July 02, 2010

Michael Steele: Afghanistan Is War "Of Obama's Choosing"
— DrewM

We hadn't heard from Steele in quite some time. Well, break time is over, everyone back on your heads*.

This time Steele steps in it regarding Afghanistan.

"Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama's choosing. This was not something that the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in," he said. "But it was the president who was trying to be cute by half by building a script demonizing Iraq, while saying the battle really should be in Afghanistan. Well, if he is such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan?"

And never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Is Steele's position that we shouldn't have gone to Afghanistan after 9/11? That when things started going really badly there in 06-07 we should have left? That would put him at odds with just about every Republican, save perhaps Ron Paul.

If you look really hard and twist his plain words, you can kind of almost see that he's trying to say something about Obama's bad mouthing Iraq and claiming the US should have only focused on Afghanistan. That critique (which isn't what Steele really said) only works if Obama had come into office and cut and run. Considering he surged troops to Afghanistan and doubled down on it with the Petraeus appointment, it makes no sense.

There's simply no way to look at what Steele said and conclude he has the slightest idea of what he's talking about when it comes to the history of why we are in Afghanistan or what Obama has done there since coming to office.

As Bill Kristol says, it's time for Mr. Steele to leave the building.


*If you don't get the reference, it's an old joke.

Posted by: DrewM at 08:43 AM | Comments (133)
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1 I built up and immunity to Iocaine powder in Australia.

Posted by: dagny at July 02, 2010 08:45 AM (ZbE/9)

2 Will someone please, please kick this dipshit to the curb?  What a fucking embarassment.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 08:45 AM (5aa4z)

3 I thought that the one thing you never did was play poker with a guy named after a city.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2010 08:45 AM (xxgag)

4

One would think that all that time to think of something to say, he would have chosen to say something coherent.

Damn.  I used to like that guy.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 08:47 AM (r1h5M)

5 If Steele would have said "there is no way you should engage in nation-building in Afghanistan" I would have agreed.  Because the Afghans are not ready to create a "nation" in any sense of that word.

Posted by: Ken Royall at July 02, 2010 08:47 AM (9zzk+)

6 HAWHAWwhawwhawwww!!! I love watching the wingnuts implode!

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 02, 2010 08:47 AM (7+pP9)

7 It was better when Steele kept his trap shut.



Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 08:48 AM (9hSKh)

8 I thought that the one thing you never did was play poker with a guy named after a city.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2010 12:45 PM (xxgag)


It's not always that dangerous.

Posted by: Phil "Phuket" Phillips at July 02, 2010 08:48 AM (5aa4z)

9 It's high time Steele is shown the door.  Actually, that should have happened a few years ago.  He's killing the Party.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 02, 2010 08:49 AM (RbkP3)

10 He's to the left of me? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: President Barack Hussien Obama at July 02, 2010 08:49 AM (ngD76)

11 6 HAWHAWwhawwhawwww!!! I love watching the wingnuts implode!

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 02, 2010 12:47 PM (7+pP9)

Dude, you are a boon to dipshits.  You give them someone to look down on.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 08:50 AM (r1h5M)

12 Jebus Steele, just shut the fuck up.

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 08:50 AM (OlN4e)

13 Nice July 4th gift to the jugeared fuck, Steele.  The MFM will run with this to the exclusion of whatever shit Bammy steps in throughout the weekend.  The unemployment numbers don't even exist to the insane press posse now.

What a fuckhead.  Thanks again, country clubbers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 02, 2010 08:50 AM (md/wF)

14 Who forgot to put the lid on the troll feed?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 08:51 AM (5aa4z)

15 This was not something that the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in," he said.


I hate those accidental wars.

Posted by: Rocks at July 02, 2010 08:52 AM (Q1lie)

16 I enjoy being on my head.  mmmmm....snack time.

Posted by: pathetic progressive at July 02, 2010 08:52 AM (OMRnD)

17 Is anything Steele has done distinguishable from the actions of somebody who wants to sabotage the party?

Posted by: joncelli at July 02, 2010 08:53 AM (RD7QR)

18 Wow I can't believe he could say something so stupid.  It's like his inner liberal is finally coming out.

Posted by: NC Ref at July 02, 2010 08:54 AM (ZApyn)

19

Fear me!

Posted by: Jim "Des Moines" Ackerman at July 02, 2010 08:54 AM (aOKEC)

20 Lord love him, Steele is just not that bright.

Posted by: toby928 at July 02, 2010 08:54 AM (4WbTI)

21 If you crossed Steele with Gibson, you would have a liberal, someone who is an idiot and hates himself.

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 08:54 AM (OlN4e)

22

The RNC phones me all the time.  I have politely informed them at least 4 times that I will make a generous contribution if and when Steele is no longer at the helm. 

Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at July 02, 2010 08:55 AM (8uZ8A)

23 Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 02, 2010 12:47 PM (7+pP9)

Who are you and what have you done with Ed Anger?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (2PTT7)

24 Is it true that he can not be got rid of until the next convention?

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (6taRI)

25 Um, Mikey? Could you lift your foot a little? Please?

Posted by: Michael Steele's dick at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (9Sbz+)

26

Imagine bar room conversation between Steele and Biden. Clash of the cretins.

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (OlN4e)

27 Occum's razor gives us two choices, either he is an idiot or a scheming dem plant.

Maybe 3 choices, he could be both.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (OMRnD)

28 #4  One would think that all that time to think of something to say, he would have chosen to say something coherent.

Seriously.  "this was not something that the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in"?  WTF was Michael thinking?  This doesn't even make any sense, given that we've been there almost 9 years.

Michael was trying to be cute as well and epically fails at that.  Can we recall him?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 08:56 AM (9hSKh)

29 AoS, come for the politics, stay for the Princess Bride references.

Posted by: Moronettes everywhere at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (I2Yog)

30 Michael Steele's mouth is just too big to fail.

Posted by: t-bird at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (FcR7P)

31
Who are you and what have you done with Ed Anger?

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 02, 2010 12:56 PM (2PTT7)

I'm just bored as hell and wanted to liven things up a bit.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (7+pP9)

32

"Gird your loins."

Joe "Wilmington" Biden

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (5aa4z)

33 O/T:  Speaking of hearing from someone, notice how often we hear from Boehner and Pelosi?  Where the f**k is Mitch McConnel?  Does he even go to work in the morning?  He should be strafing Obama every time he says something stupid (twice a day).

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (6BboT)

34 Sh*t My Chairman Says

Posted by: BlackOrchid at July 02, 2010 08:58 AM (SB0V2)

35 Occum's razor gives us two choices, either he is an idiot or a scheming dem plant.

Maybe 3 choices, he could be both.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 12:56 PM (OMRnD)

Or a fourth choice.  Maybe he, like Obama, is just too smart for us little people to understand.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2010 08:59 AM (xxgag)

36 I'm just bored as hell and wanted to liven things up a bit.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 02, 2010 12:58 PM (7+pP9)

Have you tried slamming your dick in the door?

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 08:59 AM (OlN4e)

37 I'm just bored as hell and wanted to liven things up a bit.

I was wondering.  That was such awful trolling I should have suspected a regular moron, incapable of being that stupid despite noble effort.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 09:00 AM (5aa4z)

38


O/T holy shit.  The Dow is cratering.

Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 09:00 AM (UaxA0)

39 Maybe someone will take Breitbart up on his $100 thou reward for the journo-list info. I bet Steele is on it....

Posted by: PAgirlinNC at July 02, 2010 09:01 AM (uw4gI)

40

I'm just bored as hell and wanted to liven things up a bit.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 02, 2010 12:58 PM (7+pP9)

Have you tried slamming your dick in the door?

Posted by: maddogg at July 02, 2010 12:59 PM (OlN4e)

I broke every door in the house doing that.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 02, 2010 09:01 AM (7+pP9)

41 Michael Steele - ruining the RNC... with his mind.

Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 09:01 AM (pUfK9)

42 Good to see I'm not the only one with an own goal. This Steele fellow, though, he deserves a straight red, too.

Posted by: Felipe Melo at July 02, 2010 09:02 AM (FcR7P)

43 O/T holy shit.  The Dow is cratering.

Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 01:00 PM (UaxA0)


What are you talking about?  So far, it's limited to a high double digit loss for the day.  More proof that Obama is on the right track.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2010 09:02 AM (xxgag)

44 Spoke too soon.  Now low triple digit loss for the day.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 02, 2010 09:03 AM (xxgag)

45 i was just wondering where michael steele was.........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 02, 2010 09:03 AM (ucxC/)

46 Have you tried slamming your dick in the door? sounds like my Tuesday night.

Posted by: Al Gore at July 02, 2010 09:04 AM (eoYse)

47 Obama:  Being an American not a matter of "blood or birth".  http://tinyurl.com/2dbf7p3

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 02, 2010 09:05 AM (5aa4z)

48

Michael Steele should just stay in the strip club until the GOP grows a pair and replaces his ass.

Posted by: Blazer at July 02, 2010 09:05 AM (t72+4)

49 What federal candidates should be saying, as I have advised my guy, is to wrap the costs, fiscal and otherwise, around the heads of incumbents.

Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 09:05 AM (e8YaH)

50


low triple digit?

111 now. 


The chocolate ration is being increased to 5 grammes from 12 grammes.  YAY!

Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 09:05 AM (UaxA0)

51 52 Have you tried slamming your dick in the door? Hello ladies. Now which one of you is "The Door"?

Posted by: W. Folks at July 02, 2010 09:06 AM (eoYse)

52 O/T holy shit.  The Dow is cratering.

No worries, the fed comes to the rescue daily at the bottom of the hour.  You can set your watch to 1:30 eastern time by watching the dow.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 09:06 AM (OMRnD)

53 Occum's razor gives us two choices, either he is an idiot or a scheming dem plant. Posted by: Guy Fawkes

No, Occam's wouldn't lead you to the idea that he's a plant. You have to invent a conspiracy to get to that idea, contra Occam's.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.
Entia -> entities. No need to multiply them.

There is only one direct conclusion - he's unqualified.

Posted by: Garbonzon the Garrulous at July 02, 2010 09:07 AM (N/7an)

54 @53: Obama is confusing being an American with being in America.

Posted by: t-bird at July 02, 2010 09:07 AM (FcR7P)

55

Have you tried slamming your dick in the door?




That's the only way to release your third Chakra

Posted by: Al Gore at July 02, 2010 09:07 AM (t72+4)

56 Where the f**k is Mitch McConnel?  Does he even go to work in the morning?

Hell, he may be screaming out crap every day and the MFM just not giving him air time. I almost threw something at my new TV earlier when Fox was on with their "political" commentator talking about Barton and Boehnor "shooting themselves in the foot".

The MFM takes a 10 second quote out of a 30 min speech and misleads the hell out of the public and then they have the nerve to talk about "shooting themselves in the foot".

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 09:09 AM (6taRI)

57 I have nothing to add to (or subtract from) this thread.  I am also completely worthless to my employer, today. 

Posted by: Editor at July 02, 2010 09:10 AM (pUfK9)

58 I'm not dead yet  -88.85  (-0.91%)

Posted by: DJIA at July 02, 2010 09:10 AM (4WbTI)

59
While you morons are playing poker, I'm playing eight dimensional 3 card monty...

Oh shit...where did I put that queen?

Posted by: Michael Steele at July 02, 2010 09:11 AM (Oxen1)

60 Totally OT, but for those of you who don't like Twilight or soccer http://preview.tinyurl.com/27cto6s

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at July 02, 2010 09:11 AM (5aVkt)

61 BTW; I have grown sour on Steele as well that is something we have to be careful about here. We need to remember that this is a report from an article in The Hill which is a notorious left wing Dem PR rag.

The money quote from the article is actually quoted by the Dems themselves. So is it really believable?

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) pushed out the video, which shows Steele saying that the war is of "Obama's choosing" and that it is nearly impossible to win a land war in the Central Asian country.

Posted by: Vic at July 02, 2010 09:12 AM (6taRI)

62 Michael Steele acted stupidly. Thanks Mike.

Posted by: Barack Obama at July 02, 2010 09:13 AM (Q1lie)

63 Damn.  Somebody get Michael Steele booked for every weekend until November!!!!!!

Posted by: Sunday Morning Shows at July 02, 2010 09:14 AM (pUfK9)

64


Here, he says he's not dead!



Yes he is.


(I'm just thinking that the momentum going into this afternoon is going to be hard to reverse.  The Fed money dump has proven less effective of late, but you never know. 

It sure would be nice to see everything going to shit before the 4th weekend.

Thanks, Indonesian Imbecile!

Posted by: s'moron at July 02, 2010 09:14 AM (UaxA0)

65 Steele is correct, Obama has stepped into in in Astan. BUT...this is a nuanced discussion...and he should stay far, far away from it. So please STFU !

Posted by: JOhn at July 02, 2010 09:15 AM (6FYZ6)

66 I'm just thinking that the momentum going into this afternoon is going to be hard to reverse.  The Fed money dump has proven less effective of late, but you never know.   Posted by: s'moron

Indeed. Do you have a volume screen? If it's low, then the chances of a 2:30 turn around are exceedingly high.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 02, 2010 09:16 AM (N/7an)

67 What happens when the S&P 500 goes below 1000?

Posted by: Rocks at July 02, 2010 09:16 AM (Q1lie)

68

55 What federal candidates should be saying, as I have advised my guy, is to wrap the fiscal and other costs of crimmigration and amnesty, around the heads of incumbents.

 

OK that should teach me not to type while I'm taking a call and hearing a story about someone's stupid husband's poison ivy.

Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 09:17 AM (e8YaH)

69

73 What happens when the S&P 500 goes below 1000?

You wake up looking like Ed Koch.  Eeesh.

Posted by: Truman North at July 02, 2010 09:17 AM (e8YaH)

70 I hope that was biorobotic Michael Steele.  George Lucas did this, right?

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at July 02, 2010 09:18 AM (HaYO4)

71 There is only one direct conclusion - he's unqualified.

Fair enough, I will go with that.

As for the dow and the economy, something called the ECRI is at -7.7, all you need to know is if it reaches -10, it is a guaranteed recession, 42 years of data and it has a 100% reliability.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 09:18 AM (OMRnD)

72 Michael Steele beclowns himself with mangled movie lines and his own stupidity, but mostly with his own stupidity.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Professional Debate Team at July 02, 2010 09:21 AM (eCAn3)

73 As for the dow and the economy, something called the ECRI is at -7.7, all you need to know is if it reaches -10, it is a guaranteed recession, 42 years of data and it has a 100% reliability.

My Gayger Counter is pegged at "Fucked Up the Arse with a Garden Weasel™".

Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 09:21 AM (aOKEC)

74 Steele.

You are so...fired!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose which is a reference to the animal in the deer family not the religion of peace. at July 02, 2010 09:23 AM (0q2P7)

75 And you can bet whatever is left in your 401K that the Dems won't hesitate to make commercials out of Steele's gaffe or misstatement, whatever.

Talk about politically tone-deaf.  It takes words of this much stupidity to make Obama look like a hawk, for fuck's sake!

Here's my advice to Steele for the 2010 Midterms- drink a nice cup of STFU and help out in fund raising in ways that don't require you to speak.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 02, 2010 09:23 AM (9hSKh)

76

In this poll just out;

3000% of respondents say that Obama is still a bigger jackass than Steele.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 09:24 AM (r1h5M)

77

Also:

Poll was scientific and was conducted in all 57 states.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 09:25 AM (r1h5M)

78 Figures a bunch of nazi racist republicans would respond to a black man's comments this way.

This is what I get for trying to lead the nazi party.

Send me money!

Posted by: Michael Steele at July 02, 2010 09:25 AM (IhQuA)

79 Wow!  Sucks to be you guys.  I can't imagine what it would be like if the Democrats had a high-profile politico always saying dumb stuff and putting his foot in his mouth.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 02, 2010 09:26 AM (XxAYS)

80

Eligibility for the poll was based on being one of the ones they themselves had been waiting on.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 09:26 AM (r1h5M)

81 As opposed to not being... eh... one of those.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 02, 2010 09:27 AM (r1h5M)

82 3 I thought that the one thing you never did was play poker with a guy named after a city.

It depends.

Posted by: Kalamazoo Brian at July 02, 2010 09:27 AM (aR3X4)

83 No one ever seems intimidate by me at the poker table.

Posted by: Salt Lake City Tim at July 02, 2010 09:28 AM (aR3X4)

84 I just "unexpectedly" looked at porn again today.

Posted by: gator at July 02, 2010 09:28 AM (aOKEC)

85 Salt Lake City Tim at July 02, 2010 01:28 PM (aR3X4)

Nor I.


Posted by: Cleveland "The Steamer" Jerry at July 02, 2010 09:29 AM (IhQuA)

86 Speaking of Lindsey Graham, why doesn't he just join the dem party already.

What an a-hole.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 02, 2010 09:29 AM (OMRnD)

87 guy they wouldn't take him.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 02, 2010 09:30 AM (ucxC/)

88 Everyone keeps calling down my bluffs.

Posted by: Martha's Vineyard Jeff at July 02, 2010 09:31 AM (aR3X4)

89 I rule at the poker table.

Posted by: Malibu Barbie at July 02, 2010 09:31 AM (OMRnD)

90 I don't get why everyone snickers when I introduce myself.

Posted by: Napa Valley Harold at July 02, 2010 09:33 AM (aR3X4)

91 Am I doing it wrong?

Posted by: Epcott Center Bobby at July 02, 2010 09:34 AM (aR3X4)

92

"Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama's choosing. This was not something that the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in," he said.

 

I haven't read a statement of such premedicated stupidity from a conservative in a looong time.

Posted by: Speller at July 02, 2010 09:36 AM (o0R2E)

93 I raise.

Posted by: Bangor Johnson at July 02, 2010 09:36 AM (aOKEC)

94 You'se guys think you've got it rough.

Posted by: Creme Brulee Johnny at July 02, 2010 09:37 AM (aR3X4)

95 Michael Steele thinks he is disliked by the base because he is <insert constantly changing PC term for people of a certain race here>.

