1 KEEP CALLIN AND FAXIN:  NY DELEGATION ON FENCE, NOW WITH PHONE NUMBERS AND FAX NUMBERS:

The Honorable Michael E. McMahon
323 Cannon HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone: (202) 225-3371
Fax (202) 226-1272

The Honorable Tim Bishop
306 Cannon H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
Phone 202-225-3826
Fax(202) 225-3143

The Honorable Dan Maffei
1630 Longworth HOB
Washington, D.C. 20515
Phone (202) 225-3701
Fax(202) 225-4042

The Honorable Bill Owens
2366 Rayburn House Office Bldg
Washington, DC 20515-3223
Phone 202-225-4611
Fax(202) 226-0621

The Honorable Scott Murphy
Washington, DC Office
120 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone (202) 225-5614
Fax(202) 225-1168

The Honorable Mike Arcuri
127 Cannon HOB •
Washington, DC 20515
Phone  (202)225-3665
Fax(202)225-1891

2

Oh, don't worry my friends. That bill is gonna pass.

BTW, does any one know how to prevent anal rupture when getting ass raped?

3 It amazes me that CA has the largest congressional delegation but not one fence sitter. It is as if the districts are rigged out here to be either ultra liberal or ultra conservative, but never moderate.

4 That mofo, Brian Baird is the Rep for my husband's family's district  (who totally got beat up at a Health Care Town Meeting last summer by an Iraqi War Vet) has switched to the "yes" column.   I guess since he isn't running for reelection, he can just screw his constituents that weren't going to vote for him the next go round.  Nice.

5 Malor, I gotta song for you on this subject.  Coming right up.

6 Here it is:  The No Song.

7 That mofo, Brian Baird

Epitomy of a Seattle liberal. Fucker.

8 Here's another version with a blonde chick playing Healthcare and House Democrats played by a bunch of guys dressed in black.

9 Kill the bill before the bill kills you.

10 BTW, does any one know how to prevent anal rupture when getting ass raped?

I wish I knew

11 #2 Max Power LOL!!!

12 MW, Kill Bill, heh.  Good one.

13

Just so I'm clear:

 

Marion Berry - Yes on Crack and Hookers, but No to a huge reparations bill that would benefit tons of my constituents, because it also pays for abortions.

 

Do I have that right?  Really??

14 Intrade is still over 70% so if you want to double your money quick.

15

Kill Bill, heh.  Good one.

That movie sucked.

Tarentino Blows.

16 I think those are different peeps...not the former mayor of DC, right?

17

7: Epitomy of a Seattle liberal.

Brian Baird represents the Vancouver, WA area, which is not a typical Seattle liberal area.  Not hardcore conservatives, but made up largely of refugees from the Peoples' Republic of Portland.  So, tends to be conservative.  Yes he is screwing his constituents who avoided/fled Portland because of the high taxes and would probably have been voted out of office this year if he had run for re-election.

18

This bill is dead.  I know.  I know.  Gentlemen, it's too soon ........

My dog is over in the corner, goin' to town.  He's never wrong.

19
What can I do to bring on a medically induced coma for the week or so?

20 Leaked excerpt from Obama's next speech: "But but but...this bill will create 11-ty bazillion jobs and create a gazillion trillion dollars, and save all the children, twice!, and cure cancer for everyone in the galaxy, and and and... This is all Bush's fault! poopy-heads! you're all a bunch of poopy heads! and racists! racist poopy heads!! i WON and this is so unfair! waaaaaaaaah! i'm tired of talking! gonna have me a 40, and some smoke, and a big line of blow, and think about what a big fat ass my wife has. and you're all poopy heads. stupid democracy anyhow."

21 I think those are different peeps...not the former mayor of DC, right?

Posted by: garrett

 

hahahahaha oh Man... just looked him up... yeah, Not the guy I was picturing.  Boy is my face red!  hahahaha

22 Whip it GOOD!

23 15

Kill Bill, heh.  Good one.

That movie sucked.

Tarentino Blows.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2010 07:32 PM (539WV)

Uhm, wot?

24 What can I do to bring on a medically induced coma for the week or so?

Posted by: Dang

 

I'm going to Vegas for March Maddness... that oughta do it.

25
That orchestra better play louder.

26 Maybe a new house rule is in order..... nay votes shal be counted as yea for purposes of tally of obamacare votes

27

Uhm, wot?

You heard me. 

One. Trick. Pony.

28 13 -- Wrong guy. This is the Marion Berry from Arkansas' CD-1; he was a "yes" vote last time and he's retiring, so there's no reason to count on him now.

I still like our odds. Suck it, Intrade.

29
..... nay votes shal be counted as yea for purposes of tally of obamacare votes

Opposite Day is Cryptkeeper Pelosi's next legistlative trick.

30

You heard me. 

One. Trick. Pony.

Pretty much. The dude really needs somebody on set to tell him when to stop masturbating, but then I guess his movies would only be ten minutes long. By the 60th or 70th time he name-dropped G.W. Pabst in "Inglorious Basterds" I was ready to chunk the TV out the window.< /threadjack >

31 I find abslutely no reason to think that five democrats can't be bought by this weekend.  I praying for my country.

32

Barack will have Marion over to the White House and toot a few lines with him, that'll be all it takes.

Marion Berry is a flexable kind of guy.  I wouldn't put too much hope in him.

33 One. Trick. Pony.

Yep.

34

Pretty much. The dude really needs somebody on set to tell him when to stop masturbating, but then I guess his movies would only be ten minutes long.

I might have typed that word for word...save only a reference to Clive McClean having similar talent!

