that's funny. oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:27 PM (DKV43)
that's funny. oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 07:27 PM (DKV43)
You got that too huh, I hate it when they come to your door and serve you in broad daylight.
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 03:30 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: gomm at May 29, 2010 03:31 PM (EA+Co)
If we had more people like that here, the Republican party might not have gone off the rails into Christian Socialism.
Posted by: Lee at May 29, 2010 03:31 PM (zF8wD)
oddly enough I'm legally prohibited from calling any Victoria's Secrets models any more.
Their lawyers are mean.
Posted by: Dang Straights at May 29, 2010 03:32 PM (4Q7Cg)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:32 PM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 03:32 PM (9Lm5R)
Still here but there is only so much you can say about Michael Caine.
Posted by: Vic at May 29, 2010 03:33 PM (6taRI)
Posted by: Book Geek at May 29, 2010 03:34 PM (1+OO5)
Sleepy Saturday. I take it everyone's gone to BBQ?
I just came in from doing a ton of yard work.
not much on the HQ, or any website for that matter. i wish the leak in the gulf would take the weekend off.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:35 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 07:32 PM (Yq+qN)
It would have to be an underwater BBQ here.
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 03:35 PM (fwSHf)
Another good Michael Caine war film is Play Dirty. Love the notorious ending.....
he was good in The Longest Day, which was altogether one of the better WW2 movies.
I would have to say I think Tora Tora Tora is probably the best.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:36 PM (DKV43)
It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility.
Groan.
Posted by: rdbrewer at May 29, 2010 03:37 PM (8EPHU)
" he's my favorite all-time actor."
I don't know, kind of a thin resume; a few mediocre flicks in the seventies, and lights out.
Sorta lik, I don't know, Todd Rundgren maybe?
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:37 PM (GkYyh)
...& his seeming neglect of period dramas produced by both the BBC & ITV.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:37 PM (Yq+qN)
"Zulu" is one of my top ten favorite movies and it wouldn't have been the same film without Caine.
I just saw "Alfie" a few years ago and I was actually blown away at its strong anti-abortion message; the main character was horrified at the "remains" and made a speech about how he killed that child. Everyone talks about how the movie was an indictment of the "swinger's lifestyle" but it was really much more than that and was certainly a much better film than I expected.
"Sleuth." Him and Olivier. Oh yeah.
And Caine is just sexy, he always has been even with that terrible hair.
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:39 PM (qF8q3)
He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.
I knew a woman in my last neigbourhood who said she voted Liberal because, "It was time to give the other guys a chance."(I Live in Alberta Canada where most people haven't voted Liberal since the 1920s.)
I said to her, "How big would you like the provincial sale tax to be?"(Alberta doesn't have a provincial sales tax because, culturally and traditionally, Albertans are against taxes and we're the only Canadian province that doesn't have one)
She said, "I never thought of that!"
(the Liberal Party of Alberta is on record as saying that Albertan resistence against a sales tax is "juvenile" and that if they formed a government in Alberta, they would institute one)
Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 03:39 PM (o0R2E)
It spends the first half hour establishing him as a yeoman commoner, and then the next hour fighting itself to back-door him into the nobility.
Groan
this is why the last film I saw in the theater was The Dark Knight. I never go to the movies anymore.
There is a small artsy theater near me that plays cuts classics late night sometimes, so I will catch Donnie Darko at midnight, but i never see new movies anymore. They just aren't very good.
I find that foreign films tend to be better.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:40 PM (DKV43)
He says he's supporting conservatives just because he supported Labor previously, but Hopper said something like that too, and I'm not sure if this isn't just to cushion the blow to his lefty fans.
I knew a woman in my last neigbourhood who said she voted Liberal because, "It was time to give the other guys a chance."(I Live in Alberta Canada where most people haven't voted Liberal since the 1920s.)
