1 See, this is why you reichwing nuts is teh stoopid.  What the president said was technically accurate.  The money used for the bailouts will not come from taxpayers.  It will instead be printed and shipped by wheelbarrow to the companies that need it.  Duh!

2
In related news.  Obama, Clinton Fundraiser admits $292 million Fraud.

3 And first, sucka!

4
Just like Stimulus and Heath care "reform" we must "Shut up",obey and swallow Obama's lies whole. 

5 O.K. But did he make himself "clear"?

6 Couldn't even spot us a reacharound. Sheesh.

7 whut ? ... the Illegal Alien lies ?! ....  GET  OUT !

8
Graham and McCain to fall for Obama's lies in 5...4...3...2...

9 As long as he's still black, everything's great, right?

10

"without regard to bankruptcy law".  then why the hell do we have laws?  

11 Lying?  The deuce you say.

Yeah, wake me up when he tells some truth.  Hell, that will need a flaming skull.

12
I was happy to hear Karl Rove in an interview yesterday on a local radio show say unequivocally that the birther nonsense was just that - nonsense, not true, and a complete waste of time and energy.  Word.

13

Is that provision unconstitutional on it's face? Isn't there something about the government may not spend money not appropriated by congress in there somewhere?

Can congress delegate that responsibility?

14 Obama is lying??? STFU!!!

15 Does it depend on what "is" is?

16 Uh... newsflash: Obama lies about EVERYTHING.

17 "They bring a knife, you bring a gun, thats the Chicago way." Its also Stalin's way.

18 His lips are moving, so yeah, he's lying.

19 I believe there is something embarrassing on his birth certificate, but there's more than one possibility as to what that is.  But his actions in the past year have been more important by a magnitude.

20
You'd think you guys would be saying thank you.

21 Like the thousand-page healthcare reform bill, the President apparently hasn't bothered to read the financial overhaul bill.

You mean the two thousand seven hundred page healthcare reform bill?

22
Never again will taxpayers be on the hook because a financial company is deemed 'too big to fail'."




Unless of course that company acts as a cash cow for Democrats or has a union workforce, then we will totally be on the hook for them, over and over again as long as they are in power.

23

15
I was happy to hear Karl Rove in an interview yesterday on a local radio show say unequivocally that the birther nonsense was just that - nonsense, not true, and a complete waste of time and energy.  Word.

Mea culpa ... I self-censure for not having faith in He Who will Not Reveal Any Real Data of his Past .... and of course the perpetually vilified Rove shall bear Witness of his Bona Fides

RINOPs desperately desire to be back in power, and cannot let the whiff of any absolutism or adherence to a non-living Constitution confuse the booboisie

"Yes, we are moderate, we're collegial, my colleagues are esteemed" ( male-impersonator Linda Graham come to mind ? If that doesn't work for you lets' try Mav, or Cornyn, or any of a host of 'nad-free supine apologists whose strategy is always to give ground lest they be seen to have principles other than self-serving accomodation

Word

 

24

"without regard to bankruptcy law".  then why the hell do we have laws?  

Posted by: kelley in virginia

We have laws, Kelley, so I can piss all over them.

25
I beleive I don't give a rat's butt about his birth certificate, and quite frankly I am sick as shit hearing about it. The issue is a distraction - even a planted distraction - a way to get people to behave in such a way as to discredit themselves and make it easier for democrats to do all sorts of underhanded/ corrupt maneuvers while we are all busy fighting about a silly issue of zero importance.

Score one for the democrats.

26 "Because they'll have delegated permanent bailout authority to a couple Executive Branch agencies."

Congress?  We don't need no stinking Congress!

27 beleive I don't give a rat's butt about his birth certificate, and quite frankly I am sick as shit hearing about it. The issue is a distraction - even a planted distraction

28 One term is all I need, bitches.

29 beleive I don't give a rat's butt about his birth certificate, and quite frankly I am sick as shit hearing about it. The issue is a distraction - even a planted distraction

And we appreciate you guys lapping that shit up.

30
Believe...  erk.

31

28
I beleive I don't give a rat's butt about his birth certificate, and quite frankly I am sick as shit hearing about it. The issue is a distraction - even a planted distraction - a way to get people to behave in such a way as to discredit themselves and make it easier for democrats to do all sorts of underhanded/ corrupt maneuvers while we are all busy fighting about a silly issue of zero importance.

Score one for the democrats.

Exactly   -  a score for the NSDWP.   Thanks for making my point.

32 well, maybe we shouldn't get rid of Congress, but wouldn't it be so nice to take a 2 or 3 year "time out" from them.?  after we de-fund everything of course.

33 then why the hell do we have laws?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 17, 2010 11:36 AM (bncoN)

This whole "nation of laws" thing you right-wing extremists are hung up on is, like, so eighteenth century.  Not to mention racist.

34 President Pants on Fire.  I like it.  If I had any photoshop skillz I'd do something with that. 

35
happy to help, David.  While we chase fantasies of fake birth certificates, the democrats are doing the nasty.  Good going!

36 It's not a lie, it's a hope-truth.

37

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 17, 2010 11:56 AM (bncoN)

Your hash is only a single letter away from being "bacon."  That is awesome!

38

"without regard to bankruptcy law".  then why the hell do we have laws?  

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 17, 2010 11:36 AM (bncoN)

For looks.

Authoritarian jackasses love nothing more than the selective enforcement of pretty laws.

39 Never again will taxpayers be on the hook because a financial company is deemed 'too big to fail'. I've heard that one before!

40 A 2/3 vote of some unelected but Obama-selected Financial Stability Oversight Council and the government can seize any financial or non-financial company -- in effect, any company at all -- and do whatever it wants with the company without reference to existing laws which establish rules on how to deal with an actually-insolvent company's shareholders and creditors? Wow. That sounds just great.

41

lying from him is not news. he lies everytime he opens his mouth. it's as natural to him as breathing. if he ever once told the truth, now there would be a big story.

42 happy to help, David.  While we chase fantasies of fake birth certificates, the democrats are doing the nasty.  Good going!

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 11:57 AM (0fzsA)

Trying to have Constitutional prescriptions enforced is not "chasing fantasies" and fake birth certificates have little to do with The Indonesian Imbecile's obvious ineligibility - as dual citizenship should have taken the retard out of the running from the very beginning.  But, that would be in a US that respected itself and its soveriegnty ...

43 I truly hope that in some back office of the national GOP HQ, somebody's keeping track of all of this shit that we're going to have to reverse. That alone will be a full time job for the first few years.

44

 Never again will taxpayers be on the hook because a financial company is deemed 'too big to fail'.

We are going to call them workers. The workers will be on the hook, because in the Socialist States of America, the workers are on the hook for everything, except of course those who are disadvantaged, they will get redistributions.

45
Oh fuck.

46 I'll let you find out everything about my background when it doesn't matter to me anymore. Deal with it, bitches.

47 So it's really a HeathCare/Student Loan/IRS expansion/Government Control/Bank Bailout bill, then. 

I guess opposing that would be the worst form of racism, wouldn't it?

48
I truly hope that in some back office of the national GOP HQ, somebody's keeping track of all of this shit that we're going to have to reverse. That alone will be a full time job for the first few years.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 17, 2010 12:03 PM (i3AsK)

Trouble is, in some back office of the National GOP instead of concentrating on strategy, somebody has probably hired a stripper and is trying to make it rain.

49
Hold breath/ don't hold breath moment?

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, is prepared to vote against a motion to proceed to the Democrats' financial regulatory reform bill if Senate Majority Leader Reid does not alter the bill to address GOP concerns, a spokesman said today.

If Reid "brings the partisan Senate Banking Committee bill to the floor next week, Senator Collins will vote against the motion to proceed," the spokesman said. "She remains hopeful that both sides can work together to reach a bipartisan compromise.

50

President Pants on Fire

David Brooks hardest hit.

51

I too could give a flying flip about his BC.

 

But you've got to wonder why someone like O-bummer would make such an effort to hide his entire pass? 

52 Embrace the suck , comrades .
Become one with the suck .

53 Why bother about this "Birther" question? The truth will come out after he's out of office (hopefully 1/21/13) anyway. In the meantime, energy and resources can be spent on better things, like denying him a Democratic Congress with their heads well up his rectum. If you believe he doesn't belong in office, then it behooves you to make sure he can't do any harm while he's there. If it does turn out that he was never eligible for the office of POTUS, then that fact can be used to keep the Dems out of office damn near forever (trust their judgment after they brought in a foreign "ringer"). IOW, use "Birtherism" as the final blow, not a wedge to open the door.

54 Ha! The GOP ain't gonna save your asses. They like power and money just as much as my D's. Your tears taste so good!

55 Pending financial regulation , Goldman Sachs fraud , now this ........... much more and a guy could get right cynical about stuff .

56

"without regard to bankruptcy law".  then why the hell do we have laws?  

Posted by: kelley in virginia at April 17, 2010 11:36 AM (bncoN)

Why, to keep the common peasants in line, obviously.  The laws aren't for nobility, you know.

57 Obama's birth certificate is fake...and fire has never melted steel.

58 Criminy Jickets! Isn't there just one Rep or Senator of the Dem party who is sufficiently disturbed by the incessant overreaching to speak out?

59 Criminy Jickets! Isn't there just one Rep or Senator of the Dem party who is sufficiently disturbed by the incessant overreaching to speak out? Posted by: Count de Monet Um, that would be no.

60 When he was over in Europe, I advised Barack to appear at a press conferences wearing tall bunny ears, instead of chimp ears, so that those wacky Europeans could better relate to him, but oh no, he disregarded my advice, choosing to go with the Democrat's theme of making a jackass out of himself, instead.

61 Because they'll have delegated permanent bailout authority to a couple Executive Branch agencies.

Deception, stealth and outright fraud. That's how a leftist regime achieves its ends.

62 >>>Why bother about this "Birther" question?

Because the Constitution is a sort-of serious kind of document?

>>>The truth will come out after he's out of office (hopefully 1/21/13) anyway. In the meantime, energy and resources can be spent on better things,

I see this argument all the time.  What "time and energy" are you talking about?  I am very much concerned with the Constitutional eligibility question and I also address the other issues of concern.  This "time and energy" argument is as weak as anything I have seen, yet it doesn't stop people from running with it.

>>>like denying him a Democratic Congress with their heads well up his rectum. If you believe he doesn't belong in office, then it behooves you to make sure he can't do any harm while he's there.

Having the Constitution upheld is worth more, but you don't seem to care about that.  Sad.

>>>If it does turn out that he was never eligible for the office of POTUS, then that fact can be used to keep the Dems out of office damn near forever (trust their judgment after they brought in a foreign "ringer"). IOW, use "Birtherism" as the final blow, not a wedge to open the door.

Posted by: Mike Giles at April 17, 2010 12:12 PM (PcRFJ)

Sorry, but your argument is a non-starter. You should be concerned with the Constitution being treated like toilet paper, first and foremost, because all the other problems flow from that.  Democrats who were actually constrained by the Constitution would not be very dangerous.  That is, of course, the whole point of the Constitution.  You seem to miss this obvious fact.

63 Michelle and I use the Constitution every day. I'm a "roll-over", she's a "roll-under".

64 Last time I checked, the Constitution said no monies may be drawn from the Treasury unless appropriations are made by law.  So does this mean the "law" basically opens up the wallet of the US Treasury to whatever their little hearts desire? 

Are they going to provide us with a "statement and account" of ALL public monies under this "law" as ordered by the Constitution - which they have chosen *not* to do with TARP? 

65 Criminy Jickets! Isn't there just one Rep or Senator of the Dem party who is sufficiently disturbed by the incessant overreaching to speak out?
Posted by: Count de Monet

Um, that would be no.

Posted by: Easy Bake at April 17, 2010 12:17 PM (fTJLU)

This Star Chamber approach to regulation is an anathema to a free society and culture founded on the rule of law.  Yes I had to look up anathema to make sure it meant what I thought it meant.  As the great philosopher Popeye once said, "I've had all I can stands, I can't stands no more!"

66 44

lying from him is not news. he lies everytime he opens his mouth. it's as natural to him as breathing. if he ever once told the truth, now there would be a big story.

 

It would be, to quote Sheriff Joe Biden, a big fucking deal.

67
Administration double speak:  See if you can catch it.
http://tinyurl.com/y44ungh

"....Collins has joined all 40 other GOP senators in signing a letter stating they "are united in our opposition to the partisan legislation reported by the Senate Banking Committee." Collins previously declined to agree to pledge to vote against a motion to proceed if Reid did not negotiate, causing removal of that portion of the GOP letter. She balked because she supported starting debate on the bill, according to a source.

Her move came as the Obama administration urged Senate Democrats to drop a $50 billion bank liquidation fund, according to the Associated Press. Republicans have attacked the fund as a recipe for continued bailouts of Wall Street firms.

A senior Treasury official said the administration does not support the fund and that it is unnecessary, according to the report. The bill would allow the FDIC to use the fund, which banks would have paid into, to pay for dismantling giant failing firms.

In their letter to Reid, all 41 Republicans called the fund a source of future bailouts."

68
Criminy Jickets! Isn't there just one Rep or Senator of the Dem party who is sufficiently disturbed by the incessant overreaching to speak out?
Posted by: Count de Monet

Um, that would be no.


All democrats campaign as moderates and then move sharply left when they get to DC.  All. of. them.

69
Get your waders. Democrat party now going full-on-lie and deceive.

Holy shit.

70
All democrats campaign as moderates and then move sharply left when they get to DC.  All. of. them.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 12:30 PM (0fzsA)

A lot of Republicans do the same thing.

71
Well, then since perfection isn't on the meme - I suggest you campaign for the democrats.

72
meme = menu.

73
Well, then since perfection isn't on the meme - I suggest you campaign for the democrats.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 12:36 PM (0fzsA)

I was talking along the lines of McLame, Voinabitch the two scrunts from Maine and Grahamnesty. If it werent for Olympia Snow letting the healthcare out of committee, the thing may have died out completely last fall. The one thing Obama has done that I'll tip my hat to him on is making that sack of shit Linseed look like an even bigger ass than he already is on his gas tax proposal.

74 meme = menu.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 12:36 PM (0fzsA)

I would add:

meme = non-word

I just had to say that, as I hate that ridiculous "meme" crap.  But, people have taken to "meme" the same way they use "dis".  It's pathetic.

75
Administration double speak.  "We don't need the fund!  but we will give you the fund anyway, even though it's a tax-payer funded giveaway.  But we don't need it."

76 It's not a bailout, if you don't call it one

77 It's not a bailout, if you don't call it one

Posted by: George Costanza, Chief Liberal Spin Artist at April 17, 2010 12:43 PM (rzJpR)

"It's not a 'bailout'.  It's a 'bailup'." -- The Indonesian Imbecile and Washington junta

78


O/T just read a story on Yahoo that said the volcano in Iceland shows no signs of ceasing its eruptions. Looks like Europe is getting ready to have another Dark Age.

79

"Because they'll have delegated permanent bailout authority to a couple Executive Branch agencies."

Is not to worry Comrade, all duly appointed apparatchik are being more equal than you, as they having graduated from proper university, not hick cow college like the Palin and Olberman. 

80

  13  "without regard to bankruptcy law".  then why the hell do we have laws?

  So you don't like these laws, well no problem cause we'll just make some more. And we can do that because we just make them up as we go along.

And chances are you will like something we cook up. We are here to serve the peoples. 

81

 Third, the bill gives the Fed the authority to fund any "program" to assist these institutions accepting as collateral anything it deems appropriate.

The libs howled that Bush was executive power grabbing. He did nothing, nothing in comparison to President Redistribution.

What concerns me the most about this is that usually the executive branch doesn't try to permanently fix powers into the exec branch and congress doesn't allow it because they know that the power will shift away from their party and to the other one.

President Redistribution and his comrads don't seem to think that the next president will be another redistributionist or there will be no other president.

There was a guy on Levin yesterday talking about how he saw the identical power grabs in Venezuela.

82 81 It will be interesting to see if this great cloud of ash/carbon warms or cools the earf.

83

This is a new low for even Mr. Obama Â…

BARBREE: Â…IÂ’m a little disturbed right now, Alex. I just found out some very disturbing news. The President came down here [Kennedy Space Center] in his campaign and told these 15,000 workers here at the Space Center that if they would vote for him, that he would protect their jobs. 9,000 of them are about to lose their job. He is speaking before 200, extra hundred people here today only. ItÂ’s invitation only. He has not invited a single space worker from this space port to attend. ItÂ’s only academics and other high officials from outside of the country. Not one of them is invited to hear the President of the United States, on their own space port, speak today. Back to you Alex.

Â… truly pathetic.

84

There was a guy on Levin yesterday talking about how he saw the identical power grabs in Venezuela.

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2010 12:55 PM (tKk4C)

The Precedent gave us all clear warning about what he was going to do when he supported Zelaya's attempted coup in Honduras - championing democracy over republic.  Pretty much everyone (save Jim DeMint and a very few others) let the Harvard retard slide on that and just ignored the seriousness of what he was supporting.

If Honduras had had just a little more tinfoil, Zelaya might even have been successful.

85 I can stop that volcano any time I want.

86
I was talking along the lines of McLame, Voinabitch the two scrunts from Maine and Grahamnesty. If it werent for Olympia Snow letting the healthcare out of committee, the thing may have died out completely last fall. The one thing Obama has done that I'll tip my hat to him on is making that sack of shit Linseed look like an even bigger ass than he already is on his gas tax proposal.

