March 11, 2010
— DrewM Let's start with the bottom line...NY State Assemblyman Felix Ortiz (he of the no holding a cellphone while driving ban) is a putz.
Now Mr. Genius wants to ban the inclusion of salt in all food prepared by restaurants.
Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research salt’s role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his bill’s ramifications for the restaurant industry. He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,” Ortiz tells me, before going on to say that he has eaten, and expects he will continue to eat, among other things, ham, cheese and bread in restaurants, all of which contain salt.
...Regardless of the intent, and accepting its sponsor’s claim that it is part of his campaign to improve the public’s health, the bill exhibits profound ignorance not only of matters of taste — literally — but also of the chemistry of cooking.
“It’s a preposterous notion,” says baker extraordinaire Michael London, whose Mrs. London’s Bakery has been a Saratoga Springs institution for more than three decades. “Not using salt would make breads insipid and anemic,” London says. Besides lacking flavor, saltless bread would also have different texture, density and other characteristics as a result of its altered chemistry, London tells me.
In food scientist Shirley O. Corriher’s “CookWise: The Hows and Whys of Successful Cooking,” she writes that even the minimal salt used in baking — as little as one-third of a teaspoon per cup of flour — plays four crucial roles in the development of dough: It enhances flavor, controls bacteria, slows yeast activity and strengthens dough by tightening gluten.
“The small amounts we are dealing with … are not enough to add significantly to dietary salt intake,” Corriher writes.
And on and on and on. In short, it's simply impossible to cook without salt. This jackass doesn't know anything about the subject but thinks he knows everything he needs to because he's...an elected official and he cares.
You can say this is crazy and it will never pass (and you'll probably be right) but look at all the other insanity these people do pass (smoking bans, tans-fat bans, etc). Sure the exceptionally crazy one may get thrown out, or not, but it makes the next limitation on freedom and choice look moderately sane by comparison and a bit easier to pass.
It's time we kick these nosy bastards out of office and fire at least half of their bureaucratic enforcers.
Life is a dangerous thing and it will end in death. No amount of government intrusion into our lives is going to change that, we should stop pretending otherwise.
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Posted by: Sgt. Hulka at March 11, 2010 07:14 AM (Hvg2O)
Um .. it's simply impossible to live without salt. If Felix Ortiz wants to put this statement to the test; however, I'm all for it.
Posted by: Warden at March 11, 2010 07:15 AM (XGvLe)
Posted by: Mord at March 11, 2010 07:16 AM (tTj19)
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (KXhmI)
Posted by: The Drizzle at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (qLprR)
"I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,”
The goddamn sonofabitch tyrant bastard cocksucker admits that he already has the solution to the problem in hand. But the rest of us need the govt to enforce that solution for us.
Posted by: pendejo grande at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (/QglT)
Posted by: PJ at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (pizFh)
Move them all to NYC. That way they can control and regulate their ilk to death.
How about Detroit, NYC can still be saved.
Posted by: Naan at March 11, 2010 07:17 AM (j5MTj)
Posted by: markytom at March 11, 2010 07:18 AM (XmsnQ)
Posted by: Lunatic Fringe at March 11, 2010 07:18 AM (XqlB/)
Posted by: pendejo grande at March 11, 2010 07:18 AM (/QglT)
Posted by: States Rights advocate at March 11, 2010 07:19 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: Y-not has lost 25 lbs without the nanny state's help at March 11, 2010 07:19 AM (Kn9r7)
He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.
As I said earlier today, that premis is absolute crap. The concensus from the modern studies that I have read after I had my heart attack was that salt has a negative impact of heart discease in only two instances. First if you have congestive heart failure already and second if you are "salt-sensitive" (most people are not).
I did an experiment when I first got out of the hospital in which I took blood pressure readings hourly all day long with a no salt diet. The next day I ate salt heavy stuff all day like potato chips etc. and took blood pressure readings hourly. There were no appreciable differences in blood pressure for the high salt diet vs the low salt diet.
In short, not only is this got an asshat, but he is a stupid and uneducated asshat as well.
Posted by: Vic at March 11, 2010 07:19 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: NaCl or bust at March 11, 2010 07:20 AM (/Ywwg)
Posted by: Antimatter at March 11, 2010 07:20 AM (gbCNS)
Posted by: SL City, Utah at March 11, 2010 07:20 AM (pUfK9)
Regulation-by-hunch. Welcome to the nanny state.
This reminds me of the late 1970s, when all car speedometer displays simultaneously adopted a max reading of 85 mph. When a Car & Driver columnist asked DOT what sort of research had been done before issuing this regulation, he got shrugs. It was just a hunch by some people who figured it would be safer.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 11, 2010 07:20 AM (2QFX4)
More people emigrate to Red States. Then they start voting for lib idiots, and convert the Red states into blue states.
FTFY
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 07:21 AM (KXhmI)
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 11:17 AM (KXhmI)
We're working hard on it, Tushar. Keep Hope Alive.
