February 19, 2010
— Purple Avenger Its sure looking like it is.
...Tandja first took power in democratic elections in 1999 that followed an era of coups and rebellions. But instead of stepping down as mandated by law on Dec. 22, he triggered a political crisis by pushing through a new constitution last August that removed term limits and gave him near-totalitarian powers...
...Tandja claims he is only pushing to stay in power because his people have demanded it...Of course, of course they demanded a "dictator for life", what "correct thinking" person could possibly want anything else?
Let's see if foggy bottom gets this one right, or more likely, sides with the deposed would be dictator for life. Being comprised of mostly dictators, defacto dictators, and corrupt kleptocrats, the African Union has of course condemned the coup.
So far, the anti-dictator forces have keep the former dictator alive, which historically is a grave mistake. D. J. Goodspeed examined the characteristics of successful and failed coups in The Conspirators: A Study of the Coup D'Etat and allowing the deposed to live to mount opposition, make international appeals and such, frequently results in failure of the coup. With the deposed taking a dirt nap, coups have a much better chance of being presented, and accepted, as done deals. After a modest period of grousing and bitching, the international diplomatic community moves on and accepts the new reality when return to the old reality is physically impossible.
Q: Is this "new crew" any better than the old crew?
A: That remains to be seen.
Q: Why should we care about this coup one way or the other?
A: One word - U.R.A.N.I.U.M. Niger has lots of Uranium ore and hasn't been too particular about who they sell it to in the past.
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Posted by: Rev. Al at February 19, 2010 07:38 AM (Q1lie)
...Tandja Obama claims he is only pushing to stay in power because his people have demanded it...
A cautionary tale.
Posted by: Dang Straights at February 19, 2010 07:38 AM (fx8sm)
CHAOS, IN THE END, ONLY CHAOS. And death, and firestorms.
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 07:40 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at February 19, 2010 07:40 AM (NLZLH)
Posted by: Baldrick Obama at February 19, 2010 07:41 AM (MMC8r)
Is it Niger that has uranium or Nigeria? Or are they the same country.
Either way we should send Joe Wilson down to fix everything up
Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 07:41 AM (wuv1c)
With the deposed taking a dirt nap, coups have a much better chance of being presented, and accepted, as done deals
Tell us about it.
Posted by: The Tsar's Family at February 19, 2010 07:42 AM (wuv1c)
Niger does uranium, Nigeria does email scams.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 19, 2010 07:43 AM (eTmlC)
Is it Niger that has uranium or Nigeria? Or are they the same country.
Niger does uranium, Nigeria does email scams.
What's the name of Fraiser Crane's brother on the sitcom Fraiser?
Posted by: The Tsar's Family at February 19, 2010 07:43 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Rev Jesse at February 19, 2010 07:45 AM (f15Ot)
Let us be clear. The Nigerian people have spoken and they want Tandja as their leader. Why are you right wingers so opposed to democracy?
Posted by: Fidel, Hugo, Barack at February 19, 2010 07:45 AM (wlE4Z)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at February 19, 2010 07:46 AM (NLZLH)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at February 19, 2010 07:46 AM (8zQxF)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 19, 2010 07:49 AM (pZEar)
Posted by: nickless at February 19, 2010 07:50 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at February 19, 2010 07:50 AM (NLZLH)
I guess that means Obama won't be supporting it.
Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2010 07:52 AM (Z+kpn)
I'm pretty sure that it's got to be as the people of Niger.
Posted by: Deety at February 19, 2010 07:52 AM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Neo at February 19, 2010 07:54 AM (tE8FB)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at February 19, 2010 11:46 AM (NLZLH)
You don't! Got that you lousy Dago?
Posted by: Rev. Al at February 19, 2010 07:54 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: Flavius Julius at February 19, 2010 07:58 AM (NLZLH)
Posted by: Deety at February 19, 2010 07:58 AM (aVzyR)
I have yet to receive my secret reich wing decoder bracelet (unicorn variant). What does this post mean? (boy)
I just got mine yesterday, did the decode and it came out "Buy more Ovaltine, Sieg Hiel". What a jip that was. Curiously enough though, borrowed a secret socialist left wing decoder ring from a friend, decoded again and the message read, "Michelle Obama says no more ovaltine for you lard butt".
Guess it's a lot like playing Ozzy Ozbourne records backwards. You'll either get hidden messages or the lyrics will actually make some sort of sense.
Posted by: Redneck Klingon at February 19, 2010 07:59 AM (e8T35)
when speaking about the people of Niger or Nigeria, call them Nigeriens/Nigerians with an added "e not a" as appropriate.
Heh. I'll be sure to keep that straight.
Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2010 08:01 AM (OlN4e)
Or, to borrow a particularly nice phrase, "pour encouragement les autres."
Posted by: cthulhu at February 19, 2010 08:02 AM (u+gbs)
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2010 08:02 AM (QrA9E)
36 Who is Obama siding with? That will tell us who is the bad guy.
Like Carter, he never met a dictator he didn't like.
Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2010 08:04 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at February 19, 2010 08:07 AM (2tDYU)
I think that was the point of Goodspeed's study though. That the practical results of this tactic lead to failed coups more often than not. Probably because the deposed and his faction tend not to have "national unity" as a priority when they are not in power.
Posted by: Deety at February 19, 2010 08:08 AM (aVzyR)
The name of the joint venture? "Nigaz". I shiat you not.
http://tinyurl.com/l5j8xp
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2010 08:11 AM (SFRtJ)
Like Carter, he never met a dictator he didn't like.
Me either!
Oh wait, you said dic-tator. My bad.
Posted by: Andi Sulli at February 19, 2010 08:12 AM (f7A+e)
Posted by: Noah at February 19, 2010 08:16 AM (mhD2v)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at February 19, 2010 08:16 AM (8zQxF)
I thought cthulu might have been saying that coup leaders would let the deposed live as a means of demonstrating their good intentions and to promote national unity.
Now I'm reading it more along the lines of killing the deposed leaders in order to send a message of "get with the program and let's all be unified about this or you're next to any possible dissenters.
Meh.
I'll go pour that extra cup of coffee now. Looks like I could use it.
Posted by: Deety at February 19, 2010 08:18 AM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2010 12:11 PM (SFRtJ)
Hey! Dat's My Nigaz!
Posted by: Vlad Putin at February 19, 2010 08:21 AM (Q1lie)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at February 19, 2010 08:29 AM (8zQxF)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 19, 2010 08:42 AM (P33XN)
This is not a constitutional coup, because the constitution was legally amended to make the President President-for-Life.
It is a pro-democracy coup of a counter-revolutionary nature, in that the President's push to amend the constitution amounted to a constitutional coup of his own.
Posted by: stuiec at February 19, 2010 08:52 AM (7AOgy)
Posted by: Zimriel the Jacobite at February 19, 2010 08:53 AM (9Sbz+)
Thanks stuiec.
I didn't like to call Honduras a "coup" for that reason (obligatory side comment: fuck you, Chuck).
Posted by: Zimriel at February 19, 2010 08:56 AM (9Sbz+)
lol Noah 43, your most cogent comment on AoSHQ to date.
The "dictator perpetuus" gig doesn't work, though. It makes too many people nervous when they can't predict what the chief executive is going to do next. Read your Plutarch.
Better that the would-be ruler declare himself a king (or emperor) and then make the next-most powerful and wealthy, uh, Nigerese into his senate. At least then people know that the king has limits to what he can do.
Better still: the ruler appoint someone else king and then step down, like Bismarck did.
Posted by: Zimriel at February 19, 2010 09:02 AM (9Sbz+)
Why I get at least one email per week from Niger offering me millions of dollars!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 19, 2010 09:05 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: Jeff at February 19, 2010 09:10 AM (KHmJW)
Posted by: iowavette at February 19, 2010 09:29 AM (0JTac)
Posted by: unknown jane at February 19, 2010 10:27 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2010 10:28 AM (e8YaH)
The legality is somewhat suspect since he eliminated any courts and state organs that would have been capable of overturning it. Very convenient, that.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 19, 2010 10:54 AM (a4Vvb)
Then you've have a situation where SCOTUS only existed on paper and was incapable of declaring even the most outlandish actions of the executive or legislative branches unconstitutional.
That's sort of what happened with the supposedly "legal" constitution change in Niger. It was about as legal as the Reichstag fire.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 19, 2010 10:59 AM (a4Vvb)
I can't claim to be an expert in the "Nigerien" constitution. I'm reading the article to figure out to what degree stuiec and PA are right. (Honduras was more clear-cut - their Constitution survived.)
It reads to me like Niger's Constitution, again by contrast with Honduras, was compiled by a bunch of dope-smoking wankers with absolutely no insight as to how political systems work. What the hell is this crap:
In May 2009, he dissolved the national assembly because it opposed his plan to hold a referendum removing term limits. The move was legal
The Nigeriens haven't got anyone to blame but themselves, that they let the executive run referenda and dissolve parliament at whim. They should have just designed a crown and purple robe, and saved time.
I assume that dissolving the court system was not legal, but I bet you the Nigerien Constitution had nothing to say about what to do when the President does it. Also I bet you that it had nothing to say about how the courts could decide whether the wording of a referendum was "legal" or not. I'll even go so far as to guess that the Constitution didn't even posit the concept of an illegal proposition. Which makes the courts toothless here.
Yes, this President was a criminal; but, one more time unlike Honduras, his criminality didn't disbar him from legally becoming Caesar.
Posted by: Zimriel at February 19, 2010 12:27 PM (9Sbz+)
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A: One word - U.R.A.N.I.U.M. Niger has lots of Uranium ore and hasn't been to particular about who they sell it too in the past.
I thought Joe Wilson had figured out who got Niger uranium by having all those tea-drinking sessions.
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at February 19, 2010 07:38 AM (9hSKh)