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September 12, 2010

Nobody Seems Interested in ObamaCare's High-Risk Insurance Pools
— Gabriel Malor

Remember how it was so damn important to do healthcare reform right freakin' now because thousands of hard-to-insure people couldn't get medical care? President Obama told dozens of stories about people who just couldn't get coverage from greedy insurance corporations. In fact, midnight votes and bought votes and non-stop demagoguery were all justified on the idea that ObamaCare would be necessary to save lives.

It seems that the Democrats had a solution in search of a problem:

States across the country are reporting lower than expected participation in the high-risk pools for people with pre-existing conditions, raising concerns that a lack of public engagement could affect the program's success Â— and that of health reform more generally.
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Iowa, for example, had received only 32 applications by the middle of this week, even though state officials told the Des Moines Register that they were expecting many more because the pool's premiums are "much cheaper" than those in the state's long-standing pool.
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Kansas Insurance Commissioner Sandy Praeger, a Republican who chairs the Health Insurance and Managed Care Committee at the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, offered a different take. She said the high cost of premiums and out-of-pocket costs was to blame for the slow movement in Kansas, where only 17 people had enrolled by Friday in a program that started taking applications in mid-August.

The Hill quotes a libtard professor who says that low participation is really because people are put off by the negative things the public are discovering about ObamaCare. No, really, she believes there are people out there who really want this type of coverage -- in fact, who may die without it -- but won't sign up because the press is mean to Obama.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 11:48 AM | Comments (127)
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1 Remember how it was so damn important to do healthcare reform right freakin' now because thousands of hard-to-insure people couldn't get medical care?

We all knew that was a lie. The reason he wanted it right now was because HillaryCare died as soon as the public found out what it was going to be.

That is why the rush and why the bill was a huge incomprehensible POS that nobody read.

Posted by: Vic at September 12, 2010 11:51 AM (/jbAw)

2 The MFM always manage to label all the Republicans, don't they?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at September 12, 2010 11:52 AM (eNxMU)

So the libtard professor thinks that people would rather DIE in order to spite Obama, rather than sign up for healthcare?

The libtards really need to think these things through before they open up their mouths and show us their tonsils.

Posted by: Boots at September 12, 2010 11:53 AM (06JTY)

4 The other thing about "high risk" health insurance, the problem wasn't that you couldn't get it. The problem was that if you wanted it to pay for pre-existing conditions it was expensive as hell.

Now all the insurance will be expensive as hell.

Posted by: Vic at September 12, 2010 11:56 AM (/jbAw)

5 So the libtard professor thinks that people would rather DIE in order to spite Obama, rather than sign up for healthcare? Libtards really do believe that crap. But the truth is, people with preexisting conditions know they can go without insurance, and then just show up at an ER for critical care, then never pay the bill. That's better than paying insurance premiums.

Posted by: XBradTC at September 12, 2010 11:56 AM (X0Ona)

6 Doh. People can't "sign up" if they don't have any money to pay the premiums.

And why should they anyway? There are many hospitals all over the country that have a policy of not turning anyone away even if they can't pay, have no insurance, etc.

Ex. Jackson Memorial in Miami takes everyone who walks through the door.

Why would you pay for a policy when all you have to do is say you can't pay and choose a provider that will take you pro bono?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 12, 2010 11:58 AM (1OM4y)

7 Ok, now I"m really freaked out. Aaron klein on wabc radio has to be a moron. He just said exactly what someone was saying the other day, was it ace or drew? Hmmm.....he basically is saying on his show today....so the tea party is effective, so you get the seats, so you get to take over but then what? Someone asked that question here last week, in the same way aaron is asking it...he is also pointing out that these people ahve been planning this for years and do we actually think they are going to go away that easy.

sheesh creeepy

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 11:59 AM (p302b)

8 I am under the impression that this new insurance stuff is free free free so what is stopping these people from signing up?

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:01 PM (p302b)

9 This is where the lie of "million of uninsured" comes from. They do in fact have ample and cheap (i.e. free) access to critical care already. Nobody in their right mind would pay for what they can get for free.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 12, 2010 12:01 PM (1OM4y)

10 PA, I was told by a doctor friend that the HC bill helps doctors, lawyers, drug companies and generates tax revenue. But, "not so much patients"

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:03 PM (p302b)

11 People can't even afford to die under Obama's rule anymore!

Posted by: RushBabe at September 12, 2010 12:03 PM (a3Z62)

12 Insurance? I don't need insurance. Obama's paying for it.

Posted by: Lazy Teatsucker at September 12, 2010 12:04 PM (MMC8r)

13 she believes there are people out there who really want this type of coverage -- in fact, who may die without it -- but won't sign up because the press is mean to Obama.