I hear you and share your frustration.  However, the democrats strategy of campaigning as moderate and then moving sharply hard left  after the election
is different that the Rino phenom.
For instance, Maine is a blue state, and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe represent blue districts.  Would you rather have a squishy republican or a full-on democrat? 
Where I agree with your frustration is with people like Graham and McCain.  What's there excuse?


Political reality isn't perfect. 

87
It will be interesting to see if this great cloud of ash/carbon warms or cools the earf.

Posted by: dagny at April 17, 2010 12:57 PM (tKk4C)

Not sure how much ash, carbon and sulphur the Icelandic volcano has spewed so far, but Pinatubo in the early nineties caused global temps to drop significantly worldwide and disrupt weather patterns for a few years.

88

"Because they'll have delegated permanent bailout authority to a couple Executive Branch agencies."

Hey, Jamie Gorelick's looking for her next gig, ya know?  She hasn't fucked the country in what, a year, or did she slip one by me?

89
Their excuse.. erk.

90

Can we get a Sidebar link to 'Moron Hockey'?

 

91 Would you rather have a squishy republican or a full-on democrat? Posted by: Lemon Kitten When there are enough squishy Republicans in office they might as well be Democrats. You end up with identical results.

92 Would you rather have a squishy republican or a full-on democrat?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten

Spector does less damage as a clearly labeled Democrat, if that answers your question.  And Spector should have taken Lady Lindsey with him.

93
I hear you and share your frustration.  However, the democrats strategy of campaigning as moderate and then moving sharply hard left  after the election
is different that the Rino phenom.
For instance, Maine is a blue state, and Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe represent blue districts.  Would you rather have a squishy republican or a full-on democrat? 
Where I agree with your frustration is with people like Graham and McCain.  What's there excuse?


Political reality isn't perfect. 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 01:02 PM (0fzsA)

The country is mostly conservative by nature which is why the Dems have to campaign as moderates in most places just to get their foot in the door. Snowe and Collins are about as good as a Republican your gonna get in the northeast I agree. Plus even those two have managed two unstuck themselves from stupid over the last few months. As far as Graham and Voinavich go, I believe folks like that live in the beltway bubble and are totally tone-deaf when it comes to gauging the sentiment of conservatives, Graham especially, he's going full retard now. They dont read blogs, they dont go to the Tea-Party's, they believe everything that WAPO, the NYT and the D.C. political journals are telling them.

94 Arizona to allow concealed weapons without permit http://bit.ly/cl4U9O

95

but Pinatubo in the early nineties caused global temps to drop significantly

But the great phophet Algore says evil carbon warms the earf.

Oh, I see, only man-made carbon warms the earf, earf made carbon cools the earf. I get it.

96

There aren't any Muslim foretellings of the days that follow the 'Darkening of the Sky?', are there?

 

 

97
You end up with identical results.

Not always.  Not a single Republican (even the squishy ones) ended up on board with the final version of PelosiCare.  yes yes yes - noted frustrations on the opportunities for the squishy R's to stop it along the way.  If our goal is to replace a squishy R with a conservative R (a goal I like!) then lets just do it.  It's easy, right?  oh wait, it's actually rather difficult; and so we sometimes have to live with imperfection and political frustration.  Especially within the hard-on blue states who blindly worship the democrat party no matter what.

 

98 I would still rather have the squishy republican because they don't have to worry about primary and money pressure from the party leaders. Snowe and Collins held out, Stupak/Judas folded along with all the other bribeables.

99 Last time I saw a bailout this big I had just skipped bail on a child sodomy wrap and was winging a plane to France!

100 Blazer--
The country is mostly conservative by nature which is why the Dems have to campaign as moderates in most places just to get their foot in the door. Snowe and Collins are about as good as a Republican your gonna get in the northeast I agree. Plus even those two have managed two unstuck themselves from stupid over the last few months. As far as Graham and Voinavich go, I believe folks like that live in the beltway bubble and are totally tone-deaf when it comes to gauging the sentiment of conservatives, Graham especially, he's going full retard now. They dont read blogs, they dont go to the Tea-Party's, they believe everything that WAPO, the NYT and the D.C. political journals are telling them.

Agree x 10.

101 The Earth cools due to Particulate Suspension, not Carbon Gas Emissions.

102 How to get the enquirer to expose Lady Lindsey is the real question.

103

I was happy to hear Karl Rove in an interview yesterday on a local radio show say unequivocally that the birther nonsense was just that - nonsense, not true, and a complete waste of time and energy.  Word.

Word indeed!  Uh, uh, um, uh, can I quit paying all those legal fees to fight it in court now?  I'm past a million and this is money Michelle could use for illegals to weed her garden.

104

Well I'll give Obama credit for being an unusually unscrupulous President. His desire for the Federal Government to take over the Health Care Industry is completed (pending numerous court challenges and, hopefully, the Republicans -even the RINO's holding their seats in Congress and gaining many more seats in the House) now he's got the banking industry under his thumb, is about to put the "Financial Services" industry under the thumb of people he appoints (without confirmation hearings) and will no doubt go full tilt boogie for Cap and Trade before the November elections.  As a Progressive/Socialist in America, he has done a great job for those who want a Nanny State.

But he's destroying MY America. What ever happened to the idea of personal responsibility to go along with personal liberty? And, as much as some of you may not want to be reminded of this, George W.  Bush had to deal with a Democrat controlled Congress in 2007 and 2008.  I don't know whether or not  TARP was necessary to save the American Economy; I DO KNOW that Obama and the Democrats are going to make it difficult for anyone to succeed in private industry.  And that IS what they want. Take a look at the States - what one thing do Detroit, Cleveland, and the other Rust belt big cities and states and California, New York  and New Mexico have in common (other than failing State economies)?  If you answered "They've all been controlled, at the very least in the state legislative arena, by Democrats" you win the prize.

105
Barry O.  I think tax payers are picking up the frivolous lawsuit paycheck.  So party on, dude.

106 But, the squishy Republican let Obamacare out of committee. Every time we say "Oh well, that's the best we can get", the Democrats gain and hold on to power." Every RINO is a Democrat. I know you can't just wish them away, but you can do more than just give up.

107
Posted by: realwest at April 17, 2010 01:17 PM (NaJR0)



You the same rw that used to post over at the formerly sane bloggers place?

108 Would you rather have a squishy republican or a full-on democrat?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten

"I'd rather have a division of Germans in front of me than a division of French behind me."

-- things Patton should have said.

109
Every time we say "Oh well, that's the best we can get", the Democrats gain and hold on to power."  Every RINO is a Democrat. I know you can't just wish them away, but you can do more than just give up.

I think that's simplistic.  I'm not wishing them away - I'm pointing out political reality.  Do you have a remedy? 

110 Look here you dumb ass honky crackers, I could just go full bore Sharia on your asses, but I'm giving you time to adjust. I've been busy looking for a nice mosque here in Washington. One with a good sound system, and a teleprompter.

111 I think that's simplistic.  I'm not wishing them away - I'm pointing out political reality.  Do you have a remedy? 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 01:21 PM (0fzsA)

Strip RINOs of their committee assignments.  Lady Lindsey should have been taken off of the Judiciary committee before he could stab the US in the face with his vote to allow Sotomayor a committee vote, and hence, a floor vote.

I'd also force the RINOs to wear dunce caps, but I'm flexible on this.

112 I think that's simplistic. I'm not wishing them away - I'm pointing out political reality. Do you have a remedy? Posted by: Lemon Kitten I have some suggestions. Political reality is not permanent. Force it in a direction of your choosing. Start at the grass roots and build a new consensus. Resist and shun RINOs at every turn. Make politicians reveal their true nature before the vote.

113 Barry O.  I think tax payers are picking up the frivolous lawsuit paycheck.  So party on, dude.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 01:17 PM (0fzsA)

Some may ask why I just don't release everything.  To them, I would say, "Screw you.  I won.  I can do whatever I want.  And if it irritates you wingnuts, so much the better.  Besides, you can see it all after I let someone like Breitbart finally track it down, but by then, I'll have destroyed your country and be enjoying my lifetime presidential retirement benefits.  Ha, ha, ha."

114 Taxpayers are on the hook because housing has already been underwritten by the government, as have the banks, and the health care of every person that manages to get inside our borders.

Obama will provide for all ... if you have assets, prepare to give to have them confiscated for "the cause".

115 In related news:

Shockernot Headline - Goldman Sachs tells shareholders financial reform bill will help their bottom line.

So whats the type of society you live in when only the politically well-connected are allowed to benefit?

116
I think that's simplistic. I'm not wishing them away - I'm pointing out political reality. Do you have a remedy?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten

I have some suggestions. Political reality is not permanent. Force it in a direction of your choosing. Start at the grass roots and build a new consensus. Resist and shun RINOs at every turn. Make politicians reveal their true nature before the vote.

Posted by: eman at April 17, 2010 01:25 PM (fTJLU)

Unfortunately the other remedy is for things to get so bad it shocks people back to their senses or brings them to them even if they had none in the first place. Rush hit on this last year. The Tea-Party's are full of former Democrats and even a bleeding heart died in the wool northeast lib like my mom has been going "WTF ?" lately and has taken to watching Glenn Beck.

117 So whats the type of society you live in when only the politically well-connected are allowed to benefit?

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 17, 2010 01:29 PM (7VvJB)

It's called crony captialism, where the upper class pay most of the taxes so they also have most of the power in congress because congress needs them.

It doesn't make sense at first until you realize that the upper class has the ability with the help of congress to have their income doubled or more. While they pay more taxes they also take home much more income. It perpetuates itself by giving the lower and middle class free stuff and low or no taxes to keep the democrats in power. This gives lower and middle income voters a sense of doing better but in reality the income gap widens with more going to the upper class.

118
This bill should be re-named the "Promote the democrat party via crony bailouts" bill.


Commit fraud?  No problem;  if you've given generously to the democrat party.
The tax payers will bail you out.  Especially those tax payers who don't support the democrat party.

119 Blazer, perhaps the Democrat/Socialist roller coaster car has reached the top of the course and there are no tracks ahead.

120
Blazer--
  Yep.  There is a shock factor going on. It's the resaon why independents and some democrats are waking up.  Which brings us back to why the democrats are in full-on deceptive mode. 

121 So whats the type of society you live in when only the politically well-connected are allowed to benefit?

That's what makes this such an uphill climb. This Presidency was partially bought and paid for by institutions that used to be thought of as bastions of free market capitalism. There's been a profund changing of the guard on Wall Street, and the new guard has moved to the left. It all bodes for a very bad outcome.

122
Blazer,

perhaps the Democrat/Socialist roller coaster car has reached the top of the course and there are no tracks ahead.

Posted by: eman at April 17, 2010 01:37 PM (fTJLU)

I believe they'll be as quiet as possible, like church mice and act moderate over the next few months before the November elections and try not to pass anymore controversial bills. At any rate, useful idiots like Linseed are doing all the work for them.

123 So this "financial overhaul bill" is a new bill they are working on now? What finances are they overhauling in it?

124 What finances are they overhauling in it?

Ours.

125
It is a pity Al Capone is not alive to see his empire rise to the top of the free world. I wonder when O will take his rightful position amongst the organization?

Posted by: sTevo at April 17, 2010 01:43 PM (eA3tl)

I'm pretty sure Al Capone had more ethics and morals than this crop of Chicago thugs.

126 Gateway Pundit-Violent Tea Party Infiltrator ID'd – Is Sec of St Charles County Dem Committee http://ow.ly/1zIpD

127
Gateway Pundit-Violent Tea Party Infiltrator ID'd – Is Sec of St Charles County Dem Committee http://ow.ly/1zIpD

Posted by: conscious and extremely coherent at April 17, 2010 01:49 PM (YVZlY)

I'll send them an invitation to the next Tea Party I attend. I'll even help them pick up their teeth afterwards.

128

Regarding the permanent bailout bill---the Senate version is S.3217.  Can't get a pdf yet, but can get the House version (H.R.4173) -- guess who sponsored it? 

Have a laugh at the bill's 'title' (introduced in the House by Bawney Fwank, into the Senate by Chris Dud):

"OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED:
A original bill to promote the financial stability of the United States  by improving accountability and transparency in the financial system, to end "too big to fail", to protect the American taxpayer by ending bailouts,  to protect consumers from abusive financial services practices, and for other purposes."

We can safely assume that any legislation introduced by Frank/Dodd will do the exact opposite of what it says....we know it's pure bullsh!t, designed to allow even more unaccounted suckage of our money.

129 So this "financial overhaul bill" is a new bill they are working on now? What finances are they overhauling in it?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 17, 2010 01:43 PM (RZ8pf)

Not much as far as I can tell, it's more populist bell ringing than anything else. A couple of things may change like dirivitives being traded on the stock market instead of between friends and banks may not be able to trade stocks on thier own account as much.

I'm not sure if those two things will make things worse or better though. The only profit banks are making right now is by trading, without it they would still be losing money.

130

Afternoon morons!

So the little "pro-life blue dog" Dem in my area, Littlel Stevie Dreihaus, sent a plea to his idiot backers for some money (it's cute--he doesn't quite get he's getting the boot in November)

Anyhoo, here's the text--

“Right-wing ideologue and Fox News commentator Sean Hannity is coming to Cincinnati today to help the local Tea Party raise over $65,000. Hannity and the Tea Baggers will certainly use that money in an effort to thwart progress and return us to the failed policies that they supported during the last decade. 

  I need your help to let them know that we are not willing to turn back without a fight. Please contribute today and help me send the message that we will do all that we can to continue moving our country forward.”

Dontcha love it when the adults are in charge?

131 9 As long as he's still black, everything's great, right?

Alas, another lie

He's not BLACK

132 Cowards: you guys always go after the weak: blacks, hispanics, the poor, the disabled rather than going after those who do far more harm: Goldman Sachs and all your Corporate greed-mongers.

133

Kinda reminds me of all those unconstitutional alphabet agencies that FDR had.

spit

134 Speaking of bailouts: Am I the only one who's annoyed by the Ally ads here & elsewhere?  Ally is just the reconstituted GMAC, i.e., bailed out bank.  They got slapped down recently for offering "too high" of interest rates on their CDs.  Gee, why was it too high?  Maybe it's because the government was subsidizing them? 

135
So Bill Clinton is out there saying that if you engage in free speech, or if you disagree with the democrat administration, you are essentially Timothy McVeigh.

136

So Bill Clinton is out there saying that if you engage in free speech, or if you disagree with the democrat administration, you are essentially Timothy McVeigh.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 02:10 PM (0fzsA)




Yep, with no sense of irony that all of the political violence as of late has come entirely from the left.

137

141 Tune in to ABC tomorrow with Tapper. He just said via Twitter that he was going to ask Clinton if he condemned anti-Bush rhetoric from the left.

It'll be interesting to see how hilljack Bill spins it.

138 So Bill Clinton is out there saying that if you engage in free speech, or if you disagree with the democrat administration, you are essentially Timothy McVeigh.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 17, 2010 02:10 PM (0fzsA)

Yeah, Clinton forgot the part where McVeigh said he blew up the building because Clinton and Reno barbequed 76 men, women and children in Waco.

 

139 Scott Murphy starts receiving donations from 11 states after changing health vote. $300,000.00 in twelve days after a yes vote on health care. http://tinyurl.com/y7a4z2l

140 Authoritarian jackasses love nothing more than the selective enforcement of pretty laws. Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 17, 2010 11:59 AM (N49h9) May I say, I never heard this stated more perfectly.

141
Tune in to ABC tomorrow with Tapper. He just said via Twitter that he was going to ask Clinton if he condemned anti-Bush rhetoric from the left.

It'll be interesting to see how hilljack Bill spins it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 17, 2010 02:14 PM (2uo/q)

He'll just do what every Democrat does when backed into a corner. He'll whip out the racism card and say that most of the opposition to Obama's policies is because he's black.

Count on it.

142 Yeah, Clinton forgot the part where McVeigh said he blew up the building because Clinton and Reno barbequed 76 men, women and children in Waco.

No he didn't.  You have to get into the leftist mind.  They are self-righteously right on all things.  So, to them: Clinton's & Reno's actions at Waco = correct.  Right-wing criticism of Clinton & Reno = incorrect.  McVeigh was motivated by the criticism (NOT by the actions at Waco, but the CRITICISM), which makes right-wingers no better than building-bombing terrorists.  It all makes sense in a twisted way.

143 Oh, please. Doesn't matter if he prevaricates a bit, because he is, after all, clean and articulate. Keep your priorities straight.

144

147 And isn't that amaaaaaazing?!

Just to think.....a few years ago someone like Barry Soetero would have been getting Clinton his coffee.

145 Obama kinda gettin his ass kicked in the polls today.  Dumped 3 points on Rasmussen and Gallup.  Just wait till these jokers try to ram through cap and trade.

146

Yeah well the people at Waco were evidently crazies (at least that's what my government told me) and something needed to be done.

Burning them alive in a locked up building seemed a bit midevil though.

147
Obama kinda gettin his ass kicked in the polls today.  Dumped 3 points on Rasmussen and Gallup.  Just wait till these jokers try to ram through cap and trade.

The dems know they have until November to do as much damage as possible.  Then?  The dems will do what they do best - accuse the Republicans of doing what they just did.  The dems will turn up the deception, and break out the 50 million for their full court press Deception Campaign.

148 Tune in to ABC tomorrow with Tapper. He just said via Twitter that he was going to ask Clinton if he condemned anti-Bush rhetoric from the left.

