1

Is this stuff available in a topical lotion?

Just askin.

2 There is little risk of the GM salmon escaping to the wild, because they are designed to be grown in fish-farm tanks on land rather than in pens out at sea. Even if they do escape, the fish will not interbreed with wild salmon because the GM eggs have been designed to develop into sterile females, You Fool! Don't you understand? Life Finds a Way! It's friggin' Chaos Theory!!

3 Giant chinchillas? Not that I really believe environmentalists care so much about human famine. Precisely. They see the prospect of mass human starvation as a feature rather than a bug.

4 Fish growing pains = salmon fisherman's pocket pains

5 I knew somebody was going to mention Jurassic Park.

6 The difference is that genetic modified stuff is done by "evil corporations" while starvation is mother nature.

7 I await the lab-grown fish meat, so we don't even have to worry about fish growing pains.

(Apparently, they've already done it in the lab. The hoops to make it work commercially have not been jumped through yet.)

8 Big salmon?  Pffft.

9 Jeez, I'm gonna need a bigger boat.  And what size hook do I use when I have to use a bear as bait?  And do I need live bait?  That could be uncomfortable.

10 One always wonders why the eco-tards always insist such pain is required, while moving heaven and earth to make sure they aren't the ones subject to it...

Scratch that, no wondering.  Stupid punks.

11

"Environmentalists can't have it all ways. We can't stop catching so much wild fish AND stop food innovation AND still produce enough high quality protein to serve everyone. Not that I really believe environmentalists care so much about human famine."

Environmentalists only want it ONE way: the way that leads to human extinction (or at least the extinction of all the "bad" humans who crowd into state and national parks and make it tough for the environmentalists to find parking places on weekends).

Thus environmentalists will continually change the rules of the game to ensure that somehow, mere human existence gets defined as world-shattering pollution.

12 Tonight on SyFy:

Salmon-topus vs Mega-shad

13 Looks like the libtards are going to need a bigger Darwin fish on their clown cars.

14 grendel!

15 Need to know more.  How does it taste? What was the modification exactly?  Is it just higher hormone levels?  Will it make my moobs bigger? 

16 Are these available as boxed greeting cards & envelopes?  Are there any other type/color of bear available as the intended target of the ginormous salmon?  If you could manage to get some photos of the killer salmon going after the bear with some snow in the background, I would also be interested in these as festive Christmas cards.  What are the gift shop hours?

17 Name one technological breakthrough that environmental groups are actually happy with...that hasn't ended up doing worse damage...what was that gasoline additive in CA???  MTBE??

18 Fish growing pains? Since when did fish get shins?

19 Does this fish make my ass look fat?

20 Penn & Teller's Bullshit did a decent episode on "Franken-Food"  The best point the people on it made was that if you don't trust the FDA when they say that it is safe to eat why in the hell do you trust them that the normal food you eat is safe to eat?

21 messing with this stuff is NUTS! there will be no way to get the genie back in the bottle.

22 Environmentalists can't have it all ways. We can't stop catching so much wild fish AND stop food innovation AND still produce enough high quality protein to serve everyone.

We could if you would just drive a damn Prius and give 3/4 of your money to the government. Racist.

23 Why stop with fish?  What about gi-normous chickens?

24 Why stop with fish?  What about gi-normous chickens?

Because 'Chocobo-Fil-A' just won't go over as well.

25 Just don't let these hippies know that their "Lemon Diesel Skunk #3" is 'genetically modified'

26 I think Nancy Pelosis's face has already been genitally engineered...

27 No doubt about it, I'm gonna need a bigger creel.

28 GM Salmon scary?  No.

GM Dolf Lundgren?  Apocalypse.

29 I just want an army of Millas.  Is that too much to ask?

30 messing with this stuff is NUTS! there will be no way to get the genie back in the bottle. Posted by: Vergeltung

So gen-mod food is like an imaginary creature with magical powers?

31 Every crop and food animal has been 'genetically modified' heavily, usually thousands of years ago. They just did it the old fashioned way.

