1 heh

2 The left's got nothing but lies.

3 Now really, c'mon.

4 It pays to read....in any case this should (in a sane word) stand up, but I wouldn't be shocked if it made it all the way to the Supremes.

5 Sounds totally reasonable to me.No wonder liberals hate it.

6 Every time I pass by bus stops and parking lots with lots of little brown men standing around I have an urge to stop and ask them for their papers.Seriously in NY and NJ there are areas that resemble Mexico.

7 What kills me about this whole thing is the protesters out there in front of the AZ capital.

Hey, let's get a bunch of illegals to protest the new illegal immigrations law, and riot!

What could go wrong?

They should have sent ICE through that crowd and cleaned house.

8 Started moving assets to AZ a year ago. TA-DA!!!

9 Every time I pass by bus stops and parking lots with lots of little brown men standing around I have an urge to stop and ask them for their papers.Seriously in NY and NJ there are areas that resemble Mexico.

Posted by: steevy at April 26, 2010 09:15 PM (tQUEM)

We call these areas "Home Depot."

10 What fewer people have noticed is the phrase "lawful contact," which defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. "That means the officer is already engaged in some detention of an individual because he's violated some other law," says Kris Kobach, a University of Missouri Kansas City Law School professor who helped draft the measure.

No, it is not necessarily the case that "lawful contact" means the individual has already broken some other law.  It could be, for instance, being questioned by an officer about a disturbance reported at the neighbor's.  The individual may be completely innocent of anything at all, and yet there's that "lawful contact" which may get him deported.

11

"The bill was drafted in expectation that the open-borders crowd would almost certainly bring a lawsuit. It's drafted to withstand judicial scrutiny."

And how exactly did they do that part again?

Prop 187

HELLO!?

12 Anyone who employs these people is a huge part of the problem.Paint your own fucking house or gets friends to help.I've never hired one of these guys and never will.

13

Some of these people have no idea what the Nazis did or what the Gestapo would do to their sorry asses. Whining about encroaching on their rights would get them shot in the head.

14 The individual may be completely innocent of anything at all, and yet there's that "lawful contact" which may get him deported.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 26, 2010 09:17 PM (Gk/wA)

if he's here illegally, he's not all that innocent. kick his ass back to where ever he came from.

15 My question is: Can they use the language they are speaking rather then race? Seems reasonable to me, if to become a legal citizen you have to speak English.

16 Major Hochstetter hardest hit.

17 Some of these people have no idea what the Nazis did or what the Gestapo would do to their sorry asses.

They always go Godwin because the Left only deals in extremes. There's no middle ground for them.

18
But the illegal alien running the meth lab will be afraid to provide police with information about the illegal alien who shot the store clerk to get money to pay for sex at the illegal whore house. That's why the Arizona law is outrageous.

19 During a traffic stop other infractions of the law are also routinely checked, such as registration, status of vehicle, despite the fact the stop was occasioned by a driving infringement. So why not check other possible law-breaking that is readily verifiable?

20 Texas and other states should hurry up and adopt the same law so that Arizona isn't left swinging in the wind.

21 if he's here illegally, he's not all that innocent. kick his ass back to where ever he came from.

I agree - but he's innocent with regard to any crime associated with the initial "lawful contact".

My real problem is that the same reasoning may be used here at home.  What if, for instance, there was a law that said: "For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agencyÂ…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is a member of a dangerous right-wing seditious militia, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the militia membership status of the personÂ…"

I agree wholeheartedly that illegals have broken the law.  I just don't want to see the law enforced via tactics that we will all live to regret later on with respect to our own liberties.

22 He is a suspect! You are a suspect! I am a suspect!

23 My nephew in Phoenix says that they have as many Canadians there as Hispanics. He can't wait to see if they remember how to mow a lawn. I wonder if they will ask for people's papers when they detect a hint of a Canadian accent? At any rate, between this and the new gun law, I expect people in AZ to start being really, really polite. ;^)

24 I love AZ. CHA CHA CHA!!!!!

25 The first stop for this law is going to be the 9th circuit, right.

26 19 But the illegal alien running the meth lab will be afraid to provide police with information about the illegal alien who shot the store clerk to get money to pay for sex at the illegal whore house. That's why the Arizona law is outrageous.

Posted by: Barris Obamacus at April 26, 2010 09:23 PM

---------

No the illegal alien running a meth lab could talk to cops on the streets and such and not get into trouble as long as he didnt spit on the sidewalk or something..

27 20 Sanctuary states like NY and NJ simply are not allowed to check.I'm not sure they can check even if a person is being held awaiting trial for a felony.

28 Heh, courtesy Instapundit: Refried Beans of Hate.

29 #22 ...so does the officer disregard any other suspicions of illegality whatevr they may be, because the initial stop was for driving with a tail light out? This is tricky territory for sure. (I'm a Kiwi, so am coming from a non-USA perspective...)  

30 The law should withstand civil rights (4th, 5th and 15th Am.) attacks.  I'm concerned about federal preemption, however.

Whether or not the law stands up in Court, it is a hell of an important political event.  Here we have a state acting like a sovereign state, not like a department of the nationalgovernment, for the first time since...I can't remember when.  that is a very good thing.

31 chemjeff, your analogy is flawed I think. Your taking an illegal activity that is on the books, and comparing it to one that is not an illegal activity. I would hope that if DC decided at some point that they have the balls to pass a law declaring Conservative groups to be the same as illegal aliens, and then to treat them the same way, that those pols would be in some fear for their safety.

I can't agree that illegal aliens and militias are equitably the same or even similar.  Doesn't mean I couldn't see the current crop of liberals in congress thinking that.

32 How do you get 12 Mexicans into a Volkswagen?

Throw in a driver license

How do you get them out?

Shout "La Migra!"

Ba-dum-dum! Thank you folks!

33 Prop 187

I wish to God they would reinstate that. It would help bring CA back into the black. Oh, wait, is that racist?

34

This is why I stay in the shadows.

 

35 your = you're stupid fingers

36

Hawks!

3-1

37 refriedpuppehtOFF!

38 No, That Arizona Law Doesn't Create a Gestapo Dragnet

What the hell am I going to do with my leather trenchcoat and Mercedes 770K now?

39 PORNO!!!

40 34 Prop 187

I wish to God they would reinstate that. It would help bring CA back into the black. Oh, wait, is that racist?

Posted by: Rum, Bitch Goddess of the Universe at April 26, 2010 09:31 PM (gofDd)

It's only racist if the speaker is the wrong color.