I said to her, "How big would you like the provincial sale tax to be?"(Alberta doesn't have a provincial sales tax because, culturally and traditionally, Albertans are against taxes and we're the only Canadian province that doesn't have one)
She said, "I never thought of that!"
(the Liberal Party of Alberta is on record as saying that Albertan resistence against a sales tax is "juvenile" and that if they formed a government in Alberta, they would institute one)
if america splits , alberta can come with us. same with some of the other right leaning canuck provinces.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:41 PM (DKV43)
Love that movie! It's no Great Escape or Bridge Over the River Kwai, but it really gives you a sense of what it was like on D-Day. All-star cast as well. Trivia:
Richard Todd (playing Major John Howard, Officer Commanding D Company of The 2nd Battalion The Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light Infantry, Air Landing Brigade, 6th Airborne Division) was himself in Normandy on D-Day, and participated as Capt. Todd of the 7th Parachute Battalion, 5th Parachute Brigade, British 6th Airborne Division. His battalion actually went into action as reinforcements, via a parachute jump (after the gliders had landed and completed the initial coup de main assault).
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:41 PM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:41 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:44 PM (Yq+qN)
he was good in The Longest Day,
Caine wasn't in The Longest Day.
you're right. I was thinking of a film he was in about Burma or India, part of the southeast asian theater of the second world war. i can't think of the name
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:45 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:46 PM (qF8q3)
Perhaps he was thinking of A Bridge Too Far?
yeah. that was it. i am forgetful since a VC grenade went off near my head back when i was invading Wei with Blumenthal
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:46 PM (DKV43)
Ben,,
It's kinda like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....
or like how internet rumors caused the First World War.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:48 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 03:49 PM (qF8q3)
Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 03:49 PM (7b1Uc)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:50 PM (Yq+qN)
invading Wei with Blumenthal
I heard you guys were in Hue too. You were everywhere.
but we were saved by Greg Kinnear who flew his chopper into heavy action to get us out.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:50 PM (DKV43)
Read it and bask in the humming hypocrisy, radiating racism, and sheer stupidity.
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 29, 2010 03:51 PM (zgd5N)
but we were saved by Greg Kinnear who flew his chopper into heavy action to get us out.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 07:50 PM (DKV43)
Yeah that's right and Tom Harkin was flying close air support. I remember now.
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 03:52 PM (fwSHf)
I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.
Come on, it had Obi-Wan.
the end was too over the top for me.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:52 PM (DKV43)
So which did everyone like better? Band of Brothers VS The Pacific. I gotta go with Band of Brothers.
i stopped watching the pacific after the third episode. I thought it was so bad I would wait a while and go back and watch it.
there was too much to not like.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 03:53 PM (DKV43)
I did not care for the Bridge Over the River Kwai at all.
Lean had a tendency to be long-winded, & there were parts he could have skipped. Sturges' Great Escape is honestly the better film, IMO. But I still enjoy Kwai, mainly due to Sir Alec, Jack Hawkins, & James Donald. William Holden was good, but he wasn't great.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:53 PM (Yq+qN)
His first feature role was in Zulu that I've just Googled to see was 1964 contrasted with 1962 for The Longest Day.
Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 03:54 PM (7b1Uc)
Good thing he has that liberal free pass card.
Posted by: Noticer of Things at May 29, 2010 03:55 PM (XBdMr)
Was Alec Guiness the voice of Obi-Wan?
Posted by: BradNo, Alec Guiness played Hattie McDaniel in Gone With the Wind.
Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at May 29, 2010 03:56 PM (zgd5N)
A militarily-knowledgeable friend said the same thing, but he stuck with it and said it started getting great after the fifth show (IIRC).
Posted by: andycanuck at May 29, 2010 03:56 PM (7b1Uc)
lol, I'm lurking. Just don't have anything interesting to say about this.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 03:57 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 03:58 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 03:59 PM (Yq+qN)
i stopped watching the pacific after the third episode.
A militarily-knowledgeable friend said the same thing, but he stuck with it and said it started getting great after the fifth show (IIRC).
yeah i will come around and finish it eventually. its just not on the top of my list.
