Goldberg in the NRO Corner:

And for those of you about to send me another thousand emails about how such alleged prissiness and squeamishness on my part amounts to tactical surrender, let me respond with one more entirely tactical point. Your tactic won't work! If conservatives stuck to their guns and, in lockstep, insisted that Sherrod deserves everything she got because she is an obvious racist, that wouldn't lead to any kind of "victory." That would lead to lots of Americans thinking conservatives are being mean and unfair (particularly among the squishy independents and swing voters the GOP needs for crushing victory this November). Watch the Today Show or Good Morning America, read the non-conservative press. Conservative solidarity won't convince millions of Americans that conservatives are right. It will convince millions of Americans that conservatives can't admit it when they are wrong. Does anyone doubt this has been a P.R. debacle for conservatives? Would you do this exactly the same way again if you could?

Agree.

This is better than the Journalist.  Actually, this together with the Journalist paint a masterpiece to rival the great masters of masterpieces.

After this, for the MFM to deny that they are stuck mouth to schmekel to the Liar In Chief of the United States LICUS, would be giving them credit for being even more insanely incompetent in their professions than Barry and crew.

No mean accomplishment.

"He's also lobbing grenades of controversy -- like his most recent revelation this week of an old speech by Obama Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod, in which she confessed that she once, decades ago, was deeply reluctant to help a white farmer who needed her aid."

The speech was in, what, March?  Four months ago makes it "an old speech?"

Shit.  Even Obama's expiration dates are longer than that.

I refuse to even acknowledge the continued subconciously-implied claim that Breitbart himself did the editing.  It is a JournoList ruse to get conservatives riled up, and I will not take the bait.

It was going to be that regardless of how Breitbart made his point.

Where he fucked up was in providing an opening for Beltway (and Beltway-aspirant, or -envious) conservatives to disown him, his method and milieu (independent righty investigative and gotcha reporting), and to dissociate themselves from you dirty racist white-baggers—who they despise as much as any JournoLister does. They've been dying for that moment, and he let them have it.

He fucked up. Just barely. He deserves a "You dumbass! Think!" for that.

But look who's taking advantage of his mistake—when the factual case for "conservative solidarity" is better than the case for cowering like bitches AGAIN—and remember it.

For example, since he's quoted above, whose language is Goldberg using to tell you how to act, and to shut up and do what your betters say, for your own good? "Lockstep." The dude's immunity to irony is amazing.

Was that Mel Gibson pushing the Honda?

That video, BTW, is awesome.

Who knew that Mel Gibson was into rice-rockets?

You know, over the years, there are SO many things the networks were NEVER called on, and some not even political.

1. The problem with the runaway acceleration of Audis, as "documented" on 60 minutes, in 1991, I think.  I had a conversation with an Audi dealer about 12 years ago regarding how that had hurt Audi and resale value.  Just like the Toyota problem- morons with big feet that hit the accelerator instead of the brake.

2.  The F-150 debacle, where NBC "bombed" the saddle gas tanks to make a "point".

3. NBC Dateline actually came to my town to do a story on it, after a bunch of people won  ~ 150 million dollars on "Powerball" about 11 years ago.  I can still remember seeing them interview the locals, sincerely enthusiastic about what a nice place we live in, then seeing the episode on NBC Dateline, and the total mocking attitude NBC took.  They started the piece with the theme from "Green Acres", just to get your mind right.

4.  And of course, who can forget Dan Rather, and "fake but accurate"?

Freaks.  Lying two-faced freaks.  All of 'em.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at July 22, 2010 12:29 PM (ruzrP)

hehe, didn't the Hammer or Chrystal say something to that effect last night??

The story still isn't Sherrod.  It isn't what this administration did to her, or what she will receive by virtue of that having happened to her.

She or her circumstance are miniscule elements of a pretty damn big story.

This is what I call the Blitz On Every Down fallacy.

Is that some kind of reference to Germany?  huh?

This is what I call the Blitz On Every Down fallacy.

Is that some kind of reference to Germany?  huh?

No, I think it's the Panther's game plan.

It's not that we need to be blitzing on every single down. We just have to make sure we call the right play, which everybody can see, the GOP can't seem to do. Punting on first down is kinda stupid, but that's all we ever see or hear.

There are certain truths in politics, economics and life. If we ignore them, like the Bush administration did for eight years, it merely encourages the other team to run whatever play they want, knowing they'll win.

We must pick our battles carefully, which is to call the right play, with all the players knowing where they're supposed to be on the field at all times. We need a coach who knows the game and knows what the other team is likely to do so we can counter their plays effectively.

Conservatives cannot fight this war of ideas exactly the same way as libs do.

Because we are on nothing like the same terrain as they are.

Goldberg fail.

"That would lead to lots of Americans thinking conservatives are being mean and unfair (particularly among the squishy independents and swing voters the GOP needs for crushing victory this November)."

Riiight, because that drum hasn't had the shit beaten out of it or anything like that.

"Watch the Today Show or Good Morning America, read the non-conservative press. Conservative solidarity won't convince millions of Americans that conservatives are right."

Because Today and GMA are known for giving conservatives a fair shake.  Real paragons of neutrality those folks.

"It will convince millions of Americans that conservatives can't admit it when they are wrong."

Riiight.  Because millions of Americans are already convinced that the liberals in charge can.  R2K says so!

"Does anyone doubt this has been a P.R. debacle for conservatives?"

As if conservatives have had like, totally awesome PR for the past, oh, I dunno, 40 fucking years?

Glad to see Ace sorta coming around on this one.

I really think that people have to back off this "NEVER GIVE AN INCH" nonsense. I know people in real life who never give an inch -- and I avoid them because they are dogmatic, self-centered, inflexible assholes.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 12:26 PM (KUUXH)

Agreed! However, it depends on your opponent. If they are an honorable and well intentioned opposition that can also be relied on to be honest even when it is inconvenient or disadvantageous, then you can be reasonable and follow "the truth", wherever it leads you, and that is a good thing. If however you are dealing with a KNOWN dogmatic, inflexible, and self-centered asshole then it is no-longer right or wrong or good or bad, but for them it is always about "the win". Those types of opponents must always be pushed to the ground, even when they are correct, simply because you can no-longer trust their goof faith intentions.

I'm sorry, but from her language is there anyone out there who does not think that her FIRST inclination is to be Racist?

Even though she eventualy did the right thing... listen to her talk... listen to how she thinks about Race.

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 22, 2010 12:39 PM (mQ8O/)

That kind of thinking is why I don't give a fuck if she was treated fairly or not. She's a typical leftist/socialist/ marxist and should not have anything to do with government. And BTW, she's a racist underneath all that marxist crap, too.

"I say good idea. Let's have ACORN be all over the news again with an election coming up."

Yesplease!

She also said Fox News never checked the facts with her before posting a story and the video clip.

"Not before they reported it," she said of Fox's negligence. "They have called me today and initially I had said yes (to an interview), but I thought about it and I did not think they intended to be fair in their reporting. They are going to say what they want to say regardless of what I say."

She said Fox showed no professionalism in continuing to bother her for an interview, but failing to correct their coverage.

"I think they should but they won't. They intended exactly what they did. They were looking for the result they got yesterday," she said of Fox. "I am just a pawn. I was just here. They are after a bigger thing, they would love to take us back to where we were many years ago. Back to where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person."

The story still isn't Sherrod.  It isn't what this administration did to her, or what she will receive by virtue of that having happened to her.

She or her circumstance are miniscule elements of a pretty damn big story.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 22, 2010 12:35 PM (RkRxq)

Besides the multi-million dollar legal settlements and the 25yrs of potential discrimination in the GA USDA , this country is dealing with a multitude of devastating issues; warterrorism, unemployment/depression, ecological disasters, Lidsay Lohan in jail etc. Yet, all we and the talking heads are discussing is this Sherrod nit-wit...I think NAACP and the Leftists may have hi-jacked our MOJO?? I hope Breitbart has more of the goods!

Goldberg is a smart guy, and his heart is in the right place.

That said, like Capt Ed, he has an unfortunate propensity for beginning sentences with the phrase "In fairness..." in order to demonstrate open mindedness or something.

