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April 10, 2014

Nuts & Bolts: Contempt of Congress (repeat)
— Gabriel Malor

It occurred to me while we were doing the podcast this week that we could all use a refresher on how one goes about holding an executive branch official in contempt of Congress. As you may recall, House Oversight will vote on a contempt citation for Lois Lerner next week and Speaker Boehner has said that the full House will vote on it thereafter.

I wrote this explainer on contempt of Congress way, way back in 2008 during the end of the U.S. attorneys firing scandal. The issue then, like now, was getting information out of reluctant executive branch officials. Lois Lerner is on the second track I describe below. AG Holder is on the fourth track.

If Congress wants to hold someone in contempt for failure to comply with a subpoena, they can do several things:
(1) Hold congressional contempt proceedings. These are quasi-judicial proceedings, rooted in the constitutional investigatory and legislative power of Congress, in which the members of Congress themselves act as judges, juries, and prosecutors. It is very important to note that this is not a judicial process. The chamber of Congress in question has the power to direct the Sergeant at Arms to arrest someone, bring them before the chamber, and put them in jail, all without seeing the inside of a courtroom.
See McGrain v. Daugherty, for an example of this upheld by the Supreme Court. The Court held that such powers were Â“necessary and properÂ” for Congress to carry out its legislative function.
This is the Â“historicalÂ” method by which a chamber of Congress has enforced its subpoenas. It was employed some dozen or more times up until 1934 but it was deemed too time consuming because it required the attention of the whole chamber, sometimes for more than a week. In the 1850s an alternative procedure was hotly debated and eventually created. But this method still exists. And this is the source of what is referred to as the Â“inherent contemptÂ” proceeding.
For completnessÂ’ sake I should mention that individuals imprisoned under this procedure may petition for habeas relief from federal courts. They therefore will have some opportunity (though likely limited) to raise defenses (for example, Fifth Amendment or executive privilege) and challenge the validity of the contempt finding. On the other hand, there is general consensus that this type of imprisonment is not a criminal penalty and therefore is not subject to the presidential pardon power.
(2) Certify a contempt citation and deliver it to the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia. This is a multi-step process. First, the committee (or subcommittee) that is seeking the citation must approve it by majority vote. Then, it gets handed up to be read and voted on by the next higher authority (either the full chamber or the committee). Once the full chamber has certified the contempt citation, a report is prepared and presented to the U.S. Attorney. The U.S.A. then has a duty to present the contempt citation and report to a grand jury in order to get an indictment for contempt of Congress. See 2 U.S.C. Â§ 194.
This is the modern, statutory method that Congress has used to lay contempt charges on reluctant witnesses. This is criminal contempt. A contempt indictment then goes through the normal judicial process, meaning the subjects of the citation will have the opportunity to raise defenses or outright challenge the validity of the contempt citation. Individuals punished by criminal contempt may seek a presidential pardon.
(3) The Senate has another option. Under a newer law, deemed necessary during President NixonÂ’s battles with Congress, the Senate can seek a civil contempt order from the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. Defiance of this order would be contempt of court, rather than contempt of Congress. The district court will examine the validity of the civil contempt citation. Individuals facing a civil contempt order will have the opportunity to challenge it and raise defenses, just like in the criminal contempt proceeding. This civil contempt option is sharply limited. It may not be employed against federal employees acting in their official capacities.
(4) Finally, either chamber could file suit in civil court for declaratory and injunctive relief after it has issued a subpoena that has been ignored. This is not a contempt proceeding, but it would be one way of enforcing subpoenas if any of the contempt procedures above failed. This is the least tested option, especially when the subpoenas are directed at the Executive Branch, because it raises so many separation of powers questions. Congress would be asking the Judiciary to force action by the Executive. Courts are usually very unhappy about doing that and usually refuse to rule on such cases, citing the political question doctrine. The doctrine provides that some questions are more properly committed to a coequal branch of government, that the court has no standards with which to resolve the dispute, or that it would be imprudent to interfere. This procedure also allows the subpoenaed individuals to present defenses and challenges to the validity of the Congressional subpoena.
In short, Congress has several options for enforcing subpoenas, but in each case the subpoenaed individual will have the opportunity to raise defenses and challenge CongressÂ’ contempt order. Given recent events, of most interest for us will be claims of executive privilege.

Ace asked about it and I said on the podcast that it would be extremely unusual for the House to exercise its inherent contempt powers under the first track described above since they haven't done it since the 1930s. House Republicans say they haven't ruled it out in Lerner's case.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 03:03 PM | Comments (245)
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1 OT: ICYMI Sibelius is OUT!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:05 PM (CMkNk)

2 Not Jan Sibelius the composer. He's been out for a while now...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:06 PM (CMkNk)

3 The procedure is still not sufficiently convoluted and arcane.
More lawyers !!

Posted by: LeBron Horowitz at April 10, 2014 03:07 PM (cL+9V)

4 I hold Congress in contempt. Can I arrest them?

Posted by: Smith the Inglorious at April 10, 2014 03:08 PM (sac/h)

5 Why in hell should they rule ANYTHING out when it comes to slowing down the criminal enterprise known as the SCOAMF regime? Oh. Never mind.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:08 PM (CMkNk)

6 is this history?

History goes 'over, under, sideways, down'

seriously

Posted by: The Yardbirds ( say hi to Eric ) at April 10, 2014 03:09 PM (JyjXt)

7 Lamp post, deciduous trees & bridges if you ask me.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 03:09 PM (HVff2)

8 Sebelius being cast out is not a big deal. They will just get (and BTW, they have) another idiot stooge in her place and it will sail through Reid's Senate with ease.

Posted by: NWConservative at April 10, 2014 03:10 PM (buZ/8)

9 Wait so what got voted on today?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 10, 2014 03:10 PM (HDwDg)

10 Where's my skull? I want my flaming skull.

Posted by: Nurse Ratched at April 10, 2014 03:11 PM (o44nj)

11 Just saw over at Drudge that Hillary got a shoe thrown at her at a scrap metal convention in Vegas.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:12 PM (CMkNk)

12 Noah Rothman ‏@NoahCRothman ICYMI... Don't. "@Mediaite: Alex Wagner: The IRS 'Were the Ones That Have Been Actually Targeted' http://bit.ly/1kOAXJ9 (VIDEO)Â”

Posted by: Costanza Defense at April 10, 2014 03:12 PM (ZPrif)

13 Sebelius knows so much about the internet, she can be the new CEO at Mozilla. They deserve her.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:12 PM (CMkNk)

14 I did Katey Sebelius in college.

Sacred honor prevents me from providing the tasty, salacious details of our prolonged, multi-limbed boinking

Posted by: Will Folks ( always semi-erect ) at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (JyjXt)

15 10 Where's my skull? I want my flaming skull. Posted by: Nurse Ratched at April 10, 2014 07:11 PM What you want & what you get are different. I want TFG gone & that ain't happening

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (HVff2)

16 "Everybody" has the tweet, Sebelius resigning, nobody knows why.

