1 YES!

2 What?

3 I'd like to see a poll without mentioning Newt Gingrich.

4

My prediction for 2011.

Something will happen on the Asian continent. I'm just not sure what.

5

On almost every conservative website i view, i never see people who support huckabee. I am convinced that Huckabee supporters do not use the internet very often or travel to conservative websites.

This furthers my theory that his main constituency is older evangelicals.

6 What's on the menu?  You, fatso.

7 4 My prediction for 2011. Something will happen on the Asian continent. I'm just not sure what. ------- Well, you know, Coast to Coast AM is doing its annual prediction show at the end of the week. Doubtless they'll drag Art Bell out of retirement to host it, as usual.

8 YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWNNNNNNNNN...

9

This must be my cue to stop in and say something clever about homosexuality.

10 I am looking forward to the candidates announcing their run.

I dont think polls means very much now.

Ugh.. Huckabee.  I am sure he is a lovely person but.. no.

11 Another useless poll. I'm sure "Poppin' Fresh" will give it his undivided attention and provide his usual mindless and too-lengthy anal-ysis.

Poll results are the result of the questions asked, not the actual views of actual voters. And if the same poll was taken again today, the results would be different.

Nothin' to see here. But I'm sure the partisans for Mutt Romney and the Divine Sarah will make this a thousand-comment post.

12 Looks like there might be enough backwater idiots after all.

13 Meh. This is a crock of shiite. Let's see what shakes out by next August-September. Bolton/Palin '12

14 I know I got the Arkansas pig farmer vote locked up.

15 Doubtless they'll drag Art Bell out of retirement to host it, as usual.
Posted by: Anachronda at December 28, 2010 12:53 PM

Damn, I hope so!

Bell/Noory '12!!11!!!

16

Huckabee? grrr

so 2012 another election the media picks our candidate they get to run against.

17 The Palin poll is bunk. The MSM is trying to force Schmuckabee on us. Plain 2012

18 ^Palin. Lol

19 Damn, that "Dermatologists Hate Her for Revealing It" commercial scared the paduky shit outta me. 

20 The Republican results are just heartbreaking, though. Somehow 67% say they would support Certain Fuckin' Doomabee if he sought the nomination. That compares to 59% for Mitt Romney and 54% for Newt Gingrich. The only other possible candidate polled was Sarah Palin, who only got 49%.

Can we officially ban people from voting in R primaries if they are willing to vote for someone primarily because they believe it is someone's "turn".

21 My Predictions for 2011: Conflict will tear opposing forces apart somewhere very North of the equator.  Elsewhere around the globe, a highly-touted new technology will fail to deliver on its promises. A sports team will reach its pinnacle, only to realize its ultimate victory was rather quite fleeting.

22 Ron Paul?

23 That dumbass will fall into the same trap McCain did, only 10 times worse.  As the "media's favorite republican" he can get away with saying stupid shit, both in public and privately around his "pals" in the press corps.  The second he clinches the nomination they will turn on him like f*cking wolves but he'll have his guard down and have a gaffe a day ("duck, they're shooting at Obama") which will clinch the not-ready-for-prime-time narrative the press has waiting for him.

24

Oh darn.

I was still in the non-political prediction mode. I shall continue.

In 2011 Morons will still like their stompy boots & NASCAR

_{(you know not to click on my links, right?)}

25 The Palin poll is bunk. The MSM is trying to force Schmuckabee on us. Plain 2012

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 28, 2010 12:56 PM (xRZ9q)

Hey, letting the State Media pick our candidate for us in 2008 worked so well though.

26 really if repubs vote for anyone that isn't fiscally conservative when the writing is on the wall.. i just frikn give up.

27 CNN/Opinion Research

Not interested.

Really, as has been said here before: the MFM are already trying to select our candidate for us.  They either want Huckabee or Romney- both of which (for different reasons) would really turn off the base.  So expect this kind of thing non-stop for the next year, at least.

It's the same thing they've been doing to Sarah Palin- taking a poll on her electability just a few months (IIRC it was like Feb or March 09 when they did the first one) after she was on the losing ticket was designed (and seems to have worked) to "prove" that she's unelectable.

We need to stop paying any attention whatsoever to MFM polls at least until the primaries are over.

28 The MFM want Huckabee to be the GOP nominee. The MFM want Huckabee because it will be a walk in the park for them to destroy him in the general. Huckabee has his own Willie Horton (Maurice Clemmons), a psychopathic son, and a well documented big-government bent. So long as the MFM can keep that shit under wraps long enough for him to take the nomination, running with these stories will be enough to make the GOP base stay home in droves on election day.

29

Americans will be looking for an economic guru for President by election time. The economy will still be weak, and buget problems at all levels will be worse.

 

 

 

30

_{(you know not to click on my links, right?)}

_{I had to do it!  The youngun'. in the cart is a nice touch...baby tramp in training.  Poor kid.}

31 Is it any wonder that the GOP voters have the moniker of "the stupid party"?

Just look at the weak willed, afraid of the MSM office holders we have been putting into office for the last 30 years. (and then have the nerve to complain about their lack of spine)

Huck is a passive-aggressive....very unseemly in a man.

Yuck.

32

The MFM want Huckabee to be the GOP nominee.

They did such a good job picking McCain for us!

33 The poll on Democrats is backed by CNN; ergo, prima facie evidence that it's claptrap.  Oddly, though, I'm in agreement with it.  I want Obama as that party's candidate too. 

On the other side, though, Huckabee is a candidate three strata beneath even McCain.  Put Mitt Romney in the negative column as well.  I'm not thrilled to see any big-government R's on the list, and both fall into that category.  As for Gingrich, he needs to be haunted by reminders of sitting on a couch with Pelosi until he either quits the campaign or gets his mind right.

We need a doctrinaire movement small-government conservative who can excite the voters.  Christie, Jindal, Rubio, Ryan, somebody cut from that cloth.

34 John McCain needs another chance.
McCain/Huckabee '12

35 It's a poll of adults who watch CNN, the former home of "Is Larry King Alive" and Spitz/Parker, what fresh hell is this,

36 fuck, populist retard huckster? I can't wait to see the media turn on and eat that hamster. This can only help Romney. One reason why Obama is worse than Carter? Carter gave us Reagan, who is Obama going to give us? We're going to win in 2012 no matter what, unless zombie Ross Perot comes in to the race. Why throw it away with a populist idiot. In that case, give me Palin.

37 Posted by: Meremortal at December 28, 2010 01:02 PM (rtFt9)

As I heard on a (non-political, I know surprising, right) podcast the other day: guru just translates to "guy in a cave you can't get to."

I don't know that we'll be looking for a financial guru, I think we'd be willing to settle for someone who listens very closely to well-respected (in conservative circles) financial gurus.  I don't need Thomas Sowell for president.  Sec. Tres would be awesome, though.

38 Huckadick or Romney would be disastrous choices, but I don't care about this poll, because it doesn't address the perspective I think is the most important:  would you support candidate X if he or she were the nominee?

If Huck is the candidate, I will not support him.

39 Grahamnesty/AwShucks '12

40 29 Really, as has been said here before: the MFM are already trying to select our candidate for us.

There it is.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at December 28, 2010 01:01 PM (vbh31)

It reminds me of those stories of people who are conscious during surgery, but unable to speak or move while the surgeons remove the wrong limb, crack jokes and put the patient through hell.

 I don't know what the cure for the paralysis is though, but if we don't find it... we'll have McCain 2.0 for 2012.

41 If history has taught us anything about presidential elections it's that 2 years out is too early to pick a legitimate frontrunner.  Huck is just a placeholder.

42 Posted by: garrett at December 28, 2010 01:03 PM (8XSYB)

Well, from their perspective, they were quite successful.

43 The Huckster is just that, Sarah is too polarizing although good for bringing attention to the shenanigans in DC, Newt is too blasey.

How about a name from the past? Dan Quayle. I saw him on a show recently and by golly I think he might make a credible candidate if he wants to step back on to the national stage.