My beef with him on this subject is the rush to apologize.  Let the thing cook for a week or two, then decide if handshakes are required. Till then, let the enemy squeal.  Or, to quote a famous journolist, let them "sputter with rage", and expose their inner thinking.

You really need to get your mindset right.  These people are the enemy.  They don't like you, some even hate you without knowing you.  Don't apologize before you know exactly what that's going to cost you.  And don't ignore their history of dishonesty and hate.

Now someone should look deeper into Pigford and the Sherrod's connections to SNCC. Could be a larger story here, I'm sure.

She may not be a racist per se, but she sure seems to be willing to use race to game the system. Her story of redemption appears to be more of a "come to Karl Marx" moment than "come to Jesus". And as a federal employee she is legally barred from any partisan political activity. My dad was a mail carrier and all he could do was vote.

I'm not worried about Breitbart. He will be attacked by the left no matter what he does. I'm interested in what else he has. It may not be Sherrod, but she was not the target to begin with, just collateral damage. And it did make the left look like incompetent fools. That alone is worth the price of admission.

Stock up on popcorn and cheap booze. Gonna be a fun ride.

I'm sorry, but from her language is there anyone out there who does not think that her FIRST inclination is to be Racist?

Even though she eventualy did the right thing... listen to her talk... listen to how she thinks about Race.

YES! + Infinity!

And listen to when the NAACP applauds. Sherrod views everything through the prism of race. She IS a racist. Just like the NAACP.

"Do you think the guys in that video could possible understand that even if the car had hit the ramp correctly that it wasn't going fast enough to make it into the truck?"

You're talking about guys who went to rent a U-Haul, rented a truck, and left, completely unaware of the fact that U-Haul rents out car trailers.

The powers of observation elude them on many, many levels.  The fact that smashing their rice-rocket into the back of the U-Haul saved their lives (instead of getting partway up the ramp, and then crushing whoever was unfortunate enough to be "in the crosshairs" as it came rolling back down) is relatively low on the list.

Because Today and GMA are known for giving conservatives a fair shake.  Real paragons of neutrality those folks.

Thank you. Between this, and what we now know coming out of the Journolist bag o' crap, these people are NOT neutral. When something does not exist, they MAKE IT UP. I agree that we are talking tactics; where I disagree is this unspoken rule that somehow, someway, always remaining on the straight and narrow will be recognized and given credence.

Having said that, going full bore places people like Ace in a difficult position. It's apparantly easy for the likes of Weigel or Ackerman to make this crap up without a qualm, or a jerk from NPR fantasying about Rush Limbaugh's death, and then following that up with a Sparta style aplogy ( I'm sorry that I was caught). Ace and others here do care about the truth.

The hilarious thing about this whole episode is that everyone fucked up.  AB fucked up by not having the whole video, Bambi fucked up by firing her ASAP, sharade fucked up by generally being a racially motivated nitwit.  The MFM fucked up because that is what they are.

For me the only real takeaways are that 1.) the left hates the race card just as much as we do, though I doubt they'll learn that lesson and 2.) Conservatives are still new to the guerrilla warfare the media has been using against us for years.

I get the argument that the left always does shit like this and that we need to fight back.  I really do.  But conservatives also need to understand that we have a built in disadvantage.  Until the MFM dies we will always be the cause for all the worlds problems.  It doesn't matter if it's our fault or not.  Even if Breitbart didn't edit the tape and Sharade was still fired, the left would have blamed the evil fox news / racist teabaggers for making a big deal out of nothing (like the NBPP).  It's the only game they know how to play.

What I'd like to see the conservative pundits do is say look, it looks like sharade was falsely accused, but then they need to point out the crowds reaction to her speech and the fear the administration has for bad press.  We need to turn this around back on them, because they fucked up even worse then Breitbart.  Put them on the defensive.

I'm torn here.

It looks like Breitbart got screwed by whoever gave him that video, but it is pretty clear from Sherrod that she is in fact a racist, just not entirely in the video.

I am glad to see someone like her out of government and I can acknowledge that in this specific instance she is out for the wrong reason, but I just don't care.

We're the only ones who play by the rules and we keep losing. It's like everyone swearing to pacifism except for one person, we all know who is going to be making the rules then.

Can we give a little on principle without abandoning all of our principles. Isn't it more important our ideas win? And spare the me end, means, etc. It's politics, not a philisophical  fight between the just and unjust. It is our world view versus theirs, and as long as they are willing to do anything to get their way even it is illegal or unconstitutional.

I am not saying we have to stoop the whole way down to their level or start breaking the law, but in the realm of politics, specifically in the media arena, can't we at least do what needs to be done?

"Not to mention that truck was not intended to carry a vehicle inside of it, only to tow one if needed."

Even if it had made it up the ramps, as soon as the front tires bumped the boxes on the floor that cover the rear wheels of the truck, it would have been game-over.

The saddest part of the entire video?  Catching a glimpse of a baby stroller.  One of those fuckers has bred.

This is a pretty important blog, in my weak mind.  Breitbart created a firestorm from a blog.

People who participate on this blog are smart enough to recognize reality and they are also away of their extremely limited power as individuals to affect any change in how political games are played.

The people here know that politicians from the entire spectrum will act treacherously against us in their own self interest.

This blog is like a megaphone for individuals to scream at treacherous politicians.  They may not hear the megaphone or the individuals screaming their ideas into them, but other bloggers do.  And that amplifies the sound (hopefully).

I believe that most non-politicians on the right are frightened about the direction this country is headed and the timeframe available to stop this country's demise.

I also believe that most people on the left and most politicians accross the spectrum don't share that view.

What is available to us is a megaphone to use to attempt to shame politicians ostensibly on our own side into seeing what is happening through our eyes.

This is a good blog.  It seems at least to many of us that it raises the power of our voices.  And we are using them in the way we know how.

And that is not against you, Ace.

Thanks for the blog.

"Even though she eventualy did the right thing... listen to her talk... listen to how she thinks about Race."

Not once in her speech did she put "scare quotes" around any of her racist remarks, which you would expect from someone who is wanting to distance her current thinking from her former thinking.

This video needs Bill O'Reilly's "body language expert" to give it a thorough analysis.

If you want to believe we can change these things just by being angry and intense enough online, you need to rethink how your world works.

You mean like vote or something? Instead of bitching on the 'net?

How retro...

I still can't get over this video.

Let's say it was phyically possible to get that car up that ramp, which it wasn't, why did they push it? Why not drive it up?

That video, BTW, is awesome.

It would have been more awesomeer if she didn't; all the Einstein's were pushing against the back window.

It's hysterical that the mere mention of Fox News and Glenn Beck make the administration cower in fear but it's also scary. If they can stand up to a talk show host, it's no wonder they are getting shit on all over the world.

we knew they were amateurs.

Posted by: Jones at July 22, 2010 12:55 PM (ZH73Z)

That might be the real reason Ann Colter slammed him.

THAT'S HER SHTICK DAMMIT!

Posted by: Jones at July 22, 2010 12:55 PM (ZH73Z)

That might be the real reason Ann Colter slammed him.

THAT'S HER SHTICK DAMMIT!

You only hurt the ones you love.

Breitbart accusation of 'editing' a tape that he was supplied. The BIG LIE that needs to be remembered and fought. The tape was supplied to him in the truncated fashion.

That's the REAL question, who set up Breitbart? 

Did he get it anomalously or does he know the source?

I doubt it was some insidious plot. I am guessing it is someone who wanted to give Breitbart what he wanted, regardless of the overall context.

It's probably a fellow traveler who was exited about what he had and that he could contribute and only supplied the part of the video that made he look extremely racist.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 22, 2010 12:58 PM (X/Lqh)

What exactly was that "gold standard"?

Posted by: Jones at July 22, 2010 12:55 PM (ZH73Z)

Hey, I've been known to drop a few bombs in my day...

Posted by: Jones at July 22, 2010 12:55 PM (ZH73Z)

That might be the real reason Ann Colter slammed him.

THAT'S HER SHTICK DAMMIT!

Eh, she didn't really slam him, she was more of the "we need to know who supplied the tape to him."  She didn't really blame him.