32 "A woman from Montana has fought off a 200-pound, trespassing black bear with a zucchini from her garden."

Probably a genetically modified zucchini.

33 Who would win in a fight: grey goo or the blob?

34 Could this be adapted for use on hobos?

35

Every crop and food animal has been 'genetically modified' heavily, usually thousands of years ago. They just did it the old fashioned way.

Word.

36

 I just want an army of Millas.  Is that too much to ask?

 

A Milla man march?

37 "Probably a genetically modified zucchini." More like good aim. boink!

38 By the way, I'm not against the GM Salmon, but I probably would not buy it... I do not like the taste of Atlantic salmon in the least.  Guess I'm just spoiled here in Seattle, but it's disgusting... compared to the God kind.

39 Haven't they been saying that kids are 'maturing' at an earlier age because of the hormones they are putting in the animals now?  What is GE food going to do?

Not sure I'm a fan of that without a LOT more testing.

40 I see no problem.

41 They're going to need the GM salmon....to feed us in the camps.

42 messing with this stuff is NUTS! there will be no way to get the genie back in the bottle.

There's already a whole subculture of home brew biohacking.  I see no possible way that can go wrong. 

43 So gen-mod food is like an imaginary creature with magical powers?

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at September 27, 2010 01:57 PM (23kaI)

 

exactly!

44 Why stop with fish?  What about gi-normous chickens?

When do we start breeding Bandersnatchi?

45

But WAIT! We (we meaning little brown people in African villages) are supposed to be starving at this point!

Stop the sciencey stuff, it's making my books harder to sell.

46

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 27, 2010 02:00 PM (UOM4

You'll get salmon only on May Day.

47

Can you imagine how excited Richard Gere would be with gerbels the size of cattle?

 

48 Penn and Teller had an episode on the show Bullshit that talked about GM foods.  I am sure you could find it on YouTube.  The money phrase was a guy from India or wherever that was talking about opposition to "golden rice" which was fortified with vitamin A.  He stated that having this product or not means many kids will go blind in my country.

49 39 Haven't they been saying that kids are 'maturing' at an earlier age because of the hormones they are putting in the animals now?  What is GE food going to do?

Not sure I'm a fan of that without a LOT more testing.

Posted by: Sponge at September 27, 2010 01:59 PM (gbCam)

There was a link in the ONT a few weeks back about that.  Turns out that no, we have been maturing at a pretty stable rate for the past 40 years at least.  Its just more likely that due to society we are actually noticing the beginnings of puberty much sooner than in the past.

50 I am still waiting for the square tomatoes I was promised.

51 "Now: put 'Fish Growing Pains' on one side of the balance. And then 'Feeding All Of Humanity' on the other. If your mental scale looks like mine, 'Fish Growing Pains' has been launched into effin' orbit." Yes, but humans are evil damagers of the environment and should all do the earth a favor and die.

52 Is this stuff available in a topical lotion? Just askin. Posted by: Cicero at September 27, 2010 01:41 PM (QKKT0) Yeah it's been around for years. Your kidding right?

53 I, for one, welcome our new genetically-engineered freakishly-fast-growing new salmon overlords.  

54 Growing pains. So we'll give em some percoset before we kill em and eat em.

55 opposition to "golden rice"

Kurzweil talks about this in the Singluarity book. I've long believed that the solutions to things like malnourishment, disease, &c. are much more likely to be technological, than through social control. Indeed, social control is A) too attractive to the power hungry, and B ) more easily achieved by creating famine rather than ending it.

56

Stupid nontroversy.  Every dog in the world, even the little shit dogs that live in purses, are genetically-modified wolves.

Be more worried about antibiotics and hormonal injections.  Them's'll fuck you up good in the long run.

57 But Jonny Walker Blue is pure right?

58 There's something fishy about this story.

59 Genetically modifying fish is disgusting and against nature.
Fetal stem cell research will make people walk again, and that is good science.

60 Farm-raised fish, genetically altered or not, are disgusting.  They pack the 'pools' so thick that the fish are literally eating each other's shit.  And they feed them soy and corn pellets, not a natural fish diet.  I'll pass.