No, we dislike him because he is so inept his actions seem those of a saboteur.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 02, 2010 09:37 AM (ZESU0)

96 Go all in on me. Please go all in!

Posted by: Eddie "Fab Shoes" Newsome at July 02, 2010 09:39 AM (aR3X4)

97 What about playing poker with people who are named after other geographical features?

Posted by: "Lake Titicaca" Truman North at July 02, 2010 09:39 AM (e8YaH)

98 Hell, I don't know. I couldn't think of anything good.

Posted by: Chris "The Espresso Maker" Denning at July 02, 2010 09:41 AM (aR3X4)

99

Or missing body parts

Ay-oh! Oh-ay!

Posted by: Truman "Dogs" North at July 02, 2010 09:42 AM (e8YaH)

100 As a reminder, some of us started beating this drum when he tried to throw Rush under the bus after "I hope he fails."

Posted by: The guy who says "I hate to say I told you so, but ..." at July 02, 2010 09:43 AM (5Rurq)

101 I supported Steele but he's continually makes these huge mistakes. He's got to go. 

Posted by: CapnAngus at July 02, 2010 09:44 AM (Yg1jz)

102
I have a royal flush every morning.

Posted by: Barackus Obamacus at July 02, 2010 09:45 AM (Oxen1)

103 Sometimes Steele says the right thing in such the wrong way that you can't understand what he's trying to say.

Posted by: mrkwong at July 02, 2010 09:48 AM (G8Eo0)

104 I support both wars but we should have never gone to Afghanistan, thus never entering Iraq. Unfortunately the nation has been feminized and homosexualized to a large extent leaving us unwilling to do what needed to be done. 

We should have nuked Afghanistan while osama, zawahiri and the taliban were all assembled there. Once they were reduced to shadows on the ground Hussein [the other Hussein] would have opened himself and his nation to a full colonoscopy from US weapon inspectors. Needless to say we would not have had to sacrifice thousands of soldiers. Because we were unwilling to make the unpopular but victory ensuring decision we're now stuck in a protracted war. Hopefully we learn from this lesson; if we're hit again vaporize the perpetrators.

To compound the problem a recent article [NYSlimes of all places I believe] revealed that $3 Billion in cash annually is being taken out of Afghanistan. What's happening is the war lords are stealing the money and taking it out of the country. We are being fleeced; that money could be used for Americans in need.

Posted by: Bullets&Beer at July 02, 2010 09:48 AM (BedzM)

105

5Rurq: Hey, you don't have to tell me so.

The GOP had all it needed in March 2009. That's when Steele nodded when he got told that the Tea Party gatherings "literally looked like Nazi Germany".

Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 09:51 AM (9Sbz+)

106 Steele's remarks = Jackassery!

Posted by: Rob at July 02, 2010 09:52 AM (GvYeG)

107

My mistake... it wasn't the Tea Party he dissed. It was the GOP Convention. The man doesn't care that his own party gets "literally" likened to the NSDAP.

I'd just as soon be compared with Henry VIII Tudor, myself - so, off with his head! (Metaphorically, of course.)

Posted by: Zimriel at July 02, 2010 09:54 AM (9Sbz+)

108 Pulling troops out of Afghanistan now, ending the flow of billions of taxpayer dollars into war lords coffers and nuking Afghanistan as a warning to other terrorist nations as a limit to our patience would be a better solution than what we have now.

Posted by: Bullets&Beer at July 02, 2010 09:54 AM (BedzM)

109 "Michael Steele is a Democrat plant." -- Alvin Greene

Posted by: Wannabe Crazed Sex Poodle at July 02, 2010 09:54 AM (Ulu3i)

110 I hate to say it, but I would vote for Obama over Steele.

Obama is a corrupt moron, but at the very least, there is some effort to win a very tough war.

Steele is a corrupt moron with no redeeming features.

I do not understand why would even want to be chair of the RNC.  I think he is simply passive aggressively damaging the party because he knows we have a huge problem with his greedy and lazy work.  Perhaps he wants the GOP to reject him so loudly that he can become one of those 'media conservatives.'

Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 02, 2010 09:57 AM (dUOK+)

111 Michael Steele has all the instincts of a liberal democrat. John McCain and his daughter are cut from the same cloth. There are too many in the GOP who are much the same.

Expecting anything but confused babbling, or flat out agreement with the left is too much for this group of people. They do not think like conservatives and do not understand conservatism.

Posted by: Sharrukin at July 02, 2010 09:58 AM (eYgrz)

112

Well I'm going to do the unpopular thing and offer a small defense of Steele's comments.