Breaking News.

MSNBC has finally hired a person of Color to host a show on their network.

Whites Only sign taken down from the dressing room.

Those sprang spontaneously and fully formed from the ground, you know.  Nurtured by a rich soil of racism.?

You mean it's fashionable to be the Angry White Male again?  Woohoo!  Stand back, I'm getting my Angry White Maleness on!  Grrrr..

Lol..

Eh, she didn't really slam him, she was more of the "we need to know who supplied the tape to him."  She didn't really blame him.

Posted by: Dunkirk at July 22, 2010 01:01 PM (kbHJ6)

She might not have kneed him in the nuts, or broken a chair over his head, but he certainly felt the back of her hand across his face.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 22, 2010 01:02 PM (X/Lqh)

OK, 'could be...

Coulter used to be pretty far out there in what she'd say about anyone. Seems to me when you're outter marker is saying, 'whoa, slowdown', it's a good idea to take stock of what's going on.

Hmm.. well for myself I don't think Coulter is all that far out there as much as she's just sarcastic as hell.  Some people appreciate that sort of humor, some don't I guess.

"Why not drive it up?"

It's got no front bumper, and the front fenders are unpainted.  My guess is that the car is a "work in progress," and is missing an engine, a transmission, or both.

Any of you that were on car forums in the last ten years likely remember pictures of some doofus that built up a Honda engine in his basement, and then came to the unfortunately realization once he was done that, despite all the individual pieces fitting down the stairwell one by one over the course of the project, the completed engine would not fit back up.

Something tells me that Car Pusher Abusemaster either knows, or is, Basement Rebuild Doofus.

#129

So you think he know who fucked him with an edited tape? 

Or maybe he doesn't know it's edited and that there is a full version around?

He looks sloppy either way.

I think it would be like one of us sending Ace a link. You get kinda excited you found something that you think everyone else here will love.   And Ace posts it and we all later find out it wasn't entirely true, in context, accurate, or was as it was presented.

You're right he does look sloppy, but AB is a smart guy. He won't get burned twice. I think he just got the video, it looked good, he assumed there wasn't anything else to it and ran with it. Next time he will demand videos in full.

My God, it's full of tentacles!

"despite all the individual pieces fitting down the stairwell one by one over the course of the project, the completed engine would not fit back up"

Wait....whaaat!?

"I know people in real life who never give an inch -- and I avoid them because they are dogmatic, self-centered, inflexible assholes."

While others of that type seem to have the reins of power while they gallop us all over a cliff. 

Funny that...

They panicked.  What caused them to panick the way they did?

That is the question and the story in my mind. 

And now we are falling all over ourselves to find whoever the hell it is on our team to blame?  For what? 

Part of a tape aired.  It was out of context.  Like that never happens?

Why did they panic?

Posted by: inflexible assholes at July 22, 2010 01:06 PM (+sBB4)

Come to daddy big boy!

Please God leave Beck out of the "Gold Standard"

Don't think you can.  I was listening to him the other day, when for some inexplicable reason I suddenly had a massive urge to pick up my cell phone and order from Goldline.

I couldn't help myself.. it was like I was hypnotized or something.  I didn't want any gold, I didn't need any gold, but after listening to Beck, I just had to *have* gold.

rotflmao...

"Wait....whaaat!?"

HAHAHAHAHAHA loser.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 22, 2010 01:02 PM (X/Lqh)

Ann is wrong on her assessment of Sherrod's speech, but she is doing it for, what I would assume she considers to be, strategic reasons.  On any normal day, Coulter would have torn that speech to shreds.

And Beck wasn't defending Sherrod.  He was only saying that the original video showed little (without knowing the context of the segment) and that an immediate firing from a government job over that indicates something much more serious.

I don't think there's any question that, normally, both Coulter and Beck would have gone nuclear over Sherrod's epiphany that "it's the have-nots versus the haves"[paraphrased by memory, though the "versus" was the key].

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 01:11 PM (KUUXH)

Ace, why do you hate out freedoms!?

_{I keed... I keed}

I'm with the rest of the morons and moronettes that do not see the Heartwarming-Story-of-Redemption^TM that has been posited to explain away Mrs. Sherrod.

Her smirking and  playing to the audience while they laughed as she said she didn't do her required duty and fobbed the white farmer off to "one of his own kind" does not indicate any particular remorse for past bigotry.

She still has obvious problems with 'whitey' and thinks any opposition to President Obama is based solely on race.  Forgive me if I don't join the rush to give her a medal for finally deciding do do her job two decades ago.

"I couldn't help myself.. it was like I was hypnotized or something.  I didn't want any gold, I didn't need any gold, but after listening to Beck, I just had to *have* gold."

ZOMG did you hear that Goldline sells rare gold coins for MORE than their equivalent weight value???11/1/?!?!?rfdsafjklad;sfpo1@@#!!@?#?@!#

Posted by: ace

No need sir, I already have a wife. She does quite well in this regard.

People are definitively angry about the state of the country and there's clearly a desire to see that reflected in commentary and by politicians.

Well of course people are angry about the state of the country. And you know what, that’s one thing in common that liberals and conservatives share. For the liberals they are waking up to the reality that the Messiah they voted for to bring “hope” and “change” screwed them just as badly as the evvvvvvil former President that they were reflexively voting against. For the conservatives they are living in a world of “I told you so” and even though it feels good to be right, being right in this instance means our country is going to hell in a handbasket.

The country is at simmer now, and each of these little instances heats us up one or two more degrees. Not sure what will finally bring us to full boil, but it is coming and it isnÂ’t pretty.

"Beck was positively hilarious on Fox yesterday."

I heard that Colors of Change is demanding an immediate boycott on A&W.

(I kid...although I wouldn't be suprised)

@186

Oops, apparent Freudian slip:

Last sentence should read: "... deciding to do her job ..."

They panicked.  What caused them to panick the way they did?...Why did they panic?

"Beck was positively hilarious on Fox yesterday."

I don't always like him - he has a tendency to go off the rails into conspiracy land - but I have to grant him one thing.  He's a great entertainer.

ZOMG did you hear that Goldline sells rare gold coins for MORE than their equivalent weight value???11/1/?!?!?rfdsafjklad;sfpo1@@#!!@?#?@!#

"...she confessed that she once, decades ago, was deeply reluctant to help a white farmer who needed her aid."  How many lies can you find?

1. The liklihood that it was "once" is virtually zero - a lie.

2. That she was "deeply reluctant" to help is pure sophistry - by her own admission, she took pleasure in denying him help!

3. That this was a "confession" is another piece of sophistry - her admissions were not only NOT regarded as sins in context, they were greeted with laughter and cheers of approval!  Some confession! - more like a boast to build her cred with the racists she was "confessing" to!

Wow, 19 words, 3 lies, for a "Journo-piss" rating of 19/3, or a lie every 6.3 words - not bad!

"He's not someone who has experienced some of the things I've experienced through life, being a person of color," Sherrod said.

OK, Obama is going to loosen up her squeak hole for that missive. She just questioned his racial "authenticity" as a black man. Does anyone still want to say Sherrod has moved beyond race and is now a post-racial person?

"MSNBC has finally hired a person of Color to host a show on their network."

So what you're saying here is, Sherrod will still be working for the government, after all?

Ace,

I can't speak for the other "ranters", as I am not calling for insurrection, but can't we just use the media in the same way the left does?

Why do we have to play by these nice guys finish last rules when it comes to defending out positions in the media.

Breitbart's video was incomplete, big woop, lets move on. The left turns this shit out every ten minutes without skipping a beat. If we do the same, it doesn't make them us. We're not killing people, we're not overturning the constitution or law, we are simply playing by the new rules to win elections.

Times have changed. A likeable Reagan couldn't win today. The media may have been left leaning in the 1980s, but they still accepted the idea that they at least needed to appear unbiased. Today that concept is gone. The media openly roots for the democrats as seen in the 2008 election and has even gone a step further and open pushes for the liberal democrats as seen in the Democratic primary.

I am not saying we need to constantly make shit up, but let's self flagellate over every minor screw up, as this AB video was.