35 Driehaus is no idiot.  That's Cincinnati's district. He beat out Steve Chabot, a dependable conservative who came in with the Revolution in '94.  He's well aware that never would have happened without ACORN hauling the inner city to the polls by the truckload.  Chabot is running again to reclaim his seat, and this is the only chance Driehaus has to hold on.

36 I posted this in the other thread about the votes but will repost here. I called Lincoln Davis (D-TN) again today. I called two local offices and the D.C. office. They all said he was a no vote. I asked at each if he was going to be swayed by Pelosi and they said no. After reading the post again about a statement, I called back and asked if he would be issuing one and his staffer said he does not normally post a statement. I said it would help the other Blue Dogs (if there is still such a thing) if he would put out a statement as it would give them support. I asked if he was afraid of Pelosi and his staffer was really shocked I asked that but then said - NO he was not afraid of Pelosi and that she knew where he stood on his NO vote. So as always I said we are watching him and he will not be elected dogcatcher if he notes yes. We will see after the vote. I called his office after the last vote and thanked him for voting no - I hope I get to do that again.

37 Adler is my congress critter. I wrote him an e-mail today. You can thank me for defeating health care with tens & twenties. Female morons can send booby pics.

38

We will see after the vote. I called his office after the last vote and thanked him for voting no - I hope I get to do that again.

If you didn't express that sentiment to the staffer explicitly, do so.  It will carry much weight.

39 Well, I will concede he does tend to get mastubatory after awhile, but I still enjoy his movie slayings. They are death porn. Plus, his one trick is more enjoyable than 90% of the other shit coming out of H'wood. Wanna see another America-bashing shaky cam flick? Pass.

40

If this thing passes, I'm ready to march (and do some burning?).

But I digress.

41

37 Adler is my congress critter. I wrote him an e-mail today. You can thank me for defeating health care with tens & twenties. Female morons can send booby pics.

I'm all out of 10s and 20s, but I'll send along some moobie pics.

lucky you

42 38 - I did mention that to the staffers. If I have to call again I am going to ask them if "they the staffers" are concerned about losing their jobs. Because it is not just the congress jerks that will lose their jobs so they better get to talking to their people and if one of them ever comes to my company to look for a job after they get defeated - good luck with that one.

43
Will the Ides of March kill ObamaCare?

I hope not.

44 40

If this thing passes, I'm ready to march (and do some burning?).

I'll be flaming over this every step of the way!

45

What's the over/under on congressmen and women who will be assassinated wif this passes?  Seriously?

46 Hmmm, running the live cd of Ubuntu 9.1. Looks kinda different.

47 Brian Baird represents the Vancouver, WA area, which is not a typical Seattle liberal area.  Not hardcore conservatives, but made up largely of refugees from the Peoples' Republic of Portland.  So, tends to be conservative.  Yes he is screwing his constituents who avoided/fled Portland because of the high taxes and would probably have been voted out of office this year if he had run for re-election.

I consider any dem west of the cascades a Seattle Liberal. LOL

48

What's the over/under on congressmen and women who will be assassinated wif this passes?  Seriously?

Posted by: Truman North at March 15, 2010 07:59 PM (FjC5u)

I don't know, but I bet they have a hard time showing themselves in public.  I hope like hell I run across one of them.   Guess I'll be going to jail for punching somebody in the throat.

49 47 Brian Baird represents the Vancouver, WA area, which is not a typical Seattle liberal area.  Not hardcore conservatives, but made up largely of refugees from the Peoples' Republic of Portland.  So, tends to be conservative.  Yes he is screwing his constituents who avoided/fled Portland because of the high taxes and would probably have been voted out of office this year if he had run for re-election.

I consider any dem politician west of the cascades a Seattle Liberal. LOL

fixt

50

Oh, by the way, despite 60 deaths and the state of Rhode Island in an official state of emergency, nobody in the local press has blamed global warming.

We're winning that fucker, at least.

51
You want proof that I'm smarter than you? Here it is:

============================================

Oh, and regarding the story in today's news about that asshole who couldn't stop his Prius...

BULLSHIT!

I'll bet my left nut there is nothing defective on that car. It was a stunt to get on the news, screw Toyota, make some money, or maybe all of the above.
Posted by: Me at March 09, 2010 08:43 AM
=============================================

I'll keep my left nut, thank you very much.

52 Just filled out my Census form. Omitted my phone number, chose the "Other" option on Question #9 and wrote in "American". It's already been licked, sealed and dropped in the out-going box.
If they're keeping a list of subversives, I bet I just made the cut.

53

What's the over/under on congressmen and women who will be assassinated wif this passes?  Seriously?

Why would people wait?

...a couple of 'no' voters get an overdose of aspirin and it's all over for team USA.

A Pre-Emptive Assasination might be the solutiion we've been clamboring for!?!?

/sarc/sorta/sarc?

54 If you people are *trusting* these Donkeys to do anything except tongue Their Master's Hole, then you're deluded.

The bill is going to pass.  Easily.  And these asshats will go on to cushy lobbying jobs, already promised by Their Master's Hole.

Sheesh.  Get real.

55 Guess I'll be going to jail for punching somebody in the throat.

Posted by: Steph

If political correctness has taught me anything, it's that it's cute when a woman batters a man.  So, just make sure it's a guy first, and everyone will have a good laugh at his expense.

56
Is it just me or are the comment-field edit buttons and doo-dads gone again?

57 Did anyone else notice that there is no place on the Census for a Signature? What's the point?

58

If political correctness has taught me anything, it's that it's cute when a woman batters a man.  So, just make sure it's a guy first, and everyone will have a good laugh at his expense.