It'll be interesting to see how hilljack Bill spins it.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 17, 2010 02:14 PM (2uo/q)

"It depends on what the definition of 'if' is."  -- Disgraced former President.  "And don't even think of trying to use words like 'it' or 'in'.  I have no idea what they might mean.  English is, after all, such a personal language.  For instance, when I say 'relation', I mean 'a tall building with green windows'."

This is the left's concept of genius.

149 Re: the birther business. The 2 Clintons wanted Hillary to get the nomination so badly that it hurt. Does anyone seriously think that if there were any kind of real problem there, that those two wouldn't have sniffed it out and used it? Oh, well, maybe they were just to honorable to stoop to something like that. HA, HA, HA, HA.

150

Robotr (#152) burning people alive in a locked building is neither medieval or midevil.

It's full out evil.  Janet Reno's act was as ugly as Helen Thomas.

And our President, the "Lightworker", seems to have only a casual passing acquaintance with the truth.  He'd rather bullshit.

151 En el décimo aniversario de mi secuestro, yo deseo dar gracias Fiscal general Reno y el Presidente Clinton para regresarme al paraíso de trabajadores. Por lo menos ellos no me tuvieron maté, como esos fuckers pobre en Waco.

152 Re: the birther business. The 2 Clintons wanted Hillary to get the nomination so badly that it hurt. Does anyone seriously think that if there were any kind of real problem there, that those two wouldn't have sniffed it out and used it? Oh, well, maybe they were just to honorable to stoop to something like that. HA, HA, HA, HA.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 02:33 PM (iyyNK)

You're kidding, right?  Do you really think that arguing the competency of the idiot who couldn't find anyone at State to properly translate the word 'reset' into Russian (instead bumbling into 'overcharged' on a friggin' nuclear button to hand to the Russians) is the right way to go?

Shrillary is a total fool who is as incompetent as anyone in public view, save the Indonesian Imbecile, who is more retarded that anyone who has ever even been near the Oval Office.

Dual citizenship is incompatible with the Constitutional notion of natural born citizenship.  Game over.  All we need are people with courage to call it.

153
Colorado's Senator Bennet(D-Chuck Schumer's rocky mountain money sock) is already campaigning on government spending. 
This is how brazen these D-liars have become.

Bennet voted with the Pelosi and Reid 100% of the time.

154 157 Que?

155

Just to think.....a few years ago someone like Barry Soetero would have been getting Clinton his coffee. cocaine.

 

FI

156 Mike Myers, Ever wonder what the children would have looked like if Helen Thomas had married pig nose Waxman (sp)? Sorry, if I gave anyone nightmares.

157 I spent a few minutes going over this POS bill. I note that, not only does this POS not address the actual cause of the banking collapse, but it just tacks on another layer of regulations and creates new bureaucracies in the government to nationalize banks without going through congress. 

It also requires yet another set of "minority affairs" offices in every department created by the bill.  So what we have is more fascism, more communism, more payoffs to the unions, and more pandering to minorities in violation of the civil rights act of 1964.

It is no wonder that no Republicans voted for this POS and 27 Dems voted against it.  Yes, the only thing bipartisan about this bill is the opposition.

Republicans in the Senate say they will not vote for it without some "fixes".  I hope the commies hold out because there is nothing in this bill to "fix". The entire thing is crap.

If they want to "fix" the causes of the banking collapse they will have to wait for a Republican congress.

158 Second thought, Helen Thomas/Waxman progeny would have been a boon to the Halloween mask industry. Sorry for the meanness people, but every time I see that guy, I feel sorry for his poor wife.

159
Second thought, Helen Thomas/Waxman progeny would have been a boon to the Halloween mask industry. Sorry for the meanness people, but every time I see that guy, I feel sorry for his poor wife.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 02:49 PM (iyyNK)

Worse yet, a Waxman/Thomas sex tape. I bet that would make your eyeballs melt right out of your skull.

160

It's full out evil.  Janet Reno's act was as ugly as Helen Thomas.

And our President, the "Lightworker", seems to have only a casual passing acquaintance with the truth.  He'd rather bullshit.

Posted by: Mike Myers at April 17, 2010 02:34 PM (ktYjH)

You don't understand, Clinton and Reno had to burn the children to save them.

161 Oh yes, Obama is lying but what is new about that? Every time he opens his ugly pie-hole lies vomit forth.

162

Good on you, Vic. That's a few more minutes than any of those jackholes have spent (or will spend) on reading the bill.

On a completely different note, I have to say I'm over the moon happy that Hannity is getting raked over the coals at Fox for the tea-party stint here that fell through on tax day. Medialite is floating the "cancellation" word around. I think it's just puffery, but still.

I say good riddance. He's an asstard that's a liability to the conservative movement.

 

163 progressoverpeace, She may not be the brightest person on the block, but when it comes to sleaze, they do excel. You have to give me that.

164

Never again will taxpayers be on the hook because a financial company is deemed 'too big to fail'."

This is coming from a power-hungry, vacuous assclown who not only put taxpayers on the hook for 2 trillion+ more dollars in the first 15 months of his tenure, but didn't bother to read the language in the latest bill, that will hook us for more.

This addtional rape of the taxpayers will be doled out by the Financial Stability Oversight Council, the FDIC, and the U.S. Treasury; a lasting "fuck you" to American workers. By the way, there's also ample payoffs to labor unions. You can thank Obama's good buddy Andy Stern for that. Speaking of Andy, he's now part of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility. As Investor’s Business Daily put it, “is like having a serial arsonist organize Fire Prevention Week.”

165 Okay, progressoverpeace, if anything ever comes of the birther stuff, I'm going to ritually eat my own birth certificate.

166  say good riddance. He's an asstard that's a liability to the conservative movement.

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 17, 2010 02:53 PM (2uo/q)

In a perfect world Hannity would get the boot and Mark Steyn would take his place. That would make to much sense though.

167 The other thing "bad" about this bill is it creates yet another tax on banks and businesses which the government would then use to nationalize the bank or firm.

They are doing this under the guise of "taxpayer" funds so the taxpayer must have skin in the game BS. 

168 Obama lied?  Well I never!  I am outraged!

169 140 Speaking of bailouts: Am I the only one who's annoyed by the Ally ads here & elsewhere? ---------- The most annoying thing about the Ally commercials is the one girl in the pony ad who already has "the look". By the time she's 18, her look will be nuclear.

170 This is what I wrote to one of my Senators:


Sorry to bother you AGAIN but I am AGAIN newly alarmed by some pending legislation coming before you.

I realize that you are in the minority party right now but overall you strike me as a pretty sharp guy and a good thinker, heck you make being a SENATOR look like a dignified and lofty position. So glad we have you.

I'm not anything like such a dignified personage as a United States Senator, in fact, I'm pretty lowly on the status totem pole (6 hours to prepare a tax return with the help of $100 worth of fairly sophisticated software shows that I didn't even clear $25,000 last year) and yet I have concerns.

I'm quite sure that Chris Dodd or Chuck Schumer would just as soon have the likes of me executed on sight as answer impertinent questions, but by the grace of God, I landed in AZ and I have you as a Senator.

What is this that I am reading about the "Financial Reform" Bill that sets up a $50 BILLION fund for resolution of "financially risky institutions"?

Isn't that pretty much setting up a PERMANENT welfare ENTITLEMENT for politically connected entities that can get themselves deemed "too big to fail"?

How on earth is this kind of dubious and yet GINORMOUS pot of money set up completely outside the control of CONGRESS or any sort of remotely ACCOUNTABLE member of the government?

I would not blame you for laughing at my concerns, since I am not someone who would normally seem to have much of an interest or a stake in the dealings of high finance in the nexus of Wall Street and the Capitol in D.C..

But as the low man on the totem pole I have learned, most painfully and personally, over the last 3 years that I had better PAY ATTENTION to the dance that Goldman Sachs (et.al.) alumni who become powerful people in various DEPARTMENTS of the Federal bureaucracy.

Because, these people have demonstrated that they have no problem with lighting the world's economy ON FIRE, just because they can.

Don't give them the power to do it in secret behind the closed doors of a Federal bureaucracy, backstopped by the taxation powers of the United States Government.

It won't work out well.

As the low man on the totem pole, I can tell you that Sh&# does roll downhill.

I don't WANT to remain a low income U.S. citizen but I'm starting to doubt the POSSIBILITY of changing my economic status in a country that  seems bent and determined on gaming the political system to favor entrenched, rent-seeking, crony fat-cats over any other possible outcome.

Man, if I lived or had a business in California, I wouldn't think of moving out of state into AZ.  

I would start thinking of moving to some place like Chile.

That's sad.

171

Progreeoverpeace claimed, without evidence:

"Sorry, but your argument is a non-starter. You should be concerned with the Constitution being treated like toilet paper, first and foremost, because all the other problems flow from that.  Democrats who were actually constrained by the Constitution would not be very dangerous.  That is, of course, the whole point of the Constitution.  You seem to miss this obvious fact."

****************************************

The obvious fact YOU miss is that you have NO court holdings that support the idea that a person born in the US with one non-citizen parent is NOT natural-born.

You can argue your position until the cows come home, but there's NO LEGAL AUTHORITY for your position.  All you guys do is argue around the point inferentially, which doesn't cut it. 

In Barack's case he would have had to register as a British citizen in order to claim the benefits therefrom -- since he didn't register, and his dad didn't register him,  he was at no time under the jurisdiction, nor did he ever "owe allegiance to", the British Crown.

IOW he would have had to assert his right to be a British citizen by descent.

I would enjoy reading your legal analysis as to why Wong Kim Ark, who was declared a citizen at birth of the United States even though both parents were Chinese ineligible for citizenship,was not also "natural born".

In any event, no court is going to retroactively apply a new standard to Barack.

Game over.

 

 

172 Article linked to from "Big Government":

(Reuters) - Whether President Barack Obama looks to a moderate or a liberal as his second Supreme Court nominee, one thing is certain -- with critical congressional elections looming in November, he will make his selection quickly.

Typical libstain BS:

Obama's pick will not change the ideological balance of the court, which now has five conservatives and four liberals, but the White House says it expects a fight, no matter who Obama nominates.

5 conservatives????? I guess if you are not a outright communist you are a conservative.

173 #57 easy bake The GOP ain't gonna save your asses. They like power and money just as much as my D's. Your tears taste so good! Yeah, but their desire for power and money is a great motivator to get them to go after your ass. Ah, the beauty of a two party system.

174 progressoverpeace, She may not be the brightest person on the block, but when it comes to sleaze, they do excel. You have to give me that.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 02:54 PM (iyyNK)

Yes, the Clintons are as sleazy as they come, but they are incompetents.  All those tales about the political genius of the Clintons were just jokes (as anyone who ever watched "The War Room" quickly came to realize).  Clinton never got 50% of the vote and would not have even had a chance had it not been for Perot.  And you saw how the Clintons folded the minute Bill made that remark about Jesse Jackson and the primary vote - which was true.

No, the Clintons can't do anything right, so arguments that they would have figured out the natural born citizenship angle are without any merit.

Okay, progressoverpeace, if anything ever comes of the birther stuff, I'm going to ritually eat my own birth certificate.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 02:55 PM (iyyNK)

No need for that, but the fact is that dual/multiple citizenship obviates natural born citizenship.  Period.  The only reason this situation has been allowed to slide through is because so many were worried about the cities rioting.  But, the joke's on them, since the cities are going to burn, anyway.  The Indonesian Imbecile wants the cities to burn.

So, we get the worst of both worlds: an ineligible Precedent bent on the destruction of our nation and a willingness on the part of many conservatives to toss the Constitution aside, for fear of the mob.  Great.  We have arrived at an ochlocracy.

This is why this nation cannot be fixed.  Too many taboos and rules and traditions have been violated.  The American creed has been tossed out with the trash and that cannot be recovered with anything less than a serious discontinuity in the operation of this nation - or, much more likely, a new nation.

175 #165 A Thomas/Waxman sex tape. Oh the humanity!

176

Here you go Lacey,

"It is the tenth anniversary of my capture (sequestering) and I wish to thank Attorney General Reno and President Clinton for returning me to the worker's paradise.

At least they did not kill me like those poor fuckers at Waco."

 

At least that's what I think Asscheeks of Saturn said.

177 Just to put you some knowledge, volcanic eruptions are not driven by combustion. They emit mostly sulfurous gases and silicate particles.

From a USGS website:

Ash column generated by the eruption of Mount Pinatubo, a volcano in the Philippines Luzon volcanic arc, on June 12, 1991. The climactic eruption of Mount Pinatubo occurred three days later on June 15, 1991, and was one of the largest eruptions of this century. The climactic event lasted about 9 hours and erupted over a cubic mile of rock material. It injected a 20- million ton sulfur dioxide cloud into the stratosphere to an altitude of more than 20 miles. The climactic Pinatubo cloud was the largest sulfur dioxide cloud ever observed in the stratosphere since the beginning of such observations by satellites in 1978. It caused what is believed to be the largest aerosol disturbance of the stratosphere this century, although smaller than the estimated disturbances from the eruptions of Tambora in 1815 and Krakatau in 1883. Sulfate aerosol formed in the stratosphere from sulfur dioxide in the Pinatubo cloud increased the reflection of radiation from the Sun back into space. Consequently, the Earth's surface cooled in the three years following the eruption, by as much as 1.3 degrees ( Fahrenheit scale) at the height of the effect. The sulfate aerosols also accelerated chemical reactions that, together with increased stratospheric chlorine levels from man-made chlorofluorocarbon (CFC) pollution, destroyed ozone and led to the lowest ozone levels ever recorded to date in the stratosphere.

Man is just a tiny, silly little self-important thing.

178 182 #165
A Thomas/Waxman sex tape.
Oh the humanity!

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 03:18 PM (iyyNK)

In related news, "Brain Bleach" futures have spiked significantly higher.....

179 A Thomas/Waxman sex tape.
Oh the humanity!

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 03:18 PM (iyyNK)

there isn't a camera made that would even record that.

180

What finances are they overhauling in it?

Seems more like keelhauling to me.

181 Wow, a slow news day.

182 160 157 Que?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 17, 2010 02:40 PM (2uo/q)

Roughly translated and paraphrased, it's Elian Gonzalez thanking attorney general reno and president Clinton for returning him to the workers paradise, and that they didn't kill him like those poor effers in Waco.

183 What's up, morons/moronettes?  Obama is lying again?  Tell me something I don't already know.

Thanks to Vic for an outline of the POS bill.

Update on the incognito law/justice/way:  Not much.  My daughter's asst. principal asked me if I was sure it was (insert "little shit" name here) who broke into my home because his parents are sooooo supportive and raise good kids.  Good thing our conversation was over the phone or I would have smacked her upside the head. 

Anywho ... I'm not a confrontational person so not sure where this whole situation is going to go.  I'd prefer to have it go away.

OT youtube on the hypocrisy of the left (yeah, I know, something you didn't know already)

184 I like amusing myself w/ Psychic predictions and checking them out, almost all tend to be hillariously wrong (the funniest being that McCain would win the election, die of a heart attack, and Palin would become President and be the anti-christ). But a very little bit of them strike me as incredibly right, such as the Psychic Twins who have helped cops w/ cases and predicted 9/11 in 1999, but were never seriously taken enough when they tried to warn the govt. (though plane attacks on the world trade center buildings were already being talked about in CIA circles) and the Presidential Psychic Jeane Dixon who predicted FDR's death, JFK's death, and Reagan's presidency.

Anyhow while most psychics tend to skew democratic and make republicans out to be evil, these psychic interestingly enough have predicted bad things for Obama. Dixon, the psychic to the Presidents predicted that the President of the 90s would be caught in a sex scandal, that great bloodshed would take part in the President after him's term, and that the President after that would lead the economy to failure, this would follow w/ a great economy, and a President that would go down in History but that in the 2020s we would see a big war that the US would win and China might be involved...

185 I am reminded of Vigo's mandate in Ghostbusters:

"Chose the form of your destruction."

Banks, big or not, do not generally go into bankruptcy when they fail - they are taken over by the FDIC or FSLIC.  Once the Agencies have elected to insure the majority of deposits - backed by the US Treasury - you own the problem and the only argument is the form of the resolution.

Both Wachovia and Citi were equally defunct.  Wachovia was taken over and acquired by another bank, Citi is a bailout in place.  Both required considerable taxpayer money, both gave the government as much control as it wanted. 

There are differences, sure.  Citi officers and stockholders remained in place although they took a large hit.  But the real difference is the timing of the government hit, delayed in this case and many others.

As with the case of the S&L's 25 years ago, politicians are unwilling to step up to the real problem.  The entire S&L industry, as a whole, had a negative net worth as early as 1981 when Reagan took office, but the solution took almost his entire term in office.  By the way, congress had a big hand in engineering that problem also, by allowing S&L's suddenly to go into commercial lending when they were ill equipped to do so, and other things.

At some point in the last several years U.S. banks held 1.8 trillion in shaky loans on a capital base of 1.4 trillion.  A problem any way you slice it.  And this IS the problem, not the form of their death.

So instead of debating how we handle defunct banks, we should be talking about how they got that way in the first place.

As long as congress agrees to insure the bulk of deposits while committee chairs and Agency heads engineer crap loans in the pursuit of bonus millions, we will have this problem.

And it less matters how we deal with it - kind of like the decision to bury or cremate.

The form of the destruction is Congress...and some forget that.

186 186 A Thomas/Waxman sex tape.
Oh the humanity!

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 17, 2010 03:18 PM (iyyNK)

Yep, that's obscene. 

187

incognito, does your daughter feel safe at school, or does she fear retribution from the little punk? IÂ’d like it all to go away for you as well, but I know as a Mama Bear whatÂ’s most important is for your girl to be safe, so if you have to kick ass and take names to do it IÂ’m sure you will.

