1 I don't care about no mileage since Obama buys my gas

2 Of course they don't care, DiT.  Less people to support on Obamacare and all.

The rules will cost consumers an estimated $434 extra per vehicle in the 2012 model year and $926 per vehicle by 2016, the government said. But the heads of the Transportation Department and Environmental Protection Agency said car owners would save more than $3,000 over the lives of their vehicles through better gas mileage."

$3,000?  Not when they push the price of oil through the stratosphere.

3 Legislate my ride out of existence?  Confiscate it more likely.  I'm already driving a '92 and loving every minute of it!  They have no idea how long I hold on to a car.

4 Put strict CAFE standards on limos and see how fast they run in to attach exemptions to it

5 Find a mechanic-for-life.

They haven't outlawed "old cars" yet. And, if they did, they would be causing a deep shift towards "urban morons only."

6 Levin also made another great point (I think it's in his book as well): Increasing MPG does not make drivers save gasoline; it just encourages them to drive more while spending the same amount on fuel.  So, more time on the road = higher probability of an accident.

7 Every time I see one of the Mini Coopers or VW Bugs on the road, I wonder how people can trust their lives to them.  Not that my SUV would be that good in a crash with a semi, but, I might survive a crash with a pickup.  I see bumpers on those things that are level with windshields on little cars.

8 Holy crap.

This is insane!

I got a daughter on the way and two sons that drive NOW!

9 #6  Increasing MPG does not make drivers save gasoline; it just encourages them to drive more while spending the same amount on fuel.  So, more time on the road = higher probability of an accident.

Yes, yes, yes!

10 But won't these little cars capsize?

11 The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save lives.

Where'd you ever get that idea from?  Dems never do anything to save lives, since that just drives up health care costs.  Dead people are cheaper to insure and their voting skews almost exclusively Demoncrat.  It's a win-win from the left's point of view.

12 8 I got a daughter on the way and two sons that drive NOW!

You do?  Congrats, Mortis.

Take the advice of Al and find yourself a mech for life.

13 10 But won't these little cars capsize?

Only islands do, mpfs.

14

You mean I have a really good chance of driving the last of the V-8 interceptors?

When I was a kid watching the Road Warrior, I never thought that it might actually come true in my lifetime. Hell two years ago I never dreamed it may come true in my lifetime.

15 Would you rather have tires that save you a out 25 dollars a year in gas, or tires that stop when you want them to? The Gov't and car companies are already making this choice for you.

16 Semi OT: Oil is now $85/barrel, a level not seen since the collapse of the commodities bubble. Someone's not buying Obama's drilling BS.

17 They are killing us with their rules. The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save lives.

God love you wingnuts, let me put you some fucking knowledge.

Sure more people die in crashes but a jillion, literally a jillion people will die if we don't do something about Global Warming. Or Climate Change, whatever they call it now.

And a jillion people saved is a Big Fucking Deal.

18 Remember: Al Gore, James Cameron, Barack Obama, etc will continue to be chauffeured around in large SUV's--when they're not jetting around the world.

Remember medieval sumptuary laws? The Road to Serfdom, indeed.

19 This is why my administration will require that all American vehicles in the future to be made out of balloons.

20 Believe me, you guys are getting all worked up over nothing.

21 I'll think I'll be buying my new car very soon.

22 I don't think this is a big f'in deal because I don't think we will be buying new cars in 6 years. It will be a little difficult to buy that 1million dollar car after massive inflation  kicks in.

23

DiT, you dont understand ,in the day we sweat it out in the streets of a runaway American Dream
At night we ride through mansions of glory in suicide machines.

Also,  the highways are jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive.
Everybodys out on the run tonight but there's no place left to hide.


And thats just on the D.C. beltways during rush hour.

24 I can't drive 55.

Literally. My anemic 1.2L Obama Motors Shitbox taps out at 47 mph.

25

I'll think I'll be buying my new car very soon.

Me too, in Cuba!!  They're still driving American cars from the 1940s and 50s!!  Get my Candian cousin's passport and head to Havana, bet I could find a mechanic for life that would be happy to stow in the car instead of hitting a raft in shark infested water to escape to Florida.

26 Here ya go.  Two modern, well engineered vehicles.  The only difference is the size.  http://bit.ly/bzpA9N

27 #26  Literally. My anemic 1.2L Obama Motors Shitbox taps out at 47 10 mph.

FIFY, Mr. Hagar.

28 blazer, heh.

29 Have you seen that little pod car that GM is developing?At least cleanup after an accident will be easy.

30 I can see the mechanic and rebuild business benefitting nicely from this.

31 "Red Barchetta" by Rush anyone?

32 They haven't outlawed "old cars" yet. And, if they did, they would be causing a deep shift towards "urban morons only."

The annual tailpipe emissions checks are enough to crush out any carburetor-fed vehicles already.  The outlawing of "non-green" old cars is coming, and soon.

In Dallas, the EPA keeps telling city leaders that their air is not clean enough

Dallas leaders choose to dilute their numbers by including surrounding Rural counties, even if they don't share an actual, physical border with them, by claiming that most of the rural county residents commute to the big city anyway.

We have been fighting this for years.  What absolute horseshit.

33 1987 called, it wants its car back!

34

Get the damn government out of my life and leave me alone.

I'm not in a very good mood after spending hours on my 1040 and I'm still not done. Then comes the state forms to fill out and more money to throw down a rat hole. Just shoot me.

35 Anyway so what if more people die including children?People are ruing the plantet anyway aren't they??

36 I don't see a problem with dying in a small car.

37 The rules we thought, when they initiated them, were intended to save lives.

With all due respect, I never bought that crap for a second.

38

Get my Candian cousin's passport and head to Havana

Just grow a mullett, the mullett is accepted world wide as a canadian passport.