I don't see the media apologizing for lying about the "N" word supposedly being thrown at John Lewis, instead I see the media repeating it daily.

 They bask in thier lies. We don't need to go to that extreme.

"He's not someone who has experienced some of the things I've experienced through life, being a person of color," Sherrod said.

He hasn't gotten fired for running his mouth too much...yet...

It was 24 years ago and she wasn't working at the Department of Agriculture at that time.

That's what Breitbart absolutely should retract...the opening text. She was not working for the federal government at the time. That part of the edited tape is false.

So let's draw a comparison between this jerk and our favorite ex-Senator Robert Byrd. Much accurate fun can be had with that. Two former(?) racists that supposedly changed their ways, and found a cozy home. And who play the race card as it suits them today.One more than the other, due to Byrds' being metaphysically challenged.

"...he took a long time talking, but he was trying to show me he was superior to me. I know what he was doing."

Note that she said "I KNOW," not "I knew."  She still feels that whites try to show they are superior to her by... well, what, exactly?  Trying to thoroughly explain their situation?

Not only an unrepentant bigot, but batshit crazy, to boot.

What the fuck does Democracy have to do with someone who sued her way into a job, illegally discriminated on racial grounds; outed herself, and was fired, then offered her job back with promotion?

Wasn't someone on this blog just pissed off the other night about commenters who question patriotism and American bona-fides?  Was that this same guy who's hectoring everyone about love of democracy right now?

Just askin'.

"MSNBC has finally hired a person of Color to host a show on their network."

What does MSNBC have against albinos?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 22, 2010 01:20 PM (T0NGe)

I agree for the most part.  The left has created a narrative that has existed for years that the right is uncaring and heartless.  It's been effective and they decided to double down on that narrative as evidenced by the Journalist discourse.

The racist boat they launched to such fanfare was in danger of turning over on them over this story and they panicked, big time. 

If ever the racist label stuck to the left it would be over for them.  They exist at the pleasure of the minorities the purport to serve.  Being labeled racist and having that label stick would set them back a hundred years.

"A person of color."

Is that supposed to be like... say... a colored person?

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 01:29 PM (KUUXH)

Ummm... we meant angry at the liberals...

Posted by: Waterhouse at July 22, 2010 01:23 PM (mQ8O/)

Yeah, I got the memo... it's just all those mounded corpses they keep digging up in the former Gulags that kinda bother me!

Christ why are conservatives so gutless and weak these days?

Ace!  Man, step away from the ALL-CAPS buttons.  It'll only lead to excessive usage of the exclamation point (!!!!!) and we all know what the end-game when that happens will be.

Yes, chronic masterbation over a picture of Nancy Pelosi, whilst you scream:  "I'LL! SHOW! YOU! HOW! ANGRY! I! AM!  PALAMINO THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Bad enough when it happened the last time.  We can't afford to treat you for free again.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 01:20 PM (KUUXH)

Great.  So, I wonder what you and Ann have to say about Sherrod's racial attack on her critics, both in the speech and after?  How does that strike you?  Beautiful?  Charming?  How about her attacks on Fox - who tried to have her come on and give her side (though it was after her "friends" had already denounced and fired her).

Coulter, clearly, was only trying to be nicer to Sherrod than her alleged "friends" were - as a wedge of sorts.  She wasn't trying to be truthful about the NAACP speech.

"Even if those douchebags did manage to get that car into that van, how the fuck was that chick supposed to get out of the car?"

They need her in there.  Somebody's gonna have to steer (or, not-steer) it back out when they get where they're going.

"Alright, Kim!  We'll see you when we get there!  Remember:  try to take small, shallow breaths."

"A person of color."

 Is that supposed to be like... say... a colored person?

Ahhhhh, that reminds me of the good old days when Berke Breathed was still funny. *sigh*

I don't see the media apologizing for lying about the "N" word supposedly being thrown at John Lewis, instead I see the media repeating it daily.

 They bask in thier lies. We don't need to go to that extreme.

Posted by: Carpusher McSteery at July 22, 2010 01:32 PM (mQ8O/)

Heh.  Sounds like they would have had a second opportunity to hear the jackass bellow "Why did you turn!?!?"

I was just re-reading the comments. Where did the Turner Diary references come from? I don't recall anyone here claiming Jewish International bankers controlled the government and needed to be overthrown, or anyone calling for an armed insurrection or Tom Friedman dictatorship for a day.

A bit extreme, no?

"I can easily imagine seeing this U-Haul tipped on its side a few miles down the road once the load shifts unexpectedly."

Dude.  I had a bungee.

Meanwhile, the Public Option is about to get rammed down our throats.

Funny, I was just thinking “meanwhile what is really happening right now that the media is doing all it can to keep suppressed by pushing this story and having the conservative sites distracted by debating it endlessly.” At first I thought it was journolist 2.0-the cabal, trying to distract from the story about them, but now I’m not so sure.

"I can easily imagine seeing this U-Haul tipped on its side a few miles down the road once the load shifts unexpectedly."

You just had to go and give me a reason to wish they'd been successful, didn't you?

"I can easily imagine seeing this U-Haul tipped on its side a few miles down the road once the load shifts unexpectedly."

You just had to go and give me a reason to wish they'd been successful, didn't you?

The walls of those use haul trucks are thin. It is essentially compressed board that can't be more than 1/2 to 1/4 inch thick. The car would have just rolled right through it on a sharp turn like a person running through paper mache.

"He's not someone who has experienced some of the things I've experienced through life, being a person of color," Sherrod said.

Would a fucking white person be considered a person of color? Just checkin'.

Kemp, what do you suggest? What the fuck do any of you ranters suggest?

Personally, I vote for strippers.  But that might just be me.

I always hear lurking in these outbursts: "WE SHOULDN'T *HAVE* TO EVEN ARGUE ABOUT THESE THINGS!"

Well, technically speaking we probably shouldn't have to, considering that most conservative ideas are based on facts, logic and methods that have track records of proven success.

Whereas most progressive ideas are based on some fuzzy feel good BS that never works, never has worked and never will work but I guess it must do wonders for your self-esteem because people for whatever reason still seem to keep pushing it despite the fact that it's total nonsense.

So yes, I get the frustation of many of my fellow conservatives here, that your constantly pointing to facts that get ignored and the libertard moonbats are always bad mouthing you, tearing you down, and trying to convince everyone your evil simply because you don't share their views.

But your point is well taken.  We have to keep stating the truth, over and over and over again, and hope that eventually it starts to sink in.  Sadly our alternatives just aren't all that attractive at all.

Would a fucking white person be considered a person of color?

I dunno, but they'd be shitty decision makers.

The left manages to control the narrative not only because they have the media in their pocket, which is bad enough, but they also control the terms and conditions of the narrative.  And we allow them to do it.

This fucking story is not about Sherrod.  She will come out of this never having to hit another lick and on top of that she will be famous.

She might, if we allow this issue to continue to be about Sherrod, become the next Rosa Parks.  And then we should all have our asses removed for being utterly, stupidly gullible.

The story is that the NAACP shit on her, and then administration shit on her.

Breitbart will wind up hurt by this, at least for a while, but even his role in this is peripheral to the story that the

NEARLY IMPLODED AT THE PROSPECT THAT THEY COULD BE PERCEIVED AS RACISTS.

The entire narrative that the right is racist and the Tea Party is right and violent and the left would never do any of that because they have no power against right racist violence almost collapsed.

But they have us holding it up for them - again!

Has making stupid moves in chess, unforced errors, an inability to concede that a piece may be lost and continuing to double-down on a futile and ultimately self-destructive defense, ever won a game?

There is a difference of perspective. You apparently see the opposition as opposition, as in someone to be outmaneuvered. With strategy, planning, and argument. Some of us see the opposition as a slobbering monster who is intent on killing the Republic by any means deemed necessary. We attack from all fronts and with every weapon available, a desperate fight against a relentless, mirthless, vile monster of an adversary. An adversary without thought, remorse, or a sense of decency. An adversary who will stop at nothing to put us under. An adversary who does not care for strategy or argument, only victory at any cost. The end justifies the means.

A difference in perception.