Posted by: Congress at March 11, 2010 07:22 AM (pUfK9)
Salt eh? I know, as a trial program, they should ban all salt used to de-ice roads. Not because its super corrosive to vehicles, because all of the runoff goes straight to the ocean, and the last thing we need is a salty ocean. Kids sometimes accidentally swallow sea water you know; don't want to risk hurting them.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:22 AM (3wYSZ)
I like it.
There are too many people who are perfectly fine with nanny-statism so long as it is somebody else's ox that's gored.
The more outrageous and absurd these cockholsters get, the better the chances that people begin to understand the implications of totalitarian government.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:23 AM (lBmZl)
Another food ban based on junk science.
So his dad died - he thinks - from excessive salt use? My family uses salt with abandon, just throwing salt on EVERYTHING even chocolate chip cookies, and none of us has high blood pressure.
So when I get elected to Congress, I'm going to introduce a bill that requires every U.S. citizen to meet their minimum daily salt requirement, so they can be healthy just like my family.
Because that's how we roll nowadays, it's all about projection and narcissism.
Posted by: kallisto at March 11, 2010 07:23 AM (+FkcS)
Posted by: Sen. Idiot Batardson (D)Insanity at March 11, 2010 07:23 AM (8/KZN)
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 07:23 AM (Kn9r7)
He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.
Even if this was true, and I highly doubt it, all you'd probably need to do to get rid of excess salt is to drink more. His father probably had an underlying condition unrelated to the salt.
Posted by: Troll Batrider from Warcraft III at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (9hSKh)
Keep off my fucking food, assholes!!!
You see? "Global warming" was just a diversion. They're after your fo-- - ...
... PEAK OIL!!!!
Posted by: FireHorse at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (cQyWA)
Posted by: maddogg at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (OlN4e)
3 I wonder when they are going to ban water?
Yeah...... you know what happens when when you store Hydrogen and Oxygen at the time???
HINDENBURGH!!????!!!Elventy!!!!!
Ban the water now...... our childrens lives are at stake.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (J5Hcw)
This mentality is pervasive. I met a neighbor last week who just moved into a corner house. The side street is a throughfare, a two lane with a moderate amount of traffic. I asked him how he liked the neighborhood.
"Could use some speed bumps."
He spends $200K on a house on a busy street, then wants the government to regulate everybody else so he can like it better.
Was I legally entitled to smack him?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (2QFX4)
FTFY
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 11:21 AM (KXhmI)
Indeed. We were not always a commie haven in WA state. Fucking Kalifornians. Ruin your own effed up state.
Posted by: Editor at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (pUfK9)
I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesnÂ’t have salt
And by I, he means you should too!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (pLTLS)
This does not go far enough. People will find other ways to raise their blood pressure and have heart attacks. We should also outlaw high BP, and make it illegal to have heart attacks.
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 07:24 AM (KXhmI)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 07:25 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: Sen. Idiot Bastardson (D)Insanity at March 11, 2010 07:25 AM (8/KZN)
29 I propose that we ban ingredients in cooking. Also that we ban petroleum products in gasoline, and the use of chemicals of any kind in manufacturing. If we can save just one life, even if it means the destruction of our entire civilization and the deaths of many millions more, it will be worth it.
That was the premise behind Steven Seagal's speech at the end of "On Deadly Ground".
Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 11, 2010 07:25 AM (9hSKh)
Ortiz's father got hypertension and died of a heart attack because he was ashamed of his idiot, moonbat son.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:25 AM (lBmZl)
Posted by: gomm at March 11, 2010 07:26 AM (Ibk1S)
OK, now I'm fcuking pissed! If salt (a natural muthafcuking element) is bad, then what the fcuk fcuk fcukity fcuk with the fcukbag of fcuking futility and fcuked up fcukheadedness are we gonna fcuking cook and fcuing flavor our fcuking food with?
Fcuk this Demolition Man booshit! Fcuk it and the lifeless society they want to create with the skyfcuked treecock of fcuking flavorlessness and flan. What the fcuk is fcuking next? Will we have to wipe our asses with the three fcuking shells? Food pellets as if we were fcuking hamsters?
Fcuk it! Molon muthafcuking labe and my fcuking food, muthafcukers!
Posted by: eddiebear at March 11, 2010 07:26 AM (wnU1W)
They do know that a lack of salt is deadly right?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 07:26 AM (0q2P7)
30 -
Prosciutto is salt cured ham, and baccala is salt cured cod.
Just two entries from the Italian contingent. And Italians aren't exactly all keeling over from high blood pressure complications. It's all about the Mediterranean diet, right?
Posted by: kallisto at March 11, 2010 07:26 AM (+FkcS)
Is that not enough to prove his unsuitability for public life? Or does it mean he's the next Governor?
Posted by: lincolntf at March 11, 2010 07:27 AM (cGaVN)
Posted by: Reactionary at March 11, 2010 07:28 AM (xUM1Q)
We see the same shit with people whose houses are on airport flight paths and cost substantially less because of that fact. As soon as they move in, they start agitating for noise abatement controls.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:28 AM (lBmZl)
More people emigrate to Red States. Then they start voting for lib idiots, and convert the Red states into blue states.
Sad but mostly true.