Wow.

Just wow.

I need to get my hands on some of that Obama Stash Cash, go back to college, become a psychiatrist and start treating liberals. Stat.

/note to self: buy stock in firms that make psychiatric drugs. Stat.

Posted by: shibumi at September 12, 2010 12:04 PM (OKZrE)

14 As one of thbos with serious chronic conditions, as well as a child with same, one has the concern that the obamacare version will be highly restricted. And once you're in can you get out? We have these discussions all the time.

Posted by: gushka at September 12, 2010 12:05 PM (LmJkW)

15 O/T: this is how you know this country has changed. There was a story about a montana family who were in seattle for chemotherapy for their child and their truck was stolen. They have been inundated with cash and offers of a new car seat and offers of a rental car. In the good times, one of the car companies would have stepped up and replaced the van with a brand new one....this isn't good that this wasn't done.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:07 PM (p302b)

16 She said the high cost of premiums and out-of-pocket costs was to blame for the slow movement in Kansas, where only 17 people had enrolled by Friday in a program that started taking applications in mid-August.

I ask it again, "What's the matter with Kansas". Clearly Karl Rove has has been twisting their minds through John Boehner, damn his sepia hide.

Posted by: Thomas Frank at September 12, 2010 12:08 PM (0K3p3)

17 Insurance? I don't need insurance. Obama's paying for it.

Posted by: Lazy Teatsucker at September 12, 2010 04:04 PM (MMC8r)

And free gas! And free rent! Thank Obama Almighty!

Posted by: Typical Stupid Fucking Welfare Recipient at September 12, 2010 12:08 PM (Yjgix)

No, really, she believes there are people out there who really want this type of coverage -- in fact, who may die without it -- but won't sign up because the press is mean to Obama.

Then they die. Next...

Posted by: joejm65 at September 12, 2010 12:09 PM (QEi6M)

19 I really think people are going to do the health insurance thing "illegal alien style"

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:09 PM (p302b)

20 Just for grins, I went and checked the premiums for the Texas high risk pool. For my age, gender and location, the premium was $568 a month. That's with a 3k deductible. Don't know about you guys, but I don't find that particularly affordable. I'm sure that has nothing to do with the low participation problem, though.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 12, 2010 12:12 PM (DC+Gj)

21 O/T: I just remembered this, sorry gabe. Last night a lib/dem person who accompanies another friend out with us was saying that "rather than have people burn down their houses that fire departments should schedule burn your house down times like need exchange programs and turn in your weapons programs. I looked at him like "where did you get that from" and then I got distracted by someone else and he went his own way too and I never got to ask where he got that and what would make him say something that wacko.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:12 PM (p302b)

Look, if you go over to Geller's Atlasshrugs and look at the pictures from her big rally yesterday and look at the people, then scroll down and look at the libtard mosk people, you will see actual people, who somehow dressed themselves, have dry pants, and are standing upright wearing Che Guevera tshirts and carrying signs saying that Geert Wilders is a "facist".

It boggles the mind, yet these are the same types writing opinions on why america doesn't want Obamadeathpanels.

Posted by: dagny at September 12, 2010 12:12 PM (nO92n)

23 Then they die. Next... Hey, maybe Obamacare really will bend the cost curve down!

Posted by: XBradTC at September 12, 2010 12:13 PM (X0Ona)

24 For my age, gender and location, the premium was $568 a month.

That is cheap for high risk. I know someone here who was paying over 10K a year for it after having a heart attack.

I also know someone who couldn't get it at all (cancer).

Posted by: Vic at September 12, 2010 12:15 PM (/jbAw)

25 Of course they will. My kids dad dropped her insurance and she freaked. I told her: "look baby its agaist the law for them to not treat you at an emergency room. You are 21 and poverty line." She then realkized the depths of the lies the politicians have been telling. She will tell anyone who will listen anyone can get medical care if they seek it.

Posted by: gushka at September 12, 2010 12:16 PM (LmJkW)

26
aaron klein was just ranting for two hours about the "then what" questions for the republican party. Sounds a lot like the questions being asked here. It's almost like someone sedated the republicans and they think everything's fine..

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:18 PM (p302b)

Ideally this healthcare law will be unfunded 2011-2012 and repealed entirely in 2013.

But I am concerned that these things will not really happen and the law will survive in some form.