188 the fact is that dual/multiple citizenship obviates natural born citizenship

Note that technically, this argument isn't a "birther" argument - because it doesn't assume anything about birth. I get rude to commenters who use "birther" arguments. This argument deserves some respect.

But I'd like to see some backup of this legal "fact", that dual citizenship obviates natural born citizenship.

I recall various right and left antisemites hollering that Israel's Act Of Return made Joe Lieberman a dual citizen as of 2000 and then 2004. But Lieberman never exercised this right. I think you'd have to consciously accept another nation's offer of citizenship. So Lieberman doesn't count.

189

>>>The obvious fact YOU miss is that you have NO court holdings that support the idea that a person born in the US with one non-citizen parent is NOT natural-born.

Which is why the court needed to take this case and make a ruling on the operational definition of 'natural born citizen'. There is not even any risk to doing it, since they can punt and just declare that holding 163 other citizenships doesn't stop anyone from being considered a 'natural born citizen'.

As to evidence that people thought the way I claim, I have one former President who thought that having a non-citizen parent (father) at birth (in the US, BTW) obviated his claims to being a natural born citizen. That was Chester Arthur, who hid the details of his birth because his father was, interestingly, British, when Chester was born in the US. So, cool your jets on your idea that this concept had never been broached before.

But, it's nice of you to argue that something that has never been resolved by a court and that no one can point to any amendment clarifying it (as the writers of the 14th specifically decided not to mention 'natural born citizen') should just be ignored. Good stuff there, effin.

>>>You can argue your position until the cows come home, but there's NO LEGAL AUTHORITY for your position. All you guys do is argue around the point inferentially, which doesn't cut it.

Actually, you would be totally and wholly incorrect. There was tons of legal authority as most SecStates had the legal responsibility (by their state laws) to verify eligibility of people before they were placed on the states' ballots. As recorded in the D'Onofrio case against New Jersey, the SecState just took the parties' word for the eligibility of the candidates - which is why Roger Calero, WHO IS NOT EVEN AN AMERICAN, was on the ballot for the Presidency.

The courts, of course, decided that Jersey voters had no standing to ensure that the people on the ballots they had to choose from were actually eligible to be there ... because voters have no such rights, evidently. More great stuff. I wish such standards of standing were applied to eco-law and the many bullshit discrimination cases that our courts entertain daily.

>>>In Barack's case he would have had to register as a British citizen in order to claim the benefits therefrom -- since he didn't register, and his dad didn't register him, he was at no time under the jurisdiction, nor did he ever "owe allegiance to", the British Crown.

>>>IOW he would have had to assert his right to be a British citizen by descent.

Now, you're just making shit up. Good try, though. And don't forget Indonesia. But, you would be against anyone claiming that any of this should even be investigated to determine eligibility.

>>>I would enjoy reading your legal analysis as to why Wong Kim Ark, who was declared a citizen at birth of the United States even though both parents were Chinese ineligible for citizenship,was not also "natural born".

>>>In any event, no court is going to retroactively apply a new standard to Barack.

>>>Game over.

>>>Posted by: effinayright at April 17, 2010 03:10 PM (3sB5l)

Wong Kim Ark didn't address 'natural born citizenship', though it is noted in the dissent. Dual citizenship is a class of American citizen that didn't exist at the time of the Founders and the writing of the Constitution. That is a fact. It didn't exist, of course, because the Founders found the idea repugnant. But, you would argue that they would be cool with dual citizens being included in their class of 'natural born citizen'. Okey doke, there.

And there is nothing retro-active about this.  The Constitution has been around for a while, you know, and the natural born citizen clause has been there since the beginning. 

190 As far as the birther stuff, went to a tea party on Thursday.  The only time it was mentioned was when one person yelled something about his birth certificate.  The radio personality on the stage made a joke about it and that was it.  I think the issue is mute, IMHO.  That is, until some WH journalist (and I use that term lightly) mentions it in his tell-all book he is writing (to be published after BoZo leaves office ... in 2012).

191 "Choose"

192 ParanoidGirlInSeattle 195, maybe it's time to take the girl to the movie "Kick Ass" and then to the shooting range?

In my theatre, seems every comic book nerd who somehow managed to spawn took their 10 year old princess to the thing... scary... but if it keeps punks from preying on them, who am I to judge

193

"No need for that, but the fact is that dual/multiple citizenship obviates natural born citizenship.  Period. "

A blindingly clear, utterly persuasive legal analysis!!! 

BWaaaaahahahahahahhahaaaaa!!

194 Gabe, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this behavior the MO for a lot of discovery motions: Flood the other guys with so much non-stop bullshit that they'll never get to the fact, much less the truth?  It's easy for us to dismiss the red tide as lies from start to finish, but what about the common man/woman who tries to muddle their way though it themselves, or the opposing side who has been given less and less time to pull the truth out of the haystacks they're bogged down with daily?

We should make them do it as the Founders did, with a piece of paper and a quill.

195

In my theatre, seems every comic book nerd who somehow managed to spawn took their 10 year old princess to the thing... scary... but if it keeps punks from preying on them, who am I to judge

Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 03:34 PM (QJfkg)

Was it any good?  I saw the red band trailer for it, and anybody who takes their ten year old to see it needs their head checked, IMHO.

196 incognito, does your daughter feel safe at school, or does she fear retribution from the little punk? IÂ’d like it all to go away for you as well, but I know as a Mama Bear whatÂ’s most important is for your girl to be safe, so if you have to kick ass and take names to do it IÂ’m sure you will.

My daughter is tough as nails.  She's brushing it all off.  It does appear that "little shit" is all talk.  Oh ... did I mention little shit's father is a former minister?  If I would have known that, I would have brought my Bible over to his house for him to swear on .....

197 The bill allows a 2/3 vote of the Financial Stability Oversight Council to deem any firm (financial or non-financial) as coming under its rubric and then authorizes the FDIC and Treasury Secretary to treat each of the firm's shareholders and creditors as they choose, without regard to bankruptcy law. Rule by Decree. aka Tyranny. "Oh, is your brake pad company charging more than Govt. Motors would like to pay? If you don't lower your price we might just have to DEEM you, bitch!"

198

In my theatre, seems every comic book nerd who somehow managed to spawn took their 10 year old princess to the thing... scary... but if it keeps punks from preying on them, who am I to judge

 

OK, I think that seems inappropriate, but I havenÂ’t seen the movie yet so IÂ’m only judging by the previews. Is it really the type of movie that 10 year olds should see?

 

Until we admit as a country that we have a problem with the escalating violence of young people going unchecked in this country, and we acknowledge that the way parents are parenting these days has created a large part of the problem (instead of continuing to blame television, movies, video games, music—yes they are a factor, but not the whole thing) we will see more and more situations where young people feel free to behave as animals because no one will stop them.

199 200 In my theatre, seems every comic book nerd who somehow managed to spawn took their 10 year old princess to the thing... scary... but if it keeps punks from preying on them, who am I to judge ------------ Are you worried about punks preying on the daughters or on the comic book nerds?

200 206 - Totally agree, ParanoidGirlInSeattle.

Did you see one city in Texas plans to bring back the paddle to school?  I like it.  I like it very much.

201 What other nations could a "dual citizen" of the US be part of, in 1790? France - "oldest enemy". Britain - not yet finished with its most spectacular bit of enemy-ness, the burning of DC. Spain - also suspect. And don't get me started on the various angry Indian nations on the frontier.

The US was alone in the late 1700s and dual citizenship would have been national suicide. If times have changed, we should have had a formal Amendment saying "why yes, of course we trust half-citizens whose memory of the US starts at about ten years old to be President".

PS. Chester Arthur was a complete mediocrity as President, by the way. A sack of potatoes would have got more done.

202

This is why this nation cannot be fixed.  Too many taboos and rules and traditions have been violated.  The American creed has been tossed out with the trash and that cannot be recovered with anything less than a serious discontinuity in the operation of this nation - or, much more likely, a new nation.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at April 17, 2010 03:16 PM (N49h9)

This is why most people reject Birthirism.

Because it is fundamentally nihilism and they can smell it.

What is the best possible outcome of the "He's not really a U.S. citizen and therefore not really eligible to be POTUS" faction?

I mean really, if, in your wildest dreams, what would happen if you had pictographic evidence of BHO's  infant gigantic ears tearing through the labia of his mother in Kenya as witnessed by 7 diplomats from the U.K. who happened to be hanging around Africa at the time?

What does this get you?

Really?

A Do Over?

What's the point?

Hillary Clinton would be just as bad as Obama on most things.

Or do you really think that if only we could have shown that BHO is not technically eligible to be president then we wouldn't have to face the reality of the crap that got pushed through congress this past year?

203
The birth certificate issue is A-OK with me. It's good to have that kind of background noise; it undermines Obama. Let them run with it.

The issue only hurts us when people on our side try to marginalize and humiliate the people who are raising the issue that Barack Obama did not provide a real Birth Certificate.

Equating them with 9/11 'truthers' is absurd. The so-called birthers (a pejorative term) are only asking that Obama show his damn b.c., whereas the 9/11 skeptics have conconcted an implausible and outlandish conspiracy theory.

204 206, no, of course not. In fact I was at the Alamo Drafthouse enjoying a second pint of beer when 10 year old princess sat next to me with her nerd dad on the next seat over. It was too late to move to some other seat. Freakin' ridiculous.

205

I recall various right and left antisemites hollering that Israel's Act Of Return made Joe Lieberman a dual citizen as of 2000 and then 2004. But Lieberman never exercised this right. I think you'd have to consciously accept another nation's offer of citizenship. So Lieberman doesn't count.

Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 03:32 PM (QJfkg)

There's a difference between an offer of citizenship and brithright citizenship. Lieberman could travel to Israel as a non-citizen. One who has birthright citizenship in a nation cannot do that, whether they want to accept the citizenship or not.

On The Precedent's own, FightTheSmears site, he pastes this from factcheck:

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

---------------------------------------------

As I mentioned above, Chester Arthur was convinced that birthright citizenship to other countries was dangerous enough to have to hide.

And I would just point out the it is interesting that one must argue the circumstances of the Indonesian Imbecile's nationality by birth to get to 'natural born citizen' status, but would then have to ignore the same as we would accept from other countries to keep it. In any event, that none of this was even investigated (we have to take the word of a proven liar that he never swore allegiance and allowed his other citizenship to automatically lapse - which doesn't make a difference for my argument, but would have to be looked at seriously, anyway) is the strange part, no matter ones thoughts about the legal issues. And Indonesia is another part of it, that, at the very least, called for official investigation.

But, in the end, this is more of a question of reasonable investigation and verification of whatever standard one would adopt to satisfy their notion of 'natural born citizen', which The Precedent certainly has many problems with and has never proven to any official body.

206 I should be better about adding sarc / smiley / jokey indicators to my posts.

DO NOT TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER TO SEE THIS MOVIE "KICK ASS" UNLESS SHE IS FIFTEEN AND NOT AT RISK OF VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR.

207 My daughter is having her 10th birthday today.

Perhaps this thread would like to come over and help her blow out the candles.

208 Zimriel, what about my 8 year old son? (grinning--I'm just teasing)

209 Golly.  He's just misunderstood.

210

Did you see one city in Texas plans to bring back the paddle to school?  I like it.  I like it very much.

 

I can't remember where I read it, but just this week, I read that a couple of progs were going to introduce a bill that would make spnaking your children unlawful.

211

Perhaps this thread would like to come over and help her blow out the candles.

 

Are you implying weÂ’re full of hot air, sir?

212 If  someone interested  in planes want to watch a live air show with military and civilian planes from all over the world , let me know

213 Or do you really think that if only we could have shown that BHO is not technically eligible to be president then we wouldn't have to face the reality of the crap that got pushed through congress this past year?

Exactly.

If it is shown that he is not eligible for office, then he will leave office immediately and every act he took while illegally occupying that office will be nullified.

Heaven help anyone who so much as lifts a finger to defend him.

214

>>>Hillary Clinton would be just as bad as Obama on most things.

Not even close.  We have evidence of that from her own health scare push in 1993.  What has happened in Washington is that someone who has nothing but contempt for us and our institutions has gotten in and he is determined to break our system.  Shrillary, as dumb and leftist as she is, would never have even thought to do what the Indonesian Imbecile did.  It took someone who has no American sensibilities, at all, to act the way he has acted.

This should all be obvious.

>>>Or do you really think that if only we could have shown that BHO is not technically eligible to be president then we wouldn't have to face the reality of the crap that got pushed through congress this past year?

Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2010 03:44 PM (aVzyR)

He is ineligible.  As to how our nation deals with it, I don't know, but I have little faith that we would handle it correctly, since if our nation had the sense to do that, he never would have been on the ballot to begin with.  Instead, this nation will just let itself be run into the wall and will disintegrate.  That seems to be the path that most people are choosing.

As to what you wrote at the beginning of your post, you either didn't understand most of what I wrote or are going out of your way to be obtuse, so as to show how much you can mock and ridicule anyone who would stoop to actually follow the Constitution and the clear traditions of our nation.

215 I mean really, if, in your wildest dreams, what would happen if you had pictographic evidence of BHO's infant gigantic ears tearing through the labia of his mother in Kenya as witnessed by 7 diplomats from the U.K. who happened to be hanging around Africa at the time? What does this get you?

It gets you a military coup in alliance with the judiciary, as in Honduras.

Since the birthers stand on lies here, I've concluded that birthers deserve to be tried for treason. That's what you get when you deliver seditious propaganda to our troops.

People like progressoverpeace are not arguing on the basis of a false conspiracy theory, though, but on a legal argument; so I would be unhappy if he faced a firing squad. But do we risk a military / judicial solution over a point of law that hasn't been ruled on yet? I'm still not feelin' it.

216
You're not even a U.S. citizen!

217

Do Not Read, Listen To The Radio, Watch TV, Listen To Your Family, Friends or Neighbors.  Only Listen To The Bigest Lying Prick To Come Along.  Listen To Him My Fellow Commrads, The Government Is The Way, Is The Path To Truth, Is Our Savior. 

Viva Big Government, Viva The Giant Teat Of Life, Viva United States Of Mama.  Ooooops, Here It Comes, The Bile Just Hit My Gullet.

218

It gets you a military coup in alliance with the judiciary, as in Honduras.

Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 03:54 PM (QJfkg)

Of course, the coup attempt in Honduras was on the part of Zelaya, and people should take clear note of The Precedent's claims (accepted to be stupid and false by just about everyone on Earth with a brain) about that event.  He was arguing for democracy over republic, and it was very much because of his own position, here (by my estimation, at least).  The Precedent's attitude about Zelaya's coup attempt in Honduras told people everything they needed to know about him - but most ignored it.

219 Ha! Fox news is trying to show a big volcano in iceland. Everyone knows it's too cold in iceland for volcano's

220 Attack on Republican campaign workers in N.O. WAS politically motivated. It was by the anarchist protesters:

http://tinyurl.com/y4j3jtk

221 Honduras worked out okay. But that was because Zelaya planned to create a completely new Constitution, and had invited over Cubans and Venezuelans. By the time Zelaya was ousted, about the only people still supporting him were on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Obama's more subtle. A judge and general kicking him out == riots, the union takeover of California and subsequent purges of counterrevolutionaries, New England secession and a general Spanish Civil War vibe.

Still not feelin' it.

222

There is plenty of time to sort out whether CHAIRMAN OBAMA is really a native born America or to SEE what names and informations are included on his various fraudulent documents from Universities and Passport apps. 

AFTER THE CORONATION  PARADE in front of the PRESIDENTIAL PALACE at 1600 KENYA ST.

223 211
The birth certificate issue is A-OK with me. It's good to have that kind of background noise; it undermines Obama. Let them run with it.

The issue only hurts us when people on our side try to marginalize and humiliate the people who are raising the issue that Barack Obama did not provide a real Birth Certificate.

Equating them with 9/11 'truthers' is absurd. The so-called birthers (a pejorative term) are only asking that Obama show his damn b.c., whereas the 9/11 skeptics have conconcted an implausible and outlandish conspiracy theory.

Posted by: Inch High, Private Eye at April 17, 2010 03:44 PM (uFokq)

THIS. This times 1000000000.

Someone in the ONT was wondering why we don't punch up use all advantages that present themselves to undermine Obama and the Democrats. Well, here is one right here, and many would rather use it to tear down our own side. Even if you don't believe this stuff, what better long-term weapon -- especially as the consequences of what Obama has done and is doing become more deeply felt -- than to plant even a kernel of the idea in the minds of as many Americans as possible that maybe this motherfucker should never have been in office in the first place? Especially when the facts are on our side, as even one of Obizzle's own web sites admits that he held dual citizenship status for the first 21 years of his life?

How many people really think that even a single congressional race is going to be won or lost this year over what people think about Those Cwazy Birfers?

224 > 209 ... PS. Chester Arthur was a complete mediocrity as President, by the way. A sack of potatoes would have got more done. Posted by: Zimriel You say that as if it were a bad thing!

225 >>>Honduras worked out okay. But that was because Zelaya planned to create a completely new Constitution, and had invited over Cubans and Venezuelans. By the time Zelaya was ousted, about the only people still supporting him were on Pennsylvania Avenue.

Honduras worked out okay because the Hondurans had suffered through dictators and loved their constitutional republic - fighting to keep it.  The fact that Zelaya's only support came from the White House (and the south/latin america marxists) says it all.

