April 09, 2010

More ObamaCare Confusion
— Gabriel Malor

Have to pass it to know what's in it:

The session exemplifies the overwhelming sense of confusion among state lawmakers and health care officials around the country as they scramble to figure out what exactly health care reform means for their governments, their citizens and, not least of all, their budgets. With estimates ranging from state savings of $1 billion to $27 billion in additional costs, the one thing clear about health care reform is that little, if anything, is actually clear.

“It’ll probably be 10 years before it all shakes out,” says Chris Whatley, of the Council of State Governments, only half-jokingly. “This will push the fabric of the state-federal relationship in new directions, and we don’t know how it will all come out.”

That's from a long article on new state costs associated with ObamaCare and other drafting flaws likely to cause trouble in the near future. Many states are looking at serious budget deficits as a result of spending mandates:

Still, it’s true that the Medicaid expansion will cost Texas additional money. Even 10 percent of the estimated cost of the Medicaid expansion in the state would be $370 million for a state facing a dire budget situation. On a smaller scale, Alabama, which has an even stricter Medicaid program than Texas, estimates the law will cost that state “anywhere between $60 million to $100 million” each year, says Carol Steckel, the state Medicaid commissioner.

While there’s no shortage of cost estimates, Judy Solomon, a health policy expert at the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, says it’s still early to be putting any sure price tags on individual states. “It’s not a question that’s easily answered,” she says. “When our state groups come to me and want an estimate, I really can’t give them one.” In Solomon’s view, there are simply too many variables to allow confident prediction.

Definitely read the whole thing.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 05:33 AM | Comments (110)
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1 They are smarter then us. What part of Hope don't you understand. /sarc

Posted by: Mjim at April 09, 2010 05:37 AM (V8B//)

2 It's easy. Welcome to Hell.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2010 05:37 AM (QZA9F)

3 Bottom line...we're being proctologized daily. Thanks 52%!

Posted by: 48%er at April 09, 2010 05:37 AM (gxpfq)

4

I would hate to have a job which required me to read and understand that 3,000 page bill. I simply couldnt do it.

It always amazes me how they can pass bills so large that no one person can read and understand the entire thing. It takes teams of lawyers and experts to understand specific sections, but there isn't a person out there who can read the entire thing and understand how it is enforced or how the polcies work in practice.

Posted by: Ben at April 09, 2010 05:41 AM (wuv1c)

5 Repeal the POS! Run for office under this banner, and you are sure to win. Any and every politician who wants or can tolerate this POS is a legitimate target for unscheduled retirement.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2010 05:42 AM (QZA9F)

6 .........they aren't death panels.......they're committees!........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 09, 2010 05:44 AM (ucxC/)

7 SAVE GUAM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: THE SAVE GUAM PROJECT at April 09, 2010 05:45 AM (ngD76)

8 Welcome to the ant colony. Try to be useful. Move along, move along.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2010 05:47 AM (QZA9F)

9 In an attempt to not technically break my promise to not raise your taxes if you make less than $250k. I am subcontracting that duty to the states. And by subcontracting I mean forcing.

O and I also am going to flat out break my promise cause there are all kinds of nifty things I want to give my peeps that you need to pay for.

Posted by: Barak Obami at April 09, 2010 05:49 AM (tf9Ne)

10 Unprecedented!

Posted by: Truman North, channeling Don Lemon at April 09, 2010 05:49 AM (e8YaH)

11 SAVE GUAM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, it's too late.  Seagull landed on the far side of the island, whole damn thing tipped over, then sank.

Who knew?  Well, I'm sure Waxman will have some Congressional hearings and get it all cleared up post haste.

Oh well.  Maybe you can save some nice dolphins or a whale or two instead..

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 09, 2010 05:55 AM (e8T35)

12 Hi Folks! I'm Bart Stupak and I'm running for Congress.

Posted by: Bart Stupak at April 09, 2010 05:56 AM (QZA9F)

13 unfunded mandates?