Posted by: Have Blue at July 22, 2010 12:12 PM (mV+es)

*cough* Hotair.com *cough*

Ace said,

"So what, exactly, is your alternative? Apparently being reasonable and persuasive is faggoty; so tell me, what do you have in its stead?"

Nice strawman, holy shit.  Since you addressed me by name - where the hell did I say anything was faggoty?  I'll wait on that one.

I understand how you've reasoned your way to your position, I just happen to think you're wrong.  You seem to think she's somehow redeemed herself in that speech.  I certainly don't see it.  

And then there's the fact that she was never held to account for her illegal actions back then.  She acted based on race and has since been rewarded.  She's now un-freakin-touchable. 

These are facts.  Not emotion.  Nothing knee-jerk.  Nothing untrue.  Certainly nothing in reason's "stead". 

The reality is that had a Republican or prominent conservative said the very same thing, we'd be dealing with the liberal narrative that - surprise! - we're dealing with anyway. 

Breitbart did something that could have served as an excellent and effective counter to the bullshit and hypocrisy spewed out by the MFM and NAACP almost daily, and you guys certainly didn't have his back.  This could have been even more effective couple with the Journolist leaks, but because so many on the right left AB out to dry on this one, the MFM will spin them both into irrelevance.

The left does this sort of thing routinely, and no one bats an eye at it

Indeed, they go further than that.

Remember this?

Dateline's report on Nov. 17 featured 14 min. of balanced debate, capped by 57 seconds of crash footage that explosively showed how the gas tanks of certain old GM trucks could catch fire in a sideways collision.

Following a tip, GM hired detectives, searched 22 junkyards for 18 hours, and found evidence to debunk almost every aspect of the crash sequence. Last week, in a devastating press conference, GM showed that the conflagration was rigged, its causes misattributed, its severity overstated and other facts distorted. Two crucial errors: NBC said the truck's gas tank had ruptured, yet an X ray showed it hadn't; NBC consultants set off explosive miniature rockets beneath the truck split seconds before the crash -- yet no one told the viewers.

And how did that turn out for NBC?

The settlement of the lawsuit was still being worked out almost until the program began last night, network officials said.

GoldBerg is the type of idiot that got us in this mess the begin with. This stupid idea that if conservatives do not surrender then they will be the ones who are isolated.

Goldberg is the guy that brings the knife to the gun fight, and then believes that if he lays his knife down, he won't get shot...only to find out he was shot anyway. Then the next fight he nuances it, by bringing a dull knife to the gun fight! Why is this man considered some sort of person of importance?

Hey Bernie.....here is a clue....we already have been isolated....we already rolled over a played dead...it didn't work! If independents can't find common ground with Conservatives, then screw 'em......let them go....what the hell good does it do if the independents we try to team up with...end up trying to change Conservatism to fit there middle of the road, no nothing Utopian Pipe Dreams.

I would rather die on the battle field fighting for what I believe in, instead of surrendering only to end up re-educated to fight for the enemy. A Bunch of Sissies!

If I were Breitbart, I would hit them as fast as I could with the violence card and see if that gets traction.

IMO, if he could manage to get several of the shots of union thugs smacking down on Tea Partiers and videographers he could one-two these bastards and undo a lot of the damage that he self inflicted and that we are helping the left do to him.

Just a thought.

If people (bloggers, opinion jounalists and conservative reporters) are worried about how this makes conservatives and Breitbart look...CHANGE THE DAMN NARRATIVE!

That's exactly what the freakin' left does everytime crap like this happens to them.   Jeez Louise...can't bloggers, etc. get that?   You can change the narrative.   Sherrod has plenty you can change it to.   Look into her lawsuit, and how she came to be at the USDA.   Question why the Obama adminstration is re-opening that lawsuit to allow for more claims to be brought.   A hell of a lot more than there are, or ever were, freakin' black farmers.

You don't have to defend AB, if you don't want to.   Just change the damn narrative.   Put the emphasis where the hell it needs to be diverted to.

@324

Ace,

Goldberg never left the Frum Wing. As a matter of fact....isn't about time for Frum and Goldberg to go some bowling?

But not this stupid tape, which is, apparently, like the most important thing in the history of history to some of you.

well, not this paticular tape, but Star Whores on Beta-max? awesome

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 01:56 PM (KUUXH)

In the original formulation, only 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government was filled using democratic processes.

Democracy is not what the US is about.  It never has been.  European party-oriented parliamentary systems without any separations of power are more for people who love democracy.  That's why the dems love Europe. 

We are more in favor of a strictly limited and directed federal government, here.  Constitutionality is in conflict, often, with Democracy - as the masses don't like their whims limited any more than the arms of government do.  You have to pick one.  I am not a democracy lover, myself.  Democracy brings things like ineligible commanders-in-chief who do irreparable damage as they are taking this country apart.

Is this dishonest?  Yes.  Honesty doesn't work any more. 

If that is true, then we've already lost. 

>>This Sherrod woman is like someone who is accused of a misdemeanor. Turns out she is innocent of that misdemeanor, more or less anyway, but is guilty of 5 other misdemeanors and 3 felonies, and still counting, and yet is regarded by many as a victim deserving an apology and even by some as a heroine deserving accolades.. Total intellectual and moral bankruptcy.

I think the jury is out on just how many.  And that's the beauty of the situation we are in right now, particularly if Breitbart makes an apology to Sherrod and Sherrod only, this issue will go on and on and on.  The apology can be one of those non-apologies that politicians are so famous for "If anything I did caused Ms Sherrod pain I apologize" and the whatever focus was on him shifts to her.

I think that the more people focus on the entire tape the less sympathetic she looks.  Not just to us but to any fair minded person.

And Obama still looks weak, indecisive and totally fuckled on racial issues.  Take a look at the Gibbs presser today.  He is still getting hammered on this issue and it is stepping all over his attemtpt to paint the Republicans as evil for not voting for unpaid for unemployment benefits.  A twofer.

We are on offense on this issue even if it doesn't feel like it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at July 22, 2010 02:08 PM (UOM4

Will you two get a room for cripes sake?  You're corrupting the children.

Gutless and weak. Gutless and weak because I watched the full tape and then saw, as Coulter did, as Beck did, as Krauthammer did, as Goldberg did, as Lowry did, as everyone did, virtually, that it did not establish what it claimed to establish, and that it was, by nature of its cuts, fraudulent.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 01:46 PM (KUUXH)

I absolutely disagree with that. The tape showed Sherrod admitting to refusing to help a family that was losing their farm because of their race. The couple called her back 7 days before their farm was sold on the courthouse steps and Sherrod finally did what she refused to do in the first place because of her racism.

What brought to family to the edge of losing their farm was  Sherrods admitted racism. I am not going to applaud her or credit her for her come to jesus moment and finally doing her job.

351 I'd give Shirly Sherrod a microphone and let her go to town.

Posted by: wtfci at July 22, 2010 02:08 PM (R4rMI)

Dammed good idea.

If that is true, then we've already lost. Posted by: Stuck On Stupid at July 22, 2010 02:10 PM (e8T35)

Why, YES!  Yes, we HAVE!

Posted by: KG at July 22, 2010 02:15 PM (S8TF5)

I do, he's talking about the fact that we have differing views on a tape and instead of arguing about the tape it turns into a question of ones motives. I don't understand that tactic and it doens't help anyone.

It looks like we lose no matter what.

when we play by their rules, we lose fellow travlers like ace, when we play by our rules we lose to the media and the left.

Maybe our world view just doesn't have a chance, at its core it has a competative disadvantage.

The last I will say on this subject.

The left peeked out from under their mask and someone took a picture.

They were seen for who they really are.

But the story became the guy who took the picture.

And we must now all agree that the guy who took the picture is a jackass or we share in the crime.

A f--king mazing.

Posted by: ace

Join the club. I try to stop innocent children from being massacred for the sake of convenience, and I'm labeled as being the death of the party.

Posted by: curious at July 22, 2010 02:07 PM (p302b)

uh, no.   Turn the narrative totally away from Breitbart, and put it on Sherrod and the USDA.   Hell of a lot of questions that need to be answered there.

