1 Hey Peggy, welcome to the fucking party!

2 No joke logprof.

3 I mean, it's 1:45 and 3/4 of the booze and the guests are gone, but make yourself at fucking home.

4 Couldn't we have a nice dinner party instead?

5 *annoyed at Hannity spreading false info about Castle not calling O'Donnell to congratulat. He tried! Her phone lines were disconnected. *

6 Hey guys! I just noticed something! Sitting around eating candy all day long makes you fat and gives you cavities.

Wow.

I bet this is information people could use.

I think I'll write a column about it.

7 No, seriously, I did need that crystalized for me. Maybe I had gotten a little too wrapped up in standard thinking.

Personally, I'd be happy if people accused me of being an 18-incher.

8 Now that Peggy Noonan has had her epiphany, can we get back to the decades-long business of trying to take our country back?

9 But first . . . let me vote for Obama. 

10 Hey, guess what?

I just kinda got lazy and didn't bother showering for a few days.

Now my armpits smell a little funky. I'm thinking there may be a connection between these two things.

I think I'll write a column about it.

11 Now imagine that yardstick, with the Democrats at the 36 inch end, wanting to spend, spend, spend.  And the center of the yardstick being zero spending.

I think you see where I'm going with this.

Thanks for the attempt, Peggy, but based on your stupid support of the most egregious spender since FDR, I can only say this:  Fuck you and your fucking arrogance for trying to explain anything to me.

12 I know Peggy frequently wanders off the reservation and even this piece that is mostly good hits a few sour notes at the end; but if you're in the mood for some great Reagan nostalgia, it doesn't get much better than "When Character was King."

13 Did you guys know that watching workout DVDs won't help you lose weight?

No, seriously. I did an experiment. You have to actually DO what the workout guy on the screen is doing if you want to see any improvement.

This would make a great column, I bet.

14 Hey; how come we don't get to be the 36 inch end?

15

Actually . . . let me vote for Obama first and then rip new media, buy some eggs, clean my furniture, get the volvo tuned up, order some backlava and then get my yardstick out to sew the whole political mess thing up. 

Thanks,

Peggy

16 Those little lines on a yardstick? They're incremental. You use them to measure stuff.

Column.

17 1 Hey Peggy, welcome to the fucking party! Posted by: logprof at September 17, 2010 12:25 AM (BP6Z1) Wasn't she the one who made those sarcastic comments about Palin on a live mic?

18 Something just occurred to me.

That whole slipping the surly bonds of Earth and touching the face of God thing?

Metaphor.

Surly bonds did NOT cause that explosion.

I've got to get to a word processor. People need to know about this.

19 I discovered at the last cocktail party I attended that the more you drink, the better looking and more manly David Brooks looks.

20 6 Hey guys! I just noticed something! Sitting around eating candy all day long makes you fat and gives you cavities.

Wow.

I bet this is information people could use.

I think I'll write a column about it.

Posted by: Warden at September 17, 2010 12:28 AM (tJs2I)

thx 4 the tip!

21 I'm thinking that it's possible that OJ really DID kill his wife.

Oh, what am I thinking? He's so well spoken.

Forget I said anything.

22 Did you know that when it rains, it's really hard to get a cab?

WOW!

I really should write about that someday.

23 Yeah, I know: I'm a recent convert, but did you realize that that guy in Rome with the funny hat is Catholic?

24 16 Those little lines on a yardstick? They're incremental. You use them to measure stuff.

Column.

Posted by: Warden at September 17, 2010 12:34 AM (tJs2I)

< And can be used in pearl stitching a good yarn. 

 

25 Peggy who?

26 That Peyton Manning guy is a pretty good quarterback.

27 The Ratchet of Big Government Incrementalism.

Time to tear the pawl off the mechanism and throw it in the ocean.

28 Traffic sure seems a lot lighter at midnight than it does at 8am.

I wonder what could account for that? It's an interesting phenomenon at any rate. Would probably make for a good column.

29 I mean, it makes so much sense, but nevertheless it was a shocking revelation: Really, frogs' butts are watertight.

30 One difference so far between the Tea Party and the great wave of conservatives that elected Ronald Reagan in 1980 is that latter was a true coalition—not only North and South, East and West but right-wingers, intellectuals who were former leftists, and former Democrats.  Blah blah teabaggers blah blah racist blah blah tantrum blah blah...

And Peggy just can't help veer into T. Coddington land.  I guess Farquar must have arrived with the silver cart and a Sapphire Gimlet.  I kinda think that those rubes that wrote the Constitution were "intellectuals" in their own coonskin-cap sort of way, and a movement wanting to restore that document is maybe more than "swept by a desire just to tear down, to destroy."

31 Holy shit! I've been outside doing yard work every day this week, and I'll be damned if the sun doesn't go down on the same side of the sky every motherassed time!

I'm calling Ripley's Believe it Or Not.

But first, I'm gonna write a column.

32 Got to love that term "Conservatives on the ground." As opposed to where she's at, I suppose.

33 I see two reasons for beer being popular.

First, when it's cold it feels really good after an energetic, stressful day.

The second thing is the alcohol.  It gives a nice lightheaded feeling and calms the nerves.

34 Seriously, I'm a blue collar type. Why in hell should I give a damn what this woman thinks?

35 All the soft drinks I've ever tried have one thing in common. They're fizzy.

Not just some of them.

Every single one. No variance. You open 'em up, they fizz.

I wonder if that's deliberate?

36 Maybe the crowd here at Ace's is a little rougher at this hour, but when I think yardstick - I'm hitting someone with it.

37 All I know is that down here on the ground I can't expense account my Slurpee purchases to Accounts Payable.

38 *hic

Did you guys know.....

*hic

Did you guys know.....

*hic

NO , sirrously, I can do this......

*hic

Did you guys know that it's rilly hard to get your reputation back  *hic

after you fuck the entire football team at a frat party??

*hic

It's TRUE!!!

*thud

oops.  {{giggle}}

39 Oh, and at this point, I want Sarah Palin to be elected president...but only because I know it will make every liberal douchebaggot in American have a fatal stroke.

Could you imagine their reaction on Wednesday morning, November 7, 2012 if Sarah Palin were elected? 

It would be like a scuba diving in an ocean of pudding.

I'm not even a big supporter of Palin, but that's reason enough to vote for her, right there.

40 Dear Peggy Noonan:

If I want stale resets of things that are obvious, I'll talk to my wife.

41 I looked around and saw that it was safe to write something conservative.  Now I won't miss any cocktail party invites.

42 She sounds like she just might be a human weather vane.

43 Peggy says a trillion bee stings can kill.

44 Next Week:

Where Babies Come From

45

When it's safe, I'm perfectly willing to make a stand.

46 You know, USA Today is a pretty good paper, when you think about it.

47 You know what's weird? When I stay up late at night, my eyes get really tired and I want to close them.

It's like there's some physiological something or other happening. Like my body needs for my eyes to be closed.

It'd be cool to do a column on this, but first I'll need to do some more research to figure out what's going on.

48 Peggy says farting in elevators is fun but we can't afford it anymore.

49 _{Shhhhh, don't tell anyone, but people who go to church are more likely to vote Republican.}

50 After several years, Peggy pulls her head out of her ass, takes a look around, and realizes that something's wrong.

51 Let's start a new game:

I wouldn't read Peggy Noonan if she:

1) Spray painted her column on the side of my car.
2) Started writing pr0n.
3) Wrote her column using the chalk marker at the Meadowlands.

52 Hey, has anyone noticed that people aren't reading newspapers as much as they used to?

53 When I said "come and get me, coppa," I wasn't really making a stand against conservativism. I was just making sure my date with Coddington didn't fall through.

54 Posted by: DelD at September 17, 2010 12:49 AM (oAZ1S)

My head tells me to be skeptical of Palin.  But my gut tells me there's something more right than I can consciously understand about somebody so hated by all the right people.

55 Hey, did you realize that Democrats like to spend a lot of other people's money?

You heard it here first.

56

#30 One difference so far between the Tea Party and the great wave of conservatives that elected Ronald Reagan in 1980 is that latter was a true coalition—not only North and South, East and West but right-wingers, intellectuals who were former leftists, and former Democrats.  Blah blah teabaggers blah blah racist blah blah tantrum blah blah...