First, Steele pointed out the old saying about a *LAND* war in Afghanistan. We weren't in a land war before Obama. A fighting a land war doesn't mean,  just having troops on the ground. It means fighting to gain and retain land through the use of all the resources needed to secure and dominate the territory you've gained.

It is wise to look at the historical record on this and see that it has never worked, has, or nearly has, collapsed every military that has tried. The latest was the USSR who had the far better circumstance than the US of being able to drive their tanks from Mother Russia right to Afghanistan. They could send troops by rail and truck, all without ever crossing a unfriendly boarder until the arrived at the front. We in the US, must send everything by air for some portion of it's trip and we must beg access from a unstable government who can barely insure safe passage.

The original fight, using light, mobile, special forces and local partnerships is a far superior tactic in my opinion. A *LAND* war is not winnable for any price in blood or treasure that the US will pay, willingly or not.

But that is just one old Sargent's view.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at July 02, 2010 10:40 AM (ymwj3)

113 Got polled several weeks back by the RNC.  Told the guy no money for you until Steele is gone as chair.  By his reaction, this was not an unfamiliar response.

Posted by: Count de Monet at July 02, 2010 11:32 AM (2g2ex)

114 White people.  ::shakes head:::

Plenty of smart black dudes out there (LTC Allen West presents an example of where to find a goodly portion of them).  But what do you do? You vote in the two biggest tards we have who can walk and chew gum at the same time to lead your two political parties.  And RNC voters, you should really smack yourselves.  You claim to believe in individuality and color-blindness, but when the Donks picked their tard, you panicked.  Instead of picking the best man for the job, you went with race.

And, and, and--you didn't even pick the most competent black dude available. (That was Ken Blackwell.)  You went for the doofus.

So now we're spreading the stupidity around, along with the wealth.  Thanks a flockin lot, my white brethren.

/just funning on the white people angle but you see my point.


Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2010 11:50 AM (pWXnd)

115 it is pretty damn annoying, baldilocks.

I could pick a better black dude to run our party by walking down the street and just randoming grabbing some dude.

But the real problem is that the RNC was picking Steele *because* he was black.  When you do that, you are ignoring what really matters.

In my experience, the people harmed most by affirmative action are the really brilliant black people who are constantly getting beaten by the game playing losers who happen to share their skin color.  And worse, the brilliant ones who make it are often doubted.  In school, they are disadvantaged because they may wind up competing with people they shouldn't be, too.  A black law student who would easily bust the curve at Georgetown will actually wind up at Columbia where he has a much harder time.

Affirmative action isn't helping blacks in general.

Steele is a great example.  We could have found a black man, if we wanted to be racist, who was competent, but that's besides the point that it shouldn't matter.  We wound up being labeled as racists anyway by the KKK party.  That's just inevitable.  Why legitimize that crap by freaking and picking Steele?

Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 02, 2010 12:07 PM (dUOK+)

116 ::: Gets paper bag, cuts out eyeholes, slides over head :::

Michael who?

I'm sorry but Steele was a mistake from day one. Apparently, his job is not very important in the GOP ... why? Because Steele has been making these stupid gaffes FOREVER. Maybe the reason so many in the GOP don't slit their wrists is we've had so many years to develop political calluses for the likes of ... Lyndsey Graham who is the poster boy for every RINO that ever existed.

The Democrats love fools ...  Al Sharpton, Al Gore, ... the list is endless. That's one reason Americans who don't have a clue about the issues will vote for a Democrat -- at least they get entertainment on the way to the "showers".  But, fairly or unfairly, most Americans expect the GOP to be less comical.  Michael Steele is confusing them ... but only until they figure out he wasn't trying to be funny.

How in hell  did Steele get this job to begin with?  I did not think a negative IQ was possible but I'm not so sure anymore.


Posted by: Full Moon at July 02, 2010 12:11 PM (6UfSo)

117 ::: Gets paper bag, cuts out eyeholes, slides over head :::




Allahpundit?

Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2010 12:30 PM (pWXnd)

118 Posted by: baldilocks at July 02, 2010 03:50 PM

Who did you want for RNC chairperson?  My recollection was (from watching the process on CSPAN or wherever it was) that there were not very strong candidates.  Wasn't one of the ones who was being touted one of the jerks from South Carolina (Dawson)?   

At the time, I thought Steele was fine.  I don't think he was picked because he was black.  I really think it was that he was thought of as someone who would be a good spokesperson.  He was more visible in the Beltway and with media folks than a lot of the party hack types because of his Lt. Gov.'ship in Maryland.  I think his race was a factor, but not the major factor. 