There was so much that pissed me off about it I had to walk away. I am not talking about historical stuff, just production quality, story telling, etc.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:00 PM (DKV43)
I like Sir Alec best in Lawrence of Arabia, because he plays a smarmy irresponsible hypocrite so well.
He knew he "must be a king" so some leeway should be given. Loved the makeup, too.
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 04:01 PM (qF8q3)
Michael Caine is as awesome as Robin Hood was not awesome. They are complete polar opposites in quality.
Thought the movie had been 2 hrs - and we were only 40 mins in. Only good thing: making the French villains.
Harry Palmer FTW . . . but Jaws 4 into the pit with Robin Hood.
Posted by: The Q at May 29, 2010 04:02 PM (pfStM)
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:03 PM (DKV43)
Damn it!
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 04:04 PM (c0A3e)
154
I like Sir Alec best in Lawrence of Arabia, because he plays a smarmy irresponsible hypocrite so well.
Looks like I've got a role in the remake!
Posted by: Barack Obama at May 29, 2010 04:05 PM (pfStM)
Ben at May 29, 2010 07:41 PM (DKV43)
"As announced in Budget 2009, the government plans to directly borrow $3.3 billion over three years commencing in 2009-10 to support almost $21 billion capital spending over that period. " (This by the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party that made Alberta the only DEBT FREE jurisdiction in the world. They even passed a law making it Illegal to have Deficit Budgets, but since we got a new Premier, "Steady Eddie" Stelmach, who broke that law and brought back deficits.
Alberta Heritage Fund: $14.4 Billion Surplus in the bank from Oil Royalties. (the surplus would be $80-100 Billion if it wasn't for Government Sector Union pandering)
Why the Alberta Progressive Conservatives are paying debt service costs and making Alberta into a province saddled with debt when the PCs have the option to cut costs and shrink government like every other jurisdiction, plus the Heritage Fund, can only be answered by the desire to throw Alberta's economy onto the fast sinking ship that the rest of the world economy is tied to and be traitors to the people of Alberta.
Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 04:06 PM (o0R2E)
"Lawrence of Arabia" = super awesome movie...and not just because Peter O'Toole was all kinds of hot. It's another one of my Top Ten Favorites of all time.
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 04:06 PM (qF8q3)
"does anyone know if Tali Ihantala has been made with english sub titles yet? Those Finns make great war films."
Yeah, like Leningrad Cowboys and The Year of the Hare....
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (GkYyh)
Posted by: brak at May 29, 2010 04:07 PM (W5NBA)
I think it's a freakin' SIN to even mention a movie like "Footloose" in a thread like this.
I don't care how bad "Jaws IV" was, that's just disrespectful.
Posted by: BB at May 29, 2010 04:08 PM (qF8q3)
I always liked Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's.
CDR M
My favorite Caine film too, although I love Second hand Lions with Robeta Duval, it's a HOOT.
Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 04:09 PM (o0R2E)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 04:13 PM (Yq+qN)
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:16 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 29, 2010 04:18 PM (Yq+qN)
I always liked Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, too. He played well off of Martin and Glenne Headley. Headley has always been seriously underrated. It's not his best work, by far, but a fun light romp of a movie.
BTW, where'd all the trolls come from?
Posted by: di butler, fan gurl at May 29, 2010 04:21 PM (S3xX1)
Actually, I've seen Tosh.O. He is pretty funny.
the stand up routine was better than the clip show in my mind.
It's like the Jim Gaffegan special. I can watch it over and over.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:23 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 29, 2010 04:23 PM (9Lm5R)
Too Late The Hero is probably the one you're thinking of, with Cliff Robertson.
it was black and white if my memory serves me correctly?