And of course that's a flat lie. Reagan was pissed on by the country club Republican set and the Lindsey Liberal Repubican wing every damn day even after he set their dead party back on the tracks again for a generation. -- Just an actor! Why be difficult - detante is the way to go!

Things were well on the way to getting fixed when they decided to push their way to the front of the bus.

57 I agree with you guys on the welcoming back of Peggy.  It's like a movie where you need a second bump on the head to remember what you forgot with the first bump on the head.

I also agree with Ace that the column is fine alliteration, the yardstick and the clock is good.  I just hope Peggy doesn't smack herself and bump her head again, the cranium seems to be getting soft.

58 The Powerline boyz are also getting resigned to a Palin run. In fact, they're saying the Republican nom is now hers to lose.

59 Warden, are you missing a sockpuppet?

60 This whole "internet" thing just might work.

I should probably look into that soon.

61 Have any of you tried to kiss a frozen flagpole in the dead of winter?

62 Why do supposedly well educated experts continue to misinterpret the TEA party? It is a tax revolt; the anti-incumbent part is a function of that. Nobody likes paying taxes - thus the broad appeal.

63

Check out this Slublog Peggy.  The female T. Coddington Van Vorhees.

When asked about whether his budget would increase the deficit, Obama shifted blame masterfully. It was like watching Mozart not only compose a symphony, but play all of the instruments himself. While conducting. There are those who claim that the president is overexposed, but I cannot get enough of that rich velvety voice. It's like being washed with pinot grigio. French pinot, of course. Only a monstrous, embarrassing hick from a backwater state such as Alaska would go with something from Napa, or worse, Australia.

64 It's interesting to watch Peggy Noonan part ways with T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII. Not sure if I buy it as honest or just CYA, but interesting nonetheless...

65

She knew Reagan personally, but voted for Obama?

How is that possible? Advanced syphilis?

66 Hey, I'm thinking there might be some connection between the Tea Party movement and the whole dumping tea into the Boston Harbor thing.

I'm going to contact the Tea Party people and see if they can't work that into their message. All those guys back in the day were really against taxes and the Tea Party people today are, too, so you could really make that connection.

Plus, it's all historic.

How cool.

67 What?  The Republicans might get the House back?

Time to get in front of that parade.

68

She knew Reagan personally, but voted for Obama?

How is that possible? Advanced syphilis?

Posted by: Radiant at September 17, 2010 01:00 AM (dQdrY)

--I don't think she actually voted for Øbama, but she bent over as-backwards to make excuses for him.

69 I see six central reasons for the Tea Party's rise. The first is the yardstick, and the second is the clock.  The third is the thumb.  The fourth is a smell something akin to the crescent stain beneath the armpits on a camisole.  The fifth is trees.  The sixth is the white veal liver sausages you can buy from street vendors in Munich.

70

It's interesting to watch Peggy Noonan part ways with T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII. Not sure if I buy it as honest or just CYA, but interesting nonetheless...

She's smart enough to cut her losses.  Vorhees will never be.

71 Have you ever noticed that Andy Rooney says rather trite things on 60 Minutes?

72 Wow, ace, you're working overtime.

73 Peggy says, "Actually, paste doesn't taste very good and isn't very nutritious."

74 I am a totally CC :  clueless c+nt

I only use that word about myself when I've been either really Bad or really Stupid

75 Please love me again.  Please? I promise I won't be a cucking funt again.

I was always on your side.  I knew that having Obama as President was gonna make this happen.  That;s the only reason I supported him.

Honest.

76 Hey Peggy, let me know when you want me to ghost write another column for you.

77 When you freeze water, it gets really really cold

then if you take it out of the fridge it thaws into water again

I love to watch this process--and where's my yardstick ??

78

#62 It's because its a revolt. The elite don't want anyone to upset they status quo. Its easier to trade the same few dozen seats around and all go home richer.

Once people are paying attention, all sorts of things can happen. Like we see now.

79 I usually find no use for the yardstick beyond the 13" mark.

*WINK*

80 HAH!  Beat you to the flip, Kathleen!

81

See Peg, this why the good Lord gave you a vagina: so you could be good at at least one thing.

Now shut your pie-hole and open your trout-hole. Don't think. Just fuck.

And when you are done, YOU WILL BLOW ME.

....and make me a sammich.......

82

Posted by: The Pricker! at September 17, 2010 12:55 AM (0EfeF)

My head tells me to be skeptical of Palin.  But my gut tells me there's something more right than I can consciously understand about somebody so hated by all the right people.

Exactly.  She's got all the right enemies.

83

How can you blame me?  If I had stood for something two years ago, Coddington would never have taken me to Gstaad.  And I wouldn't have spent all those weekends in Martha's Vineyard.  Hobnobbing with the bigwigs is so niiiiiiiiiiiiice. 

84

Radiant -- She knew Reagan personally, but voted for Obama?

How is that possible? Advanced syphilis?

 

Even worse, she lived through Jimmy Carter and voted for Jimmy Carter 2.

85 65

She knew Reagan personally, but voted for Obama?

How is that possible? Advanced syphilis?

Ronnie was white and *cough and shudder* conservative.

BaROCK My World is black and suave and well spoken and so dreamy...swoon.

/who told you about the syphilis? Gee, you give it to a few people, and they get p*ssed and start telling everyone...

86 Listen, preference cascades are a bitch.  You understand, right?

87 Okay, I read the first two sentences of Peggy and all of Warden's posts now become clear. In fact, I'd rather read Warden's.

88 Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall.

Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall.

Every year.

This year, so far, we've had Winter, Spring and Summer.....

Hmmmmmmm...........

*reaches for laptop.....

89

HAH!  Beat you to the flip, Kathleen!

You fucker.  Um.  I would never say that.  You're a very nice lady, one whom I admire and love.  I'm coming!

90

Noonan crystallizes things for you?

Here's a new word: Unsustainable. Sound it out. Now break it up into it's component parts.

91

You know....Obama's sack smells funny.

And not "ha-ha" funny.

...er, so I've heard...

92

Someone tell me which way to go.

93 Shit, does this mean Little Green Soccerballs will flip BACK???

94

She needs to write an article about the arrogance of her friends, the hubris of that narcissism cult she likes to spend so much time with.

95 "Someone tell me which way to go."

Hell's that way. ->

96 Hey, don't blame me. All the bitch did was Xerox my speeches.

97 Off topic: Jon Stewart thinks he's the anti-Beck and wants to lead us all back to "sanity". The things I learn on Facebook: http://tiny.cc/y5g6o

98 wow, I wasn't even being sarcastic, I did find that column helpful in reminding me of what I actually believe. Obvious, yeah, but as Pope, I think, said of oft-repeated wisdom, "oft stated but never so well said"

99 46 You know, USA Today is a pretty good paper, when you think about it. ------------ A) Not for much longer. They're going all-electronic. B) I never could trust a paper that didn't print comics.

100

Cult of Narcissism

Free book title, anyone.

101 Btw, I'm a bit sad that the top 10 list scrolled by so fast.  Joe "The Situation" Biden is classic.

102

Cult of Narcissism

Free book title, anyone.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 17, 2010 01:16 AM (DHDgK)

Nope, That's my next magnum opus.

103

wow, I wasn't even being sarcastic, I did find that column helpful in reminding me of what I actually believe.

It's nice when she uses her powers for good.

104 Jon Stewart thinks he's the anti-Beck and wants to lead us all back to "sanity".

Sanity? Liberals are always expounding upon shit they absolutely haven't a clue about.

105 Further evidence that trillion is the word of the Century.

106 Midol works better than Motrin.

David Frum told me this, but I didn't listen.

*fires up Wordperfect

107

Mom, I told you to do more drugs.

108 Tear down that wall, Peggy!

109

This is a disaster.

We could have had 9 Senate seats. Now we will only get 9 Senate seats.

We never could have repealed ObamaCare. Now we will never repeal ObamaCare.

If you love the TeaBaggers so much Peg, then go down to Delaware and campaign for O'Donnell.

*I'll be at the Fox studios making incorrect predictions based on flawed premises and hopeless miscalculations- as always*

110 Can I just say that I'm starting to hate Bloomberg more then Obama. He starts at 30 and takes it to 36 with a big FU to everyone. Where are the new nyc conservative leaders.

