1 I hate this asshole.

2 (Cue Quasimodo)  The ads.  The ads.  The adds write themselves.  I hope some GOP eejit also remembers to put in that little ditty about Ovomit wanting reports on who's buying gold and silver.

3 Out, out, damn sock.

4

So what? Who cares? Pony up and buy health insurance and quit sucking the government teat.

Losers.

5 I hope some GOP eejit also remembers to put in that little ditty about Ovomit wanting reports on who's buying gold and silver.

Wow. really? I had heard the financial bill requires the reporting of coin transactions in excess of $600 on 1099's, but he wants names? like a list?  Thank goodness I buried all my gold in my mother in law's front lawn.  Heh.

6

/quote/ So what? Who cares? Pony up and buy health insurance and quit sucking the government teat.

Losers.

/unquote/

Uh, what if this loser wants to, you know, pay for his own damn healthcare?

7 Buy a Prius while you're at it. Use both sides of the TP. Live in a yurt. Dig a garden with a stick.

8 1 I hate this asshole.

Enough said!

New thread?

9 Uhmmm #6, you mind telling me your MIL's address?

10 "compelled economic activity"  Imagine what they could do with that after taking control of industries.

You must buy a new car from Government Motors every 4 years or pay the government a $3000 tax to cover your share of the government's infrastructure burden (normally paid through vehicle and fuel taxes).

You must purchase homeowners/renters insurance or pay a $400 tax to cover your share of the government catastrophic insurance burden.

You must have a checking account or pay a $250 tax to cover your share of the government's financial transaction processing and validation costs.

etc. That's the future of progressive liberalism. That and being restricted from exploiting your god given talents lest you make it unfair for other people.

11 In the future, all restaurants will be Taco Bell.

Or else you have to pay the $1000 per year Non-Taco Bell Food tax-fee.

12 >>"compelled economic activity"  Imagine what they could do with that after taking control of industries.

Come to Marlboro Country.
Immediately.

13 #5 "So what? Who cares? Pony up and buy health insurance and quit sucking the government teat." Uh. I went ten years w/o insurance from age 25 -35. Never once sucked on the gov. teat. I needed the money to buy food and housing, and for my business. In the end, I built a reasonably successful business, and along the way, my employees received health insurance before I did. All of this was my choice. That's the point. My ability to choose created 25 jobs and provided health insurance for all of them.... not a dime sucked off the govt. teat.

14

Congrats, unclouded--you have achieved unity with the Administration at the singularity of incoherence.

The bad news for the libs is that a majority of the electorate is now paying attention and not assuming everything is going to be great because a thin-resume narcissist says so.

15

"Uh, what if this loser wants to, you know, pay for his own damn healthcare?"

You are more than welcome to. That's exactly what I will continue to do.

Quit yer whining. If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed.

16 Have it your way at Burger King.
Or you'll pay a fine.

17

It's become quite apparent that this Prezident is the head of the dick....and it's NOT going in 'just an inch'....and it's not going to pull out in time to avoid pregnancy...and he will flip you over.

which brings me to my joke

Mom is having a heart to heart with her daughter right before her daughter's wedding.

Mom: " On your Honeymoon night, don't let him flip you over or I won't have any grandkids"

Daughter: "Oh Mom!...If I don't get him to flip me over I'll NEVER get pregnant!"

Badabump

18

I don't know that ads will be all that effective.  Obama already raised taxes on the middle class with the cigarette tax.  I suppose the GOP has an easy and ready defense now if they call it a tax or use the words tax and spend or whatever.  Regardless, I think people who are angry over Obamacare know what it's about and it can be attacked directly.

I also think they thought large parts of it would be declared unconstitutional, which is why they loaded it with so much unrelated crap.

19 #16 Quit yer whining. If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed. --------------------- Paying for your own healthcare and purchasing insurance are two completely different things. I can no longer do the former as I am forced to do the latter. Things have changed.

20

 If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed.

YES, IT HAS, FUCKTARD LIAR IDIOT.

IF I WANT TO PAY CASH, I CAN'T WITHOUT PAYING THE PENALTY.  IF A BUSINESS DOES NOT PAY 90% EMPLOYEE PREMIUMS, IT PAYS A PENALTY. 

This will kick MORE people on the "federal teat" when small businesses just pay the penalty instead of providing insurance and then those people WILL NOT have a choice about their insurance.

No matter how much you WANT this to be all magical and without pain, it's not.  Quit lying and get back on the bagel slicer, douchenozzle.

21 We all knew Obama was lying his ass off.  He does that well .. lie.

22 If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:23 AM (QOyDu)

And if you don't want to buy insurance?

23 #16 - a true fascist c*nt, undoubtedly living on the gubbamint teat, sponging off real taxpayers. FOAD

24 When will most Americans recognized that they've been had bad?

I linked this post at my web site.

25 Okay it's a tax and the Feds have a pretty much unlimited right to tax. But it's a tax for NOT doing something . Can and has the feds ever taxed someone for doing nothing?

26 #16 "

"Uh, what if this loser wants to, you know, pay for his own damn healthcare?"

You are more than welcome to. That's exactly what I will continue to do.

Quit yer whining. If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed."

Because healthcare=insurance, dontchaknow.

27 While at the roulette wheel...you will always be required to buy insurance. The Prezident's Gambling Czar decrees so.

28 No matter how much you WANT this to be all magical and without pain, it's not.

This is exactly the problem. People who have no idea how anything works want to have control over how everything works. It's not going to work.

29 This from the NY  Times:

ice cream (the president likes coconut, it turns out).

RACIST!!

30

And to our troll:

Does it bother you...at all...that your fearless leader says things 180 degrees apart, weeks--sometimes days, even hours (much less years) apart?  Really, at all?

It's not a tax.  It's a tax.

Rev. Wright is not a racist.  He's a racist.

We're pulling out of Iraq.  We're not.

We're not doing tribunals.  We are.

The stimulus will save us from higher unemployment.  It will not.

I'll meet with Iran without preconditions.  I won't.

I WON'T RAISE TAXES.  IT'S A TAX.

Political whplash, it's what's for dinner.

