1 Better and better.

2 I think Pelosi will wind up not using the Demon Pass maneuver at all.

How else would they get it done, then?  I'm not trying to be critical here; I'm honestly curious.  Isn't the Sunday "preliminary vote" (still not a done deal) a vote on Demonpass? 

3 God damnit, will you guys stop dicking around and pass SOMETHING?  ANYTHING?   Bueller?

4

Whoa - did anyone else see Tom Coburn threatening House Democrats?  Apparently, they are going to look at anyone who switches their votes from "No" to "Yes" to make sure that they didn't get an appointment or appropriation in exchange for their vote!

This could get interesting...

5 The Coburn thing was just on FOX News - he had several Democratic Senators standing behind him as well.

6 Haven't seen a big news conference with that on it.  Wonder why?

7

I'm assuming we'll be notified when it's time to start sucking each others dicks, right?

8 #2 I feel your confusion.  The House (and to a lesser extent the Senate) now resemble some kind of sick Ferengi legislature from a never-shot Star Trek episode.  I haven't a clue as to what the next debacle will be...

9 you can buy cheap on Intrade if you think it is not going to pass. Teresa they can look as close as they want, it will not make a dime's worth of difference in a year. Many Dem Reps know that they will not be reelected no matter how they vote on this bill or on any other. And yes some will be getting Federal employment after next Nov this has always been a perq for any loyal party member from the Executive Branch

10 O/T:  We could all use a lift.   But ol Warren is sort of an example of "getting er done"......   " Lizard Ballad: All For You"
And if these are all GEICO employees, wow Americans are really multi talented....

11 Mallamutt,

do they have the votes for that?  If they can't even get the votes on this Demonpass business -- which, as I understand it, is primarily a kabuki maneuver so that they can be against it before being for it -- how could they get an up or down vote through?

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding here -- at this point I don't even know what the f*** they're actually voting on.  On the upside, however, that makes me no dumber than a Democrat congressman.

12 Posted by: ParisParamus at March 18, 2010 01:55 PM (HKQXR)

He was on your list wasn't he....?
If you hadn't posted your list I would not have made sooooo many phone calls and had the girls on the shopping chat making them too...

so thanks...

13 How else would they get it done, then?

I don't see how.  Demon pass was supposed to get the ultralibs on board.  They cannot trust the Senate.  (And, come on, the Senate will not pass $1 of the House's goodies.)  So it's either pass the Senate bill or nothing.  They don't have the votes for "pass the Senate bill and like it".

14 Its a football game: US People v. House + MSM.  They're on our five yard line.  It's the 4th Quarter, but I'm not sure if minutes or seconds remain...

15

Now some House member just reamed Nancy Pelosi a new one on FOX, also surrounded by some other House members.  Basically asking her who she thinks she is -

Time to break out the popcorn....

16 Lynch was a solid 'yes', which is why he was not on anyone's radar.

17 17

Now some House member just reamed Nancy Pelosi a new one on FOX, also surrounded by some other House members.  Basically asking her who she thinks she is -

Time to break out the popcorn....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 18, 2010 01:57 PM (PTUpr)

Who was it?

18 Yo Bamster will you Cum longer in my mouth next time.. Sure Gibbsy what ever you want !!!!

19 And yes some will be getting Federal employment after next Nov this has always been a perq for any loyal party member from the Executive Branch

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 18, 2010 01:55 PM (mhD2v)

Yeah, you'll get to be a shock absorber for my bus.  Once you are not in office, you are dead to me.

20 Obama has post-poned his trip until June - Oh fucking Joy! weeks more of Obama's obnoxious healthcare harrassment, just what we all need.

21 >>>>How else would they get it done, then? I'm not trying to be critical here; I'm honestly curious. Isn't the Sunday "preliminary vote" (still not a done deal) a vote on Demonpass? Take an actual vote on the Senate bill, and pass the reconciliation bill as a second standalone bill.