111 My column is entitled "Declarations."

Get it?

112 Having 36 cats living in my apartment is a bad idea.  I knew I should have stopped at 18.

113 Can I just say that I'm starting to hate Bloomberg more then Obama.

He's the white Ogabe.

114 If intellectuals are so smart, how come they get so much shit wrong?

115

The thing that has bothered me most about Bloomberg is that in all his statements about the mosque, he hasn't addressed the "decency" issue.  Not once.  Much easier to pretend 70% of New Yorkers are intolerant and bigots. 

What an asshole.

116 I'm changing my name to Peggy Solutions.

You can't imagine the power I will have now.

117 97 Off topic: Jon Stewart thinks he's the anti-Beck and wants to lead us all back to "sanity". -------------- Heh. Coulda saved himself some trouble by piggybacking on Ed Schulz's big D.C. gig. I mean, Schulz is already going to have at least dozens show up, right?

118 "He's the white Ogabe."

Naah, he's John Anderson.

119

I think if you go back and look at federal and most state spending you would find that if we took spending levels from 2003 or thereabouts and just adjusted for inflation and population growth most budgets would be fine. But we didn't do that. Now, were people dropping dead in the streets in 2003 from lack of government spending? No, of course not. But because you had Republicans competing with Dems for compassion awards, costs blew way out of porportion. Somewhere in there you had that cocksucker Tom Delay claiming that the federal budget had been cut to the bone. Fuck him to hell for all eternity.

The point that Peggy N is finally discovering (way too late) is that the game has been that when liberals win government expands rapidly and that when "conservatives" win government expands slightly less rapidly. Thanks alot.

When conservatives win government needs to shrink in absolute terms. That can only happen by eliminating whole departments: Education, Energy, Labor, Commerce... The benefit is reduced costs and forcing some of the most useless cocksuckers in the world to actually go into the private sector and produce for a living.

If we can't explain to the electorate why this needs to happen then is no hope. It's just a matter of how long the slide into national bankruptcy will take.

 

120 God placed intellectuals on this earth because us heathens do not know what is best for us. They are here to save us from ourselves.

121 I thought Bloomberg was just buying insurance to make sure the eventual WMD won't be set off in NYC.

122 Yep, SteveN, people need to be fired.  Wages and bennies cut.

123

Let's have a big round of applause for Peggy Noonan everyone. Who else is so way out in front of this stuff like her, so cutting edge? Perhaps only Mitt Romney I think. 

124 I see two central reasons for the Tea Party's rise. The first is the dildo, and the second is the clock. First, the dildo. Imagine that over at the 36-inch end you've got pure liberal thinking..........

125 In a world full of racist bigot fascists and loony conspiracy theorists, it's good to have the occasional voice of reason muster the courage to speak out.

126

18 inches excites me.

36 inches scares me.

24 inches makes me moderately moist.

 

 

 

127 Peggy is correct about running out of time....more and more Americans will be forced to live off of government and work for government if this goes on much longer.

No way will they vote away their employment or healthcare for the children.

128 "When conservatives win government needs to shrink in absolute terms."

That would be nice, but relative to GDP is OK.  Axing departments would be great, of course, but more for the regulation-zapping than the actual cost.

129

#128 someone -

Don't start giving in before the fight has even started.

130 #126, But I bet you've never experienced more than 5 or 6, tops. C'mon, you're Irish.

131 OMG, I'm sooooooooooooooooo drunk!

What happened?!

132

#127 - They can vote what they please. It doesn't mean they will get it. Ask King Canute how ordering the tide to stay out worked for him.

You might fool the voters, but the rules of reality don't change.

133

Without reading the whole column....

I always liked Peggy Noonan. Really.

She is very "right brained" and touchy feely, but always seemed to grasp big picture thinking. (the right really needs these types.  Michael Barone, for all his hobo skinning abilities, can't reach parts of the base)

That is, before her meltdown that took place 5 or 6 years ago.  I won't discuss motives because I have no idea, but she came to hate GW, irrationally in my humble opinion, and lost all credibility with me.

Her leftward drift, if you want to call it that, was complete with her bad mouthing of Palin and her subtle (or not so) cheerleading of Ostumble.

I'll never trust her again.  I'll never not wonder what her true agenda is. 

Seemingly any wind can blow her.  And not in the Mel Gibson sense. She lost her rudder.  Sad. (not to be emo about it, but she used to be a must read along with Sowell, Hansen etc)

That said, she makes excellent points here.  This is throwback Peggy, before....before something happened, whatever it was.

Glad to see it, hope she keeps it up, but like I said, I'll never trust her.  Everything with a grain of salt.  A grain of salt is better than T. Codd, Frum, and David Brooks any day though.

Speaking of, did anyone see DB's latest?  What a tool.

134 Heh.  Off sock.

135 Hey, you know what would fit perfectly underneath these loops here on my pants?

A belt.

It's pretty cool how things just sometimes randomly fit together. Life sure is funny that way.

136 So-called wise men thought themselves wise and yet were not, but I knew I was not wise at all, because I was the only person aware of his own ignorance.

137 "Don't start giving in before the fight has even started."

I'm not bargaining with anyone -- that's not my job.  But the political road for trillions in spending cuts (which would, even after cleaning out the BO/late Bush shit, require entitlement adjustments) is rough, and people here tend to get sucked in to hopelessness (Ace and Drew were bemoaning the difficulties in a previous thread, I think).

So, just between us, I'm noting that there's a less traumatic endgame here.

138

Funny voice from the recent past, Barbara Boxer:

"Voters are grumpy."

Just thought you guys might like an O/T flashback.

139 135 Hey, you know what would fit perfectly underneath these loops here on my pants? A belt. ------------ Pfft. A belt way down on your pants? Sure, if you want to be totally uncool!

140 #137 Less traumatic for the Democrats, certainly. I'll give you that.

141 See, two things explain these teabaggers and how they've diminished the crease in Obama's pants--the yardstick and the clock.

Picture a yardstick. It's straight and you measure stuff with it.

Teabaggers are mostly straight, right? So there you go. And they want measured government. So that explains a lot, really.

Now think about a clock. It goes around and around. And ... well I'll be a monkey's uncle! After it goes around, it starts back over again at the same place. It's circular.

So, it's almost like the more things change (get it? Hope and Change?) the more they stay the same!!

Oh, wow. That's pretty catchy. I should make that a saying.

Where were we now?

142

#128,

Government spending as a percent of GDP is near an all time high, comparable only to when we were in the midst of WWII. Under any realistic scenario there is no way we get the deficit below $1Trillion unless we start massive budget cuts. That means whole departments go. And that means we get rid of programs that have done nothing but make matters worse. The prime example being Education, in which federal spending has increased geometrically and results have declined. We need pols with the courage to take this case to the electorate.

143

I was thinking.....shit kinda stinks.

...and stuff.

144 #141. In Europe, wouldn't it be a meter stick? Doesn't that change things?

145 I'm thinking that floppy disks are going to decline in popularity over the next few years.

146 #133, Peggy N was always about emotion. That's why she's inconsistent, unreliable and illogical.

147 And of course that's a flat lie. Reagan was pissed on by the country club Republican set and the Lindsey Liberal Repubican wing every damn day even after he set their dead party back on the tracks again for a generation. -- Just an actor! Why be difficult - detante is the way to go!

Things were well on the way to getting fixed when they decided to push their way to the front of the bus.

Posted by: Oldcat at September 17, 2010 12:56 AM (Jp/J9)

You're damn right. I worked for Reagan all 8 years, and let me tell you those Bush people could not WAIT to get rid of all of us.  They totally acted like "at last!  Our guy is where he should have been 8 years ago!  Now get lost, all you right-wing freaks!"  They canned every single Reagan appointee, right down to the 22-year-old nerds in the bowels of the Department of Whatever.  They never asked for the advice of any of us. 

And then they proceeded to fuck up everything we had done. 

I think one reason Peggy Noonan never liked W. was because of this.  The Reaganites were all rather rudely tossed aside by the Bushes.  If you can say one thing for Peggy, she reveres Reagan and always will.