44 I might vote for Mitt "I like mandates" Romney and hold my nose in the general but that is it. If the nominee is Fuckabee, I am not voting period. If Palin runs I will vote for her, donate and actively campaign. Palin/(someone from the rust belt) 2012

45 What'll you see how the MFM uses us to repulse the public away from voting for our dad if he wins the nomination!

46 Posted by: ¤§EZB§¤ at December 28, 2010 01:04 PM (Ty06w)

Get back to the ship and nuke the site from orbit?

47 I predict Rahm Fuckface will be come Mayor of Shitcago, and It's rapid spiral into Detroitdom shall accelerate by an order of magnitude.

48 Huck is a passive-aggressive....very unseemly in a man.

Yuck.

Posted by: pam at December 28, 2010 01:02 PM (uDwml)

But does he CRY at the drop of a hat?

49 Flapjackmaka, that's about where I'm at, too.  I still haven't been able to scrub the stink of going door to door in Pennsylvania for McCain out of my skin, and it's been two years now.

Never again.

50 These are all name-recognition polls at this stage and nothing more. Newt Gingrich? Come on.

51 35 John McCain needs another chance.
McCain Newt/Huckabee '12

FIFY

52 Posted by: Just A Grunt at December 28, 2010 01:05 PM (pOC9r)

I don't think Dan Quayle has it in him.  Besides, can you imagine all the "potatoe" jokes?  Let alone "he'll set feminism back 100 years!" (Thank you, 'Murphy Brown'...)

And, really, I'm not sure he's all that interested.

53 Mebbe Old Newt (so politically astute, he is) could do some more commercials with fucking Granny Botox. Yeah, that'll do it for him.

54 Posted by: Rajiv Vindaloo at December 28, 2010 01:07 PM (BZ2Bm)

Well, he's talking more about running, so it's a possibility.  He lost me when he went all AGW a year or two back, though.

Newt, just so you understand, we don't talk about "Conservative Solutions" to problems which don't actually exist.

55 Mebbe Old Newt (so politically astute, he is) could do some more commercials with fucking Granny Botox. Yeah, that'll do it for him.
For Viagra?

56 I am convinced that internet blogs are filled with Mitt Romney supporters who will stop at nothing, even stooping as low as making up ridiculous disgusting names for opponents such as Huckabee, in order to clear the field for him.  Gabriel is one of them.

57

CNN/MSM would LOVE to see Huckleberry run. They would LOVE to select our candidate for us...just like we would all love to see Alvin Greene get the Dims' nomination. 

Pence Makes Sense.  2012.

58
It doesn't matter who is nominated.

The important thing is that s/he alienates/takes for granted the GOP base, ignores the red states, and tries to woo those swing-voters in the blue states.

That, my friends, is a winning formula.

59 50 Flapjackmaka, that's about where I'm at, too.  I still haven't been able to scrub the stink of going door to door in Pennsylvania for McCain out of my skin, and it's been two years now. Never again. ----- Oh you live in PA too huh? What county? I am in Montgomerey? Frackin Schwartz is my rep. My neighbors rep is fitzpatrick (congressman elect) who live in the gerrymandered portion of the county. I am thinking Corbett would make a good VP because of PA electoral votes.

60

Pence.

Unfortunately I don't think he's running -- but there's no one close that's as impressive imho as him.

I dont' care that he's 'only a legislator' thought process. We don't have time to be picky.

I don't think we can wait around to get a strong Gov. CC isn't running. Either is Perry. They're already trying their damnest to diminish Barbour. Other that that, there is no other qualified or electable Gov to offer up.

I think we need to move on from that line of thinking.

61 Newt can bite my ass. Those commercials with Botox for global warming made his silly ass dead to me. He can pound sand.

62

Other that that, there is no other qualified or electable Gov to offer up.

Blasphemer!

 

63
Call me crazy, but I'm sitting here thinking...

Michael Steele is pondering a run, himself.

64 59
It doesn't matter who is nominated.

The important thing is that s/he alienates/takes for granted the GOP base, ignores the red states, and tries to woo those swing-voters in the blue states.

That, my friends, is a winning formula.

Posted by: Soothsayer Chamberlain at December 28, 2010 01:13 PM (uFokq)

AKA:  Suicide by stupidity.

65 I predict that in 2011 less than 10 killers whose sentences were commuted by Huck Suckabee will murder new victims.

66 Huckabee? 

Norfolk and Way. 

67 Pence Makes Sense.  2012 ---- I would vote for Pence in 2012 but the media is going to club the inexperienced meme into him like they would with Newt. He is a great Congreesman with an excellent votin record ( aside from being a amnesty repub and a puerto Rico statehood guy). I hope he runs for gov though. Someone like Pence from indiana would make a great vp becaue he could grab electoral votes from MI and WI

68 Okay since this is 'speculation' how about a different Palin....Todd

69
btw, what does it say for our chances in 2012 when not a single household name/heavy-hitter is interested in chairing the RNC?

The GOP is in the midst of a revival, one would think, no? And no one 'big' wants the job?


It's a bad omen.

70

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 28, 2010 01:13 PM (xRZ9q)

Nice to see other PA morons here.  I'm in Lebanon county, which thankfully is about as red as you can get here in Central PA. 

71 unless zombie Ross Perot comes in to the race.

I'm not dead yet, just look under the hood!

72 Dammit. We should have taken Reagan's friggin' DNA before he died, then ran him for POTUS for the next 100 years.

73 It appears that they only interviewed people in the South, because the responses for NE, West and Midwest were labeled N/A. Big surprise that Huckabee has more support in the South or that southern Democrats (60% to 70% blacks) want Obama renominated.

74 There's not a  chance in the world I'd vote for Huck or Newt for anything.  There's a slim chance I'd maybe vote Romney if I had to, but I doubt it.

75

Well, the election in 2008 gave me a choice.  McCain or Obama.  Ignoring the path to that decision point, I voted McCain.

If Huckabee is the candidate in 2012, I'll have the same choice, and make the same decision.

So it goes...

76

As someone pointed out above, Huckabee has his own Willie Horton, the guy he pardoned in Arkansas who went to Washington state and killed those cops.  His evangelical base might think it's a great idea to turn the other cheek repeatedly until your nose gets broken, but the rest of the country, umm no.

The mfm will keep silent on all of Huck's many flaws until he secures the nomination and then turn on him like the rabid ferrets they are.

 

77 Then we let Charlton Heston into the grave without a sample. Batting 1000.

78
Look at what we've got going for us:

1. the big mo'. Right now, people hate the GOP a little less than they hate the Democrats.

2. Obama, the face of the Democrat party, is a complete failure and a phony.

3. Shitty economy, high energy costs, and rampant govt malfeasance.

It's all right there for the taking. Yet no one is taking. Why?

79 I don't live in Pennsylvania.  At the time I lived in Brooklyn and traveled to PA to campaign for McDouche.

80 When the goat moves from the yard,
The wench of the north will shoot the moose.
Fire, death, exploding heads in the Ton of Washing.

81 One, or more, celebrities will be involved in a drug related offense in the coming year.

82 Must be his support of the Fair Tax

83 FUCK CNN in the squeakhole, sideways with a fresh pineapple.

If there was a CNN poll that had respondents one hundred percent agreeing the sun came up in the east, I'd stand here and call bullshit.

They're doing nothing but ramping up the "Pick the Republican candidate for 2012" groundwork.

Not this time assholes.

84 The Pubs should nominate Mike Castle. That would guarantee them 3 EV's from Delaware.

85 God, I hate Huckabee.  Worthless, preachy, spineless, liberal bastard. If he'd been born in Chicago he'd have done to Rev. Wright's church.

With Newt, yeah the global warming thing pissed me off. But I think Newt had some real principles which he strayed from -- whereas Huckabee never had any principles to begin with.

In Newt's case I think it's the fact that he spent a decade after politics getting rich and hanging out with the ultra-rich. And by the time Newt jumped on the eco-nazi bandwagon practically everybody else had (especially among the rich). Being "green" seemed a good way for Repub politicos to soften their image and say, "See, I care about the planet just as much as the liberal bleeding hearts. See, I'm not a horrible right winger."

