March 10, 2010

Nomentum: House Democrat Says No Means No
— Ace

He's among the 39 previous-no-votes being whipped. Except it's not 39, it's 38, but people keep saying 39. (One of the 39, Griffiths, flipped parties and now, obviously, will not be joining Pelosi's Suicide Squad.)

On the other hand, one no vote says "maybe."

Dem Rep Jim Marshall, a prominent Blue Dog who voted No last time but was believed to be open to backing the Senate bill, is now a definite No, his spokesperson confirms.

“Marshall is a no,” Marshall spokesperson Doug Moore tells our reporter, Ryan Derousseau.

...

But: Another Blue Dog in that same pool, Rep Jim Matheson, who also voted No last time, is now undecided.

“He is waiting for, among other items, the CBO score on the changes proposed by the President,” Matheson spokesperson Alyson Heyrend tells us.

Being "undecided" is the safe, default play, or it would be the safe, default play if this bill weren't so toxic. So it's no big deal if someone says he's undecided -- he should be undecided, theoretically, until he sees the legislative language. It's notable that so many don't need to see specifics to confirm their no.

Thanks to DrewM.


Posted by: Ace at 09:50 AM | Comments (54)
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1 But it isn't rape-rape.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 10, 2010 09:52 AM (T0NGe)

2 AmishDude at March 10, 2010 01:52 PM (T0NGe)

You lie!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at March 10, 2010 09:53 AM (IhQuA)

3 Being undecided means that a naked Rhanbo isn't poking you in the shower.

Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 09:53 AM (0Hn5w)

4 Damn, my waxing streak ended at 5.

Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 09:53 AM (0Hn5w)

5 I need an adult!  Bad touch!  Bad touch!

Posted by: A blue dog who wants to keep his job at March 10, 2010 09:54 AM (T0NGe)

6

So the House leadership is trying to stop talk of deadlines, while House members are openly stating that they are waiting to base their decision upon the CBO score. Meanwhile, our President is holding Potemkin village style 'public' meetings.

In a logical world, these are signs that this thing is dead. But we're talking about D.C, not a logical world.

Posted by: Blue Hen at March 10, 2010 09:54 AM (R2fpr)

7 I just found out that the event that I am attending in Washington tonight is honoring Steny Hoyer.  Can't wait...Will report back when I get the chance.

HH

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 10, 2010 09:55 AM (oQIfB)

8 7. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Posted by: dagny at March 10, 2010 09:57 AM (FPGEs)

9

PRESENT!!11

Posted by: Mythical Blue Dog Democrat at March 10, 2010 09:58 AM (CfmlF)

10 I live in Utah and Matheson is catching holy hell about his possible change from a previous no vote to a yes vote.  The proposed judicial appointment of his brother is now front and center in the local news. Hopefully, he will return to the solid "no" vote column.

Posted by: conscious, but saying Matheson is democratic pond scum at March 10, 2010 09:58 AM (Vu6sl)

11 Jim Marshall does not understand the process. First, he is supposed to vote Yes. Then, after the bill passes, Pelosi will magnanimously allow him to take a peek at the language of the bill, and only then Marshall can determine whether he should vote for the bill or not.

On a side note, given Rahm's penchant for poking people, does that explain the smile on Pelosi's face?

Posted by: Tushar at March 10, 2010 09:58 AM (KXhmI)

12

An idiot two rows behind me at last night's lax game was saying that the thought they should just lower the age for medicare every two years until everyone was emcompassed. It was all I could do not to turn around and say, "You know Medicare is insolvent, right? And that they are cutting services?and they have a fraud problem, right?

I didn't say anything though because my husband frowns on my arguing with random parents.

Posted by: dagny at March 10, 2010 10:01 AM (FPGEs)

13 The problem is that the deadlines were designed to sweep this away.  This has been their MO from the beginning.  You make the legislation inevitable and so if you want your pork, get on board.

It's not working now.  Their schtick has been worn out and this thing has gone on so long that Congresspeeps can be confident that voting no will get them more than voting yes will.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 10, 2010 10:01 AM (T0NGe)

14 Will SOMEBODY finally drive a stake through Zerocare's satanic heart? Somebody should feel at least a tinge of regret for being on the team that wants to destroy the work of millions of real Americans, not to mention those who died in the Revolutionary war, and drafted and signed the Constitution. Fuck!

Posted by: maddogg at March 10, 2010 10:02 AM (OlN4e)

15
On a side note, given Rahm's penchant for poking people, does that explain the smile on Pelosi's face?

In regards to the picture, I believe I already grossed everyone out already by mentioning thigh moisture.

Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 10:02 AM (0Hn5w)

16 Matheson will sing a different tune once everyone forgets about his bother's new job. 

Posted by: memc at March 10, 2010 10:03 AM (UhFPg)

17 This is the prequel to The Wizard of Oz, culminating with the House landing on top of the Wicked Witch of the West. Then the A-team shows up, drags Pelosi out from underneath, shoots her full of silver bullets, pounds a stake in her little black heart, cuts off her head and burns the body. I love a happy ending!

Posted by: KilltheHippies at March 10, 2010 10:04 AM (VKfXw)

18 I'm still available.

Posted by: the watermelon at March 10, 2010 10:04 AM (cpuvG)

19 3 Being undecided means that a naked Rhanbo isn't poking you in the shower.

Posted by: taylork at March 10, 2010 01:53 PM (0Hn5w)

It's never too late!

Posted by: conscious and keeping my distance from Rahm "Showerman" Emanuel at March 10, 2010 10:04 AM (Vu6sl)

20

I didn't say anything though because my husband frowns on my arguing with random parents.

 

 

Heh!  I'd love to see you deliver a smackdown on that idiot parent.  Shoot Dagny, what do you think those sticks are for?  Plus that ball really hurts when you peg someone in the head with it--solid rubber, baby!  (I played LAX in H.S., what an absolutely awesome game!)

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2010 10:04 AM (CfmlF)

21 I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.....

Posted by: Cap'n Barbossa at March 10, 2010 10:05 AM (I/MqP)

22 Even if I were voting no, I think I'd tell everyone I was voting yes so I don't have to worry about a finger poking shower incident from a naked Rahm Emanuel.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at March 10, 2010 10:06 AM (Q41Zh)

23 Oh come on, when a man says no he doesn't really <mean> no.

Posted by: Eric Massa (D-former rep) at March 10, 2010 10:06 AM (TpXEI)

24 Now see?  A perfect example of how people misunderstood Obama's nomination of Matheson's brother to the federal judiciary.  Just a coincidence.  Move along...

Posted by: Sue at March 10, 2010 10:06 AM (RybmS)

25

Posted by: conscious and keeping my distance from Rahm "Showerman" Emanuel at March 10, 2010 02:04 PM (Vu6sl)

 

I bet nothing would make a man tighten his grip on his bar of soap harder than an impromptu shower visit from Rahm.  (Not to mention his sphincter muscles!)

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2010 10:07 AM (CfmlF)

26 10 I live in Utah and Matheson is catching holy hell about his possible change from a previous no vote to a yes vote.  The proposed judicial appointment of his brother is now front and center in the local news. Hopefully, he will return to the solid "no" vote column.     Good, I hope they turn up the screws on this douchebag. 

Posted by: runningrn at March 10, 2010 10:09 AM (CfmlF)

27 O/T:  ABC news just said that the Minneapolis schools are all on lock down as they received a call saying that "someone wanted to shoot up a school and then commit suicide".    Ugh

Posted by: curious at March 10, 2010 10:09 AM (p302b)

28

I bet nothing would make a man tighten his grip on his bar of soap harder than an impromptu shower visit from Rahm.  (Not to mention his sphincter muscles!)

I think I would be concentrating more on my grip on Rahm's Pencil like throat....

Posted by: maddogg at March 10, 2010 10:09 AM (OlN4e)

29 @10 - Good point, I forgot that Matheson was the brother of the appointee.

“He is waiting for, among other items, the CBO score on the changes proposed by the President,”

I am getting confused or congress is.  If they make changes, they have to go reconciliation or a vote in both chambers again.  But even the senate dems are now shying away from using reconciliation. So WTF are they trying to tell us, that obama is a dictator?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 10, 2010 10:09 AM (cpuvG)

30 Actually, being undecided gets you manhandled by Rahm in towel in the steam room.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at March 10, 2010 10:09 AM (Q41Zh)

31 >>Not to mention his sphincter muscles!

Rahm will just poke harder.

Posted by: Tushar at March 10, 2010 10:10 AM (KXhmI)

32 17 This is the prequel to The Wizard of Oz, culminating with the House landing on top of the Wicked Witch of the West   Ob!tch of the West Wing.

FIFY

Posted by: ghost of nO's passed at March 10, 2010 10:11 AM (PI/0J)

33 On a side note, given Rahm's penchant for poking people, does that explain the smile on Pelosi's face? Great, now I've got a mental image of Nan and Rahm...ewwwwwwwwwwww.