Posted by: Darth Randall at March 11, 2010 07:28 AM (oLULt)
Posted by: Otis Mathis at March 11, 2010 07:28 AM (8/KZN)
This measure, or something like it, is going to pass. Mark my words. I've always believed wholeheartedly in the stupidity and masochism of my fellow New Yorkers and I have yet to be disappointed even once.
I was having a conversation about this the other night with a random dude in a bar (along with a bunch of other inane topics). He thought it was great. "I mean, we can always add more salt to our food, right? People hated the smoking ban when that started, but we all love it now, right?"
On the bright side, he was originally from Texas, and just loved New York (though he couldn't figure out why it was so much cheaper in Texas). To the great people of Texas: congratulations, the migration isn't only one way. You lost an idiot.
Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (8uZ8A)
Posted by: Antimatter at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (gbCNS)
Congress needs to act now.
NO MORE OXIDANE IN OUR FOOD PRODUCTS!!!!11!11
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (0q2P7)
Can I still throw salt over my shoulder!
Posted by: a superstitious guy at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 11:22 AM (3wYSZ)
dudeinsantacruz, you think you are just being funny. But they are one step ahead of you. They really tried to ban road salting because the salt ends up in the fookin Puget Sound.
Posted by: Tushar at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (KXhmI)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 07:29 AM (mR7mk)
My father used to go get his hair cut regularly, and one time the barber nicked his ear with the scissors. He said that he didn't even feel it because those scissors are kept sharp but later on in life he developed significant hearing loss.
Posted by: Felix "Dumbass" Ortiz at March 11, 2010 07:30 AM (aVzyR)
We see the same shit with people whose houses are on airport flight paths and cost substantially less because of that fact. As soon as they move in, they start agitating for noise abatement controls.
Hit them over the head with a muffler. That will abate their noise.
Posted by: maddogg at March 11, 2010 07:30 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: kallisto at March 11, 2010 07:30 AM (+FkcS)
An Administration of Negative Liberties.
Posted by: lincolntf at March 11, 2010 07:30 AM (cGaVN)
wonder is he knows there is (miniscule, but it's there) salt in tap water?
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:30 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 07:31 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: dogfish at March 11, 2010 07:31 AM (H4okq)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 07:31 AM (p302b)
Hit them over the head with a muffler. That will abate their noise.
Fuck that.
Maybe if that muffler is filled with concrete, first. . .
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:31 AM (lBmZl)
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 11, 2010 07:31 AM (flcpl)
If they can't use it in the kitchen, why does he think it will be out on the tables?
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 07:32 AM (mR7mk)
Who cares? It's New York, home of the brain dead leftard. Let them eat Gerber....
Exactly. New York deserves to wallow in the filth of their own creation.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 07:32 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: lincolntf at March 11, 2010 11:30 AM (cGaVN)
Don't forget about your no campfire and no shitting in the woods after your no smores.
Posted by: Editor at March 11, 2010 07:32 AM (pUfK9)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 11, 2010 07:32 AM (l8ewd)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 07:33 AM (p302b)
I think we need term limits the Vince Flynn way.
Posted by: Jack at March 11, 2010 07:33 AM (bvDV5)
dudeinsantacruz, you think you are just being funny. But they are one step ahead of you. They really tried to ban road salting because the salt ends up in the fookin Puget Sound.
um. they suck balls.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:33 AM (3wYSZ)
Trapped in Blue State Hell...
Posted by: schneedoo at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (f6+Gp)
Ortiz admits that prior to introducing the bill he did not research saltÂ’s role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his billÂ’s ramifications for the restaurant industry.
Even the most rudimentary research on his part would have revealed the integral role salt plays in cooking and the fact that a legislator would even consider banning something like salt without doing that research is infuriating.
Like I said on twitter, it's probably safe to assume this guy has never cooked anything, ever.
Posted by: Slublog at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (qjKko)
What about salty language? Can we ban that too?
Posted by: Massa Staffa at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (GwPRU)
Posted by: Bitsko at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (8/KZN)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Purveyor of Fine Meteors at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (erIg9)
Posted by: kids playing in the yard at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Milton Waddams at March 11, 2010 07:34 AM (z4es9)
We see the same shit with people whose houses are on airport flight paths and cost substantially less because of that fact. As soon as they move in, they start agitating for noise abatement controls.
I always wished I could show up for one of those hearings. I'd enter into the record a) the year jet flights began at the airport in question, and b) the date each of the complainers purchased his house.
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at March 11, 2010 07:35 AM (2QFX4)
Posted by: PaleRider at March 11, 2010 07:35 AM (WTE2S)
I'd actually love to see this get some legs. Not a lot, but just some leggage. Just enough to push NYC streetcorner pretzel vendors into demonstrations.
Saltbaggers.
Posted by: reason at March 11, 2010 07:35 AM (+hPIb)
Posted by: Milton Waddams at March 11, 2010 07:36 AM (z4es9)
Tell that to Alex Jones and (crazy) co.For the New World Order, a world government is just the beginning. Once in place they can engage their plan to exterminate 80% of the world's population, while enabling the "elites" to live forever with the aid of advanced technology. For the first time, crusading filmmaker ALEX JONES reveals their secret plan for humanity's extermination: Operation ENDGAME.