39 Also, if these new cars are using 30% less fuel, that means 30% less tax revenue for the government.  I'm guessing they'll fix that litle problem too.

40

Hitting Libs in tiny Smart Cars with my huge Hummer grill will be fun.

Bring a squeegee.

41 Or even a big one.

42

Here ya go.  Two modern, well engineered vehicles.  The

Too lazy to get it, but the video of sedans vs "smart" cars is a better one (from about a year ago i think)

43 15 It's more like the Rush song Red Barchetta.....

44
Leftists jerk off dreaming of turning the U.S. into Cuba. And there is no place we can escape to on a floatified '71 Camaro.

45 I just looked up my Jeep.  Gross weight 4,950.  Curb weight 3,648.  What's the difference?

46

Next they will mandate windmills in every yard to generate electricity to run our households. When we go out to eat, we will be fined double the price of any deemed unhealthy food. We will be pulling little red wagons around to save the environment because gas is too expensive. The Twilight Zone is getting more realistic every day. It is scary but that's there motive. Humor, parody, mockery etc. will "punch them down" to use an over-used phrase.

47 Or even in a fast one.

48 Oh, this is good.  From the article:

Each auto company will have a different fuel-efficiency target, based on its mix of vehicles. Automakers that build more small cars will have a higher target than car companies that manufacture a broad range of cars and trucks. For example, passenger cars built by General Motors Co. will need to hit a target of 32.7 mpg in 2012 and increase to 36.9 mpg by 2016. Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, will need to reach passenger car targets of 33.8 mpg in 2012 and ramp up to 38.3 mpg in 2016.

Gee, what a shocka - Obama Motors has a lower standard than Honda!  Nooooo, no politics there, noooo.....

49 33 Oops Hoss already went there.Seriously that song is prophetic.

50 41 Also, if these new cars are using 30% less fuel, that means 30% less tax revenue for the government.  I'm guessing they'll fix that litle problem too.

Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?

51 The mileage tax is being talked about here in Nevada because gas taxes have tanked.  If they can't get there tax one way they will get it another way.

52 So, we're going for a zero-sum here?

All those people saved from terminal cases of "under-insured", all to kill of more people in the highways?

Brilliant!!

/Guinness

53 I'll give up my Tahoe, when they pry your cold, dead Prius from under it.

54 The politicians made short-term mandates for increasing gas mileage that couldn't be engineered via the drive train in a sufficient time.  So the auto makers made lighter cars to meet short-term mandates while working on other ways to meet those same goals.

We're going to see the same repeat in 2015.  Sure, getting a more efficient drive train is market oriented, but when an artificial deadline is created they will have no choice but to once again strip weight off the vehicles that can be used to create a more effective safety cage.

The environmentalists:  Making Gaia more important than you.

55 I just looked up my Jeep.  Gross weight 4,950.  Curb weight 3,648.  What's the difference?

You better think about cutting back on the pastries at Starbucks.

56 I'm really going to buy that gas guzzling V-12 Mercedes Benz I've had my eye on.  Why save the $?  The gov't is gonna take it from me anyway.
Fuck em.

57

Next they will mandate windmills in every yard to generate electricity to run our households.

They shouldn't get on everyone's case about "global warming" then - see the windmills in (Minnesota, I think?) that didn't work half the time because it was to freakin' cold!

58 Curb weight is empty. Gross weight is when it's full of ugly people.

59 Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at April 01, 2010 09:44 PM (otlXg)

That was Oregon

60
Leftists jerk off dreaming of turning the U.S. into Cuba. And there is no place we can escape to on a floatified '71 Camaro.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at April 01, 2010 09:43 PM (Oxen1)

At least Cubans still gets to drive 1950's cars with V-8's and manual transmissions.

No, they want to turn us into something worse than than Cuba. Someplace where we're all driving Le Cars.

Kill me now.

61 62 We'll call you Le Blazer.

62 Never mind, I looked it up.  Curb weight is the vehicle with all the tanks filled, etc.  Gross weight is the maximum weight it will carry.  Guess that means I can put 1300 pounds of crap in it (including myself) and still be okay. 

63 Liberalism has murdered more human beings than all other ideologies or political forces in the history of humanity, combined. Every single leftist out there is bathed and soaked in so much blood that it becomes difficult to distinguish one from another.

Subhuman motherfuckers.

64 The brakes are manufactured to stop safely at that max weight.

65 Oui Oui maybe in Paris.

66 Relax, this is not a big fucking deal

67 Didn't CA have some plan to tax people based on how much they drove because so many people were buying more fuel-efficient cars?

That was Oregon.  It was a pilot study that didn't go anywhere.  Yeah, people didn't take too kindly to having the government install meters in their car that would be able to determine how many miles they drove.

68 I drive a real brick of a dodge ram 1500 cargo van. I can tell people I run it on "alternative fuel." Propane.

69 NO BLOOD FOR OIL!!

70

Le Cars

Yugos too and how bout that new car in India - it's like a model car set my brothers used to get at Spencer's.  ha,ha.  Environmentalists went nuts - we wouldn't want the untouchables in India to be able to drive cars.  Road Runner ACME car kits are coming.

71 #69  That was Oregon.  It was a pilot study that didn't go anywhere.  Yeah, people didn't take too kindly to having the government install meters in their car that would be able to determine how many miles they drove.

There's some hope then, even for the Left Coast.

72 I slap a soldier and still die in a car crash.

73 I just wonder how long it will be before they outlaw 'old' cars or mandate how many a family can own.

74 Sitting on my desk I have my 1040-V voucher form for what I owe the IRS, plus the damn Census form they keep mailing me.  Now I'm reading I better buy a new car soon because the govt is converting everything into econo shit-box deathtraps.  Awesome.

Hey government -- Just. Leave. Me. Alone.

