1 Two posts for the price of one!

2 Can Ace post this too, for the trifecta?

3 Hey did you guys hear about Johnson leading Feingold yet? 

4 shut up youse guys.

5 There's a lot of Johnson swinging around this place this morning.

6 Awesome! Knocked it completely out of the yard!

7 That's why liberals get the vapours whenever somebody suggests that the government should "privatize" Social Security.

There's NOTHING to "privatize"- the money is ALL GONE!

8 I dunno, I thought it was 'meh.'

It's not that Washington treats it like a ponzi scheme, it's that it IS a ponzi scheme.  It relies on new suckers to pay off the old suckers, and that's coming unraveled by the weight of demographics.

Johnson will face the real challenge when someone asks him what his solution is.

9

Russ Feingold ??

Never heard of him.

10 With that ad Johnson should be looking down at Feingold and yelling "You can't see me!"

What a kill shot!

11 That was a nice, simple, clear, and devastating political ad.

Beautiful!

12 Even if the politicians hadn't raided the "trust fund" (was there ever a "trust fund", or did it disappear when LBJ started using the SS accounting tricks for the general gov't fund?), SS would still be unsustainable because of the demographics - a longer-lived retired population with not enough younger workers paying into the system.

Ron Johnson knows the problem, but will he have the fortitude to articulate the solution?  Privatization and having people prepare for their own retirement, that is? 

13 I told your asses I was here to kick ass.

14 Johnson will face the real challenge when someone asks him what his solution is.

Posted by: nickless at September 17, 2010 10:28 AM (MMC8r)

I'm afraid the only possible "solution" is to look everybody under 65 in the eye and say: "You fucked up- you trusted us!" and tell them the truth- their money is gone and they won't be getting any of it back.

15
Great ad.   Take the Democrat standard scare tactic - and throw it back all wrapped up in a little thing called - the truth.

16 How was I supposed to know SS is a Ponzi scheme?  It was made long before I was born!

17 Ron Johnson speatks at Teaparty rally in Madison.

18 boob-dippingly too good you sexist pig

19 And BTW, now is the time to fall in love with Paladino. If you don't soon, no pudding for you. Stand outside the fence, looking longingly in, wishing you had seen what was right in front of your ugly face.

20 14 Johnson will face the real challenge when someone asks him what his solution is.

Posted by: nickless at September 17, 2010 10:28 AM

 

Johnsons face challenges every day that you refuse to release the 2nd chakra.  Now take care of THIS.

21 This is nice but what does it have to do with Delaware  

22 #14  I'm afraid the only possible "solution" is to look everybody under 65 in the eye and say: "You fucked up- you trusted us!" and tell them the truth- their money is gone and they won't be getting any of it back.

This is already self-evident to a lot of us under 65.  Would be nice if there were some politicians that will confirm it and offer to scrap the whole system.

23

I'm afraid the only possible "solution" is to look everybody under 65 in the eye and say: "You fucked up- you trusted us!" and tell them the truth- their money is gone and they won't be getting any of it back.

No way in hell that's gonna happen.

24 >3 Hey did you guys hear about Johnson leading Feingold yet?


Go easy on Dave, he can't get enough Johnson in the morning.

25 Hey.. There are still IOU's in the Social Security lock box.. Those are just as good as money.

26 I'll put it this way, it COULD happen, hell anything can happen in fucking DC but if they sit there and look ME in the eye and tell ME so sorry we fucked up, I will go absolutely postal and I'm not the only one.  I would much rather they ask me to give up 10% of it or even 15% than tell me I'm getting nothing.  I paid into SS for 46 fucking years.  That's MY money. Fucking fuckers. God, I hate politcians. Esp democRATS.

27 18 boob-dippingly too good you sexist pig

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at September 17, 2010 10:34 AM (uvFJG)

Are you implying that the ceremony should be PC-ified? Something like bipartite spheroid appendage dipping?

28 oooooh, cool and creamy...

29

This is perfect.  Finally someone who is attempting to expose the truth in the face to bullshit demonization by the dems.

This is exactly the tact other Republicans need to take when the lying ass dems start crying "evil killers of the helpless and of senior citizens" that they continuously employ.

The dems have been allowed to control the terms of this discourse and other arguments for far too long.

These programs (soc. sec. and medicare) are unaffordable today and will only continue to be a disasterous burden until they are dismantled and reassembled in a workable way.

Over $100 trillion in unfunded obligations according to the President of the Dallas Federal Reserve.

Over $100  trillion.

 

30
@22 osted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 17, 2010 10:40 AM (9hSKh)

I'm 52 and it's been self-evident to me since I graduated college 30 years ago.

@23 osted by: jewells at September 17, 2010 10:40 AM (l/N7H)

Yes, they will never tell us, but that doesn't change the fact that more than a generation of working Americans have effectively been robbed by the government- and that robbery continues unabated.