Interestingly, The Precedent's administration (and the genius at State) refused to issue visas for the Honduran government to be represented at that insane UN meeting, instead issuing visas for Zelaya's junta. The funny part (if you have that sort of humor) was that Zelaya's rep at the UN was an old Honduran terrorist from the 80's - a bomber.  He was Honduras' version of Bill Ayers, essentially.  Of course, no one reported on this, except for Greta.

>>>Obama's more subtle. A judge and general kicking him out == riots, the union takeover of California and subsequent purges of counterrevolutionaries, New England secession and a general Spanish Civil War vibe.

Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 04:04 PM (QJfkg)

Whatever the consequences are should be immaterial in the application of the Constitution.  But, as I said earlier, the joke is that things are going to be much worse by leaving The Precedent in there.  You've seen the damage he's done, already, and he's just getting started.  This anti-American insanity will just get worse and worse, because The Precedent has only one real aim in mind, and that is to exact revenge on the US and the West.

226 OT:  Old and (More) Busted: Tectonic Plate activity causes earthquakes and volcanic activity.

Old and (Recently) Busted: Climate Change Melting the Polar Ice Caps Cause Increased Earthquakes and Volcanic Activity.

The New Hotness:  Extramarital Affairs Cause Increased Earthquakes.

/Posted on JWF.

227 ref my own #205 The threat of being "deemed" is the big deal here. Spineless CEOs would agree to this or that during negotiations if they knew the other side had influence with the current administration.

228 If it is shown that he is not eligible for office, then he will leave office immediately and every act he took while illegally occupying that office will be nullified.

Keep dreamin'.

So really that's the emotional push that keeps this particular conspiracy theory alive?

Once the world is shown that BHO is a fraud any and every act that the Federal government engaged in after his inauguration is automagicially  undone?

Really?

How?

Also, I'm not quite as sanguine as you about BHO and the characters who surround him in the WH, saying "Oops! My Bad!" and gracefully stepping aside once He is shown as not technically eligible for the White House

How exactly do you envision this sort of peaceful transfer of power taking place?

229 You people take Obama too seriously. When I watch him, I visualize him in a pink flannel bunny rabbit suit, munching on a bean burrito with a look on his face that says that he just realized that there isn't a flap that unbuttons in the back of his suit like his doctor dittens had.

230 The dual citizenship argument is a strong one, "war between the undead states"; because even if it's legal for a dual citizen to be President, most of us who aren't complete hacks know that it's unethical. ProgressOverPeace might not be right, but he should be right.

And that's why Obama would rather make fun of birthers. "Ooh look! Truthers! Watch the birdie!"

231 So really that's the emotional push that keeps this particular conspiracy theory alive?

Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2010 04:14 PM (aVzyR)

Could you stop with that particular idiocy - or, at least, learn what the word "conspiracy" means and stop misusing it?  You use "conspiracy theory" the same way the left uses "racist".

232 Deety, to paraphrase progressoverpeace 240: he's not arguing the conspiracy theory. He's arguing on a legal interpretation of the Constitution.

Disagree with his conclusions, fine. Say that his interpretation does more harm than good (like I do), fine. But don't insult him.

233 this is unfair anti-competitive behavior where big institutions have lower risk than smaller business as they have a back stop to lean against.. Obama seems to be the anti-competitive President he did the same thing with Health-care government Health-Care is allowed to be pooled interstate and sold across State lines, Private Insurers are not allowed to.. (Anti-Competitive rules)

234

PS. Chester Arthur was a complete mediocrity as President, by the way. A sack of potatoes would have got more done.

Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 03:43 PM (QJfkg)

Considering what you folks are stuck as a president right now, that makes me look pretty good.

235 Thank God for Obama *hic*

236 Posted by: Zimriel at April 17, 2010 04:15 PM (QJfkg)

I agree 100%.  You and I are at odds over the legality question, but that could be resolved in two minutes by the SCOTUS.  It seems to me that they fear discovery and they fear having to make a ruling on multiple citizenship and its relation to natural born citizenship that will live in infamy, though it could be a quick kill to that eligibility argument.

237 But did he make himself "clear"? No, you wingnuts prevented him from being clear. It's our fault.

238 It seems to me that they fear discovery and they fear having to make a ruling on multiple citizenship and its relation to natural born citizenship that will live in infamy, though it could be a quick kill to that eligibility argument.

I'd like a ruling on that that would prohibit anchor babies from gaining citizenship. Would such a ruling have any bearing on the anchor baby issue?

239
Remember when the Left was saying all kinds of stupid shit about Bush being king for life and we're not going to have any more elections? Any time this type of nonsense came up, we'd often say what? We'd say the Left was projecting.

Well, Rush (or was it Beck?) was joking yesterday about Obama never leaving office. Maybe it's not so crazy, after all. Obama is young, he's ambitious, and he's, well, a communist dictator who think he knows best.

If he gets reelected, and if the Democrats stay in control of Congress in 2010 and 2012, and if 30 million new Democrat voters are added to the roles via Amnesty, and if he appoints a few more leftist Justices which shifts the balance of the Court, we'd could have a real problem on our hands come 2016.

Of course the stars would have to align perfectly for that disaster to happen, but Obama, a campus buffoon, pretty much stumbled upon the United States presidency through serendipity. The man was born with a horseshoe up his ass, for sure.

240 I'd like a ruling on that that would prohibit anchor babies from gaining citizenship. Would such a ruling have any bearing on the anchor baby issue?

Posted by: wherestherum at April 17, 2010 04:27 PM (gofDd)

I think that would have to be a constitutional amendment rum. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to remember that being in the constitution.

241 I haven't followed this birth thing too deep. Of all the stuff I did hear, the one thing I was curious about was the Indonesia thing. The way I heard it, he went to school there, and you don't do that unless you are a citizen of Indonesia, and Indonesia don't do dual citizen ship, so he would have to renounce any other citizenship and become Indonesian. Seeing he floated up on out shores as an adult, the question was just  WHAT passport did he use to get here. They way I understood it, the birth certificate means nothing, but a matter of what fucking country was he ultimately a citizen of when this fuck face fuck landed on our shores?  Any truth to any of that?

242 I'd like a ruling on that that would prohibit anchor babies from gaining citizenship. Would such a ruling have any bearing on the anchor baby issue?

Posted by: wherestherum at April 17, 2010 04:27 PM (gofDd)

I don't think so, because it would address the specific class of 'natural born citizen' and not plain 'citizen'.  But, it would likely be useful in a later case about anchor babies.

We have many problems swirling about citizenship issues, not least of which is the fact that people who are naturalized as Americans have to take an oath of citizenship that starts out with:

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen;"

(which is an artifact of the strong feelings this nation had about split allegiances) but we still have many naturalized Americans who retain their other citizenships, in clear violation of the oath - along with many Americans who take similar oaths abroad and retain their American citizenship.  We have come to a point where people are actively encouraged to ignore legal wording and clear intention, which is a very, very bad sign.

243 They way I understood it, the birth certificate means nothing, but a matter of what fucking country was he ultimately a citizen of when this fuck face fuck landed on our shores?  Any truth to any of that?

Posted by: Berserker at April 17, 2010 04:31 PM (gWHrG)

There is a rumor that in Hawaii at the time you could just tell the government that your kid was born in Hawaii and they would give you a birth certificate. I don't know if it's true or not. I feel pretty certain though that no court is going to take this issue up. It has been tried and failed on numerous occasions. Someone would have to have proof he wasn't a citizen to ever get anywhere and there is more proof that he is than isn't. I don't know of any proof that he isn't and his short form birth certificate is similar to the one I got when I renewed my passport.

244 Old opinion piece, but I just saw it on Carl in Jerusalem's site.  Goes with all the earthquake news.

The Iranian Bomb: Within a Month?

245
A lot of people are under the impression Barack is an only child...because that's the impression he and his handlers want to give.

But Barack has a few siblings and guess what? None of them were born in the U.S.

Guess what else? Barack Obama isn't even his original birth name!

This guy Barack Hussein Obama is as queer as all get out. Something stinks about this guy, and it's not just his failed trip to Denmark.

246
queer in the 'something's amiss' sense, not the homo sense.

247

I think that would have to be a constitutional amendment rum. I could be wrong about that, but I seem to remember that being in the constitution.

Posted by: robtr at April 17, 2010 04:30 PM (fwSHf)

The anchor baby problem is one of the interpretation of the 14th and what "subject to the jurisdiction" means.  It is clear to me that illegals are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US, since they are here illegally (i.e. outside of the jurisdiction of the US government, since US jurisdiction would say that they are not allowed to be here), but lawyers have very much enjoyed ripping that phrase to semantic shreds.

248
Here's a guy who has close ties with a terrorist, William Ayers; an illegal-alien aunt living off the taxpayers in Boston, Massachusetts; and a brother who lives in a hut.

No political opportunities there, GOP? None at all?

Are you fucking kidding me?!!??!

249 but lawyers have very much enjoyed ripping that phrase to semantic shreds

Not lawyers, the BS interpretation is from INS. The "under jurisdiction" part has never been adjudicated. Wong Kim Ark looked at the child of "legal" immigrants who was born in the U.S. who WAS under the jurisdiction of the U.S. 

But good luck on getting a court to accept a case for the anchor baby crap.

250 Have you ever noticed that every now and then while he is speaking, Obama gets a goofy grin on his face for no apparent reason, like he just farted?

251 He's not my president I've never been to Kenya.

252 Well, Rush (or was it Beck?) was joking yesterday about Obama never leaving office. Maybe it's not so crazy, after all.

I don't listen to Beck much, but the day after HCR was jammed up America's collective ass Rush made a comment about "if we have elections again", or something to that effect, and he most definitely was not joking. It chilled me because Rush has always been the last radio host to suggest things like that, and I remember the mutterings that went on in some circles during the waning days of Clinton. In 20 years of listening to him I have never heard the kind of sustained urgency and anger that has been in his voice nearly every day since.

253 Here's a guy who has close ties with a terrorist, William Ayers; an illegal-alien aunt living off the taxpayers in Boston, Massachusetts; and a brother who lives in a hut.

No political opportunities there, GOP? None at all?

Are you fucking kidding me?!!??!

I hear ya.  And to think I actually went to New Mexico (6 hour bus ride to and fro) and campaigned for Johnny.  That guy has absolutely no backbone.  His office called yesterday to see if I was interested in campaigning for Juan again.  I told them I might IF he wins the primary.  I then told them IF Senator McCain votes for the financial POS, I would not campaign for him, but against him.

254
I'm fired up.

I need a Bob rant. brb...

255 255
queer in the 'something's amiss' sense, not the homo sense.

Posted by: Inch High, Private Eye at April 17, 2010 04:38 PM (uFokq)

Let me tell you a story...

256
good ol' Bob! Just what I needed to vent.

257

Denigrating the people that want to see Obama's (real) long form birth certificate, rather than settling for the abstract provided by Hawaii are doing nothing more than helping the other side. When you spit on your own friends to prove how "fair" you can be to the Dems, that in the end will always hate you, you are marked as an imbecile who's judgment cannot be trusted.

If this really were a non-issue, Obama would simply provide a copy of the long form and be done with it. Instead, he is spending millions to fight having to show it and that ALONE should be a HUGE red flag to anyone with half a brain. That is not how things work in the real world, and not how things work for Obama (no matter what world he thinks he lives in) either.

The "Easter Egg" in the entire birth certificate controversy probably isn't that he was born in Kenya, but could be something else that is extremely damaging or embarrassing that no one is talking about now, and that truth needs to be run to ground. In the meantime use Obama's refusals to provide that document as another means to question his legitimacy and to give the Dems just one more thing they have to counter.

If you denigrate and make fun of those that want Obama's positive proof of his 'identity', then you are a litmus test FAIL in my book.

258

Even if a the court took up this issue, found Obama to be lying about his citizenship I don't think they have any power to do anything about it. The constitution only gives congress the power to remove a president. That's why the court would never hear the case, they would defer to the congress.

259 There is some talk that if the army    doctor who is questioning the birth issue is given a court martial than he will be entitled to request proof of birth, passport, and grades (who paid for the education) in order to prove his point in court..

260 267 Even if a the court took up this issue, found Obama to be lying about his citizenship I don't think they have any power to do anything about it.

If a court found Obama ineligible then that might have some bearing on the 2012 race, wouldn't you think?

261

The reasoning behind the constitutional requirement that only American born become president is to keep those who may have other loyalties out of office and for the president to have an innate understanding of the ethos and mission of the US.

He hates the US. He has no concept of what it means to be an American and I haven't determined where his loyalties lie---other than with radical idealology. How can a man raised by communists in Indonesia and Hawaii, schooled by radicals and indoctrinated by black liberation theology have the first clue about the US as it is meant to be.

The intent of the law is clear. It's a shame they couldn't see into the future see that the letter of the law might be followed but the spirit would be manipulated by communist forces.

262 the army    doctor who is questioning the birth issue is given a court martial than he will be entitled to request proof of birth, passport, and grades (who paid for the education) in order to prove his point in court..

That has already been tried and the court said that he lacked standing.

263 There is some talk that if the army    doctor who is questioning the birth issue is given a court martial than he will be entitled to request proof of birth, passport, and grades (who paid for the education) in order to prove his point in court..

Posted by: fightobama at April 17, 2010 04:54 PM (6IV8T)

maybe, I don't think so though. There is no requirement that a president prove he is a natural born citizen, there is no FBI background check and no one to check his papers to make sure he is legit. The Army Doc would have to have proof he wasn't eligable.

264 Not lawyers, the BS interpretation is from INS.

True, but the lawyers are quick to argue the same point, as they are scared to have anyone call them names if they appear to be against the idea that the US born babies of illegals are somehow entitled to US citizenship.  Maybe Gabe will jump in and show us ...

The "under jurisdiction" part has never been adjudicated. Wong Kim Ark looked at the child of "legal" immigrants who was born in the U.S. who WAS under the jurisdiction of the U.S. 

Yep.  As was the case with Perkins v. Elg, too.

But good luck on getting a court to accept a case for the anchor baby crap.

Posted by: Vic at April 17, 2010 04:43 PM (QrA9E)

Ain't that the truth.  I think that "sovereignty" is one of the dirtiest words in the US, these days - though "Constitutionality" comes pretty close.

265 Could you stop with that particular idiocy - or, at least, learn what the word "conspiracy" means and stop misusing it?  You use "conspiracy theory" the same way the left uses "racist".

Sorry to hurt your feelings but as has been pointed out by Zimriel I have clearly not taken the time to fully grok the fascinating legal aspects of the issue at stake.

Possibly because I don't care.

Why on earth would I not care?

Probably because the stakes are higher and more immediate than you wish to concede.

It is a problem that this dude got elected.

You are never going to un-elect him.

Damage has been done, is being done by Him and his minions who paved the way over the course of decades.

The fight is today and tomorrow.

I'm sorry if you feel disappointed about how BHO gets to be in the Captain's chair overseeing this clusterfuck of a Congress rather than HRC but I, personally, don't give a shit.

Barack Hussein Obama is a very mediocre man of small presence and little intellect who was catapulted into a position of great power by a confluence of interest groups pursuing a decades old agenda.

He is not the problem.

He is a symptom.

266

FUCKING STANDING OVATION FOR DAGNY.

Good work sir.

 

267 Inch ... another thing.  We were way too late in the GOTV effort.  Not sure if you were here, but Ace got everyone here fired up to GOTV but it was a week or two before the election.  If we can get that kind of energy going months BEFORE the election ....

We all need to do our part.  Get your ass out and talk to everyone ... your neighbors, your tellers, grocery store, everywhere ... NOW and continue until Nov 2.  Remind them that BoZo HAS raised taxes on everyone, about 6+ billion and counting.  Get your facts straight and inform the uninformed.

Although, some people can never be educated.

268 Indeed, it would seem your president's loyalties could be legitimately questioned.

269 If a court found Obama ineligible then that might have some bearing on the 2012 race, wouldn't you think?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 17, 2010 04:55 PM (ip+Rc)

Of course, I just think the court would say the place to decide this is in the congress.

270 oops ... $670 billion + and counting. 

271 the army    doctor who is questioning the birth issue is given a court martial than he will be entitled to request proof of birth, passport, and grades (who paid for the education) in order to prove his point in court..

That has already been tried and the court said that he lacked standing.

Posted by: Vic at April 17, 2010 04:57 PM (QrA9E)

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That was different.  That was a quo warranto case in federal court.  If this doctor, Lakin, is court martialed (which the army avoided in another earlier case by just rescinding the orders without complaint) then he will likely be entitled to discovery.  I can't say that I would be surprised if he were denied it, but he should get basic discovery for his case.

272 266

Denigrating the people that want to see Obama's (real) long form birth certificate, rather than settling for the abstract provided by Hawaii are doing nothing more than helping the other side. When you spit on your own friends to prove how "fair" you can be to the Dems, that in the end will always hate you, you are marked as an imbecile who's judgment cannot be trusted.

If this really were a non-issue, Obama would simply provide a copy of the long form and be done with it. Instead, he is spending millions to fight having to show it and that ALONE should be a HUGE red flag to anyone with half a brain. That is not how things work in the real world, and not how things work for Obama (no matter what world he thinks he lives in) either.

The "Easter Egg" in the entire birth certificate controversy probably isn't that he was born in Kenya, but could be something else that is extremely damaging or embarrassing that no one is talking about now, and that truth needs to be run to ground. In the meantime use Obama's refusals to provide that document as another means to question his legitimacy and to give the Dems just one more thing they have to counter.