Posted by: Truman North at March 15, 2010 08:03 PM (FjC5u)

Kind of hard to tell with those f^ckwits, though, but I'll try.

59 If it's mathematically possible to pass I think it will. I don't trust these fucking fucks.

60

If political correctness has taught me anything, it's that it's cute when a woman batters a man.  So, just make sure it's a guy first, and everyone will have a good laugh at his expense.

As long as you immediately apologize and act concerned, you'll be fine.

If all else fails, start sobbing.  There's no defense for that shit.

61 54 If you people are *trusting* these Donkeys to do anything except tongue Their Master's Hole, then you're deluded.

The bill is going to pass.  Easily.  And these asshats will go on to cushy lobbying jobs, already promised by Their Master's Hole.

Sheesh.  Get real.

Yeah. The whole thing'll be a done deal by the August 2009 recess; signed, sealed and delivered. Everyone just give up now.

Thanks a lot.

62 It's been a "done deal" for 15 months. Still ain't got shit, though, do they? Keep fighting, keep calling, keep e-mailing, etc...
And if they do force this abomination on us over the objections of theConstitution, then feel free to ignore every thing they say from that point forward, because it'll all be meaningless.
They'll have already killed the very Country they pretend to serve.

63

64

Why would people wait?

...a couple of 'no' voters get an overdose of aspirin and it's all over for team USA.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2010 08:02 PM (539WV)

Oh come on; like that would ever happen.

65

But, but, but, Obama today said my employer would save 3000% on healthcare, and I will get a raise.

////losing my job 5/1 because of this sh!t sandwich. 

66 osted by: awkward pause at March 15, 2010 08:11 PM (tgXx6) I can't believe you said that!!! WTF is wrong with you?!?!?

67 60

If political correctness has taught me anything, it's that it's cute when a woman batters a man.  So, just make sure it's a guy first, and everyone will have a good laugh at his expense.

As long as you immediately apologize and act concerned, you'll be fine.

If all else fails, start sobbing.  There's no defense for that shit.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2010 08:06 PM (539WV)

Seriously. How do you think I've managed to avoid jail time? Plus, never have a single ticket?

68

As long as you immediately apologize and act concerned, you'll be fine.

If all else fails, start sobbing.  There's no defense for that shit.

Posted by: garrett at March 15, 2010 08:06 PM (539WV)

Maybe I can pass off the tears of hysterical laughing as actual remorse, when the SOB hits the ground.

69

But, but, but, Obama today said my employer would save 3000% on healthcare, and I will get a raise.

Math is hard ... but I learned the Obama symphony in no time at all!

70 gabe, please make the list of congress critters in list format next time.  comma separated list way inferior to list

71 19
What can I do to bring on a medically induced coma for the week or so?
Posted by: Dang

Try reading the bill. No wait; that's for provoking a suicide attempt.

72 Don't get me wrong.  I'm still praying for a miracle.....and rechecking my ammo.

73 70 gabe, please make the list of congress critters in list format next time.  comma separated list way inferior to list




Yeah..and bring me a fucking coke.

74 gabe, please make the list of congress critters in list format next time. comma separated list way inferior to list We been using comma dee-limited files in these parts since we got axis to the interwebs. Go back to the city and take yer fancy-pants lists with you, Freak Boy.

75 OT but was reading at Legal Insurrection about the "coffee party" meetings held over the weekend - he linked to photos which show most of the attendees to be mostly white males but regardless their signs are pathetic!  "Involvement and Healthcare", "Involvement and Problem Solving"  ... I am very scared.

76

O/T...but, can someone tell me why our State Dept. feels the need to spend $5.4 mil on freakin' crystal stemware for our embassies?   AND...the contract goes to a company in Sweden.    Gawd...WTF is wrong with those people?

If we just took 1/3 of the money spent last year on stupid BS, & spent it on reducing taxes we could have a hell of a lot more people employed right now.

What a bunch of dumbass scrunts.

77

Why would people wait?

...a couple of 'no' voters get an overdose of aspirin and it's all over for team USA.

Not to worry, the Chinese will be looking for payback soon and when they don't get it...say lights out dem turds.

78 What's the over/under on congressmen and women who will be assassinated wif this passes?  Seriously?

Well, malicious scrunt Gabby Giffords will not set foot in Tucson and all her phone lines have been down for months now.

I figure that it's not worth my while to drive all the way down to whatever Jr. High School in Sierra Vista she's installing solar panels on.

But I am unemployed now thanks to her and her pals in D.C. doing every thing they could think of to kill the private sector and destroy jobs, and kind of bored.

I figger I should probably find some SEIU member and beat the snot out of them, just to pass the time...

Nah...I'll just keep applying and maybe I'll find some stupid company that hasn't heard about the whole "profits are bad and we Democrats will punish you if you try to hire people to help you make them" thing.

79 our State Dept. feels the need to spend $5.4 mil on freakin' crystal stemware

The congress spent a hundred times that on steaks, booze and hookers

80
Where is everyone, sitting in front of their toobs waiting for 24?

81 79 our State Dept. feels the need to spend $5.4 mil on freakin' crystal stemware

The congress spent a hundred times that on steaks, booze and hookers

The rest they just pissed away

82 Well, "moderates" and "independents", you're seeing what happens when you elect "moderate" and "blue dog" Democrats.

They lie.

Obamacare is a slam-dunk decision for a so-called moderate: No way in hell.

At the very least, it is a financial disaster at a time of near-record unemployment.  But it seems that even "fiscal conservatives" aren't.

83
81 The rest they just pissed away

I have visions of a kitchen junk drawer full of all kinds of receipts

84 O/T:  So o'really is finally discussing the incursion of Mexico into American airspace and all the murders in mexico in the last week.