31 Friends, the dissent is spreading. Mind you its spreading into the land of craziness where Alex Jones is pulling as much weight as Paul Ryan... but it is spreading. I opened my facebook today to a glorious sight. One of my closest Commie/blackvictimization friends announced his rejection of "both parties, such a disappointment after what Obama could promise. They care more about themselves and their ideology than fixing whats wrong, and refuse to admit when they are wrong (implying the financial bill and stimulus waste)" Then I scroll down to read one of my more wackjob lefties post "Obama is a failure, and cant do anything. You can't blame this on the Republicans when you had total majorities last year and wasted it on a half-assed health bill." Then another. Then another. The summer of their discontent is spreading, and the Dems will be lucky to see about 70-75% of their turnout from 2008 this November. At rates like this, FULL turnout (even if its reluctant in states like Illinois or California) by our side could reach blowout proportions (think 1946, 1980, 1994, 1894, take your pick)

32 I remember when this was passed I was working at a clinic where there was 2 immigrants [workers there] talking about it to the nurses - one was from Russia, the other from Venezuela.

The nurses were all for it and one of them said 'wow, and its going to be free?' which is when the Russian woman said 'You don't know this yet, but nothing is free'

Then the Venezuelan guy and the Russian broad started laughing and high-fiving each other.

fkn nightmare vision, really.

33

Circa,

You are a moron. If you are paying cash for your health care you are relying on the taxpayer for catastrophic coverage.

Now pony up and buy some insurance. I'm tired of paying for deadbeats like you.

I like ObamaCare a lot. No more freebies for you!

34 Obama lied. People notified when to die.

35 I like ObamaCare a lot. No more freebies for you!

Yeah, that's why Ofuckwit is using ten years of taxes to pay for six years of the program.

You stupid fuck.

36 ...the important thing is Guantanimo is closed and we are winning hearts and minds the world over!

37 Quit yer whining. If you want to pay for your own insurance nothing has changed.

The unwashed masses continue to swallow the lies like they were Skittles.

38

#36 "Circa,

You are a moron. If you are paying cash for your health care you are relying on the taxpayer for catastrophic coverage."

Or his bank account.  Or family and friends.  Or his church.  Odd that relying on the government is your first and only choice.

39 Next you will tell us that, unlike what Dear Leader has told us, we can't keep our doctor.

40 Not to mention that what you are paying for has to fundamentally change.  I would try to argue more, but I think this idiot troll doesn't believe a word of it.  They're all now in that mode where leftists lie about the sky being blue.  They don't care if you can see the counterevidence in front of your face, they'll keep going with the Big Lie.

41 12 In the future, all restaurants will be Taco Bell food kitchens.

/all restaurants and fast food joints will be closed due to the exorbitant costs of Obamacare. The salt police will be celebrating though!

42 28 - "Can and has the feds ever taxed someone for doing nothing?" Posted by: Rocks at July 18, 2010 11:35 AM (UYace) They tax me for a whole $hitload of someones doing nothing!

43 >>>Now pony up and buy some insurance.

No. and FU
What are you going to do about it?

44 Just Do It.

45 Obey your thirst.

46 #36 unlcouded: If I can pay cash for a $1,000,000 heart lung transplant, not to mention regualr doctor visits, should the gov. have the power to force me to buy insurance anyway?

47

Unclouded,

This plan takes away my ability to buy coverage soley for so-called "catastrophic" coverage with a high deductible plan.  Next. 

And thanks for the insightful analysis about the effect of this idiocy on small businesses.  The White Castle folks said just this week that they would not be able to afford the mandated level of coverage for their employees.

Economic relaities suck, huh?

Consequences suck, huh?

Your guy is a liar.  Your side has released an uncontrollable monstosity on the public.  Have fun with that.

48 I have a question for those of you who know more about the ObamaCare than I do.  What happens with the low-life trash that refuses to work and lives off others and the welfare teat?  What will happen to these types when mandated health care coverage goes into effect?  My guess is that welfare will cover them in some way.  I tend to think that penalties will only apply to the productive members of society.  After all, it's trashy, no account scum that went a long way to put the ass in office.

49

Does it bother you...at all...that your fearless leader says things 180 degrees apart, weeks--sometimes days, even hours (much less years) apart?  Really, at all?

Nope.  Doesn't bother them at all.  Obama & co. are always lying to the other guys, you see. 

Besides, liberalism is a ends-justifies-the-means philosophy -- like Islam.  They don't care how much they have to lie, cheat steal and kill to get their worker's paradise. 

Well, not so much workers inasmuch as this administration seems to prefer the indigent and lazy over actual workers who, you know, work.

50 I plan on foisting as much of my costs as possible - for everything - on the government. My goal is to break it all as quickly as possible, without adding in a single dime. YMMV

51

Don P, "Odd that relying on the government is your first and only choice."

You too are a moron. I have private insurance. Always have. And I'm going to keep it.

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

God you people are stupid.

52 Dear unclouded by a rational thought:
 
With OCare, you cannot just buy catastrophic coverage. They get to set the minimum amount of comprehensive coverage that you have to carry. So your entire argument is a lie.
 
Thanks for playing.

53

so anyone with a working brain knew it was

 

 and those without, voted Dem.   

 

54 Hey, unclouded: How dare you lecture to me how I should choose to live my life.  It is my life to live, not yours.

55 That's compelled economic activity and no court has so far "discovered" constitutional authority for the federal government to compel Americans to take part in private contracts against their will. correction... the SC has effectively already decided that via the Kelo case. You can be forced to engage in a private transaction (sell your property) for the supposed collective good.

56

"This plan takes away my ability to buy coverage soley for so-called "catastrophic" coverage with a high deductible plan."

by Circa

You are a moron and a liar. It does no such thing.

57

You can't keep the insurance you have if it doesn't exist.

Once again, the left looking at life as if it were a snapshot.  What if I want better insurance that doesn't exist yet?

I realize that "insurance" is just a black box for idiots like you, but "insurance" is a million and one little decisions -- how much the doctor gets paid, what is covered, what is not, etc.

Reality does not bend to your will.

58

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

Continuing to ignore the consequences for employees of small busineesses, which you have concrete examples of, does not make them go away, troll.

Most community colleges have an ECON 101 course.  Supply/demand/incentives those kinds of things.  Look into it.

59 "Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE."

Unless your insurance company drops your policy because it does not comply with the mandates of ObamaCare.

Unless your employer drops your group health insurance coverage because it would rather pay the fine and dump you into the public option pool.

Yeah, except for those small details, I can keep the insurance I have.  Fabulous!

60

I am he is you are he as  you are me and we are all together.

Get it? No? Don't ask questions. Moving on.

61

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

God you people are stupid.

Hopefully you'll be a mortality statistic, but in the event you aren't come back and see us in a couple of years and tell us how you like those $4K a month premiums.

62 unlcouded: "Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE." No you can't. Not if all you have is high deductible catastrophic health insurance. Which I switched to in January. So cannot keep the INSURANCE I HAVE. Got it. Just another Obama lie for you to idiotically parrot.

