1 Argh!  Nothing for hours and now 4 different thread in 1/2 hour?  Makes it difficult to fully appreciate each one.

2 No to yes...yes to no.....
This is like negotiating with Michelle for sex.
The worst part is I'm no more exited about this bill than I am about sex with Michelle. Nobody, NOBODY knows the sacrifices I make as President.
Well, maybe Bill. But that's it.

3 ACE!

4 I see Ace's cocaine order was filled. All is right in his frenetic world, yet again.

5 I just called Lincoln Davis (D-Tn) and his office says he is still going to vote no as he did last time. I will call every single day along with members of my family until this vote is over. Please call your representatives.

6 Simple fact:

They no longer trust Obama. He's willing to throw them all under the bus and they know it.

His high opinion of himself makes it impossible for him to see what a spectacularly bad liar he really is.

7 6, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.

8
She got any siblings that can be bought-off with a juicy federal judgeship and a phat pension?

9 I am usually an energetic 4chan poster but this is beginning to take its toll.

10

Too many threads in too short a time, btw.

11
They no longer trust Obama. He's willing to throw them all under the bus and they know it.

It's my nature.

12

They no longer trust Obama OR Pelosi. THEY ARE willing to throw them all under the bus and they know it.

FTFY

13

The number of congresscritters that have looked at Nelson and Landrieueweue and have thus expanded the width, depth, and girth of their slop trough is interesting to watch. Extortion is such an entertaining act.

EXCEPT THAT IT'S OUR FUCKING MONEY AND THAT OF OUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN THAT THEY'RE USING FOR THE PAYOFF!!!!!

14
Some democrat lawmakers are starting to figure out that Obama's POTUS==SUPREME RULER bullshit isn't just part of his NLP/fast-seduction confidence shtick.  The retard actually believes that he rules over this country.

15 Don't take too much joy in these "flips".
They can flip back just as fast as Obama opens his "goodie bag.'

The current situation is what politicians live for ... a big bill that can bring a big payoff payout.

16 I love this place for its weirdness, odd-timing and double postings. There's nothing quite like it elsewhere in the bloggy world.

17

this sure must be a popular bill. 

 

18

Rep. Berkley's saltwater aquarium fish were just named Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and her kitchen canisters are now Ambassador to Slovakia.

Simple coincidences, I'm sure.

19 Who knew that waffles had to be flipped like pancakes.

20 Must....play...robo....pong

21 Here's my two big questions with reconciliation: 1. To start the reconciliation process the House has to pass the Senate bill as is. Why go through the reconciliation process at that point? Can't Obama just sign the bill passed by both House and Senate and make it law? 2. The option of the House voting on the Senate bill has always been there. Why not do it before now? Obviously, as this article shows, many in the House aren't happy with the bill and wouldn't vote for it. What changed? What makes Obama think the House will suddenly vote for the bill? It's not like everyone has a brother who wants to be a judge.

22 I don't question anyone's motivation for voting NO--just vote no baby, vote no

23 Focus, right now, needs to be concentrated on the House... forget reconciliation.  If the House passes the Senate bill... it's game over.  A done deal.  They don't even have to pass a reconciliation bill after.

We need to stop the House from voting on the Senate bill.

24 I could swear someone here argued that passage was more likely cuz the Dems had nothing to lose. That they were going to get hammered in November so they might as well vote for passage. I can't recall who made that argument. Oh well.

25 Stay strong Democrats. The American people will love you once they realize what is actually in this bill. Howard Dean told me.

26 Meh.

The bill is going to pass, we are going to get fucked in a historic way.

27 This is the biggest, worst, huge-est, most monumental Governmental ClusterFuck since

The Compromise of 1850 or the 'rotten bargain' of  1824

take your pick.  Usually government does this sort of thing Behind Closed Doors, unbeknownst to us.  Usually, despite being a scrum of ruthless people, office-holders can avoid dreck like this.

but we are not in Usual Times........

28 Rush says that no melding will have to take place should the house just pass the senate bill "first."

29 "The Senate cannot promise its way out of a brown paper bag.”

What a truly bizarre perversion of a figure of speech.

30 idk about everyone else, but my favorite thing about this whole thing is watching Bob Beckle (Hannity's friend as he always reminds me), Keith Olbermann, Rachael Maddow, Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, & Larry O'Donnel self implode before our very eyes in the MSM

31

The American people will love you once they realize what is actually in this bill.

As if Howard Dean knows what is in the damn thing.

Hell, page 1,409 could be nuclear launch codes or a recipe for osso bucco for all we know.

32 Ace found his bottle of Tylenol®

33 If the house passes the CURRENT senate bill, then all these 'republican ideas to be included in the bill', is a lie. (I know, I know...shocka).  The republican ideas that Bambi said came from the summit are NOT currently in the senate bill. 