Posted by: whatever at March 11, 2010 07:36 AM (rGla2)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 11, 2010 07:36 AM (b0Og1)
Good point. I was operating from the NaCl perspective, when in fact there are many more forms of salt. Notably NaNO2, the magic chemical that makes Bacon, sausage, hot dogs, pastrami, bologna, most beef jerky, salami, ham, and many many more glorious cured meats. Let's not forget NaNO2's bigger brother NaNO3 the chemical responsible for pepperoni. No cured/smoked meats? They really are just asking begging for torches and pitchforks.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 07:36 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: kids playing in the yard at March 11, 2010 11:34 AM (Vu6sl)
Diluted ammonia is more fun.
Posted by: Editor at March 11, 2010 07:37 AM (pUfK9)
It's not a question of being natural. The problem with sodium is that if you have an excess, then it acts to create a potassium imbalance. Normally potassium levels are high within cells, but there's a Na-K channel that moves the two ions back and forth. If these channels get messed up, it affects muscle and nerve function.
Healthy people's physiology allows them to regulate these things, so they can handle occasional spikes in "salt" (just like healthy people can handle spikes in dietary sugar that would kill a diabetic).
If you are a person who needs a special diet, maybe you should be cooking for yourself at home and not eating out. Or are the Ds saying we have a constitutional right to eat out?
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 07:37 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Hamilton Burger at March 11, 2010 07:37 AM (UmOcE)
I'll bet that idiot Ortiz doesn't even know that the only way to catch a bird is to sprinkle salt on its tail.
Posted by: Tinian at March 11, 2010 07:37 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Milton Waddams at March 11, 2010 11:34 AM (z4es9)
Burn, baby burn. Disco inferno!
Posted by: Editor at March 11, 2010 07:38 AM (pUfK9)
You could eliminate a lot of the recordkeeping hassle for "b" if you include c) the date the house was built.
No kidding.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:38 AM (lBmZl)
Hey hey hey. Were trying to watch the amount of aluminum in our diet here.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 07:38 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: One of many snails at March 11, 2010 07:38 AM (pOOCt)
Posted by: GarandFan at March 11, 2010 07:38 AM (6mwMs)
Posted by: Sue at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (RybmS)
Sure, but Italians are not a protected class. We need to find some ethnic cuisine that relies heavily on salt from a more colorful group of people.
I guess soy sauce would fit the bill.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: maddogg at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Greg at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (PgC12)
Eh.. throw enough shit against the wall somethings gotta stick
Posted by: shit slinger at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (pr+up)
It causes fatalities from inhalation, injection, ingestion, and immersion as well as being a significant complicating factor in driving, home ownership, weather patterns and damn near everything else.
Mythbusters says the whole frozen dihydrogen monoxide bullet thing doesn't work though, so there's at least one aspect that is over the top.
Bing it.
Posted by: Al at March 11, 2010 07:39 AM (0lyUI)
Ortiz Obama admits that prior to introducing the bill ObamaCare he did not research saltÂ’s Heath Care's role in food chemistry, its effect on flavor or his billÂ’s ObamaCare's ramifications for the restaurant industry entire American economy.
FIFY
Posted by: conscious and fixing things at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (Vu6sl)
Or are the Ds saying we have a constitutional right to eat out?
I pwomise you I've never eaten out.
Posted by: Bawny Fwank at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (7+pP9)
Or asking the waiter how the food is prepared and then ordering something suitable, like the piece of shit who proposed the bill does.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (ALoxL)
Salt eh? I know, as a trial program, they should ban all salt used to de-ice roads. Not because its super corrosive to vehicles, because all of the runoff goes straight to the ocean, and the last thing we need is a salty ocean. Kids sometimes accidentally swallow sea water you know; don't want to risk hurting them.
We already did that only it was to save the salmon. We heart the fish, kids, not so much.
Posted by: Former Seattle Mayor, Greg Nickels at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: rawmuse at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (f8RLN)
If you ban salt whatever will I do with my wife?
Posted by: Lot at March 11, 2010 11:25 AM (m2CN7)
Problem that. I understand she's a pillar of society.
Posted by: HH at March 11, 2010 07:40 AM (GkYyh)
Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 07:42 AM (ALoxL)
"Or are the Ds saying we have a constitutional right to eat out? "
That was the basis for the smoking ban.
Posted by: IIRC at March 11, 2010 07:42 AM (ucq49)
He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.
That sentence implies that his father was salting his own food. What's to stop people from bringing their own salt shakers to restaurants and salting unsalted food? This tool is a complete idiot!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:42 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Sodium at March 11, 2010 07:42 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: kansas at March 11, 2010 07:43 AM (34yXu)
Of course, we all know how good they are for your innards!!
Posted by: Dell at March 11, 2010 07:44 AM (wQfCF)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 07:44 AM (0GFWk)
Maybe the Tea Party Movement can do some good in NY?
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 11, 2010 07:45 AM (flcpl)
Posted by: Democrats. at March 11, 2010 07:45 AM (tTj19)
In actuality there are two major causes of high blood pressure and neither one of them is under control of the individual. Those are age and heredity.