If you denigrate and make fun of those that want Obama's positive proof of his 'identity', then you are a litmus test FAIL in my book.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at April 17, 2010 04:51 PM (F09Uo)

Bravo, sir.

273 I think that "sovereignty" is one of the dirtiest words in the US, these days - though "Constitutionality" comes pretty close.

I'm still waiting for a Lefty to explain to me why the US is the only country in the world not allowed to have sovereignty over itself.

274

If Obama was found to be ineligible by a court.  He would not be President.

Btw.  There is one more means to remove a President or Faux, really groovy black President.   And it involves pitchforks, tar and feathers.

 

275

Of course, I just think the court would say the place to decide this is in the congress.

Posted by: robtr at April 17, 2010 05:02 PM (fwSHf)

Maybe. Maybe he would resign immediately (ala Nixon) after Watergate. Who knows, but if for no other reason it kills his prospects DEAD in 2012, and if the Dems in Congress will let his illegitimacy slide, then we may use that to end the careers of many more than we otherwise could, and rarely are you ever handed that kind of automatic WIN in life.

276 277 Indeed, it would seem your president's loyalties could be legitimately questioned.

Posted by: Teal'c at April 17, 2010 05:01 PM (Gtr+D)

SHOL'VAH!

277

Excellent Jim in San Diego.   Red flags indeed.   Obama will CRASH and BURN.  Without a doubt.   There is a reason he is  hiding his paper trail.

THERE IS A REASON.   WHAT IS THE REASON.

278

 but could be something else that is extremely damaging or embarrassing that no one is talking about now, and that truth needs to be run to ground.

That he's actually a girl? Or would that help his cause?

279 how did we end up talking about birthers?

280

Bravo, sir.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 17, 2010 05:04 PM (ip+Rc)

And thank YOU good sir! I now relinquish my remaining time to the representative of the Great Undead State.

281 Look, let's cut through the bullshit:  the

British nationality Act of 1948: does not refer to Kenya at all.   That act did not convey British "citizenship" on Kenyans.

"(3) The following are the countries hereinbefore referred to, that is to say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Newfoundland, India, Pakistan, Southern Rhodesia and Ceylon".

That act, plus others preceeding it, conveyed UPON BRITISH SUBJECTS a whole bunch of different statuses short of what WE call citizenship, one of which was that certain nationals of certain colonies, protectorates, etc. could not live in Mother England.   Also, voting rights were not conveyed. 

Does anyone really think the Brits conveyed citizenship as we know it to all the hundreds of millions of people who were subject to the British crown.  What they did was to make a bunch of people Commonwealth Citizens, a whole different status that is NOT the same as a citizen "owing allegiance" in the historical sense

Go out and read the various articles about this :  there is NO agreement that Barry was ever a British subject, either directly or through the descent of his father.  Please take note that citizens of the Republic of Kenya are NOT British "citizens", so ask yourself how Barry's father could ever have been, given that in 1948 Kenya and the Brits were in about to enter into a period of political turmoil and violence.

     Ask yourself further how an American court could pick its way through a thicket of complex British law and come up with an "answer" that would be logically compelling ----ESPECIALLY since the courts and congress have broadened  what qualifies as being "natural born".

As for Indonesia:  unless Barry formally renounced his citizenship before a US official it matters not a whit that he may have met Indonesian requirements to obtain a passport.  NOTHING his birth or adoptive parents could have done would have allowed them to take away Barry's US citizenship. THAT'S WELL-ESTABLISHED LAW.  Stuff about how people couldn't go to school in Indonesia w/o being citizens is simply bullbleep.

Having said that, I suspect Barry's hiding his "original" birth cert because it might say his mom and dad were not married.  But that would STRENGTHEN those who argue, as I do, that he was natural born, as what ever extent the Nationality Act of 1946 applied to his father, that Act speaks directly to legitimate in-wedlock births.

And if anyone wants to argue that single moms in Hawaii don't give birth to natural born citizens, please have at it!

I also suspect Barry gamed the system by using his Indonesian passport when it suited him, and by posing as a "foreign student" when it gained him perferences and AQA status. 

SO what I would like to see are his grade transcripts, his application for financial aid, the formal notice that he took and passed the Illinois bar exam (I freakin doubt it),  and whether he ever claimed to be anything other than a US citizen.

 

 

 

 

282 There are only two people who I think SCOTUS would grant standing to. Those are John McCain and Hillary Clinton.

How likely is it that either one of them would file a case?

Mot much.

283 It could be interesting if in 2012 a leading GOP Presidential hopeful would, when announcing their candidacy, hold up their own long form birth certificate as proof of their own Constitutional eligibility for the office, saying, "Now I'm not saying that anyone else running in this election isn't eligible! I just want to make it clear that I am! After all, in 2008 John McCain had to prove it to Congress that he was!"

284 It could be interesting if in 2012 a leading GOP Presidential hopeful would, when announcing their candidacy, hold up their own long form birth certificate as proof of their own Constitutional eligibility for the office, saying, "Now I'm not saying that anyone else running in this election isn't eligible! I just want to make it clear that I am! After all, in 2008 John McCain had to prove it to Congress that he was!"

In AZ, a new bill states a candidate for presidency HAS to prove he is a US citizen or he's not on the ballot.

285 >>>Sorry to hurt your feelings but as has been pointed out by Zimriel I have clearly not taken the time to fully grok the fascinating legal aspects of the issue at stake.

You don't hurt my feelings, but if you aren't fully aware of the legal issues then maybe you should refrain from commenting and slapping incorrect labels on them?  Just a thought.

>>>Possibly because I don't care.

>>>Why on earth would I not care?

>>>Probably because the stakes are higher and more immediate than you wish to concede.

If you believe this, then you have not a clue as to what I acknowledge the stakes to be.  The fact is that you likely don't realize the stakes, which is why you don't care so much about this.

>>>It is a problem that this dude got elected.

>>>You are never going to un-elect him.

First of all, we are not a Democracy.  That was a major issue that our Founders pondered and chose, instead, to imbue this nation with a Republic.  This, of course, was the same issue as occurred in Honduras, where The Precedent came down on the side of Democracy over Republic.

No matter who the people elect, if that person is ineligible, then s/he cannot assume office.  Period.  End of story.

>>>Damage has been done, is being done by Him and his minions who paved the way over the course of decades.

>>>The fight is today and tomorrow.

Yeah ... I don't see your point, since I am arguing about the present and the immediacy of the problem.

>>>I'm sorry if you feel disappointed about how BHO gets to be in the Captain's chair overseeing this clusterfuck of a Congress rather than HRC but I, personally, don't give a shit.

Huh?  What the fuck are you talking about?

>>>Barack Hussein Obama is a very mediocre man of small presence and little intellect who was catapulted into a position of great power by a confluence of interest groups pursuing a decades old agenda.

Not really.  He is less than mediocre (that's for sure) but he came to power because the US suffered a psychotic break during the credit crisis and that, along with intense white guilt, pushed them to vote for national suicide on Nov 4th, 2008.  The media worked as his toadies, but that's nothing new.

>>>He is not the problem.

>>>He is a symptom.

>>>Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2010 05:00 PM (aVzyR)

Incorrect.  The Indonesian Imbecile IS the problem.  If you don't realize that, then you don't understand what's going on.  Congress never would have done what it did with the Porkulus or health scare, had it not been for the America-hater in the White House pushing them to do it.  That is easy enough to see.  Of course, now that the precedents have been set, we will have continuing chaos in our federal government for quite some time (outlasting the instact nature of the US, I would say) which is why this needed to be stopped before it started.

Evidently, you have never read any of my posts, before.

286 In my opinion voters overlooked a bunch of missing crap in Obama's background because they wanted to pull the lever for the first black president. It won't happen again in 2012.

287 And thank YOU good sir! I now relinquish my remaining time to the representative of the Great Undead State.

Ladies and gentlemen of the chamber, my constituents are shambling human-flesh-consuming re-animated corpses with no higher brain function, and even they refuse to swallow Obama's backstory.

288

Ladies and gentlemen of the chamber, my constituents are shambling human-flesh-consuming re-animated corpses with no higher brain function

You forgot the val u rite

289

Posted by: robtr at April 17, 2010 05:15 PM (fwSHf)

You might be right. Being white isn't exactly fashionable nowadays.

290

Gus

Good work sir.

Thank you. I do prefer Ma'am though

 

I don't think we are going to get anywhere on the issue though. Mostly because most of the right has ingested the left's humiliation instead of seeing it as a manipulation. If we don't learn to attack instead of cower, and for now I mean, verbally and politically, it's over. I've always thought the long form says he's caucasian. Without his "historic black" meme, he's a loser.

291

Obama is the problem. 

292 Obama is a problem, a big one. Communist/socialist/marxist infiltration of our government is the problem.

293 If you denigrate and make fun of those that want Obama's positive proof of his 'identity', then you are a litmus test FAIL in my book.

Sorry Jim in San Diego.  Hate to hear that I am a litmus test FAIL in your book because mostly I get the feeling that I'd like you a lot as a person.

I will admit to denigrating the whole "positive proof of identity" camp because really, I don't think that they will ever be satisfied by any documentation.

They know that there is something fishy about this dude and they are right.

I don't think that I have made fun of them per se but I will admit to being a little bit frustrated as of late by the energy and passion I see wasted in a bootless attempt to deny the legitimacy of the guy who is our President.

This guy in the White House is to, his bones, Anti-American.

He is also a product of America.

A certain whack-a-doodle, hateful and destructive segment of America to be sure but definitely one of the fruits of this country and it's culture this past 40 some years.

Why is this so hard to understand?

294 Without his "historic black" meme, he's a loser.

He's a loser in general.

But I knew what you meant.

295 Since Bernie Sanders can openly admit he is a socialist and get elected in the US, we definetly have a problem Houston.

296

Sorry Ma'am, again great post.  The Right and Republicans do not fight back.

Nora O'Donnell should have been ridiculed for the stupid bitch that she is.

When Nora O'Donnell suggested Neuetered Gingrich was being racial when referring to Opie as an "athlete"  the Right from Huckabee to Palin should have ridiculed O'Donnell.   Instead the Right accepts the narative and hopes like hell that the media won't fuck them next.

The fact is that Obama is HIDING THINGS to deny that is beyond stupid.

When Obama makes mention of birthers, we should not be intimidated. We should say FUCKING DANG STRAITS (HEHEHEHE) OPIE, show us your past or shut the fuck up.

297 Also, I'm not quite as sanguine as you about BHO and the characters who surround him in the WH, saying "Oops! My Bad!" and gracefully stepping aside once He is shown as not technically eligible for the White House

If somebody ever presents credible evidence that Obama is not eligible for office, then he is leaving office regardless of whether he wants to.

How exactly do you envision this sort of peaceful transfer of power taking place?

When did I ever say anything about a peaceful transfer of power.  If all of civilization burns, then it was Obama who set the fire.


I'm not a birther.  I will not argue either way about whether that piece of shit is eligible to hold office because his past has been deliberately obscured.

However, I am sick of hearing the argument that nothing can be done about it now if credible evidence showing that he is ineligible for office suddenly surfaces.  If that ever happens, my response is mine alone to formulate.

298 We mustn't forget that the WH journalists (gag me) have admitted they are "saving" news items for their future books.  They KNOW something and aren't telling.   We should hang them for treason.

299

Deety, you are a fool. Obama is paying MILLLLLLIONS  to hide documents from YOU.

Why?

300 This guy in the White House is to, his bones, Anti-American.

He is also a product of America.

Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2010 05:22 PM (aVzyR)

Not really.  He's much more a product of Indonesia, where he really grew up and spent the whole of his formative years (ages 5-10), soaking up third worldness and developing his thirst to exact revenge on the US and the West, as is a sentiment rife throughout the third world.  And, to top it off, his commie Mom dragged him to Indonesia just as a commie dictator had finally been tossed out with much violence by a somewhat US-friendly one.  That was where the Indonesian Imbecile grew up and formed his main view of the world.  You have to look no further to see why he is how he is, though the rest of his life was just steeped in even more marxism and America-hate.

301 I didn't really understand, eventhough I sorta knew it on an intellectual level, how many overt communists there were in the US before WWII. I recently read (ugh) a biography of Dorthy Day which made it very clear that there was an extremely large communist presense in the US before the war. McCarthy was absolutely right in seeking to expose them and typically was alinskyed by the left. Thereafter anyone who used red as a slur was made fun of as insane. These evil forces have been at it for a while. Obama is their chess queen.

302 MIKEO.   You and Dagny are my heroes today.

303 Story at Fox:

Bill Ares is suing the Univ of Wyoming because he was prohibited from giving a speech there.

I don't think that "freedom of speech" thing is what he thinks it is.

304 Frankly,  I think the "natural born citizen" angle is NOT why he is hiding that birth certificate.   I think it more likely that there are other reasons that it is hidden.  Possibilities include:

1.  His father was not Barack Obama, Sr.  but Frank Marshall Davis
2.  His parents (whoever they were) never married
3.  His race was written as something other then Negro (which would have been the terminology at the time)


#1 would remove his entire narrative in his biography.  In addition,  his father would have been a communist.

#2 also removes the narrative,  making his mother a liar or him

#3 would show his mother was ashamed of his race

It's very interesting to me how all of his documents are sealed.  We had to learn about George Bush's dental visits and all of his school records,  but on this guy we get nothing.  And what's even more interesting is that no one in the press bats an eye.

305 312 He can stand on the street corner and deliver his speech. He's sueing because the state won't PAY him to give his speech. There's a difference.

306 From the story (from AP so grain of salt)

Ayers, who is a professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago, makes college speeches and is routinely picketed, but the University of Wyoming last week banned him from using any university venue for a planned April 28 lecture.

Ayers and student Meg Lanker sued on Thursday, asking a federal judge to issue an injunction and allow the lecture. The lawsuit alleges the ban violates free speech rights and the freedom to assemble.

307 315 Good for Meg Lanker. Let's elect her to congress

308 Miss Marple, regarding your first point: I believe Barack Obama Sr. was also a communist.

309 Sorry Jim in San Diego.  Hate to hear that I am a litmus test FAIL in your book because mostly I get the feeling that I'd like you a lot as a person.

I will admit to denigrating the whole "positive proof of identity" camp because really, I don't think that they will ever be satisfied by any documentation.

They know that there is something fishy about this dude and they are right.

I don't think that I have made fun of them per se but I will admit to being a little bit frustrated as of late by the energy and passion I see wasted in a bootless attempt to deny the legitimacy of the guy who is our President.

This guy in the White House is to, his bones, Anti-American.

He is also a product of America.

A certain whack-a-doodle, hateful and destructive segment of America to be sure but definitely one of the fruits of this country and it's culture this past 40 some years.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Posted by: Deety at April 17, 2010 05:22 PM (aVzyR)

You would like me as a person because I'm so frigging awesome.

Don't worry about what level of documentation that the "positive identity and heritage crowd" (I just made that term up) will demand until we cross that bridge. If Obama produces the long form of his birth certificate and that raises more questions then we should ask them. Who cares how long it goes. The longer that issue leads, the harder the Dem beast bleeds.

You could speculate about the future intentions of the lunatic fringe of the lunatic fringe forever and never have an answer, so don't worry about it until we cross that bridge. If those people then go too far (whatever that may be) then call them on it at that time. As it stands now we have nothing of substances in the Obama documentation area and that has been engineered for a purpose by the Obama camp because it helps them. We should not aid and abet them in hiding the truth.

310 Whoops. I thought she was the one who wanted to keep him out. George Mason in Va was going to have some douchebag lecture and the state legislature stopped it. Hopefully the same thing happened in Wyoming.

311 I think pretty much half of our population needs to be boiled away into space, they are just too fucking stupid anymore and can;t tell their asshole from a hole in the ground. I was watching the fuck face fuck talk about how people claim he is a socialist but can never offer proof. Well, for one thing, people all across the country have been offering proof  in one way or another. Real easy , if you support and press for traditionally socialist programs, get props from 3rd world socialist dictators on your efforts, hang with fucking communists your whole frigging life, systematically take over one industry after another, preach redistribution of wealth, side with wannabee marxist dictators in south america and come down hard on the democracies that oust them....then dude, you are a dyed in the wool GRADE A fucking socialist, not to mention an America hating asshole of the highest order.

The other thing, as he giggles and says nobody can prove it, I couldn't help thinking that this is just what the criminals say to the courts....you got no proof. If somebody accused me of being a socialist I would remove their teeth and then give them one long ass laundry list of PRO American stuff I did in my life. All this marxist douchebag did was say "hey, you got no proof". THAT was very telling, and nobody seemed to pick up on it.

312
I have a birth certificate.  It's not a "long form" birth certificate, it's just a birth certificate. 

313

Deety, you are a fool. Obama is paying MILLLLLLIONS  to hide documents from YOU.

Why?

Well, if he's paying millions to hide documentation, I'm glad to hear it.

I don't think that he's hiding it from ME particularly because I had this Marxist jackass pretty much pegged from day one.

Still not impressed by him.

Was never, would never have been swayed by his personal biography, which is what the media used to propel him to his current office.

That's what the MSM got all of the stupid-ass voters out there to focus on in 2008.  His personal biography.

Did you vote for him in 2008 based on that criteria?

Did you not know then that it was all bullshit and are just waking up to the fact now that this guy might not be all that the MSM told you he was?

What the fuck do I care now if this dude is a really bastard or got diddled by some communist poet?

He's the god-damned President until 2013.

Sucks.

Will suck.

But no, I'm not really looking forward to all of civilization burning like MikeO. is.

I'm 5'3" and about 103 lbs. max.  People like me tend not to do well in such situations as a rule.