63 Tax all the cracka's!!!

64 -->In a brief defending the law, the Justice Department says the requirement for people to carry insurance or pay the penalty is “a valid exercise” of Congress’s power to impose taxes.

Congress is not allowed to just lay taxes for anything it wants.  That's beyond crazy.  We went through this whole argument while the Washington junta was busy shoving this piece of shit health scare through and the traitors screamed that anyone who said it was a tax was a racist.

-->Congress can use its taxing power “even for purposes that would exceed its powers under other provisions” of the Constitution, the department said. For more than a century, it added, the Supreme Court has held that Congress can tax activities that it could not reach by using its power to regulate commerce.

Again, the Indonesian and his band of treasonous lunatics are arguing that the feral government can do anything anything it wants ... and charge Americans for the government's pleasure.

Further, while the tax is illegal (as Congress is not allowed to just think up any tax and slap it on Americans) the expenditures on the other side are even more illegal, with the feral government clearly overreaching its bounds - as the idiots in the Washington junta are trying to claim they have every right to do.

The situation reminas the same:  the US or The Precedent.  Only one will emerge from the Indonesian's term intact.  America, take your pick.

65 @50 Circa,
 
Be wery wery quiet, we are hunting wabbits.

66 "YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE." until your employer changes it or no longer offers it.  Or the insurance company changes it to meet government "standards".  Or the insurance company is priced out of business completely by increased claims.

Furthermore, reading comprehension is your friend.  I said nothing about your circumstances.  I commented on your assumption about his.

67 Unclouded is mad because he didn't meet his quota of sucking c**k last night. Fucktard!

68

_{You can probably add Canada to the mix once we have royally fucked our health care system.}

We are going to exit the Casinos and Buffalo Jump all over the Hospitals!

69 A dirty rotten no good son of a bitch liar.  Those are the nicest things I can say about Ovomit.

70

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

Unclouded, you are well and truly an asshole.  You've just been given an example where a company (White Castle) will  no longer offer its employees insurance.

So how can those employees "keep the insurance they have"?????

Dickwad.

71 I hate the indonesian imbecile more and more every day. 

72 The clear intention of ObamaCare is to slowly strangle the HSA/HDHP idea until it withers on the vine.  It does this by requiring insurance companies to pay something like 85% of premiums on actual claims; if you have an HSA/HDHP, you might not file a claim for a very long time, so an HSA/HDHP doesn't qualify under ObamaCare.

So quit your lying, unclouded.

73

You are a moron and a liar. It does no such thing.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:55 AM (QOyDu)

Of course it does. It sets the minimums for a policy that you can buy. You cannot buy a plan that is solely catastrophic. In fact, every plan must have certain things (like maternity care - that seniors and males so desperately need).

Also, the act of being forced to buy insurance is an invasion of your right to privacy as insurance companies will be giving your medical records to the government without your consent.

74 My body, my choice!

75 I'd like to know if "unclouded" has gotten his free house from Osama Obama's "stash" yet?

As long as there are "uncloudeds" out there, we are doomed to dealing with mindless apologists for the Traitor-in-Chief. And those twits will enable him to do even more destruction to the economy, national security, the environment (how about that speedy, effective response to the BP mess? Husseinie, you're doin' a heckuva job!) and the Constitution.

76 Two great tax bases, living side-by-side.

The ones who pays 'em and the ones who don't.

77 YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE

He wrote it in all-caps; it must be true!

78 You are a moron and a liar. It does no such thing.

Raw, unvarnished ignorance is a spectacular thing to behold.

79 May Obama get bitten by a rabid groundhog while on the golf course today. Preferably on the junk.

80 A condom is a medical device? Does that mean Obamacare will force a nurse to help me use it?

81

"Again unclouded, who is your insurance with?  I bet we'll be able to show you that even YOUR plan will change. "

Wellpoint. It has changed. I can now keep my daughter on our plan until she is 26. Or she can go buy her own. And she can even buy the same insurance that covers Congress.

God you people are stupid.

82 I'm wondering if Unclouded was a Jonestown survivor?

83 Liberals like unclouded just operate in a different universe, one in which everything is collectivist.  "Why of course I should be forced to buy health insurance, because health care is a collective responsibility and if I don't do my part in the collective then I'm a mooch!!!"  They are so locked into the collectivist mindset that they cannot even contemplate an individualist approach to health care, or to most things for that matter.

84 " I can now keep my daughter on our plan until she is 26."

Further accelerating the infantilization of America's young adults.  Now they don't actually have to start acting like grownups until they are 26!  I hope you enjoy your kids living in your basement for a very long time.

85 Check that. May unclouded (honest cloud?) get bitten by a rabid lion today. Preferably on the junk.

86 The "one" likes coconut ice cream, hmm reminds me of a medical song!

http://tinyurl.com/6rcvzd

87 OT: Action figure hero Alvin Greene is speaking at a rally sponsored by the NAACP in Manning, South Carolina, today. Kinda' funny the NAACP supports a Republican plant.

88

 I can now keep my daughter on our plan until she is 26. Or she can go buy her own. And she can even buy the same insurance that covers Congress. scratch blow her daddy off her bucket list.

 

89 "And she can even buy the same insurance that covers Congress."

Thank God unclouded's daughter is forced to buy health insurance that covers prostate exams!  The Republic is saved!

90 Isn't Wellpoint the one that was fined 30-some million for unfair claims denial?  That's some good decision-making.

91 Is "unclouded" calling all of us "morons?"

Oooooh, that stings. Calls for a shot of Valu-Rite, too.

92 bamaCare requires individuals to buy goods and services from private (in the sense of non-public) entities:

Makes sense to us.

93 Unclouded is too stupid to have offspring.

94 Stop picking on unclouded. I've always maintained that it is precisely that type of intellectual dishonesty that has made this country great!

95 Now now, let's not get too personal with unclouded's daughter.  I'm sure she will have a long and successful career once she finishes her B.S. in Womyn's Studies, her M.S. in Medieval Turkish Studies, and her Ph.D. in Ancient Chinese Basketweaving.

96 103 Is "unclouded" calling all of us "morons?"

Oooooh, that stings. Calls for a shot of Valu-Rite, too.

It's noon, I am hitting the Rum, Jager is almost empty.

97

Wellpoint. It has changed. I can now keep my daughter on our plan until she is 26. Or she can go buy her own. And she can even buy the same insurance that covers Congress.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 12:07 PM (QOyDu)

You forgot one thing idiot, keeping her on that plan until she is 26 is not exactly your choice. And no, you can't go buy the same coverage as Congress. They have gold plated tax payer funded plans where they don't pay a single dime. I challenge you to show me where it says anything of the sort.