61 Deluxe Prints Available At AOSHQ Giftshop If We Had One
_______________

Get enough of them together and you could sell a calendar!

62

I knew somebody was going to mention Jurassic Park.

Please mix yourself a green drop drink, take a sip and get comfortable, and enjoy my Congo reference.

63

How the left responds:

The Bottom Line

In the final analysis, if the history of the Green Revolution has taught
us one thing, it is that increased food production can-and often does-go
hand in hand with greater hunger. If the very basis of staying
competitive in farming is buying expensive inputs, then wealthier farmers
will inexorably win out over the poor, who are unlikely to find adequate
employment to compensate for the loss of farming livelihoods. Hunger is
not caused by a shortage of food, and cannot be eliminated by producing
more.

This is why we must be skeptical when Monsanto, DuPont, Novartis, and
other chemical-cum-biotechnology companies tell us that genetic
engineering will boost crop yields and feed the hungry. The technologies
they push have dubious benefits and well-documented risks, and the second
Green Revolution they promise is no more likely to end hunger than the
first.

Far too many people do not have access to the food that is already
available because of deep and growing inequality. If agriculture can play
any role in alleviating hunger, it will only be to the extent that the
bias toward wealthier and larger farmers is reversed through pro-poor
alternatives like land reform and sustainable agriculture, which reduce
inequality and make small farmers the center of an economically vibrant
rural economy.

-----

What a bunch of 'tards.

64 Genetically modifying fish is disgusting and against nature.
Fetal stem cell research will make people walk again, and that is good science.

Posted by: MayBee at September 27, 2010 02:09 PM (Ve3ik)

And boob jobs are great!

65 Thank God.  Now I have something to do with that '73 school bus I turned into a smoker.

And my wife laughed at me!

66 Environmentalists only want it one way = 99% of humans dead. O/T: A bunch of FBI agents cheat on a test and no one posts the scene from Spies Like Us?

67 LMAO, Herr!

68

Does this fish make my ass look fat?

http://tinyurl.com/35y9km5

I'd have to say no.

69 through pro-poor alternatives like land reform and sustainable agriculture --- "pro-poor" as in keeping everyone poor?

70 One very simple question for the eviro-nuts:  How exactly do they claim to know that the high growth rate is "cruel and painful for the GM fish?"  Cr4p statements like that give them away every time.

71 The Watermelons hate GM because it sustains more of the vermin that infest Mother Gaia.

72 Hey, Slublog, when my daughter was in 2nd grade, she had to make a Hellbender replica out of clay, and that slimy thing above looks just like it except for those teeth.  They're slimy and also called "snot otters."  Just sayin.'

73

We love the modern environmental movement! 

74

someday clothe ourselves in durable fabrics derived from spider silk secreted by giant chinchillas the size of cattle

If we have chinchillas the size of cattle, why bother with the spider silk?  I'd go straight to chinchilla-fur clothing.

75 64 -- don't forget clitorectomies, need to be culturally sensitive too.

76

59 Genetically modifying fish is disgusting and against nature.
Fetal stem cell research will make people walk again, and that is good science.

Posted by: MayBee at September 27, 2010 02:09 PM (Ve3ik)

I've been pointing out that contradiction for years. You gotta be full of weapons grade cognitive dissonance to be a leftard.

77 How exactly do they claim to know that the high growth rate is "cruel and painful for the GM fish?"

The fish told them, through backward-masked messages on a "Songs of the Humpback Whale" CD.

78 56

Stupid nontroversy.  Every dog in the world, even the little shit dogs that live in purses, are genetically-modified wolves.

Technically not.  They are bred for certain traits but have only canine DNA.  GM stuff can have DNA from things added to the DNA of the original.

79 Every dog in the world, even the little shit dogs that live in purses, are genetically-modified wolves.

I watched a show on animal Planet that had an interesting theory.  Basically the domestication of wolves into dogs began when some wolves decided that the smarter move was to hang around human's camps and eat their garbage rather than to go hunting for themselves.  The humans didn't run them off because the wolves provided a certain amount of warning and protection.  So when my dog digs in the garbage he is merely advancing civilization.