No politician is immune to public opinion. If they think 70-80% of the public agrees with the "green" agenda then the political class will go there.

So I can forgive Newt this transgression if he admits he made a mistake and strayed from his principles.

I've been railing against the eco-scum my whole life so it was a real setback when Newt went Al Gore like that.

But I do believe that Newt believes in free markets, limited govt, free trade, etc, etc. I don't think Huckabee believes in any of that. At least Huckabee can't argue persuasively for any of his positions. He can't articulate reasons for the things he claims to believe in.

Huckabeee would be "Compassionate" Conservatism on steroids.

86 I just want somebody who isn't a pop culture creation. Somebody who can return respect to the office of the presidency. Somebody who can give it to us straight and is less concerned with the trappings of the office and more concerned about letting Americans do what it is that made America great to start with. And that wasn't by relying on Big Nanny federal government to solve all of our problems or any of them for that matter. Somebody who sees nothing wrong in saying we're #1 and we're not going to apologize for that.

Well that and a supporter fo the Fair Tax.

87 But would you vote for the Huckster over the Bamster? Depressing choice.

88 Maybe we can get Skynet to build us a Regan T-1000.

89 In 2012 the GOP nominee will pee sitting down.

90 My Predictions for 2011: Conflict will tear opposing forces apart somewhere very North of the equator.  Elsewhere around the globe, a highly-touted new technology will fail to deliver on its promises. A sports team will reach its pinnacle, only to realize its ultimate victory was rather quite fleeting.

I predict a new Bieberesque teenage pop singer will arise and be the only thing the teenyboppers talk about.  Then years later he will be found lying in a gutter passed out after having beaten up a prostitute.

91 Well, Republicans do have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of almost certain victory. Huckaboob as the nominee would surely fit that pattern. And, 3rd party, any 3rd party, here I come if they are that stupid.

92 In 2012 the GOP nominee will pee sitting down.

Don't write Sarah off just yet

93
Why not Jim Demint?

94

This poll is more notable for who's not in it than who is, namely Mike Pense or the Round Mound of Fiscal Soundness.

Fuck the MFM. They're not going to do this again. McLame was a disaster, but it was "his turn"? Give me a break. It's time for a real president, not some idiot that The Vapid One© would wipe the floor with.

We only have a year. Let's pick our own candidate for once, shall we?

95 There is one person that's going to enter and win big, Rick Perry.

96 What is wrong with Sarah Palin? It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

97 I predict in 2011 Lindsay Lohan will find yet another substance she can abuse, do too much of it, get caught and sent somewhere to get over the new substance of 2011.

98

Don't write Sarah off just yet

I see what you did there.

99

It's all right there for the taking. Yet no one is taking. Why?

Who knows. But you hit the nail on the head last week (I think it was you). Anyway, we need 'Conservative Town Halls'. Not on a single issue and not for any reason other than getting our message out.

We're always reacting to Issue X or Bill Y. It's time to be proactive w/conveying the message of conservatism.

It's so bloody simple.

100 I think our biggest threat right now is a third-party run by Ron Paul or Nanny Bloomberg.  The former would do so out of his own bizarre self-delusion; the latter would do it as part of a deal cut with Obama. 

I assume (hope) Bloomberg would primarily pull votes away from Obama, but I suppose he could pick up the well-heeled folks who think he's some kind of fiscal genius (and who don't care much about the nanny statism). 

If the Libertarians so much as whisper about a third-party run, we should fucking crush them.  They're of very little help to us and a constant thorn in our side. 

101 Circling the bowl.  Only variable is how fast.

102 Huckabee is the fail.  None of the "candidates" are particularly promising. Maybe someone else will pop out of nowhere.  Or, maybe the fiscal apocalypse will render all this conjecture moot in 2012.

103
I happen to See Dead People and I know already that Lohan will die choking on her own vomit. When? Not sure.

104 To Huckabee or not to Huckabee, that is the question.  And the answer is no way, no how, never, not a chance, forget about it, I'd vote for Richard III first.

105

I can vote for Romney and not regret it, given the current people who are running for certain, he is probably my favorite, however, I am hopefull the field expands, because there are better options out there.

That said, I cannot think of anyone worse than Suckoffabee winning. While in the charisma and debate category he is a major upgrade over McCain, I just don't want a third George Bush term.

106 In 2011, a major American media company will publish false leftard propaganda and try to pass it off as objective news reporting.

107 Fuckabee is the clueless friend who everyone tolerates but can;t take the hint that he's a drag every time he shows up.

108

Who knows. But you hit the nail on the head last week (I think it was you). Anyway, we need 'Conservative Town Halls'. Not on a single issue and not for any reason other than getting our message out.

We're always reacting to Issue X or Bill Y. It's time to be proactive w/conveying the message of conservatism.

It's so bloody simple.

We're our own worst enemies in this--- Like maiden Aunts who think it's unladylike to approach strangers while the tarts on the corner are getting to every man in town. 

When it comes to the game of politics, we're still in T-ball.

109

If the Libertarians so much as whisper about a third-party run, we should fucking crush them. 

Yeah, well that goes for any dipshit 'GOPer' that goes that route as well. You know, not for their own fame & glory or anything. For the good of the country of course.  

110 Nice to see other PA morons here.  I'm in Lebanon county, which thankfully is about as red as you can get here in Central PA.  ------ Nice. I think western PA is very red now with exception of Allegheny county. Murthas district was on the precipice of red in November and that was gerrymandered to pack Democrats 10 years ago. We just néed to gerrymander it a little. Oh and I seriously hope corbett changes the alcohol laws here. I want to buy beer at a grocery store for crying out loud

111

I think our biggest threat right now is a third-party run by Ron Paul or Nanny Bloomberg.  The former would do so out of his own bizarre self-delusion; the latter would do it as part of a deal cut with Obama. 

I don't think it will hurt us at all. A run by them would hurt Republicans as much as The Anderson Difference did

112 Read the poll details, it was only of Southerners and didn't even ask about other potential candidates. How about the Governor of Arizona

113 In 2012 the GOP nominee will pee sitting down.

Eh, that was true in '08.

114 99 What is wrong with Sarah Palin? It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

Posted by: maddogg at December 28, 2010 01:28 PM (OlN4e)

Yeah, reality TV tends to hurt a persons image IMO.

115 We believe that polling likely voters at a ratio of 48% Democrat to 22% Republican is as fair and balanced as it gets. Then the polls are factual.

116 Palin or Ryan.  It would be nice if people went to youtube and looked at Ryan talking with Zero.

117 So, they praise Huckabee and vilify Barbour, Palin, Christie, Bolton. Gosh, so hard to eliminate someone...

118

What is wrong with Sarah Palin? It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

 

I'm not voting for her in the primaries. If she wins i will campaign for her like crazy, but she definately isn't my first option.

119 In 2012 the GOP nominee will pee sitting down.

Madkowski/Collins 2012. Let's go out with a bang!

120 What pissed me off in the last primary cycle was how McCain would win states with a population that wouldn't make a decent sized suburb of Atlanta and the other candidates started dropping out. Good grief winning in NH or CT ain't exactly something to brag about but the MSM sure touted them as some sort of bellweather and signs of a knockout punch. They are Dem strongholds fer chrissake, why should the rest of the Republicans in the country care who they vote for?

Anyway I echo the sentiment of so many others. We can't let the media pick our candidates, but alas with our short attention span population that is exactly what will happen. I say if you have ever appeared on an episode of 'Jaywalking' your voter registration should be revoked. If you watch any of the so called reality shows like Jersey Shores, Real HOusewives, or the Kardasians, ditto.

121

Palin or Ryan.  It would be nice if people went to youtube and looked at Ryan talking with Zero.

I don't think there is anyone out there who hates Ryan, the problem is that I don't think he wants to run.

122 Feh, more MSM wishcasting. They want Huchabee to be the nominee because he will be the easiest to beat. Romney second easiest, and Gingrich third easiest. Beyond that this poll means nothing.