Posted by: wiserbud at April 09, 2010 05:58 AM (wWwJR)

14

Sorry, it's too late.  Seagull landed on the far side of the island, whole damn thing tipped over, then sank.

Tol' you.

Posted by: Hank Johnson (D-uhhhhh...) at April 09, 2010 05:59 AM (wWwJR)

15 Yo. Where Im'ma sign up for dat free ObamaCare y'alls promised me?

Posted by: DUmb moonbat at April 09, 2010 06:00 AM (jw/wu)

16

The confusion is a feature, not a bug.

It basically allows them to do whatever the hell they want.

Posted by: Entropy at April 09, 2010 06:00 AM (IsLT6)

17 STUPAK  2012

Posted by: the Bart Stupak for President Organization at April 09, 2010 06:04 AM (YVZlY)

18

It's too bad that with all the effort that went into "crafting" this legislation, no one bothered to ask "Is this legal according to the Consitution?" I mean, with all the lawyers in Washington, surely somebody asked, didn't they?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 09, 2010 06:04 AM (i3AsK)

19 Will I still get to keep my tonsils?

Posted by: Lowell at April 09, 2010 06:06 AM (/s24O)

20

Definitely read the whole thing.

The link or the law?

Posted by: FireHorse at April 09, 2010 06:07 AM (cQyWA)

21 I would hate to have a job which required me to read and understand that 3,000 page bill. I simply couldnt do it.

Worst part about it is this bill constantly references other sections of itself, making it nearly impossible to get through in any sort of coherent form.  It wasn't so much "written" as cobbled together from thousands of pages of crap written by libertard staffers and lobbyists over the years they've been waiting patiently to have enough votes to pass this godawful monstrosity.



Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 09, 2010 06:08 AM (e8T35)

22 The Constitution is a bug, not a feature.

Posted by: Truman North, channeling Washington lawyers at April 09, 2010 06:08 AM (e8YaH)

23 Will I still get to keep my tonsils?

I kinda like my feet.

Posted by: CUS at April 09, 2010 06:09 AM (wOGfT)

24

Welcome to Nullification

If enough states get whacked, they will vot to eliminate the pain

The best prescription is more Opression. right?

Posted by: Cromagnum at April 09, 2010 06:11 AM (UGrme)

25 Will I still get to keep my tonsils?

Yes, even if they grow to the size of tennis balls.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 09, 2010 06:12 AM (tf9Ne)

26 no one bothered to ask "Is this legal according to the Consitution?"

Are you serious?  Are you serious?  Is that a serious question?

Posted by: Queen Pelosi at April 09, 2010 06:13 AM (gQ+XA)

27 Hm.  Why is this so slow this morning?

Posted by: Truman North at April 09, 2010 06:16 AM (e8YaH)

28 As the old Ponzi schemes begin to collapse, the grifters start a new one. All the schemes we had before, SS, Medicare, etc. will be centralized under one new grand scheme under HRC. The HRC they just passed is just the first phase. Remember, to a Democrat, there are two kinds of people: those that vote for Democrats and those that are forced to support those who vote for Democrats. That's it.

Posted by: eman at April 09, 2010 06:17 AM (QZA9F)

29

no one bothered to ask "Is this legal according to the Consitution?"

Those on the left have transcended the constitution, they need not worry about such trivial things! They have the best interest of the peoples wallets at heart!

Posted by: co2 emitting conservative at April 09, 2010 06:18 AM (SebJz)

30 It'll be easier to repeal this thing than to comply with it.

Posted by: arhooley at April 09, 2010 06:18 AM (s/ekj)

31 watching fox news.....what happened to geraldine ferraro? she looks like she aged 100yrs in the last year.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 09, 2010 06:19 AM (ucxC/)

32 32 watching fox news.....what happened to geraldine ferraro? she looks like she aged 100yrs in the last year.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 09, 2010 10:19 AM (ucxC/)

High Definition TV is brutal on truly ugly people.