41 This is a very bad development for the Republican party.  Other states must not copy this legislation.
per Hugh Hewitt tonight on his radio show, or from a Twilight Zone episode.  I'm not sure which.

42

No, That Arizona Law Doesn't Create a Gestapo Dragnet

May I ask why not?

43

Instead of 'Book em Dano' It's gonna be 'Bag em and Tag em Joe'

And Randy Caddy Shack/National Lampoon Quaid goes to court flashed his Golden Globe award skips bail then gets put in jail with his wife on 100,000 bail for a 10,000 hotel tab they skipped out on . hahahahaha I like me some Randy Quaid. http://tinyurl.com/2aqphvh

44 Dragnet.  Now there was a good ol show.

45 I may visit Arizona after it gets cleaned up.

46 I don't think the argument that now illegals will be afraid to approach cops if they're witnesses to/victims of a crime. Aren't they already distrustful of the police because of the corruption in their home countries? If the policy is like LAPD's where they can't ask you your immigration status, has that really increased the number of witness/victims that step forward? I know the liberals think it does, but do the numbers support that assertion?

Besides, their "hiding in the shadows" only leaves them victim to gangs and cartels. I doubt they go to the cops under the threat of death from gang members.

47 They're raiding homes and pulling them out of their beds! They're yanking them out of classrooms and forcing them to walk back to Mexico!

Mal Loco!

Adios, muchacho!

48 Bright idea: pretend the person is trying to buy a gun.  Do that same federal instant background check thingy.  Buying a gun is a constitutional right, yet we have to get our papers checked to do it.  So what the fuck?

If you want to really get draconian, pretend the person is trying to finish his own basement.  (Complete blueprints in triplicate, yadda, yadda, plus fee.  "But I own the house."  "Fuck yourself, gringo, you need a building permit to add that outlet.")

49 The White Party. Wonder how they'll do in November?

50 This law is good because the right folks are squealing about it. It just may be 30 years too late. We shall see.

51 It's only racist if the speaker is the wrong color.

Which is white and yellow. I'm screwed.

52 as a Federalist i agree with this law, who am i to disagree with what the people Arizona think and want is best for their state? As a Federalist the same as I agreed with Rudy Giuliani's policy in NY City since the federal government would not deport people as a way to reduce crime, who am i to say what is right for the people of NY City they have elections.. When the Feds fail to do their jobs this is what we get

53

It's drafted to withstand judicial scrutiny."

NOT IF LANDS ON OUR COURT

54

damn it, why couldn't i have great powers like that!!

oh wait, i had the ucmj as a weapon........

_{(for those who don't know, the ucmj means i owned your ass if you were under my jurisdiction)}

55 UncleFacts,
1. Sedition is illegal, and I have no doubt that there's more than one leftie out there who really does believe that we're criminals for going to Tea Parties.

2. The problem is that this type of law puts the individual in the position of proving his/her innocence, when it ought to be the other way around.

3. I just don't want to even see this type of tactic get off the ground.  It strikes me as wrong & dangerous.  There are other ways to deal with the illegal immigration problem.  And no I'm not speaking in favor of amnesty.

56 48 They're raiding homes and pulling them out of their beds! They're yanking them out of classrooms and forcing them to walk back to Mexico!

Mal Loco!

Adios, muchacho!

Posted by: Carlos Johnson, poco balones verdes at April 26, 2010 09:35 PM (sYxEE)

That would be so effing awesome if they really did that.

57 Tim Burns (R) running for Jack Murtha's seat- Pennyslvania 12th district- electiion May 19. Does he need help?

58  who am i to say what is right for the people of NY City they have elections..

Who am I to say what is right for the people of the South; they have elections!

59 The problem is that this type of law puts the individual in the position of proving his/her innocence, when it ought to be the other way around.

If I'm stopped by a cop for whatever reason, he will ask to see my driver's license and proof of registration. My driver's license (in theory anyway) means I'm a legal citizen of the US. Is this not similar to someone asking me to verify my legal status?

When I start a new job, they ask me for 2 forms of ID to verify that I am a legal citizen. Same thing, isn't?

60

56  Sedition is illegal

bitch please

61

And how exactly did they do that part again?

Prop 187

HELLO!?

Been thinking the same thing.

I don't know where they get this expectation that there's some airtight way this law will "withstand judicial scrutiny" when the fucking CONSTITUTION hasn't withstood judicial scrutiny in quite a while now.

62 No, That Arizona Law Doesn't Create a Gestapo Dragnet So long as the AZ. cops can beat Al Sharpton like a Moron on a Hobo, I'll be happy.

63 24 My nephew in Phoenix says that they have as many Canadians there as Hispanics. He can't wait to see if they remember how to mow a lawn. I wonder if they will ask for people's papers when they detect a hint of a Canadian accent?

Since Canada is anally socialist, I suppose a Canadian has papers that prove he has a permit to take a shit in his own bathroom. Canadians don't sneak into the US, they have ID up the wazoo, and I don't see a lot of restaurant kitchens or landscaping businesses full of Canadians

64 Rum,
1. In some states you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license.

2. Private employers can ask for whatever qualifications they want.  They don't have the power to lock you away if you don't meet their conditions.

65 chemjeff ...surely if immigration staus is checked by the state during the traffic stop that satisfies the concern in you second point @ #56 ...

66 "A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL...MAY NOT SOLELY CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONSTITUTION."

That gives some definition to what is considered "reasonable suspicion."  However, I too have some misgivings about this.  Overall I'm for it, and hope that if there are any valid challenges to it that they fix it instead of repealing it.  But my worry is that illegals will not report crimes or agree to testify as witnesses to crimes out of fear of deportation.  That would make them sitting ducks for every kind of aggressor out there and let a lot of other criminals go free.

I also think that if they are so worried about deportation that they would allow criminals to victimize them then they have their priorities mixed up, but maybe that's just me.

67 I am a little goofy about this.  They are call illegal aliens, WTF does illegal mean? 

I'd say not legal. 

Why the shit about enforcing the laws already on the books?

If pot smokers were called illegal smokers, would there be an outrage if they were arrested?

These is fucking crazy.  Illegal means Illegal.  Why haven't they been arrested for the last 10 years??

Just don't arrest my yard boy, OK?

68 We call these areas "Home Depot."

You beat me to it.

