March 11, 2010
— Ace AP's original reporting on Obama's remarks in Missouri:
Pelosi made her comments as Obama followed his campaign-reminiscent Pennsylvania trip of Monday with an appearance near St. Louis, pushing hard in the home stretch of the marathon battle to pass his signature domestic legislation.“The time for talk is over. It’s time to vote. It’s time to vote. Tired of talking about it,” he told the crowd.
But that won't help in a sales pitch! Makes him sound peevish and not engaged with the effort, and we can't have that.
So AP's later feed omits it:
In St. Charles, Mo., on Wednesday Obama shouted to a crowd: "The time for talk is over. It's time to vote."
Thanks, AP! You deserve a big box of chocolates for your devotion to your boyfriend.
AP writes:
It will come down to a phenomenal effort by congressional leaders and the White House to win over skittish lawmakers after a year of incendiary debate, even as Obama keeps up campaign-style appearances designed to fire up public support.
CentristNet notes:
It should be noted, as it was not by the AP, that this final dickering and deal making between Democrats done behind closed doors last night was without any transparency, punctuating a process of over a year of such backroom, closed door negotiations between Democrats regarding Obamacare. The AP apparently sees this backroom dealing and efforts to twist arms of reluctant House Democrats as “a phenomenal effort”, essentially playing the role of Obama Administration cheerleader instead of objective news organization.
Phenomenal effort, AP!
Meanwhile, via Allah's Twitter feed, serious nomentum-- 25 or more serious no votes are now tallied, reducing that pool of 38 potential new yes votes down to a small pool of 13 or less. And that doesn't even include Stupak's 12+ abortion nos.
More than two dozen Democrats are expected to vote against the healthcare reform bill that will hit the House floor in the coming weeks.At least 25 House Democrats will reject the healthcare reform legislation, according to a survey by The Hill, a review of other media reports and interviews with lawmakers, aides and lobbyists. Dozens of House Democrats are undecided or won't comment on their position on the measure.
The 25 opposed include firm no votes and members who are likely no votes. Most Democrats on The Hill's whip list are definitely going to vote no, but others, such as Reps. Lincoln Davis (Tenn.) and Harry Teague (N.M.), could vote yes.
However, The Hill has not yet put Democrats who are insisting on Rep. Bart Stupak's (D-Mich.) language on abortion in the no category.
It gets a little worse, tool as noted by Drew: Hispanic Representatives are now agitating for the fixes to include a more generous treatment of illegal immigrants, permitting them to buy into the "health care exchanges." And they say now they'll vote against a plan that doesn't include that.
This is over-speculating, but, if a bill is doomed anyway, then each Congressmen is freed up to make maximalist demands that will please his constituents -- it's cost free, after all. The bill is doomed, so there's no real cost as far as hurting its chances of passage; might as well show off for your partisans and special interests.
So the Hispanic caucus making an 11th hour demand might indicate they're all pretty convinced this is going to fail.
Correction: I wrote sloppily that they were saying this "now" and it's an "11th hour demand." That's not quite right -- they've always opposed the Senate's language.
What's new here is that the caucus has been quiet about this, until now.
Corrected Again: I forgot I saw the Hispanic thing right here on AoSHQ. I changed the post a little to refer to Drew's post and omit the duplicative quotes.
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Posted by: Associated Press at March 11, 2010 08:08 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: runninrebel at March 11, 2010 08:08 AM (i3PJU)
Posted by: dudeinsantacruz at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (3wYSZ)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 08:09 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Jollyroger at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (M2K1f)
Posted by: conscious and disgusted with ObamaCare at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (Vu6sl)
And for you Moronettes, it's still not time to start snogging each others vajayjays yet.
Posted by: David in San Diego at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (GF+6V)
Posted by: oh our biased media at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (ucq49)
Posted by: nickless at March 11, 2010 08:10 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 08:11 AM (0GFWk)
Posted by: Antimatter at March 11, 2010 08:11 AM (gbCNS)
Bwhahaha! Remember how Harry said he will be working on changing the filibuster next year? Time Magazine is reporting the following:
"No one remembers exactly when they started, but there is no doubt that the campaigns for Senate majority leader are raging on Capitol Hill. They have not been formally declared, of course, and for good reason — the position is still filled. But as Harry Reid's November re-election has looked increasingly imperiled, his two top deputies in the Senate have become more overt in their quests for his job. And in a Senate that is already near paralyzed by partisan rancor, the two Democrats' maneuverings are threatening to further gum up the works. (See TIME's video "Game Change: Why Harry Reid Said What He Said.")
Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, and New York's Chuck Schumer, who is No. 3, for several months have been trying to one up each other in wooing their colleagues. Schumer's speeches to the Democratic caucus are filled with shout-outs to all those whose hard work he appreciates. Durbin lavishes praise on a long list of contributing Senators on his bills. They both are racing from issue to issue — health care, jobs, filibusters — trying to position themselves as the next leader for the party....
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 08:11 AM (CfmlF)
And for you Moronettes, it's still not time to start snogging each others vajayjays yet.
Posted by: David in San Diego at March 11, 2010 12:10 PM (GF+6V)
Party poopers!
Posted by: Bawny Fwank and Rachel Madcow at March 11, 2010 08:12 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: AHFF Geoff at March 11, 2010 08:13 AM (5r0Tz)
And for you Moronettes, it's still not time to start snogging each others vajayjays yet.
We prefer vajazzling to snogging.
Posted by: Bejeweled and Bedecked Moronette at March 11, 2010 08:13 AM (CfmlF)
Posted by: GarandFan at March 11, 2010 08:13 AM (6mwMs)
"The Time for Talking is over"
Well then STFU, Barry! Geez!
Posted by: runningrn at March 11, 2010 12:07 PM (CfmlF)
Awesome, threadwinner.
Posted by: AHFF Geoff at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (5r0Tz)
Posted by: Twinks at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (wRPBa)
This disaster has been a back room deal from start to finish.
That's what that 7-hour "summit" was all about - 7 hours to give the media cover to give Obama cover.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: David in San Diego at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (GF+6V)
Unless there's a video feed.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (z4es9)
Posted by: Rahm Emmanuel's 5th percentile penis at March 11, 2010 08:14 AM (SgGTT)
Posted by: Dan Rather at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (gJV9g)
Posted by: Jean at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (aw1L9)
Posted by: kathysaysso at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (ZtwUX)
Posted by: maddogg at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 08:15 AM (AZGON)
Oh, and shocka, the CBO has determined that the Senate Bill will have less cost savings they originally thought:
CBO and JCT now estimate that, on balance, the direct (mandatory) spending and revenue effects of enacting H.R. 3590 as passed by the Senate would yield a net reduction in federal deficits of $118 billion over the 2010–2019 period. (Direct spending—as distinguished from discretionary spending—is spending that stems from legislation other than appropriation acts.) In our earlier estimate, the budgetary impact was a net reduction in deficits of $132 billion.
Posted by: Bejeweled and Bedecked Moronette at March 11, 2010 08:16 AM (CfmlF)
Tired of talking about it
Yeah, well we're tired of you talking about it too, fucktard.
It must be doomed and the "hispanic caucus" or mariachi band or whatever now want something for their vote.....My loser crazy lefty congressman isn't getting me shit for his vote. I would like something too.
Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 08:17 AM (ALoxL)
Posted by: Mord at March 11, 2010 08:17 AM (tTj19)
can't fund the linky now, but Robin Carnahan, who is running for MO Senate Seat, decided she had more pressing business elsewhere than be seen with Barry.
In a way, if Zero's numbers keep crashing, he'll be threatening wavering Dems that either they vote his way, or he shows up at their campaign rallies this fall, telling them, "Either you are with me, or you'll be seen with me."
Posted by: eddiebear at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (wnU1W)
Posted by: Fresh Air at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (gJV9g)
I just has a whole can of Slim Fast
I love the label, "drink ice cold"
They leave out, "drink ice cold or you will gag and vomit from the taste"
Posted by: dagny at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (ALoxL)
Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (AZGON)
This disaster has been a back room deal from start to finish.
That's what that 7-hour "summit" was all about - 7 hours to give the media cover time too suck everyones dick and to give Obama cover time to suck everyones dick.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at March 11, 2010 12:14 PM (0fzsA)
FIFY
Posted by: conscious and being realistic at March 11, 2010 08:18 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: Jack Meehoph at March 11, 2010 08:19 AM (SZy+Y)
Reminds me when Duncan Hunter II pulled a similar stunt involving the troops in Iraq. And when I use the word "stunt", I use it with love and appreciation. Too bad I'm stuck with "Mavericky" Bilbray instead of Duncan III.