75 @7

I had a Honda S2000 for a few years when I was in Arizona.  Arizona being lifted-truck country, I was often reminded that in an accident I would make contact with the drivetrain under the truck, and not anything designed to actually mitigate the impact.  The weight of either vehicle probably would have been of minimal additional importance.

76 I burn Andre Rison's house down and still die in a car crash.

77 I wonder if some of the statistics are a bit self selecting, with sports cars, being generally driven at higher speeds/risks/stupidity, being more likely to get drivers into fatal accidents vice larger pickups and such that are driven in a more restrained manner. 911s in the hands of dentists come to mind. Most aren't killed by SUV collision, but by over-steer into object.

Case in point about safety, my STI is statistically more safe in an accident than my roommate's Blazer. Doesn't matter if one is unlucky or fails to keep it shiny side up.

78

Is Congress exempt from this too?

If so, it does not matter. Proles are cheap and easily replacable.

79 There's some hope then, even for the Left Coast.

Well, Oregon is the least socialist of the continental west coast states.  Meaning that it is going to spontaneously implode last.

80 If the government REALLY cared about the enviroment and energy independence, it would be wiser to take some weight off of our fighting vehicles. Does an Abrams really need to be 60 tons? Nah, just cut some out! Do F-18s really need two engines? Nope! Imagine how much we could save!

81 The EPA has done more to foster totalitarianism in this country than any other governmental entity, save the judiciary.

82 And yeah this is great too.  Better fuel economy = less gas taxes for the states = states raising taxes other places.  So we get shittier cars, more taxes, and more govt just so Joe Drain-on-society can get more "free" shit and these criminals in DC can get reelected.

I need to go cool down.

83 http://preview.tinyurl.com/cd8hqw

84
Another FDR idea that will be coming back is gas rationing. It's only fair that everyone get an equal amount of gas per week...like 2 gallons. Ride your bicycles, bitches.

85 Fuck you Di! I was the first celebrity to die in a car crash in France.

86 I drive a real brick of a dodge ram 1500 cargo van. I can tell people I run it on "alternative fuel." Propane.

Posted by: fb at April 01, 2010 09:49 PM (Bu9Jo)

I drive a Dodge 1500 SLT Laramie 4X4 Quad Cab with the 5.7 Hemi that gets about 14 city, 19 highway if I'm driving in my underwear.

However it does runs on alternative fuel.

Liberal tears.

87 #81  Well, Oregon is the least socialist of the continental west coast states.  Meaning that it is going to spontaneously implode last.

Did not know that. 

/In the end, there will be only chaos. 

88 Does an Abrams really need to be 60 tons? Nah, just cut some out! Do F-18s really need two engines? Nope! Imagine how much we could save!

don't give them any ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

89 The fact of the matter is that $25 of steel is more protection than $1800 of air bag. And air and water quality has been going up since the 1960's while waste treatment costs have gone down. It's the U.S. that's gonna tip over.

90 82 If the government REALLY cared about the enviroment and energy independence, it would be wiser to take some weight off of our fighting vehicles.

What fighting vehicles?

91 Remember, the Marxist wants to demobilize the population.

92 OOOOOOHHHHH OOOOOOOHHHHHH OOOOOOOHHHHH! Fucking car crash "wrecked" my career.

93 Sorry Hoss, gotta have the classic

94 My new car gets 12-18 mpg and has a curb weight of 6000. Fuck their mileage standards.

95 66  Thanks, mpfs!  I wasn't even thinking of that, but now that you mention it, being able to stop is a major consideration.

96 94
Grace, you really are a selfish bitch. That was my post whore.

97

It's going to be interesting how the leftists mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.

I haven't figured out how that works.

98 It's going to be interesting how the leftists mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.

Someone's gotta go around to your house and make sure you're using less.

99

It's going to be interesting how the leftists mandates to use less of everything is going to equate into more jobs.

I haven't figured out how that works.

Posted by: robtr at April 01, 2010 09:57 PM (fwSHf)

Green jobs, that's how.  Stupid.

100 #99  I haven't figured out how that works.

They don't either.

101 #99  I haven't figured out how that works.

They don't either.

Proctological mathematics?

102 What fighting vehicles?

I thought the IRS needed something to enforce new taxes? *confused*

103 Lightweight MOTORCYCLES got me safely through the last 25+ years, 300,000+ miles. But I'm special.

104

Well, we used to do all the mechanical work on our vehicles, and still do a lot of it -- but the new "rules" about buying parts and crap has seriously put a dent into that.

There's always the buggy; as long as we don't live too far away from work for that.

105 They won't have to come to your house. Smart meters will be operated remotely.

106 AT work some of the younger engineers want to convert an Ariel Atom run on propane - I'm thinking I might let them.

107

Green jobs, that's how.  Stupid.

Posted by: Van Jones at April 01, 2010 09:58 PM (1fanL)

Our Governor Gregoire came out with a study saying the state has 70,000 green jobs now.  10,000 of them were bus drivers and 35,000 were electricians and 10,000 were carpenters. Only 2,600 of the green jobs required the worked to get special training or do anything differently than they did before they became green.

I don't think she really meant for anyone to read the actual study.

108 So idea. Since CAFE is an average for the car maker, doesn't that mean that as luxury autos maintain their weight (or may grow), that the small cars must get much smaller with each iteration of CAFE? That makes the problem worse and worse each time.

109 105 Lightweight MOTORCYCLES got me safely through the last 25+ years, 300,000+ miles. But I'm special.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:00 PM (z8RuR)

Lemme know how that works out for you in my neighborhood, where it's common in the winter to wake up to four feet of snow overnight.

110

I don't think she really meant for anyone to read the actual study.

Since she probably didn't...

111 ktnibai - we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of the male ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their lives.