Lawful contact doesn't mean the person has to be stopped for some some traffic violation, and reasonable suspicion means what it says and that the officer must be able to articulate exactly why he did what he did. Claiming that, "He looked Mexican and I know that lots of Mexicans are illegal," would never, ever stand up in court, nor should it because it has the potential to infringe upon the rights and privileges of any citizen or legal immigrant who looks similar.

On the other hand, it would seem reasonable to me if the officer stated, "These individuals were (a) loitering in front of Home Depot and (b) evasive in their answers when asked why they were present and what they were doing and (c) I know this Home Depot to be a location in which illegals congregate to seek day labor." In this case the officer makes contact to determine why the specific individuals are milling about, he notices behavior that makes him suspicious, and he follows up with additional questioning. It's what police officers do every single day.

69 When I start a new job, they ask me for 2 forms of ID to verify that I am a legal citizen. Same thing, isn't?

Posted by: Rum, Bitch Goddess of the Universe at April 26, 2010 09:40 PM (gofDd)

Exactly! All we need to solve the problem is have a biometric social security card. Without you can't work or you and you employer go to jail. 90% of the illegals here would be dragging their tired asses back to wherever they came from.

70

alot of people may be shocked by this but i heard on some talk show that the biggest group of illegals in the country are actually asian

maybe right, maybe wrong

_{^{maybe disney should check for citizenship IYKWIMAITYD}}

71

I'm not sure these "reasonable suspicion" and "lawful conduct" provisions pass constitutional muster quite frankly.

My only  hope is that they will strike down the few questionable provisions rather than the bill in its entirety.

Part of me has to think a lot of this was just a big bluff on the part of the state to force the Fed's hand and to quit dicking around on the matter. At the very least, it showed O that trying to pass shamnesty would be an epic failure.

 

72 I see poor eggamoobymuffin is still having trouble wrapping the mush he has for brains around the concept of "illegal".

73 yuck, jane fonda sock

74 I'm sure that the reasons that illegals won't go to the cops to report a crime is that they're afraid their immigration status will be checked and they'll be deported.

I'm sure that retribution from MS-13 or the Mexican Mafia has NOTHING to do with that!

I remember Gray Davis with his plan to provide driver licenses for illegals. He said they'd stop driving without insurance because with a license they had to buy it

Yeh, they're going to hand Flo 2 grand a year rather than send it back to the home country or spend it in a bar

75

dammit!

Hawks 3 - Preds 3

76

Who am I to say what is right for the people of the South; they have elections!

 

yeah, this law is exactly like slavery... we want to own illegals... that's the ticket.. a slave  in every garage!!11!!!

 

fuckin idiot

77 Oh, and who does this help? 

UNIONS. 

Illegals work for less and are free agents in the labor pool.  This keeps the cost of labor down, and prevents the unions from shaking down some industries.

Just thought you all would want to think about that, since Ace has started giving Econ lectures, I thought I pipe in here.

78

Toew!

Hawks 4! Preds 3

 

79 I remember some cops bragging about how they broke through the probable cause barrier. A guy they wanted to arrest was in a bar and they had no cause to question him never mind arrest him. So the found his car in the parking lot and busted his tail lights. Then they went into the bar and asked who owns car such and such. QED. This law is not a bad thing. The stuff some folks here are worried about happens all the time. Toss the illegals out. Period.

80 65 24 My nephew in Phoenix says that they have as many Canadians there as Hispanics. He can't wait to see if they remember how to mow a lawn. I wonder if they will ask for people's papers when they detect a hint of a Canadian accent?


Play hockey with quite a few Canadian escapees, great guys..all legal immigrants..

81 So can the cops pull over a guy for having a fabulous moustache?

82 Good. I want the libs to keep bitching about this. Everybody wants to stop the illegal problem except for the extreme left who want them for their permanent socialist majority. People are sick of it. Keep looking like you love illegals, democrats. I love it.

83
2. The problem is that this type of law puts the individual in the position of proving his/her innocence, when it ought to be the other way around.

Well, shit, dude. I have to show proof of insurance when I get pulled over.What the hell's the difference?

Actually there is a difference. The bar is higher for illegals because there has to be reasonable suspicion. Kinda like smelling marijuana during a routine traffic stop.

In the case of showing insurance, you just have to show it. Period.

I fail to see any problem with Arizona's law.

84

Been thinking the same thing.

I don't know where they get this expectation that there's some airtight way this law will "withstand judicial scrutiny" when the fucking CONSTITUTION hasn't withstood judicial scrutiny in quite a while now.

Posted by: The War Between the Egomaniacal States at April 26, 2010 09:40 PM (vYPFy)

Yep!

http://bit.ly/a9N3Yi

85

79 Oh, and who does this help? 

UNIONS. 

Illegals work for less and are free agents in the labor pool.  This keeps the cost of labor down, and prevents the unions from shaking down some industries.

Just thought you all would want to think about that, since Ace has started giving Econ lectures, I thought I pipe in here.

Unions here in Cali have no problem collecting dues from illegals.

86 Next step should be requiring gov't issued ID to vote.

87

Play hockey with quite a few Canadian escapees, great guys..all legal immigrants

I say send'em the fuck back to Canada. Let the Hosers come back the right way or not at all.  Flappy Headed, Beady Eyed Mother Fuckers.

88 Warden, well I also have a problem with the whole mandatory insurance thing.  I agree that this law and the whole "show proof of insurance whenever it's asked for" are similar.  I'm not a fan of either one.

89 Ultimately asking for identification after a series of suspicious circumstances (i.e. reasonable cause) is what law enforcement does on a daily basis.  What's scary is O sounds more like the ACLU instead of a leader addressing what is a serious problem.

90 Deport them to Guam.

91 Illegals in the UK: crazy. If stopped walking along a motorway (!!) heading nowhere people can be questioned but if they have no papers (surprise, surprise none do) they cannot be deported because no one knows where to send them! Next bit... they are asked to report to an office in ,say, Liveerpool, Guess what? They never get there. And you think you've got a problem! I think I give up .

92 Of course, what makes this whole thing funny to me is that Al Sharpton is of course against this, but his followers are for it because they know the illegals are taking their jobs.

93

gees, i visit the states a few times a year and get fingerprinted and retina scanned at customs every visit, plus we have to register travel plans with homeland security before leaving home. have a conviction for pot or something minor? you dont get let in.

these fuckheads just walk over the border and complain about their 'rights'?

 fuck these messican illegals with a big black dogs dicks.

94

I'm with you dagny.