Posted by: Smith the Inglorious at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (sac/h)

17 Nuts & Bolts: Contempt of Congress If it was up to me it would be nuts and pliers. Starting with Hairy Reed.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (8ZskC)

Wait so what got voted on today?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 10, 2014 07:10 PM (HDwDg)

It was a committee vote to send the (potential) referral to the US Attorney for the District of Columbia of contempt of Congress charges against Lerner to the full House.

Posted by: steveegg at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (o44nj)

19 6 Posted by: The Yardbirds ( say hi to Eric ) at April 10, 2014 07:09 PM (JyjXt) When will it endÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:13 PM (CMkNk)

20 Sebelius resigns?

Story at NYT - link was too long to pass spam filter.

Posted by: some guy at April 10, 2014 03:14 PM (EsxAc)

21 14 I did Katey Sebelius in college. Sacred honor prevents me from providing the tasty, salacious details of our prolonged, multi-limbed boinking Posted by: Will Folks ( always semi-erect ) at April 10, 2014 07:13 PM (JyjXt) She looks like that bony giant skeleton from "Poltergeist."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:14 PM (CMkNk)

22 Just saw over at Drudge that Hillary got a shoe thrown at her at a scrap metal convention in Vegas. In Peruvia that's a sign of respect.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 10, 2014 03:14 PM (8ZskC)

23 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:12 PM (CMkNk)

Well, we know it wasn't you....you have a bad wrist.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 03:15 PM (QFxY5)

24 "Not ruling it out," means, "Pretending to maybe do it."

Posted by: davidt at April 10, 2014 03:15 PM (nEIMV)

25 Sebelius should end her press conference with one of two lines from Belushi in Animal House. 1) (after he smashed the guys guitar) "Sorry".. or 2)...You fucked up, you trusted us. She'll end up with a nice gig somewhere in exchange for keeping her trap shut about (0)care.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 10, 2014 03:15 PM (igKtt)

26 23 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:12 PM (CMkNk) Well, we know it wasn't you....you have a bad wrist. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 07:15 PM (QFxY5) My pitching arm is still good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:16 PM (CMkNk)

27 "Sebelius being cast out is not a big deal. They will just get (and BTW, they have) another idiot stooge in her place"

Without looking, I predicted that the new HHS head would be:

-- Yet another member of the Ivy League mafia

-- A longtime Democratic Party hack functionary

-- Checking at least one identity politics box

Nailed it three for three. Not that this is hard. It's the same depressing cookie cutter from which so many of this administration's other little fuhrers have been stamped.

BTW, this nominee's history as a party hack goes all the way back to Michael flipping Dukakis. They're really having to scrape the bottom. Maybe next they can exhume an old Mondale hand.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 03:16 PM (noWW6)

28 Don't you get a bonus and pay raise if you're held in contempt?

Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2014 03:16 PM (QeH9j)

29 This 'contempt of congress' is a political thing. Congress is a creation of politics, and it's sole reason for being is political. To be 'in contempt of congress' is a political 'crime', and this business can all too easily get out of control, it will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it when it does.

Posted by: Smith the Inglorious Bastard at April 10, 2014 03:16 PM (sac/h)

30 Thanks, Gabe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette: The Green Jacket at April 10, 2014 03:16 PM (IXrOn)

31
Kathleen Sebelius?
Ace is like me, never heard of her.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 10, 2014 03:17 PM (mETGQ)

32 Oh. Never mind. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:08 PM

You know better, JJ.

After all, this is a complex process which will require lengthy deliberation, ample time for All Voices to be Heard, the sort of collegial action for which Congress is so famous, and of course much consideration of the potential harm it might do to the feelings of Choom Boy, who must be protected from any negative consequences because Affirmative Action.

Once again, the Poppin Fresh "in fairness" doctrine will triumph, as it must. No actions detrimental to (underpaid) Women and other Protected Minorities allowed. As shown by the proceedings against Holder.

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 10, 2014 03:17 PM (dDzOj)

33 "Â…on Friday morning he will nominate Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the director of the Office of Management and Budget, to replace her, officials said." From the Walter Duranty Times. Figures. Another hack.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:17 PM (CMkNk)

34 She'll end up with a nice gig somewhere in exchange for keeping her trap shut about (0)care. Posted by: Minnfidel at April 10, 2014 07:15 PM (igKtt) Like with....the DC office of Organizing for America?

Posted by: Country Singer at April 10, 2014 03:18 PM (r/e1Q)

35 "This civil contempt option is sharply limited. It may not be employed against federal employees acting in their official capacities."

Can it be employed against federal employees who have acted beyond the stipulated limits of their official capacities?

That is, against people who have broken the law under color of authority?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 03:18 PM (noWW6)

36 OMB director to follow Sebelius. HHS is way more about massaging numbers than Health and Human services.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 10, 2014 03:18 PM (/djtm)

thanks Gabe was wondering about option 1. so they could, if they really really wanted to jail her until she is cooperative.

Posted by: rich@gmu at April 10, 2014 03:18 PM (RhQvZ)

38 Also at Drudge: Scientists Implant Lab-Grown Vaginas in HumansÂ…

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:19 PM (CMkNk)

39 if they do not do it, nothing will happen now is the time to be bold go get her House, burn it down oh and go Fighting Sioux!

Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2014 03:19 PM (zOTsN)

40 backwards, forwards, square and round

Posted by: Will Folks ( always semi-erect ) at April 10, 2014 03:19 PM (JyjXt)

41 Can someone give me the cliff notes version of what Gabe is saying? Looks kinda long.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 03:20 PM (oMKp3)

42 Scientists Implant Lab-Grown Vaginas in HumansÂ… Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:19 PM (CMkNk) Mines natural!

Posted by: Weepin' Johnny Boehner at April 10, 2014 03:20 PM (r/e1Q)

43 Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 07:16 PM (noWW6)

Trivial private sector experience, no real management experience, and a policy hack from way back.

We're in good hands.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 03:20 PM (QFxY5)

44 @38, Petri Pee-Pee's?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:20 PM (CMkNk)

45 Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 07:20 PM (oMKp3)

It is an explanation of the four ways the Republicans are going to do nothing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 03:21 PM (QFxY5)

46 Sebelius is out? Sebelius is out?

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2014 03:21 PM (RJMhd)

47 That is, against people who have broken the law under color of authority?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 07:18 PM

Republicans & all holdovers from teh Eeeeevil Boooosh? You damn betcha. Democrats? Not so much....