112 Then Barry O'Bonkers and his Politburo will ride the ZIL-111!!!!

113 113 ktnibai - we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of the male ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their lives.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:04 PM (CPefM)

Been there, junk crunched that. I still don't like to think about it. Oy.

114 Smart meters will be operated remotely.

Someone has to inspect your trash to make sure you didn't put the #6 plastic with the #2 plastic, someone has to inspect your fridge to make sure there isn't any meat or dairy or sugar there, someone has to interview your children to make sure you aren't having a glass of wine more than once or twice a year...

115 There will certainly be plenty of cars being sold then that don't meet the mileage requirements (you know, the ones people actually want to buy).  I can onl imagine wht the 'gas guzzler' tax will be by then.

116

i actually had a clown car like this as my cop car in italy, a fiat punto

i asked the chief of the care bears what the hell they would do if they had to chase a bad guy in one of these

"joseph, why would i chase a stupid car, we have guns.  we shoot like your grampma fucks, almost never, its ugly, but it works"

tony was a god

117 111 Admit to being a socal native, Unclefacts! And can you summon me some of that Scotch & bacon, please? The meteor can strike LaPuente, too.

118 I get carbon credits when I make you peons pull my rickshaws, bitches!

119 I bet this works out as an additional tax on us "breeders" who have more then 2 kids.  I bet Holdren is involved.

120

Am I the only person that gets that "Hulk Smash" feeling whenever I see one of those 'Smart Cars'?  Seriously, I just wanna head butt the damn things and see if I can total it.

They are the only car on the road that I don't worry about when I'm on my motorcycle, I figure between me and the bike we totally out mass them.

I think with the passing of HCR the Dems have to give up the facade of passing laws for our protection and betterment.  It'd be a really funny joke if it wasn't making me so sad.

121

Been there, junk crunched that. I still don't like to think about it. Oy.

same here plus i can add a broadside by a new shiny jaguar, got a shiny new R6 out of it though

if someone even get a speck of dirt on my augusta though, there will be gunplay

122 we had a thread one night wherein we discovered that many of the male ONT posters had put down a motorcycle at one point in their lives.

I did last Fall, for the first time. Broke my arm pretty bad, but I'm back in the saddle again. Way too much fun to give up.

123 Heather - my money is one a spectrometer on your gray water.  Measure your transfats, lipids, sugars, etc - everything except narcotics, that will be protected by a privacy case.

124

Let me ask you something, you dumb motherfucker. Do you realize that these little cars are shorter than the other fucking cars and trucks on the road?

Do you fucking understand what that means, dumbass?

It means you're below the other drivers and when you punch, you're fucking punching up like you're supposed to!

Small cars are good. It's goddamned highway 101. Small cars = up punching. Is there one goddamned professional driver on this fucking blog?

THIS is why the Democrats are kicking your fucking asses.

Jesus. Do I relly need to explain this shit?

125 113 - Yeah, had to put down more than one (they shoot horses, don't they?). Try the brisket, be here all week. No, seriously, folks, just "putting it down" due to cars sudden left turns oncoming, etc, and riding it home still, more than I can remember. It was that guy rushing his rent-a-boy back to Santa Monica Blvd who ran a red light through the intersection that totaled my first road bike. Happened to be riding it at the time.

126 ncj, mine was a brand new Yamaha FJ1200. Had a confused old lady back out in front of me, and I centerpunched her rear door nicely.

bike was a write off. I didn't walk proper for a week.

mmmmmm augusta, what model are you sporting now?

I've been bombing around this season on a vintage XJ1100 with a wiseco 1298 big bore kit in it, terrorizing the area on evening cruises.

127 make sure you aren't having a glass of wine more than once or twice a year...

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 01, 2010 10:06 PM (OkT2m)

The recycle thing is fading. No one cares.

Another tax is more efficient than occasional fines.

128 Heather - my money is one a spectrometer on your gray water.  Measure your transfats, lipids, sugars, etc - everything except narcotics, that will be protected by a privacy case.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 10:09 PM (CPefM)

--Steyn made a great point on the radio the other day: Liberals are all for sexual liberty, because it provides a great distraction whilst robbing people of all their other liberities.

129

Good work Warden.

130

Clown cars will be the norm minus Ronald McDonald. Apparently he is a pedophile or something. What's up with that?

So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?

131 We have got to run down where else he posts so you can go chew his ass there, Warden.

132 well played warden, well played indeed motherfucker.

133

Clown cars will be the norm minus Ronald McDonald. Apparently he is a pedophile or something. What's up with that?

So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (vLwYg)

--Not a pedophile, just a fat and carb pusher.

134 Posted by: Warden at April 01, 2010 10:10 PM (QoR4a)

I'm convinced by your cool, clear logic and dispassionate delivery.  And your honeyed tongue.

135 I dropped a Hayabusa once. In a grass lawn, thankfully.

136 navycopjoe - A real, live MV Augusta, like Ago rode?

137

So, we all carpool in a Chevy Volt?

Posted by: Barbarosa at April 01, 2010 10:12 PM (vLwYg)

sure, as long you don't need to go more than say, 6.3 miles.

138

i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present

all black

it is.........awesome

139

--Not a pedophile, just a fat and carb pusher.

Posted by: HHS Drone at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (Mmw0q)

That's much worse!

140 138 navycopjoe - A real, live MV Augusta, like Ago rode?

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:15 PM (z8RuR)

I can haz 750four SS please?

141 140

i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present

all black

it is.........awesome

Posted by: navycopjoe at April 01, 2010 10:16 PM (gg4j2)

Yeah. You official suck. /jealous

142 ktnxbai- I put down a older honda in road sand coming down Millcreek Canyon (in Utah) at night - the bike caught fire and burned.  The sheriff almost ran me over as I was sitting in the middle of the road watching it burn.  I had been knocked down by a car while sitting at a red light earlier that week.  I kinda gave'em up at that point.