31 I'm afraid the only possible "solution" is to look everybody under 65 in the eye and say: "You fucked up- you trusted us!" and tell them the truth- their money is gone and they won't be getting any of it back. Baby steps..

32 damned sock

33

Whoa, check out JWF's top post.

More Johnson, less Frank?

34 After consulting the magic yardstick, I've come to the conclusion that some democratic seats may be in play this fall.

35 Hmm don't know where the smiley faces came from...

36 Howard Johnson is right about Ron Johnson's being right!

37 Going down like a $5 crack whore, Feingold is.

38 I'm 52 and it's been self-evident to me since I graduated college 30 years ago. I'm 37 and SS has been an obvious Ponzi scheme to me since I was in high school.

39 The only difference between the U.S. Government and Bernie Madoff is that Bernie could not enact tax laws.

40

Hmm don't know where the smiley faces came from...

Thought it was your sunny disposition

41

Later, skaters.

  I'm goin' fishin'!

42

Can we hold some signs supporting ms. Maxine at one of Mr. Johnson's speeches?  That racist Nancy Pelosi kicked us out.  We hope Sen. Johnson won't turn out to be a racist thug like Nancy P.

43 Re 42- Heh, yeah especially on the subject of being pick pocketed!

44 The SS payout age was based on life expectancy in 1940; it needs to be linked to it, and second - a line needs to be drawn, after which a slowly increasing amount of SS taxes go into personal account and a simple array of investment choices can be selected by the payee. Down the road those choices can be expanded to include private management, etc.

45

I would find happiness if you stick your spam up your ass.

LOL.

46 This is exactly the tact other Republicans need to take

The word is tack, not tact.  As in, a direction taken by a sailboat. 

47 Dave in Texas loves him some Johnson.

Not the first time I have heard that.

48 Posted by: pisa0121 at September 17, 2010 10:48 AM (TlA8g) I miss Lace Wigs.

49 I meant to include a humorous sock to lessen the nannyism of that last "tack" post, but something went wrong and there was premature posting.  Sorry.

50

All I have to say is that it is a good thing that these conservative candidates are doing well now because, between glutes of steel exercises, Andy says that the Tea Party is dying out  (he has a chart!)  (obviously must be right) (right?):

http://tinyurl.com/2cy4x47

Of course Lindsey Graham said that back in July...  But he's no Andrew Sullivan... well maybe...

51 It's okay pep, it happens to all posters sometimes.

52 Yeah, baby, preemptive smack down!  That's what I'm talking about.


"Here's what X is going to say about me in his commercials..."

Brilliant!

53 I am 29 years old and I am too busy masturbating to clips of Christine O'Donnell on Bill Maher in 1998 to care about Social Security...or getting out and working for my local candidates.

54 More Johnson Please. That's what she said! Oh come on, 50+ posts and nobody said this yet? Standards are slipping around here.

55 Andrew Sullivan must be feeling conflicted and confused over the surging Johnson situation, poor thing.

56

Are you implying that the ceremony should be PC-ified? Something like bipartite spheroid appendage dipping?

Posted by: NM Hick at September 17, 2010 10:44 AM

 

I'm implying that these boobs were made for dippin', and that's just what they'll do.  One of these days these boobs are gonna dip all over you.

57 I assumed SSI would be broke when I started working in my chosen career 25 yrs ago. So I invested my own money to retire on.

Which if the dems or rinos have their way will just be redistributed that to all the losers that didn't save. What a sucker I was if we can't turn this mess around.

58 Good, I'm not too late. OK everyone, slowly walk to the center of the state!! Try to avoid smaller bodies of water as you walk.

59 Let's hope that the Dems start following advice like this from Froma Harrop


Their health care reforms guarantee access to medical care, will slow spending that is bankrupting the nation and should reduce future deficits, to boot.

The financial reforms offer some protection against another economic freefall. These shouldn't be hard sells.

But you do have to sell them when the opposition is blasting these achievements 24/7. Sadly, few Democrats are blowing their horn, especially over health care, and some are actually running against that success. This is self-defeating behavior.

That's right, she's telling them that most Americans support ObamaCare.  That they should really start talking up the great things they have done to the economy.  You go, girl!

60 I was going say "More Johnson" no thanks.  But it's a different Johnson.

61 Were you talking about me?

62 Look what we found in Bilbo's closet....a surging Johnson!

63

That's what she said!

Oh come on, 50+ posts and nobody said this yet? Standards are slipping around here.

Well, I guess that's because none of the morons have ever actually heard a woman say that.

_{Good grief, the things I'll post just to keep from getting up and being productive...}

64 52 I meant to include a humorous sock to lessen the nannyism of that last "tack" post, but something went wrong and there was premature posting.  Sorry.

