1 Is anyone surprised by this?

2 The CYA flips are beginning. I'm sure you'll see a lot more.

3 The Dims are falling apart

4 BOOMER!

5

OT, but good

Found an interesting bill in VA Assembly: House Bill # 18

CHAPTER 2.4.

VIRGINIA GOODS AND SERVICES RETAINED IN-STATE.

§ 59.1-21.29. Certain Virginia goods and services not subject to commerce clause.

All goods, as defined in § 59.1-198, manufactured or made in Virginia and all services, as defined in § 59.1-198, performed in Virginia, when such goods or services are held, maintained, or retained in Virginia, shall not be subject to the authority of the Congress of the United States under its constitutional power to regulate commerce. [ Provided that this section shall not relate to (i) any goods or services ordered, procured, or purchased by the United States Government or (ii) ordered, procured, or purchased by any contractor pursuant to any agreement with the United States Government. ]

I found this over at the VA 10th Amendment Center

According to the status of the bill, it passed the House, and is in a Senate Committee (chaired by a D). So it may or may not have any further legs

6 The Democrat Party is all about strange bedfellows IYKWIMAITTYD.  NTTAWWT.

7
Break out the arm-twisting and bribes (D).

8 Break out the arm-twisting and bribes

With Nan's Speaker seat now in Jeopardy over the Massa thing, I'm not sure anyone's going to trust that she can deliver on her promises.

9

Don't worry, all this Guiterrez fellow needs is another Obama lecture and he'll turn right back to a "yes".

/Dare I hope for this being the beginning of the end for this round?

10

Last night I heard Senator Inhofe on Jerry Doyle. Inhofe said he doesn't even think they have the votes in the Senate for the bill.

 

11
They're clawing and climbing over eachother trying to get off this sinking disaster.

Meanwhile Wee Wee continues to rearrange the deck chairs and give speeches.

12 Sounds like the "caucus" wants an appeasement section in the "companion bill". I think we should start calling it "slowmentum", or "throwmentum" (as in bone).

13

/Dare I hope for this being the beginning of the end for this round?

These idiots are going to keep this shit going right up to the elections.

14 But don't worry. Obama will stick around to nag us some more.

15 Here comes the symbolic no vote grand standing. The death throws of a bill. When those whom would otherwise be supporters realize that

A. The bill has little or no chance.
B. They benefit politically from aiding in it's demise.

Grandstanding, and kicking the bill while it's on the ground shall ensue.

16 Squeak squeak squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaak!

17 Guiterrez? I'd massage it.

18

#13  These idiots are going to keep this shit going right up to the elections.

In that case, maybe I'd better take up drinking.  Can I play GoW3 while drunk?

19 These idiots are going to keep this shit going right up to the elections.

You think so?
If they do, it will be a whole different kind of dumb. So big as to not measurable on the current scales.

20

Strange Bedfellows Snorklefellows Edition

 

FIFY

21

Strange Bedfellows Snorklefellows Edition

Stop meat-gazing!!!!

22 The singularity approacheth.

23 If they do, it will be a whole different kind of dumb. So big as to not measurable on the current scales.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 12, 2010 11:43 AM (0q2P7)

I think a lot of them have left that milepost in the dust

24

Slaughterhouses stink.  Here's Mark Levin calling for the expulsion of  Ms. Deem herself.  Hope it shocks the shiite out of the rest of them.  (From Gateway Pundit)

http://tinyurl.com/yktjb3x

 

 

25

I think the Founders were geniuses. Giving people that kind of liberty ensured that there would be so much controversy over important issues that sometimes nothing would get done, which in the long run is better for the cause of said liberty.

We have a Republican party that shoots itself in the foot when it gets a majority, and a Democrat party that shoots itself in the foot when it gets a majority.

Winners: The American people.

26
Guttierrez couldn't sell tamales on the side of I-35 if the Troopers pulled over every drug-running mexican for him.

27

I have been saying all along that i think this would pass, i am even more certain now. I haven't seen, in my short life, a president, congress and party commit so much political capital to something that wasn't a war effort.