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 10, 2014 03:21 PM (dDzOj)

48 Good post Gabe. I did read it. Timing sux though.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at April 10, 2014 03:22 PM (/djtm)

49 45 Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 07:20 PM (oMKp3) It is an explanation of the four ways the Republicans are going to do nothing. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 07:21 PM (QFxY5) Oh good. For a moment there I thought something might happen.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 03:22 PM (oMKp3)

50 It looks like THIS summer will be very interesting ... if the R's finally have the stomach for it. "Sebelius out" - My guess is that the 853k number is closer to the truth than 7 million. Sebelius is finally bailing, and I wonder if her departure will help the D's in November. "Contempt" - Lerner made 17 statements of fact, implicitly all different. When a (non-expert) witness is examined, or cross-examined, what is the average number of questions asked? Better yet, what is the number significant questions, ones that start a line of questioning (to establish facts, not clarify, follow-up or argue), asked? I'm guessing that 17 is well over 10%, maybe even over half. Once the process for Lerner has started, Holder should be next ... yeah, buddy, EVERYONE wants to go there.

Posted by: Jean-Pierre Folderol, Member, The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at April 10, 2014 03:22 PM (FlRtG)

51 Gabe says that Holder falls under the 4th type of contempt (which he says is not contempt at all), which would be handled under a civil court proceeding. Yet I have read multiple times that Holder is charged with criminal contempt of Congress.

How do you explain this, Gabe?

Is it because the US Attorney for the DC District refuses to submit the contempt finding to grand jury?

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 10, 2014 03:23 PM (cHZB7)

52 If they took the first option against Lerner, is there a little jail somewhere in Congress where they toss her? Like the stadium jail where they hold you after you get arrested for running naked across the field?

Posted by: mugiwara at April 10, 2014 03:23 PM (3a584)

53 "Under a newer law, deemed necessary during President NixonÂ’s battles with Congress, the Senate can seek a civil contempt order from the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia."

And gee, wouldn't you know, it was precisely in order to pack that particular court with Obama nominees that Dingy Harry invoked the "nuclear option" and did away with filibusters.

Almost as though the Democrats figured something like this was on the way and they needed to be beefing up their defenses.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 03:23 PM (noWW6)

54 Trivial private sector experience, no real management experience, and a policy hack from way back. We're in good hands. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 07:20 PM (QFxY5) Well sure, but can she sit in a chair and smile like a monkey at the cameras?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 03:24 PM (oFCZn)

55 Soviet leaders kept dying. Decades later their acolytes keep trying musical chairs.

Posted by: Integrotty at April 10, 2014 03:24 PM (wu/TK)

56 Just saw over at Drudge that Hillary got a shoe thrown at her at a scrap metal convention in Vegas. Horseshoe?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 03:25 PM (lUXJH)

57 Shakespeare got it right on Boehner: "Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2014 03:25 PM (o3MSL)

58 This lab grown vagina GOP we have won't do jack and or shit to the chinless one.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 10, 2014 03:25 PM (igKtt)

59 Well sure, but can she sit in a chair and smile like a monkey at the cameras? Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 07:24 PM (oFCZn) She goes all the way back to Dukakis. Maybe she can sit in a tank.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 03:26 PM (oMKp3)

60 Ghee maybe that Obamacare Sucks polling is right after all-- CNN!

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2014 03:28 PM (RJMhd)

61 Video of shoe flying past Hillary! in Vegas. She asks if it was a bat. I guess she thought it was a relative. Warning, ZeroHedge link: http://tinyurl.com/nt2rg4n

Posted by: Country Singer at April 10, 2014 03:29 PM (r/e1Q)

Our laws are being ignored and circumvented under the harsh rule of this Lawless Administration.

We have a Potus who rewrites a Law that he pushed for and signed...in order to delay the political consequences.

And he makes new laws with a stroke of his pen.

Congress has been rendered impotent and has seen fit to accept this position.

So while it is nice to contemplate what could be done 'under the law'...it is a futile exercise in our present state of flagrant Lawlessness.

I am reminded of that saying from the OJ Simpson trial...

"No Justice -- No Peace."

Because it seems like this is the direction they are pushing us towards.

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 03:30 PM (FWbLS)

63 Politicians being pelted with thrown objects, shoes, rotten eggs, rotten vegetables, could become a thing.

Posted by: Smith the Inglorious Bastard at April 10, 2014 03:30 PM (sac/h)

64 OT. So eating at Ichiban's in Flowood. What do I spy? A school bus pulls in and disgorges student. High school senior type I think. Two ladies are wearing very nicely Daisy Dukes that are so short Daisy would be embarrassed. Then there is the one in the black leather micro-mini and black f@ck me pumps. Now back to your regularly scheduled post. I hear some sushi calling my name.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2014 03:31 PM (7jDXZ)

65 53 Almost as though the Democrats figured something like this was on the way and they needed to be beefing up their defenses. Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 07:23 PM (noWW6) I would not object if something like "The Star Chamber" existed to deal with this. I really would not at all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:31 PM (CMkNk)

66 Politicians being pelted with thrown objects, shoes, rotten eggs, rotten vegetables, could become a thing. Posted by: Smith the Inglorious Bastard at April 10, 2014 07:30 PM (sac/h) MOAR Garbage!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2014 03:31 PM (o3MSL)

67 Is there a track that leads to a firing squad? That would be the track I'd like to see a lot of folks on.

Posted by: Dang at April 10, 2014 03:31 PM (MNq6o)

68 64 Now back to your regularly scheduled post. I hear some sushi calling my name. Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2014 07:31 PM (7jDXZ) MmmÂ… bi-pedal yellow tail!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:31 PM (CMkNk)

69 HRC does have a sole

Posted by: Contrary to what Benghazi proves at April 10, 2014 03:32 PM (wu/TK)

70 67 Is there a track that leads to a firing squad? That would be the track I'd like to see a lot of folks on. Posted by: Dang at April 10, 2014 07:31 PM (MNq6o) Conserve ammo. Use a rope and gravity.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:32 PM (CMkNk)

71 OT. So eating at Ichiban's in Flowood. What do I spy? A school bus pulls in and disgorges student. High school senior type I think.

Two ladies are wearing very nicely Daisy Dukes that are so short Daisy would be embarrassed. Then there is the one in the black leather micro-mini and black f@ck me pumps.

Now back to your regularly scheduled post. I hear some sushi calling my name.

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2014 07:31 PM (7jDXZ)

Go on

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 10, 2014 03:32 PM (nTgAI)

72 Conserve ammo. Use a rope and gravity. Piano wire.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 03:33 PM (lUXJH)

73 72 Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 07:33 PM (lUXJH) I like the way your mind works.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:33 PM (CMkNk)

She triggered me! ....I couldn't help it! She triggered me!