123 We believe that polling likely voters at a ratio of 48% Democrat to 22% Republican is as fair and balanced as it gets. Then the polls are factual.

Posted by: CNN/Opinion Research at December 28, 2010 01:33 PM (dwP7W)

The only thing I know for sure is that you can't trust Fox News.

124
Yeah, there's an entire generation out there that has no idea what conservatism is.

And we have a generation that forgot what conservatism is.

Let's face it, the GOP is an aimless, core-less party with no values and a blurry ideology. You ask 100 people what conservatism is, 25 of them won't know, and 50 of them will say conservatism is the place for racisthomophonebigotry.
 

125 Posted by: Soothsayer Chamberlain at December 28, 2010 01:21 PM (uFokq)

Two reasons:
1) The Not One Red Cent movement is still ongoing.  The RNC is going to have to prove themselves before they start getting contributions again, and when you're primary function is fund-raising, it's hard to prove yourself if no one is donating.
2) RAAAAACIST!!!!

126

Romney is a commie.

That is all.

127

 Nice to see other PA morons here.  I'm in Lebanon county, which thankfully is about as red as you can get here in Central PA. 
------
Nice. I think western PA is very red now with exception of Allegheny county. Murthas district was on the precipice of red in November and that was gerrymandered to pack Democrats 10 years ago. We just néed to gerrymander it a little. Oh and I seriously hope corbett changes the alcohol laws here. I want to buy beer at a grocery store for crying out loud

 

It looks like my district PA-4 and PA-12 are on the chopping block. it'll be interesting to see how redistricting plays out

128 I say if you have ever appeared on an episode of 'Jaywalking' your voter registration should be revoked. If you watch any of the so called reality shows like Jersey Shores, Real HOusewives, or the Kardasians, ditto.

Posted by: Just A Grunt at December 28, 2010 01:35 PM (pOC9r)

I'm trying to be Lady Gaga's 100 millionth follower on Twitter!

129 Please let the nominee not be Huckabee.  I can't listen to Michael Medved insist he's the best candidate for two years.

130

Never underestimate the abilility of the GOP to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Think "Whip inflation now", "Read my lips", Bob fucking depends Dole, John "He's a decent family man and citizen" McAmnesty. And now we have the career criminal coddling. bib ell thumper, candidate....wow...that'll work perfectly. betcha DemocRATs are already contributing to him.

131 The MFM journalice all want to pick the Republican candidate for us as soon as possible.

Expect every news story to start off with  "with Mike Huckabee leading the pack..blah blah blah" and "since Mike Huckabee became the clear front-runner...bs bs bs"

Awwshucksabee is a fucking menace. His weak-wristed doughy ass needs to get out of the way. He's a pussy.

We don't need a Pastor-in-Chief or a  sweet uncle to bake us cookies and buy us cotton candy at the state fair.

The United States needs a leader with a rock jaw in 2012 or it may just go full-commie.

132
I wouldn't mind a Demint/Guilliani ticket.

Rudy makes an excellent attack dog.

But I already know who the nominee is going to be.

133 A bit early to seriously matter, but yeah go ahead and nominate Hucky.  I am not voting for a worthless Republican squish again to stop Obama.  The nation deserves her fate if the choices are Obama or Huckabee after Obama or McCain.

134 I will support any Republican against Obama.

Except Fuckabee.

And if Republicans are stupid enough to nominate that shitstain, then it doesn't matter anyway--we're fucking doomed.

I find the fact that he gets as much support as he does discouraging, to put it mildly.

If a bunch of backwards ass, nanny-state, Christian statist dumbshits serve him up as our nominee, then I will become utterly unwilling to play by the rules anymore.

Every man for himself.

135 Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers, or something?

136

Think "Whip inflation now", "Read my lips", Bob fucking depends Dole, John "He's a decent family man and citizen" McAmnesty.

Bob Dole doesn't appreciate this kind of insulting reference.

137 I dunno--on his show, Huck has gone out of his way to mend fences and soothe the feathers he ruffled, and he does seem to have wised up about the immigration issue. It might not be the end of the world if he won nomination, although I prefer others.

138 Posted by: Soothsayer Chamberlain at December 28, 2010 01:27 PM (uFokq)

Because he started the recession.  Remember?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at December 28, 2010 01:29 PM (pLTLS)

I really like that idea, but how would you get it started?  And how would you attract the people who most need to hear those ideas (i.e. the "reflexive" or "natural" liberals)?

139 Actually, I'm getting a bit worried that the frontrunners right now are Romney, Hucky, Palin, and Gingrich.  Hopefully that will change as well.

140 It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

This.  She is (rightly or wrongly) perceived to be a "quitter" and while the FB posts and Twitters are adequate in their own way, she needs to do something like these proposed "Conservative Town Halls" and actually go out and press the flesh to gain some more credibility.

141 128
Yeah, there's an entire generation out there that has no idea what conservatism is.
And we have a generation that forgot what conservatism is.

Let's face it, the GOP is an aimless, core-less party with no values and a blurry ideology. You ask 100 people what conservatism is, 25 of them won't know, and 50 of them will say conservatism is the place for racisthomophonebigotry.

Posted by: Soothsayer Moribund at December 28, 2010 01:36 PM (uFokq)

Almost everyone I know (with kids, a job, a home etc) is conservative.  However, 30% of them ID themselves as liberal because 'they're the good guys'.  

Most peoiple by nature drift towards a degree of conservatism as they become more responsible and have more life experience.  But again, the 'party' of the GOP is clueless as to how to connect with the average voter and say "we're you---we represent all you believe."

DNC however, my be the minority in ideology but they're master minds in understanding how human beings think.   So they own the dialogue.

 

142 The nominee will be whoever's turn it is.  Got it?

143

What is wrong with Sarah Palin? It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

Sarah Palin should replace the pathetic Michael Steele as GOP chair. The job is spot-on for her. She would be an outstanding party chair.

144

DNC however, my be the minority in ideology but they're master minds in understanding how human beings think.   So they own the dialogue.

You didn't even mention the awesome logo.

145

141 I dunno--on his show, Huck has gone out of his way to mend fences and soothe the feathers he ruffled, and he does seem to have wised up about the immigration issue. It might not be the end of the world if he won nomination, although I prefer others.

Yeah, and he will remain wised up until he takes office, then right back to squish.

146 Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 28, 2010 01:42 PM (ujg0T)

A man can say whatever he wants.  His actions speak to who he is.

Just sayin'.

147 138 I will support any Republican against Obama.

Except Fuckabee Ron Paul

---

fif me.

I've searched my soul and as of right now, despite how much I loathe him, I would vote for Huckabee against Obama in the general. 

I will never vote for Ron Paul.  I guess I was just not vote. 

148

Sarah Palin should replace the pathetic Michael Steele as GOP chair. The job is spot-on for her. She would be an outstanding party chair.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 28, 2010 01:43 PM (ujg0T)

I tend to agree with that 100%.

149 I got it. The perfect candidate would be Michael Weston, the ousted spy in the tv series "Burn Notice". He has a soft spot for the little person but realizes that quite often the best solution to a problem is an appropriate amount of firepower and explosives. The mention of his name strikes a certain amount fear in his enemies along with a lot of respect even if it is begrudgingly given.

150 141 I dunno--on his show, Huck has gone out of his way to mend fences and soothe the feathers he ruffled, and he does seem to have wised up about the immigration issue. It might not be the end of the world if he won nomination, although I prefer others.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 28, 2010 01:42 PM (ujg0T)

One of my main issues with him, amongst many, is that foreign policy will come roaring back with a vengeance next term and he simply is not up to snuff.

  147 What is wrong with Sarah Palin? It's quite simple. She and her family have not conducted themselves with enough dignity over the past 2 years to gather the political weight necessary to get the nomination. And I say this as a fan of her's. Mores the pity.

Sarah Palin should replace the pathetic Michael Steele as GOP chair. The job is spot-on for her. She would be an outstanding party chair.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 28, 2010 01:43 PM (ujg0T)

I agree with you both here.

151

Yeah, and he will remain wised up until he takes office, then right back to squish.