34

The republican ideas window dressing BS that Bambi said came from the summit are NOT currently in the senate bill.

FIFY

35 Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 04, 2010 03:08 PM (B+qrE)

Heh, I was trying to be sarcastic. It's from hotair headlines.

actual quote: “It’s easy to campaign on repealing something if no one knows what the something is,” Dean said. “And fundamentally people don’t understand what the president’s healthcare plan is.”

36 Just wondering if the Republicans are all hanging tough or not. Obama is desperate for any slice of Republican support - a big point of that charade last week. He seems to be focusing more on Democrats now, but I haven't heard whether some of the RINOs were wavering, figuring that his wagging his finger at the trial lawyers in the revised bill made it "bi-partisan".  

37 Well the current Dem bill is an absolutely brilliant product of what we have come to know as the modern legislative process. Nearly perfect in terms of new legislation in combines ineffective with expensive while diminishing neither, also while being totally unacceptable to both statist and individualist philosophies, incomprehensibly complex, yet contains ideas so simplistic a four year old can tell you the pieces and parts are individually and collectively a bad idea. Truly a monument to the modern lawmaking process.

38 Just wait until The Precedent starts pulling the race card on these dems, just as with Shrillary and "America's first black impeached President" during the primaries ...

39 You want to know the count?  They are 10 votes short.  How do I know?  Well, I don't really, but Obama invited 10 "no" votes to the white house meeting.  Those that they feel are most likely to flip.

"So what's it going to take to get you into a new car today?"

40 I really prefer other sites where the blog owner is always right no matter what the issue. Has more of a slave - master type feel.

41

And fundamentally people donÂ’t understand what the presidentÂ’s healthcare plan is.

Governor YEAAARGGHHH!!! once again demonstrates that Sarah Palin was not the greatest bullet dodged in the previous decade.

I think Lamar Alexander and Paul Ryan both showed in great detail that what is in THE THING^tm VERSION 2.0 is understood.  And it blows goats.  In public.  With children present.

My consipratorial side wonders what is in store for the summer to make us all forget about this by November.  [Shudder.]

42 Tipping point?  Or holding out for bribes?

43 kansas, you are so banned

44 This is the current situation as it is.  They cannot pass a bill through the Senate anymore due to Scott Brown.  So they have to take the already passed Senate bill and pass that in the House.

The problem is House Dems see the Senate bill as being too moderate and not enough progressive change that is represented in the House bill (i.e.; no public option).  The House Progressive Caucus, the largest caucus in the House, refuses to vote for something without a public option or more liberal terms.  That is why they're hesitating about voting for the Senate bill.  In a way to capitulate to the House Dems, the leadership has agreed to do a reconciliation bill after to pass fixes on the Senate bill after it becomes law.

But if the House Dems pass the Senate bill, their healthcare has already taken hold.  They don't necessarily have to do a reconciliation bill.  The Senate can say screw you to the House Dems after they pass the Senate bill and have Obama sign the Senate bill into law.

45

 I really prefer other sites where the blog owner is always right no matter what the issue. Has more of a slave - master type feel.

Good-I've got you down for 2 calendars!

46

My consipratorial side wonders what is in store for the summer to make us all forget about this by November.  [Shudder.]

Posted by: Circa Re: 42.

Well, since the turd doesn't kick in for 4 years, even November 2012 might be a problem.

47 Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 04, 2010 03:18 PM (A46hP)
 
Oops.  The "first" should have been stricken, too.

48

Those switching from yes-to-no seem to have an easier rhetorical time with this: They can placate independents with their vote, and their liberal base with their reasoning, just by saying (as we keep hearing) this bill isn't liberal enough for them.

Agreed!  Half of the assholes commenting at DU hate this current ObamaCare and are pissed at Obamacare.  They would just as soon see it die if it doesn't include single payer or public option.  They want one of those or nothing at all. And these shitheads are is base!

 

49 #21

The House members aren't COMPLETE f@#$ing idiots. . . (Well at least SOME of them aren't).

So none of them are going to vote blindly to approve the Senate bill without knowing EXACTLY what's going to be in the "fix".

If I were a House member (and I'm not. . .yet), I'd insist that the text of any fix be standardized and made public before I would commit my vote one way or the other, thereby giving Pelosi and Obama no latitude to make promises they don't intend to keep later about what might be in the fix.

Given the public disgust with backroom deals, there will also be public pressure to have this "fix" be made public before a vote.

The upshot here is that Pelosi is going to have to come up with a "fix" that:
a. Will satisfy a majority of the House to accept the Senate version and
b. Will pass the Senate with 51 votes.
c. Is actually technically/procedurally valid.