Posted by: Woman who threw the Shoe at Hillary at April 10, 2014 03:33 PM (FWbLS)

75 Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2014 07:31 PM (7jDXZ) Anna, Anna, Anna, you know the rules, pics or it didn't happen!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2014 03:33 PM (o3MSL)

76 They will never, ever arrest Lerner.

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 10, 2014 03:34 PM (BZAd3)

77 Forget the sushi. Get the linguine with clam sauce.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:34 PM (CMkNk)

78 I hold the whole administration in contempt,hell,the whole fucking government.

Posted by: steevy at April 10, 2014 03:34 PM (zqvg6)

79 Piano wire. Posted by: rickb223

Around the genitals. A three foot drop ought to do it.

Posted by: Dang at April 10, 2014 03:35 PM (MNq6o)

80 76 They will never, ever arrest Lerner. Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at April 10, 2014 07:34 PM (BZAd3) Meh. I want to see Elijah Cumstain sweat a bit. At this point, is there any doubt at all that this shit does not go directly to the top?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:35 PM (CMkNk)

81 AOSHQ Project of the Month: Procure funds in order to purchase a camera for Anna Puma.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 03:36 PM (oFCZn)

82 Million man march with 2 million guns. (Doughboy Morrissey just fainted).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:36 PM (CMkNk)

83 Million man march with 2 million guns. To the Bundy Ranch in Nevada!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 03:38 PM (lUXJH)

84 You should see OUR parliamentary procedure.

Posted by: Ministry of British Fart Control at April 10, 2014 03:39 PM (5ikDv)

85 Million man march with 2 million guns. (Doughboy Morrissey just fainted).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:36 PM (CMkNk)

1 million guns short, unless 1 million are rifles and shotguns.

Posted by: steveegg at April 10, 2014 03:40 PM (o44nj)

86 83 Million man march with 2 million guns. To the Bundy Ranch in Nevada! Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 07:38 PM (lUXJH) Hmmm. Intriguing.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:40 PM (CMkNk)

87 To the Bunny Ranch in Nevada! Wait...umm. Something seems wrong here.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 03:40 PM (oFCZn)

88 To the Bundy Ranch in Nevada! Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 07:38 PM (lUXJH) Is this the hill to finally die on????

Posted by: spypeach at April 10, 2014 03:40 PM (10H0T)

80...I want to see Elijah Cumstain sweat a bit.

Yes, please.

At this point, is there any doubt at all that this shit does not go directly to the top?

No doubt....none whatsoever.

Posted by: Woman who threw the Shoe at Hillary at April 10, 2014 03:41 PM (FWbLS)

90 off sock

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 03:41 PM (FWbLS)

91 Million man march with 2 million guns. To the Bundy Ranch in Nevada! Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 07:38 PM (lUXJH) Hmmm. Intriguing. Let the BLM snipers ponder on that.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2014 03:41 PM (lUXJH)

92 UND vs UM in Frozen Four on ESPN2, the Ocho

Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2014 03:42 PM (zOTsN)

93
Is this the hill to finally die on????

Almost!

Posted by: Fightin' John Boehner [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 03:42 PM (5ikDv)

94 It's one thing to be oppressed; it's quite another to have your oppressors to laugh at you while they do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 03:42 PM (CMkNk)

95 What good is submitting the contempt citation to the US Attorney when we know damn good and well he won't submit it to a Grand Jury. Holder won't allow that to happen.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 10, 2014 03:44 PM (vVSOO)

96 OT - http://www.drop-dropbox.com/

On April 9th, Dropbox announced that Condoleezza Rice will be joining their Board of Directors. Dropbox's CEO, Drew Houston, posted the following message: ....

Posted by: Politics is too political at April 10, 2014 03:44 PM (rCS6C)

97 UND vs UM in Frozen Four on ESPN2, the Ocho Masters recap on now. Replay at 8 et. Lefty did not have a good day.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 03:44 PM (0HooB)

98 Glad made people chuckle. So that ranch. Is that the bordello the government mismanaged?

Posted by: Anna Puma at April 10, 2014 03:45 PM (nYpZB)

99 News Flash... Juan Williams is still an idiot. Useful idiot for the Dems, but still an idiot. Second News Flash... Our Atty Gen is a whiney racist idiot. He asks what AG has been treated like this? Me thinks he should ask John Mitchell who did jail time IIRC for flaunting the laws as AG. Because poor put upon Eric has certainly flaunted plenty as AG. He'd be a scumbag if he was white, I could care less that he's black.

Posted by: The Farmer at April 10, 2014 03:45 PM (eBupg)

100 Nobody dies on HRC she's like a sand dune--always shifty

Posted by: Apple pie & keep mum at April 10, 2014 03:46 PM (wu/TK)

101 Wonder what the lefty response to the shoes for Hillary campaign will be. They were pretty smug when that Iraqi threw his shoes at Bush.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 10, 2014 03:48 PM (vVSOO)

102

99...Our Atty Gen is a whiney racist idiot. He asks what AG has been treated like this?

John Ashcroft was certainly treated worse.

And Alberto Gonzales was repeated raked over the coals by the Dems.

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 03:49 PM (FWbLS)

103 They should just deem it passed.

Posted by: Max Power at April 10, 2014 03:49 PM (q177U)

104 11 Just saw over at Drudge that Hillary got a shoe thrown at her at a scrap metal convention in Vegas. Remember how the MFM chuckled when that Iraqi reporter threw a shoe at W? I'm certain we'll see journalistic consistency.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 10, 2014 03:50 PM (dvRYt)

105 BREAKING NEWS... Object flung at Hillary was one of Wendy Davis's pink shoes.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 03:50 PM (oFCZn)

106 As far as the Bundy thing goes. Obama wants hsi own Waco, the left wants another Waco where they can have a pile of dead "wingers" so they can pat themselves on the back about killing some people.

They will do this because Conservatives almost never and I mean almost never push back. But when we do, well we have a whole bunch of fellow Conservatives who will rush to throw them under the bus.

You know what the left does? They turn their's into folk heros and put their faces on t-shirts and rub our noses in it by putting them in positions where they have either influence or a public presence.

Until we are willing to do the same they will win.

Posted by: southdakotaboy at April 10, 2014 03:50 PM (yh4lQ)

107 . He'd be a scumbag if he was white, I could care less that he's black. Posted by: The Farmer at April 10, 2014 07:45 PM (eBupg) This!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition, the guy that will push that button at April 10, 2014 03:51 PM (R8hU8)

108 Apparently Ezra Klein is Baghdad Bob. Go to Vox to see why Seblius resigning means Obamacare has won.

Posted by: Adam at April 10, 2014 03:51 PM (Aif/5)

109 Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 07:49 PM (FWbLS) Yes, but they deserved it because they weren't "my people"!