You know, I supported Mitt back in 2008, but frankly, Huck is looking better than Mitt now. That's not saying much for Huck.

152 That Reagan guy was in a movie with a monkey.  He's not dignified enough to be President!

153

Howzabout a GOP draft, like the NFL? We could have a couple of rounds of about three candidates each and whittle it down to whoever puts up the least fight. Write-ins, baybee! Hell, it worked in Alaska.

Pense, Christie and Palin in the first round, Rubio, DeMint and Barbour in the second. Maybe a third round of Wild Cards.

It couldn't be any worse than CNN trying to dictate the GOP candidates, could it?

154 Awwshucksabee has gone out of his way to lie about what a Utopian dreamer he would be with our tax money.

He wants to be President Andy Taylor. What he is is the Republican Jimmah Cawta

I hope he  isn't fooling anyone but blue-haired old ladies.

He'll fold like a Waffle House napkin for every Democrat "feel good" piece of shit social giveaway bill that comes down the pike.

155 You didn't even mention the awesome logo.
But that's the kicker---- even with a Potty in Blue logo, and dozens of screw ups, they still lead the dance.
It's like being Ginger Rogers being pared with Steven Hawking in a tango.   She may be the better dancer, but he still gets to determine the steps.

156 I'd vote for Richard III first.
Me too!

157

It couldn't be any worse than CNN and a front-loaded, winner take all state by state, and too rapid primary system trying to dictate the GOP candidates, could it?

Slight fix there.

158 59 Were you quoting Mitt Romney,John McCain or the MSM??

159 The perfect candidate would be Michael Weston, the ousted spy in the tv series "Burn Notice". He has a soft spot for the little person but realizes that quite often the best solution to a problem is an appropriate amount of firepower and explosives.

And Sam for Bartender General.

160

164 The perfect candidate would be Michael Weston, the ousted spy in the tv series "Burn Notice". He has a soft spot for the little person but realizes that quite often the best solution to a problem is an appropriate amount of firepower and explosives.

And Sam for Bartender General.

And Fiona for Secretary of Defense.

161 This.  She is (rightly or wrongly) perceived to be a "quitter" and while the FB posts and Twitters are adequate in their own way, she needs to do something like these proposed "Conservative Town Halls" and actually go out and press the flesh to gain some more credibility. -------- Dont worry orator. Enough time for that once the campaigning starts. She has been giving speeches. She has over 600 days

162
This.  She is (rightly or wrongly) perceived to be a "quitter" and while the FB posts and Twitters are adequate in their own way, she needs to do something like these proposed "Conservative Town Halls" and actually go out and press the flesh to gain some more credibility.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 28, 2010 01:42 PM (9hSKh)

//

Isn't the activity you're describing called campaigning?

163

156 That Reagan guy was in a movie with a monkey.  He's not dignified enough to be President!

Poor comparison. Reagan built a pretty solid track record as a conservative politician after his acting career. Sarah Palin is doing entertainment right now. So is her family. All of them. Her daughter had a baby by the most pathetic character ever trying to get his shitty little mug on tv.He is still out there making them look bad. That's a fact. And like I said, I am a fan of her politics.

164

I say if you have ever appeared on an episode of Jaywalking, your voter registration should be revoked.

Pansy.  I say if you've ever watched Oprah, you should be physically thrown out of any polling place you enter.  That woman has done more to wreck the moral fibre of the Republic than anyone.  Her audience is a bunch of goddam whiny, lazy-assed, celebutramp-worshiping mooches.

Romney's a gutless statist asshole.  I live in Massachusetts - he'd whore out his wife if it meant getting a blowjob from the Boston Globe.  I would never vote for him.  Newt needs to FOAD.  And if that shitstain Fuckabee is the nominee, I'll go door to door for his opponent, even if it's the jug-eared Kenyan cocksucker.

Fuck the MSM.  Bolton/Palin 2012 - the 'Stache and the Bush.

165

One of my main issues with him, amongst many, is that foreign policy will come roaring back with a vengeance next term and he simply is not up to snuff.

Really? I always worried about him as a *domestic* policy RINO squish. When it came to dealing with tin-horn tyrants like Hugo Chavez, I pictured him in a better light.

Prediction: Latin America will again be a headache in 2013. And the Commiecrats will fellate communist cock, just as they did there in the 1980's.

166 FRED! for insurance czar, since I see him 4,000 times a day on insurance commercials.

You broke my heart, Fred. You broke my heart.

167 ^kratos ( not orator ack. iPad)

168 Hey we're sort of just hanging out in Charming now that we have finished our business in Ireland. Just saying if the RNC needs some help getting their message out we might be available. SAMCRO

169

That Reagan guy was in a movie with a monkey.  He's not dignified enough to be President!

That Reagan guy had been in politics for some 40 years prior to winning in 1980. That Reagan guy completed his terms as governor. That Reagan guy was head of the screen actors guild when it was under assault from communists, and kept it from falling to them.That Reagan almost unseated a sitting president in the 1976 primary.

Please god let's stop with the Reagan comparisons. Sarah Palin has almost nothing in common with Reagan when it comes to their paths, or in her case potential path, to the presidency.

 

170 Poor comparison. Reagan built a pretty solid track record as a conservative politician after his acting career. Sarah Palin is doing entertainment right now. So is her family. All of them. Her daughter had a baby by the most pathetic character ever trying to get his shitty little mug on tv.He is still out there making them look bad. That's a fact. And like I said, I am a fan of her politics. ---- True but Reagan was old as heck. He was getting delirious in his second term with alzheimers.

171 I love Sarah's politics, but comparing her to Reagan leaves a very bad taste.

Kinda like comparing a Velvet Elvis to the Sistine Chapel or something.

172 2012 prediction for president?  Do not care.  I'm sure the republican nominee will suck, again.  Here in Texas we want to know who is going to primary Kay Barely Republican.

173 The Reagan comparisons are apt because they were dragging out the monkey talk in 1980.  Nobody in 1980 was saying "that monkey movie was 30 years ago!"

174 Sarah could do wonders for us all as RNC Chair. Put in more time, make her Sec. of Homeland Security.

Then come out swinging when she has some national-level accomplishments.

175 That Palin girl, by the way, has been in politics for twenty years.  She's not some reality TV star who's dipping her toes into politics.

176

Palin is more like Charlamagne.

I offer no real proof as to whether or not this comparison is apt, but it should be accepted as accurate.

177

Never understood what people see in Huckaberry, he is a goofy, goony, used car salesman; a culty, preacher kinda guy. You think Barky is a dork, 4 years of Huckerbee will make obumbles look like Shaft...one bad mutha, thats what I'm talkin bout!

 

 

 

178 Bolton/Palin 2012 - the 'Stache and the Bush ------ Bolton is awesome at foreign policy but I think President Palin Vice ( someone from rust belt) Sec of state Bolton Attorney gen Cucinelli Press or speech writer dr. Zero Mcvane might want DOD

179

also, i would like to point out that if Sarah Palin looked like Margaret Thatcher, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Her looks play a major role in her "likeability"

180 ON the other hand, I'd vote for her in a heartbeat and campaign like hell for Sarah again lust like I did in 2008.

We also have to remember that her campaign wouldn't have that collection of McCain fucksticks stabbing her in the back to get Obama elected.

181 Sarah Palin has some things in common with Reagan. Patriot. Capitalist. Conservative.

182 That Palin girl, also, by the way, almost made John McCain a viable candidate in 2008.  If he'd bothered to show up, they might even have won.

183 I said lust instead of just, but I stand by that.

184 True but Reagan was old as heck. He was getting delirious in his second term with alzheimers.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at December 28, 2010 01:58 PM (xRZ9q)

Reagan would be more man and more president than Zero if his brain was crawling with worms and he was only conscious 2 hours a day.

185 I don't know what to make othese polls. It seems multiple new one come out every few days, and they contradict each other. Sometimes Palin is a clear favorite for the nomination, sometimes Huckabee. Romney seems to be all over the place.