Posted by: conscious and shuddering at April 09, 2010 06:22 AM (YVZlY)

33

To avoid a catastrophic event if Guam were to tip over, I have submitted legislation that will empower each citizen of Guam with face mask, flippers, and sufficient air supply to swim to Manila.  This small measure of taxpayer support will save lives and allow future generations of Guamanians to prosper in the Philippines.  Most Americans will support this legislation, and I am pleased to be the principal sponsor. 

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich, D-Moonbattery at April 09, 2010 06:22 AM (M5t+h)

34

Has the sleeping giant woken back up yet? 

God I hope people are out of their slumber come November and 2012.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 09, 2010 06:22 AM (U37Ux)

35 Well, this was certainly,,,er,,,unexpected.

Posted by: Carednek at April 09, 2010 06:23 AM (rgWLE)

36

what happened to geraldine ferraro

She had a rare form of blood cancer (IIRC) a couple of years ago. It's good to see her back in action, even if she is a Dim.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 09, 2010 06:27 AM (i3AsK)

37 Medicaid?  I thought everyone had to buy insurance, and poor people got federal cash to buy it with.  Why do we need Medicaid if everyone has insurance?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 09, 2010 06:27 AM (mR7mk)

38

If enough states get whacked, they will vot to eliminate the pain

The best prescription is more Opression. right?

The irony is that this is exactly the MO of the communist guerilla left.  Make things so painful for the people and the ineptitude of the government so apparent that the new group can take over.  They are Alinskying themselves.  Bart Stupak is just another useful idiot.

Posted by: pep at April 09, 2010 06:28 AM (YXmuI)

39 Medicaid is the socialist scheme for the poor.  Never get rid of some good socialism.

Posted by: Truman North, channeling some shithead in the White House at April 09, 2010 06:29 AM (e8YaH)

40 Just wondering, when do we get President for Life Obama's NKVD internal security police "as large, as well financed, and well trained as the U.S. military?"

Does that come before or after the 2010 elections are canceled due to the 'ongoing emergency'?




Posted by: Darnold Duck at April 09, 2010 06:29 AM (ylhEn)

41

I am 3000% behind Representative Dennis Kucinich's legislation that will save the Guamanian people from an untimely death.  The tipping of Guam would be unexpected, but my crack team of analyst like Timothy Geithner and Van Jones are able to provide timely information to prevent a catastrophe. We will protect the citizens of Guam in the same manner and fashion we protect citizens of the  57 states in the union.

Posted by: Barack Obummer, Pres for Life at April 09, 2010 06:30 AM (M5t+h)

42 I'm suspecting more and more strongly that the 2010, or at the very latest 2012 elections, will be suspended.

Posted by: Truman North at April 09, 2010 06:30 AM (e8YaH)

43 Fox announcing Stephens to retire late June/earlyJuly.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at April 09, 2010 06:34 AM (MMC8r)

44 O/T  John Paul Stevens has just made his retirement official.

Posted by: Teabanger! at April 09, 2010 06:36 AM (LKkE8)

45

watching fox news.....what happened to geraldine ferraro? she looks like she aged 100yrs in the last year.......

Her inner beauty is now made manifest for the rest of the world to see.

Posted by: wiserbud at April 09, 2010 06:36 AM (tWf3S)

46 44 Fox announcing Stephens to retire late June/earlyJuly.

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at April 09, 2010 10:34 AM (MMC8r)

How YOU doin'!

Posted by: Charles Johnsen at April 09, 2010 06:37 AM (YVZlY)

47

“It’ll probably be 10 years before it all shakes out,” says Chris Whatley, of the Council of State Governments, only half-jokingly. “This will push the fabric of the state-federal relationship in new directions, and we don’t know how it will all come out.”

No, it won't Chris.  It's all going to blow apart long before then.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 09, 2010 06:37 AM (LKkE8)

48 If "for any reason"" (I am able to imagine many a crisis they could invoke) would that be the impetus for the now awake and grouchy giant to act?  I keep wondering what it will take, and I think that interfering with the election would signify to all that it is time to act.