Posted by: Eric "Red" Holder at April 10, 2014 03:51 PM (o3MSL)

110 108 Apparently Ezra Klein is Baghdad Bob. Go to Vox to see why Seblius resigning means Obamacare has won. Posted by: Adam at April 10, 2014 07:51 PM (Aif/5) He's explaining what happened to you. Why won't you let Ezra explain things for you?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 03:54 PM (oFCZn)

111 John Ashcroft was certainly treated worse. And Alberto Gonzales was repeated raked over the coals by the Dems. Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 07:49 PM (FWbLS) fnord (FWbLS) But they were UnPeople, wheatie. They don't count. As to his assertion that no President has ever been treated worse, I can think of a few who were shot. So there's that. Basically he's a leftist, nothing that can't help him *now* actually exists, in his mind.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 03:55 PM (qyfb5)

112 Obamacare is a turn key program. A skeleton key.

Posted by: K Seb at April 10, 2014 03:56 PM (wu/TK)

113 Thanks Ezra, it all makes sense now. Sebelius stood on the mountain, shook her manly face and said, all is good, my work here is finished.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 10, 2014 03:56 PM (igKtt)

114 Contempt of Congress? Hell, yes, I feel contempt for Congress!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 03:58 PM (Sow0v)

115 It's funny how many things we *can* do that we *don't* do because it hasn't been done in a long time.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 10, 2014 03:59 PM (X9npt)

116 Contempt of Congress? Hell, yes, I feel contempt for Congress! You won't find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 04:00 PM (0HooB)

117 102 99...Our Atty Gen is a whiney racist idiot. He asks what AG has been treated like this? John Ashcroft was certainly treated worse. And Alberto Gonzales was repeated raked over the coals by the Dems. Posted by: wheatie Maybe Mitchell, Ashcroft and Gonzales were all secretly black? Yeah, that's the ticket, that's why they were dissed. Wait Gonzales was Hispanic, did he piss and moan about discrimination because of his ethnicity?

Posted by: The Farmer at April 10, 2014 04:01 PM (eBupg)

118 Oh, all the things we can do when we do them to better you!

Posted by: Harasstivists at April 10, 2014 04:03 PM (wu/TK)

119 104 Remember how the MFM chuckled when that Iraqi reporter threw a shoe at W? I'm certain we'll see journalistic consistency. Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at April 10, 2014 07:50 PM (dvRYt) Of course they are consistently inconsistent, so there's that

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 04:06 PM (HVff2)

120 "Ace asked about it and I said on the podcast that it would be extremely unusual for the House to exercise its inherent contempt powers under the first track described above since they haven't done it since the 1930s."

I would sourly note that this administration is routinely engaging in brute force power grabs that hearken back to the very worst of FDR in the 1930s as well. So let's dust off the old rules on both sides, shall we?

Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2014 04:06 PM (noWW6)

121 The things we can do and don't? What about all of those things that are clearly violations of the constitution that government is not supposed to do, but does anyway?

Posted by: Smith the Inglorious Bastard at April 10, 2014 04:08 PM (sac/h)

122 Yep.

Posted by: GilaGuy who lurks at April 10, 2014 04:09 PM (b96D1)

123 What about the Kim NORK flamethrower option? Couldn't we start with Lerner as a test case?

Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at April 10, 2014 04:09 PM (ZG3Fa)

124 grammie winger: "Can someone give me the cliff notes version of what Gabe is saying? Looks kinda long." Congress could throw Lerner into the volcano but would first have to delicately and prolongedly determine the state of her virginity.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 10, 2014 04:09 PM (1CroS)

125 Congress could throw Lerner into the volcano but would first have to delicately and prolongedly determine the state of her virginity. I'll help determine that. Hmmmm, nope. In she goes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 04:13 PM (0HooB)

126
Congress could throw Lerner into the volcano but would first have to delicately and prolongedly determine the state of her virginity.
---------------
Uh huh. And just who, exactly, would volunteer for that job?

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at April 10, 2014 04:13 PM (vVSOO)

127 Gabe - Don't go there buddy...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:14 PM (aDwsi)

128 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 10, 2014 08:09 PM (1CroS) F*cking ewwww

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 04:15 PM (HVff2)

129 I threw a shoe at Hillary once.

Posted by: Vince Foster [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 04:16 PM (5ikDv)

130 What about all of those things that are clearly violations of the constitution that government is not supposed to do, but does anyway? Posted by: Smith --------------- I keep waiting for someone to draw up an enumerated list of charges against certain members of the administration, and start a petition calling for impeachment/prosecution.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:17 PM (aDwsi)

131 Can't we just hang these fvckers? Contempt is such a minimal part of my option.

Posted by: mike at April 10, 2014 04:18 PM (RFg2q)

132 I keep waiting for someone to draw up an enumerated list of charges against certain members of the administration, and start a petition calling for impeachment/prosecution. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 08:17 PM (aDwsi) fnord (aDwsi) Been done like 20 times. I hope you're not waiting to hear about it in the MFM. Unfortunately no one wants to work together and everyone likes superfluous crap on their list, plus the GOP won't touch that with a ten meter cattle prod.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 04:20 PM (qyfb5)

133 Spinning Sebelius-- Ezra's a magician and he's pulling rabbits out of his ass.

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2014 04:25 PM (RJMhd)

134 @91 rickb223 The will is there, it's the organization that is lacking.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 10, 2014 04:28 PM (/h+xv)

135 133 I keep waiting for someone to draw up an enumerated list of charges against certain members of the administration, and start a petition calling for impeachment/prosecution. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 08:17 PM (aDwsi) fnord (aDwsi) I'll throw in the blind fold & pack of smokes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 04:29 PM (HVff2)

136 I'll throw in the blind fold & pack of smokes Posted by: Misanthropic ----------------- We're going to need them anyway.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:30 PM (aDwsi)

137 UND vs U of M game about to start

Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2014 04:32 PM (zOTsN)

138 Apparently Sebelious has 'resigned'

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:32 PM (aDwsi)

139 Ezra's a magician and he's pulling rabbits out of his ass. Go on...

Posted by: Richard Gere at April 10, 2014 04:33 PM (mx5oN)

140 Apparently Sebelious has 'resigned' Posted by: Mike ------- It is now only necessary to line up another throne-sniffing sycophant.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:34 PM (aDwsi)

141 Hillary Clinton is a pro at ducking 2016 questions. SheÂ’s apparently also good at ducking shoes. A woman threw what appeared to be a shoe at the former secretary of state in Las Vegas, but the potential presidential contender moved out of the way, then joked about it, according to reports.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 10, 2014 04:35 PM (e8kgV)

142 Sure is quiet tonight.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 04:35 PM (0HooB)

143 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2014 07:20 PM (QFxY5) Clinton alum don't forget that.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) at April 10, 2014 04:36 PM (HDwDg)

144 Sure is quiet tonight. Posted by: Backwards ----- Too quiet...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:37 PM (aDwsi)

145 Someone should donate a case of those plastic handcuffs to the Sgt @ Arms. Sayun.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 04:37 PM (thLL8)

146 In case you haven't been following the story about the Bundy Ranch in NV... We don't like to discuss such things here.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (thLL8)

147 Who's fucking the turtles is what I want to know.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 10, 2014 04:39 PM (8ZskC)

148 "We are not jackbooted thugs" - Bill Clinton

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:40 PM (aDwsi)

149 Who's fucking the turtles is what I want to know. Rumor has it, Rove likes his turtles big, fat, and from Kentucky

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 04:41 PM (thLL8)

150 149 Who's fucking the turtles is what I want to know. Posted by: Joe Biden at April 10, 2014 08:39 PM (8ZskC) *********** The cows. Duh.