148 Peggy has about 10 more years of columns like this ahead of her before I'll take her seriously again.

149 I would echo Gloria a bit. Peggy got caught on mike making fun of Sarah in 2008. It wasn't what she said that mattered. It just let you know that she did not "get it". Her own blindness to to the liberal establishment "group think"( that she shares) was laid bare for all to see. Today, in 2010, she's saying "hey, this could be something". As much as I have loved her writing and as much as she got Reagan, I think she is seriously behind the curve....

150 Ah, geez, Peggy Noonan ... I knew so many Catholic girls like her, back in the day. Lace Curtain types, pretentious, uptight, frigid. Even dated a few. What a waste of time. I might just as well have stayed home and wanked off.

You know what the difference is between Lace Curtain Irish (like Peggy) and Shanty Irish (like me)?

Lace Curtain Irish take the dishes out of the sink before they piss in it.

151 148 Peggy has about 10 more years of columns like this ahead of her before I'll take her seriously again.

Posted by: Maetenloch at September 17, 2010 01:49 AM (vfNQj)

Exactly!

152

They totally acted like "at last!  Our guy is where he should have been 8 years ago!  Now get lost, all you right-wing freaks!"  They canned every single Reagan appointee, right down to the 22-year-old nerds in the bowels of the Department of Whatever.  They never asked for the advice of any of us. 

That was kindler and gentler, though.

153

And then they proceeded to fuck up everything we had done. 

Kinder and gentler.

154 I know that just two years ago I said that furniture polish is a tasty, nutritional and perfectly appropriate snack for toddlers, but recent information has come to light that has caused me to rethink this statement.

My biggest concern here--though it hardly needs to be stated--is that some of you will take this unfortunate error in judgment as evidence that I'm not smarter and better than you.

Let's be clear. I am.

155

_{18 inches excites me.}

_{36 inches scares me.}

_{24 inches makes me moderately moist.}

Get ready to be terrified.

156 What they want is representatives who'll begin the negotiations at 18 inches and tug the final bill toward 5 inches.

It's way too late for that squish crap.

To arrive at anything like the government the Constitution authorizes, which is pretty much what the teacrackaz want, their representatives would have to start at -10,000 and go "That's it. Fuck off," enough to maintain an average of about -36. For...ehhhhhhh...two hundred years or so?

That's totally gonna happen.

157

I saw what Bush 1 was from the beginning.  As soon as he said "kinder and gentler."  What he meant was "so arrogant, I don't need Reagan's playbook, even though it worked."

158

_{Heh.  Off sock.}

Wow, you had me confused there, gloria.

159 Riddle me this:

How old is the dust on Ms. Noonan's cooter?

160 Hey Peggy, you're pretty sharp!

However, your thoughts seem to be taking a dark turn. . . .

161 Somewtimes I don't know what I like more about this blog; the spammers or the commentors or ace and the cobloggers?

162 Hey, cheapuggs, what did you think about the "Overton window" aspect of Noonan's article?  Think she should have refererenced it directly or given attribution?

163 NYC is over run with rats and bedbugs. Bloomberg bans trans fat. The MTA keeps raising fares and cutting service. Bloomberg closes streets so people can sit in lawnchairs in the middle of broadway and then proposes a 'congestion fee' on drivers. He bans smoking in bars and now wants it banned outdoors, because he quit and expects everyone to be like him. He is making everything a crime. What is happening to our personal freedoms? He's a greedy little self serving dictator who extended term limits for himself. NYC has to follow this national tea party movement and get some conservatives in office.

164 164 Somewtimes I don't know what I like more about this blog; the spammers or the commentors or ace and the cobloggers?

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2010 01:59 AM (jxfGR)

--I think ug*s for cheap is quicker on the uptake than Peggy Noonan.

165 Where's Peggy Noonan been for the past 2 years?

Also, there is a serious timing malfunction at AOSHQ.  People are timing their liquor for the ONT and you throw up (while I did NOT throw up) documents and links that need serious consideration.   What kind of a hobo-farm are you guys running here?

Oh alright BELCH, there are you happy.

166 I miss Jason.

167 Imagine that over at the 36-inch end you've got pure liberal thinking—more and larger government programs, a bigger government that costs more in the many ways that cost can be calculated. Over at the other end you've got conservative thinking—a government that is growing smaller and less demanding and is less expensive. You assume that when the two major parties are negotiating bills in Washington, they sort of lay down the yardstick and begin negotiations at the 18-inch line. Each party pulls in the direction it wants, and the dominant party moves the government a few inches in their direction.

Of fer Cry-iey!

No wonder math was such a fucking mystery to me from age 12-19!

God bless Euclid and the advanced maths necessary not to look like a total fucking prat in the Science, Maths, Philosophy and even fucking Music tutorials required for me to get my degree!

I learned more about how to write an essay from studying Euclid; than any later commentary on my use or abuse (rampant and acknowledged) of punctuation.

I've never been one for arithmetic per se but this sort of geometrical attempt at a "word problem" leaves me fucking cold.

Shut the fuck up, dumbass.

Were I a Junior, having to hash out Zeno's paradox (again) before I got to see the Calculus proved, I would have no time for your silly fucking yardstick metaphors.

Talk to me about numbers after you've sliced and diced, chilled and gassified, and tried to weigh and measure some shit, your first two years.

Metaphor will get you a long way as a sincere student outside your field of competence.

Can and should bring down nothing but derision in the pretentious.

What?

You are the Cantor of politics?

Please.

168

I miss Becky.

Who do you guys miss?

169 THE OVERTON YARDSTICK, by Peggy Noonan

170 Peggy Noonan wants the cool kids to like her.

171 Here ya' go prof.

172 Hmmmm.

@ Ace

"No, seriously, I did need that crystalized for me. Maybe I had gotten a little too wrapped up in standard thinking."

You're kidding me right?

173 Ms. Noonan, your article scares me, and I am very threatened.

174 Washington has become a place that conservative ideas go die (and conservative politicians go to garner dinner invitations).  Term limits nao.

175 174 Here ya' go prof.

Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2010 02:10 AM (jxfGR)

--Classic album.

Brings me back to my first year of college.

176 Hmmm.

All kidding aside frankly I have zero use for Noonan.  It's nice that, at this very precise moment, she evidently had an epiphany.  Or at least is faking one.  But I can't say I give a rat's ass because we all know that she'll write some bitchy attack piece at some point in the near future.

So from my heart to Noonan's: congrats.  Now go away.

177

_{Classic album.}

I am a big fan of this album and 'Angel Dust'.  Both hold up well.

That Bass is just filthy.

 

178 THE OVERTON YARDSTICK, by Peggy Noonan

Heh.

179 An intellectual conservative realizes what all us morons have known for two years.  That right there is your yardstick.  Shove it up your ass, Peg.

180 Peggy Noonan was here

181 And yet another post by Ace.

I think he went all Alex P. Keaton on the speed tonight.

182 I wonder whether this is an attempt by Noonan to start to rehabilitate herself with conservatives? Because I agree entirely with Delta Smelt @ 133 above: I'll never trust her again, but it's nice to see the familiar old Peggy I used to admire, back before the BDS set in.

Whatever her motivation, in the passage quoted by Ace she speaks with accuracy, and while her epiphany consists of the patently obvious--well, if Ace found it helpful, I'm sure a lot of conservatives will.

In other words, I'm not looking this gift horse in the mouth.

183 The second thing is the clock. Here is a great virtue of the Tea Party: They know what time it is. It's getting late. If we don't get the size and cost of government in line now, we won't be able to.


FTR Ace, this was the point I was trying to make with my analogy 'it makes sense to bet big and risky if you don't have the time to grind'

184 Peggy's a good writer.  So what.  If I could write the way she does, I would be expressing conservative ideas.  I sure as hell would not be dicking around with Barry and the cocktail club circuit.  She doesn't persuade anyone.  Hell, nobody reads her shit anymore.  Certainly no one who is persuadable.  Fuck Peggy and her lovely prose. 

185 Oh, yeah.

Turns out that the hot new kid who has been making kick-ass political spots, did a movie on Flatland.

I love that book and I have assigned it as a bit of Lit. for some of my math students and as a bit of Math for some of my reading students, for ages...

I should really look at his movie version but I do still think that it's something that every 6th grader should probably have to try to "imagine" on their own.

Isn't that the tough part?

Getting back down into 2D?