Look at Bush, when he saw that he couldn't reform Social Security, he gave up. When he saw he couldn't get Comprehensive Immigrations reform through, he gave up. 

Honestly when was the last time you saw a party, president and congress invest so much effort, energy, and credibility and fail?

They've invested to much to let this one go down. This will be passed by hook or by crook.

I am taking bets.

28

22 The singularity approacheth.

And so is chaos.

29 Of course he will vote yes. He is just trying to firm up Obama's amnesty plan. He is from a safe district and could care less about America. His goal is to permanently marginalize white males because he believe, with cause, that racial and gender separateness will create a Democratic majority forever. The goal is to redistribute wealth and create a Northern Latin country. It is openly discussed with approval on every college campus.

30 Do I see a trend here?

Seems like House Democrats actually want to get re-elected, and are looking for any excuse in a storm to vote NO on this.

Overall, I approve.

Keep thinking up excuses House Democrats!!!

31 27

I have been saying all along that i think this would pass, i am even more certain now. I haven't seen, in my short life, a president, congress and party commit so much political capital to something that wasn't a war effort.

Look at Bush, when he saw that he couldn't reform Social Security, he gave up. When he saw he couldn't get Comprehensive Immigrations reform through, he gave up. 

Honestly when was the last time you saw a party, president and congress invest so much effort, energy, and credibility and fail?

They've invested to much to let this one go down. This will be passed by hook or by crook.

I am taking bets.

I agree, the shitheads are gonna find a way.

32 I'll take whatever No votes I can get, too, but we all know this isn't No. At vote time, it's I keed, I keed.

33 Perhaps if Mr. Gutierrez and members of the Hispanic Caucus want to retain any credibility they should explain why we should not follow the 'enlightened', 'progressive' and 'socialist' model for the treatment of immigrants contained in the Mexican Constitution. Not only would illegals be barred from receiving health care benefits under its provisions, but naturalized Mexicans, and permanent resident Mexicans are banned from all elective offices, from all judgeships, and from all public policy positions, in addition to being barred from owning any real property in Mexico.
If he and his Hispanic Caucus feel that the Southwest is part of Mexican Aztlan, they why should we not administer it in accordance with the rules laid down in Mexico ninety years ago?

34 From Roll Call:

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) used a Thursday meeting with President Barack Obama on immigration reform to warn him that the issue “could come to a halt for the year” if Democrats use reconciliation to pass health care reform.

 

Graham, along with Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), met with Obama to update him on their efforts to advance immigration reform legislation. During the meeting, Graham said he made it clear to the president that the already difficult task of passing immigration reform becomes even harder when reconciliation is in play.

 

http://tinyurl.com/y9ka64y

35

One of our esteemed Moronettes posted this on last night's ONT.  Make it viral!

http://tinyurl.com/yckyc5w

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at March 11, 2010 10:52 PM (PTUpr)

36 24 Mmm, mmm, mmm. Love me some Levin talking the Contsitution.

37 It's time for this instead of recovery.gov

38

Graham, along with Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), met with Obama to update him on their efforts to advance immigration reform legislation.

Where Graham goeth, so goeth McCain.

39 MEXICANS!!!

40 38 It's time for this instead of recovery.gov

Excellent....

41 I do love seeing identity politics biting the Dems in the ass.

42

Posted by: George Orwell at March 12, 2010 11:53 AM (AZGON)

Thank ye.  That went into the permanent collection.

43 No one is buying this are they? Fence sitters get offered pork. People who are in Nancy's pocket get nothing. He is going for more pie.

44

You know something, a little birdie told me that Eric Massa never heard of a strange bedfellow. He wants to be bedfellows with all the fellows. You follow?

45 Is "Fart-Tubing" Legal in Vermont yet??

46 In many ways 'twill be Blair's Law that saves us if we get through this. The Hispanic lobby, hard left, porkmeisters etc. genuinely don't feel that this is a good bill (bills?). They want the wins that motivate their respective bases. However, if enacted they don't want to be left out and want their pet cause recognized. And if it's not enacted they go on record as fighting for their pet cause.