Posted by: David in San Diego at March 11, 2010 08:19 AM (GF+6V)
Posted by: nevergiveup at March 11, 2010 08:20 AM (0GFWk)
1. Legislation they voted for that actually passed and became law.
2. Legislation they voted against that didn't pass.
3. Legislation that they fought like hell against, but passed anyway.
All of the other permutations are "game-able."
Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 11, 2010 08:20 AM (PonvG)
They told me electing Obama would restore bipatisanship to congress and they were right.
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 08:20 AM (Z+qzA)
I love the label, "drink ice cold"
They leave out, "drink ice cold or you will gag and vomit from the taste"
Being in the throes of starvation does help the taste, and the grit is satisfying too.
Posted by: maddogg at March 11, 2010 08:21 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: dave at large at March 11, 2010 08:21 AM (Yea17)
Posted by: rawmuse at March 11, 2010 08:23 AM (f8RLN)
EddieBear, there's a different take on Carnahan's no-show. Quite interesting.
Posted by: David in San Diego at March 11, 2010 08:23 AM (GF+6V)
I just read a new AP story saying that the CBO said the health care bill would reduce the deficit by $118 Billion. They forgot the part in the CBO report that said this is down from their previous report suggesting saving of $132 Billion and that the report also stated there would probably be another $70 Billion in costs bringing the deficit reduction down to $62 Billion.
They also missed the part that said the extra costs would actually be $670 Billion and the savings were generated by $437 Billion in cuts to Medicare and $240 Billion in new taxes.
I guess they were in a hurry.
Posted by: robtr at March 11, 2010 08:23 AM (fwSHf)
Oh, and the counterprotest in STL was overflowing and peaceful.
Posted by: eddiebear at March 11, 2010 08:24 AM (wnU1W)
I bet that's less than half the hit the state economy will take from people running to NJ, PA, VT, and Ontario for a decent-tasting meal.
(You can make up statistics to prove anything! 14% of everyone knows that!)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 11, 2010 08:25 AM (mR7mk)
Posted by: rawmuse at March 11, 2010 12:23 PM (f8RLN)
My thoughts
Posted by: conscious and being realistic at March 11, 2010 08:25 AM (Vu6sl)
Longest funeral eveh!
It's just risen from its grave and now walks the earth like a brain dead zombie hungry for flesh.
Posted by: Gary B at March 11, 2010 08:26 AM (1gWfF)
Posted by: eddiebear at March 11, 2010 08:26 AM (wnU1W)
Posted by: conscious "fucking Goldberg" at March 11, 2010 08:26 AM (Vu6sl)
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 11, 2010 08:27 AM (xxgag)
Posted by: Barry Obama at March 11, 2010 08:28 AM (+hPIb)
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 08:29 AM (Z+qzA)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 08:29 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: BILLY MAYS at March 11, 2010 08:30 AM (+hPIb)
Longest funeral eveh!
It's just risen from its grave and now walks the earth like a brain dead zombie hungry for flesh.
You can't kill me! Bwhahahaha!
Posted by: Bloodied, Bandaged Obama Care at March 11, 2010 08:31 AM (CfmlF)
it will save 32 billion dollars in health care costs? What do these jokers just make this shit up????
Gee ya think? I hope whoever is interviewing the turd called him out on where that number came from. But I doubt they did.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 08:31 AM (fx8sm)
Posted by: kelley in virginia at March 11, 2010 08:32 AM (Oan2w)
ObamaCare! Apply directly to the forehead!
ObamaCare! Apply directly to the forehead!
ObamaCare! Apply directly to the forehead!
ObamaCare! Apply directly to the forehead!
ObamaCare! Apply directly to the forehead!
Posted by: reason at March 11, 2010 08:32 AM (+hPIb)
Posted by: Jack Meehoph at March 11, 2010 08:34 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Mal at March 11, 2010 12:29 PM (Z+qzA)
Obama is the perfect liberal Democrat. He is full of self esteem and totally lacking in accomplishment. He has been affirmative actioned on every career step. He has a tremendous sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility. He has no religious or moral scruples that interfere with him achieving his goals. He is everything our education system is teaching our children they ought to be.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 11, 2010 08:34 AM (xxgag)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 08:34 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Barry Oblammo, Dem Extinction Project Coordinator at March 11, 2010 08:36 AM (8/KZN)
Sir,
Quit picking on us gay hamsters.... I am tired and this is not funny anymore. Wow... Wait a minute......Eric Massa has a nice ass for human.......