314 Hmmmm.

Sooooo.  Let's say a public corporation is deemed to fall under this law ... let's call it ... "FoxNews" ... then these agencies can immediately seize this company and it's assets and then basically void it out as if it had never been?

Wow.

Pharoah Obama: "So let it be written, so let it be done ... gimme my goddamn waffle!".

315 Thread's dead, Jim.  *pokes*

316 Its only a flesh wound!  I'll be right as rain in a bit!!

317

Thread's dead, Jim.  *pokes*

It's not just dead, turkey vultures have picked it clean and the bones have bleached under the blazing Mojave sun.

Unless you know some cool voodoo spell that will revive it, of course.

318

Am I right about this?

Everyone really has two Birth Certificate's

1. The one with your hand and feet print on the back. That one is really worthless.

2. The Certificate of Live Birth. This is the one that counts.

319 @326

Did someone mention "zombies"?

320 You would like me as a person because I'm so frigging awesome.

See.

I just know these things.

Without being told, no documentation whatsoever.

Although, I'll have to admit that I do enjoy having my intuitions confirmed by a primary source.

321 I'm feeling much better now. I think I'll go for a walk

322 "The bill allows a 2/3 vote of the Financial Stability Oversight Council to deem any firm (financial or non-financial) as coming under its rubric and then authorizes the FDIC and Treasury Secretary to treat each of the firm's shareholders and creditors as they choose, without regard to bankruptcy law. " I'm still freaked out by that. I know its summary not actual bill but *ANY FIRM* that could stretch to Fox News or EIB network. Yeah I haven't read the 1400 pages of bill to see if they are restricting themselves elsewhere to firms with insecure debts but but but its scary as hell with this government.

323 #326  Unless you know some cool voodoo spell that will revive it, of course.

Outside my expertise. 

324 @328
In Pennsylvania, it's called a birth certificate, but the thing that makes it official is the seal.  The state can issue you one on demand.  That COLB thing may just be certain states.

325

O/T:  I was reading the pjtv story about TEA Party crashers.  I thought this caption was funny:

Once in the rally itself, for some reason they [the crashers] picked on the Ayn Rand Objectivists, and starting barking at them about marijuana. The Objectivists looked a little confused at the bizarre verbal assult.

Since, of course, they couldn't care less who smokes marijuana.  Heh. 

326
Thread's dead, Jim.  *pokes*

Not really, broseph. It's kinda lively, actually. It was pretty good, too, until the g'ould showed up.

327 332
...
I'm still freaked out by that. I know its summary not actual bill but *ANY FIRM* that could stretch to Fox News or EIB network. Yeah I haven't read the 1400 pages of bill to see if they are restricting themselves elsewhere to firms with insecure debts but but but its scary as hell with this government.


Any bets on there also being something that says businesses can't close down if they want to?

328 @335

So do the Rand folks and Libertarians just dismiss the notion of the rule of law?  I really have a hard time taking seriously any U.S. political movement that seems intent on ignoring laws with which it doesn't agree. 

329 In Ga. you get both.

330

@335

So do the Rand folks and Libertarians just dismiss the notion of the rule of law?  I really have a hard time taking seriously any U.S. political movement that seems intent on ignoring laws with which it doesn't agree. 

 

as someone who considers himself kind of a Rand-type, where do you get that notion?

331 But no, I'm not really looking forward to all of civilization burning like MikeO. is.

When did I ever say that I was looking forward to it? 

Does pushing your head in the sand make you feel that much better?  Does it also grant you the authority to decide for me what I should do about it?

You anti-birthers are Obama's useful idiots.  Whether you know it or not, you travel with him.  Can't you just leave them be and simply accept that there isn't enough evidence to make the call that he is eligible or ineligible?


Think it over for a minute:  If unimpeachable evidence that Obama is ineligible for office suddenly surfaced tomorrow, then what do you think will happen?

If he uses the power of the executive branch to maintain power, then what?  Does everyone pretend like it's all a bad dream that will go away by itself?

If he leaves office, then what do we do about all his executive orders and anything he signed into law?

What about agreements his State Department has entered with foreign countries?  What about the commissions he signed to appoint officers to our armed forces?  What about the authority of federal law enforcement agencies and the disposition of active prosecutions?

The shit would hit the fan hard, and everyone will be wearing splatter.  If this happens, the people responsible are Obama and everyone who helped him obscure his past--including the anti-birthers.

We are not facing this [admittedly outlandish] scenario because of anything *I* did.

332

Oooooo. This thread is looking quite robust.

Besides, it's all we got...last man on earth thing...

333 as someone who considers himself kind of a Rand-type, where do you get that notion?

I am fuzzy on where the Libertarians and Randians overlap, but most of the Libertarians I know seem to pick and choose which laws they'll follow.  And the objectivist pages I've seen seem to emphasize personal happiness to such an extent that it left it open to me whether or not that would be sacrificed for the common good (or rule of law). 

But I really don't know much at all about Rand. 

334

@335

So do the Rand folks and Libertarians just dismiss the notion of the rule of law?  I really have a hard time taking seriously any U.S. political movement that seems intent on ignoring laws with which it doesn't agree. 
I don't care if people smoke pot. I understand it is illegal and there are consequences. I am not advocating it or doing it myself, but i don't care if other people do it. It's their bodies and if they wish to destroy them they are free to are they not?

Personally I think our drug laws are stupid and get people killed in mexico and the south west. If marijuana, at the very least, was legalized, i would be willing to be their would be a large drop in crime and a massive destabilization of cartels. I know they make a lot of money off coke and herion, but marijuana is a big cash crop as well.

335

Unless you know some cool voodoo spell that will revive it, of course.

Posted by: ErikW at April 17, 2010 06:05 PM (HfLVv)

I don't know about a spell, but if The Precedent wanted to hold an obvious joke summit to revive this thread, the GOP would happily play along.

336

341 It would be interesting to see what happens. Congress vs the Supreme Court. Would Biden take over or would the election become null and void? Would Pelosi be president? Would there be a special election?

Interesting.

It's not gonna happen because whomever found evidence would end up in Ft Marcy park.

337

http://tinyurl.com/dn35t2

 

y-not, here is a good interview of Ayn Rand by playboy. this is from the 60s i think. it's a pretty good synopsis and is a shorter read than the 1300 paged Atlas Shrugged, which is a great book.

338 That incident in #335 still has me giggling.

339 So do the Rand folks and Libertarians just dismiss the notion of the rule of law?  I really have a hard time taking seriously any U.S. political movement that seems intent on ignoring laws with which it doesn't agree.

I would think that a really hard-core Libertarian or Objectivist would be totally off the grid and so I wouldn't really hear from them.

The rest just spend their time bitching about the laws that they don't like and what a waste of time it is for anybody else to try to change them.

340 Yeah I haven't read the 1400 pages of bill to see if they are restricting themselves elsewhere to firms with insecure debts but but but its scary as hell with this government. Nancy? Is that you?

341 There are NO NEW POSTS, DAAAAAMMMITTTTT!!!!

342 I am not advocating it or doing it myself, but i don't care if other people do it.

I gotta leave the thread to go out, but I guess for me it does matter if people break laws, even if I think they are stupid laws.  I think it's important that we all buy into the concept that we obey laws. 

But I'm the kind of gal who stops at every stop light, even on an isolated road at 3 am. 

My D&D alignment is best described as lawful-lawful!  ;-)

343 obama is about to have a nervous breakdown, we need tea parties is Washington every other week to keep him on the run.

344 344 It's coke. http://tinyurl.com/y2xx3bu
The cartels aren't going away if we legalize pot regarless of how much the potheads want it to happen.

345 You anti-birthers are Obama's useful idiots. Whether you know it or not, you travel with him. Yeah!!! Silence is death, Man!!

346 353 obama is about to have a nervous breakdown, we need tea parties is Washington every other week to keep him on the run.

If nothing else, since he finds them so amusing, it will possibly lead to such uncontrollable giggling that he pees his pants. 

347 @347
Thanks.  Will look at it after dinner.  Cheers.

348

That's the sentence I keep going back to, PaleRider.

A supermajority of some bogus committee is the only obstacle a couple of appointed officals have from doing whatever they want to any company.

Run some scenarios: Say there are three car makers in the country, and the one that the government doesn't control is the only one doing well. Or there are two supermarkets in your town and only one has unionized workers. Or a bank holds the paper on a lot of houses in a district represented by an outskpoken congressman. Or a very successful company pays its people very well.

All of a sudden, Ford or Safeway or First Niagara or whoever is deemed "systemically risky" and lookee-lookee there are "red flags" in their financial statements.

349

"We're for pot!  We think pot should be legalized!  What's wrong with me smoking pot, man?  We think we shoud be able to smoke pot whenever we want!"

"We think you should be able to smoke pot whenever you want too, um, man.  Knock yourself out."

350 He leaves DC everytime there is a tea party here. Biden too.

351 How hard is it to post something? Do you have perform calculus or use trigonometry?

352 Arrrgh. I'm not the only one to raise this point (and I even mentioned in before in my #205) but I'm going to raise it again because it agitates me so much! (Was telling a friend about this on an email and I'll copy part of it) -------------- 2/3 vote from some council deems ANY FIRM - - - A N Y F I R M - - - as being it's bitch. Checks and Balances? That's SO 18th-20th century. -----------

353 How hard is it to post something? Do you have perform calculus or use trigonometry? It's pretty hard to post post.

354

I'd like nothing better than to declare everything The Vapid One™ did null and void. Aside from the inevitable shitstorm that would surely follow, a case could be made for that very scenario. Everything done in an illegal manner, particularly when it comes to the highest position in the land, should be illegal.

"Sorry, but we fucked up, um, never mind what happened from 2009 until now. We forgot one teensy, weensy thing. But we've got it under control, really, we do."

But, that wouldn't play out too well on the international stage.

So, let's let them have this one and focus on removing as many of these corrupt progressives as we can, shame the Dims into submission, and right this mighty ship.

Obama's not the only problem we have right now.

355 > 361 How hard is it to post something? Do you have perform calculus or use trigonometry? Posted by: Dr. Spank Pretty much. You have to HTML something and I don't want to break the blog. If you think the comment editing is primitive, you ought to get a load of the posting interface!

356

I'm hearing you, Comrade Arthur.

The other gem/turd is "without regard to bankruptcy law." Have fun with that one.

357 Psst!  Hey buddy.  Wanna buy a watch?  _{^{*opens trench coat to display wares*}}

358 Do I even want a recap on this one, or did someone start a drunk fight in the living room & leave a mess?

359

"When Nora O'Donnell suggested Neuetered Gingrich was being racial when referring to Opie as an "athlete""

nora O'Donneld is the racist, if I was Newt, I would have replied, "wow, that's pretty racist of you to think that all AA are good at is atheletics, and nothing else"

360 It would be interesting to see what happens. Congress vs the Supreme Court. Would Biden take over or would the election become null and void? Would Pelosi be president? Would there be a special election?

It would be chaos.  We've lost our ideals, and the most dangerous consequence is that we no longer have a common culture to carry us through such a catastrophe.

361 But, that wouldn't play out too well on the international stage.

And the last fifteen months have been *that* much better?

362
You anti-birthers are Obama's useful idiots. Whether you know it or not, you travel with him.


LOL. 

363

368 Do I even want a recap on this one, or did someone start a drunk fight in the living room & leave a mess?
.........................................

not really a drunk fight, but some sort of mess...  been kinda hard to follow.

364

Re: TEA Party crashers, call them...

Meatspace Mobies

365

I'm going to take a nap

366 O'bama is now calling Republicans "cynical" for opposing this.  If opposing a permanent taxpayer-funded bailout for "The Chosen Companies" is cynical, count me in, brother!  This clown will never let go of anything designed to move us into Marxism.

367 The dearth of posts is just the cob loggers' way of telling us to get a life, isn't it?

368 LOL. 

Yeah.  Funny as a heart attack.

Anti-birthers choose to attack the birthers when they could instead do like I do and STFU.  They can roll their eyes like OJ Simpson in a courtroom for all I care, but whenever they speak out against the birthers, they are carrying Obama's water for him.

369

That's some pretty heavy shit, Mike Zero.

370
Are Libertarians Anti-Government?

Short answer:  No.  (limited government is the actual answer)

"The term “anti-government” is getting tossed around a lot these days, and used rather indiscriminately to describe libertarians, libertarian-ish Tea-Partiers, hatee groups, and violent individuals (not to mention opponents of specific leaders and regimes in countries around the world). That’s a pretty wide spectrum, and journalists and politicans ought to be more careful with their language. In the meantime... [here's this:]

 For the past several years, especially since the Oklahoma City bombing, the national media have focused a lot of attention on “anti-government” extremists. Libertarians, who are critical of a great deal that government does, have unfortunately but perhaps understandably been tossed into the “anti-government” camp by many journalists.

There are two problems with this identification. The first and most obvious is that many of the so-called anti-government groups are racist or violent or both, and being identified with them verges on libel."

...

371 I really have a hard time taking seriously any U.S. political movement that seems intent on ignoring laws with which it doesn't agree.

I used to check out the Rand site regularly and I don't recall them ever advocating "ignoring the law".

They advocate eliminating laws that redistribute the wealth. They are not quite the same thing as the libertarians.

372
Libertarians cont...

"The second and ultimately more important problem is that libertarians are not, in any serious sense, “anti-government.” It’s understandable that journalists might refer to people who often criticize both incumbent officeholders and government programs as “anti-government,” but the term is misleading.

A government is a set of institutions through which we adjudicate our disputes, defend our rights, and provide for certain common needs. It derives its authority, at some level and in some way, from the consent of the governed.

Libertarians want people to be able to live peacefully together in civil society. Cooperation is better than coercion. Peaceful coexistence and voluntary cooperation require an institution to protect us from outside threats, deter or punish criminals, and settle the disputes that will inevitably arise among neighbors—a government, in short. Thus, to criticize a wide range of the activities undertaken by federal and state governments—from Social Security to drug prohibition to out-of-control taxation—is not to be “anti-government.” It is simply to insist that what we want is a limited government that attends to its necessary and proper functions."

373 If  you want to watch something fun, go to www.Wave3.com (sorry don't know how to do the linky thingy) and on their site click on "Thunder over Louisville". Live streaming airshow until 9:30 and then a gigantic fireworks that is worth watching. It's the opening of the Kentucky Derby festivities

374 We're in the "famine" part of Vic's named "feast or famine" cycle.

Good thing Rum doesn't live in Israel - Israeli iPad Ban Puzzles Many.

375 wow I did the 'linky thingy"

376
MikeO
WrongO

Birthers  refuse to face the truth and, in turn, keep carrying the left's water with their waste of time nonsense wishful thinking.

377 did someone start a drunk fight in the living room & leave a mess? Yeah?!? Ya wanna say that to my ***HHUUU-UUUURRRRLLL***** sorry

378

Lemon Kitten, #372: LOL.

When you LOL at people who are against people who are against Obama, you're really LOLing with Obama when you should be LOLing at him. Because you're too blind to hear that he's LOLing right back at you!! Well, more deaf than blind really, because that metaphor is more auditory than visual, but your head is in the sand, allowing sand to get into stuff that's part of your head!

If you're not with the people who are against the people who are against the people who are with Obama, then you're against the people who are against the people who are with the people who are against the people who are with Obama!!

(image it all in bold italics)

379

...what we want is a limited government that attends to its necessary and proper functions.

This should be tattooed on the forehead of each and every Congresscritter.

Backwards. (See what I did there?)

So every time they look in a mirror, they'll read it.

380 Anti-birthers choose to attack the birthers when they could instead do like I do and STFU A grip: U needz 2 get one

381
wooooo woooooooooooo woooooooooo
^ siren

thread needs resuscitation, stat! Click this now!

382 Yawn.

383
FireHorse.  Like grains of sand thru the hourglass, so are the days of our lives...

384
some people don't understand the main mission for Democrats is to shit on Republicans.

So when Republicans/Conservatives are shitting on their fellow Republicans/Conservatives they're pretty much giving the Democrats a holiday.

385 Birthers  refuse to face the truth and, in turn, keep carrying the left's water with their waste of time nonsense wishful thinking.

What is the truth?  I don't know what it is.  Have you seen his birth certificate?  I haven't.  You can no more say he is eligible for office than a birther can say that he's not.

Also, it's really nice having you around to decide for everybody what is and what is not a waste of time.

I jumped into this because I am sick and tired of hearing the argument that it's too late to do anything about it now.  If it ever comes to light that Obama was not eligible to be POTUS, then he cast that die when he decided to run.

386 Is it safe?

387 Famine:

Pronunciation: \ˈfa-mən\Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from feim, faim hunger, from Latin famesDate: 14th century

1 : an extreme scarcity of food
2 archaic : starvation  
3 archaic : a ravenous appetite
4 : a great shortage

5: A lack of new threads at AOSHQ

388 Yeah, a "Birther" Food-Fight is just what we need when Barry O is setting-up a never-ending stream of our kids' and their grandkids' money for today's Democrat campaign coffers. Eyes on the ball, folks.

389
lolcatz rox

390 A grip: U needz 2 get one

What's the matter?  If you don't denounce the birthers loudly enough then you won't get invited to the cocktail parties?  Tell Frum and Brooksie I said, "Hey!"

391 Will this win the general election in 2012? Will this flip congressional seats this November? Most of your fellow voters are fairly ignorant. The birth certificate is seen as a fringe issue. It is going to take an enormous change to get it front and center. Health care debacle, socializing parts of the economy, out of control debts are front and center. Win the damn election.