Posted by: Y-not at July 02, 2010 01:25 PM (Kn9r7)

119 "How in hell  did Steele get this job to begin with?"

Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Reaper at July 02, 2010 01:43 PM (ioDSu)

120

I support both wars but we should have never gone to Afghanistan, thus never entering Iraq. Unfortunately the nation has been feminized and homosexualized to a large extent leaving us unwilling to do what needed to be done. 

We should have nuked Afghanistan while osama, zawahiri and the taliban were all assembled there. Once they were reduced to shadows on the ground Hussein [the other Hussein] would have opened himself and his nation to a full colonoscopy from US weapon inspectors. Needless to say we would not have had to sacrifice thousands of soldiers. Because we were unwilling to make the unpopular but victory ensuring decision we're now stuck in a protracted war. Hopefully we learn from this lesson; if we're hit again vaporize the perpetrators.

I see...when terrorists strike us, instead of attempting to, I don't know, apprehend them by going where they are, we should just do a random nuclear strike on some goatherds who may or may not be in the same area as the terrorists.  And if I disagree I'm obviously a feminine faggot.  Gotcha.

Seriously, there was a school of military thought before WWII that said we'd never need to fight a land war again, because we now had all those bombers.  Germany attempted to defeat Britain in the Battle thereof, and guess what?  It didn't put Britain out of the war.  Britain tried the same thing with Germany later on, and that didn't work either, which is why we needed that whole inconvenient D-Day thing.

Yeah, I realize we have nukes now, but I'm still pretty skeptical that we could defeat Afghanistan from the air alone, especially since the enemy forces are spread out and, in many cases, hidden.

Keep in mind, the USSR, not known for being feminized or homosexualized, never once tried to use nukes there.

Also, keep in mind that Michael Wiener aka Savage, the guy from whom your brilliant idea originated, eventually got caught donating money to Jerry Brown, almost certainly because he was a leftist trying to make conservatives look bad.

Posted by: Ken at July 02, 2010 01:45 PM (EawMs)

121 "Who did you want for RNC chairperson?"

Someone with a vision that would take the party to more competitive status.  Steele simply fired all the smart RNC guys and filled their slots with his cronies.  He has no plan resembling the bold Dean plan.  He has done very little to boost his party on the internet beyond spamming bloggers.

Steele is not a normal chairperson.  We've never really had one who acted like he does with finances (it's his fault), or selling his books and speeches.  He's very unusual, and I admit, I didn't see it coming either, and we all hate him only in hindsight, but it's time to replace him.

Sure, we had little way of knowing it was going to be such a mistake.  However, Steele's fake jive talk and much of the noise around him when picked seemed to be how he would be a great counter to Obama because he's black.

I think it was this 'he's great no matter his skin, but he's also black which really helps'. 

Whether that's fair or not, and whether we should have known or not, we can fix the problem today.  We should simply pick a new chairperson.  I don't care about procedure or if Steele is Ok with it.  He should show up to work Money and find the contents of his desk in a box on the ground and completely ignored from this point forward.

Politics stops at the water's edge and his job is to focus on elections.  There's a lot of nitty gritty work to be done there that doesn't get someone on TV and famous.  He won't do his damn job.

I wish either Romney or Palin would take the job because both of them have done a lot of nitty gritty dealing with candidates and endorsements and raising cash.  I realize it would mean they can't be president in 2013, but I don't get to be president either.  I think either of them have  a lot of clout and could be powerful in shaping a new message.

Romney, in particular, is great at raising money and he could probably straighten out the party.  Palin, however, carries an inspiring 'this is not the old party of hack flip floppy RINOs'. 

I don't mind if someone else steps up.  Probably several better options, but we need to knock this Steele guy out of the party because he is costing us needed votes.

Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 02, 2010 02:18 PM (dUOK+)

122 Posted by: Ken at July 02, 2010 05:45 PM (EawMs)

You do sound like a feminized homosexual but that's neither here nor there.

"I see...when terrorists strike us, instead of attempting to, I don't know, apprehend them"


You sound like John Kerry. 9/11 did not warrant a criminal investigation you bedwetting queer, it warranted war, and since we knew where the perpetrators were assembled considering they took responsibility, the prudent thing to do would have been to vaporize them while they were all assembled in one location. You had al qaeda, the taliban, osama and zawahiri in one location. With one [ maybe a few] swift nuclear strikes we could have delivered a massive blow to the islamists without expending so much blood and treasure. Now go play with your pussy, homo.