98

Sure, I'd fuck the President and drop down on his horsewife. He's black, liberal, and wordly. He's like my sungod, and I'd do whatever he said. I think America is a bad place, too, just like the Healer of Earth and the Receder of Oceans™.

Dissent is patriotic is so two years ago.

99 I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that the Indonesian Imbecile and his junta didn't try to claim that their health scare payments are a "tax cut" - cutting taxes by 3000%.  Normally, this group of lunatics would have taken that tack - trying to cut the right off at the knees with the wildest lies one can imagine.

Next week, the Indonesian Imbecile will characterize health care payments as "charitable donations".  Why not?  No one cares about them making sense, anyway.  If reason were valued in this nation, the Indonesian and his junta would all be in orange jumpsuits, right now.

100 May Obama get bitten by a rabid groundhog while on the golf course today. Preferably on the junk.

Posted by: ErikW at July 18, 2010 12:07 PM (Ln9Gx)

You teabaggers just watch. By the time you vote me out, I'll be ready for a PGA career.

101 Hide the penumbras

102 They have gold plated tax payer funded plans where they don't pay a single dime. I challenge you to show me where it says anything of the sort.

Posted by: Blazer at July 18, 2010 12:14 PM (t72+4)

Its good to be the King. Well, ok, one of the king's flunkies.

103

A condom is a medical device? Does that mean Obamacare will force a nurse to help me use it?

Yes.  Nurse Bob will be along shortly to assist you.

104

Unclouded,

High deductible companies are GOING OUT OF BUSINESS due to the uncertainty introduced by this plan.  The first casualty was nHealth in Virgina--they'll shut their doors on December 31. 

Others will quit offering that type of coverage because the arcane (still unwritten regulations) will force them to do so.  The objective of Obamacare is not to keep everyone on their current coverage, it is to move the system to a fait accompli single payer outcome.  That's what Democratic leaders said, that's what your guy has a longstanding desire to do.  Or did you not pay attention to that either.

In 2010, I can buy it.  In 2014--NOPE.

And please continue to ignore the small business examples.  Denial is not going to make this go away.

 

105
Deception language.  The democrats have it.


"I absolutely reject that notion" - barack obama, Liar in Chief

WHO says shit like this?  Elitist liars, that's who.

106

Yes.  Nurse Bob will be along shortly to assist you.

Posted by: Alex at July 18, 2010 12:17 PM (K9+WM)

No thanks, I'll pay the fine and hit the black market for medical care. Unless Bob is short for Barbara.

107

"A condom is a medical device? Does that mean Obamacare will force a nurse to help me use it?"

Yes, hope you're not put off by his back hair.

108
Democrats LIVE to tax.  Taxation is control.

The more we are slaves to the state, the more power democrats receive..

109 No one liked Kermit the Frog?  It had jungle theme too, get it RACIST.

110 unclouded must be searching for the next talking point in the Obamacare propaganda handbook.

111
Obama- Reid - Pelosi.   EXTREMIST.  LEFT WING.

112 OT killing time, I started watching "the severed hand" on Hulu. It is a movie about an arm that falls off an astronaut during self destruct during reentry, and the arm goes around town killing people. The funny thing is that all the adds are for medical care -- hospitals, childrens funds, stuff like that. Wondering why, i read the movie description: "A medical student finds the deadly hand of a lost ...."

113

It isn't just the small businesses that will be forced to drop their insurance, thus putting their employees in the public option pool; many large companies will be following suit.  Where my husband works -- they have already been notified that the public option (or an insurance plan that is exactly like the public option) will be all that is on the table.

And there are many doctors that are refusing to deal with the public option -- many are just closing up shop (I lost my pediatrician, a very good one too, due to this -- I think he is planning on emigrating).

So much for your pie in the sky ideas, very clouded judgement.  Idiot (spit).

114 That was one of the very early MST3K entries.  A truly terrible movie.

115

Note to troll:

No one knows what's in the financial "reform" bill, either.

We're put it all on C-SPAN.  We will not put it all on C-SPAN.

116 F*CK YOU -- That's my name.

117 I guess we should consider ourselves lucky that the Indonesian Imbecile and his junta didn't try to claim that their health scare payments are a "tax cut" - cutting taxes by 3000%.  Normally, this group of lunatics would have taken that tack - trying to cut the right off at the knees with the wildest lies one can imagine.

Next week, the Indonesian Imbecile will characterize health care payments as "charitable donations".  Why not?  No one cares about them making sense, anyway.  If reason were valued in this nation, the Indonesian and his junta would all be in orange jumpsuits, right now.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 18, 2010 12:14 PM (Qp4DT)

In essence, isn't that exactly what Obama, Reid and Pelosi said, that in the long run it would shave trillions off the deficit and save America money ? Now we all know that was bullshit, that in fact the opposite was true, one only needed to look at all the other places socialized medicine was in place to know it was a failure and this was a lie, however they played it up just like a tax cut.

118
Not paying taxes is racist.

Wait, what?

119 Sigh. The trolls are almost always hit and run. Must be part of the strategy, or lack thereof.

120

Yet another example of how our problem isn't Obama. It's the untold numbers of brain dead fucktards that know little of history who voted for the Lightbringer. They are just sure communism will work THIS time.

Traitors among us, rooting for America to fail.

121 #134  It's a shame really.  I de-lurked just to play with this one.

122

Not paying taxes is racist.




You talkin' to me ? I did an ethics investigation on my self and found myself to be the most ethical representative evah !

123

The public option is to "option" what public toilets are to "toilets".

124

Still think this isn't absolute tyranny?

btw, I was right when I said that if Obamacare passed, the Tea Party's effect on the GOP would end with a shoulder shrug and an "Oh well".  Instead of fighting every little thing tooth and nail, in an attempt to run out the clock until Nov., we have an adm racking up wins with little opposition, and no outrage.

125 Well, it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. I'm off for a hundred miles or so on the Harley. Later.

126 TAX!

127 Next week, the Indonesian Imbecile will characterize health care payments as "charitable donations".
Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 18, 2010 12:14 PM

That's one thing Osama Obama won't do. Donations can be deducted from your taxes, at least as of 11:27 CDT on 7/18/11.

The rest I agree with. Why the Traitor-in-Chief isn't sitting in a cell awaiting trial right now -- instead of costing us another fortune by taking yet another unearned vacation -- defies logic.

Now that Eric Shabazz Holder and the Department of Justice For Some think they can determine the law without recourse to courts or Constitution, we are nearing realization of the Chicago Jesus's dream: he was born too late to be part of the hip happenings in Moscow back in October, 1917, so he needs to make it all happen again.

Hail Caesar!