Feet to the fire. Feet to the fire.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 12, 2010 12:19 PM (tm15w)

28 My friend's doctor told her we are going to need an H and R block type of organization that will interpret health care for everyone involved as even the smartest lawyers can't get through the bill.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:20 PM (p302b)

29 What I'm saying is, that Obamacare bends the cost curve over a railing and sodomizes it.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at September 12, 2010 12:21 PM (tm15w)

30 Yes, I would like to sign up for insurance that rations my healthcare.

Posted by: Stupid Person at September 12, 2010 12:21 PM (L8kaT)

31 I guess all the bad things said about the Tea Party are keeping attendance low at their rallies...right? I guess for the left, the only thing more imporant than determining the Alinsky target of the week (ATAW) is creating the excuse as to why they fucked everything up.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2010 12:22 PM (Du09Y)

32 In a fit of "shit things aren't going as planned" one of my lib/dem/lawyer friends said that there are things in the bills which will make it a surety that they won't be able to be dismantled and will be around forever. When I said people will seek their remedy in the courts he spidely reminded me that the courts have ignored the votes of the people.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:23 PM (p302b)

33 Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2010 04:22 PM (Du09Y)

I read some blog post which said that the tea parties "were originally established by the democratic party during the raegan administration"....was pretty down yesterday and didn't bookmark the blog but I was like what? I often wonder if they test out talking points on these little blogs.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:25 PM (p302b)

34 smartest lawyers

Damning with faint praise right there.

That's the whole point, BTW, make the law into mud so that (at best) judges or bureaucrats decide what it means

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:27 PM (3wPsb)

35 #34, how'd that work out for the Dems? They sure like to make shit up.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2010 12:30 PM (Du09Y)

36 one of my lib/dem/lawyer friends said that there are things in the bills which will make it a surety that they won't be able to be dismantled and will be around forever.

Don't you love the dedication to honesty and virtue that our liberal, Democrats and lawyer friends have?

"Ha, ha, we're corrupt liars and cheats and you can't stop us!"

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:31 PM (3wPsb)

37 It's never the quality of the turd that stinks, it's always people just don't understand the turd.

Like all socialism, equal misery for all.

Posted by: tarpon at September 12, 2010 12:31 PM (g0QB8)

38 Yes, I would like to sign up for insurance that rations my healthcare. Posted by: Stupid Person at September 12, 2010 04:21 PM (L8kaT) Since when do we allow Democrates to post here?

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2010 12:34 PM (U5btG)

39 O/T: one of my friends just tweeted "maybe that's the october surprise" as regards another friend saying that a lot of the administration insiders, plouffe and gibs to name two, are new dads.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:38 PM (p302b)

40 O/T: one of my friends just tweeted "maybe that's the october surprise" as regards another friend saying that a lot of the administration insiders, plouffe and gibs to name two, are new dads. Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 04:38 PM (p302b) They are Dads? Well I always figured them for mother fuckers anyway.

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2010 12:39 PM (U5btG)

41
You meanies and dissenters didn't believe me when I said I was going to fundamentally change America for the better.

Stop complaining and acting like children. Each of you, and that includes republican's, can receive free health care by simply joining the cue after the hard working men and women who supported my campaign.

Posted by: B H Obama, Americas Prince at September 12, 2010 12:39 PM (v1gw3)

42 This reminds me of when the first CHIPS program went in there, there weren't many people applying to get their kids coverage, so the social workers went door to door trying to get clients. I lived in a dumpy area and we all suggested neighbors who had kids but basically no one wanted their stinking coverage..maybe because some worked off the books and couldn't prove income.

Posted by: cassandra at September 12, 2010 12:40 PM (welQ3)

43 O/T: oh dear God "a pregnant first lady in the WH, not seen since jackie kennedy would finish off the republicans once and for all and assure a win in 2012"
my response "it's happy hour already?"

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:40 PM (p302b)

O/T: oh dear God "a pregnant first lady in the WH, not seen since jackie kennedy would finish off the republicans once and for all and assure a win in 2012"

Who said this??

And shouldn't the appropriate response be, 'It's nice to see Michelle decided not to punish herself with a child."

Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 12, 2010 12:44 PM (TPD8J)

45 The libs don't realize that they are villains in a melodrama, twirling their moustache and proclaiming their evil.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:44 PM (3wPsb)

46
Is this the new footballs thread?

The other smells like Bears fans.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:44 PM (zHwmO)

47 he claims this "is brilliant, brilliant and would work like a charm" but when told by another friend that "MO has her body where she wants it and wouldn't want to have to get pregnant just to keep hubby in office and that she is too old to have any more kids" this friend responded that he had "submitted the suggestion to the campaign and he assumed they would also think it brilliant and he further suggested that if MO doesn't want to have a baby, they can adopt"

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:45 PM (p302b)

48
There's not a day that passes when I don't think how lucky America is to have Barack Obama as our president. He's still clean and articulate, and although republican's claim it can't be done, he has demonstrated that it's possible to pick up the turd by the clean end.