392 Win the damn election.

Tell the GOP to get its head out of its ass and start waging war against the Dems.

393

the whole birth certificate thing.

All that needs to happen is one state signs into law that before any presidential candidate appears on that state's ballot, they must present their orginal BC to the SOS . Not a letter from the DNC verifying the qualifications, but the BC of the candidate must be verified by the SOS of that state.

If this gets signed into law in any state, Obama will not run for a second term since he won't be able to appear on the ballot of that particular state. He has never presented his BC, just his Certificate of live birth. And oh yes, there is a difference between the 2.

For me, I really don't know whtat the truth is, but I get more suspicious because he is spending over 2 million a year hiding all his records, if there is nothing to hide, release all this info. Heck, we have to show our BC just to get a driver's license.

just the humble opinion of an independent voter.

394 Hey, where the white women at?

395 It's time to hang this thread up.

396

O/T:  Ever notice when you're angry and you're quoting someone you waggle your head with that scruntched-up "I smell excrement" face while using a nasally, sneering tone? 

What if bad guys really talked like that?  Like all the way through life or a movie or whatever.  That'd be funny.

"Mom, I'm not making fun of his voice.  He actually sounds like that."

397 Tell the GOP to get its head out of its ass and start waging war against the Dems. Hi Rum! Screw the RNC. Counter-clockwise. With mis-matched threads. Work for local candidates.

398 Time for Purple Avenger to show us his tits.

399 Most of your fellow voters are fairly ignorant. The birth certificate is seen as a fringe issue. It is going to take an enormous change to get it front and center.

Who the hell is pushing it?  I'm not.

What I am saying is that going after the birthers helps Obama. 

Health care debacle, socializing parts of the economy, out of control debts are front and center.

Win the damn election.

If the GOP takes the house this November and Pelosi and Reid jam-down any or all of cap-and-trade, amnesty, a VAT, or card check as a lame-duck "fuck you!" then the million-to-one birther shot will be about the only chance we have at putting things right.

400

What if bad guys really talked like that? 

You need people like that. You need to point your fudging finger at people like that so you can say, "There's a fudging bad guy."

401 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 17, 2010 07:11 PM That sounds like a calm, rational, practical approach. That kind of shit has no place around here ;-)

402 What if bad guys really talked like that?  Like all the way through life or a movie or whatever.  That'd be funny.

WTF?  You don't?  I do.

403 For WTR a shirt:

http://tinyurl.com/y2xznmt

404

You need people like that. You need to point your fudging finger at people like that so you can say, "There's a fudging bad guy."

You need people like that. You need to point your fudging finger at people like that so you can say, "There's a fudging bad guy."  Nya, nyanya, nya nya.  (rolls eyes)

405 Screw the RNC. Counter-clockwise. With mis-matched threads.

Heh. If the RNC just keeled over and died I wouldn't miss it.

Now I'm off to a lobster dinner. See ya, morons. Make sure you clean up the place before Ace gets back.

406 If this gets signed into law in any state, Obama will not run for a second term since he won't be able to appear on the ballot of that particular state.

I don't think he plans on running for a second term anyway.

407 Yoo hoo, we're over here, and we don't need no stinkin' sheriff, black or white.

408 We could blow up this thread if everyone pressed the 'F5' key at the same time.

409 Who the hell is pushing it? I'm not. No, but you sure are willing to smear someone who thinks attention is best focused elsewhere. If the GOP takes the house this November and Pelosi and Reid jam-down any or all of cap-and-trade, amnesty, a VAT, or card check as a lame-duck "fuck you!" I'm willing to take that chance. Flip the House!

410

WTF?  You don't?  I do.

WTF?  You don't?  I do.  Nya nya nya nyanya.

411 Posted by: Vic at April 17, 2010 07:19 PM (QrA9E)

Awesome. I think you just found the Official Moronette Uniform.

412 Just in time for the ONT which will be the next thread.

413

my bet, I hope some ultra red state like ND or WY or UT passes such a law.

 

414 No, but you sure are willing to smear someone who thinks attention is best focused elsewhere.

Yes.  I actually am willing to smear anyone who wants to dictate where other people's attention is best focused.

I'm willing to take that chance. Flip the House!

Same here.

415
209 Zimriel

PS. Chester Arthur was a complete mediocrity as President, by the way. A sack of potatoes would have got more done.

Yes I would, but I couldn't show proof of citizenship.

416 WTF?  You don't?  I do.  Nya nya nya nyanya.

The bitch part is that when I quote good guys who piss me off, I have to unscrunch my face and talk in a "normal" voice.

417

411 Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at April 17, 2010 07:11 PM

That sounds like a calm, rational, practical approach. That kind of shit has no place around here ;-)

.........................................

now that was funny.........

418

Nya nya nya nyanya.

So what does that make you?

Good?

(leaves restaurant)

419

I agree with Mike0

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my friend is my enemy.

420 The enemy of my friend's enemy is my enemy's friend's enemy.

421 No, but you sure are willing to smear someone who thinks attention is best focused elsewhere. Yes. I actually am willing to smear anyone who wants to dictate where other people's attention is best focused. See if you can spot the differences in the two bolded phrases. I'm sure you can. I'm going to eat now and probably won't be back tonight. If you want to discuss this further, we'll cross threads again.

422 I know I get ignored here but is somebody interested in military planes from WWI to now? Biggest airshow and fireworks show in US. www.Wave3.com. It's really good

423

Look, they did the same thing with the birth thing that they have done with everything else; they take a perfectly valid issue, isolate it and make us look like fools if we mention it . Here is a partial list:

\

Joseph McCarthy

Iran Contra

Global Warming

Obama's background/bill ayres/rev wright et al

Sarah Palin

Intern sex

Bowing

Socialism

Tea Parties

Muslim "rights"

Gitmo

Glenn Beck

Rush Limbaugh

Vietnam

Iraq

etc etc etc

Then the right, assuming the mantle of fool and not liking it, backpedals to look cool: see Newt, Graham, Brooks, Newt, Frum, McCain, etc etc

Right then slaps head and says, Lefties you are right! That was a stupid issue. I will now go out and beat up on the remaining right who didn't see how wise the left really is!

 

 

424 See if you can spot the differences in the two bolded phrases.

There is no substantive difference.  My version is more asshole-y, but it means the same thing: 

The anti-birther attacks birthers because the anti-birther thinks the birthers should be focusing their attention elsewhere.

or:

The anti-birther attacks birthers as a way of telling the birthers that they should be focusing their attention elsewhere.

What difference does that make?

425 The B1B Bomber will be making a fly by in front of about 800.000 people which usually gets them on their feet just by the roar alone

426
That's it. I'm calling it.

/checks watch

Time of death: 19:55

Sam, let's go grab some chink food.

427
Ma Bell, you from KY?

428

Ma Bell, you from KY?

Yep

 

429 The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The enemy of my friend is my enemy.

No offense, dagny, but it's a little more clear-cut than that to me.  The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy.  So long as my enemy's enemy is not threatening to me, then I should leave him be.  And, if my enemy's enemy might have a point, then he might someday be my friend, and it would be stupid to burn bridges.

An anti-birther close to me told me that he's embarrassed by birthers.  I asked him if he was a birther.  He said, "of course not."  So, why, then, should he be embarrassed by birthers?

It's bad enough worrying about what others might think of your beliefs.  It's downright suicidal to worry about what people might think of beliefs you don't hold that they try to pin on you through some loose association.  You may as well be handing your opponent a scimitar while baring your neck.

I have to run out to dinner.

430 What's happened to this place?

431 Well I live in KY. I am from Germany but my daughters are in the AF (one is in Iraq right now) and I am very proud of that airshow and how they highlight our military

432
hey y'all, former resident of Shelby county, here

433 Hardin County here, just south of Ft. Knox

434
oh boy that's the sticks

435 Not anymore, didn't you hear we went from dry county to moist county

436 Here comes the B1

437

Good News: The ONT thread is up.

Bad News: You're looking at it now.

438
MikeO, I know some Republicans who are embarrassed by pro-life Republicans and Republicans from the South.

Mike Voinovich is one of them.

439 Holy shit

440 went afterburner

441
what's that mean, you got booze you can buy legally now, haha?

442 All I've got to say is (1) fajita taco salad is awesome, (2) Newfoundlands are adorable, & (3) bathing cats is hard work.

443 Gee I am shocked, shocked to learn that Obama is a lying dirtbag.

444
it'd be cool if it dropped a bunch of water balloons on the crowd

well, maybe not

445

451
what's that mean, you got booze you can buy legally now, haha?

In Restaurants. If you want your own shit you still have to go to the Liquor store in the next county

446 There are still dry counties? I have to say I am surprised.

447 Hell, a friend of mine still has the best moonshine you can buy anywhere and I get a special deal because I let him use my pool. $2 a gallon. Can't beat that

448 Parts of East TX were dry for some time. Some of the older locals have told me about bootlegging during the '60s & '70s.

449

Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 17, 2010 08:08 PM (ouySy)

I guess you know " Thunder"

450
hahaha, when I lived there in '98, I couldn't believe people were still making moonshine.

But then I remembered my ginzo-kin up here makes their own wine, so...

451
Up here in Massachusetts, we used to have 'blue laws' and liquor stores couldn't open on Sundays. It was nice because Sundays were quiet because most stores would be closed, but then malls and other retail stores started to open on Sundays and then liquor stores were allowed to open, too.

Now it's busy up here 24/7. What a shame.

452 Newfoundlands might be adorable but they cost more to feed than two or three teenagers .

453

I didn't mind the blue laws. In Va all the hard alcohol stores are closed on Sunday but you can buy beer and wine at the grocery. In NC in the 80s the beer and wine were covered on Sunday in the grocery stores.

Do dry counties have less crime, dwi, etc.?

454 Look on e-bay at all the wine making and moonshine making stuff on there. That will give you a hint at how many people are still making it.

455

Posted by: Dynomutt After Dark at April 17, 2010 08:17 PM (ouySy)

Certain counties here don't sell at all on Sundays, some sell after 4 o'clock pm and some are still dry all year long. Here, if you go to a restaurant on Sunday, you can't have a drink with your meal until after 5pm

456 That $50 billion comes from the banks. It is not taxpayer $'s. Yet more misinformation from this site.

457 462 Newfoundlands might be adorable but they cost more to feed than two or three teenagers .

Well, I wouldn't be able to have one as a pet, but they're good dogs. I went to the pet store today, & there's a man who brings his Newfoundlands so that people can pet them. Both dogs are therapy dogs, so they are even more well-behaved & they love people.

458 #463  Quick Google search brought this post up.

Study shows that wet counties actually have lower numbers of Texas DWI arrests

However, It only makes sense that dry counties would have more driving while intoxicated arrests than wet counties if you think of it in simple logistical terms. If you are in a dry county at home or a get together and you run out of alcohol and you have to drive a longer distance to get more, your chances of getting arrested for DWI are going to go up. As a Texas DWI lawyer in Austin who has seen DWI arrests across the state, it is clear that these statistics indirectly prove one other fact and that is even if you ban alcohol people who want to drink will drive the distance to get it regardless.

Short answer - it's not clear/cut.

459 Just because the county is dry don't mean shit. People just drive farther to get their liquor. DWI's and crime is still the same

460 Do dry counties have less crime, dwi, etc.?

I don't have any stats, but it's been my experience that dry counties here in Texas tend to be nicer. They also tend to be smaller, so it may just be that, always pisses me off to have to drive an hour or two for beer though.

461 What's really dry now is this blog's content.

Is this some sort of psych test or incentive for us to get "lives"? 

462 But Officer Revenooer!  That aint a stil for making 'shine, it's for ethanol.  I'm GREEN, man.

463 Hey, where is my entertainment?

464 One hour to "Thunder"

465 mmm,,,let me google that

466
What's really dry now is this blog's content.

ohhhhhhh, look who's clever, all of a sudden

our boy is becoming a man...-ish boy

467

I was just interested in how they have stayed blue. If they can't prove that it improves the county in some tangible way, I would think that it would get overturned at some point.

BTW I'm arguing with some chick over at hotair who is "embarassed"  by an anti-abortion thread from Cassy Fiano. I guess she wants Allah to come on and straighten everyone out. She's spouting "right to choose" and slippery slope crap.

468
What is Thunder? I can't even guess.

469 Gabriel, everything said after "Obama is lying..." is redundant.

I guess you could have simply appended the word "again" onto the end of the above fragment and it would be complete.

Of course he's lying. His mouth is moving, isn't it?

470 no basketball for me, i have only one testicle

471 It's like Ace gave the commenters free server service and viola, our own blog. Yawn

472 The "Thunder barges" are moving in

473

Short history of dry laws in the South:

Democrats loved to liquor up mobs to break into county jails and lynch blacks, accused rapists, etc.

When that got totally out of control they decided to outlaw alcohol.

474
>>>BTW I'm arguing with some chick over at hotair who is "embarrassed"  by an anti-abortion thread from Cassy Fiano.

...as I was saying...

We're at a point in our nation's history where unborn baby-killing is the mainstream and those who oppose are unenlightened.

475 472 But Officer Revenooer!  That aint a stil for making 'shine, it's for ethanol.  I'm GREEN, man. Posted by: Count de Monet



Sure it is. you a regular Al Gore there aint ya'.

476 Did someone mention thunder THIGHS? All in favor? So ruled.

477 Thunder over Louisville! Go to www.Wave3.com and click on ThunderoverLouisville for live streaming of an awesome fireworks. This is the official start of the Kentucky Derby

478

well i'm starting to think with Ace out looking for his mojo all the hobo's saw a break and united. they must have came in and took over the AoSHQ and are holding Drew and the rest of the bloggers hostage. all we can do is wait for their demands.

479

The new Dr. Who's first show is at the top of the hour. 

480 thank God for the volcanic ash...now the world will cool back down

481 I believe both KY and Ohio have more counties that are dry than not. Horse racing is dying and KY still will not allow casiono's. Ohio finally caved, and will allow four casinos in the next 2-3 years. most states subsidize the horse tracks with big purse money from "The casino's" they also do not have any Indian tribes living in the states as best I know.

482

Posted by: mystry at April 17, 2010 08:43 PM (kmgIE)

Indiana has casinos, on boats right on the Ohio river. Go there all the time

483 Wha? Did Ace's blogger's union go out on strike again?

484 52 tons of fireworks ready to go off in 41 minutes

485 and all the planes that can't fly and spew their poison ....... it's really heartwarming all the time we are buying our planet ... of course a bail out will be necessary but you can never have too much skin in the game........

486 Indiana has made big tax money on the "BOATS". They used to be on the rivers and great lakes. They new have moved inland to Shellyville and French Lick. the new Casino in Shelbyville is right next to the new track of Indiana Downs.

487 It would seem that to forbid drinking, you are making many of your people needlessly thirsty in these designated 'dry' places. Denial of water is indeed a cruel punishment.

488 and how exciting......we are going to land on asteroids instead of the boring old moon........finally.....a president who gets it!

489

Posted by: mystry at April 17, 2010 08:50 PM (kmgIE)

 

Well Ky is either to stupid to know where the money is or they don't want to cross the horse industry, because they still have quite a cloud in KY

490 Are we supposed to still hit the tip jar? Or should we take the hint and get out more?

491 487 Thunder over Louisville! Go to www.Wave3.com and click on ThunderoverLouisville for live streaming of an awesome fireworks. This is the official start of the Kentucky Derby Posted by: Ma Bell at April 17, 2010 08:35 PM (IxouX) Kentucky Derby? Oh, CRAP! I'm all out of fixin's for mint juleps!

492 New Age Zombie.

I want to eat your wallet.

493 Lima Lima T-34 night aerobatics. Awesome

494

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 17, 2010 08:57 PM (wQZEw)

 

That's some nasty shit to drink

495 _{^{*cough*   *wheeze*    everything is getting dark...}}

496 Dude, new post.

497 That's some nasty shit to drink Posted by: Ma Bell at April 17, 2010 09:00 PM (IxouX) Mint tea and bourbon- what's not to like? *hic*

498 Who told you about mint tea? You are not even close

499

meanwhile back in the AoSHQ. The Hobo's have found the super secret stash of Val-U-Rit vodka and bacon. The head Hobo, he seems togo by the name of King HoboKrato slashes some wooden chairs with his pocket knife and tells the others. LET THERE BE FIRE TO FRY THIS BACON.

Drew and Dave look at each other and think thank God, the havent found the blow.

500 Wow, I can really tell a difference in the writing of Dr. Who.  I like it.

501 rdbrewer 510 Wow, I can really tell a difference in the writing of Dr. Who. I like it.

I'm going through the back catalogue of Tom Baker via netflix. First one, "Robot", kinda sucks. Second one, "Genesis of the Daleks", is frickin' AWESOME. Looking forward to "Planet of Evil".

Has there ever been a Doctor before or after Baker who compares? (Or is that a rhetorical question to the fanbase?)

502

Baker set the bar.

503 They changed the writer/producer with this new doctor.  This guy has a much better sense of how to develop sympathetic characters and dramatic tension.  

504 And a great sense of humor.

505 I keep waiting for the MSM to suddenly slap their foreheads with the palm of their hands and say, "how does the administration expect us to believe them after all their previous lies?". I am the eternal optimist!

506 > 511 I'm going through the back catalogue of Tom Baker via netflix. First one, "Robot", kinda sucks. Second one, "Genesis of the Daleks", is frickin' AWESOME. Looking forward to "Planet of Evil". Posted by: Zimriel Wait until you get a load of "The Sun Makers" Praise the Company!

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