128 oh crap - meant the name of the movie is "the crawling hand" (in case anyone is looking for this masterpiece to watch themselves. It's actually not that bad...

129 >>They are just sure communism will work THIS time.

This. DeathCare is not the foot in the door towards Socialism. Its the fkn door itself. Kill it quickly, don't rely on your Representatives to do it for you. Crash it, kill it, don't let up.

130 Posted by: Charlie Rangel at July 18, 2010 12:30 PM

Hey, what about ME, sucka?

131 Look, all of this won't matter anyway.  The economy will collapse and the only people that will get any medical care will be those who are here illegal.  If your legal, you will be required to "pay as you go".  Aint America great today?  Thank you Dear Leader!

132 Looks like C&L sent in a revenge troll. Hopefully, unclouded is just their 'B' troll and higher quality ones will follow later.

133

"Where my husband works -- they have already been notified that the public option (or an insurance plan that is exactly like the public option) will be all that is on the table."

by unknown jane

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

134 Instead of fighting every little thing tooth and nail, in an attempt to run out the clock until Nov., we have an adm racking up wins with little opposition, and no outrage.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at July 18, 2010 12:30 PM (Poe30)

I think this is because many are coming to the realization that this nation is going to split up, anyway.  There are something like 6 independent tracks on which one can expect to see serious state nullification in the next year or two.  The system is broken beyond repair and the only way to get back to a truly Constitutional basis (and preserve some of the American tradition and creed) is to start over.  I believe that coming credit crisis 2.0 will be the catalyst for this change, since we have nothing left to buy time with.

That's how I see it, anyway.

135
we have an adm racking up wins with little opposition, and no outrage.

So you're some kind of genius because you're the ONLY one who thought that?  Hardly.

136
Looks like C&L sent in a revenge troll. Hopefully, unclouded is just their 'B' troll and higher quality ones will follow later.

Posted by: GnuBreed at July 18, 2010 12:35 PM (h0RtZ)

Judging by the brain trust and mental prowess over at C&L I'd say that unclouded was most likely head of it's elite special forces.

137 Hey, our friend honest cloud is back!

That poll increase you supposed to get from passing healthcare...

How's that going for you guys?

138 unclouded keeps typing "God you people/morons are stupid" I am starting to think its actually a trollbot. Soon it will start advertising watches, refrigerators, and "machines" (like last weeks bot) along with random dialog pulled from the posts of users and at random from GoogleBooks.

139

Don't worry folks, you can count on me!!!

 

140 "YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE."

Already not true for us. I canceled my insurance because after Obamacare passed, the rates and deductibles went up, as well as the services not covered. And I don't plan on purchasing any health insurance. I'll pay for my own health care. Why make it easy for you (supporters of Obamacare who can't seem to do without my money) to pick my pocket? Want health insurance? Get it for your own self. Tax this!

141

The moon landing was filmed in a warehouse in Arizona you fucking idiots.


God you people are stupid.

142

Soon it will start advertising watches, refrigerators, and "machines" (like last weeks bot) along with random dialog pulled from the posts of users and at random from GoogleBooks.

Posted by: Finn at July 18, 2010 12:39 PM (Gr1V1)

Miss me yet?

143 That's one thing Osama Obama won't do. Donations can be deducted from your taxes, at least as of 11:27 CDT on 7/18/11.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 18, 2010 12:31 PM (Ulu3i)

Actually, MrScribbler, I did think of that.  I started writing something out that was a play on the Indonesian's attempt (I forget when this was) to reduce charitable deductions, because he claimed that the highly progressive tax rates meant that rich people got disproportional benefits from charitable deductions!  I remember laughing at how the Imbecile was arguing for flat rates on charitable deductions - for "fairness" - but was allowed to continue to scream about making the current tax structure even more progressive without much of a pushback from our guys with megaphones.  But ... the whole thing got too complicated, so I just left it out.

144 >>the only people that will get any medical care will be those who are here illegal.

Within the national HIV strategy that I'm required to read, there are provisions for testing and access to treatment for illegals via monitoring of migrant workers, focused at border States. The HIV area is where its all starting.

145

If you run away now, unclouded, you haven't got a hair on your ass.

146

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 12:36 PM (QOyDu)

Yes, there is, for employers. They have the option to pay your insurance or pay a fine, which is 10X less than your insurance. The employer in question meant that public option.

147 Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 12:36 PM

What next? Are you going to try to sell us handbags and shoes, spambot?

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

Lover me some reasoned, logic-filled discourse.

Now GTFO. Kos needs you over there.

148 Fire can't melt steel you fucking idiots.

God you people are stupid!

149 The Tax argument won't pass muster because the very language of the bill is not that of a tax. The Court will hold the Law to its own language. Also, this now shows how weak the government feels its case really is. As card players would say, it's quite a tell.

150

Yes, there are public options.  They are called Medicare and Medicaid and this plan will balloon them beyond all recognition and bankrupt the states that are not already there from soaring Medicaid expenditures.

Also, the rosy economic growth assumptions built into the cost estimates for this monstrosity are so out of whack with reality ALREADY that it will require even more tax increases.

Do you deal in facts, unclouded or just the "No, it isn't" school of lefty rhetoric?

It will save us money.  It will not save us money.

151 I got back from lunch just now and there are already 153 posts so this may have already been covered.

But, the previous court rulings on "the power to tax" are based on the 16th amendment and the government's power to levy an income or head tax.

This is NOT and income tax and trying to market it as such to a fair court is ludicrous. The new law does have taxes in it but the "fines" to people who do not buy insurance can not be skoffed off as a tax.

Obviously they are depending on communist judges to throw the constitution in the trash and rule in their favor. While I am sure that the left 4 will I am also sure the right 4 will not. Which leaves us right back to what side of the bed Kennedy gets up on.

This is a sad state of affairs when ludicrous rulings hang on the mood of one man and whether or not he is pissed at Skalia that day.

152

unclouded keeps typing "God you people/morons are stupid"
I am starting to think its actually a trollbot.

honest cloud found a way back in. We'll be seeing a lot more of him, trust me.

153
There is so such a thing as the tooth fairy you fucking idiots.

God you people are stupid.

154 You people are making a much bigger deal out of this than it really is. Trust me.

155 You know what would be cool?

Reading this thread with "Taxman" playing in the background.

156 Isn't this the same thing the Feds did with Social Security... told the people it wasn't a tax, and told the courts it was?

157 Do you deal in facts, unclouded or just the "No, it isn't" school of lefty rhetoric?

Naww, it's the "I'm so much terribly smarter and better than you that I will not even deign to bestow upon you the legitimacy of sentience" school of lefty rhetoric.