143 XS1100s were teh awesome. What was the first bike someone tried to teach me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.

144 i got a 2010 F4 for my bday/xmas/anniversery/st val present

I thought they stopped building those around 1980?

145 I give you, Giacomo Agostini and MV Agusta!

http://tinyurl.com/y8h7s82

146

I've been bombing around this season on a vintage XJ1100 with a wiseco 1298 big bore kit in it

sweet, i bet you are hitting 150db on it

 I dropped a Hayabusa once. In a grass lawn, thankfully

damn, those things are HEAVY!!

MV Augusta, like Ago rode?

yep!  my wife loves me

147

I thought they stopped building those around 1980?

That's another thing with two engines that didn't need 'em/

148 They don't care.  EVER SEE ANYONE IN CONGRESS IN ANYTHING LESS THAN A MAMMOTH SUV?

149

 What was the first bike someone tried to teach me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.

a massive suzuki 1600, i couldn't get it out of 2nd because it was terrifing me

wound up getting a honda vtr 250 as my first as away we went from there

150 145 XS1100s were teh awesome. What was the first bike someone tried to teach me to ride? Kawi H2. Yeah. OMG.

Posted by: ktnxbai at April 01, 2010 10:19 PM (z8RuR)

XS11s are still monster bikes, mine's the later model XJ1100, same motor, Maxim bodywork and other bits. I had a wiseco 1298 big bore kit with carillo rods, crank by falicon, and some mid 80's GSXR slingshot carbs. In a straight line it's stupidly fast. Doesn't handle worth shit. Well it does handle, if you imagine you were riding say Rosie O'Donnel with under-inflated tires. And in a corner the shaft jack can make it buck hard enough that you wonder if you're going to ride her the full eight seconds. Other than that it's a peach.

151 The exact opposite of that bike buzzes through my neighborhood in the morning -- it is a scooter with two front wheels.  It must be expensive or cool - because the guy riding it is styling an attitude.

152 150  also to add on, i believe they don't even pay for them, they are rentals paid for by the voters

153

So, what happens when you're coasting your Chevy Volt along and after 7 miles it goes kaput? Guaranteed Capitalism will rise to the scene and charge you x amount of $$ to jolt the battery. Or a taxi driver will benefit. Or someone with an entreprenurial spirit.

There will always be someone out there to make a buck which is the American way. We are not bred to be Socialists.

We had major flooding in Phx, Az in 1987. Cars were stalled all over the place due to water rising up to the door handle. Those that had trucks or more able vehicles offered to help the stalled cars but with a price attached. You can't blame them.

154 I have a 1972 Yamaha 250 dirt bike. Can I get in the cool club with that?

155 sweet, i bet you are hitting 150db on it

yeah it has a vintage Kerker 4-1 header and megaphone on it, that may at one time had some baffling and packing in it.

156 156 I have a 1972 Yamaha 250 dirt bike. Can I get in the cool club with that?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:27 PM (Xu6d3)

yz?

157 No problem, Nobama will just lower the maximum speed limit to thirty miles an hour. 

158

 that may at one time had some baffling and packing in it.

lmao

159 134 well played warden, well played indeed motherfucker.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 10:14 PM (erIg9)

I think we've about exhausted teh funnay with the parodies, but I just had to work that one in, you fucking down puncher.

160 Uncle Facts. No it is not a YZ. Just the Enduro.

161 I missed the kerfuffle. Did someguy get the banhammer or just leave on his own accord?

162 Why are the Obamites so hung up on gas mileage standards anyway?  Shouldn't they be concentrating on making sure everybody's tires are properly inflated?  That right there would save us the need of every drilling again.

163 Did someguy get the banhammer or just leave on his own accord?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:34 PM (Xu6d3)

Ace said he banned Warren Bonesteel.  But this is the kinder, gentler Ace, so who knows?

164 Did someguy get the banhammer or just leave on his own accord?

Posted by: Ronster at April 01, 2010 10:34 PM (Xu6d3)

Oops.  Reading comprehension.  someguy won the vote, last I looked, so he's still in.

165 Thanks FUBAR. I haven't seen him aroumd today so was wondering about the poor bastard.

166 I loved my rubber cow BMW, and keeping newer-jap-bike-wanna-be-racers behind me (and a couple other rubber-cow riding pals), whether to the Rock Store or cross back roads to Laguna Seca. Got used to it's ill-handling but predictable manners, ran the stiffest shocks I could get (blew out so many Koni shocks they would just send me a new pair on a regular warranty basis till stepping up to Oleans), kept a wicked inside line and made anybody earn their pass. That and the frying pan tied to the rear fender, a psychological weapon. "you couldn't pass me, even with my tent and a frying pan strapped to the back?".

167

Ace said he banned Warren Bonesteel.  But this is the kinder, gentler Ace, so who knows?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 01, 2010 10:37 PM (1fanL)

Really?

168 But getting great mileage all the while! Had to to cross hiway 50. So long ago... Is there even still an Austin or Ely, Nevada?

169 If the goddamned government were serious about traffic safety, all vehicles weighing less than 3,000 lbs would be banned from the public roadways.

Just a thought.

170 No worries - we'll be 'saving' an extra 4500 people/yr with Obamacare!

The numbers more than offset.

Anyone notice how market conditions did FAR more far faster to drive up the overall gas mileage of vehicles offered? The government, by 2014, will be about 8 years late to the party.

We have many more choices in high MPG vehicles than we did even two years ago.

171 You could have a little pity for us gearheads who came of age during the muscle car era. We were happy campers, all of us thought that it would last forever.

 Cars today (transportation modules, I call them) have all the appeal of a dead tree stump.  Don't care if they are engineered well, there is NO attraction for themselves alone, like the older cars had.