Esp with unemployment over 10%.

It's fun to hear that "but illegals will take the jobs that others won't!!!11!!" liberal bullshit line when there no jobs for anyone. Period. Tilde. Exclamation mark rightside up and upside down

95 I wonder how much lettuce will cost when SEIU members with hefty pensions and paid vacations are picking it?

96 Can't wait till the Peggy Josephs find out they have to wait in line for their Obama Money with a bunch of illegals who are entitled to the freebies too

She won't like it, but she'll still vote for Obama

97

Deport them to Guam.

But distribute them equally along Her perimeter for safety.

98 But my worry is that illegals will not report crimes or agree to testify as witnesses to crimes out of fear of deportation.  That would make them sitting ducks for every kind of aggressor out there and let a lot of other criminals go free.

This already happens, enacting this law isn't going to make it any worse than it already is. The hispanics were the grade-A, #1 robbery victims where I used to live because the locals knew that the hispanics carried cash and weren't going to report the robbery, despite the fact that the city was soft on illegals and the police had a stated and public policy that they were not going to investigate the immigration status of anyone.

99 88 Next step should be requiring gov't issued ID to vote.
      I'm believe that would place an undue burden on minorities, the elderly, the non-existent and the dead.

100

In all seriousness this law isn't any different than our federal laws. If an immigration cop sees 15 illegals walking around in the desert on public land not breaking any laws he can go ask them if they are here legally or not. If they are not he can arrest them. They could be 15 Mexican Americans just out hiking in the desert, if they are they show ID and continue what they are doing. The outrage over this is fake, like everything else liberals bitch about.

It would be pretty hard for a court to strike it down without striking down our federal immigration laws.

101 If they're eating a recognizable burrito, or drinking Corona, they're obviously not an illegal--right?

102 88 Next step should be requiring gov't issued ID to vote.

If you mean at the state level, then definitely. The problem is there are certain states (like yours, f'rinstance) that have no intention of ever doing this.

103 #87

Jim, the point is that most illegals won't or can't join a union, because they need documents.  Federal projects require documents.  I doubt you have many illegals without illegal docs in a union.  Not going to happen.

Free moving illegal labor reduces the cost of labor nationwide.  As does Chinese slave labor building your I phone.

104 I wonder how much lettuce will cost when SEIU members with hefty pensions and paid vacations are picking it?

I can't imagine union members even deigning to stoop so low as to be fruit and veggie pickers.

105

88 Rummy, I see your voter id card and raise you with a basic "it's not a right but a privilege" voter test.

_{(mainly bc I'm sick of the jackholes here that say the 19th amendment was the worst.amendment.evah!)}

106 Warden, well I also have a problem with the whole mandatory insurance thing.

For the record, I do as well.
 
But it's here and not going away. So let's use the precedent to get rid of some goddamned illegals.

I'll fight for my principles, but once the rules are established - they are what they are. You'd be a fool not to use them in your favor.

107 If you mean at the state level, then definitely. The problem is there are certain states (like yours, f'rinstance) that have no intention of ever doing this.

Only because it's RAAAACIST to ask for ID. And it might hurt the poor people who can afford to pay for a $5 pack of cigarettes once a week but can't cough up $25 for an ID card once every 3 years.

108 It's fun to hear that "but illegals will take the jobs that others won't!!!11!!" liberal bullshit line when there no jobs for anyone. Period. Tilde. Exclamation mark rightside up and upside down

A lot of illegals work in the construction industry, some of those jobs pay rather well legally and many Americans would be more than happy to take those jobs, ie drywalling, roofing, carpentry.

I don't see why they're needed in CA to pick lettuce since the government has shut off the water and they have massive unemployment in the Central Valley

109 Expect blonde wigs to be a hot-selling item in Mexico.

110 Texas and other states should hurry up and adopt the same law so that Arizona isn't left swinging in the wind.

Posted by: fgdfgdf at April 26, 2010 09:24 PM (Tfuib)

One of the talking heads on FOX today said that four other states are planning to follow suit.  Damn, if they would start falling in line like dominoes, that would be teh excellent!  They never said which states, though I'm guessing Texas had to be one of 'em.  Rush keeps saying that the Obamanation, if it's to be stopped, is going to be up to the states.

111 Oh lacey, I can wax on for hours what I think should be requirements to vote.

112

so what happens when a hispanic american law enforcement officer stops and nabs illegals?

(with about 1/3 of AZ hispanic, I imagine there must be many many hispanic american officers in AZ.)

are they going to be called racists? is the ACLU going to sue them for racial profiling?

113

The illegals are the ones running away from the authorities.

There is no disguising this.  I lived in Tucson for almost a decade.  You can spot the illegals like you spot the gang members like you spot the hotties jogging by the university.

It's all a big Lefty Smokescream. 

Pandering. Posturing. Politicizing.

 

114 Jim, the point is that most illegals won't or can't join a union, because they need documents.  Federal projects require documents.  I doubt you have many illegals without illegal docs in a union.  Not going to happen.

Which is why SEIU is one of the biggest proponents of amnesty.

115 105 #87

Jim, the point is that most illegals won't or can't join a union, because they need documents.  Federal projects require documents.  I doubt you have many illegals without illegal docs in a union.  Not going to happen.

Free moving illegal labor reduces the cost of labor nationwide.  As does Chinese slave labor building your I phone.

Posted by: Kemp at April 26, 2010 09:56 PM (2+9Yx)

Maybe for skilled union trades, things works that way, but for everything else, it does not. Illegals absolutely have no problem joining unions out here.

116  Tim Burns (R) running for Jack Murtha's seat- Pennyslvania 12th district- electiion May 19. Does he need help?

Posted by: marianne at April 26, 2010 09:39 PM (jSigh)

I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.  Did you see him on Hannity tonight?  His opponent is a former Murtha staffer and sounds like a real weasel.  He knows the ropes and is tight with Pelosi and co.  Sarah endorsed Burns today, too.

117

113 You and I can draft that test!

And then get sued by the ACLU, SPLC, NAACP, ACORN (or whatever they are calling themselves now)  and every other non-relevant minority outfit known to man.

118 Doesn't this law also require a federal government that's willing to do the deporting?

119 60 who am i to say what is right for the people of NY City they have elections..

Who am I to say what is right for the people of the South; they have elections!