80 So when my dog digs in the garbage he is merely advancing civilization.

I've been trying to explain this to my neighbors for years.

81 How exactly do they claim to know that the high growth rate is "cruel and painful for the GM fish?"

Partial birth abortion is a humane procedure.

82 So when my dog digs in the garbage he is merely advancing civilization.

It's true.  Our ancient ancestors didn't have shoes to throw at the dog, and "Get the fuck out of there you piece of shit!" came out "Grunt, Grunt, Click, Grunt".

Progress.

83 GM foods can be great ... I like this fish idea, though the point about these breeding with ocean fish might have some merit.  Just ask the fish czar about carp getting in Lake Michigan.

Or the kudzu czar, or the Australian rabbit czar ... or any number of species that have invaded a new land and made a real mess.

Supposedly these salmon would be 99% sterile, but if the genetics got introduced into the wild, it is hard to tell what the result might be.

Still, breeding better cattle or soybeans seems like a good idea.

84

Ed Anger @ #63 -- funniest three paragraphs I've read in a long time. Hunger isn't caused by a lack of food, it's caused by inequality.

(I'm still LOLing.)

85 82 So when my dog digs in the garbage he is merely advancing civilization.

It's true.  Our ancient ancestors didn't have shoes to throw at the dog, and "Get the fuck out of there you piece of shit!" came out "Grunt, Grunt, Click, Grunt".

Progress.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2010 02:19 PM (5aa4z)

 

Oh.... is that why we invented shoes??? 

But then, I guess the Dutch perfected em... those wooden shoes fly really well when thrown...

86 Even if they do escape, the fish will not interbreed with wild salmon because the GM eggs have been designed to develop into sterile females

That's pretty much word for word what they said in Jurassic Park, and that didn't work...

Also, is the fish in the PShop supposed to be invisible, or like a Predator, or...?

87 That's pretty much word for word what they said in Jurassic Park, and that didn't work...

Yup. Also, Jeff Goldblum is so s00per smart that he was able to write a virus for an Alien Operating system he knew nothing about, which crashed all the alien ships. I'd be so ignorant if it weren't for Hollywood.

88 Don't forget, growing corn to feed people.... bad.

Growing corn to create bio-fuel.... good

89

Hunger is not caused by a shortage of food, and cannot be eliminated by producing more.

That right there tells me everything I need to know. These are the people that claim to be more intelligent than everyone else. I guarantee you that 100% the poor rural third worlders that they claim to support would disagree with the above so-called logic. But it all makes sense when you consider that everything of the left is based on lies.

The reality is that they could not care less about helping people.

90 GM opponents want to take us back to the failed policies of the past. It's time for change!

91

Hunger is not caused by a shortage of food, and cannot be eliminated by producing more.

That right there tells me everything I need to know. These are the people that claim to be more intelligent than everyone else

------------------------------------------

Actually, that's kind of true. Most major famines don't happen because of lack of food. They happen because tyrants manipulate the food supply in order to manipulate the people.

92 Human populations have been able to protect themselves against famine for thousands of years. Leftists know for a fact that famine is all political these days, because that is how they have slain millions upon millions over the last century.

93 I will tell you what prevents famines: Capitalism.

94 When do we start breeding Bandersnatchi?

Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 27, 2010 02:00 PM (z4es9)

Any kind of snatch you want to breed is fine with me. The more, the merrier!

95 So when my dog digs in the garbage he is merely advancing civilization.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 27, 2010 02:16 PM (xxgag)

That explains why one of our dogs is constantly in the trash can, she wants to advance civilization.  And to think her previous owner tossed her into the pound and never thought to capatilize on her obvious social skills.

96 I will tell you what prevents famines: Capitalism.

Exactly.

97 When someone tells me they're worried about what *eating* gm food will do to their genes, I am reminded of a quote from an inventor named Charles Babbage:

"On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."