Posted by: pep at September 17, 2010 10:58 AM (YXmuI)

... and even when we know the right word, the fingers sometimes out smart us.  Grammer, sentence structure, all well and good.  The idea is the goal, imo.

65 Ron Johnson speatks at Teaparty rally in Madison.

Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2010 10:34 AM (OlN4e)

Awesome.

66 60
I'm implying that these boobs were made for dippin', and that's just what they'll do.  One of these days these boobs are gonna dip all over you.

Shhhh! Mrs. Hick might hear you.

67 53

All I have to say is that it is a good thing that these conservative candidates are doing well now because, between glutes of steel exercises, Andy says that the Tea Party is dying out  (he has a chart!)  (obviously must be right) (right?):

http://tinyurl.com/2cy4x47

Of course Lindsey Graham said that back in July...  But he's no Andrew Sullivan... well maybe...

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 17, 2010 10:59 AM (r1h5M)

Other than the temporary comfort of delusion, what good does pumping out crap like that do? I could have compiled an AoSHQ graph (based up McCain's level of favorables over Obama) showing that McCain was on to a crushing lead over Obama in 2008.

It doesn't make it so.

I have to ask, why does anyone practice this level of self-delusion? Is there some other point to it that has an advantage?

68 Hey...I just bought some Fine Gold...'cause Glenn Beck told me to!

69 Johnson will face the real challenge when someone asks him what his solution is.
Posted by: nickless at September 17, 2010 10:28 AM (MMC8r)

Well... first of all.. our 'representatives' have  spent so much..  the truth is..
If you are under 40 or possibly.. under 50.. there is no social security for you.
Baby boomers will suck dry every tax dollar until they are gone.  Sorry.. but its true.

Raise retirement age to 71.. possibly have to be higher.
Stop giving SS to millionaires.   Donald Trump will get a check every month.

Do something.  Start anywhere.

70 Well, "raiding" the trust fund isn't really the definition of a ponzi scheme, more like a fly-by-night (or 80 years) scheme.  SS is a ponzi scheme but for demographic reasons.  Keeping every cent for SS would be a great plan except it looks like SS is entering its decades of deficits.

71 72 

Other than the temporary comfort of delusion, what good does pumping out crap like that do? I could have compiled an AoSHQ graph (based up McCain's level of favorables over Obama) showing that McCain was on to a crushing lead over Obama in 2008.

It doesn't make it so.

I have to ask, why does anyone practice this level of self-delusion? Is there some other point to it that has an advantage?

Posted by: Khmer Rouge™ in San Diego at September 17, 2010 11:08 AM (oIp16)

You obviously didn't get the memo, the Tea Party is solely driven by Sarah Palin. Without her, it dies.

72 Can he run for the DE Senate post also? It's a reaaallly, reaallly small state, and it wouldn't be that hard to throw it in.

73 Pep, correct. An example of "tact" would be "no dear, that dress does not make your ass look fat".

74 Raise retirement age to 71.. possibly have to be higher.
Stop giving SS to millionaires.   Donald Trump will get a check every month.

Do something.  Start anywhere.

Posted by: Timbo at September 17, 2010 11:10 AM (ph9vn)

IMO - raising the retirement age is not a solution.  A part of the solution is to stop using SS contributions as general fund money.  Had SS and Medicare not been used as a slush fund for pols, they would probably still be in trouble but less by a huge factor.

I believe that a market based solution, even given the problems in the economy now, is still the answer, at least something self managed.  All of that money would build a pretty solid basis under the economy that would help to keep things like what are going on today from happening. 

But the contributions absolutely have to be made off limits to the sticky hands of politicians.   

 

 

75

You obviously didn't get the memo, the Tea Party is solely driven by Sarah Palin. Without her, it dies.

Posted by: Journolist at September 17, 2010 11:13 AM (IzuWw)

I'm sure I got the memo, I'm just not a big reader of interoffice communications. Lying to your own troops, unless you are talking them into a banzai charge against a machine gun nest, I don't get it.

76

Grammer, sentence structure, all well and good.

And spelling.  Don't forget spelling

77  -- 58:  Standards?  Here?  You sure you're in the right place...?

78 >>Standards? Here? You sure you're in the right place...? It used to be that an obvious dick joke setup couldn't go more than a couple comments without some moron jumping all over it. The joke not the dick although when Rosetta was around you never knew.

79

I'm sure I got the memo, I'm just not a big reader of interoffice communications. Lying to your own troops, unless you are talking them into a banzai charge against a machine gun nest, I don't get it.

Posted by: Khmer Rouge™ in San Diego

The one with the rifle shoots.  The one without the rifle follows him.  When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one without picks up the rifle......and shoots.

80 @72  I was not joking when I mentioned that progressives are so busy masterbating to O'Donell tapes (and the fact that Nate Silver says they now have only a 15% chance of losing the Senate vice 30%) they really think everything is going swell.