186 Somehow 67% say they would support Certain Fuckin' Doomabee if he sought the nomination.

Right - so the same Media f*cksticks who crammed McMaverick down our throats in 2008 are now trying to force-feed us Huckleberry.  Swell.  But hey, if Republicans are fool enough to nominate The Media's Chosen Candidate again it's all the more reason for me to feel awesome about throwing the GOP under the bus after the fiasco known as The Lame Duck Session^TM.

187

Seriously, Palin would be awesome as RNC chair.

--Cheerleading

--Fund-Raising

--Providing a coherent narrative

--Organizing

These are proven Palin strengths, regardless of what the lamestream media says.

 

188

Really? I always worried about him as a *domestic* policy RINO squish. When it came to dealing with tin-horn tyrants like Hugo Chavez, I pictured him in a better light.

Prediction: Latin America will again be a headache in 2013. And the Commiecrats will fellate communist cock, just as they did there in the 1980's.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 28, 2010 01:56 PM (ujg0T)

Read his "foreign policy" essay, if it can even be called that with scare quotes, in Foreign Policy Magazine.  I care about the his weakness with domestic issues also but foreign policy is my main focus and I recall that experience being, well, wrenching.  Other than some America should be the world's "brother's keeper" pablum I don't recall him saying too much else, which is part of the problem.  He may have changed his tune lately, but I think the current president shows how much that is worth.

Did the "commiecrats" ever stop doing that btw?

189 179 Sarah could do wonders for us all as RNC Chair ----- I doubt it. Here is the reason. The rnc/dnc are all about corporate donors, not small Indy donors. Palin would not attract as many as say mittens would.

190 We've got Charlemagne, and she's pretty.  Anything else irrelevant you'd like to offer, Ben?

By the way, Thatcher was kind of pretty when she was young.  Most women tend to get less so as they age.  That's just the way it is.

191 McCain, I believe, never really wanted the job all that bad. He just expected it to be given to him because he needed to fill out a hole in his resume.

He wanted to run against Kerry, but he knew he was out-gunned when they selected Obama.

192 I'm another that's not buying what CNN is selling. Asking if a small government conservative prefers the Huckster or The Hair is like asking about a preference for dying by fire or drowning.

As badly as I hate to say it, there are few if any of the 'leading' Republicans that I could find myself supporting with any enthusiasm.

I will say without hesitation though that if we let the MSM anoint the Huckster the GOP will have to win the White House without my vote. I refuse to vote for the Republican Dukakis.

193 They said Reagan was stupid. Turns out he was quite the opposite. They say Palin can't possibly be writing her essays on matters of import. Too stupid and uneducated, you know.

194

Right - so the same Media f*cksticks who crammed McMaverick down our throats in 2008 are now trying to force-feed us Huckleberry.  Swell.  But hey, if Republicans are fool enough to nominate The Media's Chosen Candidate again it's all the more reason for me to feel awesome about throwing the GOP under the bus after the fiasco known as The Lame Duck Session^TM.

The media fucksticks are a given. If we don't change the GOP primary process--a front-loaded, winner take all state by state, and too rapid primary system--we run the risk of getting another crappy candidate.

195 Ted Nugent.

196 The RNC doesn't deserve to have Palin as its chair.  Maybe if they can go a few months without trashing her.  Oh, hell, why ask for the impossible?  Maybe if they can go a few days without trashing her.

197 @181: apt analogy! Charlemagne had one hell of a moustache, and she has a bearded clam.

198

Seriously, Palin would be awesome as RNC chair.

--Cheerleading

--Fund-Raising

--Providing a coherent narrative

--Organizing

--Annual RNC Swimsuit Calendar

Eat your heart out, Steele.

199 I'm thinking that the RNC is desperate for small donors like us or they wouldn't be thinking of shit-canning Steele.

And when Sarah brings the kind of business-friendly tax policy to the table that she will, corporations will get on board.

200 By the way, Thatcher was kind of pretty when she was young.  Most women tend to get less so as they age.  That's just the way it is.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2010 02:07 PM (mEyVv)

Some women, maybe.

201 #5  Ben

I agree with you 100%.  When we were having the primaries in Indiana,  some older man (older than ME,  even) called me and said that Rokita (who ultimately won) had gotten the support of Huckabee,  and "Wasn't that just wonderful?"

I told him that I would support Rokita DESPITE Huckabee's endorsement.

Left him speechless.

I notice how the press is pretty much leaving Huckabee alone.   They are hoping we fall for this and nominate him,  after which they will drag out his creepy dog-abusing son,  the weirdo rest of the family,  his pardoning the guy who went on to molest other kids, his anti-Catholicsm and anti-Mormonism, etc. etc.

The press elevates whoever they think they can destroy in the general.

By the way,  he sure has a fancy house in Arkansas,  and he built it BEFORE landing that contract with Fox.  I guess it was paid for with his diet book.  (And I still think he had stomach-stapling surgery.)

202 I've met liberals. A stupider, more dangerous mind-set you will never find.

Sarah couldn't have done wha she has done if she wasn't smarter than 99.99% of liberals.

203 180 That Palin girl, by the way, has been in politics for twenty years.  She's not some reality TV star who's dipping her toes into politics.Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2010 02:01 PM (mEyVv)

Let's not kid ourselves here, 8 years as governor of one of the largest states (I know CA overtook NY around that time, not sure exactly when) kicks the heck out of several years as a small town mayor, head of an oil commission, and a couple years as governor.  Not to mention Reagan had decades of many other political activities. 

Though yes I fully agree any executive experience beats being a backbench legislator who either votes present or campaigns for higher office.

187 That Palin girl, also, by the way, almost made John McCain a viable candidate in 2008.  If he'd bothered to show up, they might even have won.
Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2010 02:04 PM (mEyVv)

Who was still defeated by a lightweight who won by the same method you're given Palin credit for.  Do we really want campaigns to become simply who's the most popular and dreamy candidate?

204 Bolton/Palin

Christie/Palin

Bolton/Palin

Christie/Palin

Just repeat... any order....

Well, that and Pence/Palin might work...

But, my dreams are made of...

Christie/Palin  Christie/Palin  Christie/Palin

205

Did the "commiecrats" ever stop doing that btw?

Well, the Sandinistas (whome they were blow jobbing) up and died on them, but your point is taken.

206
The press has wet dreams about Crockabee as our nominee.

207 Once the campaign starts and Sarah Palin starts to give speeches and meet crowds all her rivals will be swept away. The Dems and GOP Farts know this. That is why they have desperately tried to destroy her since August 2008.

208 182... Never understood what people see in Huckaberry, he is a goofy, goony, used car salesman; a culty, preacher kinda guy. You think Barky is a dork, 4 years of Huckerbee will make obumbles look like Shaft...one bad mutha, thats what I'm talkin bout!

Huck is a known, true Christian. Thus the assumption (among those who only know about his faith) is that Huck's instincts are right. When most politicians are only "stage Christians," Huck has a complete lock on all evangelicals who only know two or three things about the candidates. If we had another devout Christian on the primary table (looking at Jindal), the evangelical vote would be watered down and the fiscal cons might - for once - get to choose the nominee.

209 Hayek/Palin 2012.

And I would accept either Salma or zombie-Friedrich for the Hayek slot.

210 44

I am from Indiana.  Quayle is a nice man but after I read his book (which I still have so I can check on his statements) I am convinced he is too clueless to run.

Besides,  every time he opens his mouth he demonstrates that he is not keeping up with current thinking.  He acts like the Senate is the way it was in the 1980's. As we all know,  the Marxist wing of the democrats is in control now,  and "reaching across the aisle" isn't possible,  unless you are willing to have your arm gnawed off.

So,  no.  Quayle needs to stay on the golf course in Arizona.

211

He acts like the Senate is the way it was in the 1980's.

In a way the Senate *is* like it was in the 1970's. Harry Reid as a latter day Frank Church.

212 "Who was still defeated by a lightweight who won by the same method you're given Palin credit for.  Do we really want campaigns to become simply who's the most popular and dreamy candidate?"