85
hahahhaha, Dr House is a funny fuck!

86

Yeah..and bring me a fucking coke.

Someone need some Coke?

87 I just emailed my congress critter. But he is so far up Obama's ass...

88 You guys are forgetting Charles Krauthammer's prophetic words:

"They'll empty the treasury to get this passed." 

Doesn't make a difference to them that the treasury is already empty; they believe in Monopoly Money.  All of them.  Whoever wants whatever will get what he wants for a yes vote.

It's a done deal.  Are you seriously depending on *Democrats* to kill this shitware bill off?!?!  You're *really* basing the end of this bill on "Moderate Democrats?!?!?"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

89 The congress spent a hundred times that on steaks, booze and hookers

Posted by: Beto

 

GodDAMMITishouldabeenacongressman!

90

89

Someone pin a tail on this fracktard.

91 Here's your link 91

92 sanssoucy, you're the douchebag grasshopper who sits on his ass laughing at the ants for working so hard when winter's going to come anyway.

93
I am not a number!

94 I don't trust the Blue Dogs to figure out what "Free Our Healthcare" means.  Free?  That would be a yes vote, right?

95 95 I am not a number!

Our elected representatives are a bunch of  #2s

96
sanssoucy's right. What part of the comment do you disagree with?

97
We're not starting that positive thinking/eeyore bullshit, again, are we?

98 I live in Virginia, and trust me -- Perriello is a slimy little snake.  He will only vote against the bill if it is already going down. Don't listen to what he says.

99 I can haz poisoned apple a la Snow White to be awoken after this is all said and done by a kiss from a handsome Prince?

100

Look.  They gave Florida $8 billion.  For the measily price of $400 billion, $8 B per state, they can have their healthcare.  And it's simple.  Instead of counting the money that they are taking out of medicare and counting it twice, they just have to count it three times. 

What?  Are we out of paper?  Have we run out of green ink?  Are the printing presses broken?

 

101 Kids, I'd love to believe that A Magic Coalition of Mythical "Moderate Democrats" are going to rise from Granny Botox's Kingdom and killing off this abortion of a bill, but you're whistling past the graveyard if you're pinning your hopes on *Democrats* putting the best interests of the country before their own sick, pathetic ideology.

As Ann Coulter reminds, "There are a lot of bad Republicans, but there are no good Democrats."

Don't expect to be saved by *Democrats*.  If you're betting the farm on *Democrats*, you're waaaaaaaaay too fucking stupid to be trusted with even your own money.

102

73 Yeah..and bring me a fucking coke.
 

Oh, is THAT where cokes come from? The world gets more complicated everyday.

 

103 3 It amazes me that CA has the largest congressional delegation but not one fence sitter. It is as if the districts are rigged out here to be either ultra liberal or ultra conservative, but never moderate.

Posted by: tommylotto at March 15, 2010 07:20 PM (oHIHU)

That's exactly correct...it's the finest gerrymandering money can buy.

104

Well, it looks like they're going to use the Slaughter rule on Wednesday.   Too pussy to do it tomorrow when the Code Red rally is in DC.   Pelosi's office sent out a memo on how to handle the crowd & the talking points to use when talking to them.

Gawd, I wish I could stop hating those pricks. 

105 I don't give a flying fk if one other person does one thing to try and stop this piece of crap - I can not just do nothing even if it is just to call, fax and keep calling. They might take this country down but it dang sure ain't gonna be without a fight. So anyone who wants to say its over and they are gonna pass it go ahead but it ain't over till the last vote and I may not even give up then. That is all - sorry (rant off)

106 these politicians who change their votes are as racist as those WW2 marines in the Pacific.  By the way, support my new series.  Ovomit needs my donations!

107 Posted by: sanssoucy at March 15, 2010 08:29 PM (Iq+yI)

I understand the sentiment, as it shows how dire the circumstances are that we have to hope enough Democrats do the right thing and vote to kill the bill.  But the fact is that only a few of the undecided Democrats need to vote "No" for it to fail, as Pelosi doesn't have any margin for error to pass the bill.  Personally, I think the odds are 50/50 that it passes.  But even if it does pass, the next fight will likely be in the courts, with the Supreme Court's ruling over a decade ago that the line-item veto was unconstitutional establishing the possible legal precedent for ruling the "Slaughter Rule" is unconstitutional, as illustrated at The Corner:

http://tinyurl.com/yk3tltc

108 One would think that after the 1994 Democrat Holocaust that the word would get out that if a Congress Critter votes against the wishes of the people in the district that that Critter would be history.  It was gun control and Hillarycare  that caused the backlash. 

I think BHO should give several strong gun control confiscation speeches and publicly excoriate SCOTUS over the Heller decision. 

109 re: #95 -- I am not a number! Nice: i just started re-watching The Prisoner. If you imagine that everyone in the Village is a leftist twerp it makes the show all the more better. On the other hand, if you realize the Village is really California, then it becomes mildly depressing. Great series, though. Patrick McGoohan stars as Me, the only remaining conservative voice in California, unrelentingly pissed off and completely unyielding.

110 Got the census today too.  Now why does the govt want to know whether I have a mortgage on my house or not?  F them.

FYI, American is the race for #9 on the first person, its question #6 for additional people.

111 I can haz poisoned apple a la Snow White to be awoken after this is all said and done by a kiss from a handsome Prince?

Posted by: laceyunderalls jive talkin' at March 15, 2010 08:37 PM (OZrQq)

I've got some fruit for ya.

112

 I can haz poisoned apple a la Snow White to be awoken after this is all said and done by a kiss from a handsome Prince?