Posted by: The last remaining gay hamster at March 11, 2010 08:36 AM (SZy+Y)
"The Time for Talking is over"
That is another way of saying all I want is an up or down vote, or, end the fillabuster.
Funny how when repubs said that about Bush's judges they just yawned.
Posted by: Vic at March 11, 2010 08:38 AM (QrA9E)
Did anyone see any MSM coverage of the counter-protest to Barry that drew a coulpe thousand people in St. Louis yesterday?
OT - NPR this morning was spinning for the IPCC. About how the "review" the IPCC is doing (of itself) is just because of a few silly errors in their latest report, like the Himalayan Glacier meltdown, give those evil "skeptics" an opportunity to "find fault" with the whole AGW thing. First I've heard in the MSM about the review at all.
They have to be running out of fingers to plug those holes in that dike if you ask me.
Posted by: sherlock at March 11, 2010 08:38 AM (jdXw+)
Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 08:40 AM (p302b)
Posted by: KilltheHippies at March 11, 2010 08:41 AM (VKfXw)
Date-Rape Democrats just can't take "NO" for an answer.
You want it. You know you want it. You should be grateful for their attentions, because you're not that attractive a nation, anyway. You should just sit back and try to enjoy it, because you're getting it whether you want it or not.
Put it back in your pants, Barky.
"NO MEANS NO", Barky.
Posted by: FreeFall at March 11, 2010 08:41 AM (kDROf)
I agree with the President.
There has been too much stalling on this.
Lets have that final House vote on the Senate bill immediately. . .today, in fact.
So, he DID ask Nancy Pelosi to call for that vote, right?
Posted by: looking closely at March 11, 2010 08:46 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Mikey NTH at March 11, 2010 08:51 AM (O9Cc8)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 11, 2010 08:58 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: FPC at March 11, 2010 09:00 AM (aC6Za)
There are no "no" votes until there is actually a vote. Fox reported that there was a closed-door meeting (so much for transparency, huh?) with the Jackassocrat Congressional leaders. The plans for bribery, extortion, blackmail, and threats are being made.
I almost feel sorry for the Jackassocrat dumbasses in Congress. They will be destroyed if they do't agree to vote "yes".
Posted by: beedubya at March 11, 2010 09:02 AM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Rahm "Lumbergh" Emmanuel at March 11, 2010 09:05 AM (8/KZN)
"Obama Begins Final Sales Pitch, With Assist From AP"
Okay, is this the FINAL, final sales pitch, or just the Last one until the next one?
Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 11, 2010 09:09 AM (4Hy88)
He thinks votes can be bought and or intimidated. Ace's observation about the Hispanic caucus was right. They don't go out on a limb like this unless the legislation is dead or is so wildly popular that they can attach amendments to it to extract what they want.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 11, 2010 09:13 AM (T0NGe)
Star Date January 2013,
OK folks one more time "Up or Down Vote" from the remaining 5 Dems in the House and the 2 remaining Dems in the Senate. The time for talk is over we must vote now..... Wait a minute I am no longer POTUS, when did this Shit happen...Rahm, Houlder WTF..... do something........
Posted by: Barry Obama at March 11, 2010 09:21 AM (SZy+Y)
You know, for a guy who's never put in a full day of real work in his entire life, he sure does get exhausted an awful lot.
Try cutting back to three packs a day, Barry. And remember that countering with blow just to "feel normal" is a stage 4 substance problem.
Posted by: VJay at March 11, 2010 09:30 AM (gQ+XA)
Yo Monica, Break out the Blue Dress Sweet Lips. I smell IMPEACHMENT Baby:
Docs: Obama Justice Dept Shut Down Federal ACORN Probe into Corruption, Voter Registration Fraud.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 11, 2010 09:31 AM (SZy+Y)
Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at March 11, 2010 09:43 AM (v3pYe)
“The time for talk is over. It’s time to vote. It’s time to vote. Tired of talking about it,” he told the crowd.
We know the feeling, B. Hussein. We're tired of your ass.
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