186

The real problem, keeping the yardstick as metaphor, is that it hasn't any negative numbers. If the 36" mark is pure leftwing socialism, then the 0" mark isn't shrinking government but simply *zero growth* in government functions(with spending still growing, of course). Or that's the best assumption we're allowed by the GOP establishment. Their constant refrain is that a reduction in government functions and spending is "extremist" and "unrealistic." So what happens when you compromise? Well anything greater than zero means a growing government.

That's why any so-called compromise is ultimately a victory for the socialist Left. Because it always means more food for the leviathan.

187 * I discovered at the last cocktail party I attended that the more you drink, the better looking and more manly David Brooks looks.* We have so much to discuss.

188 Certainly no one who is persuadable.  Fuck Peggy and her lovely prose.

Seems kind of sad when you think on it.

She is a very good writer and probably was something, back in the day, in the '80's or something but I don't see her as being anything other than an emeritus type personality at any of the remaining print papers.

What sort of insight could she possibly lend to people more than 300 miles outside of where she has worked and lived for so many decades?

189 So, Tuesdays and Thursdays it's fiscal conservative Ace. See ya next Tuesday.

/I kid
(kinda)

190 She took Obama's nuts out of her mouth long enough to write an article. Amazing.

191 Wow, its like she read my mind. Unfortunately, she's a bit late to the party. Pragmatism is nice and all but whats the point when you lose your ideals over time? That is not compromise but a slow surrender. I officially left the gop 7 years ago, I lean libertarian on some issues, conservative on others and I'd rather see tea party folks in there than establishment anything.

192 "From Hot Air, where Allah's round-up is mostly about Sarah Palin's apparently likely presidential bid."

Yeah, Allah's really got a thing for Sarah, doesn't he?  Anybody ever see Allah and Charles Johnson at the same place and time?  . . .  Just wondering.

193 160 Riddle me this:

How old is the dust on Ms. Noonan's cooter?

Posted by: Mr. Owl at September 17, 2010 01:57 AM (BP6Z1)

There's no dust on Huma's.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

194 I know Sarah Palin is a force to be reckoned with, but I don't think she can win a national election. Not unless Independents start liking her a lot better. I think people are hoping that Obama fatigue will make the difference, but I would not be so sure about that. Of course anything can happen.

As for small government vs large government, I think there is something of a disconnect between what people say they want and what they expect. After all when Reagan left office government was bigger than it was when he got there and he was a conservative. And when Bush tried to reform social security and make even a small part of it private, people were not interested. I think that if you ask them if the government is spending too much money most people say yes, but if you ask them if they want to give something up...they say no.

195 No, seriously, I did need that crystalized for me. Maybe I had gotten a little too wrapped up in standard thinking.

Ace I know you don't always read the responses in your columns but I posted essentially the same thing in a thread a while back when you are waxing poetic on the "Purity Republicans", the Tea Party, and the primary attacks on RINOs.

My response was that if the Republican Leadership was looking for someone to blame for the surge of the Tea Party they need look no further than themselves.

After the 2008 debacle did the Republican leadership swallow their "moderate" ways and say mea culpas and say "we have learned out lessons, no more crossing the aisle and we will fix the primary rules".  No, their first thing out the gate was "we are going on a nationwide big tent tour" to make out Party more open to all. I wanted to scream and spit.

When the communist Party rammed everything through the people just got fed up and seeing how the Republicans were responding they noted that THEY had no representatives in Washington.

The Republican leadership created the Tea Party through their very own actions and if they do not wake up soon we will have no need of a Republican Party.

I see out country at a major crossroads that we have not seen since 1860. This time it is not regional, it is economic direction. There is the Party of the plunderers who wish to use the law to create bread and circuses, there is the Party of the moderates who wish to accommodate them but slow the growth, and then there are the people who are expected to pay for it and suffer.

Those last two are under the "big tent" right now just like the old Democratic Party was under a "big tent" in 1860. That Party split at about the same time the Republican Party was born.

It is about time for the current Republican Party to split. There is no need for a Democrat and a Democrat Lite both.

196 As for small government vs large government, I think there is something of a disconnect between what people say they want and what they expect. After all when Reagan left office government was bigger than it was when he got there and he was a conservative. And when Bush tried to reform social security and make even a small part of it private, people were not interested. I think that if you ask them if the government is spending too much money most people say yes, but if you ask them if they want to give something up...they say no.

Posted by: Terrye at September 17, 2010 06:20 AM (FloBD)

You are not looking at the complete picture. RR had to contend not only with the RINOs, but with a Democratic congress as well. The MFM likes to make out like the President controls the direction but when he has a totally hostile congress there is little he can do.

Bush had a majority in congress for the first 6 years but with the RINOs like McCain et al crossing the aisle he wound up with a hostile Senate. The only programs he could get through were the more liberal programs. Even the desperately needed tax cuts wound up being "temporary". 

As for "asking people" anything everyone knows you can get any answer you want by the way you ask the question or by steering the question to certain segments of the population. If you go into a neighborhood full of Peggy Josephs and ask them to give their largess sure they are going to squawk. If you go into a middle class neighborhood and say we are going to quit funding Peggy Joseph's rent and gas tank and give you a tax break they would dance with joy.

Currently the only real socialist program that is supposed to help the middle class is SS which they pay greatly for and get back less than is put in. 

So if you question people, first ask the ones who are actually paying, then frame the question correctly.

197 I see out country at a major crossroads that we have not seen since 1860. This time it is not regional, it is economic direction.

More than that: economic direction has been setting the tone for political and social direction for some time now, and vice versa.  The envy pimps with their class warfare shit, the race pimps with their "Whitey keepin ya down: shit, the UN/Global warming climate change Global Climate Disruption shit, etc., all have at the core of their strategies the control of populations using the purse.  Likewise, the educationists and their fellow travellers have so stupidified our population that economic setbacks are assaults on one's self esteem and therefore someone else's fault; ergo, somebody owes me sumpthin'. 

Like 1860, we have at hand a clash of values.  In 1860 it was federal control over the states, a battle which the feds won handily.  Now it's federal control over the people at stake.  Also like 1860, the conflict is dressed up in a moral costume, because the actual bitch under the make-up is too ugly for even the worst loser to take to the prom.

198

Leftists, 2001-08: "The Republican leadership (Bush, Lott, Armey, McConnell, Specter, Bennett) sucks, is corrupt, is out of touch, is immoral, is driving this country to bankruptcy."

Conservatives, 2008-10: "We agree!"

Leftists, 2008-10: "Extremists! Listen to the enlightened elders of your party!"

And fwiw, I was saying it long before 2008.

199 Currently the only real socialist program that is supposed to help the middle class is SS which they pay greatly for and get back less than is put in.

It is socialist, I am middle class, and I've been for shitcanning this generational thieving Ponzi scheme since I drew my first paycheck.  Ain't it grand that 15% or so of my income is stolen with no recompense?  While we're a single income family with 3.5 kids?  (Yes, the employer match is my money.  Simple rule of economics-your employer doesn't give a fuck to whom they are writing the check, only that they are writing the check.)  We're the exception today:  we live very, very frugally, and get my on the traditional model, but not without occasional difficulties I can assure you.  I could really use that 15% for, oh I don't know, maybe saving for retirement?

200

George W. Bush, POTUS, 2001-2009; IQ: 100

Barack Hussein Obama, POTUS, 2009-2013; IQ: 95

Sarah Palain, POTUS, 2013-2021; IQ: 90

President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho can't be too far behind.

201 Look at it this way--1 in 7 Americans now live in "poverty"  (defined I guess as having only one car, one cell phone, and 36 available TV channels).  But it's worse than that, of course.  Try buying vegetables lately?  I'd venture to say we've had a doubling of fresh veggie prices in the last 18 mos. primarily because the fucking government shut off the water to the Central Valley in CA.  Gas has likewise gone up, and while its rise is roughly in proportion to inflation, take home pay has stagnated due to tax increases.  More and more of a person's paycheck is going to subsistence items, and people wonder why flat screen TV sales, hotel room rentals, airline ticket sales, etc. are off.  We often talk about tax policy influence on the supply side, but where it's getting hammered now is on the demand side.