Posted by: Joe "Bonefish" Biden at September 12, 2010 12:45 PM (v1gw3)

49 Posted by: laceyunderalls at September 12, 2010 04:44 PM (TPD8J)

I'm reading this on a friend's twitter feed

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:45 PM (p302b)

50 at this point, the October surprise had better be on the order of Boehner pulling off his face to reveal he is an alien visitor and then eating a baby while blowing up a Gulf of Mexico oil rig to matter.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2010 12:47 PM (Du09Y)

51 Geez how desperate are the dems that someone would actually suggest to "the campaign" that MO get pregnant or adopt in order to engage the country ala jackie kennedy and keep his seat in 2012?

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:47 PM (p302b)

52 One major issue is that someone with any health insurance, no matter how poor, isn't going to take a flier onto some cockamamie program that is absolutely certain to be rejiggered or repealed over the coming year.

Posted by: cthulhu at September 12, 2010 12:47 PM (/0IOT)

53
Remember the donut hole?

You know who eats a lot of dognuts?

Rex Ryan, that's who.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:48 PM (zHwmO)

54 hahhahah one of my conservative friends just sent me a message saying he is going to photo shop a picture from the wizard of oz and identify it as "teh campaign" and send it to our little friend.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:48 PM (p302b)

55 BTW, on the NFL stuff. It pisses me off seeing these government motor ads..."we're sooooo patriotic..." suck it, union thugs.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2010 12:49 PM (Du09Y)

56
Geez how desperate are the dems that someone would actually suggest to "the campaign" that MO get pregnant or adopt in order to engage the country ala jackie kennedy and keep his seat in 2012?

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 04:47 PM (p302b)

That same trial balloon was floated about Sir Edmund Hillary Rodham Clinton wanting to adopt, and when it went over alike a blue fart at a debutant ball, it was quietly dropped and Sir Rodham denied any knowledge of the subject.

Posted by: Fish at September 12, 2010 12:49 PM (v1gw3)

57 "Ha, ha, we're corrupt liars and cheats and you can't stop us!"

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 04:31 PM (3wPsb)

Libtards act and think like spoiled children. They cry and whine when they don't get what they want and when that fails they resort to name calling.

When they do get what they want (usually by lying) they thumb their noses at anyone who knows what they're up to and go on to the next fraud.

I fucking hate libs.

Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2010 12:50 PM (Yjgix)

58
You know what's fun?

Listening to the local sports talk on the radio after a loss. The callers sound suicidal.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:50 PM (zHwmO)

the other thing about the high risk pools that is the big dirty secret is that they allow abortions. and guess what? that is federal funding of abortions. didn't Bambi sign an Exec Order forbidding same? didn't Stupak vote for Obamacare because he was finally assured that abortion would not be provided?

my congressman, Perriello (Dem, VA5) swore on a stack of Catholic Bibles that he would never, EVAH, vote for anything that allowed fed funding of abortions.

but then again, he went to Yale law school, & he is smarter than the rest of us in rural, Bible belt VA5.

anyway, this may be why the govt isn't talking about it much

Posted by: kelley in virginia at September 12, 2010 12:50 PM (MEs24)

60 he had "submitted the suggestion to the campaign and he assumed they would also think it brilliant and he further suggested that if MO doesn't want to have a baby, they can adopt"

Yeah, I'm sure they're all just waiting on tenterhooks for your friend's advice. I think that they'd give it the same weight as my suggestion for what they can do with themselves.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:50 PM (3wPsb)

61 Posted by: cthulhu at September 12, 2010 04:47 PM (/0IOT)

Look, people who had their car crushed are out there. A lot of them subsequently found out they couldn't get the credit and they were stuck with the new car, no credit and their old car "immdediately crushed" per the administration's instructions. Is it any wonder why people are just a wee bit reticent? And, they talk to the 8 grand housing credit folks and find out at the last minute they were disqualified from "entering the program". heck you are safer buying a washer/dryer in China, that is working out really well, they extended it. The chinese will be the cleanest people on the planet.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:51 PM (p302b)

62 18 Insurance? I don't need insurance. Obama's paying for it.

Posted by: Lazy Teatsucker at September 12, 2010 04:04 PM (MMC8r)

Who stole my nickname?

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at September 12, 2010 12:52 PM (BP6Z1)

63 OT: The commenters at Politico have gone nuts on the Republican Candidates article. You could get rabies reading it.

OT2: HA2 looks like a wake for an unloved uncle with no money.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 12:52 PM (RxIyo)

64 Curious...seriously, you need new friends.

Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2010 12:54 PM (VuLos)

65 When the giants lose I love to listen to the FAN but I don't listen when the jets lose.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 12:54 PM (p302b)

66 When they do get what they want (usually by lying) they thumb their noses at anyone who knows what they're up to and go on to the next fraud.