I don't know what you're talking about.  First of all, elections are popularity contests, to a large degree, so that can't be dismissed out of hand.  And second, where have I said anything about Palin's dreaminess?  I just don't think she should be dismissed yet.

213 also, i would like to point out that if Sarah Palin looked like Margaret Thatcher, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Her favorability would go up among the bitter distaff bloc, I think, so it would probably be a wash.

214 A Palin / Bolton campaign would cause a massive uptick in stroke-related deaths among liberals.

So there is that. Which is nice.

215 Dignity, he said. Dignity. In 2010 America, dignity is as dead a Julius Caesar.

216 217 "Who was still defeated by a lightweight who won by the same method you're given Palin credit for.  Do we really want campaigns to become simply who's the most popular and dreamy candidate?"

I don't know what you're talking about.  First of all, elections are popularity contests, to a large degree, so that can't be dismissed out of hand.  And second, where have I said anything about Palin's dreaminess?  I just don't think she should be dismissed yet.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2010 02:21 PM (mEyVv)

So then the game is to trade inexperienced lightweights back and forth?  Of course popularity is a major role in any election, the question is whether it comes first (such as with Obama and to a lesser but still real extent Palin) or whether it is to follow experience and proven ability.  Like it or not, to most Americans all Palin has proven she is able to do is quit the biggest executive position she's had.  I understand why she did it, most Americans don't, won't bother to, and wouldn't have the opportunity given their sources of news and natural laziness to do it.

As for dreamy, I didn't like that word but settled.  What I meant with it was what I explained above basically since I know popularity has a role it's a question of why.

217 And could someone please explain to me why Sarah Palin's attractiveness should somehow disqualify her?

Does Romney's handsomeness disqualify him, or is it a plus?

218 So then the game is to trade inexperienced lightweights back and forth?

No, of course not, jarod, but I disagree with your assessment that Palin is a lightweight.

219 Sarah Barracuda is the greatest politician in the field today. Smart, fierce, quick on her feet; she pivots on a dime. Palin ran marathons and raised five kids and beat an incumbent governor in the primary and went on to win the Alaskan governorship.  And she did it all herself.  No help from the corruptocrats in the state GOP; no help from the lib ADN.  Just sheer guts and superb political instincts.

She's right on all the issues - she called AGW "snake oil science" when calling AGW "snake oil science" wasn't cool.  She's solid on 2nd Amendment issues, solid on limited government and lower taxes.  Palin has endorsed Ryan's "RoadMap", and she was right as hell on Obamacare's "death panels".

The 2012 GOP possibilities are waiting for her decision.  So is the rest of the world.

220 Dignity?  Gravitas.  That's it, not enough gravitas. There's has to be a reason the lefties are not begging us to throw Palin into the briar patch.

221 "Like it or not, to most Americans all Palin has proven she is able to do is quit the biggest executive position she's had. I understand why she did it, most Americans don't, won't bother to, and wouldn't have the opportunity given their sources of news and natural laziness to do it." Posted by: jarod at December 28, 2010 02:28 PM (SN4+f) I do not agree. The quitter meme will amount to nothing. Palin will crush it right at the beginning.

222 Romney NO Doomabee NO Giuliani NO Pawlenty NO Gingrich NO Barbour NO Daniels NO Perry NO
Palin MAYBE (Unlikely) Pence MAYBE Jindal MAYBE (Unlikely) Rubio MAYBE (Unlikely) Thune YES
Thune/Rubio looks good right now, or someone with executive experience on the ticket. Susana Martinez just won the NM gubernatorial race, but she is as new as Rubio and Palin supporters would love her.

223 also, i would like to point out that if Sarah Palin looked talked like Margaret Thatcher, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

224 223 So then the game is to trade inexperienced lightweights back and forth?

No, of course not, jarod, but I disagree with your assessment that Palin is a lightweight.

Posted by: Kensington at December 28, 2010 02:31 PM (mEyVv)

Clearly we're in disagreement.  Though again I don't think she's as much a lightweight as our current president, there are levels and all.  I think she has potential but she's going to need some time and efforts at something more serious than reality TV and twitter.

I do not agree. The quitter meme will amount to nothing. Palin will crush it right at the beginning.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2010 02:38 PM (XXyJt)

You underestimate the power of the MSM, and also the apathy and lack of curiosity in the large, if not vast, majority of Americans.  For most the meme has been set.

225 No way Palin runs for VP again.  It's the top slot or nothing.  She was obviously frustrated by having someone else call the shots the last time.  I just don't see her wanting to take orders like that again.

226 I do not agree. The quitter meme will amount to nothing. Palin will crush it right at the beginning.

Posted by: eman at December 28, 2010 02:38 PM (XXyJt)

The quitter meme is not enough to do Palin in, but she starts with a handicap. That she's a political dynamo balances things out, but you have to think about the case the GOP is going to make against Obama. How would Palin embody that argument enough to convince independents?

227 Thune/Rubio looks good right now, or someone with executive experience on the ticket. Susana Martinez just won the NM gubernatorial race, but she is as new as Rubio and Palin supporters would love her.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 28, 2010 02:41 PM (mHQ7T)

Another thing, can we please stop promoting people to higher office 2, or even 4, flipping years after their first election to a lower office. 

228 @231 The quitter meme is not enough to do Palin in, but she starts with a handicap. That she's a political dynamo balances things out, but you have to think about the case the GOP is going to make against Obama. How would Palin embody that argument enough to convince independents?

Obama is already making a strong argument against himself with his demonstrable incompetence.

229 No way Palin runs for VP again.

But then there are people who say she's only interested in being a movement leader and making a fortune. First woman VP guarantees book sales and sets her up for a run in 2020. She has quite a following, so she would be offered a VP spot for the right candidate. She'd take it, if she lost the primary.

230 LOL, a CNN poll. 

CNN is not a legitimate pollster.  Neither is ABC, NBC, CBS, FNC, WSJ, WaPo, or any media poll for that matter.  They're all laughable, demonstrably inaccurate crap.  They paid Opinion Dynamics for the result they wanted.

231 @234 She'd take it, if she lost the primary.

I disagree -- after the experience she had in '08 with the six-figure wardrobe, the stifling of any commentary on Rev. Wright, etc., all of which were out of her hands, she'd be foolish to put herself in a position where she can be mismanaged like that again.

232

Another thing, can we please stop promoting people to higher office 2, or even 4, flipping years after their first election to a lower office. 

Posted by: jarod at December 28, 2010 02:47 PM (SN4+f)

Thune won three House elections and beat Daschle for his Senate seat. Rubio served as a City Commissioner for West Miami and was Speaker of the State House in FL. Both have comparable resumes to Obama in 2008. Martinez has been a DA for a decade, similar experience to Christie, who is often brought up as a possibility.

233 Posted by: Gran at December 28, 2010 02:54 PM (xmjMj)

If Palin was still Governor, you'd have a point. Her career is largely fueled by speculation about her running in 2012. After that, then what?

234 A CNN poll? Please.

235 Obama is already making a strong argument against himself with his demonstrable incompetence.

Posted by: Gran at December 28, 2010 02:48 PM (xmjMj)

In 2008, it was not so much Bush personally, but war demagoguery and the economic crisis that made Bush a weak incumbent. (McCain was such a bad candidate, that he failed to define himself, so Obama ran against Bush.) But the media will always be in the tank for Obama, so who the GOP candidate is matters very much.

236 "That she's a political dynamo balances things out, but you have to think about the case the GOP is going to make against Obama. How would Palin embody that argument enough to convince independents?" Corruption. Standing against corruption is the strongest bullet on her resume. Being transparently corrupt is this administration's biggest weakness. This country is polarized, and that is not going to change. The path to victory is to get all of your voters to the polls and to discourage as many as possible of their voters into staying home.

237 Regardless of Palin's poll numbers at this moment, for me.....I would trust her decision making in foreign and domestic issues,  she has proven that she will fight those decisions, and I trust that she knows America and its people like the back of her hand.

I cannot say the same about Mitt, Huck, or Newt.