Consider it done.

113
It was a great series...thought-provoking and clever. McGoohan was fucking awesome as LONGSHANKS, though, in BRAVEHEART.

114 When, in the history of this nation, has a single entitlement *ever* been repealed?

Yep.  That's why Democrats are going to pass it.  They don't care about losses in November.  If we end up with 535 Republicans and Obama impeached, the Republicans won't have the guts to repeal this turkey.    It will stand, the public will become resigned to it, and Democrats will just grin and start the climb back to 50-50, with Republicans sputtering impotently.

It will  become just the newest "third rail" of American politics.   The Republicans will no more be able to rid us of it than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, or any of the other nanny state batshit. 

Democrats understand one basic principle; government is a ratchet.  It can tick forward, but it never ticks backward.

115 #115 -- re: McGoohan He was also great as the mad scientist dude in Scanners, a movie worth seeing just for the exploding head sequence.

116

Rick Boucher (VA-9). This guy is from the appalachian area. He is in love with crap n tax because then, he says, his district will get direct help from the govt and will not get the perks if it is pushed through via the EPA.

So his mind has already turned soviet--we have to do what Pelosi wants or we will be punished.

I imagine he is easily bought. However, he might be lookin' down a shotgun barrel if he pisses off these particular constituants.

We'll see

117 FIGHT!

118
heh, I'll put Scanners on the list...

119 73 70 gabe, please make the list of congress critters in list format next time.  comma separated list way inferior to list


Yeah..and bring me a fucking coke.

i thought this may have been interpreted as such when i channeled my inner paris hilton before posting.  nevertheless, i suspect it's not much effort on gabe's part to format the list one way or the other but it makes a big impact on readability.  Which would be a good thing if the reader wanted to take action based on the info presented.  which would make it more useful. 

what if, at the margin, a lurker was about to call up their congress critter to yell at them about this crappy bill and that call changed the critters vote, which defeated the bill?  but then the lurker gave up because it was too hard to find his critter.

 like, omg, gabe would be crushed knowing this and he would've thought, "why didn't some lurker come to me like a fucking man and tell me to order my congress critters in list format?"  thankfully, that won't happen now.  whew!

120 103 -- Yeah, you're right.

Gabe, better listen to this braying cockmunch and stop wasting your time posting whip counts. They don't matter. Everyone knows health care is a done deal by August October Thanksgiving Christmas January this week. If you're expecting to be saved by *Democrats* then you're waaaaaaay too fucking stupid to be posting stuff on this site and you need to be replaced by somebody who goes around giggling that all is lost and we should just sit here with our dicks in our hands watching the destruction of America with a smile.

People in Massachusetts, don't elect any more Republicans. In fact, don't even bother re-electing Scott Brown in two years; kick him out and replace him with a Democrat, somebody like Martha Coakley, or maybe even dig up another Kennedy you can entrench for forty years. See, Scott Brown is only one Republican from a state dominated by *Democrats*, and he serves in a U.S. Senate dominated by *Democrats*; and if you're expecting his vote against nationalized health care to mean anything in the face of that then you're waaaaaaaay too fucking stupid to be trusted to handle your own elections, and ought to have Brown kicked out and a Democrat appointed in his place just to get this health-care thing over with faster.

Republicans in Congress, do not do ANYTHING to fight back against ObamaCare when it passes. Don't even THINK about trying to repeal it once we've got both Houses and the Presidency in two years. See, in order to get back into power you'll need the votes of a lot of registered *Democrats*, and if you're counting on *Democrats* to sweep you into the majority then you're waaaaaaaaaay too fucking stupid to be trusted with it. Give us a lot of sweet talk about how much better you can "administer" ObamaCare instead; we'll eat that shit up.

And most importantly of all, GOP Congresspippls, whatever you do, do not, not, NOT oppose cap & trade, card check, amnesty, or anything else the Teleprompter Messiah wants to do from here on out. See, until next year, the only way these things can be defeated is with the votes of *Democrats*, and if you're counting on *Democrats* to save our asses then you're waaaaaay too fucking stupid to be trusted with your offices. In fact, maybe you should all be voted out this fall and replaced with *more Democrats* so that we'll all have more opportunity to whine that we can't get anything past the *Democrats*.

Roll over and die. Everyone shoot yourselves in the fucking heads now.

(See, I can be a worthless, defeatist shit-for-brains Obama tool too.)

121 It's done! It's a done deal! That's why the Democrats weren't able to get it passed up until! Because it's done!

Why weren't they able to pass it earlier? Don't ask me hard questions! It's done!

Now I call you stupid and beat off! Oh, it feels so good!

Stupid! You're stupid! Me smart! You stupid! It's done!

122 @ 100 You're probably right, but it's worth a shot. Everyone needs to keep calling Perriello and reminding the staffers of his promise. 202-225-4711

123 (See, I can be a worthless, defeatist shit-for-brains Obama tool too.)

That was pretty good.

124 I hate it that some fellow morons are unemployed.  I wish you the best, and will do my best to ensure these rat bastids are out of power ASAP.

125

government is a ratchet.  It can tick forward, but it never ticks backward.

 

ummm there is that button or toggle on the back... just sayin

126 Democrats understand one basic principle; government is a ratchet.  It can tick forward, but it never ticks backward.

Posted by: sanssoucy at March 15, 2010 08:51 PM (Iq+yI)

That's it exactly.

127 I'd love to think the battle isn't lost, but impotent bleating about "whip counts" is worthless; the plain fact is that the Democrats will never be this close again to an unrepeal-able takeover of a segment of society that - literally - *people's lives depend on*.