Posted by: fightobama at April 09, 2010 06:39 AM (6IV8T)

49

Teachers Union's memo hints at NJ Gov.'s death... http://cli.gs/HDZBa

Posted by: conscious, but trying to find coherency at April 09, 2010 06:39 AM (YVZlY)

50

I'm suspecting more and more strongly that the 2010, or at the very latest 2012 elections, will be suspended.

I have every reason to suspect this could be a reality. FDR felt he was entitled to four terms, why the hell not?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 09, 2010 06:40 AM (pLTLS)

51 I think you guys are slipping a little too much into the paranoid style. They'd just use more fake voters then ever rather then postponing elections. Postponement has too much of a chance to blow up in their faces.

Posted by: Gaff at April 09, 2010 06:41 AM (jDWYv)

52 I thought states could opt out? DO IT.

Posted by: DavidM at April 09, 2010 06:42 AM (R/e5b)

53 To avoid a catastrophic event if Guam were to tip over, I have submitted legislation that will empower each citizen of Guam with face mask, flippers, and sufficient air supply to swim to Manila.  This small measure of taxpayer support will save lives and allow future generations of Guamanians to prosper in the Philippines.  Most Americans will support this legislation, and I am pleased to be the principal sponsor.

Why not just take some of that left over stimulus money and hire China to build a UFO that can beam them all aboard in case of disaster?

Seems like about as good a use for that money as having the Chinese build a high speed train system in California, after all.  Aside from the fact that were spending millions if not billions to stimulate China's economy rather than our own.  And just how cost effective does anybody think this new high speed rail system is going to be?

I mean seriously, who in their right mind wants to pay good money and step aboard a contraption that weighs about 300,000 lbs, travels at speeds of 200+ mph and has "Made In China" stamped on the side.

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 09, 2010 06:42 AM (e8T35)

54

My housekeeper came this morning for her bi-weekly D&C, more commonly known as a Dusting & Cleaning in the gynecological field, but appropriately describes her pitiful attempt at cleaning my abode.

In a very serious tone, she asked if I knew the procedure to enroll in health care because her family of four children needs help.  After inquiring about the father, she stated there is more than one father and they refuse to help raise the children. 

At this point I wanted to say something about keeping her legs closed or only humping with prophylaxis, but decided it best to just tell her that Obama lied and free health care for all doesn't exist.  She was mad at my response because Obama didn't lie, and I obviously don't understand the program. 

I will call the stupid bitch Monday and tell her not to return. 

 

Posted by: Barack Obummer, Pres for Life at April 09, 2010 06:43 AM (M5t+h)

55 51

I'm suspecting more and more strongly that the 2010, or at the very latest 2012 elections, will be suspended.

I have every reason to suspect this could be a reality. FDR felt he was entitled to four terms, why the hell not?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 09, 2010 10:40 AM (pLTLS)

I believe they can't allow the 2010 elections to take place because that is when they will lose their control for good and all this crap legislation that they comitted political suicide for will start to be repealed.  That would mean their sacrifice was wasted.

Posted by: conscious, but trying to find coherency at April 09, 2010 06:44 AM (YVZlY)

56 They'd just use more fake voters then ever rather then postponing elections.

But we'd just counter that with Diebold, right?

/sarc

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 09, 2010 06:44 AM (mR7mk)

57 Fucked up the sock with Barack Obummer, Pres for life. Sorry.

Posted by: Fish at April 09, 2010 06:45 AM (M5t+h)

58

52  I too don't think postponement will happen (unless we have ourselves a timely terrorist attack).  Voting fraud and intimidation?  Oh, heck yeah.  Our darling AG green lighted just that very thing.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 09, 2010 06:50 AM (5/yRG)

59

I don't think it's paranoid to suggest it.

Seriously, they've shown they don't give a rip. They have not an ounce of respect for their constituents or the Constitution.

The 111th is the most corrupt session of Congress-ever. They rule by fiat. And they don't care.  

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 09, 2010 06:51 AM (pLTLS)

60

 

 

There is a video game on USOFEARTH blog that is called ObamaCoup2011.  It is about Obama taking over and cancelling the elections.