Posted by: Ezra The Schill at April 10, 2014 04:41 PM (RJMhd)

151 Who's fucking the turtles is what I want to know. Posted by: Joe Biden --------------- It is perfectly legal in NV, Joe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:41 PM (aDwsi)

152 I have a bad feeling about this..

Posted by: Soothie at April 10, 2014 04:42 PM (6iScy)

153 I wonder if Kathy Sebelious is quitting on account of pay inequity?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:43 PM (aDwsi)

154 i should have done so and so. but i didn't because i'm chickenshit . i didn't because my safety and pension are more important than the country. i didn't because i like the little power i have with a little skim off the top. i didn't because nsa might have info on me. i didn't because ultimately my standing is more important than the countries standing. i didn't because , who in the hell cares as long as i got mine?

Posted by: willow channeling our gop and other leaders that have passed at April 10, 2014 04:43 PM (nqBYe)

155 I have a bad feeling about this.. The turtle fucking or the DOJ?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 04:43 PM (thLL8)

156 Oops. 'Sebelius' Tomato , tomahto

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:44 PM (aDwsi)

157 There will be no turtle humping in this here county--it's dry!

Posted by: Sheriff Joe at April 10, 2014 04:45 PM (RJMhd)

158 waterfrogs are cute ,however.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:45 PM (nqBYe)

159 willow - It is only necessary that people do nothing.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 04:45 PM (aDwsi)

160 I'm off--I blame reading the Ezra piece. Holy gawd.

Posted by: Damnit I Forgot The Biden at April 10, 2014 04:46 PM (RJMhd)

161 If any fun starts, it'll be when the Oathkeepers arrive in force. That is, if they are more than just talk.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 10, 2014 04:48 PM (SAMxH)

162 Mike, we are a nation of do nothings. i blame lack of our leadership having any integrity whatsoever.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:49 PM (nqBYe)

163

This shit wouldn't be happening under a President Perry.

Perry has been talking about the plight of our protein producers...for years.

But he's been doing it on the business channels.

Burning food in our cars is insane.

It has also had a disastrous effect on our protein producers.

Posted by: wheatie at April 10, 2014 04:49 PM (FWbLS)

164 77 Forget the sushi. Get the linguine with clam sauce.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2014 07:34 PM (CMkNk)

I'm sure you meant lingerie. Linguini is certainly a typo

Posted by: Asscheeks of Saturn at April 10, 2014 04:50 PM (mcQuu)

165 wheatie in fairness all food has gone through the roof. but yea.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:51 PM (nqBYe)

166 Videocassettes and DVDs should be the missiles for HRC

Posted by: Ewetube at April 10, 2014 04:52 PM (wu/TK)

167 Mike, we are a nation of do nothings. i blame lack of our leadership having any integrity whatsoever. Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 08:49 PM (nqBYe) fnord (nqBYe) People notice when the nail that stands up gets hammered down. It's just what they do. Yes, the consequences are tragic to the point of horror.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 04:52 PM (qyfb5)

168 we should ask Hillary about her campaign, why does it matter now?

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:53 PM (nqBYe)

169 Burning food in our cars is insane. It has also had a disastrous effect on our protein producers. Shirley you don't think your enemies want you well fed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 04:53 PM (0HooB)

170 @167 Some brands of bread are going for nearly $5 a loaf. It's insane.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 10, 2014 04:54 PM (Xkr8I)

171 They FIXED the website! Now the lady that screwed up everything is gone also. Obamacare is now FANTASTIC. Let's party!! If you disagree= RAYCIST

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at April 10, 2014 04:54 PM (6NAMw)

172 Didn't Mark Twain say that contempt of Congress is pretty much a universal sentiment?

Posted by: rickl at April 10, 2014 04:54 PM (sdi6R)

173 Some brands of bread are going for nearly $5 a loaf. There is no inflation!

Posted by: Barky McShitstain at April 10, 2014 04:54 PM (thLL8)

174 Merovign , you know what i could handle that from the fkn Progressives because I see who they are. But OUR side does it to those that try to educate or explain to the public the intricacies of our fkdness

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:55 PM (nqBYe)

175 lock her up and lose the key, but lets hold off on it til the election is finished.

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 10, 2014 04:55 PM (rDidD)

176 Is Lerner a flight risk?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 04:56 PM (thLL8)

177 is anyone worried about lerner walking around in public with a mask on?

Posted by: yankeefifth at April 10, 2014 04:57 PM (rDidD)

178 Contempt of Congress. Oh noes! /recoils in horror Next up: sternly worded letter. This congress has no balls, let alone teeth. Walk in front of them, drop your pants and grab your business and they'll be "shocked." SHOCKED!!11! pussies.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 04:58 PM (x3YFz)

179 Is Lerner a flight risk? Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 08:56 PM (thLL8 why should she be? she is still invited to the best parties, She will have a statue up in her honor in some square later, perhaps a nice grouping like mt rushmore, but with obama, pelosi, sebellius, lerner, You know all the distinguished people that took the country down with a smile. and perhaps a little note on the side of those republicans that helped.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 04:59 PM (nqBYe)

180 it's like the don't ask , don't tell of politics.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:00 PM (nqBYe)

181 Merovign , you know what i could handle that from the fkn Progressives because I see who they are. But OUR side does it to those that try to educate or explain to the public the intricacies of our fkdness Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 08:55 PM (nqBYe) fnord (nqBYe) Nobody really *wants* to know they're in a handbasket, or where it's going. I understand that. I'm not mad about that, per se. But, yeah, not helping.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 05:01 PM (qyfb5)

182 why should she? You're right. She could go to California and party. They have no extradition right?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 05:01 PM (thLL8)

183 bring her to Texas

Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2014 05:02 PM (zOTsN)

184 I think Lerner is a blight risk.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at April 10, 2014 05:02 PM (oFCZn)

185 Banzai@!!!!

Posted by: Nikkei Index [/i][/b] at April 10, 2014 05:03 PM (m58Tu)

186 You're right. She could go to California and party. They have no extradition right? Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 10, 2014 09:01 PM (thLL

yeah, they like sanctuary of those that break laws and destroy countries. especially like those that destroy countries.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:03 PM (nqBYe)

187 @125 That volcano schtick never gets old.