This is control:  attempted behavior modification.  Look at the $1.00 per pack increase on smokes that was supposed to help fund SCHIP.  Have you heard a thing about SCHIP since?  No.  But they've managed to take a shitload of the people's money out of circulation for no reason other than control.  They are destroying living standards and wonder why we're pissed.

202

"Currently the only real socialist program that is supposed to help the middle class is SS which they pay greatly for and get back less than is put in."

Men get back less than they contribute. Women, who live almost twice as long post-65 as men do, get back more. For some reason NOW has never mentioned that.

203 Men get back less than they contribute. Women, who live almost twice as long post-65 as men do, get back more.

Nope.  It's generational.  The generation dying in their 80s right now got moderate returns on what they put in.  They did OK.  Boomers are breaking even.  If you're under 50 right now, you're well into negative ROI territory.

204 because the actual bitch under the make-up is too ugly for even the worst loser to take to the prom.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 17, 2010 06:58 AM (WUpAX)

LOL, I like that one Herr, and Good Morning.

205 Fox panel talking about Tea party and extremism and hot babe says that.

206 We got your 36"... right here!

207 Is it morning Vic?  Hell I've been up all night.  Damn kids came down with something and thought it was so grand they should share it with me.  I've been fetching tylenol and ice water for the munchkins all night, but at least I feel like 20 lbs. of sphincter squeezins.  The only one that hasn't gotten it is Frau and her accompanying remora.

But then, I'm on this side of the grass, so while I can bitch about anything, it's not too bad a morning, I suppose.

208 There seems to have been a major rehabilitation of the reputation of the Tea Parties in the last few days.  I think we're moving into one of the later stages of media grief, from the 'RACIST!' stage and into the 'Gee, It WOULD Be Nice to Have Responsible Government' Stage.

Basically, they're seeing who's likely to be in charge after November and they're trying to get on their good side.

209 If you paid into SS the max, or near the max, for a substantial portion of your career you will NEVER get back the amount that was put in regardless of sex and age unless you to be greater than 100.

Keep in mind that even though you quit paying in, your employer still has to pay.

I paid in the max, or near the max, for the last 20 years I was employed. My father died at age 62 from a heart attack. I am nearing 62 and have already had one heart attack. I can't draw SS until 65 and so I doubt if I will ever see a damn penny of it.

210 Speaking of control, check this out regarding extending the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003:

Pelosi said the nation cannot afford to extend tax cuts for top earners. [They are discussing a "middle class" tax cut.--ed.]

"I see no justification for going into debt to foreign countries to underwrite and subsidize tax cuts for the wealthiest people in America," Pelosi said.

Making all the tax cuts permanent would add about $3.9 trillion to the national debt over the next decade, according to congressional estimates. Obama's plan would cost a little more than $3 trillion over the same period.

So what we have here is A) it will "add to the deficit", unlike teaching African guys to wash their junk after fucking a howler monkey, B)Obama's plan will "save" 900 billion dollars over the next ten years by nailing the rich, ignoring that the large middle pays the bulk of the taxes, and C) Nancy Pelosi opened her cocksucker and inanity dribbled out.

It's got it all:  class warfare, denial of responsibility for spending, the "concern" meme about the debt, and a retard.  It's a perfect glimpse of our current situation.

211 I think we're moving into one of the later stages of media grief, from the 'RACIST!' stage and into the 'Gee, It WOULD Be Nice to Have Responsible Government' Stage.

You wouldn't know that from F&F this morning, they had a hawt babe in a short dress on the couch, a Republican from NY, and a radio turd.

The hawt babe was the perfect commie party shill. To her the Tea Party was the same as the big L liberatrian party, they were extremists who wanted to get rid of everything in government. To the radio turd they were upsetting the Republican establishment and going to cause a loss of the Senate (gee where have I heard that before), and the only one defending them was the Republican from NY. Gee, you tink F&F would have though he would take a more RINO appraoch and nobody would defend them?

Instead it was 2/3 attack.

212 Hess, sorry to here about all the illness, hope everyone gets well soon.

213

"The generation dying in their 80s right now got moderate returns on what they put in.  They did OK.  Boomers are breaking even.  If you're under 50 right now, you're well into negative ROI territory."

Well there's that, too. But for any given generation the women will get a higher return than the men, because they'll be collecting for 1.5-2 times as many years. They get a better return on Medicare, too, and for the same reason.

 

214 If you paid into SS the max, or near the max, for a substantial portion of your career you will NEVER get back the amount that was put in regardless of sex and age unless you to be greater than 100.

Yep, and that's for your age class.  Step back 20 years and you're dicked even harder.  The rosy scenario put out by the gubmint is that SS goes tits up in 2037.  I become eligible for benefits under current law in, uh, 2037.  Reminds me of how they kept moving the goal posts on the drinking age when I was a kid.  (At the ages of 14, 15, and 17, I was always 4 years away from being able to buy a beer).

But at least they hamper your ability to provide for your own retirement, and that's by design.  A people responsible for themselves are hard to control.

215 As the great Eric Hofer had said, it is not like a yard stick with Republicans at one end and Democrats at the other. It more like a bobby pin with them both at the same end and we (conservatives) are in the middle.

of course I paraphrase his philosophy but the inner truth is timeless.
John

216 Hey Vic, you can't collect your full Soc. Sec. until you're 66. Actually you can sign up for it right now, can't you? Tou'll get a lower amount than your max but you'll get paid every month. Or I believe if you can prove a disibility I think you can get your max right now.

217 wow, I wasn't even being sarcastic, I did find that column helpful in reminding me of what I actually believe.

Obvious, yeah, but as Pope, I think, said of oft-repeated wisdom, "oft stated but never so well said"

Posted by: ace at September 17, 2010 01:16 AM (KUUXH)

You got a law degree, right?
Why is it all the supposedly super smart well educated people are as dumb as a bag of fuckin' hammers?

Not that YOU are as dumb as a bag of hammers of course...goes without sayin' I'm not talking about our favorite Ewok...I meant all of those OTHER supposedly super smart well educated people...

Welcome to the dark side.  We have cookies!

218 If any republican sons of bitches at the leadership level want to know what the actual nexus of the tea party was, it revolved around people from both political bents who were alarmed by our laws being written by lobbyists and congressional aides who were bought and paid for by moneyed interests, writing legislation that steals our yet to be collected taxes to fund their political piracy and graft.
Even more alarming is the persistent regulation from bureaucrats that criminalizes us without any actual law being written.
People don't understand that we, outside public employment and power, are beholden to every dollar they put into their pockets and their cronies pockets.
It is essentially slavery and what we get from leadership and the press is the constant screaming of, Shut Up You Racist Human Breeding Machine Changing The Climate Mother Fucker!

219 But for any given generation the women will get a higher return than the men, because they'll be collecting for 1.5-2 times as many years. They get a better return on Medicare, too, and for the same reason.

Higher return, yeah.  Absolute dollars they're not that expensive because they paid in less.  They made less, so get lower benefits. 

And Medicare is a worse fuckup than SS.  Light Bulb Johnson, may he burn in hell amongst a pile of urine soaked tires, at least told the truth when he spoke of "cost shifting" from Medicare patients to everybody else.  Medicare and Medicaid pay well below cost to health care providers, which is why it costs you 1400 bucks to walk into the ER.  In some hsopitals, Medicare and Medicaid make up half or more of total revenue, meaning they are far more than half of the patient load.  If half of your sales are money losers, you have no choice but to royally fuck the other half or you lock the doors.  But at least we have Obamacare.

Solution?  Shitcan them and go back to a cash and insurance system.  (Not HMOs or PPOs or other bullshit where your insurance company cuts a deal with the provider.  Insurance, as in insuring against risk instead of inevitability.)

220 Why is it all the supposedly super smart well educated people are as dumb as a bag of fuckin' hammers?

As I like to say to such people:  "I am unencumbered by your education".  It's true way too often.

221 Actually you can sign up for it right now, can't you? Tou'll get a lower amount than your max but you'll get paid every month.

When I retired I elected for a "modified SS" payout of my cash balance program. In that program I collect a large amount of my cash balance payments until age 65 when I will be eligible for SS. My cash balance payment will go down by the same amount my SS pays out.

I did that to get more of my money from that program which like all "tax amortizations" is based on living until age 80.