I do think he might try something.  After all, how else to they protect all of these programs they have put in place.  Glenn Beck just read a press release that says they are circumventing the ruling by the courts that said they cannot take over the broadcasting and internet.  I put nothing by them.  I also feel that the "Christian Militia" thing was an attempt at pointig out the dangers of militia and tea party people.

Posted by: fightobama at April 09, 2010 06:51 AM (6IV8T)

61 56 Nah, they have enough Republicans getting limp wristed about the possiblity of repeal.  Make no mistake: there are a fair few number of the GOP who like state control just as much as Dems do.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 09, 2010 06:51 AM (5/yRG)

62 "I will tell what is happening in the state of Missouri. A bipartisan majority has voted for the Health Care Freedom Act, dozens of Democrats joining every Republican for a constitutional amendment that will bypass the governor's desk and go straight to the voters of Missouri to decide this question at the November election."

Lt. Gov. Kinder (R-MO)

He's also going around the dipshit democrap Gov. and A.G. in suing the fed over this. 

I just found the guy I'm voting for to replace Gov. Shithead Nixon (Douchenozzle).

Posted by: FORGER - Racist Czar at April 09, 2010 06:51 AM (yg7ni)

63

You might be a liberal:

if you refer to illegal immigrants in your area as "constituents"

Posted by: conscious, but trying to find coherency at April 09, 2010 06:52 AM (YVZlY)

64

Independent media sources are on the chopping block; after that, the 2nd amendment.  They will be working fast to get this accomplished.  Watch for the national id system to become an issue after this summer (something will likely happen, which will be allowed, to make this possible).

Posted by: unknown jane at April 09, 2010 06:54 AM (5/yRG)

65

Gabriel...Lacey or anyone in room that might have legal experience.

I was reading an article by Glenn  Greenwald (yeah i know , i know) still He raises points I'm also alarmed about in the Mr. Awlaki assassination authorization.

that Awlaki  as disgusting as He is , as very likely criminal that He is, all the charges being truthful, (Fort Hood Case)

I'm still worried about the authorization to  put a Hit  on an american citizen.

1. they wanted to try cases of  , terrorists of other countries trying to kill Americans, right here in American courts,

Yet they give an OK for an American to get wacked without   constitutional;  rights that Americans are  protected with.a. trial.

Am I wrong to believe this is a horrible precedent for America and for Americans in general?

what about those frikken DHS reports and how they try to paint, returning vets, bible clingers, anti-abortion peoples etc>?Oh and currently teapartiers.. I mean should we say nothing ? how far can this go? shouldn't we be fighting this with  everything we have?

sure we hate this guy akwali, sure we want to see his death, but shouldn't we stand up because this gives this administration way more rights, what about future intimidation? how much can we trust the gvt? maybe someone trusts this administration , but not the next? but we didn't fight now?

Posted by: willow at April 09, 2010 06:57 AM (7FgWm)

66 43 I'm suspecting more and more strongly that the 2010, or at the very latest 2012 elections, will be suspended. ------------ Calm down. Don't forget that everyone on the left was convinced W was going to cancel the elections.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 09, 2010 06:58 AM (LD+ZJ)

67 o damn it, another post is up.  i'm too late. Gah!

Posted by: willow at April 09, 2010 07:02 AM (7FgWm)

68 Have a link, Willow?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 09, 2010 07:03 AM (pLTLS)

Posted by: willow at April 09, 2010 07:06 AM (7FgWm)

70 ugh or http://tinyurl.com/ykrnegz

Posted by: willow at April 09, 2010 07:07 AM (7FgWm)

71

66 Well, yes, we should be very concerned.

**not a legal expert, but it only takes some common sense to see that this is a very bad idea; he needs to be tried by military tribunal under the UCMJ -- end of story imho.

Posted by: unknown jane at April 09, 2010 07:07 AM (5/yRG)

72 Fucked up the sock with Barack Obummer, Pres for life. Sorry.

Nope, to late, your fired.  That's it, clean out your desk.  But hey, on the upside I see in the paper today where their taking applications for a couple of Congressional seats and one here for Supreme Court Justice.