Posted by: Stringer Davis at April 10, 2014 05:03 PM (xq1UY)

188 186 reminds me of the 4th grade when I called my teacher an eye sore. Pappa Misanthrope not happy. Neither was my ass

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 05:04 PM (HVff2)

189 I expect Boehner to lead the Republican congress in desperate action to save our Republic; great men rise to the occasion in trying times. This has always been the way of our country, from Washington to Reagan; when the Republic was in danger - America has found a way.

Maybe Boehner can do his Iron Eyes Cody imitation and weep at Lerner and Holder - that'll teach these Chicago thugs a thing or three.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 10, 2014 05:04 PM (ylhEn)

190 Burwell's lack of experience is no problem. She can surround herself with those wise from experience and benefit from their counsel. It's worked for POTUS. We have nothing to fear from a Secretary Burwell.

Posted by: The Collegial John McCain at April 10, 2014 05:04 PM (wNYbV)

191 If you missed the Gohmert/Holder exchange http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fHVBxfUZ40

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 05:05 PM (aDwsi)

192 Nobody really *wants* to know they're in a handbasket, or where it's going. LOL! I understand that. I'm not mad about that, per se. I am! But, yeah, not helping. Yeah you know what, a public asleep a media that lies, all contributes to our collapse. and honestly, At this Point i want them to experience the fear just as i do. I want them to worry as i do about "THE children' Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 10, 2014 09:01 PM (qyfb5)

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:07 PM (nqBYe)

193 @163 irongrampa Waiting for the drop in tax revenues and the fed enforcers trying to collect. Me thinks that is when it gets interesting. Seizing bank accounts, with nothing in them, and houses, fair market value worth less than outstanding mortgages, will make the feds more aggressive with prison sentences and fines. Especially for conservatives. G-d knows, as we all do now, how much the IRS hate conservatives.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at April 10, 2014 05:09 PM (/h+xv)

194 So Megan is beating the shit out of that fair shitstain....its a classic

Posted by: E.T. at April 10, 2014 05:10 PM (uGlk8)

195 That's CAIR

Posted by: E.T. at April 10, 2014 05:11 PM (uGlk8)

196 Because shuttup.

Posted by: BLM Free Speech Zones [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2014 05:12 PM (5ikDv)

197 Yeah you know what, a public asleep a media that lies, all contributes to our collapse. and honestly, At this Point i want them to experience the fear just as i do. I want them to worry as i do about "THE children' Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 10, 2014 09:01 PM (qyfb5) Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 09:07 PM (nqBYe) I'm in the "slap the shit out of someone" mode today. IRL disasters have occurred. In no mood for nonsense. Ready to snatch a bitch up by the throat kinda day.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 05:13 PM (x3YFz)

198 Yeah you know what, a public asleep a media that lies, all contributes to our collapse. and honestly, At this Point i want them to experience the fear just as i do. I want them to worry as i do about "THE children' Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 09:07 PM (nqBYe) fnord (nqBYe) As the oft-maligned Rumsfeld once said, you go to war with the army you have, not the army you want. If you plan begins with "if only people would," it has already failed. That's why the left has become so adept at "unpeopling" people. Your plan has to begin with "because people do," and yes, that's a lot harder. They really, really really think their plan will work, even though it has never worked before. And if it fails again, they will blame you for not clicking your heels hard enough. We are forced into negotiation with madmen because they've corroded our ability to simply keep them from having power over us. It's a rotten place to be, no doubt. I don't have the answer.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 05:14 PM (qyfb5)

199 Contempt of Congress seems to be just a bit more "involved" than first thought ... ... it seems that one Elijah Cummings might be facing 5 years in prison, as per Gateway Pundit: http://tinyurl.com/loygc7b

Posted by: Arbalest at April 10, 2014 05:15 PM (FlRtG)

200 0-0 after the first period

Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2014 05:15 PM (zOTsN)

201 tangonine, I just want them told where the Ideas come from and Where they lead! i would like that done before people are hurt. i don't want my neighbors to pay for their idiocy or me. But i do what them to Understand what they signed on for. and what they can Expect for Their children.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:15 PM (nqBYe)

202 Ok - haven't read much today. the doggeh has decided that it's time for a walk, so give me a few suggestions of hat to listen to, please. Already listened to Craig Ferguson stand-up routine (+he was pretty good at the White House correspondents thing) & some Adam Corrolla today - anything else before I head out the door?

Posted by: shredded chi at April 10, 2014 05:16 PM (qXebp)

203 I don't have the answer. I do. The answer is Rule .308 It's just not workable. Yet

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2014 05:16 PM (yz6yg)

204 And, I want someone from our side to Articulate this message for the masses without interference from 'our betters'

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:16 PM (nqBYe)

205 Gohmert is up next on Kelly File, ought to be *real* interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2014 05:17 PM (aDwsi)

206 We are forced into negotiation with madmen because they've corroded our ability to simply keep them from having power over us. It's a rotten place to be, no doubt. I don't have the answer. Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at April 10, 2014 09:14 PM Good post, and point taken. But you're missing the alternative approach: we just choose not to play. Extrapolate that.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 05:17 PM (x3YFz)

207 don't have cable. damn it. so Mike you are in charge of the messaging. with a cherry on top.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:18 PM (nqBYe)

208 Willow ... why don't you just wish a frog not to bump it's ass on the ground when it hops. People are going to be hurt. Some of them will be your neighbors. When shit hits the fan ... you'll have to hurt some of them yourself. Ain't gonna' be a soft landing to this.

Posted by: ScoggDog at April 10, 2014 05:18 PM (VdBU2)

209 I'm a feminist and a Muslim!

Posted by: CAIR Spokeswoman at April 10, 2014 05:19 PM (Aif/5)

210 Ms.Burwell in an recent interview at the Economic Club in Washington DC. Ms. Burwell was confirmed for her present position 96-0. She will have little problem getting confirmed. Remember Sarah Palin's warning about death panels....we will now have a total budget and number's nazi executing HHS and it's mandates. It was the next step, rationing via the numbers. http://tinyurl.com/kcok259 There was a different video in which she is extolling how well Obamacare has worked regarding 26 year olds and parent' s insurance, uninsured, etc. Total garbage from the adminstrations, so she is definitely a team player. She was also Clinton's OMB director.....after looking at her in this video, I doubt he hit it.

Posted by: Jen at April 10, 2014 05:19 PM (Mt+Yq)

211 ... it seems that one Elijah Cummings might be facing 5 years in prison, as per Gateway Pundit:

http://tinyurl.com/loygc7b

Hmmm, and how much time would King Putt and Holder be facing for 300 counts of Felony indifference Homicide in Fast and Furious?

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at April 10, 2014 05:20 PM (ylhEn)

212 Do you see what can be done through media? Behold, the New Normal. And it took only 6 years.

Posted by: Soothie at April 10, 2014 05:21 PM (6iScy)

213 @212 She's been all through the dem machine. Complete and total lackey.