They won't back down.  They'll promise the sun, moon, stars, and however many billions are necessary to secure the vote of (insert whoever here).  They understand - and I guess some of us are just too fucking stupid to get this - that seats lost in November are a tiny price to pay for gobbling up a sixth of the whole economy *forever*.

How to stop them?  Kinda late now.    Gawrsh.  Mebbe we shoulda voted for Lincoln Chaffee back when it mattered whether we were handing *Democrats* 60 votes in the Senate - *without which would wouldn't be in this fucking fix right now*.

If we had defeated the House bill, it would be over.  If we had defeated the Senate bill, it would be over.

But we lost two huge elections.  Hey.  Radical thought.  Next time *vote for Arlen Fucking Specter* if the alternative means losing a filibuster-proof majority to Democrats.

128 Oh, my false sense of superiority is really making me hot and tingly!

I'll offset my orgasm noises with asterisks!

*eeeee!*

*eeeee!*

*eeyahhhhDADDYOHHHHHH!*

129 Re: sanssoucy
"Kids, I'd love to believe that A Magic Coalition of Mythical 'Moderate Democrats' are going to rise from Granny Botox's Kingdom and killing off this abortion of a bill, but you're whistling past the graveyard if you're pinning your hopes on *Democrats* putting the best interests of the country before their own sick, pathetic ideology."

Nobody is betting that the Dems are going to vote no out of a sense of honor.  They will do it out of a sense of self preservation.  Yes, The One will empty the Treasury.  Yes, he will burn this country down if he has to.   He will promise anything to get this through.
But, remember November is coming and not every Dem is a dedicated ideologue like The One.  Hell, I'm not that sure about Pelosi is, she's totally safe no matter what happens.

I'd like to point out that there are a lot people on this site who doing more than whining about the situation.  They're actively calling their representatives and demonstrating.  I'm sure that keeping their morale up ain't the easiest thing in the world.  I'm sure that your heart is in the right place, but you're not helping.

You may be right.  It may be a done deal.  If that is the case, there will be time enough to cry about it latter.

Please cut out the eeyorism.

130 Leave it some douchebag with a French name like sanssoucy to wet himself and hoist the white flag. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of silly persons!

131 You know, it's starting to dawn on me that the collapse of America was inevitable and so therefore we should never have declared independence in the first place. I shall now travel back in time to 1776, jab a finger into the chests of every one of those suckers in knee breeches and tell them that this Thomas Jefferson dude who wrote all those fancy words is going to end up forming the *Democrats*, and that if they're expecting *Democrats* to save their bacon from the Redcoats then they're waaaaaaay too fucking stupid to have their own country.

_{(Marty, load up the fusion chamber. What's that? You can't do it because your trash was just picked up and the garbage-haulers union is run by Democrats?! Look, kid, I guess we're just gonna stay right here then because if you're expecting *Democrats* to leave your garbage alone then you're waaaaaaaay too fucking stupid to....)}

132 san soucy.... i really don't understand your motivation behind your postings...  it's like pre-emptive gloating, except the result is nothing to gloat about.  you'd be like that character in schindler's list yelling, "why are my fellow jews resisting?  don't you guys get it?  those are ovens!  and hitler, hello?  he's a total dick towards us.  don't bet the farm on not getting cooked up!"  full disclosure: i never saw schindler's list and just made up that scene. 

anyway, san soucy, i have an profitable proposal for you: since you are certain that this bill will pass, you should have no problem accepting a wager at 20:1 odds (since you estimate probability of passage at 100%).  I will put $1000 into an escrow account and you can put $20,000.  If it passes, you get $1000, plus I will pay 10 times the interest that the equivalent treasury bill would've yielded on the 20k.  If the bill fails to pass, i get the 20k and won't hit you up for the interest foregone on my 1k.

easiest thousand bucks you'll ever make.  plus you can impress ladies with how smart you are and how you schooled some chump out of a thousand bucks due to his political ignorance.  and how he now has no farm (my farm is very small) but that's okay because he's too stupid anyway

133 Next time *vote for Arlen Fucking Specter* if the alternative means losing a filibuster-proof majority to Democrats.

I really wouldn't bring up Arlen Specter as an example.  We did vote for him, if you remember.

134 But we lost two huge elections.

Posted by: sanssoucy at March 15, 2010 09:19 PM (Iq+yI)

BFD. They lost elections between 1994 and 2004. Plus, they suck really hard. They're due for another whipping.

135 hey soucy, i'm completely serious about my proposal.  please let me know if you're interested.  I can go as low as $200 and as high as 5k probably (i would probably pool w/ some poker buddies).  i can set up all the logistics if you'd like.  i live in los angeles (marina del rey), so if you do as well, we can meet up to work out details.  if not, we can just set it up via emails and phone calls.

i mean, i would've taken the same wager regarding whether bush's iraq war funding votes would pass the house. 

136 It's not "gloating," it's simple realism; in large part, the seeds of this entire disaster were sown when conservative voters decided to "punish" Republicans in 2006 and 2008 by either staying home or falling victim to the idiotic siren-song of that "there's not a dime's worth of difference" between the parties.

Well.  Golly.  Wouldn't it be nice to have that fat, ineffective buffoon Dennis Hastert back in charge of the House?  Gimme Duke Cunningham taking a long, warm shower with Mark Foley any day of the week - when the alternative is President Jughead Clodhopper getting control over whether (maybe literally) I live or die.

The point?  Hugh Hewitt keeps trying to make it; JUST HOLD YOUR FUCKING NOSE AND VOTE REPUBLICAN.  A primary challenge against Arlen Specter might give conservatives everywhere a stiffie, but when Asshole Specter *changes parties and hands the Democrats a filibuster-proof majority*, then you just stamped on your own Johnson.