Posted by: Abe Lincoln at April 26, 2010 09:39 PM

--------------------

Exactly, since the Federal Government has failed to enforce laws we are left wit Federalism on this issue and for the Feds to now cherry pick what starts are right and what states are wrong thats bullshit, the Feds need to pull their head out of their ass they took an oath to protect and defend the United States.

120 No sane person is against having the illegals status checked. The absolute only reason to not want them identified and sent home is for future political reasons.

121

Posted by: Rum, Bitch Goddess of the Universe at April 26, 2010 09:59 PM (gofDd)

Rum, I'm guessing that by virtue of your location you speak fluent Spanish?  That's kind of strange to picture an Asian chick habla-ing.

122 I doubt you have many illegals without illegal docs in a union.  Not going to happen.

Not without a generous donation to the DNC. Then, documents? We don't have to show you no stinking documents.

You're dealing with the same government that has jihadists inside our military, and probably working at secured areas in airports

123 And then get sued by the ACLU, SPLC, NAACP, ACORN (or whatever they are calling themselves now)  and every other non-relevant minority outfit known to man.

Not only would that be a badge of honor but it would mean we were doing something right.

124

JUST BUILD A WALL

This whole thing goes away with border enforcement. It is just not that hard.

125

Sarah endorsed Burns today, too.

Sarah, Who?

PlainandTall?

McClaughlin?

Conner?

126 For the Left, illegal immigration has taken on the same supersacred status as abortion.  Any attempt to curb, reduce, or restrict it in any way is a complete affront to the sensitivities of enlightened people and a threat to our very existence.

So they say. 

Actually, finding a way to give citizenship to illegals is a way to add millions of dependent people to the fold of the Democrat Party.  They're going to need those voters. 

Of course that doesn't explain why some Republicans seem to think it's a good idea.  I guess they're just stupid.  Or maybe they plan to change party affiliation.

127

(with about 1/3 of AZ hispanic, I imagine there must be many many hispanic american officers in AZ.)

are they going to be called racists? is the ACLU going to sue them for racial profiling?

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 26, 2010 09:59 PM

Yes

128

Sarah endorsed Burns today, too.

Sarah, Who?

PlainandTall?

McClaughlin?

Conner?

Posted by: garrett at April 26, 2010 10:03 PM (/oz4L)

As if.  It's like Cher or Madonna.

129 dagny, stop being logical!

RushBabe, not fluent, and not nearly as good as when I took 3 years of Spanish in high school, but if you drop me off in the middle of Mexico Downtown LA I can probably get around without having to resort to English too much.

I did surprise an abuelita once. I asked her in Spanish how much something cost when she wasn't looking at me. She started to answer me in Spanish as she looked up and switched to English when she saw me.

130

As a recovering lefty, the dems better the shut the hell up about this law.  With millions of americans out of work, and illegals taking up resources, American have had it!

Its no wonder over 60% of Americans want illegals stopped and deported! I wish the repubs would use the line that the Obama admn. indicated no alarms at that AZ rancher being killed on his own land, yet the Obama admn. sure is jumping up and down over a bill that protects legal residents of AZ.

Are they more concerned with protecting the "rights" (of which of they have none!) of illegals  or protecting the rights of Americans??

Seriously, why the heck won't repubs hit back with this train of thought?

131 When illegals can get a license to practice law and can undercut native law firms in fees, then you'll see Leftists screaming about the problem

132 Republicans are just trying to look like they are compassionate on this. I officially quit all money giving to the Church because they harbor and provide succor to illegals. "But they are good people". Well, good people aren't criminals and that is what illegal means.

133 The illegals are the ones running away from the authorities.

A few years ago I heard about a tactic that was being used by some sheriff in the Florida panhandle. They raced into construction zones with blue lights and sirens just to get a reaction, then chased the ones who ran, who were all (surprise, surprise) illegal. They didn't bother the ones who didn't run. The contractors and the local businesses raised hell claiming that it was going to damage business in the area because all of the cheap labor was going to leave, and I believe for a time they did leave. I never heard what happened after that.

134

Posted by: Ramos & Compeon

I did not know that. omg. I feel like I've woken up from the Matrix or something. All these years, I listened and read and believed the MSM, I feel so used!

135

As a recovering lefty, the dems better the shut the hell up about this law.  With millions of americans out of work, and illegals taking up resources, American have had it!

Bingo. That's the winning strategy for Repubs to keep harping on to counter the left.  Krauthammer said tonight that the lost cloture vote on financial reg was exactly what (Zero) wanted.  He wants immigration front and center even though he knows to do anything of substance would doom the dems even more come November.  This is meant to be a talking-point issue all the way up to November to smear Repubs as "haters of certain skin colors." 

The Kraut described Zero's glee at illegal immigration being a hot topic and his inaction on it as "Look, you have two plates, one to eat off of and one for show.  This plate's for show."

136 Every time an illegal killing someone in a nasty DUI makes the news, despite the data that DUI is a large problem with them, Geraldo screams that it's a drunk driving problem, not an immigration problem.

When drug gangs commit a particularly gruesome murder, Geraldo screams that it's a drug addiction issue, not an immigration issue

If I come upon him after an illegal shot him in a robbery, I'll say "It's not an immigration problem Geraldo, it's a lead poisoning problem"

137 137 Guess what Obama? America is still 70+% white. Granted alot of that white is douchebag but they are white just the same and gues what? They are going to get sick of this.

138 My guess is that Gov. Brewer wins the primary and the election in November. Most of us here do appreciate that she signed the bill rather than let it become law with out a signature.

139 DeMint is on Greta now.  DeMint is awesome.

140 Republicans are just trying to look like they are compassionate on this. I officially quit all money giving to the Church because they harbor and provide succor to illegals. "But they are good people". Well, good people aren't criminals and that is what illegal means.

My brother got in an argument with a former girlfriend's uncle a few years ago. The guy was a big Republican, he owned several chain restaurants in the region where my bro lived, he employed illegals, and he was all for amnesty. His claimed reasons were the same you always hear: "they work hard", "Americans are too lazy", "why should we kick them out, our ancestors were immigrants too". His real reasons for employing them were (a) he could get away with paying them less, and (b) he didn't have to worry about labor laws, particularly sexual harassment type stuff. He never really seemed to grasp the concept that as soon as they were granted amnesty all of his leverage over them would disappear.

It usually ends up being that these people are all for amnesty because they think it will be cheaper and because they live in nice gated communities with paid security so they never have to deal with the consequences.