Or they scratch their face with their middle finger. Same thing.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:54 PM (3wPsb)

67
uh-oh, Randy Moss makes controversial remarks after the game.

developing...

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:54 PM (zHwmO)

68 If you go to facebook, Fred Thompson always has something good to say.

Also, in Michigan Dan Benashek has a good chance of getting the Bart Stupak seat, so of course the Democrat party is pouring money into the campaign of his opponent. They do not want to lose that seat. His opponent, however, has yet to make an ad admitting that he is a democrat. Benashek won the primary by 1 vote.

Posted by: chillin the most at September 12, 2010 12:54 PM (6IV8T)

69
Every time the Giants lose a game their fans are screaming to bench Eli and to fire Tom Coughlin.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:55 PM (zHwmO)

70
The one item we all seem to forget? Not a single member of Congress will participate in the ObamaScam. They will continue sucking the life blood from taxpayers by taxation, and funding their Cadillac plans with other people's money. Fuck Congress!

Posted by: Fish at September 12, 2010 12:56 PM (v1gw3)

71 When the giants lose I love to listen to the FAN but I don't listen when the jets lose. Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 04:54 PM (p302b) I hope you listen every week this year.

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2010 12:56 PM (U5btG)

72
I didn't think anyone on the Right could have a more boring radio show than Hugh Hewitt.

That is until I listened to Fred Thompson's radio show.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 12:56 PM (zHwmO)

73 but then again, he went to Yale law school, & he is smarter than the rest of us in rural, Bible belt VA5.

Yale law school has no grades.

No grades.

They print your diploma the moment your contacts get you in.

No grades.

If I were to have a full-frontal lobotomy, the piece of my brain they take out could graduate from Yale law school.

If we need to be ruled by ubermensches, then can we at least have somebody who has proven that they can do long division?

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 12:57 PM (3wPsb)

74 I didn't think anyone on the Right could have a more boring radio show than Hugh Hewitt.

Except once a week for about 2 segments.

Posted by: Mark Steyn fan at September 12, 2010 12:58 PM (3wPsb)

75 Remember the donut hole?

You know who eats a lot of dognuts?

Rex Ryan, that's who.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 04:48 PM (zHwmO)

Hell no, those are my doughnuts!

Posted by: Andy Reid at September 12, 2010 12:58 PM (BP6Z1)

curious...you were doing so good yesterday. Your lib/dim friends are still libs & dims. You have to remember where they get their info. Plus, you need to decide what you believe and stand by it. Stand up for it.

I'm not trying to be mean, but sometimes it seems you are easily led. Stop it!

I saw a town hall meeting with Coburn on C-Span this morning. He says all they need in the Senate is 41 conservatives, real conservatives, and they can get through the things they need to change a lot of what has taken place over the last couple decades. This November they need 4 more to make it 41.

Now, we definitely need to take the Senate majority, if we can, but if we have 41 strong, conservative Senators, we can stop & defund a lot of crap this administration and Congress has done.

Believe it. We can hold their feet to the fire. We must.

Posted by: Steph at September 12, 2010 12:58 PM (nbzzk)

77 Also, in Michigan Dan Benashek has a good chance of getting the Bart Stupak seat, so of course the Democrat party is pouring money into the campaign of his opponent. They do not want to lose that seat. His opponent, however, has yet to make an ad admitting that he is a democrat. Benashek won the primary by 1 vote.

Posted by: chillin the most at September 12, 2010 04:54 PM (6IV8T)

I hope they lose a lot of money as well as that seat.

Dr. Benishek is a surgeon so he can easily vivisect his Demotard opponent on the health care issue.

Posted by: logprof at September 12, 2010 01:01 PM (BP6Z1)

78
We need an AoS poll.

Which Would You Rather Have in the Senate?
a) 41 Jim Demints
b) 51 Olympia Snowes
c) 30 Lindsey Grahams & 29 John McCains

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:02 PM (zHwmO)

79 Lib friends? I fired mine years ago. I miss them about as much as a cold sore.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 01:02 PM (RxIyo)

80 60

the other thing about the high risk pools that is the big dirty secret is that they allow abortions. and guess what? that is federal funding of abortions...

my congressman, Perriello (Dem, VA5) swore on a stack of Catholic Bibles that he would never, EVAH, vote for anything that allowed fed funding of abortions.

but then again, he went to Yale law school, & he is smarter than the rest of us in rural, Bible belt VA5....