 Been wrenching for 40 years,finally retired,at the right time, looks like.

  However, I AM the proud owner of a brand new 1968 Plymouth Road Runner, and I defy anyone to attempt to deny me that pleasure.

172

Irongrampa.

 Me and the misses still have the 1968 Super Bee she bought new. It is now in pieces. I started to restore it and lost interest. Hope to get back on it someday.

173 What engine does your Road Runner have?

174 Ok grampa iron. there are still cars with musclecar character - my recently acquired 2003 Mustang Cobra is much like the muscle cars of yesteryear. For a 2003, it's relatively low tech (although it is supercharged), and it comes with all of the requisite muscle car squeaks and rattles.

I simply adore it.

Bigass V-8s that pump out oodles of torque and get shitty gas mileage, all while putting sweet, sweet aroma of mostly burnt fuel.

Ahhhhhhh...

175 Ronster, you need to restore that car--can't think of a more rewarding hobby, albeit expensive.  It's taken me 6 years, but it's such a trip going down to the ice cream place, car shows, etc.--you meet the neatest people in the resto game.

  Plus it's just FUN doin the occasional burnout.

176 you can take my 10mpg lifted jeep from my cold dead hands...or your familys dead hands when i use them as a speedbump.

177 It started life with the 383, I have the original block, but it'd junk, tossed a rod with the second owner, it now sports a tweaked 440.

178

The Super Bee has the original 383 and I want to keep it that way. As you know the only option engine for the Super Bee in 1968 was the Hemi. Not a very streetable engine. Was the 440 an option for the 1968 Road Runner?

179 Nope, the engines were the 383 (base engine) w/335 horses, or the 426 Hemi,with 425 horses.

180 I forgot to ask. Do you have the Hearst 4 speed or the automatic. Our car has the 4 speed and it was very nice. I have rebuilt it as that was the reason for the car not being usable after 200,000 plus miles.

181

GMC Yukon XL 2500 (3/4 ton)....8.1L engine....big ass solid steel grill guard....6,800 lbs with me sitting happily inside as I scream down the highway @ 70 mph....

That's right, motherfucker.

Watch out.

182 Did you see how I spelled Hurst? Sometimes I wonder if my brain is still functional.

183 This car is a clone of my original Runner bought new in January of 68,4-speed A-833 trans,with a 3,73 limited slip rear, I paid $2945.00 for it, right off the showroom floor. There's about 14.5k in it now iirc. Base car was 5400, as a roller.

184

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The moment they ban trucks and suvs I'm going to go into the reconditioning business because as long as there's a beaten-up truck in a junkyard anywhere in America, someone will want to drive it.

185 LC. That must be some kick ass engine. I have a 6 liter in my Silverado and it runs real good.

186 Good talking to you, sir--but I have to go, it's late and there's trout to be harassed in the am--be well, good people.

187

#7...

Those cars look like family cars compared to the so-called "Smart-Car".

Death on wheels, I tell ya.

188 Warden, you're killing me.

189

irongrampa if you only have 14.5k in it restored then you have done real good.

Have fun smoking the tires off. I envy you.

190

It's AGUSTA.

Jesus Christ.

Look, you own one (LIE), so just go out and run your finger over the logo. Move your lips. Fucking blowhard barbershop end-of-the-bar bullshitters.

Did you used to have a Moter-Guzzy, too? Augusta. Lardass.

191 @110 Back in the day, it worked like this: GM and Ford made their money on large cars like Cadillacs, Crown Vics, and Caprice Classics. To compensate, they pretty much gave away Escorts and Cavaliers. IIRC, it took 3 Escorts to offset a Crown Vic. Around 1990 GM and Ford said "fuck this" and moved to selling SUVs to people who would have bought large cars. At that point, prices in the car segment went up to what could be considered normal. There was still some amount of subsidization though. It's hard to predict exactly what you're going to sell over the year, so you have to make up for it @ the end of the year. I got kick ass incentives on a '95 F-150 with a 5 speed and an inline 6 thanks to CAFE. What it comes down to though is that CAFE is bad law. It has disparate impact on the poor and minorities (if it was a Republican law, they'd be all over it on affirmative action grounds), it resulted in poorer outcomes (lower fleet fuel economy average, higher mix of light trucks in the fleet, and more traffic fatalities). Finally, it doesn't correctly account for utilization. A Prius that drives 20,000 miles a year has a higher gas/carbon footprint than a Mustang GT that's someone's weekend driver. But according to CAFE, the only number that matters is the fuel economy over an average LA driving cycle.

192 Each auto company will have a different fuel-efficiency target, based on its mix of vehicles. Automakers that build more small cars will have a higher target than car companies that manufacture a broad range of cars and trucks. For example, passenger cars built by General Motors Co. will need to hit a target of 32.7 mpg in 2012 and increase to 36.9 mpg by 2016. Honda Motor Co., meanwhile, will need to reach passenger car targets of 33.8 mpg in 2012 and ramp up to 38.3 mpg in 2016.

^^^This

I can't see ANY way not having the same standard for EVERY company could possibly be used to punish or reward those who don't toe the line.

Kind of like the 'progressive' income tax, eh?

'We're going to get the lobbyists out of Washington', except every damned thing Barry does means that more lobbyists will necessarily come to Washington.

Dear God, if we could win back the Congress and defund the EPA it would be like a dream.

193 Whatever happened to the liberal cry: "If it saves just one life...!"

194

Just got 2010 range rover.  Guzzles massive amounts of gas.  I love it.

 

195 TXMarko - Cars are grandfathered for emissions after 25 ears in the Dallas area.  Out of the 7 I've owned, only two have been FI, and I've had no problem registering or inspecting them.

Thanks to stupid laws like these, they've just about guaranteed that I'll never own something new.  Ever.  I just need to buy back my Dad's old parts car, the '70 Dodge Polara Grandma-mobile.  That thing was awesome.