Do people thing genes are contagious? What? MAGNETS! HOW DO THEY WORK?!

If you want to make a hippie's head explode, just tell them GM foods are safe, but only if they're properly irradiated before you eat them.

98 Any kind of snatch you want to breed is fine with me. The more, the merrier!

HEY-OOOOOOOO!

(Moron nation never lets me down.)

99 do these fish cause 12 yr old girls to have huge racks?  If so, it could cause starvation in our neck of the woods.

100 Liberals/Environmentalists don't give a shit about feeding the hungry or the poor.  In fact, most of them come from the "population bomb" school of thought and think there are too many people anyway.  Don't let them fool you.

101

Most major famines don't happen because of lack of food. They happen because tyrants manipulate the food supply in order to manipulate the people.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 27, 2010 02:33 PM (z4es9)

I know that and you know that, but these idiots claim that people are going hungry because evil corporations are buying up all of the land and charging for their products. Their solution is not only to give poor people more land but to eliminate all genetically modified crops, pesticides, herbicides, and force people to work harder to produce less food. So in the end, there will still be hunger and famine because this type of farming cannot support the current population in the third world, which is exactly what they want anyway.

102 Those "super smart" libtards think malaria is good for population control.  They care so much about humanity that they want to let millions die of diease or starvation ... for the betterment of mankind.

103 Do people thing genes are contagious? What? MAGNETS! HOW DO THEY WORK?!

If you want to make a hippie's head explode, just tell them GM foods are safe, but only if they're properly irradiated before you eat them.

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at September 27, 2010 02:43 PM (bxiXv)

You're right as rain, M.

EVERYONE (to borrow Obama's primary logical fallacy) knows it's cloned animals that are gonna twist yer guts into pretzels and make your kids grow warty excrescences on their vestigial pedipalps.

104 98 I will tell you what prevents famines: Capitalism.

Exactly.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at September 27, 2010 02:42 PM (z4es9)

Hmmm... has there ever been  real famine, in a Western type Capitalistic country?

Communist/Socialist countries?  hell yeah... but I can't think of any famines in the West in the last 100 or so years...

105

Every crop and food animal has been 'genetically modified' heavily, usually thousands of years ago. They just did it the old fashioned way.

Woof woof! Meow Meow! Neigh Neigh!

106 So was that movie "Octoshark" a documentary?

Besides Pelosi was one of the early experiments. Dummy thought it was Botox.

107 Hmmm... has there ever been  real famine, in a Western type Capitalistic country?

I go to bed hungry every night.

108 Well, as near as I can tell, the Left in general and envirotards specifically insist that The Precautionary Principle ["Don't ever do anything the first time. {Unless you can prove to the Left and envirotards that there is never, ever any bad consequences at all, and they will decide if there are any such based on their ideological stances.}] in all cases except where they want to do something. 

Then it's "Katy bar the door" as they go balls-out to change things without any thought whatsoever for the consequences.

P.S. Genetic modification doesn't have to involve the introduction of new DNA to an organism [although apparently happens a lot in nature, see "Jumping genes"].  Just sayin'.

109 Clearly we need more Lysenko-ism here.

110 Even if they do escape, the fish will not interbreed with wild salmon because the GM eggs have been designed to develop into sterile females

This can only end well. Because design never goes wrong.

111 PS the "evil corporate farms."

To the extent that big companies have, in fact, formed political alliances with governments to game regulatory systems against competitors, apply government force to take over smaller competitors, gain subsidies, etc... yes, these are bad things because the government is using its power to coerce some for the benefit of others.

Oddly, most people's "solution" to this problem is to give the government more power, which it uses to game regulatory systems, help some companies compete against others, grant subsidies, etc.

It's like the circle of life, except it instead of going around and around, it just sits there and gets bigger.