Fat Boy Perriello- have you seen his latest commercial? "I don't take lobbyists money" because I blow the SEIU and Soros family.

Posted by: Museisluse at September 12, 2010 01:03 PM (DTfXb)

81 Lib friends? I fired mine years ago. I miss them about as much as a cold sore. Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 05:02 PM (RxIyo) Me to. Sure cuts down on Bar Mitzva and Wedding presents.

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2010 01:05 PM (U5btG)

82 Which Would You Rather Have in the Senate?
a) 41 Jim Demints
b) 51 Olympia Snowes
c) 30 Lindsey Grahams & 29 John McCains

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 05:02 PM (zHwmO)

41 Jim Demints every day of the week & twice on Sundays.

Posted by: Steph at September 12, 2010 01:05 PM (nbzzk)

83
Andy Reid said that both Brett Favre & Donovan McNabb are legends in the game.

Is McNabb comparable to Favre? I don't think so.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:05 PM (zHwmO)

84 82 ^5

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 01:06 PM (RxIyo)

85 There's doughnuts?

Posted by: Wade Philips at September 12, 2010 01:07 PM (u3Zi5)

86 I can't believe that creep, Michael Vick is now the starting quarter back for the eagles.

Posted by: curious, preteneding to be a lib/dem at September 12, 2010 01:08 PM (p302b)

87
Randy Moss: The fans are against me. The sports reporters don't appreciate me. But I'm not complaining.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:08 PM (zHwmO)

88 Vick? What happened to Kolb?

Posted by: USS Diversity at September 12, 2010 01:09 PM (u3Zi5)

89 Except once a week for about 2 segments.

Posted by: Mark Steyn fan at September 12, 2010 04:58 PM (3wPsb)

--Has he been on recently? I have been starving for Steyn material and have not checked since his hiatus began.

Posted by: logprof at September 12, 2010 01:09 PM (BP6Z1)

90 I can't believe that creep, Michael Vick is now the starting quarter back for the eagles. Posted by: curious, preteneding to be a lib/dem at September 12, 2010 05:08 PM (p302b) He is? I thought he was still keeping the bench warm

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 12, 2010 01:09 PM (U5btG)

91
Randy Moss: I'm not liked around here. But I don't care.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:11 PM (zHwmO)

92 Reminds me of one of Reagan's stories about succeeding in distributing poverty equally.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 12, 2010 01:11 PM (Yq+qN)

93 He was playing. It seems they can't make up their mind who the quarter back is and since Kolb just threw an interception (which is now being challenged) maybe we'll see vick again.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:12 PM (p302b)

--Has he been on recently? I have been starving for Steyn material and have not checked since his hiatus began.

Posted by: logprof at September 12, 2010 05:09 PM (BP6Z1)

He subbed one day for Rush last week, I think.

I'm a huge Steyn fan, he really needs his own radio show.

Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2010 01:12 PM (Yjgix)

95 --Has he been on recently? I have been starving for Steyn material and have not checked since his hiatus began.

Well, I haven't checked Hewitt since he charges for his podcasts...however, if you subscribe to the Ricochet podcast, he shows up there probably once every two weeks. It's still worth a subscription, Lileks and Jonah Goldberg show up often. Rob Long and Peter Robinson are the regulars and they get pretty good guests no matter what.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 01:13 PM (3wPsb)

96
Randy Moss feels 'disrespected' because he's in the last year of his contract and the Patriots didn't offer him a new contract or an extension.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:13 PM (zHwmO)

97
But he don't care.

So let's stop talking about it.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 12, 2010 01:14 PM (zHwmO)

He subbed one day for Rush last week, I think.

I'm a huge Steyn fan, he really needs his own radio show.

I find myself listening to Rush on the hopes that he goes on vacation and Steyn fills in.

Doing a full-week radio show, though is tough. Rush makes it look very easy.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 01:15 PM (3wPsb)

He subbed one day for Rush last week, I think.

I'm a huge Steyn fan, he really needs his own radio show.

Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2010 05:12 PM (Yjgix)

--Yeah, fortunately I not only caught both days but was also doing a road trip.

AmishDude, are Hewitt's transcripts still free at TownHall? I always just read them when Steyn Online linked them.

Posted by: logprof at September 12, 2010 01:17 PM (BP6Z1)

100 80 Lib friends? I fired mine years ago. I miss them about as much as a cold sore.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 05:02 PM (RxIyo)

pretty much this. have zero use for liberals. they cost me money and freedom.