I can not change that program now half-way through the thing.

222 Damn, Vic.  You live in the fucking Soviet Union:

Rock Hill officials plan to turn off utility taps of county residents who refuse annexation by today's noon deadline despite being asked for an extension, city officials confirmed Tuesday.

Starting Monday the city plans to phase out service to residents who do not agree to annexation. Those who agree to annexation will not be affected, city officials said.

Nice life you have there.  Be a shame if anything happened to it.

223

If it wasn't for Palin to bash and MegaButt McCain to drool over, AP wouldn't have anything to do at HotAir....

CC

224 "I am unencumbered by your education".

Great stuff that.
Too true.
When I was a young buck a pompous preacher asked me what I did as a living and I told him I was  machinist and toolmaker. He said he did that when he was in high school and it was such a filthy job, getting all that oil on your clothes, and he was glad he was educated and didn't have to do manual labor anymore.
When I replied that I didn't get filthy with oil because I was more intelligent than the oil and simply stayed out of its way, he never spoke to me again.

225 Yeah Herr, I posted that yesterday (or day before?) in my morning news segment. They need to consult their lawyers because they are going to get an ass raping. There are 3 ways for a city to annex property into the city limits in SC, and under the table deals with the developer w/o deed covenants are not one of those three. In addition, by routing water and offering services for payment they have negotiated a contract with those people.

Sure they can break the contract, but not without penalty for damages. What they are attempting to do is pure extortion. The residents should hire a lawyer and a well driller. The cost of the well can be "damages" and they WOULD get it + all the other things that go along with it.

Anyway; Time for the morning walk back later

226 I was  machinist and toolmaker. He said he did that when he was in high school and it was such a filthy job

I'd kill to have your skill set.  I could embark out some out and out destruction!  With my son, who's now 6, I seriously question whether a college education is the way to go for him or any young man.  Plumbers and machinists and electricians make damn fine livings, they provide a valuable service, and like in any other field if you have some initiative you can in fact get filthy fucking rich with your own shop.  One of the reasons we homeschool is that we think it really is more important to know how to write a sonnet and to be able to distinguish between Rachmaninoff and Shostakovich than it is to learn all about Al Gore's latest movie, condoms, self-esteem, and how to roll a doobie, so even if they did teach that in college anymore, the need to attend is highly questionable.  A plumber with 2 years of accounting at community college is light years ahead of someone with a BA in Biz Admin or a BS in humanities.

227 What they are attempting to do is pure extortion. The residents should hire a lawyer and a well driller.

If it were me, I'd stand by the tap with a shotgun and ask them if they really intend to turn my water off.  This is beyond extortion and has become pure violence.  Fucking with people's sanitation is an act of war.  That's why we bomb water treatment plants on the first night.

228 I don't get it.

229 Peggy Noonan is an easy enough target, but I'd rather have her on our side than not -- this is a genuinely good column that, as Ace says, crystallizes something crucial AND TRUE about the intellectual orientation of the Tea Party revolt.  I'm willing to give the woman credit for returning to the fold.

Remember kiddies: Prodigal Son.  Keep remembering the Prodigal Son.  It's how Jesus rolled, it's how we in the Conservative/TP movement are gonna have to roll to pick up all those people who fooled themselves into voting Obama or staying home the last two times.  Let's welcome them back instead of kidney-punching them once they admit they were wrong.

230 Remember kiddies: Prodigal Son.

Sweet.  I'll continue to play the role of the older brother.

231 RINO seaso still open, few tickets left to be filled, get yours before they are all gone.

What do you think Castle was saying to Obummer and Biden?

232

 Some pretty toxic comments here.

You know what's a great way to grow the cause?  Ripping into people who are later seeing the light than you are.  Humiliation is the number one conversion tool.  It's true.  As a Mormon I should know--my church's explosive growth is totally premised on every time someone gets baptized a Mormon we stand up in church and tell everyone what a jackass they are.  Man, people love that.

You know how only 40% something percent voted for McCain but not like 50% something percent are saying they will vote Republican?  I hope those 10% fuckers who changed their minds in our favor die.  Or at least I hope they stay home and don't vote for us, the pigs.  I better not see them around the voting booths or I'll give them a piece of my mind.

HOT: holding paper.

NOT: making sure the Constitution is worth the paper it's written on.

HOT: Simon-pure, never tarnished, me and my three buddies talk radio and internet conservatism.

NOT: Ballot box conservatism.

HOT: Barry Goldwater.

NOT: Ronald Reagan.

233 >>I'm willing to give the woman credit for returning to the fold. I doubt she has. Peggy has always struck me as a front runner who is more interested in fancy prose well delivered than a serious policy person. What she stated in her column is so glaringly obvious and so many of us have been saying it for so long in our less than Peggy prose that only a retard would view it as an epiphany. In fact, as a typical Beltway hump she has been part of the problem far longer than she has been part of the solution. If more of her type had been honest all along about what Conservatives want instead of going along with the Beltway CV that we are all a bunch or racist mouth breathers the Tea Party never would have been necessary.

234

One of the reasons we homeschool is that we think it really is more important to know how to write a sonnet and to be able to distinguish between Rachmaninoff and Shostakovich than it is to learn all about Al Gore's latest movie, condoms, self-esteem, and how to roll a doobie

I love the smell of child abuse in the morning.  No, really.  I think if your kid doesn't know how to roll doobies, they can use a handicapped placard?

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I just re-read my rant in in 237.  Maybe I should have spellchecked it before I hit 'post'.

235 It was a pretty great rant, Emperor.  Agree completely.

236 If Sarah Palin endorses Sarah Palin, she wins.

237

Liking Sarah Palin is not the litmus test of any conservatism worth its salt.

I don't like her, not as a potential President.  Deal.

238 Damn! The pop that was produced when Peggy finally pulled her head out of her ass must have sounded like a sonic boom.

239 One of the reasons we homeschool is that we think it really is more important to know how to write a sonnet and to be able to distinguish between Rachmaninoff and Shostakovich than it is to learn all about Al Gore's latest movie, condoms, self-esteem, and how to roll a doobie, so even if they did teach that in college anymore, the need to attend is highly questionable.

I agree 100% and I see homeschooling as the way to go if you can afford it and the State you live in allows you teach it correctly.

Also, I have been saying for a long time that college is not the way to go for most people because the cost now is far above the return. That goes double for people who take stupid courses like poly science and really 90% of the "liberal arts".

240 As a Mormon I should know--my church's explosive growth is totally premised on every time someone gets baptized a Mormon we stand up in church and tell everyone what a jackass they are.  Man, people love that.

I though it was the underwear.

_{^{And thus, the child abuse comment is repaid.}}

241 Peggy Noonan is an easy enough target, but I'd rather have her on our side than not

I give her credit for this article. But the verdict is still out on her. One column after years of BS does not make for a total conversion.

242 Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 17, 2010 08:40 AM (Aw0+T)

She jumped ship and swam for the Party Yacht with the "Cool crowd" while mocking the workers who stay behind to man the ship.  
Problem for her is that yacht was captained by a bunch of spoiled brat rich kids who thought the titanic was just a great movie.
And now shes thinks she's gonna tell the workers how to run a ship?
Have fun with the sharks!

243 Noonan: Still non-relevant and living off of glory days past.  Back in August of 1944, certain Parisian women adopted a new hairstyle.  Just sayin' 

244 Hang on Peggy I'm still pulling these daggers out of my back.

245 Also, I have been saying for a long time that college is not the way to go for most people because the cost now is far above the return.

Thing is, it would be the way to go if they taught anything.  Experts in Medieval French Literature are valuable to a society.  So are Classicists, and composers, and theologians.

Then there are the trade schools:  engineering, chemistry, accountancy, and the like.

We have no need for degrees in "marketing", educationism, Racial Studies, Society and the Surly Split-tail, and the other garbage that passes for "education".  And of course, even a freshman chemistry major has to take "Exploring Your Feminine Side One Vibrator At A Time" as a Gen-Ed class anymore.  It's a waste.

246 Back in August of 1944, certain Parisian women adopted a new hairstyle.

The Jews would hold on to long hair when you were trying to stuff them in the cattle car, so there were practical reasons for that.