Other causes that are under control are weight, smoking, and exercise. I suspect Mr. Ortez the elder was overweight, smoked, and got little exercise.
I suspect that the younger Mr. Ortez, even with his stupid no salt diet will also develope high blood pressure and have a heart attack because he is stupid and thinks DCing the salt will save him.
Posted by: Vic at March 11, 2010 07:45 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 07:46 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:46 AM (3wYSZ)
Absolutely! We should ban Sphygmomaneters! That way people won't know they have high blood pressure. If they knew they had high b.p., it would stress them out and make their pressure go higher. Ignorance is bliss!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:46 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Ferd Berfall at March 11, 2010 07:46 AM (SZy+Y)
Hey, do you know how many people die each year as a result of being born? We have to get out in front of this problem right fucking now! Forced abortions for everyone! Save the children!
Posted by: Voluntary Human Extinction Project at March 11, 2010 07:46 AM (8/KZN)
That sentence implies that his father was salting his own food. What's to stop people from bringing their own salt shakers to restaurants and salting unsalted food? This tool is a complete idiot!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 11:42 AM (CfmlF)
Brown bagging will take on a whole new meaning.
Posted by: conscious and smuggling salt into restaurants at March 11, 2010 07:47 AM (Vu6sl)
Indeed. We were not always a commie haven in WA state. Fucking Kalifornians. Ruin your own effed up state.
Yup, the influx of those bastards raised our housing prices in the 90's when we bought our house!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:47 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 07:47 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Mike Hunt at March 11, 2010 07:47 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: a genius from the 1920's at March 11, 2010 07:48 AM (Vu6sl)
That sentence implies that his father was salting his own food. What's to stop people from bringing their own salt shakers to restaurants and salting unsalted food? This tool is a complete idiot!
They'll open up new establishments. They'll be called Shake-Easys.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:48 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: Big Pepper And Big Mustard at March 11, 2010 07:48 AM (wnU1W)
Posted by: kansas at March 11, 2010 07:48 AM (34yXu)
We see the same shit with people whose houses are on airport flight paths and cost substantially less because of that fact. As soon as they move in, they start agitating for noise abatement controls.
One of my peeves is the giant walls that have sprung up everywhere protecting houses along highways from noise. My fucking tax dollars at work - paying for the delicate ears of retards stupid enough to buy houses next to busy highways.
Posted by: Antimatter at March 11, 2010 07:49 AM (gbCNS)
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 07:49 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 07:49 AM (p302b)
When the sodium levels in your blood become too low, excess water enters your cells and causes them to swell. Swelling in your brain is especially dangerous because the brain is confined by your skull and unable to expand.
Hyponatremia signs and symptoms may include:
* Nausea and vomiting
* Headache
* Confusion
* Lethargy
* Fatigue
* Appetite loss
* Restlessness and irritability
* Muscle weakness, spasms or cramps
* Seizures
* Decreased consciousness or coma
Posted by: IANAD at March 11, 2010 07:49 AM (aVzyR)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 11:47 AM (p302b)
Meechelle's kids?
Posted by: conscious and worried about the kids at March 11, 2010 07:50 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Eric Massa at March 11, 2010 07:50 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: kansas at March 11, 2010 07:50 AM (34yXu)
that Soilent Green will become acceptable food. And yes, it is
a part of Obamacare.
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Posted by: Big Relish at March 11, 2010 07:52 AM (AZGON)
"Mike Hunt"
*snicker*
Does Mike Hunt have a constitutional right to eat out? Mike Hunt demands to know!
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Posted by: Penfold at March 11, 2010 07:53 AM (1PeEC)
Hey, if we eliminated all of the laws that were written from a position of profound ignorance we wouldn't have 98% of the laws on the books.
Sounds good to me.
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Can you say "shoulder thing that goes up"?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 11, 2010 07:53 AM (I/MqP)
That's how it's pronounced, but it's spelled B-A-R-R-E-L S-H-R-O-U-D.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 07:55 AM (lBmZl)
Posted by: Bitsko at March 11, 2010 07:55 AM (8/KZN)
Was it written for him and handed to him? by Whom? And, who will this benefit?
As soon as this legislation passes, all the aggrieved minority groups can start filing suit against Morton's for their payday. Salt is racist and shit, yo.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 07:55 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: the Salt Water Fish Organization at March 11, 2010 07:56 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Buster Hymand at March 11, 2010 07:56 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: wherestherum at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (gofDd)
175 Great. All of you smart-asses giving the left more ideas. Don't you know they're too stupid to know what sarcasm is? Wouldn't be surprised to see half of your suggestions become law within a year
...
I know! Let's enforce the rules about illegal residents! Because they are the ones who do the high salt cooking.
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (ALoxL)
It seems like a lot of people who want to ban things like smoking and salt want to legalize things like recreational drugs and prostitution. The party that purports to be "for the people" and free speech, is the party that imposes the most government restrictions and squelches any dissent. Interesting.
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (CfmlF)
Was it written for him and handed to him? by Whom? And, who will this benefit?