Lets see, for Court Justice the qualifications look pretty easy:

Our ideal candidate will be able to pull convoluted, nonsensical arguments out of their ass to justify voting in favor of something that totally violates the Constitution.

Must be willing to disregard common sense and all reason at the drop of a hat.

Racial minorities or females preferred, it's easier to get the RINO's to vote for your confirmation if they think we'll call them racist or sexist for a no vote.

We prefer a candidate who hasn't made a lot of outlandish, idiotic speeches supporting a far left wing ideology that most of our nation would despise, however if you have already done a lot of these just don't report them to the Senate, we'll push through your confirmation anyway and not give anyone time to examine your record even if your record is deplorable.

Speeches of a hateful, racists nature are fine as long as you are a member of a racial minority yourself and your lambasting caucasians.

Having all of your previous income taxes paid in full is a plus, but not necessarily a requirement for the job.

Anyone with half a brain need not apply. 

Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 09, 2010 07:09 AM (e8T35)

73 Calm down. Don't forget that everyone on the left was convinced W was going to cancel the elections.

Yes but the people on the left are certifiably insane - we're not. When we are afraid a Marxist is going to do what Marxists always do: cancel the elections - it is for good reason - not paranoid delusion. Besides, leftists suffer from projection; they are afraid right wingers are going to do what they (left wingers) really do intend to do.

Think I'm wrong? OK, then please explain Obama's internal security force statement as anything other than him needing a Gestapo.

Posted by: Darnold Duck at April 09, 2010 07:25 AM (ylhEn)

74 I'm still worried about the authorization to  put a Hit  on an american citizen.

As well you should be, since the 14th Amendment clearly states this is a huge, monster no - no (sorry to get all legal on you like that).

You can't deprive a citizen of life without due process of law, period.  Now if you had the guy tried "in abstentia" that would be one thing, but this is something else entirely.  You don't just get to say, "Hey, kill that guy" no matter how bad his crimes are alleged to be - now don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure they probably have more than enough overwhelming evidence to prove this slug is guilty of everything they say he's guilty of and I'm also certain the guy deserves anything he gets.  No argument there.  But that's not how the system is supposed to work.

As an actual, honest to goodness American citizen this is one of the few of these rat bastards who is actually entitled to Constitutional protections and a civilian trial.  The rest of them, the one's there falling all over to extend all these wonderful protections too, aren't entitled to squat.

Technically speaking their not even considered "enemy soldiers" under the Geneva Convention, in fact since the don't wear uniforms of any sort and since they were engaged in an armed conflict under the Geneva Convention we could have all of them summarily executed quite legal, since they would be classified as spies for being engaged in hostilities and not wearing a discernible uniform.

So the irony level here is pretty much through the roof, the people who have no rights who we could go so far as to execute without a trial or any other consideration whatsoever the Obama Administration wants to extend every possible legal protection to imaginable - because they were hoping a civilian trial or two would be politically embarrassing to the previous administration.

This vile asshat, who probably should be executed, actually does by law have Constitutional protections but those will be ignored because a fair trial for him would be of no political benefit to the Obama administration.

Welcome to Amerikka my friends.


Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 09, 2010 07:52 AM (e8T35)

75

Have't read the article or the commnets yet, but it seems like the gist of it is that those states who are more fiscally responsible, i.e., conservative, i.e., tighter in doling out goodies like Medicaid are hardest hit.

Is this a valid assumption?

Posted by: logprof at April 09, 2010 07:54 AM (CE2wR)

76 Stuck on Stupid. You stated my concerns better than i, thank you.

Posted by: willow at April 09, 2010 07:56 AM (7FgWm)

77

Wow, that chart next to the article is very interesting.  Looks like Harry Reid sure took care of all the poor folks in Nevada.  Getting all those hourly-wage casino workers on Medicaid will cetrtainly help out Steve Wynn and the other owners too.  Wonder where Harry gets all his campaign cash?

 

 

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