158 166 Fire can't melt steel you fucking idiots.

God you people are stupid!

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 12:42 PM (3/p/z)

Hey unclouded, does your mom's ass still taste like shit?

159 God you people are stupid. Stupid, you people are god. Are your people God, stupid? Are your God-people stupid? I CAN SO MIX THINGS UP! LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!!

160 Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 18, 2010 12:41 PM

Understood and agreed.

I just hate to see people write things like that -- I'm afraid it'll give Osama Obama and his co-conspirators ideas.

One thing they don't need is more ideas. They have too friggin' many of those.

And too much power to foist those "ideas" on the rest of us.

161

cloud seems to be at Stage 2: Anger.  I can't wait for Stage 3: Bargaining.

162

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded


Hey, is there an option where someone's employer says, fuck this ridiculously expensive benefit shit, I can get by a whole lot cheaper by paying a fine to the feds and my employees can get their (admittedly crappy) health insurance through the pool that is open to the public?

163 Hey guys! What's going on?

164
Democrat legislative accomplishments and their true meaning:

Health Care Reform:  "It's a TAX" 

Financial Reform:  "It's a TAX....payer funded bailout for to-big-to-fail democrat fat-cat corporate donors"

Cap and Trade:  "It's a TAX"

Card Check:  "Fuck you, private sector. Democrats want America to be just like Detroit and CA."

165 #181 Seriously, I will stop typing if you people just admit that God you are stupid. I really have nothing else to go on so this is a great deal, like $600,000 per person stimulus jobs or nonexistent congressional district allocations!

166
Guess fucking what?

In the news today here in Assachusetts the big story is about how the rising healtinsurance costs are causing businesses to drop coverage for their employees.

Guess what fucking else?

The business owners are encouraging their employees to enroll in Mass Health.
This is exactly what we said would happen with socialized health care.

AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT OBAMA WANTS TO HAPPEN.

We're headed towards single-payer, sooner than you mooks think.

167
Since we're arguing over semantics and the language of the this epic hornswaggle I wonder what unclouded has to say about this plan indeed covering abortions with our tax money which was proven just this past week after we were promised by Congressional Democrats like Stupak and Obama himself that it would not? No big deal right? I mean, this is the only way they could get it passed at the end.

I wonder what other white lies are in this bill. Hundreds I'll bet.

168

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

Posted by: Public Service Message at July 18, 2010 12:45 PM (IhHdM)

Well, there is.  Medicaid.  The whole thrust of the piece of shit health scare is to drain Medicare (leave the old people out in the elements when they get to be too much of a hassle) and to supercharge Medicaid.  THe feral government assumes full control of all plans via the "exchanges" and the requirements the feral government dictates for any plan to register with an exchange - thereby giving them the simple ability to kill off most of the private sector with little effort, further enhancing the power and scope of Medicaid.

It is all so un-American that only an Indonesian could hold this nation and our institutions in such contempt that would be required to shove this down America's throat against some of the strongest opposition.

The health scare isn't a tax.  It's a suicide bomb.

169

Posted by: boner pills cheap at July 18, 2010 12:50 PM (Pwiim)

My man!

170 #188 It wouldn't shock me if some joker assistant to one of the Congressmen who wrote the monstrosity just left an entire six page section filled with drawings of an ass and "LOL" all over it. NO ONE has read the whole damn thing. Its like reading War and Peace four times.

171 Retarded Trolls 2: The Uncloudedening

172
Hey, is there an option where someone's employer says, fuck this ridiculously expensive benefit shit, I can get by a whole lot cheaper by paying a fine to the feds and my employees can get their (admittedly crappy) health insurance through the pool that is open to the public?

Posted by: huerfano at July 18, 2010 12:47 PM (NmcJ6)

That's not a bug, its a feature. That is exactly intended to do what it is designed to, put insurance companies out of business and increase the size of government by another 1/3. When we all work for the government you'll no longer have the desire to bite the hand that feeds you lest you offend your master and starve.

173

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

Barack Hussein, is that you, brotha?

At least we don't gotta "socialize" YOU!

174 Since we're arguing over semantics and the language of the this epic hornswaggle I wonder what unclouded has to say about this plan indeed covering abortions with our tax money which was proven just this past week after we were promised by Congressional Democrats like Stupak and Obama himself that it would not? No big deal right? I mean, this is the only way they could get it passed at the end.

I wonder what other white lies are in this bill. Hundreds I'll bet.

Unclouded by thought loves the abortion coverage, because every woman should have the right to let someone else pay for her to kill her child.  If we're going to pay for abortions in foreign countries, we ought to pay for abortions here, too, oughtn't we?

White lies implies a sort of harmlessness.  None of the shit contained in this monstrosity is harmless.

175 A Supreme Court that would give the federal power to pass ANY tax , as it would de facto have to do if it lets this monstrosity through, would know that it would be putting itself out of business.  I doubt even Kennedy or Breyer would want to geld themselves in such a manner.

176 Hey bitches, how do you like my new program "No Tax Left Behind?"

177 #192 "Drater! Its Retard spelled backwards!" kudos to anyone who gets that joke

178
187.  Of course.  That's the leftwing master plan.  Is this a secret?


The left design all of their horrid plans with the holy grail of left-winger statist big  government control end game:  A Government run/ tax payer funded "Single payer" system.  Health care will be distributed by a governing board filled with high paid democrat cronies and there will be rationing.  Say bye bye to the free market.

179 181

cloud seems to be at Stage 2: Anger.  I can't wait for Stage 3: Bargaining.

******************************

I can't wait for him to reach the Final Stage:  DEATH

 

180
Nazi Pelosi:

"We have to pass this bill so you can see how wonderful it is."


More like:

"You have to go to hell to see how horrible it is."

181 "We're going to shock the heck out of everybody."

Posted by: Joe Biden (D)umbass at July 18, 2010 12:56 PM (IhHdM)

Ah, that must be the mental health benefit.

182 The people who were so adamant that Bush and the Patriot Act infringed on their freedoms by listening to overseas calls to suspected terrorists are perfectly willing to have the government accessing their medical records.  Fucking idiots.

183 "I will sell no whine before its time"

184 "the severed hand"

That was an old urban legend. I remember hearing it in the fifties around a girl scout campfire.

185

Don't forget the "no tort reform" part.

We'll get serious doctor shortages when all the foreign trained docs figure out Canada and Britainistan are actually less retarded than we are.

186 The people who were so adamant that Bush and the Patriot Act infringed on their freedoms by listening to overseas calls to suspected terrorists are perfectly willing to have the government accessing their medical records.  Fucking idiots.