As soon as this legislation passes, all the aggrieved minority groups can start filing suit against Morton's for their payday. Salt is racist and shit, yo.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 11:55 AM (fx8sm)
I guess they should re-think their slogan, "When it rains, it pours"
Posted by: a former marketing firm representing Morton Salt at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (Vu6sl)
"Hey dude, I'm looking to score a dime of shake, know where I can get some"
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Big Fresh Water in Bottles at March 11, 2010 07:57 AM (AZGON)
No truth to the rumor that police are looking to question salt.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 11:56 AM (Kn9r7)
Was he a-salted?
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (xxgag)
Posted by: Luca Brasi at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (YmPwQ)
"I mean, they do realize at one point in time salt..."
Hence the derogatory expression," he was worth his salt."
Posted by: those were the days at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (CfmlF)
any word from John Kerry Heinz and friends?
senior citizens at the senior center in Mahopac, New York. They had to organize a picket to demonstrate the seizure of their free donuts. Apparently, caregivers there think that the seniors cannot make their own decisions regarding nutrition and a healthy diet.
Them, now; your salt next?
deb-schlussel site
Posted by: willow at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (7FgWm)
Posted by: NaCl President at March 11, 2010 07:58 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 07:59 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: Chris Matthews at March 11, 2010 07:59 AM (UDyoN)
Posted by: wherestherum at March 11, 2010 11:57 AM (gofDd)
I don't see a problem with that!
Posted by: Barack Hussein Fn' Obama at March 11, 2010 07:59 AM (Vu6sl)
Did you see the Aykroyd/Hanks movie, Dragnet, from 1987?
The bad guys in the movie were an organization called PAGAN. That was an acronym for "People Against Goodness And Normalcy."
This pretty much sums up the left for me: If it's good, they're against it; if it's bad, they're for it.
Posted by: MikeO at March 11, 2010 08:00 AM (lBmZl)
Posted by: Jim Jones at March 11, 2010 08:01 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Bitsko at March 11, 2010 11:55 AM (8/KZN)
One thing for certain, there is no bottom to sanctimonious crazy. You can just go deeper and deeper and deeper . . . . .
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 11, 2010 08:01 AM (xxgag)
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 08:01 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: Big Twinkie at March 11, 2010 08:02 AM (AZGON)
I can only imagine the economic harm that this bill would cause if it was passed. All kinds of food establishments would go out of business either because of the drop in business or the inability to comply with draconian gubamint standards.
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 08:02 AM (CfmlF)
I, for one, am planning on changing my surname to Wang.
Posted by: Wang-not, formerly Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:02 AM (Kn9r7)
We are all Amish now!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 08:02 AM (CfmlF)
Mr. Ortiz, your father didn't die from too much salt. He died because he raised a whiny little pussy who thinks he knows how to run everyone's life. It was the shame of having raised a Democrat that killed him.
If you kill yourself, Mr. Ortiz, your father will love you.
Posted by: Rob Crawford at March 11, 2010 08:03 AM (ZJ/un)
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Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at March 11, 2010 08:03 AM (Lq9ag)
Philly, besides proposing the silly soda tax (which is going over like a lead balloon), has mandated that schools stop selling soda. Instead, they must sell water or fruit juice, most of which has as much or more sugar than a soda.
Posted by: Luca Brasi at March 11, 2010 08:03 AM (YmPwQ)
If'n it were for eating salt we wouldn't have some of our deeper mineshafts.* Which means that we couldn't have a colony with 10 females (of a highly stimulating nature) to every male in it. then the apocolypse would happen. that would suck.
*i might be wrong, don't correct me or i'll report you to the salt police
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 08:04 AM (3wYSZ)
Sir, Mister Rob Crawford,
If I am a whinny, little, sweaty pussy then you can just "eat me" !!!!!
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Posted by: Fortunate Son at March 11, 2010 08:05 AM (trlZM)
lol. Very true about fruit juice. That was one of the first things we were told to reduce in our diets when Mr. Y-not's sugar was high.
Plus, I thought bottled water was bad for Gaia. What's up with that?
Posted by: Wang-not, formerly Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:05 AM (Kn9r7)
These are the same assholes that told us to drink bottled water 20 years ago because tap water wasn't safe.
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 08:06 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: willow at March 11, 2010 08:07 AM (7FgWm)
Locusts. They devastate a place, then move on when there's nothing left to feed on, then devastate the next place, and so on.
Posted by: davidt at March 11, 2010 08:07 AM (ikYqG)
Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 11, 2010 08:07 AM (a/mnj)
This could be good for New Jersey. Can you imagine if all the restaurants pulled out of NYC and moved across the Hudson? Newark could have a renaissance!
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 08:07 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: rumcrook™ at March 11, 2010 08:07 AM (60WiD)
All your salt are belong to us!
Posted by: New York Legislature at March 11, 2010 08:08 AM (Vu6sl)
OF A RESTAURANT IN THIS STATE SHALL USE SALT IN ANY FORM IN THE PREPARA-
TION OF ANY FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION BY CUSTOMERS OF SUCH RESTAURANT,
INCLUDING FOOD PREPARED TO BE CONSUMED ON THE PREMISES OF SUCH RESTAU- RANT OR OFF OF SUCH PREMISES.