112 damn, im in a hurry but want to make a comment here. This is same situation for modern pig farming. last year the european press (bbc,...) was raising a stink that the swine flue was caused by modern ("industrial", "intensive" ..) pig farming in south carolina. They are raising public health concerns against one of the safest food production techniques around. Would they prefer small farms with lots of ducks and humans for virus cross contamination? or would they prefer mass starvation? there is a bbc documentary on the subject that is worth puking over. oh, one more point. thier main complaint is that there are up to 5k pigs in one room causing mucho virus transfer. have they ever been on a subway or plane? bye-ee

113 Well, as near as I can tell, the Left in general and envirotards specifically insist that The Precautionary Principle ["Don't ever do anything the first time. {Unless you can prove to the Left and envirotards that there is never, ever any bad consequences at all, and they will decide if there are any such based on their ideological stances.}] in all cases except where they want to do something.

And it pretty much breaks down to: New solution that is technological in nature, and would help people live more prosperous lives while at the same time providing an opportunity for someone to make some money: BAD; New/old solution that involves confiscating someone's wealth and/or property to increase the power of government: GOOD.

114 Please stop stealing our scripts and using them for mindless jokes. We do real work over here. Mega-Shark vs. Mega-Octopus went through numerous rewrites. It started out as a horror story between a goldfish and a mop told through the goldfish's perspective and evolved into the blockblusher that appears regularly on SciFy. You think this is easy? You try and create a script of big creatures going people and/or other big creatures with impressively low budget effects.

115 This is a loser just because of what it is.  A fish farmer gets one batch of fast growing fish then nothing.  With the old fish there are offspring to continue farming with. Having to buy fish eggs for each batch of fish is not a good business plan...

116 Thanks to this thread, I have fantasies about riding through the '12 Dem Convention atop my genemod war chincilla (the size of a Hummer) with twin gatlings strapped on by chinchillasilk harnesses.

If only I had the talent to create a visual representation...

117 This is a loser just because of what it is.  A fish farmer gets one batch of fast growing fish then nothing.  With the old fish there are offspring to continue farming with. Having to buy fish eggs for each batch of fish is not a good business plan...

Says who? If you can grow the fish twice as fast, you can sell twice as much. As long as you're not spending half your gross on eggs, you come out ahead.

118

#116, oh, fuck you people. It's because of you that most of the 3rd and 4th seasons of Battlestar Galactica sucked.

#87, there was a deleted scene where he was fucking around with the original numbers broadcast he'd intercepted early and the captured Roswell crash ship, and that gave him something to rebroadcast into their system. Unfortunately that scene that made the ending make sense was one of the ones cut.  

119 EEEEEEEE UUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOEE EEEEE EEEEE UUUUHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNN OOOOOO EEEEE OOOO EEE UUUUUUUUUUshhh Translation: You can do anything that you want, human But would you create A Blue Suede Salmon?

120 Posted by: Sci-Fy Channel Writers Guild at September 27, 2010 03:06 PM

LOL.

I was going to post that this indeed has the making of a SCI FI channel movie.

I can see it now... "A group of college students to white water rafting in Alaska, only to find themselves stalked by... MUTANT KILLER SALMON."

121 The eco-nazis do seem to mainly wish white, western people would die though. They at least aren't willing to publicly fantasize about mass starvation of Africans or other noble, oppressed melanin-rich peoples of the world. But pale suburban whitey starving to death? Gives them a chubby.

Environmentalism is mainly some twisted religion for self-loathing white people. Although it seems some humanity-hating asians are joining the ranks of the self-loathing. A true rainbow coalition of evil.

122 Farmer Joe ... but you have twice the inputs and transport costs as well.  Still, it is feasible to come out ahead.

Of course paying $250 for a bag of GM seed corn also seems high, but it does yield better, so pays for itself. 

123 #120 I agree that those seasons sucked, my scripts for having the cylons and humans bonding together against a giant space goat were tossed.

124 #122 That is an awesome script idea. Can I throw in some tiny grizzlies that looks really cute but have been genetically modified to spit fire?