196 Am I the only one here with a Harley? Feel left out, you guys have cool shit. Not my choice, need forward controls for bad knees.

197 Reliable and professional website for retail where you can buy Clearance MBT Shoes, Air Yeezy Shoes and Air Max 2010 with free shipping

198 I was having a bit of road rage behind the wheel of a Trabant. Shock, the steering column is connected via a journaled shaft held in place by a rubber boot. a bit of a pull and the whole assembly comes apart. No steering. Gotta love a two cylinder 2 stroke that runs on a gas oil mix, though. The family got that after only 8 years on on the waiting list in the days before Hungary kicked out Obama.

199 The stats are for what happens when a vehicle gets in a wreck. However, that is not the whole picture: there are two factors 1) How well does a vehicle do in a wreck 2) How likely is a vehicle to get into a wreck. Factor one is proportional to the mass of the vehicle, factor two is inversely proportional to the mass of the vehicle. The sweet spot is at a 3500 lb sports sedan, BMW - Mercedes - Infiniti etc.

Driving an 18 wheeler is great on factor one - but awful on factor two - the result is that driving an 18 wheeler is about as dangerous as driving a motorcycle - which is great on factor two and awful on factor one. 18 wheelers can't stop, they can't turn, they just smash into things a car could easily avoid. Motorcycles are easily able to avoid most accident conditions - but when they do get into an accident there is a good chance of the driver being killed.

SUV's ARE NOT SAFE. They are about as dangerous as a 2500 lb car. Because SUV's  have crappy brakes and aren't maneuverable they have a higher chance of killing you than a 3500 lb sports sedan - which is small enough, and has great brakes and steering to avoid most accidents - but large enough to do well in an accident if it gets in one. The result:: lowest death rate per mile driven is at this (3500 lb sports sedan) vehicle size.

If you don't think brakes and steering make a safety difference lock your steering wheel and cut the brake lines on your car and tell me how long it is until you get into an accident. Those are by far the most important safety features on any vehicle - the better they are the safer the vehicle.

Overall a Hummer is no safer than a small car because the Hummer will get into a lot more accidents. One quarter of all of the deaths in the Iraq war were the result of traffic accidents - mostly in big heavy military vehicles. Death rate per mile driven is the real statistic to look at when judging vehicle safety.

200 There is a much better way to achieve good fuel economy than going to 2000 lb dangerous cars.  Go to formula one technology engines ( detuned ). For example a 1.5 liter (90 cubic inch) 3 cylindar engine based on formula one technology could easily get 300 HP at 15000 rpm while delivering excellent fuel economy in normal driving. Such an engine would also produce less pollution, use less oil,  be easier to cool all while being less expensive to build than a big engine - without sacrificing performance.

For example: a 2005 G-35 Infiniti has about the same acceleration as a classic tri-power Pontiac GTO from the muscle car era but gets much better fuel economy because the engine losses to friction in normal driving are much lower for the smaller - higher revving more modern engine.

Going to Formula One technology engines would result in an additional big boost in fuel economy.

201

198  Don't feel uncool -- you own a Harley.  If I got a bike, it would be a Harley (but I'll never own one because I think motorcycles are death traps on wheels).

202

Oh, and Bob's right about driving accidents. SUVs handle like pigs; they take very considerate driving (rollover is a serious issue) and give people a sense of false security.  Still, these little jelly bean cars are not safe either and this new mileage standard is a bunch of bullshit.

 

I'm intrigued with the Formula 1 technology.

203 Dave you get a choice when you buy your car: want heavier than go ahead and get one and then be happy when the other car in the accident is just a wee one

204

we loves us our 2004 Town Car and our 2001 F150 - big, comfortable, huge, SAFE

In the past 20 years my wife was in two major car crashes. In the first one some silly cow ran too fast and blew a curve on snow/ice and came across the road into my wife's lane - speed limit 50 mph. I'd say the collision speed was in excess of 80mph. Our Ford Country Squire station wagon cut the Cutlas in half. Damage to the Ford - new front clip and bumper. It didn't even damage the radiator.  Second instance some clown comes barrelling out of a side access road into a 55mph county highway and misjudges the timing. His Chevy pickup off-center head-on's the wife in our F150. Collision speed in excess of 100mph. My wife got a cracked kneecap from the dash board and a couple broken toes from the brake pedal (very common). Both trucks were totalled but both drivers hobbled away alive and lightly wounded.

Try that with your Geo, (not so) Smart Car, etc.

205 Andy, sadly, when you get a big heavy vehicle you don't improve your chances of survival -but by having one you do increase the chances that you will kill some one else.

Psychopaths who wants to kill some one and get away with need to drive a big boat. Hummers are available cheap right now - I urge all psychopaths  to drive them; not only would their chances of killing some one go up over an optimal sized car - but as a bonus to the rest of us their chances of dying go up also - removing them from the gene pool and improving humanity.

By the way, I have an autographed copy of Atlas Shrugged - I suspect that the difference between us is that I can see the errors in Rand's philosophy (not her fault - she trusted what Aristotle said; he was the one who was wrong).

206

Hey, Bob.

Blow me.

That is all.

207 3 cylindar engine based on formula one
.
Shouldn't that be a 3-cylindar motor based on Formulae Uno?
Yeah, it would only cost 16,000 Euros to put a Renwaat 5.5bar turbo in some limey slopbucket, with the pucker factor of blowing the damn thing to the sky greatly reducing the desire to have it repaired soon after.
Clown

208 Bob, you need to STFU. You have no clue what you are talking about.

RE: F1 technology that 'only' runs at 15000 RPMs. You have no idea how much it costs to get an engine to run at 15K RPMs. You're aware that 600CC sportbikes currently have a limit about right around 15K RPMs.