Here's my philosophy; I don't give a flapping fuck if Olympia Snowe aborts the Baby Jesus while dancing the Hubba-Bubba naked with Hillary Clington - as long as she's got an (R) after her name and it means 47 Republicans in the Senate instead of 40, and a fighting chance of strangling Clodhopper's agenda before it gets anywhere near where it is now, then sign me up with the fucking RINOs.,

Sheesh.

137 This is their last shot to ram this through before Congresscritters go home and face their constituents. Everyone knows this bill sucks, they're dead if they vote for it, and there is only more hateful legislation to come. Right after this, they want to push through crap and tax.

If I were in the House, I would want this healthcare bill to die and save me from voting on more shitty legislation that would effectively kill my career.

The public will never like Obamacare. If they take the Slaughter route, it will ensure the Democrats go the way of the Federalists (which is who they were back in the day, foppish and arrogant monarchists.)

138 *Knocks on wood

139 And there are sixteen fifteen who voted "no" the first time who could be victims of Rahm-in-the-lockerroom-with-the-lead-pipe bullying or Cornhusker Compromise bribery because they haven't declared yet what they plan to do:

Hell, I'm surprised they ALL aren't sitting on the fence to see what kind of goodies they can wheedle out of Nanny Nancy.

3 billion earmarked for the golf course next door to the congressman's home? Done! 2 billion to the congressman's alma mater for the study of why bears shit in the woods? Done!

140 Yeah, well sanssuckee, I don't care what you call yourself, if you walk, quack and vote like a Democrat. Olympia Snowe let this beast out of committee and voted for the bribe money in the Porkulus. Don't think that escaped our notice. Arlen Specter is a dead man. Every one of these traitors regrets it when they get caught. Look at Ben Nelson. Look at Charlie Crist. I sure won't miss them.

141 I know Ben Nelson is a Democrat, but a Blue Dog is as good as a RINO.

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143 Look, here's the thing. The Democrats are on the verge of destroying our country and the thing I'm most motivated to do is gloat about it while blaming everyone else for the predicament we're in.

Why do I do this?

Because it's the internets and I have a very, very small pee pee.

144

Marion Berry - Yes on Crack and Hookers, but No to a huge reparations bill that would benefit tons of my constituents, because it also pays for abortions.

Do I have that right?  Really??

THE BITCH SET ME UP!

145 It must be easy (if a bit unsatisfying, right now...) to be the kind of unibrow trog who helped purge the Senate of those nasty RINOs.  Hope you're happy, cuz you're the reason the Republicans ended up relying on every single vote - and losing for that, with the Democrats holding 60 seats - instead of having a nice, cozy five or six seat cushion.

See, purging the RINOs gave you a mansta hardon, but it played right into Democratic hands, because if a weak Republican is only half-good enough for those who are bothering to come out and vote, why not go full-retard and elect a Democrat?

Waddle over to the mirror, Tattoo, and repeat the following:

"Asshats like me helped Al Franken get more votes than Norm Coleman.  I'm a fucking dildo, because Coleman would have been useful."

Again.  Hugh Hewitt has it right; crawl through a mile of broken glass to vote Republican ... even if the guy's name is Lincoln Chaffee. 

Parties matter.

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147 sanssuckee, I don't remember Norm Coleman voting to feed a trillion dollars to a bunch of hogs. He was a five-term incumbent who ran in Minnesota with Obama at the top of the ballot, and it still took a few trunks full of votes and months of recounts to get Franken in. Pawlenty is more to blame for that than pissed off Republicans who expect their elected representatives to remember what the letter after their name stands for.

148 soucy

so 2 diff issues here:
1) your opinion on what the correct conservative political strategy would've been to avoid this current debacle

2) your estimate on the probability of passage.

only the second offers a chance to have your beliefs tested w/ outcomes of a consequential nature.  offer's still good, btw.  personally, i really don't know how this will turn out.  but i'm near certain the probability of passage is less than 95%.  intrade is at 65, but good luck getting money out of there.

on the first point, you seem like a conservative.  you talk about hewitt, etc.  and i can understand your frustration if you believe that conservative anti-RINO sentiment is what got us in this mess.  in that case, our current mess would seem like an obvious self-inflicted wound.  and so you would say, duh, this is your own fault dumbass.

however, that would be the liberal approach.  it's possible you're wrong; it is possible for different folks to look at the same body of evidence and arrive at different conclusions.  maybe anti-RINO sentiment was a necessary but not sufficient condition.  your tone of certainty as regards your conclusion is more fitting at the end of a mathematical proof. 

149 It must be easy (if a bit unsatisfying, right now...) to be the kind of unibrow trog who crawls out from under a rock and wags his finger at everyone after setting up strawmen attacks that largely don't apply to the people you are scolding.

150 Well I just e-mailed Allen Boyd (FL-2) congratulated him on his no vote today in the budget committee and ecouraged him to continue to hold fast when the bill hits the floor later in the week. Looks like I will be taking a little trip to his local office tomorrow for a follow-up visit.

I don't have a lot of hope because these scumbag libtards are bound and determined to take us over a cliff with their arrogance. This sinks the bar far below the "normal" skulduggery that goes on in DC. I for one am looking forward to the reckoning that will come if they are successful in their defiance of the will of the people.

151 If you trogs hadn't been so worried about RINOs, then none of this would have happened.

Sen. Olympia Snow, the sole Republican to vote in favor of a health care reform bill that passed the Senate Finance Committee today told ABC News she chose to break with party lines because, "I do happen to believe that we have to move the process forward, on this very difficult and challenging issue."