Posted by: Bullets&Beer at July 02, 2010 02:27 PM (BedzM)

123 ", the prudent thing to do would have been to vaporize them while they were all assembled in one location. You had al qaeda, the taliban, osama and zawahiri in one location. With one [ maybe a few] swift nuclear strikes we could have delivered a massive blow to the islamists without expending so much blood and treasure. Now go play with your pussy, homo."

As completely out of step with current politics this may sound,

you have to admit, it would have worked.  And we would have won the war on terror.  Simply nuking those affiliated with al qaida, in one strike, would have ended any discussion about whether it's a good idea to murder thousands of our civilians.

It would have been far more palatable close to 9/11.

saying we will do everything we can to strike back at this kind of attack, with absolutely no hesitation beyond identifying our enemy, would have stopped this problem dead cold.  We wouldn't be hearing Iran or North Korea's bullshit.  Russia wouldn't be nearly so bold as to help our enemies.

There is a time when that most extreme measure is useful.

Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 02, 2010 02:58 PM (dUOK+)

124

If you listen to it all, it comes off awkwardly, but what he appears to be driving at is the method of prosecuting the war.  The Special forces-centered approach of the Bush admin, where US forces are largely not regular infantry, but support, intelligence, special ops, air-strike callers, etc and the Afghans do most of the actual fighting vs the Obama approach of injecting larger amounts of regular infantry to fight the Taliban directly.  Much truth in that, he just didn't get it out right.  As is often the case with him.

Nobody cares what he says, he's a side show.  If the Obamunists think people will vote for them because of what Steele says, let them engage in their usual clutching and grabbing at phrases and words and act out their Goebbelsian fantasies of being the master propagandists they think they are.  Nobody will remember what Steele said about anything in a week.

Posted by: Landru at July 02, 2010 03:33 PM (GHpB7)

125 Landru, it takes work to plan out a national campaign.  Steele isn't doing his job.  The democrats got where they are as the result of a sophisticated and impressive strategy that took quite a bit of thought and time.

Steele isn't going to be the reason voters say they voted one way or the other, I agree, but getting a message to candidates, planning our strategies for which races are important (such as Dean's Secretaries of State program which is constantly used to beat us over the head, such as just today in Byrd's old seat), dealing with finances, and just a slew of nitty gritty details... that shit makes a huge difference on election day.

Turnout can be severely affected.  limited resources can be steered with wisdom.

Just Steele... he doesn't give a shit.  We're not ready to take over, in his book.  He wants minority status as a party.

Posted by: Chili Corn Chips at July 02, 2010 04:03 PM (dUOK+)

126 We should have gone into Afghanistan after 9/11, bombed the shit out of anything Taliban-like we could find, done a minimal amount of boots on the ground stuff...and then left and never come back.
The place is unfixable.

Posted by: Nemo from Erewhon at July 02, 2010 04:12 PM (LLWUf)

127 There's simply no way to look at what Obama, McChrystal (now Petraues) are doing in Afghanistan and conclude that they have a functioning brain cell among them.

Posted by: FeralCat at July 02, 2010 04:39 PM (n2Dbe)

128

It amazing how often he manages to shoot himself in the foot considering he's usually chewing on it.

To call him a buffoon is an insult to buffoons.

Posted by: Hard Right at July 02, 2010 05:01 PM (o6jKs)

129 If you stop and think for a moment for the past year Palin has been a virtual "Shadow RNC head," doing with what resources she had all the things that Steele _should_ have been doing, but hasn't.

With this latest bit I am beginning to wonder if he's a plant from the other side.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at July 02, 2010 06:08 PM (ATHlB)

130 "My recollection was (from watching the process on CSPAN or wherever it was) that there were not very strong candidates."

Wrong.  Blackwell is the guy whose plan the tea-party-type conservatives are using to take over the party.

As Baldilocks said, they picked the wrong black guy.

Posted by: someone at July 02, 2010 06:33 PM (DfAwB)

131 In after the spam.

This is a quantum leap of stupidity beyond his previous efforts.  He sounds more like Bob Barr than the RNC Chairperson.   The DNC couldn't hope for better fodder if he was on their payroll (which BTW might be worth investigating).

To hell with him resigning - he should be openly and publicly fired - throw him a bone about his loyal service then unshamedly toss him under the nearest bus. 

He's a Republican Jayson Blair. 

No more affirmative action hires for the RNC Chair.  Put Palin in his chair and to hell with anyone who cries "racism."  This man's idiocy transcends the bounds of racial politics. 

Posted by: societyis2blame at July 02, 2010 06:34 PM (7ZyYf)

132 What the fuck do you mean with that Sicilian remark? Asshole. You're a retard, please refrain from posting. Where is Ace, we need some sanity.

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