247 Damn Herr, you are on a roll this morning. lack of sleep must agree with you.

248 Could you imagine their reaction on Wednesday morning, November 7, 2012 if Sarah Palin were elected?

I lie awake at night imagining that.  It makes me feel warm and tingly all over.

I'm not kidding.

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250 Damn Herr, you are on a roll this morning. lack of sleep must agree with you.

Sleep deprivation.  Is there anything it can't do?

I'm about ready to crap out for a while.  I at least have to go into the office this afternoon and show the flag.

251 I refuse to believe Peggy Noonan wrote that.  If I fall for this gag next you are going to tell me that today's guest host for Limbaugh is Joey Behar.

252 I'm about ready to crap out for a while.  I at least have to go into the office this afternoon and show the flag.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 17, 2010 09:15 AM (WUpAX)

Damn got to work too. Well, good luck.

253

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 17, 2010 09:05 AM (WUpAX)

Vic says you're onna roll; maybe I'm too dense to get "it."

I was referring to the "collaborator" hairsyle that debuted after Paris' liberation in August, 1944.  Jews being stuffed in cattle cars wasn't happening there, then.

Maybe I'm too literal.

254 Jews being stuffed in cattle cars wasn't happening there, then.

I'll be damned if I'll ever let facts get in the way of hating the French.

255 I'll be damned if I'll ever let facts get in the way of hating the French.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 17, 2010 09:25 AM (WUpAX)

Heh.  Completely agree with that statement.

256 I think a dim bulb may have finally flickered on momentarily in the seldom-used 99% of Peggy's mind.

257 Didja see the "vulgarity" comment Noonan couldn't resist at the end.  She's the one who said Sarah Palin was vulgar.  Noonan can't let this part go.  She now the tea party as authentic and important but still ... vulgar.

Well, then I'm vulgar.  Bring in the clowns, the kooks, and the guys in Uncle Sam costumes.  I've had far enough of the neatly creased pants of our vaunted leader.

258 You know what's a great way to grow the cause?  Ripping into people who are later seeing the light than you are.

Dude.

Peggy Noonan isn't some low-information voter that I'm trying to convert.

She's supposedly a political analyst and conservative opinion leader. One who just happened to fall in love with Barack Obama a couple of years back.

Me mocking her isn't going to lose us any votes, you know?

What's she going to do, log on to Ace of Spade, read some smartass comments by some guy who calls himself "Warden" and decide she's not on the team any more?

259

I though it was the underwear.

The sources of our explosive growth are underwear, humiliating converts, and a fanatical devotion to the Pope.

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Peggy Noonan jumped ship . . . still non-relevant . . . daggers in back, blah, blah, blah.

And you know what?  TJ sucks, but the Declaration of Independence still has its good points.  I don't think Ace was saying we needed to carve Noonan's wrinkled mug into Mt. Rushmore based on this one column.  I think he was saying that it was a good column that made a good point.  Remember that whole thing about being a happy warrior?  Ronald Reagan?  There's someone whose face *should* be on Mt. Rushmore and he didn't get where he was by sphincter-puckering abuse of anyone who got on his bandwagon a little late. 

260

I believe the prodigal son comparison is offbase here. The prodigal son recognized his mistake, admitted it, and humbly asked to become his father's servant. Here we have a person who I believe to date has only written the standard establishment Republican, "Gee, this Obama chap isn't quite what we thought he was" piece. No admittance of her error, no forgiveness requested. She may come around, and if so she should be welcomed back into the fold but should not be trusted until she proves herself. On this I am willing to forgive her, but I will never forget.

And as far as forgiveness is concerned, I cut Joe Sixpack a whole lot more slack than I cut Noonan and similar Republicans. Joe Sixpack got suckered by a con; Noonan and the rest were willingly seduced.

261 >>There's someone whose face *should* be on Mt. Rushmore and he didn't get where he was by sphincter-puckering abuse of anyone who got on his bandwagon a little late. Yeah, except Conservatism isn't a bandwagon, it's a belief in the founding principles of this country and Noonan was supposedly a leader in that cause until she decided to jump ship and join with the other Beltway humps and go along with the Kool Kidz. She's welcome to return to the fold but don't expect me to forget the scorn and derision she heaped on us troglodytes for the last few years. If she can't withstand the withering assault of a bunch of morons she's not much of a leader anyway. Oh an Reagan took shots at the donks all the time, he just did it with a smile. I'm smiling on the inside.

262

 I don't trust her.

So what?  Or did I miss the part where Ace asked you to accept Noonan as your Rightly Guided Caliph?

No, the facts are pretty simple here.

1.  Noonan writes column extolling the Tea Party and lamenting our country's drift towards apocalyptic levels of debt and spending.

2.  Ace says he reads the column and it really gave him a good perspective on the tea party and what was at stake in this election.

3.  Hundreds of comments heaping abuse on Noonan.

Way to build a winning coalition, fellas. 

263

No, the facts are pretty simple here.

1.  Noonan writes column extolling the Tea Party and lamenting our country's drift towards apocalyptic levels of debt and spending.

2.  Ace says he reads the column and it really gave him a good perspective on the tea party and what was at stake in this election.

3.  Hundreds of comments heaping abuse on Noonan.

Way to build a winning coalition, fellas. 

No, you left out a few "facts," chump.

Fact Zero would be "Peggy Noonan spends several years betraying everything that could be described as fiscal conservatism, preferring instead to throw her lot in with David Brooks and the rest of the Obama-fellating RINOs and talks about how attractive Obama is, while ridiculing small-government, free-market conservatives." 

Here's a taste of Noonan's swooning.  Fuck  her. 

264 To Reagan, Noonan was an employee, not an inspiration or a leader. I'm willing to have her on board again on the same basis.

265

When Noonan was being a chump, did you excuse her because of what she'd done before?  I didn't.  I'm a what have you done for me lately guy.

Same principle applies now.  Consistency is not just a river in Egypt.

266

"Fact Zero would be "Peggy Noonan spends several years betraying everything that could be described as fiscal conservatism"

 

So did millions of voters.  Am I outraged that they are now changing their minds?  Not. So. Much. 

Success: I'm OK with it.

267 Basically, they're seeing who's likely to be in charge after November and they're trying to get on their good side. Posted by: nickless at September 17, 2010 07:33 AM (MMC8r) Nah.. it's who they can sacrifice.

268 In my book, the only good Noonan is Danny Noonan.

269 Wow Peggy, nice way to express the concept that the country has been drifting too far to the left  for a long time and we are about to effect a correction. You used lots of words. Good for you.

Punditry itself is in danger when effete snobs afflicted with dementia are permitted to continue practicing the craft.

270 Well, it only took her oh...20 years to figure out what's been happening.  That's not so bad considering the Democrats still haven't figured it out.

271 Jeff B, Emperor: I'm guessing that Ace was using very very dry sarcasm when he said he appreciated having that concept crystallized for him by Noonan.

I'd  bet on it, actually.

272 Give Peggy some credit for being on target.. Who knows, it might happen again.

273 Thanks, but no thanks, Peggy. Noonan took speeches written in Reagan's own hand and made them into memorably crafted epics of fine rhetoric. It was Ronald Reagan's patronage that made Peggy Noonan who she was. She parlayed that into a fine writing career and a career as a conservative pundit. She betrayed everything Ronald Reagan spent thirty years in the field working his butt off for so she could sit around the Algonquin Table and be accepted by the Cool Kids. She tittered at Sarah Palin and called the Alaska Governor "vulgar". Then she took her Thirty Pieces of Silver and went on with life. As someone above wrote: fuck her.

274 Fuck Peggy Noonan. 

275 "I don't like her, not as a potential President.  Deal."

Slow acceptance of the inevitable is a process.

276 "How come even when Republicans are in charge, even when they're dominant, government has always gotten larger and more expensive?"

We need to have lunch, Peggy. Soon.

277 Bring the charts, Glenn!

278

Ms. Noonan only deserves to live out the remainder of her life in a pain amplification chamber.

 

279 I piss on Peg.

280 I agree, this is hit the floor comatose material.  Noonan and grey matter seemed so 'oil and water'. 

281 No pudding for you, Noonan, TWO years! You come back in two years and maybe you get pudding.

282 No! Seriously? I did need that crystalized for me. Maybe I had gotten a little too wrapped up in "standard" "thinking".

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