Posted by: Kreplach at April 10, 2014 05:23 PM (Xkr8I)

214 And we all know how the R's will vote in her confirmation.

Posted by: Soothie at April 10, 2014 05:24 PM (6iScy)

215 Slightly OT: http://tinyurl.com/mq7xylf Naval railgun. Mounted on a ship.

Posted by: Daybrother at April 10, 2014 05:24 PM (P8IDJ)

216 Remember Sarah Palin's warning about death panels....we will now have a total budget and number's nazi executing HHS and it's mandates. It was the next step, rationing via the numbers. We've seen how this bunch spends money like there's no tomorrow, but watch and see how tightfisted they get when they have to spend money on us.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at April 10, 2014 05:25 PM (0HooB)

217 "Naval railgun. Mounted on a ship."

How long before barkus dorkus I sells it to the chicoms?

Posted by: GMB (et al) at April 10, 2014 05:26 PM (nkPV9)

218 I find myself in that awkward place where the topic at hand has slowed to a crawl and yet the ONT is still afar off. Maybe I'll turn in early. Night all.

Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 05:27 PM (oMKp3)

219 Posted by: grammie winger at April 10, 2014 09:27 PM (oMKp3) (hug)

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 05:31 PM (x3YFz)

220 nite grammie, i'm sorry i couldn't be more playful, i'm realize i'm just going to 11 with concern.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:32 PM (nqBYe)

221 When they refurbished the Capitol, each chamber should have had a Navy style brig built into their respective basements. The Chairman could twirl a little BOQ style toothbrush pack in order to get people's attention.

Posted by: Jean at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (Aqvh6)

222 new thread...and you're welcome

Posted by: Guido at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (GYg/s)

223 We've seen how this bunch spends money like there's no tomorrow, but watch and see how tightfisted they get when they have to spend money on us. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 10, 2014 09:25 PM (0HooB) Racist & hater

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (HVff2)

224 BLM agents in helicopters have been driving the Bundy's cattle, forcing them to run... ! never run your market beef ! (seriously)

Posted by: Puncher at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (ujsWx)

225 i wish we could even do something as simple as a tax revolt, but as long as printing is on steroids it would have no effect.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (nqBYe)

226 222 nite grammie, i'm sorry i couldn't be more playful, i'm realize i'm just going to 11 with concern. Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 09:32 PM (nqBYe) fnord (nqBYe) {{hugs}} because I don't have the answer. And sleep well, grammie winger.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at April 10, 2014 05:33 PM (qyfb5)

227 Those aren't snipers and they are there for your protection. We're not seizing the Bundys' cattle, contractors are. We're here to protect the Public land that belongs to everyone; now get the hell off it or we will arrest you.

Posted by: BLM at April 10, 2014 05:34 PM (4tBVN)

228 never run your market beef ! (seriously) Posted by: Puncher at April 10, 2014 09:33 PM (ujsWx) we should tell them they expend more methane when stressed. that will do it!

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:34 PM (nqBYe)

229 My F African grey tore the left eye out of my sweetest green cheeked conure today. I don't know how to react yet. Rage. Sorrow. Empathy. Snuggles. Shotgun. I'm in that mix of emotions where it's best not to act.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 05:34 PM (x3YFz)

230 Bundy ???? "Harried with children"

Posted by: seamrog at April 10, 2014 05:37 PM (AW0aH)

231 But you're missing the alternative approach: we just choose not to play. Extrapolate that. Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 09:17 PM (x3YFz) How does that saying go? "You may not be interested in War, but War is interested in you."

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 10, 2014 05:38 PM (bb5+k)

232 tangonine, i had that happen with a a parakeet of all things sorry a none expensive family membe , food , terrorizing the furniture, cheap buy but precious and sweet. to me yeah separate them and always remember to never trust the beloved again

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:38 PM (nqBYe)

233 sorry, it was the leg bitten off not the eye Bad !bad! Bird!

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:39 PM (nqBYe)

234 it's like the cat bringing home a gift of a hummingbird. not.so.happy

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:41 PM (nqBYe)

235 can't spell and could be runn'n wth sizzors, bad day all around.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:42 PM (nqBYe)

236 tangonine, i had that happen with a a parakeet of all things sorry a none expensive family membe , food , terrorizing the furniture, cheap buy but precious and sweet. to me yeah separate them and always remember to never trust the beloved again Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 09:38 PM (nqBYe) She terrorizes all the birds in the flock (2 green cheeks, 3 suns, 1 timneh grey). She wrecks my house, attacks other fids. She's got to go. I've had her since she was 6 weeks old, and I love her, but she's got to go. Put her up on craigs list for $500 today. Greys run about $2K, so if I can't be rid of her by Sunday I'm opening the front door and she's on her own. She's a detriment to me and the rest of the flock. I love her; and in the right home she'll be fine. Just not here.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 05:48 PM (x3YFz)

237 i used to have a mini african grey! bluebeard

Posted by: Puncher at April 10, 2014 05:52 PM (1YgVg)

238 tango, sleep on it. i know how you feel. sleep.on.it.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:53 PM (nqBYe)

239 if i had 500 bucks, and was in cali. look, when one of my previous conures got out and got stuck in a tree outside it was an attack by even the smallest sparrows, it's nature, i don't know how they think, but the bird Knows you. just separate the shithead.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 05:56 PM (nqBYe)

240 look, when one of my previous conures got out and got stuck in a tree outside it was an attack by even the smallest sparrows, it's nature, i don't know how they think, but the bird Knows you. just separate the shithead. Posted by: willow at April 10, 2014 09:56 PM (nqBYe) I have 7 fids. She's the only one that's predatory. She's also the smartest bird in the flock. She's scary smart. But, she's also aggressive and preys on the other fids. I can't let that continue. My sweetest, most loveable conure lost an eye to her today. It ends. Now.

Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2014 06:03 PM (x3YFz)

241 I love the podcast and have consumed it for, well, a long time, and never thanked you. THANK YOU all who produce and participate in the podcast.

Posted by: Mongerel at April 10, 2014 07:07 PM (YqWfw)

242 It would be a shame if Lerner looked and saw a possible 10 years fed for each disclosure of IRS taxpayer information, rolled over, and puked her guts up: poor down-trodden Elijah might have to play the champ to keep important people from appearing dirty.

Posted by: silent voice of unreason at April 10, 2014 07:41 PM (Ub0iy)

243 Someone wake me when the caning begins.

Posted by: Guido at May 07, 2014 04:37 PM (GYg/s)

244 'Nuts & Bolts'? I favor thumbscrews.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 07, 2014 05:02 PM (aDwsi)

245 T9 - But, she's also aggressive and preys on the other fids. I can't let that continue. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKRnEOUxZm0

Posted by: Mike Hammer at May 07, 2014 05:08 PM (aDwsi)

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