141 Heard about a woman whose son works as a border guard in Texas.  She said he told her don't believe the MSM bunk about crossings being down. It's busier than ever -- the Messicans heard about ObamaCare and are streaming in for that and all the new welfare bennies they've been told about. 

142 If I come upon him after an illegal shot him in a robbery, I'll say "It's not an immigration problem Geraldo, it's a lead poisoning problem"

Posted by: kbdabear at April 26, 2010 10:11 PM (sYxEE)

You should send that to him for viewer comments.

143

Treat them like US Citizens trying to go to Mexico.

144 I'm all for it. Hopefully MA will adopt it so we can do something about all the illegal Irish in Southie and all the illegal Italians in the North End. I wouldn't mind all the illegal Russian Jews in Brookline getting checked too.

145 #117

God bless those Unions.  Color blind and will except anyone with a heart beat and Mr. Green.  

I am SHOCKED!  You are telling me that unions would break the law?

Holy shit!  Call my lawyer!

146 A lot of the more extreme commentary is not based on the version of the bill actually sent to the governor and signed. Which, I suppose, is not that big a surprise. http://tinyurl.com/2gyg2vs

147 "Deport them to Guam."

Better idea:  Say you're deporting them to Guam, then just "drop them off halfway" in the middle of the ocean and sail back.  Cuts the travel time in half.

148 56 UncleFacts,
1. Sedition is illegal, and I have no doubt that there's more than one leftie out there who really does believe that we're criminals for going to Tea Parties.

2. The problem is that this type of law puts the individual in the position of proving his/her innocence, when it ought to be the other way around.

3. I just don't want to even see this type of tactic get off the ground.  It strikes me as wrong & dangerous.  There are other ways to deal with the illegal immigration problem.  And no I'm not speaking in favor of amnesty.

Posted by: chemjeff at April 26, 2010 09:38 PM (Gk/wA)

Having a lefty thinking we on the right are guilty of sedition does not make being part of a right wing group illegal, lefty wet dreams notwithstanding.
Being here illegally violates the law of the land. This is not a right wing fantasy, this is the law. As I read this law, it strikes me that there has to be some other mitigating factors involved before the LEO has the gate opened to further inquiry into someone's residency. I see nothing here that says, "hey that guy is brown, and he has an accent, J'ACCUSE!" In fact I see a lot of measures in it being careful to NOT go there. Could I see left wing pols attempting to do this to right wing groups? Janet Napolitana, table for one this way. I also think that if they were to do so, that the backlash to that would simply be so all encompassing, and so virulent in terms of voting and protests, that even charlie gibson would have to notice. I hear what you're saying, I no more want this or any government having the power to just stop someone and check them for group affiliation. I just don't see it in this piece of legislation.

149

How difficult is this issue.  LIBS WANT ILLEGALS here.   We don't.

 

150 This is how we're going to win our government back. Just like conceal carry started in Florida and swept the nation, state laws like this can change the direction of the country. Oklahoma, for one is already looking at implementing a similar immigration law. We've got to pressure our state legislatures.

151

Adolfo, the lines have been drawn.  LIBTARDS vs AMERICA.  Obama blew every oppurtunity he had to be a MAN or a LEADER.

He is neither.

It's gotten ugly as I predicted from the start.  MARXISM is not pretty.

152

Proof positive that the AZ Governor is an extremist!

http://tinyurl.com/29axn5f

153 Hey, we didn't read the health reform bill before reading it. So why is everyone so upset if we present fictionalized accounts of the Arizona law before reading it.

154 Boy those dumb missionaries in Haiti. They try to bring kids to the United States and get arrested. All they had to say was they intended to violate US immigration law and all would be forgiven.

155 They used to say that seat belts weren't a reason to be stopped either.  What any honest cop will tell you is that if they follow you for 5-10 minutes they WILL find a "reasonable" reason to pull you over.

And then they can ask for the ID of your passengers, too, even though your passengers aren't involved in the stop other than being in the car.  So now it's illegal to be in public without an ID.

Ask the second amendment folks how reasonable restrictions on your rights work out in the end.

156 All this crap going on in Arizona and the border and on the news tonight they're floating the idea of calling out the National Guard in Chicago because of the high murder rate. Just imagine if the Arizona Guvn'r had trotted that one out.

157

Apparently a lot of the religious have forgotten the missions. Why must the impoverished come to them and not the other way around? Missionaries anyone? Plus isn't it morally questionable to bring these people to "a racist nation" in the first place. Seems they'd be more comfortable at home.

158

What's that? Someone is running for Murtha's seat?

Why isn't Murtha running for Murtha's seat?

And don't give me that "He's dead" bullshit. Anything is possible when you're a member of the Democrap Party.

159 Only because it's RAAAACIST to ask for ID. And it might hurt the poor people who can afford to pay for a $5 pack of cigarettes once a week but can't cough up $25 for an ID card once every 3 years.

You mean $5 twice a day.  And can you still get them for $5?

That's what always cracks me up about poor neighborhoods.  People are always going on about not being able to afford food or money for the electric bill.  But who the hell is supporting all the liquor stores?

160

OT: Been watching TCM off and on tonight.

Man, Jean Arthur was smokin' hot.

161 Three years ago during June of 2007 the bipartisan effort to give amnesty to illegal immigrants woke the sleeping giant and resulted in both parties being told in no uncertain terms, "No fucking way!" This time the giant is already awake and cranky because of the progs ramming their unpopular agenda up the giant's ass, and lo and behold another effort to give amnesty to illegal immigrants is forthcoming. It won't surprise me if the GOP is stupid enough to join the Dems in fucking with the giant again, instead of taking advantage of a golden opportunity to do some serious damage to the progs.

162 "No, it is not necessarily the case that "lawful contact" means the individual has already broken some other law."

Correct.  Lawful contact does not = reasonable suspicion.   It also includes what the case law calls a consensual encounter, i.e., where police approach someone and ask them questions just like they (the police) were any other citizen.  One need not have reasonable suspicion to do this, because a consensual encounter is by definition not a seizure, i.e., the person encountered is free to leave and not to answer questions, UNLESS and until reasonable suspicion develops, in which case they can be temporarily detained pending further investigation.

Consensual encounter --> reasonable suspicion --> probable cause

163

We'll be visiting family in Az again this year. I will go out of my way to spend as much $$$ as possible while we're there.

164 100 But my worry is that illegals will not report crimes or agree to testify as witnesses to crimes out of fear of deportation.  That would make them sitting ducks for every kind of aggressor out there and let a lot of other criminals go free.