>>I confess that I have absolutely no idea what ace is talking about.

This might help.

If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will come to believe it.

 Joseph Geobbels

It is one of the basic tenats of fascist propoganda and it's not surprise the left has been using for years.  Many of the early propogandists of the far left were hard core commies and fascists.

You don't want to go down that road or you become what you despise.

"I confess that I have absolutely no idea what ace is talking about."

Don't sweat it, neither does he.

Is this dishonest?  Yes.  Honesty doesn't work any more. 

If that is true, then we've already lost. 

Posted by: Stuck On Stupid at July 22, 2010 02:10 PM (e8T35)

This is why I keep saying that the left, and The Precedent, specifically, has done irreparable damage to us and our nation.  There are many ways to get from order to chaos, but the path back is very, very narrow and difficult.  The Precedent has been doing nothing but introducing chaos into every American process and institution he can get to, and he has been allowed to do this.  Legislatively, in foreign affairs, in military matters, in finance, economic stances, US sovereignty, ... and the MFM have enthusiastically contributed the same in the media and our public discourse.  It is hard to think of any American traditions that have not been trampled on by The Precedent, any taboos that have not been broken by him.  This sort of stuff doesn't just go away.

Ace...I think we just want some of the big names to stand-up and shout from the roof tops that WE ARE NOT GONNA TAKE ANYMORE, and after 3 days of weak sauce eminating from some of our most staunch allies; our disappointment is palpable. You're right, an oppportunity to bring these issues to a head may be finally upon us however the old limp wristed talky, talk eminating from every crack of the MFM on both sides is not gonna put an end to the nonsense. As Nam Grunt said in a previous post:   These mofo's are going down now if we can cut off the head of the snake in charge, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE PUSHING THE RACE CARD, not us!!

NO Quarter! 
  

Are you dense?

Trigemestrus (or whatever) just told me this:

>>>>>>Second, repetition counts. This is why doubling down matters. If you repeat it enough, it's true.

That is the fucking definition of Totalitarianism.

What's this crap with "Gee, what's ace talking about?"

Yeah that is clearly insane Goebbels-esque type stuff, but do you  really think 4-5 anonymous posters here are leading the party or "movement" in that direction? The right tends to be individualistic, so you will have a bunch of different people with differing ideas that aim for the same goal, some of those ideas are a bit unsavory, but don't let lead you to believe that is where we are  headed.

The fact remains that the right in america is the least dogmatic and totalitarian political "group" there is. That is not say they don't have any vestigages of it, but it a much smaller percentage than other political movements in america.

There are some people you will never convince Ace, you should just brush their comments off your shoulder and just resign yourself to the fact that you might find their ideas creepy or wrong, but be releived by the fact they will never have the reigns of power within the "movement"

You try lying all day long and doing nothing but crude messaging and you see how long you can keep that up for.

Tell me about it!

 The 'regulars' usually beat off the trolls and sniff out the mobies, but if you're in a thread we'll give you the pleasure.

 take care of this troll!

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 02:27 PM (KUUXH)

Well I for one am glad you don't do that. I may disagree with you sometimes but I am not going to question your motives because we disagree. While it's not very likely, I could be wrong.

Posted by: wtfci at July 22, 2010 02:28 PM (R4rMI)

Thank you.  I agree, can you help me? My leg is stuck.

 >>I don't believe anyone here is advocating any form of totalitarianism. But many see their freedoms eroded daily, and playing by the rules seems to count for nothing. A feeling of desperation sets in. A cornered animal is vicious.

Yea, I agree with this.  I think people are pissed off and tired of the fight.  Which is a shame because the tide is most definitely turning and we are in a position to bring this crap to a halt starting in November.

This is no time to lose our shit and start pushing away people who are thinking about swinging back to our side.  I've never seen people get so upset over winning a big issue before.

You try lying all day long and doing nothing but crude messaging and you see how long you can keep that up for.

I don't know, how many years has media matters been around?

Okay, Goebbels, got it.

Wait, is ace saying that he's afraid of Goebbels-like indoctrination.... from our side?

Well, the idea of continually repeating lies until they believed as Soviet-Goebbels like ideas.

It is creepy.

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

You have to agree with me on that, no?

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 22, 2010 02:36 PM (HuSuT)

Get lost, troll!

(I keed, I keed.)

328 - If people (bloggers, opinion jounalists and conservative reporters) are worried about how this makes conservatives and Breitbart look...CHANGE THE DAMN NARRATIVE!

---------

F'ing this!  I don't give a damn who is and isn't a pussy, or any of the other shit ace is strawmaning over.  I'd rather conservatives learn a lesson from the left and chane the narrative.  I'm sick of the left pushing conservatives into a corner and forcing us to respond to their bullshit!

This bullshit about if they're not with us, 'fuck 'em' won't get us anywhere.  Get the story back on our side and don't let the cock-gobblers on the left take it over.  If you're able to do that the unwashed masses will follow.

TXMarko at July 22, 2010 02:32 PM (OWqTy)

You keep beating me to points I'm trying to make and I am going to tell everyone you're a racist.

Ace, nobody is asking you to lie.   At least, I don't think they are.   Do you have to lie to try to change the narrative away from Breitbart?   Hell, can't you even question what the hell is going on within the NAACP, and why they're calling out the tea partiers as racists when we ll know they damn sure are?   Do you not think that the Sherrod lawsuit against the USDA actually having been closed, but now re-opened by the Obama administration to pay out even more reparations (because that's what it is) is important to know.   How did she get her appointment?   And, why did she get a special payout?    Why did the administration freak the hell out over all this?

Do you not think those are questions that need to be asked?   

You try lying all day long and doing nothing but crude messaging and you see how long you can keep that up for.

I don't know, how many years has media matters been around?

I was thinking PuffHo and DU, myself.... 

The problem appears to be the sheer number of Feelers versus Thinkers in the Population.  

Conservatives have allowed themselves to be pushed farther and farther back while enjoying our luxurious lifestyle.  The Left worked tirelessly to indoctrinate the masses, and they succeeded.

And no one is going to convince the masses they are not thinking properly.

You keep beating me to points I'm trying to make and I am going to tell everyone you're a racist.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2010 02:38 PM (VW9/y)

I'm in your head, and boy is it roomy in here!!  :-P

I will not claim to speak for everyone, but I will say this.

"But they aren't.  The Democrats have been winning elections on appeals to emotion, distortions, lies, and thuggery.  They have changed the game.  We have to learn to play their game or we won't get to play at all."

This is what has turned a lot of us off to the Democratic Party.  This is what has caused us to not only dismiss liberalism / progressivism, but to decide to actively fight against it.

If we start doing it ourselves, we get nowhere.  We become a shit sandwich with bacon and cheddar, as opposed to the shit sandwich with swiss and mushrooms that we declined to eat.

I cling to morals.  Absolute morals.  Dare I say...Christian morals.  Without those, I am nothing.

Without those, we are nothing.

@348

Ace,

I undertand the fear, and by no means am I saying your incorrect, or that I don't respect the idea.

But consider this....How do we fight a Forest Fire that most certainly is going to burn down the house.

1.) We could Fight Fire with Fire, and Start Fires in front of the coming Fire Sorm (Dirty Lieing & Cheating Offensive manuvers)

2.) We could run around and attempt to put out each amber that leads the Fire Storm, and hope the wind changes direction. (Honest Defense with one hand tied behind our back)

3.) We could unite, form a fire line, and start digging trenches, and cutting down trees in front of the fire storm. (Voting and Protest) 

4.) We could run away and let the house burn down (Do nothing and play dead)

When it's my house...I got no problem #1 if I know it will work, of course the wind could pick up, change direction and the fire that I started could end up being the fire that burns my house down.

At which point do we decide to move from #2 & #3 to number #1?

334 Damn windoze sucks, the first time I tried to paste a quote I instead got a huge block of C code I was working on before lunch.
--------------------

"working on" = "preparing to post to http://thedailywtf.com/", doesn't it?

"You are casting your unreasonable refusal to view the evidence dispassionately as a "strength" -- chiefly, "courage," when in fact it is close to the precise opposite."