Considering the razor thin margins in the house, this is not so easy.   Note that its not entirely clear that the problematic abortion language even CAN be fixed by reconciliation (see the last Stupak thread).  If not, it would require a full Senate vote, which then subjects it to Republican filibuster.

50 Hi Charles,
That's the first time you responded to a post of mine and didn't remind me I was wrong. Yeah, I'll take a case of calendars. And double up on those pictures of fence hinges. They make a real statement.

51
Remember folks,  these are dems.  They're holding out for handouts,  favors,  pay-offs,  etc.  They know the Chicago way and who they're dealing with.  Obama might as well dress up like the Easter Bunny.

52 This presidency makes my eyes rain.

53

Please call your representatives.

I would, but mine is Emanuel Cleaver. 

54 Obama might as well dress up like the Easter Bunny Satan Claus.

55 So what's the revised title of this bill?
"Iä! Shub-Niggurath!" Perhaps?

56 Please call your representatives.

I live in the California bay area [sobs]

57 My rep is full fledged liberal.

But I will be making a call in November.

58 If Robert Byrd were a member of the Beach Boys:

Ba ba ba ba ba barbaric!
Ba ba ba ba ba barbaric!

59 52
Remember folks,  these are dems.  They're holding out for handouts,  favors,  pay-offs,  etc.  They know the Chicago way and who they're dealing with.  Obama might as well dress up like the Easter Bunny.

Posted by: Dang at March 04, 2010 03:26 PM (UA4gE)

Hell that's why there was such enthusiasm when Obama campaigned, they were all in waiting licking their chops.

as were their Voting constituents.

60 On the morning news in Des Moines, Iowa 1st district Democrat Bruce Braley said he was looking for something in writing from the Senate, before votes are cast. Everyone is looking for cover, now.

Nowhere on his web page does it indicate that he's a Democrat. Funny that.

61 My rep is full fledged liberal.

Then call and tell them not to  vote for such a weak bill.

62 56 So what's the revised title of this bill?
"Iä! Shub-Niggurath!" Perhaps?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 03:32 PM (0q2P7)

You Anti-Shubist...

63 OT: But how about a little fight on the women's basketball court

64 (snip) Truly a monument to the modern lawmaking process.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 03:14 PM (0q2P7)

Sounds like you're channeling Krauthammer there, MtM.  Sounds like something he would say, almost exactly how he'd say it.

And yes, I mean that as a compliment!

65 Will the parallel bill involve Bizarro World Abortions?

66

I'd also bet that a good majority of the "I haven't decided yet" crowd is a No vote.  They don't want the nutroots and the MSM to chew on them from now til vote time.

Some may be holding out for a sweetener in the recon bill but thats a promise that clearly has an expiration date.  Like, a minute after the House votes Yes on the Senate bill and Obama grabs a pen and signs it into law on the back of the first Democratic flunky he see's.

67 My rep is full fledged liberal.

Then call and tell them not to  vote for such a weak bill.

Yeah, that'll work.

68 My rep is full fledged liberal.

Then call and tell them not to  vote for such a weak bill.

Yeah, that'll work.

Public Option or nothing, damn it!

69 Whenever I call Silvestre Reyes, I have to press "Numero Dos"

70 The Senate bill as is contains the mother of all poison pills, much bigger than abortion: the Cadillac-plan tax.  It's precisely the Left wing of the House Democrats that are being told in no uncertain terms by the unions that they cannot vote for the Senate bill without an iron-clad guarantee that the Cadillac-plan tax will be stripped out.  The Lefties don't give a rip about Stupak and his friends, but they sure as hell listen when the union bosses speak.

71 OT:  Stark out...Levin in.  Well that didn't last long!

Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.) will be the acting chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) announced to her caucus on Thursday.

The startling announcement comes a day after Rep. Pete Stark (D-Calif.) appeared ready to take the reins of the committee from Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.).

Stark was the next in line for the post in terms of seniority, but some panel members recoiled at the idea of his leading the committee. Stark is known for making controversial and eccentric remarks, and in 2007 he apologized on the House floor for comments about President George W. Bush and the Iraq War.

72

Heard more than a few of the Dim's in the House (and no, that wasn't a misspelling) make similar noises of late.  Makes you wonder how many of them will eventually vote against and how many are just making such noises because they want some huge under the table payoff from Pelosi for their support.

Think they'll probably be a lot more subtle this time around, at least one would hope so, but I'd be interested in keeping track of how many of them start making statements like this and then later vote to pass the Senate bill.

Be willing to bet most of them get some sweetheart committee assignment or some other pay off a few months down the road.  Doubt the lamestream media will keep any kind of an eye on that though.

73 Nowhere on his web page does it indicate that he's a Democrat. Funny that.

He represents the folks who brought the Chicago projects to Davenport and Waterloo.  Could he be anything else?