Early on, say those who are familiar with talks, Snowe was the lone voice in Baucus' bipartisan "Gang of Six" negotiating group complaining that the federal subsidies his bill would provide to help individuals buy insurance were far too skimpy.

152 148 Again.  Hugh Hewitt has it right; crawl through a mile of broken glass to vote Republican ... even if the guy's name is Lincoln Chaffee. 

Parties matter.

Posted by: sanssoucy at March 15, 2010 10:00 PM (Iq+yI) 

Lincoln Fucking Chafee. There goes all your credibility.

Chafee did not even vote for the Presidential nominee of the Republican Party in 2004, but he sure as hell supported Barack Obama in 2008 while publicly trashing Sarah Palin. After losing re-election in '06, he was out of the GOP so fast that the impression of his Senate seat was still on his ass. It was widely believed before the '06 midterms that if the Senate came down to a 50-50 split -- which it would have had Chafee won -- he'd have pulled a Jumpin' Jim Jeffords even before Congress convened.

Parties matter? Tell this fucker that.

153 My point is that the current situation is probably already lost, and my theory is simple:

It's beyond politics now, folks.

The Democrats see a heaven-sent opportunity to gobble up a part of the economy that can literally rule over the lives of voters.  Let me put that another way; the Democrats know - in their little rat-brains - that government control of people's healthcare is the most profound control of people's *lives* imaginable.

"Politics" is the art of "do as the voters wish, else they'll vote you out of office."

This thingie here is a matter of, "If you'd like your child to get that lifesaving operation next year, please continue to support the good efforts of The Community Organization For Child Welfare Panel.  You *do* support them, right?"

Are you getting the message?

So they'll pull out all the stops.  Absolute thermonuclear pressure will accompany this push ... because they're this (fingers 2mm apart) close.    They don't mind being voted out of office, because they're going to end up in charge of your lives.

That's better than being in Congress.

154 Well? ARE you getting the message?

Because I'm pretty certain none of you has thought any of this through.

Only I have.  I'm certain of it.

155 What all of you  need is a douchey internet windbag to pretend you don't understand what you understand perfectly well.

156 Sweetums, I don't care if Lincoln Chaffee shoved his nose up Carville's ass and raced him around the Reflecting Pool.

The point is that when you're party has devolved to the point where you've only got 40 votes, the only thing standing between you and this Chicago Hillbilly's versions of America is the least tightly-wrapped guy with an (R) after his name.

Yeah.  Whew.  Specter would make 42 Repubs.  And Chaffee 43.  And poor ol' brain-damaged Jim Jeffords?  44.

If we'd had even *one* more Republican willing to come along in December.  Even *one*, ObamaCare would already be history.

Clue:  Easier to get *one* when you've got four or five to spare.

157

Yeah, "Gerry" [mis]represents my district.  (But hopefully not for much longer)  My email to him:

Congressman Connolly, I see from news reports that you are listed as currently "leaning Yes" on the next Healthcare vote. I wish I knew what I could say to help sway you to a firm No vote on this bill. There is no end to the problems with this bill, and no amount of 'fixes' will make this an acceptable piece of legislation. Every step of the process which produced this abomination has itself been deceptive, corrupting, and outright dishonest. Please vote NO on the Healthcare Reform Bill. There are many pressing needs on health-care issues, but this bill is NOT the way things should be handled. Right now, the single greatest thing that could be done for the nation on the health-care front would be give businesses the confidence in the future to start rehiring the millions who've become unemployed. That alone would would grant most of them health-care coverage while increasing the revenue to the Social Security and Medicare trusts. Sincerely, Mike Wxxxxxx

158 That's better than being in Congress.

Except if that were the case, Tokyo Rose, the bill would have passed long ago and we'd be talking about crap and tax now. That puts you back at Square One.

159 soucy,

your theory is based on analysis at the wrong level.  there is no "they" as it refers to democrats now.  it is now down to individual congress critters for whom their partisan allegiance is only one factor in the decision making process.  on smaller matters (which, at this point, looks like every single piece of legislation ever produced), you would be correct to analyze at the level of party because party affiliation would be the primary factor for every decision maker.

160 159 -- sansoucy, what part of "those three guys you mentioned all defected from the Republican Party even after the party structure bent over backwards to re-elect and accomodate them" is not registering with you?

161 Sanssuckee pretends Massachusetts, New Jersey and Virginia never happened. "You've gotta take the Democrat Republican Democrats like Arlen Specter you get." Never mind primaries. Just keep 'em forever. Because that's why we have elections.

162 158

LOL! Can we keep this one just to sockpuppet him?

163 CX:  I hope you're right.  But ultimately I think you're back to my original objection:

"If you're relying on *Democrats* to save the situation, you're crazy."

And - unfortunately - that's what we're reduced to, and I'm not sure there exists this mythical creature often called "The Moderate Democrat."  I think these scumbags can be relied on to pull a little Wormtongue action to "moderate principles," but too often the moment Granny Botox bobs her misshapen skull in their direction, they simply line up and vote like Patsy Leahy.

I hope I'm wrong.  But I don't think so.  I think that  between now and the weekend, the Democratic leadership is going to turn all the dials to eleven.

And we're gonna rely on an "pro-life Democrat" to save our bacon?

I call bullshit.  There's no such critter when the chips are down.,

164 If these pro-life Democrats were so unprincipled, suckass, Pelosi would be calling a vote. Apparently, they want to keep their jobs. And we wouldn't even be having this discussion, if it weren't for fucktrons like Cao, Snowe and Spector. So, go kill yourself.

165 @ Son of Liberty #153

Thank you, and God bless you!

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