Posted by: joncelli at March 10, 2010 10:11 AM (RD7QR)

34 The Pelosi "carrot-stick" approach is wearing thin. 

Pork-bribes aren't persuasive if the bribee will lose their seat over them.

Likewise, threats from Pelosi won't have any bite once she loses the speakership.  That's a virtual certainty, and she'll never be able to regain it.



Posted by: looking closely at March 10, 2010 10:11 AM (6Q9g2)

35 With all these new headlines conjures new meaning to the words "ram it through".

Posted by: curious at March 10, 2010 10:12 AM (p302b)

36 >>The Pelosi "carrot-stick" approach is wearing thin.

Rahm uses both for poking.

Posted by: Tushar at March 10, 2010 10:15 AM (KXhmI)

37 hey hey..."It's diet not diabetes"  dontcha know?

Posted by: curious at March 10, 2010 10:18 AM (p302b)

Posted by: conscious and keeping my distance from Rahm at March 10, 2010 10:18 AM (Vu6sl)

39 I bet Nancy has yelled "Ram it through" a time or two before. Sounds like Massa has too...

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 10, 2010 10:18 AM (M2K1f)

40

Matheson is a liberal in a district that should be a Republican one. He is a "worried" Dem and I think he will vote NO again. This "maybe" shit is to get Nanny Nan off his back.

Posted by: Vic at March 10, 2010 10:20 AM (QrA9E)

41 That Matheson fucker is smart.  He got a federal bench nomination to switch from no to maybe.  I wonder what's he wants to switch from maybe to yes?

A wax job?

A Massa tousle?

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at March 10, 2010 10:22 AM (83OVT)

42

Pelosi's Suicide Squad

Heh.  The Pelosi divine wind, the Pelosi kamakaze.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 10, 2010 10:23 AM (BEXqc)

43 Matheson is in a gerrymandered district in Utah - they stuck all of the liberals and those who might be liberal in one district. Of course, it is Utah liberal so he has to be very careful.

Posted by: Jean at March 10, 2010 10:29 AM (/8Gs3)

44 Can we now officially call the Dem's the "party of no"?

Posted by: sierra at March 10, 2010 10:32 AM (ZJYcC)

45 What a wonderful country we would have if the amount of pork delivered (ie $$ redistributed from one part of the country to another) were completely removed from legislative consideration.  When a congresscritter couldn't campaign on his record of stealing from all the other states.  Or at least if bragging about it was a campaign killer rather than a winner.

Posted by: Mark in Portland at March 10, 2010 10:38 AM (BD2Ek)

46

I'd love Emanuel to poke me in the chest, I'd rip his fucking head off and shit down his throat.  I'm not kidding.   I'd knock his mother fucking head off, then I'd spend the night in jail then I'd be a celebritard and get my own radio show.

It's going to happen.  Emanuel is a pussy and his ass will be kicked.

Posted by: gus at March 10, 2010 10:44 AM (Vqruj)

47 When any Democrat says NO!! HELL NO!! What he/she is really saying is "I am open for a sweeter bribe/gift/any type of better offer. I'll be in my office.

Posted by: mystry at March 10, 2010 10:49 AM (kmgIE)

48

Matheson may realize that he is going to lose his seat either way.

The LIBTARD party is not going to know what hit them.   Pelosi better pray that Republicans don't take over the HOUSE, because she used AIR FORCE JETS for her family to fly about, when she WAS NOT ON BOARD.

She is in deep shit.

Posted by: gus at March 10, 2010 10:49 AM (Vqruj)

49

The undecided really want to vote No but they don't want the wrath of Rahm or the nutroots coming down on them so they are looking for a figleaf.  Waiting for the recon bill works because no matter what is in it they can point at it and say, "Look, it didn't fix X the way I want it", and vote no with an excuse.

The only reason to vote Yes is because you have drunk the Obama kool aide and if you have you are already willing to say Yes.  So Undecided votes are in the closet No's.

Posted by: Jeff at March 10, 2010 10:52 AM (1QKZf)

50 I can see the healthcare votes from my house.

Posted by: Nancy Peloser at March 10, 2010 11:13 AM (5I0Yr)

51

"I can see the healthcare votes from my house."

Nancy dear, please come inside.  No, they're not votes.  Not fireflies either.  They're torches.  No, it'll be OK.  Let me help you.

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