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:24 PM (DKV43)
Second Hand Lions starts out with Caine and Duval as a couple of rich old coots who get their entertainment by sitting on the porch of their reclusive country house waiting for traveling salesmen. They sit there with loaded shotguns beside them and shoot at the salesmen(copious warning signs all along their private road leading to the house)
Funny and poignant character growth. The ending has the rich old adventurerers going out with, boots on and fighting finish with a suitably American BANG!
Loved it.
Posted by: Speller at May 29, 2010 04:29 PM (o0R2E)
Posted by: ron dorque at May 29, 2010 04:34 PM (Bx3C6)
Posted by: di butler, fan gurl at May 29, 2010 04:34 PM (S3xX1)
Posted by: katya at May 29, 2010 04:35 PM (R176e)
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 08:28 PM (GkYyh)
Comment 47 I would think. They also left one on the previous thread.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 04:35 PM (oVQFe)
That's erg, he leaves the same basic comment every time Ace talks about conservatives in the entertainment industry.
Posted by: koopy at May 29, 2010 04:41 PM (awinc)
Actually, I've seen Tosh.O. He is pretty funny.
the stand up routine was better than the clip show in my mind.
It's like the Jim Gaffegan special. I can watch it over and over.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 08:23 PM (DKV43)
Tosh.0 has new episodes starting wednesday. A lot of the jokes and comments he makes on that are based around his standup bits. Basically shows his sense of humor.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 04:41 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes at May 29, 2010 04:43 PM (uFdnM)
Posted by: Brad at May 29, 2010 04:43 PM (GkYyh)
Oddly enough, from NY!?!?
But I was born a Hawks fan, apparently. Haven't been this excited since the days of Roenick and Keenan!!!!
Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 04:49 PM (tG1Je)
Funny and poignant character growth. The ending has the rich old adventurerers going out with, boots on and fighting finish with a suitably American BANG!
Loved it.
That was a good film. However the Osment kid almost tanked the film with his terrible acting,
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:50 PM (DKV43)
Oddly enough, from NY!?!?
But I was born a Hawks fan, apparently. Haven't been this excited since the days of Roenick and Keenan!!!!
i remember when we crushed you in 1992.
Posted by: Ben at May 29, 2010 04:52 PM (DKV43)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at May 29, 2010 04:54 PM (jf5rK)
Posted by: ace at May 29, 2010 04:55 PM (66DVY)
Posted by: Michelle Johnson's breasts (when she was 18) at May 29, 2010 04:57 PM (GnoLL)
Thanks!
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 04:59 PM (iBTj9)
Posted by: Tony Esposito, Old # 35 at May 29, 2010 05:02 PM (8WOM0)
i remember when we crushed you in 1992.
Whole year down the drain with one bad call! I thoiught Keenan was going through that little plexi hole into the scorekeepers booth...funny shit, that.
Posted by: garrett at May 29, 2010 05:05 PM (tG1Je)
Posted by: Joe Biden, American at May 29, 2010 05:07 PM (uFdnM)
If you take a butter knife, hold it above your head, yell out "By the power of Greyskull!", and then touch the cord with the knife, it should work again.
/Seriously, maybe it's broken but the sheath is still intact. Try cutting open the sheath around where the chomping down occurred and see if the wires are broken.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 05:07 PM (c0A3e)
If any of you are of the praying variety, the word you're looking for is "Jeff".
Thanks.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at May 29, 2010 05:07 PM (wrL7T)
Posted by: Editor at May 29, 2010 05:07 PM (YX6i/)
If Summer Glau shows up as the girlfriend, I'm there.
But only if she gets naked and lets John "check her internal power cell" like in the last episode.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 05:08 PM (O95Bs)
Posted by: Something Wicked This Way Comes... at May 29, 2010 05:10 PM (uFdnM)
Fuck you. I'll be soaring back to relevancy with the startling expose on who's funding Barney Frank's back waxes, that I'll be posting sometime later when I feel like it.
Posted by: Erick Erickson at May 29, 2010 05:10 PM (O95Bs)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 09:07 PM (c0A3e)
Uhmm you may want to unplug it first but that is optional
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 05:10 PM (fwSHf)
Thanks for the safety tip, robtr.