Posted by: huerfano at July 18, 2010 01:01 PM (NmcJ6)

Having government intrude on and control your life is o.k. as long as their Democrats or didn't you get the memo? Along with a sense of humor most leftists were born without a sense of irony.

187 Anal rape - it's not really rape-rape.

188 Its a tax.  Its also thievery, confiscation, seizing, impounding, taking, attaching, enslavement, mandate, and dictatorial and freedom-hate^tm.

189
We'll get serious doctor shortages

Tried to find a GP/Internist lately?  None of them, NONE, are accepting new patients. 

190 Karma is a bitch, ain't it? http://tinyurl.com/323f3eq

191

The left design all of their horrid plans with the holy grail of left-winger statist big  government control end game:  A Government run/ tax payer funded "Single payer" system.  Health care will be distributed by a governing board filled with high paid democrat cronies and there will be rationing.  Say bye bye to the free market.

No problem.  Try it out first on the legal profession.  See how they like it.

192

That's it, unclouded? That's it??? That's all that you've got to say?

(sigh) I had such high hopes for you, my son.

193 Although I formerly contended that I would never make the anal rub-a-dub with your ass, it is now clearly lawful for me to do so under the federal government's power to make the anal rub-a-dub with your ass.

194 80 The clear intention of ObamaCare is to slowly strangle the HSA/HDHP idea the country until it withers on the vine. 

Posted by: chemjeff at July 18, 2010 12:01 PM (Ps41e)

Fixed.

195

Now witness the regulatory power of this fully armed and operational Democratic Boondoggle !

196 unclouded, let me summarize your position succinctly:
 
"You lie!"

197 Tried to find a GP/Internist lately?  None of them, NONE, are accepting new patients. 

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 18, 2010 01:04 PM (cOnrq)

I live in Austin and have dual insurance. No problem yet. Of course Texas passed some tort reform and doctors have been migrating here. Go figure.

198 "When I use a word," 0bama said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said 0bama, "which is to be master - - that's all."

199

There is no public option you fucking idiot.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded

Exactly.  No options for the public, ie citizens.  You will pay the govt for less health care quality.  Congratulations, you're boned.  Even the devil thinks you're a dummy.

200

This will be the cause of a tax too!  Count on it.

Holy shit!  Global warming is real, and we did it!

But then again, it might be real, and we might not have done it!

Or maybe climate change is cyclical and we cause that, too!

Or maybe climate is cyclicaland we donÂ’t have anything to do with it!

Or maybe we arenÂ’t as smart as we think we are and we should just stop hitting the panic button over every possible thing out there!

Or maybe, effing idiots should pitch their agendas – as in pitch into the effing toilet – and just tell the goddamned unvarnished truth!

My problem with all of the horseshit climate stuff is that the people with the agendas just so happen to be the same people who are juicing the data so why the hell should we trust them?

And further, if we are destroying the planet, and since (should the brainiac climate scientists’ own data be correct and miraculously free of agenda shit in this one case) even if we were to suddenly curtail all economic, technological, travel and industrial activity worldwide, that would still do little or nothing to correct “Man Caused Global” effing warming, why the hell shouldn’t we just roll over and accept the fact that the world will end one day and when it does, we will have been the cause of it!?

 

201 I will simply not comply. I've had it with this mother fucker.

202 My "I'm with stupid" t-shirt points up.

203 It's a sea-kitten! Who would rule against sea-kittens? Haters.

204 Unclouded is like honest cloud?

205

I guess unclouded is off consulting it's Axelrod Talking Points Field Manual.

206 Well, I'm off to lick my wounds and count my turds....or is it the other way around???

207 Ice cream anyone?

208

 

209 OT:

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Vice President Joe Biden brushed aside suggestions on Sunday that Democrats will suffer big losses in November midterm elections, vowing that Barack Obama's governing party will "shock the heck out of everybody."

Speaking on the ABC News program "This Week," Biden dismissed prevailing wisdom that Democrats, 17 months into Obama's transformative residency in the White House, would suffer a drubbing at the hands of salivating Republicans.

"I don't think the losses are going to be bad at all," Biden said. "I think we're going to shock the heck out of everybody."

Biden said he was "confident when people take a look at what has happened since we've taken office in November and comparing it to the alternative, we're going to be in great shape."

--------

*snort*

210    232    


Good point.

211 When Dave Weigel isn't busy being bent over while guest blogging for Andrew Sullivan, he's busy accusing Megyn Kelly of fear mongering the Black Panther story. http://tinyurl.com/32zm9gs

212 Spank the  monkey is more like it.

213 oops, meant to go with the happy face and sockpuppet change, not sure why I went with the evil stamp, must be feeling it today.

214 When it's unclouded in Arizona,  the illegals going Norte for free Ob+amao Care are being murdered by the July heat. When it's cloudy, that holds the heat in and murders them too. Obviously the weather is caused by Bush...hence Bush murders illegals who are only coming here for free Ob+amao Care.

215 That news is from mid-June, glad the Old Gray Lady finally noticed and let its dwindling readership in on the "secret."

216
Posted by: England at July 18, 2010 01:20 PM (VuLos)



Leave Uncle Joe alone. He's only a year or two away from having tapioca spoon fed to him and having to have some one change his shitty Depend undergarment for him.

217 18 This "tax" would hit those who make below $250K no?

Posted by: CDR M at July 18, 2010 11:27 AM (5I8G0)

$250,000 is just a suggestion.

218 235 When Dave Weigel isn't busy being bent over while guest blogging for Andrew Sullivan, he's busy accusing Megyn Kelly of fear mongering the Black Panther story. http://tinyurl.com/32zm9gs

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - avoiding Karma at all costs at July 18, 2010 01:21 PM (YVZlY)

There goes Megyn again.  Getting all of the traction she can out of a perfectly innocuous statement calling for the killing of "cracka babies".

She has no shame.

219 >>"I don't think the losses are going to be bad at all," Biden said. "I think we're going to shock the heck out of everybody."

Sure he's talking it up as a counterpoint to Gibbs, but he's also probably not all that wrong. What he's missing is that the entire political landscape is changing fast. Neither side as presently configured will survive that.

220 $250,000 is just a suggestion projection.

FIFY

221 Since, in effect, this healthcare scam is a tax on people who pay taxes in order to pay reparations to people who don't pay taxes, will those people who don't pay taxes have to pay taxes when their receipt of huge healthcare benefits puts them in a higher income tax bracket?

222

235 Good lord.

One is relevant. The other is not.  Not too hard to figure which is which. He's a bitter one, isn't he?