74 Meanwhile, a thousand hookers have been sent to the Capitol on George Soros' Black AMEX card.. 

75 Scott Brown: Challenges the President on reconciliation

76

So what's the revised title of this bill?
"Iä! Shub-Niggurath!" Perhaps?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 03:32 PM (0q2P7)

How a Bill Becomes Law, Nancy Pelosi Edition.

77

"Who knew that waffles had to be flipped like pancakes."

and covered in brown, sugary goo

78 I live in the California bay area [sobs]

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 03:33 PM (0q2P7)

Me too.

79 #45

The only reason the Senate bill passed was because the Dems had a Senate supermajority.  The House version passed, though with only a relatively small majority.  There are still significant differences between the two versions, and despite the rhetoric, if these differences were easily reconcilable, they'd have already been fixed.

Since the original votes, due to the MA special election in the Senate, and various vacancies in the House, the Dem margins in BOTH bodies have shrunk.   Meanwhile, there has been ZERO increase in public support on this bill in that time, and, to the contrary, public dissatisfaction has only been growing. 

There is nobody left "on the fence" here who hasn't made up their mind, been approached, threatened, bribed, or probably all of the above already.    Some of the ones who have been through this process are probably bitter about it, and Reid, Pelosi, and Obama have all got to have less political capital to burn on this now than they did a few months back.

Also, there are probably a few House members who voted "yes" just to move things through figuring they'd get another shot at it during the normal Senate/House reconciliation process, not anticipating that the Senate version would get "locked" down by a surprise loss of the supermajority.  Election season is also getting closer and closer, and with this particular reform being almost universally unpopular, that has to weigh on legislators willingness to support this garbage. 

In short, the Dems barely got these bills through the two bodies the first time, and since that time the path to pass the package has only gotten steeper.

80 75 Meanwhile, a thousand hookers have been sent to the Capitol on George Soros' Black AMEX card.. 

Posted by: TexasJew at March 04, 2010 03:48 PM (NaUPn)

you meant, seiu ;teamster, labor (hookers) lobbyists: transvestites, black, white, hispanic, jewish ,christian, muslim. maybe a few dogs , mules, and camels.

81 Dear Congressman liberal jackoff,
I'm proud that you were able to create a pass  such a comprehensive bill that would bring coverage to millions of uninsured Americans. Truly the public option is the only route for millions of Americans afflicted with pre-existing conditions that make regular insurance unaffordable.  This measure has to be left in. As such, the Senate Health Care reform bill is entirely unacceptable.

By compromising on the Senate bill, I am certain that true health care reform will off the public radar and off the legislative agenda for decades to come. As someone who believes that the Public Option is necessary for real health care reform, I would rather seem a compromised bill go down in defeat, rather than have our cause cast aside for the next 20 years.

The fight for affordable health care for everyone is a noble goal that will not be accomplished by passing the Senate version of the bill. I am certain that millions of uninsurable Americans like myself would prefer waiting a short time for a better bill, than never getting the bill we deserve if the Senate version is to pass.

Please vote NO on the current Senate Bill and continue to fight for the bill we all deserve.

Sincerely,
Whiney Liberal Douche.

82 don't fgorget to bring the dough! wheat ,rye, or white!

83 He represents the folks who brought the Chicago projects to Davenport and Waterloo.  Could he be anything else?

Oh, I'm fully aware of what party this lawyer from Eastern Iowa University is from. It's just that everyone else that might see the web page might get a different impression, what with all the pictures of him with veterans, in Iraq, and fiscally conservative titles on the page.

84

"Who knew that waffles had to be flipped like pancakes."

and covered in brown, sugary goo

Posted by: Same song, different verse at March 04, 2010 03:50 PM (ucq49)

Take a good whiff.  That goo ain't sugar.

85

“I am not inclined to support the Senate version,” Berkley said. “I would like something more concrete than a promise. The Senate cannot promise its way out of a brown paper bag.”

Rep. Berkley may be familiar with the unreliability of promises, such as "I'll pull out" or "I won't cum in your mouth."

86
Niggurath

RAAAAAAAACIST!

87  live in the California bay area [sobs]

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 04, 2010 03:33 PM (0q2P7)

Me too

I used to live in the Bay Area and now I live in SC. But I live in one of those gerrymandered districts that guaranteed a Democrap so the Republicans could get more elected. [double sob sob]

88 How a Bill Becomes Law....

Ok that was pretty cool for an HPL fan.

89

64 OT: But how about a little fight on the women's basketball court

 

Looks like one feller got the other feller right in the adams apple!

90 the Tea Party Patriots have moved down to NV to be on the front lines of the midterm elections in NV and AZ..this critter will be on the list..I call it a big No vote once she realizes who she has in her backyard....

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