/Thought that was obvious, but I'll be more clear in the future.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 05:13 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 09:13 PM (c0A3e)
We're talking morons here Kratos
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 05:15 PM (fwSHf)
Kratos, do we really have to bring up the circumcision topic again?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 05:16 PM (O95Bs)
Posted by: Waiting for Some Prawn at May 29, 2010 05:17 PM (uFdnM)
(actually worked the kinks out of the cord, unplugged it and plugged it back in and it started working)
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 05:17 PM (iBTj9)
Lord, no!
/Forget I said anything. Go magick!
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 05:18 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 09:17 PM (iBTj9)
So the electrons were blocked by a kink, interesting. Keep a fire extinguisher handy.
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 05:19 PM (fwSHf)
"Try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light."
"Total protonic reversal!"
"Right, that's bad. Okay, important safety tip, thanks Egon."
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at May 29, 2010 05:19 PM (O95Bs)
Good.
Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at May 29, 2010 05:20 PM (c0A3e)
The Ipcress file was the first of his films I saw, and it I was fine.
He became somnolent to me when he returned as Harry Palmer in Funeral in Berlin. I not only slept through 2/3 of it, I went back to the theater to give it a second try, and I slept through all but 10 minutes of it.
After that I kept trying, and finally gave up some time in the 90s. I see him now on DVD in short sittings. He's a fine actor in many of his stints, but there must be something about this guy's voice.
I'd be surprised if I'm the only one this happens to, but I may be the only one who admits it.
In the meantime: Insomniacs -- eat your heart out!
Posted by: Pascal at May 29, 2010 05:21 PM (mE7Cl)
What an interesting concept. Too bad it will never catch on.
Posted by: GarandFan at May 29, 2010 05:21 PM (6mwMs)
Sigh.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 05:22 PM (iBTj9)
Posted by: robtr at May 29, 2010 05:24 PM (fwSHf)
Posted by: Lord Stanley at May 29, 2010 09:10 PM (tG1Je)
Damn skippy we do.
Posted by: World at May 29, 2010 05:25 PM (1fanL)
Posted by: FUBAR at May 29, 2010 05:27 PM (1fanL)
I know. I'll go buy a new one when I get a chance. I'm just glad the boy didn't eletrocute himself.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 05:30 PM (iBTj9)
She was 17, and they were spectacular.
Posted by: davidt at May 29, 2010 05:40 PM (HtIec)
That was annoying, and the other actor better (and a fresher face), but he simply refused to do the sequel, so they had no choice.
I don't even think it was a negotiating ploy. I think he just didn't feel like it.
Um I thought that it was Marvels decision. Because based on his contract the actor that played Rhodey stood to be the highest paid one in the sequel.
225 You know, I have a 5 month old puppy in the house and I always correct her for chewing on the cord. Never occurred to me to tell the 5 year old not to.Sigh.
Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 29, 2010 09:22 PM (iBTj9)
Cured my Beagle of chewing on cords with a paintbruch and tobasco sauce.
Posted by: buzzion at May 29, 2010 05:59 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 29, 2010 07:07 PM (ahCAJ)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 29, 2010 07:14 PM (xbjB9)
Seriously, Kratos. This is the ONT. Show some decorum.
(Everyone knows this is the buttsex thread)
Posted by: Zimriel at May 29, 2010 07:17 PM (xbjB9)
Posted by: moi at May 30, 2010 03:26 PM (Ez4Ql)
Maybe Obama can save us all. There's hope that he can change this movie into a real block buster!
*sigh
He's so dreamy!
Posted by: 1idvet at May 30, 2010 03:39 PM (iMyIW)
Posted by: moi at May 30, 2010 04:38 PM (Ez4Ql)
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A friend of mine sent me this link to the movie Harry Brown being available online for free. Worth a few tries....
http://tinyurl.com/22nf5x9
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