238

Thune won three House elections and beat Daschle for his Senate seat. Rubio served as a City Commissioner for West Miami and was Speaker of the State House in FL. Both have comparable resumes to Obama in 2008. Martinez has been a DA for a decade, similar experience to Christie, who is often brought up as a possibility.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 28, 2010 02:55 PM (mHQ7T)

Clearly I wasn't referring to Thune.  I like him though would prefer someone who could solidify a big swing state and not a +30 R state.  Why did Rubio run for Senate in 2010?  So he could immediately start campaigning for the Presidency?  I seriously think candidates should be barred legally for running for another office until their term would have ended (assuming they quit).

Yes you're right, they are roughly comparable to the most inexperienced lightweight president we've ever elected in experience.  I'm sure you had no issue with that regarding Obama right (if you didn't, ok then, we'll just disagree)?  Yes I also the Democrats do it, but how well did that argument work with your mother as a kid?  Yeah, that's where that argument should stay.

239 If 2008 should have taught us any lesson, it is that the dynastic "It's his turn" mentality of the GOP nominating electorate is inviolable and impregnable.  John F'ing McCain, the ultimate Enemy Within, shouldn't have gotten a single primary vote; he was dead in the water in the summer of '07, and a year later he was the nominee.  It was inevitable.

So, the 2012 Republican nominee will be Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee, because the case can be made based on last time's results that it's either one's "turn".  Forget Sarahcuda, Thune, Daniels, Pawlenty, Pence, Gingrich, whomever.  I'd go farther and predict that the '12 ticket will be both of them in whatever order; after all, Romney's strengths (economic policy, competency) and weaknesses (social/moral issues) are the mirror opposites of Huckabee's.  Ditto geographic/sectional balance as well (FWIW).  If I had to guess, I'd say it'll be Huckabee-Romney because of RomneyCare.

No tea party revolt can change it.  It is graven in stone.

Mark this date for the "I told you so"s to come.

240 I'm sure you had no issue with that regarding Obama right (if you didn't, ok then, we'll just disagree)?

I had many problems with Obama's resume in 2008, and my point is that Thune and Rubio make him still look like a lightweight. Obviously, Rubio has a lot of work to do to run for President. He's electable, and Republicans could conceivably nominate him, though. With Palin on the 2008 ticket, Republicans didn't make too much hay about Obama's experience. He looked "cool and even-tempered" after McCain suspended his campaign during the financial crisis and opposed the House GOP on TARP, missing a golden opportunity to distance himself from the Bush administration. My problem with Obama was that he had too much of the wrong kind of experience (but the MFM will not let you make the case for corruption), and not enough to do what he promised and fix the very big problems that faced our country. All he has done is create new problems for us with his insane ideology. But the best way to present that argument is with a stark, visual counterpoint. Thune is taller than Obama, as good-looking, better at speaking on policy (an actual wonk) and has heartland midwestern charm, as well as gravitas. Obama looks more like an empty suit when you stand him next to someone who fills one out nicely. Palin is OK, but she dropped the ball on reassuring voters she is up to the task at this last stage.

241 #244

We KNOW three things for sure:

1)Obama will win re-election.

2)Romney will be our nominee.

3)The ballot box cannot save us...sacking DC is the only real decision option left now, and we must face this fact sooner or later.

242 But I doubt Rubio will run, as I already said.

243 sacking DC is the only real decision option left now, and we must face this fact sooner or later.

Posted by: pam at December 28, 2010 03:17 PM (uDwml)

Are you serious?

244 But the media will always be in the tank for Obama, so who the GOP candidate is matters very much.

Don't agree with this one, either.  The media can blow sunshine up the public's collective ass for only so long when it comes to the economy, the debt, the wars, etc.

245

I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for Huckabee.

Huckabee is NOT what the times require.  It was the free-spending social cons that gave conservatism a bad name, and ripped from the republicans the issue of fiscal sanity for what should have been 20 years (but, thanks to Obama, was only 2).

246 The media can blow sunshine up the public's collective ass for only so long when it comes to the economy, the debt, the wars, etc.

Obama’s Gallup approval rating reached 49% late last week — the highest it had been since July — but it had already been “stuck” at about 45 or 46% several months ahead of the midterms and had not been declining. After all the tea party protests in 2009, Republicans only captured the House, not the Senate, which shows you that the public is still willing to give Obama and the Democrats the benefit of the doubt.

247 I'd vote for Obama before I'd vote for Huckabee.

Same here. There are only two candidates I would vote against, and they are Romney and Certain Fucking Doomabee.

248

Regardless of Palin's poll numbers at this moment, for me.....I would trust her decision making in foreign and domestic issues,  she has proven that she will fight those decisions, and I trust that she knows America and its people like the back of her hand.

I cannot say the same about Mitt, Huck, or Newt.

Except she hasn't shown that her decision making skills are terribly sound.  Christine O'Donnell?  Reality TV?

Sorry, but she's just not ready.  Maybe there will come a time in which she is, but that won't be 2012.  I'm glad that most other Republicans recognize this as well, and hope polls like this lead her to announce soon that she won't be running.  Instead she should focus on doing what she does well, which is to rally the base.

249 Herman Cain 2012.  Just listen to one of the man's speeches (sans Teleprompter) and try not to be inspired.

250 Recipe to Re-elect Obama:  more than a year before the first voting, Republicans begin drawing lines in the sand about who they will or won't support if they win the nomination.  By the time someone actually wins it, a substantial portion of the GOP and conservative-leaning independents will have sworn to stay home and pout.

Getting a great start here, folks.

251 more than a year before the first voting, Republicans begin drawing lines in the sand about who they will or won't support if they win the nomination.

Like most Republicans, I want Obama defunded and repealed. That means Romney is out of the question. Huckabee is soft on crime, and I will not vote for a fat evangelical populist. 2008 was more of those two than I could take. It's embarrassing they're even being mentioned.

252 Er, Obamacare, but same thing. Obama = EPA, SEIU, AIG and Death Panels.

253 Palin/West.

254

Huckabee?

WTF?

Democrats equals the evil party, Republican's equal the stupid party ~Kim Du Toit~

255 The guy who gave a cop-killer clemency and believes in all sorts of big government mumbo jumbo would be an absolute disaster.

256 Romney is out because an entire political movement was created just to undo on the federal level what that dumb shit did at the state level.  All of those people aren't just going to turn around and say "Um, never mind.  We weren't serious."

Huckabee has no appeal to anyone except a few old farts who haven't realized that Crossfire is never going to come on CNN again no matter how long they wait.  By definition, anyone on the right still watching CNN has some sort of mental problem that should preclude them from being allowed to vote.  If they can't figure out how to use the gd tv remote to turn the channel there is zero chance they can figure out a voting machine anyway.

Anyone who can balance a checkbook, has never created a giant entitlement program and never let a murderer go because an invisible being told him to will beat the shit out of Obama.  It really is that simple... now let's watch the Pubbies fuck it up.

257 asics tiger became a kind of home to act the role of fashionable tide,onitsuka tiger is a kind of popular.Incidentally, Asics Gel Stratus 2.1 are now the fashion of the day for the elite ladies

258 *I'm thinking that the RNC is desperate for small donors like us or they wouldn't be thinking of shit-canning Steele.* No. This is I think a common misconception, as I frequently see people talking about "withholding their checks" to "teach the RNC a lesson" as if that's going to make them sweat at 110 1st St SE (quite frankly the Steele era has left them without anymore sweat to sweat.) The RNC is actually doing quite well with "small" donors. Better than usual actually. But small donors, are - well small. The RNC's bread and butter comes from bundlers, corporations/PACs & other "large" donors. It's this that Steele has fucked up and it's for this reason he is a dead man walking.

259 #253

Palin's endorsement of COD, and the defeat of Rino Castle was an excellent outcome, as would COD's votes in the Senate.

And why isn't Palin allowed to participate in our entertainment culture?  Like every liberal?  Why are we proud of ceding the  culture to left?  Along with academia and the entire MSM? 

How has this helped us as a political party?  Are we somehow beneath, or too good to participate?

And why is every other Republican running allowed to make millions for their run, and not Palin?