Posted by: Unclefacts, AoSHQ Pro Debate Team, Bacon Raconteur at September 12, 2010 01:17 PM (eCAn3)

101 The wife an I have both been laid off. No income. We looked at getting insurance because COBRA was so expensive. But I was turned down because of a preexisting condition. So we looked at the high risk deal. It was more expensive than COBRA. So, we got COBRA. Which means, if we don't find jobs soon, we'll reach the end of our financial tether sooner. We'll lose the house sooner. We'll move in with my 88 year old mother sooner. I'll blow my brains out sooner.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at September 12, 2010 01:18 PM (cNmPT)

102 Your lib friends will be selling you out to the Imam fifteen years from now. Burn them and move on.

Posted by: SurferDoc at September 12, 2010 01:19 PM (RxIyo)

103

Doing a full-week radio show, though is tough. Rush makes it look very easy.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 05:15 PM (3wPsb)

Yes and I've heard Steyn admit at least a couple times that radio isn't his gig. Which is a shame.

Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2010 01:20 PM (Yjgix)

104 someone has to know what crazy stuff the libs/dems are coming up with. As long as you don't take it to heart they are a lot of fun.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:24 PM (p302b)

105 AmishDude, are Hewitt's transcripts still free at TownHall? I always just read them when Steyn Online linked them.

I dunno. I know that Townhall started charging for Hewitt and Prager and the former was not happy. Personally, I think it's stupid -- who would pay for a membership to Hewitt? They'd make more money with free podcasts and free forums and just selling ads.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 01:24 PM (3wPsb)

106 Yes and I've heard Steyn admit at least a couple times that radio isn't his gig. Which is a shame.

I think he truly enjoys the Rush gig. Do his thing for a couple of days and then go back to writing.

And I'm sure Rush pays him pretty well for it, too.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 01:26 PM (3wPsb)

107 I think when you charge for anything on the internet, there are few takers. Oh sure you get the bloggers who view it as "the cost of doing business" but "the folks" just assume they will be able to read it or hear it if it is of any import when someone links to it, otherwise no one cares. I think even beck is giving stuff away for free now. I love batchelor but i would not pay to hear the podcasts.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:28 PM (p302b)

108 This is O/T: but what do you guys think of "THE BLAZE"? It doesn't come up on google and the url is a pain in the ass to type in and those so called journalists, probably out of work, seem to have no idea what to do with a website and all that power. Maybe, if they were out of work, Beck should have left the "journalists" out of work and hired people who knew how to post on websites and dig for information. MM has a list in her blogroll for starters.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:31 PM (p302b)

109
They're pushing this shit like crazy with radio ads here in PA.

If you check out the details, however, it's a minimum of $375/ month. Hardly affordable for someone under or unemployed.

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 12, 2010 01:32 PM (7+pP9)

110 This is O/T: but what do you guys think of "THE BLAZE"? It doesn't come up on google and the url is a pain in the ass to type in

'The Blaze' comes up as the first entry on Google and it's www.theblaze.com.

Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2010 01:33 PM (VuLos)

111 I think that Gabe found out that no one really knows what is in the HC bill and when you start reading it, well, you give up. And since no one trusts the administration they are steering clear of this hot mess. And, after all of this, what will he promise them that will make them come out like locusts to vote in the election and shock the republicans?

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:35 PM (p302b)

112 Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2010 05:33 PM (VuLos)

That's so odd, for me it doesn't come up. I had to bookmark it earlier today.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:35 PM (p302b)

113
ObamaCAre kills the free market. It's total liberty-kill.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 12, 2010 01:40 PM (0fzsA)

114 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 12, 2010 05:40 PM (0fzsA)

But, I'm told there are sweeteners in their for the insurance companies, kinda mega hospice care, they know they are going to die, but the sweeteners make it painless.

Posted by: curious at September 12, 2010 01:44 PM (p302b)

115
The Democrat's back-door communist plot. Force labor UNIONS into everyone's life.

Then, skim off the top(D).

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 12, 2010 01:46 PM (0fzsA)

116 That is cheap for high risk. I know someone here who was paying over 10K a year for it after having a heart attack.

I also know someone who couldn't get it at all (cancer).

That may cheap by comparison, but it's hardly affordable. At least for me.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at September 12, 2010 01:47 PM (DC+Gj)

117

There are already over 3500 pgs of regulations from the bill. That is not the actual bill, but regulations stemming from the bill. It is expected that there will be well over 70,000 pgs before it is said and done.

What doctor, hospital, or insurance company will be able to get it all right? Those regs are being written by Sebelius without any oversight what-so-ever. She has already sent a letter to major insurance companies, who have raised their premiums due to the cost of some of the regs, that there will be consequences if they try to blame those increases on the bill. She threatened them with not being able to receive any federal funding in the form of subsidies to cover the preexisting regs & the 26/yr old so-called kids funding.