125 114 damn, im in a hurry but want to make a comment here. This is same situation for modern pig farming. last year the european press (bbc,...) was raising a stink that the swine flue was caused by modern ("industrial", "intensive" ..) pig farming in south carolina. They are raising public health concerns against one of the safest food production techniques around. Would they prefer small farms with lots of ducks and humans for virus cross contamination? or would they prefer mass starvation? I did research in Guangzhou, China (back when it was the special economic zone, and prior to China's take back of Hong Kong) and the majority of the people there lived in two story huts containing their families, their ducks and their pigs. The three vectors for flu virus are....humans, ducks and pigs. Most flues develop in China, because the virus percolates and mutates amongst it's common vectors, then jumps across the Pacific with a variety of transporters-cargo ships, air travel, cruises, etc. The flu has it's own genetic engineering department, right on the banks of ponds where the Chinese both grow oysters, and create their outhouses (Don't EVER eat oysters in China. Just sayin) . So GM salmon don't really scare me so much. Blaming swine flu on pig farms in South Carolina? I call pigshit.

126 Genetically modified waffle?  I'm gonna need more syrup!

127 #123: Oh no, those types of "environmentalists" are just as happy to see brown and yellow people die. Possibly even more so. Exhibit A: their faux concern over "overpopulation". Where are the majority of the population booms? As P.J. O'Rourke noted, the hand-wringing over "overpopulation" is simply a way for wealthy (and largely white) progressives to be racist and politically-correct at the same time.

128 Environmentalists DO care about human famine.  They're all in favor of it.  They want to speed it up. That's why they oppose innovations such as this. And it's why B.O. appointed eugenicist and would-be human sterilizer John Holdren as the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy.  Holdren, along with Mr. and Mrs. Paul Ehrlich co-authored Ecoscience in which they mused about such topics as how to discretely put sterilants into public drinking water supplies.  It's also why DDT was banned, in order for the racists in the environmental movement to make sure a couple of generations of "undesireables" (read blacks) were wiped out by malaria.

129 Most food consumed by humans in First World countries is "genetically modified"; it was just done the old fashioned way with breeding programs. Tomatoes in the wild (if there are any left) do not get nearly as large as the ones you find in a grocery store (thanks to people like Luther Burbank). If you've ever been into a modern corn field out in Corn Belt Country, those ears are far, far bigger than the natural variety.  Those are called "hybrids" rather than "genetically modified" but the same principle is at work.  GM simply does things faster and more economically.

While I don't advocate throwing all caution to the wind, GM foods should be as safe as any growing in the wild.

130 Also... #91: Didn't Kim du Toit say something to that effect in his "Let Africa Sink" essay? All of the famines occurring on the African continent appear to be entirely man-made.

131

Ah, sweet Laura,

The problem isn't "frankenfish" - that side of the argument is silly and just plain wrong.  Half of these idiots who are complaining about it don't understand that they are eating genetically modified foods in their diet everyday without fail - it's how you get things like rot resistant tomatos, potatoes, corn - you name it. If you drink milk, probably there too.

The problem is the effluent from the factory ponds.  These fish will require lots of fresh water all day every day ( a bit of a problem in and of itself) and something has to be done with the waste water which will be filled with all kinds of interesting heavy metals and biologics used to keep the fish healthy. Waste water treatment only goes so far.

Farm raised salmon are also notoriously prone to disease.  All of these factors, assuming that no corners are cut (as we saw in the Great Egg Diaster of 2010), will mean that the price of farm raised salmon will be very high - kind of negating the whole idea in the first place.

132 Practically no fruits and vegetables would be palatable in their "natural" forms. For thousands of years, people have been cross-breeding and otherwise trying to improve barely edible crap, and we've ended up with some pretty good crap.

Of course, there is a difference between that and actual direct genetic modification. The latter can be accomplished in a reasonable time, and we actually have some direct control over the process.

Nature comes up with lethal crap all the time, I totally don't get why people go out of their heads paranoid over the hypothetical fear of a lab accident involving high-yield corn while they're wearing a face mask to avoid H1N1.

Influenza, parasites, malaria, violin spiders, ebola, poison snakes, inherited disorders, sharks....  I don't revere Nature, the bitch keeps trying to kill me!