81 Re SS ponzi scheme and its unsustainability. What a lot of you younger Morons are missing is that there have been three tax increases, one of which added a series of ever increasing tax increases so they wouldn't have to vote on it again. Also, they already increased the retirement ages.

All of that was to put the program on sound actuarial grounds that would give a large surplus to take of the "boomers" when they retired. And it would have except...

What happened was that the pols spent the money after LBJ took it out of the "lockbox". I say now, before they do anything else to SS such as even further tax increases or "eligibility" changes that they go back with a special tax on all the members of congress who voted for a negative budget since the first tax increase, their heirs and assigns, and issue a special tax that takes all their wealth and income except for a poverty level amount and adds it to the SS trust fund period.

After that, then we can look at other needed fixes. Like privatizing it so the communists in Washington can not use it for a slush fund.

82 Please more of this true straight talk from candidates.  That's candidates of both parties (although I acknowledge that Democrats will lose badly if they were truthful this year).

83 86
The one with the rifle shoots.  The one without the rifle follows him.  When the one with the rifle gets killed, the one without picks up the rifle......and shoots.

Posted by: THe NKVD at September 17, 2010 11:30 AM (Snu7z)

In Soviet Russia, the rifle shoots you.

_{Tired meme, I know. There's more truth to this instance than most others though.}

84

Pffft pikers.

 

85 Uh oh.  The dirt diggers over at The Moonbat Caverns have dug up things C O'D has said

O'DONNELL: They are -- they are doing that here in the United States. American scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains. So they're already into this experiment.

There's some other things that are taken _way_ out of context.  But really look bad.  We know the Libs always do this so I'm hoping that someone finds some crazy shit that Coons has said to counter-pinch with.

86 There's some other things that are taken _way_ out of context.  But really look bad.  We know the Libs always do this so I'm hoping that someone finds some crazy shit that Coons has said to counter-pinch with.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 17, 2010 11:40 AM (7rfUg)

WTF good is repeating Daily Kos lies and BS on here?

87 That's is Russ... save the ponzi.. Am I the only one who caught that?

88 WTF good is repeating Daily Kos lies and BS on here?

Know what your enemy is doing?  And they aren't BS.  A lot of it is things that only offend the far left.  But today there are some bad things.

Of course, vic, if all you want to hear about is Rainbows and Unicorns..........

89 Of course, vic, if all you want to hear about is Rainbows and Unicorns..........

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at September 17, 2010 11:49 AM (7rfUg)

Do they have proof?

90 Do they have proof?
Yes, the ones that worries me the most is off transcript from O'Rielly.  I've found the transcript myself at Fox.  The other ones are either not really sourced or not really bad...unless you hate Christians.

91 I've found the transcript myself at Fox.

Why not post "here's what they are saying" and include the link to Fox.

IN fact please do post the link to Fox I want to read all of it.

92 Ok, here's a tiny url...it won't let me post the long one from Fox.

93 Thanks for the link. I read the entire thing. O'Reilly came across like the ass that he normally is. She had two major points:

The people who wanted to Clone the monkeys have openly admitted that this was step in the work to clone humans. Now I don't know whether that is true or not but it would be very easy to find out if people wanted to look into it.

O'Reilly says "That's the slippery slope argument and I don't buy it". First, it is NOT the slippery slope argument if they have openly said they want to do it. And second O'Reilly is full of shit, the slippery slope argument is very applicable because the left has been doing that since the 30s on the way to communism. It is also the major driving force behind the liberal justices and loss of property rights in Kelo from Stare Decisis.

No, I thought she came off very well in a hostile interview with two opponents.

As for the "cloning issue" itself I am still not completely made up of mind on that issue. But I do know this, cloning monkeys for stem cells on Parkinson research is a red herring. In fact embryonic stem cell research is a red herring and a major BS item.

The secret here with her, and other conservatives, is not just how to conduct an interview where all the parties are actively hostile, but when to not conduct the interview at all. I know all politicians like to think any press is good press, but I am thinking that for Republicans who are not RINOs that is not true.


 

94

If Mr. Johnson from Wisconsin wants to really get seniors in WI riled up, besides talking about how SS has been robbed, he should talk about how ObamaCare is going to take $600 billion out of Medicare and give it to

1) young people, who are 2) maybe here illegally, and 3) who vote for the democrats.  The death panels will be the bureaucrats at Medicare who won't approve any procedures if you are over 65, and the doctors who won't be able to afford to care for patients over 65 because the docs won't get a dime for treating them.

He should also mention that AARP is a bunch of lying weasels, AARP is making money hand over fist by selling insurance products to seniors at the same time AARP is conspiring with Obama to defund Medicare.

 

95 Feingold's gonna get a bitch-slappin'.