WHENEVER THE COURT SHALL DETERMINE THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS
SECTION HAS OCCURRED, THE COURT MAY IMPOSE A CIVIL PENALTY OF NOT MORE
THAN ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR EACH VIOLATION. EACH USE OF SALT IN
VIOLATION OF THIS SECTION SHALL CONSTITUTE A SEPARATE VIOLATION.
Well, that seems like a reasonable prohibition to me.
And the penalty?
Entirely proportionate.
Posted by: Felix "Dumbass" Ortiz at March 11, 2010 08:08 AM (aVzyR)
Posted by: Wang-not, formerly Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (Kn9r7)
the salt of the earth,
a grain of salt
a pinch of salt,
throw salt over your shoulder,
What the hell will we do with all these terms once salt is out?
we will scrabble around in our brains for more p.c terms!
Posted by: willow at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (7FgWm)
Hey , they already do that in the UK.
When does the shootin' start ?
Posted by: awkward davies at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (wb68R)
Some kids are into a dangerous new drug Sodium Chloride; A coarse to fine white powder with no odor. Commonly referred to by it's street name Salt, it also goes by the names, Sea Dust, Tear dust, Shake, Fries Friend, and Dry ocean. Keep an eye out for this dangerous drug with your children and their friends and prevent your kids from developing a Sodium Chloride addiction that could be deadly.
Up next how to safely shoot up heroine.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Wang-not, formerly Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (Kn9r7)
just the thing i need to hear during coffee...
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Posted by: harleycowboy at March 11, 2010 08:11 AM (JKGfQ)
Snickers ok with an emetic
Posted by: Wang-not, formerly Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:12 AM (Kn9r7)
So instead of making FOOD for customers...why not claim that their restaraunt is now an....oh, I don't know...art gallery? And they are selling to their clintele sculpture made from found natural objects? Once the client has purchased his sculpture, he is certainly within his right to do whatever he pleases, including eating it.
There is no FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION there that has been made using salt. Only artwork.
See? I can go full-libtard, too.
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Posted by: lady saying silly stuff cuz she's bored at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (a/mnj)
Posted by: Cheryl Wray and Spinderella at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (Kn9r7)
1. Make heart disease illegal.
2. Ban death (just like firearms).
3. Perfect Human Nature through the tax code (Brookings Institution's groundbreaking study! It's neat, kids!).
Posted by: Grant at March 11, 2010 08:16 AM (x+Vy+)
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Posted by: WANG COMPUTERS at March 11, 2010 08:17 AM (+hPIb)
This could be good for New Jersey. Can you imagine if all the restaurants pulled out of NYC and moved across the Hudson? Newark could have a renaissance!
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 12:07 PM (fx8sm)
Dang...Newark has already had a renaissance in the Iron bound section of the city..at least. Its really nice now w/affordable Condo's & refurbed brownstones etc. lots of shopping too. If you're ever in the area check out all the awesome Potuguese & Italian restaraunts just north of the airport. (while they still have salt)
Posted by: dananjcon at March 11, 2010 08:17 AM (pr+up)
My dad has a story about state nursing home regulators who tried to ding the local facility for serving bacon and eggs to one of his patients every morning for breakfast, since that could potentially "reduce the quality of life" with the cholesterol. Dad's point--the man was in his 90s, wife dead, kids dead or scattered, wheelchair-bound, limited eyesight, stuck in a home with no booze or loose women--bacon and eggs was about the only "quality of life" the poor guy had left. Let him enjoy breakfast.
And this would have been 20 years ago. I can only imagine how much worse it is now. Shut the place down if you find bacon on the premises...
There is too much fucking government.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: Stone Phillips at March 11, 2010 08:19 AM (xxgag)
Speaking of which, does Obamacare include dental?
I actually think it's bizarre that dental and vision coverage are split off from health insurance (not that there should be a law about it, but still).
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:19 AM (Kn9r7)
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Posted by: comatus at March 11, 2010 08:21 AM (/VEEI)
snip from the actual bill on the NYS Assy website:
1 Section 1. The general business law is amended by adding a new section
2 399-bbb to read as follows:
3 S 399-BBB. PROHIBITION ON SALT; RESTAURANTS. 1. NO OWNER OR OPERATOR
4 OF A RESTAURANT IN THIS STATE SHALL USE SALT IN ANY FORM IN THE PREPARA-
5 TION OF ANY FOOD FOR CONSUMPTION BY CUSTOMERS OF SUCH RESTAURANT,
6 INCLUDING FOOD PREPARED TO BE CONSUMED ON THE PREMISES OF SUCH RESTAU-
7 RANT OR OFF OF SUCH PREMISES.
Looks like a fucking ban to me, you lying crapweasle
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Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 11, 2010 08:24 AM (a/mnj)
Evolution WILL rectify the Ortiz effect, the only drawback being the length of time necessary. Hopefully cognizant beings can survive the interim.
Posted by: irongrampa at March 11, 2010 08:25 AM (ud5dN)
Irony.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 08:29 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: evil libertarian at March 11, 2010 08:32 AM (HsYFw)
Because we are safe.