Whoever said you're arguing against strawmen was spot on. You're also presenting yourself and your argument as unassailable and that anyone with whom you disagree is being unreasonable or some emotional knee-jerk totalitarian.  You're taking the worst arguments and responding to those in an overwrought way.

I didn't know you came from the left, but this sort of argumentative tactic backs that up. 

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 02:38 PM (KUUXH)

You are the one trying to shut down dialogue with screams of totalitarian thought control, and I will take my ball and go home if you guys keep talking this way.

You also missed the part about the truth vs lying, or does that not matter anymore?

Is it the 'Tone' of our argument that is the deal breaker here? What's actually being said is secondary? David Frum would understand that point, but most of us don't much care for it.

BTW... she is a racist!

The right tends to be individualistic...

Does it?

Are we still telling ourselves that?

Yes. I still believe it, even if you don't. I don't tend to base my judgement of the right in America on a few bloggers, commentators, or people who post at ace of spades blog.  When i hear a poster here call Jonah Goldberg( who i love), a liberal or traitor, I don't say to myself, "dear god all conservatives are totalitarians." I say to myself, "that person is just misguided in angry and isn't of consequence to the overall movement".

You said you've stopped being a liberal because of the totalitarian impulses, well leave the conservatives for that same reason, go join the Libertarians, then leave them when you see where their followers lead, and to the next movement, until you are all alone, the perfect person, above politics, all alone with your maximalist principles keeping you warm while the rest of us live in the real world where you have to deal with things and people as they are, imperfect.

i know the republicans aren't perfect and I know the conservatives aren't either. I was once a liberal too, and decided to call myself a conservative because overall they were he best option given the choices.

The "weak sauce" you speak of is the fact that your staunchest allies have the strength to do what you cannot: Re-evaluate the evidence and confess error.

People tend to cast their failings as strengths in their minds. You are casting your unreasonable refusal to view the evidence dispassionately as a "strength" -- chiefly, "courage," when in fact it is close to the precise opposite.

Eh...not buying it Ace...everyone here agrees that a rush to judgemnet was made with Sherrod, we just don't think it should be an excuse to be polly-annish on all the other issues surrounding the debacle. Also, please spare me the psycho-babble, I'm about as deep and  reflective as a Manhatten pot hole after 2ft of snow.

@354,

DrewM,

Sorry...wrong Goldberg...I thought we were talking about the other one...My Bad!

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 12:26 PM (KUUXH)

The difference is in focus.Yours obviously is in strategy, enlisting voters to our cause, and also rightfully policing your blog for what you see as fair content and comment.

I am just expressing my own opinion, which isn't formulated for any other reason than to express it in the interactive  dialogue that you provide.

Unlike you, I'm not looking to enlist anybody. I disagree that it's about Breitbart, Sherrod (an admitted former racist at least), but it's about the NAACP, which is by definition about advancing a race, and therefore racist.

I don't believe in giving an inch when I believe I'm right, and I can live with being called an asshole for it.

I also think you are concerned (where in this case I'm not) about Breitbart, an obvious asset to the Right, carelessly squandering his reputation. If you see the difference in the focus as noted above, You'll get why I'm not. And I would add neither is AB and as of today's show, Rush.

Don't worry Ace "our cause" is making headway, and this is a damn fine place to opine, vent and have tons of fucking healthy belly laughs.

There is zero evidence this works, and yet people's faith in it is unshakable.

If only we would all agree to just keep repeating the same stuff, then we would start winning.

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 02:36 PM (KUUXH)

I'll console myself with this the next time I have conversations with my liberal friends about America's "war for oil," Bush's "tax cuts for the rich," and the "ban on stem cell research." 

Those guys lost big this past election, didn't they?

>>Here's a simple question, then:  when was the last time any Democrat politican or media person admitted they were wrong about anything? 

Tom Vilsack, Barack Obama and Robert Gibbs all day yesterday for acting stupidly.

Seriously, why are so many unwilling to accept the win?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at July 22, 2010 02:54 PM (LUaw0)

I think it's because Obama is having them put more floride in the water.

But they aren't.  The Democrats have been winning elections on appeals to emotion, distortions, lies, and thuggery.  They have changed the game.  We have to learn to play their game or we won't get to play at all. 

Again, I have to disagree.  We don't need to resort to those tactics to win.  Reagan completely destroyed Mondale, and didn't need to pull any of that crap.

Why?  Because he articulated conservative positions in a way that even people who weren't necessarily politically active or politically saavy could understand.  He talked too people, and told them how his policies, his ideas, were going to make their lives better.

When the press got in the way, he went around them, straight to the people.  That's what we need.  If anything it's easier now then when Reagan did it, thanks to the internet.

My point is if we go down the road you advocate, in the end, we become them.  Were do you think all these RINO's that plague us now came from?  They abandoned the truth and principle for whatever they thought would get them elected, they became pawns and puppets of the main stream media.  What good does it do to get someone elected who has an R behind his name if he's just going to be a big fat D in office?

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 02:45 PM (KUUXH)

But you see, Ace, she's not unknown anymore, and she damn sure matters, now.   She's developing her own narrative, and I can guarandamntee she's probably gettng help from some left wing nuts, probably the NAACP.

I get where you're coming from, honestly.   Can you not understand what some of us are trying to say?   The left is out there spinning their crap, as they always do.   We don't have to produce any spin, or lie about anything   Just ask the damn questions that need to be asked.

I don't understand why that would be so damn bad.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 22, 2010 02:56 PM (rlE47)

I fully realize this--and when your opponent is on the ropes, do you back off?

Apologize?  Explain yourself?  Ask for another chance?

There's Blood in the Water, and it ain't ours.....

Posted by: Guy Fawkes

A foxhole joke would probably be in poor taste, wouldn't it?

Posted by: ace at July 22, 2010 02:45 PM (KUUXH)

Exactly. But the federal government was moved to have her resign at the side of the road. That is what made this story huge. That was Beck's original point, too.

Any sympathy I might have had for Sherrod, was quickly eaten up by the rest of the tape and her latest comments about Fox.

"Seriously, why are so many unwilling to accept the win?"

It was ridiculously easy.  We're wary, because it smacks of "too good to be true."

Yes.  Which is precisely why it must be made!

Posted by: Sarah P. at July 22, 2010 03:01 PM (NuAIL)

And I see an asshole when I see you and your post, troll. Go highjack another post. Preferably in traffic.

Seriously, why are so many unwilling to accept the win?

 Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2010 02:55 PM (VW9/y)

Exactly de point.  Some of You People sound like the Detroit Lions

Posted by: TXMarko at July 22, 2010 02:11 PM (OWqTy)

It just made me think of my ex-wife...

I agree we don't have to, and don't need to, do that. The problem is that Republicans don't do the due diligence needed to be effective as a conservative politician, like Reagan did. Hell, too many of them don't even want to. As Codevilla said in that Spectator essay, the Republicans aren't really representing us at all that much, and that is a very big problem.

Agreed, whole heartedly.  So, should we be wasting all this vigor and venom on each other, or should we perhaps be putting some of this to good use and taking the Republican party to task and getting them back on track?

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 22, 2010 02:56 PM (rlE47)

NG, I sure hope you are right. 

Personally, I have this sick feeling that, even if Conservatives overwhelmingly win in November, that we will never see ANY of these damaging laws repealed.

It just wont happen.

Yes.  Which is precisely why it must be made!

Posted by: reason

1.It may be true that this person is now a battlefield in the war of politics, but this former Marine just found one dank foxhole that not even he would crawl into for safety!

2. Sherrod; foxhole, or crater following a below ground nuclear weapons test? You decide.

3. Sherrod: new army term for a foxhole designed for a tank

"I see Russia from my frontyard."

Oh shit.  I almost forgot that conservatives were idiots.  Damn.

*immediately changes his voter registration to Democrat*

Personally, I have this sick feeling that, even if Conservatives overwhelmingly win in November, that we will never see ANY of these damaging laws repealed.

Breaking news, Reid says he is shelving Cap and Trade indefinitely.

As Jesse would say, Keep Hope Alive!