133 Cornish Cross chickens.

Yeah, that's what you eat when you're eating a chicken. And they grow freaky fast, way faster than other chickens, so fast in fact that some will have distorted feet and legs that they can't even walk on because their upper body has grown so fast their legs can't grow and harden quick enough so they get bent all sorts of ways.

Almost all white meat too because they grow so fast.

It's like 3 or 4 months from cute little chick to tasty, fatty 3-5 pound fryer. That fast.

But let's not talk about reality, let's make up shit 'cause it's the "reality-based community."

134 117 This is a loser just because of what it is.  A fish farmer gets one batch of fast growing fish then nothing.  With the old fish there are offspring to continue farming with. Having to buy fish eggs for each batch of fish is not a good business plan...

Haven't been to a fish farm, have ya' son?

Hate to break it to ya' but they buy ALL of their eggs . . . . well, not eggs, embryos 'cause they're fertilized.

(And cotton, there are thousands of cotton farmers making quite a good living every year and they have to buy new (gm) seed every, single year.)

135 Send them almonds in their natural state.

136

We are at a cross roads: we can either continue to pursue new methods of food production (which may have risks and shortcomings, and may not be "purity" kosher according to some -- ex. these fish)...or we can ravage the environment more by going along with the same old methods while trying to feed the majority, while letting people starve...or we can be "pure" and let a whole bunch of people starve (who won't exactly go into that good night silently and willingly I shouldn't think).  There are no guarantees, but the do nothing approach will get us nowhere.

 

In somewhat related news a Rutgers philosopher declared it would "ease suffering" if we were to purposely drive all carnivores to extinction or genetically modify them so they don't eat meat (this is just a nutshell statement concerning his statement, but this is the level to which global society has fallen, and to which I say "what manner of new horseshit is this?").  Although I suppose this may be the tack somebody's campaign should take...looks a paragon of sanity, elucidation, and stoic decorum by comparison to some of these idiots. (yeah, I'm trying to work things out for myself here, ok?)

137 I just had this argument with someone who was claiming that it was the evil creationist Christian's like O'Donnell who were anti-science.

What a crock.

OH NOES THE MAD SCIENTISTS ARE TWISTING THE VERY FABRIC OF LIFE!  DON'T EAT IT! YOU WILL GET... SOMETHING!   BAD!  REALLY BAD!!  SOMEHOW!!  MAYBE!! WE DON'T KNOW!!  BUT IT'S BAAAAAAD!!

Dear baby Jesus and Moses, give me a break.

138 you fools, look at what you have done. eating gigantic fish will contaminate the food supply. it will change our entire DNA. penises and breasts will grow to ever increasing sizes. what the hell will happen to the beta males, you bastards.

 or it might produce a bunch of zombies. either way, i am stocking up on bullets and  Durex XXL condoms. the future: be prepared or die, and i am not talking about estate planning, although that would also be a prudent decision. 

139 Coming soon, fish jerky from giant salmon in plastic bags sterilized with radiation.

You did know that's how beef jerky is sterilized, right?

140 Well.  With me not eating these creatures from the black petri dish I guess it will leave more "high quality"(?) protein for you.

Say, what quality of protein do you think environmentalists make?  Perhaps we could begin genetically modifying them to think or be a ham sandwich?  Either is fine with me (although I wouldn't eat them as a soy turkey - genetically modified or not).  Say, I think I'm really on to something here.

141 If we weren't supposed to play God, He wouldn't have made man in His image.

142 I see an new industry for bigger fishing poles and line to accommodate either live fishing with bear as bait or some big ass fly on my fly rod.

143 Any idea on hook placement on a live bear?  It seems like there could be some small amount of danger, or do you think fresh drown polar bears that drown due to the melting ice caps could work as a safer alternative?  If the polar bear solution works I need to write Gore a thank you letter.

144 39 Haven't they been saying that kids are 'maturing' at an earlier age because of the hormones they are putting in the animals now?  ...
Not sure I'm a fan of that without a LOT more testing.

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