Posted by: SugarActually, one of my old friends is a D pol in Montgomery County, MD. There's lots of traffic from his constituents about banning sugar on his Facebook page. Don't worry, they'll get to you, too, my friend.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:32 AM (Kn9r7)
He tells me he was prompted to introduce the bill because his father used salt excessively for many years, developed high blood pressure and had a heart attack.
I've been forced to listen and live among liberals for nearly 28 years, and I've since developed high blood pressure and high taxes. I propose we ban liberals for everyone's welfare.
Posted by: RedChicago at March 11, 2010 08:34 AM (XQc/c)
Posted by: Dr. Amy Bishop at March 11, 2010 08:39 AM (5I0Yr)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 11, 2010 08:47 AM (0q2P7)
I wonder if this guy knows his bill would make it impossible to serve eggplant?
And why would you want to serve eggplant, unless you're a racist? Italians use their word for eggplant as a racial slur. I know, I saw True Romance.
Posted by: Luca Brasi at March 11, 2010 08:47 AM (YmPwQ)
Also by decree -- all peoples shall wear purple underwear on Wednesdays; they shall wear them on the outside so this rule may be enforced!
Don't eat salt! Bad for you. Don't eat fat! Bad for you. Don't eat sugar! Bad for you. Don't eat red meat, processed foods....! Bad for you. Eventually all that will be left will be oatmeal gruel -- thin, watery, unsalted, unsugared, unbuttered oatmeal gruel...and then people will be too malnourished and tired to create chaos.
Posted by: unknown jane at March 11, 2010 08:51 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Jagger/Richards at March 11, 2010 08:51 AM (3+i38)
I'd be satisfied if we just wired their jaws shut.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 08:58 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: NotAMolly at March 11, 2010 09:13 AM (ADJFU)
Posted by: sTevo at March 11, 2010 09:21 AM (GQr0D)
Wrong.
As someone on a low sodium diet, I can assure you it is very easy to cook without salt and have food which is extremely tasty. While salt does play certain other roles, it is essentially using as a seasoning. You simply find other seasonings that add flavor to your food. It's not that hard. There are all kinds of cookbooks and websites filled with salt-free recipes that are tasty.
I do understand his point while I disagree with his methods. The average person needs about 2000mg of sodium a day (one teaspoon of salt is about 2300mg.) The average American takes in about 8000mg of sodium a day. Most of that is hidden in food we eat that we don't think of as having sodium. Start reading labels. You will be very surprised what you see.
Posted by: Steve L. at March 11, 2010 09:22 AM (Gkhxf)
Someone should put a cigarette out on this shitheel's forehead.
And then douse the wound with salt.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 11, 2010 09:25 AM (P33XN)
There's a difference between what the average person needs and what their physiology can safely tolerate. The fact remains that most people have no difficulty managing their sodium and potassium balance.
Most people "need" 20 minutes of exercise a day. Many people get more than that and many of those people wind up with exercise-related injuries. Should we dictate who can run marathons and how often?
My husband had a blood glucose problem which we got under control by taking responsibility for what we eat. Part of that involved reducing dinners out.
You have a right as a consumer to not be lied to about what you are buying, but I don't think you have a right to ask a Chinese restaurant to stop cooking with soy sauce and you certainly don't have a right to tell me I can't eat food prepared with salt.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 09:32 AM (Kn9r7)
Posted by: Riven Armor at March 11, 2010 09:38 AM (FSWOW)
Nowhere did I say or imply that. In fact, I stated that I disagreed with his methods. My entire point was that the notion that it's impossible to cook without salt is false.
Posted by: Steve L. at March 11, 2010 09:43 AM (Gkhxf)
There are a lot of traditional recipes involving using a crust of salt around meat, fish, and even potatoes during the cooking process.
In addition, salt is used in baking bread to enhance the formation of gluten. I'm sure there's a way around its use that people who have salt-intolerance can employ, but the use of salt is not simply for taste. There's chemistry involved. In fact, a professor at MIT teaches a course on the chemistry of cooking.
Posted by: Y-not at March 11, 2010 09:55 AM (Kn9r7)
It's a false choice!
Posted by: The Precedent at March 11, 2010 10:32 AM (l71WL)
Criticizing the banning of salt use for taste, texture, etc. is besides the point.
The point is one guy's father used salt excessively, and had some health issues. There may be other factors led to said health issues (for example, the other life style, excercise regime, and tons of other stuff). But due to just one guy's father, the whole of the state could be banned from using salt. Why, because that one guy is a law-maker.
The proposed bill will not likely pass, but that is besides the point, too.
Posted by: always right at March 11, 2010 10:42 AM (Wqfrr)
Posted by: Rodney at March 11, 2010 10:59 AM (XRIh6)
What do you think bottled water is? Evian is made by a guy named Luigi Scarboni in Bayonne NJ with a garden hose.
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“I think salt should be banned in restaurants. I ask if a dish has salt in it, and if I does, I get something else that doesn’t have salt,” - Ortiz
Yeah, go ahead and send it back to the kitchen. Guaranteed you'll get a suitable 'replacement' ingredient that will be perfect for you...
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Wait, I thought in the end there would be only chaos.
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