22 in 2010 A Dino will have about as much chance to be elected as a Rino

23 I asked this question on another thread.   As I see it.  There is the House version of the "health care bill".  Then there is the Senate version of the "health care bill" and then there is the bill that the president recently put out.  When he was talking to Brett last night he kept saying "my bill".  So how can they be voting on "his bill" if they are supposed to be voting on the Senate's version of the bill?  Wheich would mean that their version, the House version is meaningless and is the president's newly released health care bill?   so the interview last night was about the president's bill as though the house were voting on it but they can't be because it is the bill the Senate passed, without changing a single word" that they are supposed to vote on.  I swear, I'm not crazy.

24

If I'm understanding this correctly, a vote for "Deem and Pass" essentially is a vote for two separate bills at the same time.  A "Yes" vote means that the Senate bill is passed at the same time that the reconciliation bill is passed.  What the House members don't seem to understand - because Ms. Pelosi isn't telling them - is that NOTHING in the reconciliation is going to get past the Senate.

Essentially, if the "Deem and Pass" passes, it will have the same effect as just voting for the Senate bill, then hoping that a reconciliation bill will go through all of the procedural hoops.  It's basically no different from where they were a couple of weeks ago, with the exception of the Senate bill not being voted on DIRECTLY.

Regardless, if the "Deem and Pass" gets through, the Senate bill will become law.  That's it - game over.

The Representatives need to understand what they are doing, and I don't think that they REALLY know what is going on right now.  This information NEEDS to be given to them ASAP.  They need to understand that a vote for "Deem and Pass" is a vote to pass the Senate bill, and they WILL be held accountable for that vote.  

25

Posted by: curious at March 18, 2010 02:02 PM (p302b)

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.

26 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 18, 2010 02:05 PM (PTUpr)

The way you write it Theresa....The Senate gets everything they want, the house gets nothing they want except, in perpetuity, they get all the blame.   No wonder the Senators are quietly laying low.

27 Thanks for the clarifications, all.  I guess my understanding was compromised by a) the fact that none of these bills, except the Senate one, actually exists yet, and b) the idea that some Dims seem to think that all their sweetheart deals in the House will be sustained by the Senate. 

Well, that and the fact that this is only "constitutional" by the most warped and casuistic definition, and that this is breathtaking effrontery even by Democrat standards. 

28 #14 My pleasure.  Have any of the NY-ers decided in a good way?

29

Who was it?

Posted by: enoxo at March 18, 2010 01:58 PM (u43Tp)

Paul Broun (R-Ga) - I think he's a doctor (?)

30 Damn, that's good news. Suck on that erg.

31 This certainly has been a learning experience. My copy of Congress for Dummies (I really did read it a few years ago) is collecting dust in storage, so refresh my memory: Why do both houses of Congress even write separate bills on the same issue at the same time? I'm sure there's a good reason, but this has been a disaster for the Dems.

32

 Why do both houses of Congress even write separate bills on the same issue at the same time? I'm sure there's a good reason, but this has been a disaster for the Dems.

 

 

Because house members run for re-election every 2 years, and senators every 6--heh!

33 That's the other thing, 34 -- the horrible, horrible precedent this would create.  At that point, any party with a majority could slam through whatever they wanted... and given the way all these bribes and whatnot have been tacked on willy-nilly at some point in the "process," I could easily see a time when a bill to nuke Canada could get attached to the "Puppies Are Cute Act of 2014"..

34

Please get the distinguished Gentleman from Mass a LARGE CAUCUS of those who are fiscally opposed to OBAMACARE.

We need a "Lynch MOB"

We already have the chant: "KILL THE BILL"

 

35 36 That's the other thing, 34 -- the horrible, horrible precedent this would create.  At that point, any party with a majority could slam through whatever they wanted... and given the way all these bribes and whatnot have been tacked on willy-nilly at some point in the "process," I could easily see a time when a bill to nuke Canada could get attached to the "Puppies Are Cute Act of 2014"..

 

 

True dat!  Precedent would provide Dems cover for all kinds of malfeasance in regards to immigration, cap and trade and card check.  If we can't stop this, we are screwed in every orifice, in so many ways.