The incentive structure just isn't there but for about 20% of Americans. Which, interestingly, is right about where it's headed in polling. Success breed success, failure breeds failure, and the more this thing looks like a loser the more squishy/halfway reasonable people will turn.

They might get it through procedurally, eventually. But by that point ObamaCare will be radioactive and Obama will be too. He still wins though.

47
Fence sitters get offered pork.

Or they get destroyed by the Little Naked Ballerina.

48 "They're clawing and climbing over eachother trying to get off this sinking disaster."

I agree.  And if they can save face as well, that much the better.  We should be looking for more excuses to make it easier for them.

49

The kabuki-fu is so thick it's getting impossible to see through the greasepaint.  Guittierz is from a gerrymandered safe hispanic seat in Chicago.  He's friends with Prez Zero going way back, there are various Rezko and other connections, all the Chgo dems are corrupt and connected to each other.

There has to be some reason why suddenly all these yes votes are flipping to no.  What that is, I can't tell.  The current Senate bill has to be passed as it currently stands, and signed into law, before any "changes" could be made to it, and if the dems in the house think the dems in the senate will change their bill once it's law, then the dems in the house are truly the dumbest people in DC.  And that's dumb.

50 #38  Nice!

51 Including illegals is an open invitation to massive insurance fraud.

If I were a doctor of lesser ethical inclination, I'd simply fabricate dozens of phony illegals, making sure they all had a "medical history" with LOTS of preexisting ailments needing expensive weekly/monthly "treatment", then start whacking the insurance companies like crazy.

Whatever you'd have to front in premiums could easily be gotten back within a month.

Since the patient after all is illegal, addresses can be phony (or done in collusion with a flop house somewhere). 

You could even make a lot of money fronting the premiums for actual illegals in case a situation arose where some agency demanded presentation of a physical body for some sort of verification.

The CHC are fools if they think real illegals will sign up for something that's going to cost them money when they can get health care for free today.  That will NEVER HAPPEN.  These people avoid paperwork and anything that smacks of "official" like the plague.  They don't use banks, everything is cash or convenience store money orders.  They don't have phones; they use prepaid phone cards or throwaway TracPhones.

I would bet money that well over 80% of any "illegals" signed up by insurance companies would be completely fake.

52 Boots, you are on to something there.

53 Wetback welfare is always a winner. Stick it in there Amigo.

54 Including illegals is an open invitation to massive insurance fraud. You say that as if the administration would consider it a problem.

55

53 Including illegals is an open invitation to massive insurance fraud.

Yes, but if it's a given that the Healthscam bill is just another step on the road for the destruction of all private health insurance companies, wouldn't that be a feature and not a bug?

56

I'd like to see this debate continue until the election.

The more time Dear Leader and Nancy contribute to this fiasco, the less time they have available to fuck everything else up.

57

Wash Po has a long article on why the democrats are innocent of not having investigated Massa enough. Massa's chief of staff  was concerned when Massa moved all those boys in with him and when he asked out a junior staffer on Bwarney Frank's staff out to dinner.

So Massa became a congressman so he could diddle and boff in DC? At least he had a plan.....

58 "Guttierrez couldn't sell water or fake IDs to illegals heading to the USA, at a Mexican govt desert aid station.."

59

The more time Dear Leader and Nancy contribute to this fiasco, the less time they have available to fuck everything else up.

Including the impending ME war.  At least in the end, there will be only chaos.

60 Did Louis make this decision before or after Barry said he was staying a few extra days to make more speeches?

61 Fraud? Shit, the Administration's business IS fraud.

62

Tommy Chong 2012

 

63 Just heard the opening to Rush. It sounds like the AoSHQ show.

64 I mean he went down the headlines, almost in exact order.

65 Attention: This is the final boarding call!

66 The El Guapo Stoppo!

67

Wash Po has a long article on why the democrats are innocent of not having investigated Massa enough. Massa's chief of staff  was concerned when Massa moved all those boys in with him and when he asked out a junior staffer on Bwarney Frank's staff out to dinner.

So Massa became a congressman so he could diddle and boff in DC? At least he had a plan.....