Well shit, sounds like an incentive to get out of the country faster.

165 For the Left, illegal immigration has taken on the same supersacred status as abortion.  Any attempt to curb, reduce, or restrict it in any way is a complete affront to the sensitivities of enlightened people and a threat to our very existence.

Ain't just the Left. Plenty of open-borders, economic-man utopians on the right too, and just as influential. And they feel as extra-great about themselves while they're giving away other people's money to them through collective social services as do the lefties.

166

I wonder what percentage of Arizona's and Texas's illegal aliens easily entered their states from New Mexico and then dispersed to other states in the USA, considering that New Mexico has a reputation for being very receptive to illegal aliens from Mexico, who comprise a huge percentage of the people who continue to reelect New Mexico's Latino Governor, Bill Richardson.

Rumor has it that New Mexico is a huge conduit for illegal aliens from Central and South America, because of that state's lax and rarely enforced laws on that issue.

But nobody wants to address that issue, because Democrats protect their own, because Latinos make up a large segment of the Democrats' base and because everybody is afraid of being called a racist for calling Bill Richardson to task for his extremely irresponsible behavior with respect to that issue.

Hispanic/Latino/Indian people, many from Mexico, now comprise well in excess of half of that state's population, though there is a high turnover of transients who move on to other states.

167 Fox News has officially jumped the track on this Arizona legislation. This morning on F&F, goofball "Judge Nappy" said Arizona is now the equivalent of "East Berlin and the antebellum South." Expect more tut-tuting from the geniuses on the Fox All Stars, too.

168 @11

"No, it is not necessarily the case that "lawful contact" means the individual has already broken some other law.  It could be, for instance, being questioned by an officer about a disturbance reported at the neighbor's.  The individual may be completely innocent of anything at all, and yet there's that "lawful contact" which may get him deported."

How exactly is this a bad thing?

The situation you describe is an example of this law working as intended.  Deporting illegal aliens is what this law is all about.

Completely innocent of anything at all????? 

ILLEGAL ALIEN.  That means the person is guilty of being in the country illegally.  If someone is not a citizen then they need legal permission to live and work here.  If they do not have this permission then they are committing a crime. 

There are many cases where the police detect a crime while questioning someone about an unrelated matter.  This is no different.

169 If the left doesn't like something, then it is probably a good idea.

If the left is reduced to lying, screaming irrelevancies, and calling people names, then it is DEFINITELY a good idea.

I'm very glad that I live in Arizona. 

170 Someone might want to mention to Dale Franks over at the normally sane QandO that this AZ law has long been part of the US code. Dale was hyperventilating over the law's unconstitutionality yesterday.