Posted by: curious at July 22, 2010 03:00 PM (p302b)

WTF? Did you really say dry cleaner and then almond shaped eye? 

"Breaking news, Reid says he is shelving Cap and Trade indefinitely.

 Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2010 03:10 PM (VW9/y)"

That's not a good sign.  They always say this and then people breathe a sigh of relief and let their guard down and within two weeks it's law.

<i>SherrodÂ’s racist tale is received by the NAACP audience with nodding approval and murmurs of recognition and agreement. Hardly the behavior of the group now holding itself up as the supreme judge of another groupsÂ’ racial tolerance.</i>

<i>The reaction from <b>many in the audience</b> is disturbing. We will be looking into the behavior of NAACP representatives at this local event and take any appropriate action.</i>

(bolding mine)

Does anything in the full tape of the speech change that reaction?  No.

And it can't, anymore than Yassir Arafat donating blood erases the footage of Palestinians celebrating 9/11.

Kemp - the important twist that we must make when employing the rule is this:

When the left does it, they are usually fabricating and misleading their audience when they construe a soundbite as racist.

When the right does it, we must make sure that it actually *does* indicate racism.

The Sherrod tape, and surrounding mess, is a little fuzzy.  She talks about being racist with a perceptible, yet unquantifiable, sense of legitimacy in her actions.  But the story is a "turning point"story, where she rejects racism and embraces Marxism.  And in her follow-on interviews, she does not put herself into a good light.  So trying to figure out how to grapple with it is a little dicey.

@525

Basically what that means is they are adding the real damaging stuff behind the scenes, and when they finish writing it behind closed doors, they jam it through.

Cap & Trade will never die, it is one of the main goal of the agenda since the 60's

Posted by: curious at July 22, 2010 03:10 PM (p302b)

But, but... Its all for the children!!!11!!  :-)

Witness the Lefts recent comments on extending Unemployment benefits to almost 2 freakin' years, painting the 'Pubs as heartless and cruel...

... and the MFM and 'feelers' just lap it right up.

"WTF? Did you really say dry cleaner and then almond shaped eye? 

Posted by: some guy asking a stupid racist question at July 22, 2010 03:12 PM (YVZlY)"

My dry cleaner is Korean.  He works his but off everyday in his small business.   Best dry cleaner on earth bar none and man is this guy well educated and a critical thinker.  how else was I going to get across the fact that he is a korean american and he gets it and is watching and participating.  I'm not prejudiced or a bigot so I had to thread carefully.  I have the united nations of friends and I love it and I also get exposed to a lot of fascinating ideas, history lessons about other countries and food from grandmas who take pity on their grandkids and the grandkids thankfully share.

http://tinyurl.com/23jvd2c

Jeff Goldstein is spot on with this. 

WTF? Did you really say dry cleaner and then almond shaped eye? 

Posted by: some guy asking a stupid racist question at July 22, 2010 03:12 PM (YVZlY)

...I had to read it twice, funneh shit

I now denounce my self.

You're not gonna start calling for bag limits on hobos, are ya?

You're not gonna start calling for bag limits on hobos, are ya?

That's OK with me, skinning them is wearing me out. 

Just no limits on Valu rite!

"Indefinitely", of course, meaning precisely 106 days.

We'll see.  I sense real fear coming from the donks and I'm not convinced they are going to go charging into a lame duck session after getting beaten senseless in the election.

Does anything in the full tape of the speech change that reaction?  No.

And it can't, anymore than Yassir Arafat donating blood erases the footage of Palestinians celebrating 9/11.

Posted by: Adriane at July 22, 2010 03:14 PM (+NfQM)

We have BINGO!

Posted by: Vic at July 22, 2010 03:30 PM (/jbAw)

Screw you, Gramps!

@548

We are a free in this country becuase the founding father did not talk about revolution...they just sat around and talked about Lindsey Lohan...they couldn't believe she would dye her hair that color.....I think there was mention of Gay Marriage in their dicussions too!

Posted by: Ben at July 22, 2010 03:35 PM (wuv1c)

You mean "Why I left the right"?

Ace, don't become Charles Johnson as if that is the only option.

If you really feel that way, just put out a list of people you want to leave and I am sure most if not all would go voluntarily, including myself if asked.

I wouldn't want to see this site become LGF when it doesn't have to. I can understand banning people for racism, but for being disagreeable? Just ask politely and i'm sure they'll go.

Posted by: Vic at July 22, 2010 03:30 PM (/jbAw)

Screw you, Gramps!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at July 22, 2010 03:32 PM (5aa4z)

I try to save the personal stuff for my pron browsing, this stuff  here is more like amonious or unanimous or like when ya don't know who the fuck I was.

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 22, 2010 03:48 PM (rlE47)

Like I said amonious!

"So, you know, if you want to stick around, start watching for general tone"

That's a mighty slippery slope to try and navigate especially when "general tone" will be based on the perception of just one person. It's obviously your blog and you can ban all the people you want, but there is a lot of sarcasm on this blog that could easily be interpreted the wrong way.  Will there be some 'tone' where it will be obvious that it crossed your line?  Yes. Will there be some 'tone' where you ban someone and a lot of us will sit back and go WTF? Maybe.

You may want to point out some actual examples from this particular thread today so people are clear what your criteria is. Otherwise, "general tone" is a big fucking ocean.

Please note that this is just an observation and is JMHO written in the most friendly of terms.  

Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at July 22, 2010 03:34 PM (rlE47)

Or frustrate him and hand him one of the wrong caliber...

 The prime example of flame war that comes to mind occurred a couple of weeks ago on one of the Monty doom threads.

Must've happened after I left for work.  I can never seem to get up enough energy to be a complete asshole until after lunch.

I must have missed that. I love Monty's morning threads.

Posted by: Vic at July 22, 2010 04:07 PM (/jbAw)

FIFY.

I think most of us who are getting mean and nasty are sometimes just taking out our frustrations with this administration on these threads.  You know, these folks are kind of like family, and we feel free to work out our anger without being afraid of being censored. 

Yeah, sometimes we go overboard, but heck, we all feel pretty helpless some days because we see the havoc that is being wreaked by these imbeciles in D.C. (some of whom claim to be on our side), and we can't do anything about it until November.

A lot of us are just letting off steam....

Ace,

When you start banning people, remember there are two Kemps and I'm the other one. =)

I don't mutter darkly about violence, well, usually. I've seen enough of it in my professional life. I DO acknowledge it is a historic inevitability. The entire world is backsliding to authoritarianism and tribalism. That never goes peacefully.

I'm actually just trying to enjoy my quality of life before civilization collapses, I'm in gunfights three days a week, and I can't get decent Chinese take-out any longer.

Posted by: Trimegistus at July 22, 2010 02:36 PM (HuSuT)

I'm not in total disagreement with your statement in the sense that I think we need a disciplined consistent message hammered home and repeated but where your example falls down is that it would need a fair shake by the media. And that is, by definition, unachievable with the current media. If they merely repeated the message, lie or not, as they do with the democrats, it might work. But they will not. They will open entire new bureaus tasked with exposing your 'lies'. That's what the fuckers do. And they do this, all the while screeching that there needs to be a level playing field. Fuck the media.

Lost a long post about the importance of Republicans actually telling the truth, as opposed to lots of words meaning very little, before deciding we're just going to have to lie like the Dems.  Got an error saying Blogger is banned.  Anyone else getting that? Assuming anyone actually reads this.

In case the person asking bout USDA loans checks back.

My late husband and I had one of those loans for five years, after which we sold the house to move out of state.  The interest rate started at about 2.5% and there was indeed no down payment or PMI.  We are both white and bought in north western CO, since race was mentioned as a possible issue.  We also had a 700+ credit score and had to show proof of income, although too much income is frowned upon. There was also a hard cap on house price, and they were very serious about it.  I think we got the only decently maintained house in town that fell under the cap. 

How it works is that the loans are only available in small towns and the interest rate is subsidized based on income.   As our income increased the subsidy decreased until it went away altogether.  If the house is sold for a profit there is a formula to figure out how much of the subsidy has to be repaid.  My husband was an accountatn so he handled that bit and I don't know specifics, only that we were penalized for having paid ahead.