But what does Massa's thesis from 30 years ago say?

68

66 I mean he went down the headlines, almost in exact order.

lol, now here I thought you mean that Rush was now talking about shoes, red waterfalls, soul-stealing, bukkake (sp?), and a host of other decadent topics.

69

CHONG/CHARO 2012

70 Limbaugh "borrows" a lot from blogs without attribution.

71

The El Guapo Stoppo!

a plethora of pistolas?

72 I wonder if this guy's legal constituents (if there are any) are willing to give up their "free" health care just to stand in solidarity with the illegals.

73 Obama will just tell him he will get illegals drivers licenses - it worked to get him elected - they will fall for it again. I don't trust one single democrat when they say they will vote no. I will believe them only after the actual vote.

74

CHONG/CHARO 2012

 

Charo is from spain, not mexico.

75

Just a little background here from the Chicago Sun-Times:

 

Rep. Gutierrez bought a town house from Antoin 'Tony' Rezko's firm and paid far less than his neighbors did, but the congressman says he got no special treatment...

Gutierrez paid $434,900 three years ago for the town house along the Chicago River just north of Diversey. That's far less than his neighbors paid for any of the other riverfront town houses in the development, records show.

Gutierrez no longer lives there. In March, he sold the town house for $610,000 -- a 40 percent profit....

Gutierrez said he's been friends for 20 years with Rezko, whose family has donated more than $19,000 to the congressman's campaign funds over the years.

 

Let's see if I can get tiny url to work:

http://tinyurl.com/yh2kn3h

76

Charo is from spain, not mexico.

I kinda hope you had to wiki that

77 Maria Conchita Alonzo is a heretic and a race-trader.

78
Charo was the shiznit 30 years ago. 

79 27, Ben
32, Beerologist

I agree, at the end of the day this will pass. Repealing this over the Presidents veto will take 67 votes in the Senate, it will never happen. The left, with one bill, turns us into a Eurosocialist nation, which has been their wet dream since Wilson. They will win back the majority over the next decade by saying all the problems with health care are because the government doesn't spend enough on it.  Unlike the hapless fools in the GOP, the left can think long term. 

80 76

CHONG/CHARO 2012

 

Charo is from spain, not mexico.

Posted by: Ben at March 12, 2010 12:13 PM (wuv1c)

C/man pato' your harshin my buzz! 

81 Pelosi: 'We Will Pass the Senate Bill'

It just won't fucking die.

82 I am really nervous about the GOP. Do they have the nerve to fight this or are they just excited they get to be in charge again? I like Paul Ryan because he seems to get it. The party leaders are only worried about the acquisition of power. They will be happy to fail at overturning it. They will say we tried but the President kept vetoing it. Then they will say you need to vote for more republicans so we can really overturn this.........gag. It must be killed now. We need leadership that is more worried about the country than the self perpetuation of their party.

83 what would it take to force out Pelosi as speaker? is there a Schumer-like hyper-ambitious rat bastard next in line for the slot? Pelosi is a commie zealot, so the voters of SF will never vote her out, and she will try to ram through health care if it kills us all, but a more weasely slick willie-ish politician might give it up just for their own self preservation.

84 Anyone noticed that there is really no American in any Hispanic/American or African/American?

85 She's simply signaling that her vote will come at a price.  She can see that The One totally desperate to get this bill passed and will pay any price to anybody to get it through.  Right now that price is being negotiated.
And she will get it.
But no matter what happens, she's voting yes.

86

Bullshit.  They'll give Gutierrez a burro and a new

serape and he'll be right back in the fold.

87

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88 If that's the way Gutierrez makes decisions as a politician who has sworn to defend and uphold the constitution of the United States--by insisting his extended "family" get services even if they are criminals--he needs to be impeached and tossed out.  It's getting pretty clear any politician that belongs to a group called anything like the "National Caucus of [insert racial group here] should instantly be voted out of power and never let back in again.

89 Im thinking it has something to do with the fact that his name came up in a local corruption trial. Maybe he wants a pardon in return for the yes vote.