171 The link I posted to the signed version seems to be broken, so below is the official summary of the signed version. In all the hysteria, the fact that this law eliminates "sanctuary cities" doesn't seem to have been widely noted. That has been a big problem, and one reason Sheriff Joe raided the Mesa city offices (with a warrant BTW). And has clashed with Phoenix city officials in the past. When a person in contact with the police has a valid AZ driver license, AZ non-operating id, tribal id, or valid federal, state or local id (provided that proof of legal presence was required to get it), that person is *presumed* to be legally present. So the police need a lot more than "reasonable suspicion" in that case. ____________ Arizona State Legislature Bill Number Search: Forty-ninth Legislature - Second Regular Session change session | printer friendly version Email a Member | Email Webmaster Senate House Legislative Council JLBC More Agencies Bills Committees Calendars/News HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SB 1070 immigration; law enforcement; safe neighborhoods (NOW: safe neighborhoods; immigration; law enforcement) Sponsors: Senators Pearce R, Gray C, Gray L, et al. DPA/SE Committee on Military Affairs and Public Safety DPA Caucus and COW X As Transmitted to the Governor SB 1070 makes changes to laws relating to the enforcement on immigration laws, failure to carry an alien registration document, day laborers, harboring or transporting illegal aliens and employer sanctions. History 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c) requires Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to respond to inquiries by federal, state, or local government agencies seeking to verify or ascertain the citizenship or immigration status of any individual within the jurisdiction of the agency for any purpose authorized by law, by providing the requested verification or status information. Laws 2007, Ch. 279 enacted the Legal Arizona Workers Act (Act). The Act: expands aggravated taking the identity of another person or entity to include the intent to obtain employment; prohibits an employer from intentionally employing an unauthorized alien or knowingly employing an unauthorized alien; requires the Attorney General (AG) or county attorney to investigate complaints and classifies filing a false and frivolous complaint as a class 3 misdemeanor; provides for license suspension for the first violation; requires license revocation on a second violation during a probationary period; and after December 31, 2007, requires every employer to utilize E-Verify to verify employment eligibility. Laws 2008, Chapter 152 further amended the Act. Provisions Enforcement of Immigration Law · Prohibits law enforcement officials and law enforcement agencies of this state or counties, municipalities and political subdivisions from restricting or limiting the enforcement of the federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law. · Requires officials and agencies to reasonably attempt to determine the immigration status of a person involved in a lawful contact where reasonable suspicion exists regarding the immigration status of the person, except if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation. · Stipulates that if the person is arrested, the person’s immigration status must be determined before the person is released and must be verified with the federal government. · Stipulates that a law enforcement official or agency cannot solely consider race, color or national origin when implementing these provisions, except as permitted by the U.S. or Arizona Constitution. · Specifies that a person is presumed to be lawfully present if the person provides any of the following: Ø A valid Arizona driver license. Ø A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license. Ø A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification. Ø A valid federal, state or local government issued identification, if the issuing entity requires proof of legal presence before issuance. · Requires that if a person is convicted of any state or local law, on discharge from imprisonment or on the assessment of any monetary obligation imposed, ICE or U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) must be immediately notified. · Authorizes a law enforcement agency to securely transport an unlawfully present alien to a federal facility. · Requires a law enforcement agency to obtain judicial authorization before securely transporting an unlawfully present alien to a point of transfer that is outside of Arizona. · Prohibits, except as provided in federal law, officials and agencies of counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions from being prevented or restricted from sending, receiving or maintaining information relating to the immigration status, of any individual or exchanging that information with another governmental entity for the following official purposes: Ø Determination of eligibility for any public benefit, service or license. Ø Verification of any claim of legal domicile if legal domicile is required by law or judicial order. Ø If the person is an alien, determination of the person’s compliance with federal registration laws. Ø Pursuant to federal laws regarding communication between government agencies and federal immigration agencies. · Stipulates that these provisions does not implement, authorize or establish and cannot be construed to implement authorize or establish the REAL ID Act of 2005, including the use of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID). · Allows a person who is a legal resident of this state to bring an action in superior court to challenge officials and agencies of the state, counties, cities, towns or other political subdivisions that adopt or implement a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law. · Requires the court to order any that a violating entity pays a civil penalty of at least $1,000 and not to exceed $5,000 for each day that the policy has remained in effect after it has been found to be violating these provisions. · States that the court will collect the penalty and transmit the collected monies to the state Treasurer for deposit in the Gang and Immigration Intelligence Team Enforcement Mission (GIITEM) Fund. · Authorizes the court to award court costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person or any official or agency that prevails in a case brought under these provisions. · Indemnifies officers against actions brought under these provisions, except if the officer has been adjudged to have acted in bad faith. · Stipulates that these provisions are to be implemented consistent with federal immigration law protecting the civil right of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of US citizens. Willful Failure to Complete or Carry an Alien Registration Document · Specifies that in addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document if the person is in violation of 8 U.S.C. § 1304(e) or 1306(a). · Stipulates that the immigration status may be determined by: Ø A law enforcement officer who is authorized by the federal government to verify or ascertain an alien’s immigration status. Ø ICE or CBP pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1373(c). · Prevents a person convicted of the new offense from being eligible for suspension of sentence, probation, pardon, commutation of sentence, or release from confinement on any basis except for as authorized by the Director of the Arizona Department of Correction until the sentence imposed has been served or the person is eligible for release due to early release credits. · Requires the court to order the person to pay jail costs and an additional assessment of: Ø At least $500 for a first offense. Ø Twice the amount the person was ordered to pay for the first offense if this is the second or subsequent offense. · States that the court will collect the assessments and transmit the collected monies to the Department of Public Safety for deposit in a special sub-account of the account established for GIITEM. · Stipulates that monies in the sub-account are subject to legislative appropriation for distribution for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail costs relating to illegal immigration. · Stipulates that any record that relates to the immigration status of a person is admissible in any court without further foundation or testimony from a custodian of records if the record is certified as authentic by the government agency responsible for maintaining the record. · Makes a first offense a class 1 misdemeanor. · Increases the penalty to a class 3 felony if the person commits the offense while in possession of: Ø A dangerous drug (A.R.S. § 13-3401). Ø Precursor chemicals used to manufacture methamphetamine (A.R.S. § 13-3404.01). Ø A deadly weapon (A.R.S. § 13-3101). Ø A dangerous instrument (A.R.S. § 13-105). Ø Property used for committing an act of terrorism (A.R.S. § 13-2308.01). · Makes violations a class 4 felony if either: Ø It is a second or subsequent violation. Ø Within 60 days, the person has been removed from the U.S. either under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a or 8 U.S.C. § 1229c. Unlawfully Picking up Passengers for Work · Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway, or highway to attempt to hire or hire and pick up passengers for work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic. · Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person to enter a motor vehicle that is stopped on a street, roadway or highway in order to be hired by an occupant of the motor vehicle and to be transported to work at a different location, if the motor vehicle blocks or impedes the normal movement of traffic. · Specifies that it is a class 1 misdemeanor for a person who is unlawfully present who is an unauthorized alien to knowingly apply for work, solicit work in a public place or perform work as an employee or independent contractor. · Defines solicit and unauthorized alien. Unlawfully Transporting or Harboring Unlawful Aliens · Stipulates that it is unlawful for a person who is in violation of a criminal offense to: Ø Transport or move an alien in a means of transportation, or attempt to do so, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully. Ø Conceal, harbor or shield an alien, or attempt to, if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully. Ø Encourage or induce an alien to come to this state if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that doing so would be a violation of law. · Specifies that a means of transportation used in a violation of these provisions is subject to mandatory vehicle immobilization or impoundment. · Specifies that these provisions do not apply to a Child Protective Services worker acting in the worker’s official capacity or a person who is acting in the capacity of a first responder, an ambulance attendant or an emergency medial technician and is transporting or moving an alien in relation to emergency medial services. · Stipulates that violators are guilty of a class 1 misdemeanor and subject to a fine of at least $1,000. However, a violation involving 10 or more illegal aliens is a class 6 felony and subject to a fine of at least $1,000 for each alien involved. · Requires a peace officer to immobilize or impound a person’s vehicle if the officer determines either that: Ø In furtherance of the illegal presence of an alien and in violation of a criminal offense, the person is transporting or moving, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully. Ø The person is concealing, harboring or shielding an alien in this state, or attempting to do so in a vehicle if the person knows or recklessly disregards the fact that the alien is here unlawfully. Employer Sanctions · Provides employers with the affirmative defense that they were entrapped, but they must admit the substantial elements of the violation. · Stipulates that the employer has the burden of proof proving the following by a preponderance of the evidence: Ø The idea of committing the violation started with the officer or their agents. Ø The officers or their agents urged and induced the employer to commit the violation. Ø The employer was not predisposed to commit the violation before the law enforcement officer or agents urged and induced the employer to do so. · Stipulates that an employer is not entrapped if the employer was predisposed to violate the law and law enforcement merely provided the employer with the opportunity. Additionally, it is not entrapment for law enforcement to use a ruse or to conceal their identity. · Requires employers to keep a record of the employment verification from E-verify for the duration of an employee’s employment, or three years, whichever is longer. Miscellaneous · Authorizes peace officers, in the enforcement of human smuggling laws, to lawfully stop a person if they have reasonable suspicion to believe the person is in violation of any civil traffic law. · Authorizes a peace officer to arrest a person without a warrant if the officer has probable cause to believe that the person has committed any public offense that makes the person removable from the U.S. · Establishes the GIITEM fund (fund) and directs monies collected from penalties resulting from policies limiting the enforcement of federal immigration law to the fund. · Requires the Arizona Department of Public Safety to administer the fund, which is subject to legislative appropriation and is to be used for gang and immigration enforcement and for county jail reimbursement for costs relating to illegal immigration. · Contains intent and severability, implementation and construction clauses. · Specifies that this act may be cited as the “Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act.” · Makes technical and conforming changes. · · · ---------- DOCUMENT FOOTER --------- · Forty-ninth Legislature · Second Regular Session 5 April 19, 2010 · · ---------- DOCUMENT FOOTER --------- ©2007 Arizona State Legislature. privacy statment