Those are 600CCs with extremely oversquare bores, meaning they make NO torque and are only suitable in a lightweight vehicle (a sportbike weighs about 420lbs full gassed) and don't begin to make power until around 8 or 9 thousand RPMs; F1 engines are the same way; no power until the revs come up, which means you have to go full throttle to get moving, killing your gas mileage.

You think you can throw one of these engines into a 3500 pound vehicle and get it moving? F1 cars weigh about 1100 lbs.

A 15000 RPM engine that makes 90% of it's power in the last 20% of it's rpm range is useless in a street-driven car.

Do you think you can double the engine size and take it 15K RPMs and make it affordable and trouble-free. LOL.

If you want to talk about 'intriguing' technology then then LeMan LMP1 diesels are intriguing.

Sit down and be quiet about shit you have no idea about.

To address your point regarding how likely a vehicle is to crash: A vehicle is 100% unlikely to get into a crash. It doesn't drive itself. It's all about the driver, and most drivers aren't good enough to maneuver either a SUV or a 'lighter' sportscar out of a crash, especially considering most crashes are NOT a result of maneuverability or lack thereof. People crash because they don't pay attention. That's why Mercedes is building in features to compensate for driver stupidity.

209 buy a Mercedes for your daughter

210

" when you get a big heavy vehicle you don't improve your chances of survival "

Bob, can you please cite the research that supports that statement?

NTHSA and others have proven otherwise. I have anecdotal evidence from my family and friends that proves otherwise.

"Psychopaths who wants to kill some one and get away with need to drive a big boat."

Ahhhh, so you admit that silly little 4-speed rollerskates are dangerous to the occupants. Oh and BTW, NTHSA and others have proven that these little cars are more dangerous in ALL crashes including so-called one car accidents. So the real line is, "If you want to commit suicide one should immediately go out and buy a Smart Car and drive it alot."

"Save the planet! But a Smart Car and remove your carbon footprint permatnently!"

211 It figures.We know have an "expert" who has no common sense.  I have more time and experience behind the wheel that you  can only dream about.  In all kinds of weather.    The problem is too many people who should be driving instead of talking on the phone, playing with their I-pods, texting, are what ever they are doing instead of DRIVING.    When I was driving, ever other day an idiot did something stupid and I avoided the accident.  

212

213 More bullshit from "environmentalists".  These electric vehicles?  Where does the electric power come?  It must be little dancing fairies!  Where do the used batteries end up when they are used up?  They must disappeared, just like the refuse from 'nuke plants!

214

RightÂ… Formula One technology.  So, youÂ’re given an engine that, in average, has a life of 500 miles.  Not 50,000.  Not 500,000.  500.  They rebuild formula one motors after every race.  

 

Top that with the fact that Formula One engines cost about 25K on the low end, and youÂ’ve got a repair bill that is so big that you could buy a new SUV every year, AND pay for the fuel at 10 miles per gallon, and you are still ahead.  

 

Throw in a little discussion about horsepower vs. torque and the fact that a formula one engine doesnÂ’t make ANY OF EITHER until it hits about 7 or 8 thousand RPM (consider the stall on the torque converter and the amount of slippage necessary to allow 7 thousand RPM to transfer power smoothly to a drivetrain spinning at ZERO RPM at take-off) and youÂ’ve got an engine that overspools like mad just to cruise around a parking lot, and an transmission that roasts itself alive every 20 miles in stop and go conditions.

 

WhoeverÂ’s idea THAT was is not thinking.

 

Now, clean diesel technology?  That, there, is the future.  My wife drives a 1.9 liter VW Golf.  It gets 52 miles per gallon, and hauls serious ass.  I drive a one ton pickup (for work) that has a diesel in it.  A similar truck with a gas motor would be luck to get 10 or 11 miles per gallon.  I routinely get 18 and 19.  Diesel tech is where itÂ’s at.  That, and getting us away from the reciprocating piston ICE paradigm (possibly quasi-turbine phot-ignition engines are the future?)  

215

To further my point on Formula One – ever watch one of them take off from the pits?  What happens?  One of three thingsÂ…

 

1.)  They get a push from a helper truck.  This usually happens at the start of the race.  Why is that?  Could it be because they donÂ’t have enough power below 7K RPM to even get an 1,100 pound race care rolling, much less a 4K pound sedan?  

 

2.)  They get a push start from the pit crew, then gun the engine and dump the clutch, spinning the tires as they take off.  They donÂ’t do this to look cool or put on a show – it is literally the only way to get the car rolling without stalling it.

 

3.)  They rev the ever loving shit out of the motor and dump the clutch, spinning tires and putting on a hell of a show.  Same reason as above.  To keep the car from stalling, every time you stopped at a light, youÂ’d floor the gas, wait for the RPMs to come up to 7K or so, then dump the clutch and do a smokey burn-out in order to get rolling.  Better not try to learn to drive a stick in one of these.  Of course, you could solve the problem by using an automatic with a 7K rpm stall torque converter.  You could just, then, burn off all that clutch-dumping shock in friction inside the transmission.  You know, wearing, heat-building friction?  You know, the stuff that wrecks auto trannies in a few miles?  

 

OK, IÂ’m done making fun of the “Formula One technology in my daily driver” idea.  

 

Anyone want to discuss real options?  Clean Diesel?  Quasi-Turbines?  All-Electric (which, by the way, if we could come up with a way to efficiently store electricity, would be BADASS.  100% torque, 100% of the time.  You want power?  Drive electric!) 

 

I think the future lies in further research of homogeneous combustion photo-ignition carriage type engines (like the quasi-turbine) and the development of efficient ways to either store electricity or create it in a small space (fuel cells).  I would love to have a 150 horsepower electric motor in my truck. It would out-pull my 275 horse diesel any day.