36 The way you write it Theresa....The Senate gets everything they want, the house gets nothing they want except, in perpetuity, they get all the blame.   No wonder the Senators are quietly laying low.

Posted by: curious at March 18, 2010 02:08 PM (p302b)

My understanding is that the Senate has relayed this information to the House leadership several times, but the House leadership (Pelosi and Hoyer) aren't telling the members that.  (Per Dan Perrin over at RedState, who was up on Capitol Hill yesterday) 

37

The Representatives need to understand what they are doing, and I don't think that they REALLY know what is going on right now.  This information NEEDS to be given to them ASAP.  They need to understand that a vote for "Deem and Pass" is a vote to pass the Senate bill, and they WILL be held accountable for that vote.  

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 18, 2010 02:05 PM (PTUpr)

thank you for that post, i also had not understood the differences

38 RunningRN,

or provide Republicans cover.  It (probably) won't be as across-the-board bad as anything the Dems do, but either way the pattern is set.  Why bother to even have a bicameral legislature or checks and balances or what have you if you can just jiggle the rules enough to get anything through?

Again, I sure hope the public gets a nice, long look at the left with their nice, moderate, bipartisan mask off.  This is some shameful shit...

39 My understanding is that the Senate has relayed this information to the House leadership several times, but the House leadership (Pelosi and Hoyer) aren't telling the members that.

It sure would be fun if something were to leak.

40

The Representatives need to understand what they are doing, and I don't think that they REALLY know what is going on right now.  This information NEEDS to be given to them ASAP.  They need to understand that a vote for "Deem and Pass" is a vote to pass the Senate bill, and they WILL be held accountable for that vote.  

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 18, 2010 02:05 PM (PTUpr)

Indeed.  The "deem and pass" vote arms the detonator on the Senate bill, and the House Dems have to have complete faith that President Obama won't push the trigger button if the Senate doesn't pass the companion reconciliation bill.  How many House Dems with actual and substantive objections to the Senate bill can say that they really, truly trust Obama not to sign the Senate bill as is if the reconciliation deal doesn't pass the Senate?

41 Confirmed on Michael Graham's show this afternoon. You can probably thank Scott Brown for that (Scott took between 58-60 percent in MA-9). Sadly, it probably means that Granny McBotox doesn't need Lynchie's vote.

42 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 18, 2010 02:17 PM (PTUpr)

This is slightly off topic but speaks to all the secrecy going on in this administration.  Have a friend doing a doctoral thesis which she eventually wants to turn into a book.  She has always put in Freedom of Information Act requests and gotten the information she needed rather expediently as she puts it "considering all the bureaucracy in Washington"   In the last six months she has put in several requests for benign information and she is so pissed, they haven't even acknowledged getting the requests.  She jokingly sent an email saying "I'm glad I asked for anything even remotely controversial during the Bush administration....I'm feeling like this administration doesn't want to give me anything".   What the heck is going on really?

43

Again, I sure hope the public gets a nice, long look at the left with their nice, moderate, bipartisan mask off.  This is some shameful shit...

 

Yeah, I was talking about immediate, short term consequences.  You know this crap is bad when even Chris Matthews opposes deem and pass.

 

44 I sure hope the public gets a nice, long look at the left with their nice, moderate, bipartisan mask off.

It's the silver lining of this awful awful administration and Congress. Maybe people will believe us now.

45 Why do both houses of Congress even write separate bills on the same issue at the same time? I'm sure there's a good reason, but this has been a disaster for the Dems.

Because the Founders set it up that way (1) to create law that was both responsive to the people (House) but wasn't prisoner of the whims of the people (Senate). 

46 Has he not been in the whip counts as a No vote?

Lynch said long ago on WRKO radio that he was against reconciliation, against the Senate bill, and against taxing union healthcare (which is what these Cadillac taxes do.)  

Lynch was already screwed over by the union leaders, despite himself having once been a good union boss, when they wouldn't throw any support his way to run for Senate.

Lynch and Scott Brown are too different.  For MA they are both pretty good.

Thank you Steve Lynch!