So, essentially, what she is doing is puttting her boot on the neck of insurance companies for telling the truth about the damn bill and the reason for additional costs. They will not be able to offer insurance under the regs she will implement and they will be out of business if they aren't allowed to raise their rates to cover the cost of the regs.

She is nothing more than an agent of a tyrannical goverment that spits on the constitution.

Posted by: Steph at September 12, 2010 01:47 PM (nbzzk)

118 I read the Obamacare bill. There are so many tweaks and sentence changes to other acts and current law that it is almost unreadable. Not to mention the 110 new agencies, the IRS administrating penalties for non-coverage. It was set up to be be incomprehensible. I smell a rat- I mean- Susstein.

Posted by: Museisluse at September 12, 2010 01:48 PM (DTfXb)

119 Gee, since you can't be TURNED DOWN for the insurance, why PAY FOR IT until the day you have to go to the hospital for your transplant or whatever? Why waste $1000-1200 a month til you need it?

Posted by: Fiftycal at September 12, 2010 02:03 PM (Deems)

120 120 Gee, since you can't be TURNED DOWN for the insurance, why PAY FOR IT until the day you have to go to the hospital for your transplant or whatever? Why waste $1000-1200 a month til you need it?

Posted by: Fiftycal at September 12, 2010 06:03 PM (Deems)

--And I wonder if the Demotards were counting on these premiums to provide the "savings" of Ã˜bamacare.

BTW, your hash is apt for this topic!

Posted by: logprof at September 12, 2010 02:07 PM (BP6Z1)

121 Crap. Now I'm gonna have to re-educate all the sick people, too!

Posted by: Comrade Sebelius at September 12, 2010 02:30 PM (Fyjeu)

122 By definition, everyone with a preexisting condition will become interested in these pools when they are required by law to have health insurance... Well, unless they figure out it's cheaper for most just to pay Obama's fines.

Posted by: cinyc at September 12, 2010 02:30 PM (w7iRW)

123 There are already over 3500 pgs of regulations from the bill. That is not the actual bill, but regulations stemming from the bill. It is expected that there will be well over 70,000 pgs before it is said and done.

Ah, lawyers. It's just a little thing, but I think emblematic of the whole problem we have in this country:

"I have read and agree to the terms and conditions."

For iTunes alone, the terms and conditions are over 70 pages of text.

Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2010 02:37 PM (3wPsb)

124 Those regs are being written by Sebelius without any oversight what-so-ever ... She is nothing more than an agent of a tyrannical goverment that spits on the constitution.

And your point is? What did you expect from Sebelius the baby killer?

Sebelius received $12,450 between 1994 and 2001 from physician George Tiller, one of only 3 providers nationwide, who performed Late Term abortions.

The Associated Press, however, reported that from 2000 to 2002 Tiller gave at least $23,000 more to a political action committee Sebelius established to raise money for Democrats while she was serving as state insurance commissioner.

Planned Parenthood and has raised money on her behalf.

Sebelius vetoed anti-abortion legislation in Kansas in 2003, 2005, 2006, and again in 2008.

Death panels anyone?

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at September 12, 2010 02:42 PM (UL/HQ)

125 The resaon is that Obamacare won't tell you what they cover. I have a serious kidney disease, my state pool (TX) offers to pay for the first transplant. In all my dealings with the new Obamacare, they won't even tell me what they cover. I mean they told me it would cover it but they wouldn't give it to me in writing. Trust us is all I got. They can't tell me what doctors I can go see or even how my deductable will be calculated. I havebeen on self pay for years, so I took a moderare deductable plan from my state pool and it only cost me about $150 more than the Obama/Pelosi version. In addition if you are already enrolled in your state pool you can't switch unless you drop coverage for 6 months, so I am hardly surpised enrollment is low. I'd be curious though about states like Cali with truly useless high risk plans. I was on that waiting list for 8 years and never got anywhere.

Posted by: Roy at September 12, 2010 02:59 PM (naXUl)

126 There are a number of problems with the ObamaPoolsÂ©:

In New Jersey, only 2 (two!) people have even signed up.

In Pennsylvania and Ohio, being pregnant moves one to the head of the line.

Rates in some states are so high that, even with "subsidies" (that's thee and me paying the freight, BTW), rates are too high for many folks to bite.

In other states, rates are so low that you'd have to be a moron (present company excepted, of course) not to sign up.

And HHS Secretary Shecantbeserious (or, as my co-blogger calls her, Shebullshits) can whine all she wants: the Fed's don't set the rates, the states do.

Well, the states and hobos.

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