Of course, libs gloss over the fact that she took the strong position because--

a) they (the DOJ) had already been grated the default judgment and chose not to enforce it,

b) the whistleblower testified that there was a policy to not investigate any blacks that were accused of  intimidating whites at the polls, and

c) no other network or paper had even addressed the story

223

unclouded plays third string. He doesn't have the intellectual capacity of someone like me!

Why is there a piece of cheese stuck to my forehead?

224 Newsweek just called me and said "America is Back!" ...again

225

There goes Megyn again.

KEEP THAT CRAZY BITCH AWAY FROM ME!

226 Clyburn announced this morning that Obama had "stabilized" the economy.  Does it feel stable?

227

Oh crap!  Once the MFM gets their hands on this:

http://tinyurl.com/36xxor6

It'll be all we hear about...

for weeks!  Months maybe.

228 Unclouded's daughter will never get pregnant unless she allows her BF to flip her over.

229 Pay the penalty for not having insurance, and to make sure we get you all, we will force you to be tattooed in the hand or forehead. This tattoo will be mandatory. Anyone found without this tattoo will be incarserated for their own good, or eliminated!

230 #254 methinks his daughter's boyfriend is battery activated, so no luck there either.

231

OT: Cap n' Trade is not a tax! Wait. What?

http://bit.ly/ciiWl0 GAO Report: Carbon Capture Increases Power Costs up to 80%

Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), ranking Republican of the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, and Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio), released the GAO today covering the status, cost, and reliability of current CCS technology for coal-fired power plants.  

The release states, “Based on GAO's survey of stakeholders, including utilities and state regulators, current CCS technology would increase electricity costs by 30 to 80 percent, reduce electricity output between 15 and 32 percent, and increase water consumption at power plants.”

232 246 Since, in effect, this healthcare scam is a tax on people who pay taxes in order to pay reparations to people who don't pay taxes, will those people who don't pay taxes have to pay taxes when their receipt of huge healthcare benefits puts them in a higher income tax bracket?

Posted by: Doo Dah, Doo Dah at July 18, 2010 01:27 PM (sYrWB)

Doo Dah...You WIN THE COOKIE!!!! The tanning tax is absolutely a tax on white people. It is as racist as taxes can get.

233 "That's something very different than a tax." Says you.

234 255
LMAO not even close. The Anti-Christ would, I think, be competent.

235 I. WILL. NOT. COMPLY.

kiss my American freedom lovin ass, Toonces you Marxist lying fuck.

236 I argued some time ago that a tax was probably a way that this mandate could be considered valid--but that the supporters would not want to claim that at the time, being politically a poor choice.  I thus am feeling pretty good today.

I had been mulling this over a few nights ago and another thought occurred to me--if this is a tax, then the insurance companies are de facto federal contractors and all the normal federal acquisition rules need to come into play if they have not been specifically set aside in health care enabling legislation.

It's not so much that I want this to happen--it's more a sign that our "rulers" can't understand the law or the idea that not only are their second-order effects, there are first order ones as well. Or--that they knew this, and deliberately are attempting to get by stealth and deception what they cannot get by agreement.

And naturally, both can be true...

237  "I don't think the losses are going to be bad at all," Biden said. "I think we're going to shock the heck out of everybody."

profit!

238

Crud, I go away for a while and miss my chance!

What do you call the proposed healthcare option then lackwit?  How is it not, truly, a public option?  Please explain; please grace me with your educated and sophisticated discourse some more!

Please, please, describe to me the difference...oh so urbane, intelligent, and nuanced one!  While you are at it, if you could be so kind as to enumerate how this does not constitute a tax as well -- I'm clearly not capable of seeing the really real.

 

239
If unclouded is actually Honest Cloud working as a sock, it has progressed from a liberal/socialist Chicago based CPA who earned the highest GPA ever recorded, into a psychotically challenged Obama sycophant that lives, breathes, and worships the Obama/Wookie/Orca triad that will save the world. 

240

Oh crap!  Once the MFM gets their hands on this:

http://tinyurl.com/36xxor6

It'll be all we hear about...

for weeks!  Months maybe.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 18, 2010 01:32 PM (r1h5M)

The 219k fine is almost about 70k more than his reported net worth at the time. Or about as much as Murtha carried in his wallet when he was alive.

241
Has Joe Biden ever been right about anything?

Anyfuckingthing?

Ever?

242 Mystery trader buys all Europe's cocoa
Even Willy Wonka might struggle to use this much chocolate. Yesterday, somebody bought 241,000 tonnes of cocoa beans.

243 And if the insurance companies are de facto federal contractors, and they have not complied or been selected in accordance with all the normal such rules that have not been specifically superseded by the health care law--then is a lawsuit challenging the ability of the federal government to make me pay monies to these contractors not winnable?

244

I like ObamaCare a lot. No more freebies for you!

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:40 AM (QOyDu)

amazing, you managed to completely beclown yourself in two sentences.

245 .
unclouded:  --> "honest cloud"?  Is that you?
.

246

How come folks are not simply mentioning that CapNtrade will price a great many out of air conditioning?

That'll get soccer moms buying ammo.

247

Or--that they knew this, and deliberately are attempting to get by stealth and deception what they cannot get by agreement.

This.

248 I thought health scare was a Jobs Bill?  Are taxes jobs, now?  That's kinda cool.

249 Clyburn announced this morning that Obama had "stabilized" the economy.

Clyburn is now the stupidest man on the hill since McKinney left.

250 272

How come folks are not simply mentioning that CapNtrade will price a great many out of air conditioning?

That'll get soccer moms buying ammo.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at July 18, 2010 01:43 PM (dQdrY)

You don't need air conditioning!

251
You guys know Obama picked Biden, right?

He's Uncle Joe, the nice guy that some white Democrats can be comfortable with. If good ol' Uncle Joe says Barack Obama is a good American, then, gee, I guess that's good enough for me.

Plus, Joe Biden is such an incompetent boob, he's a nice reminder of the stupid old white men who have been fucking up things in Washington for the last two hundred years...and that's make Obama look good.

252
Cons, how come you dont want to pay for my health insurance Cons? Cons, why are you so selfish Cons, Cons why are you?

Did you read the bill Cons, Cons can you read ?

253 Clyburn is now the stupidest man on the hill since McKinney left.

Posted by: Vic at July 18, 2010 01:45 PM (/jbAw)

It's a competitive field!

254 275 Clyburn announced this morning that Obama had "stabilized" the economy.

Clyburn is now the stupidest man on the hill since McKinney left.

Posted by: Vic at July 18, 2010 01:45 PM (/jbAw)

You dare question the power of golf?  Of vacations?  Of golf vacations? Heretic!

255

Circa, IHOP said the same thing as White Castle last week too

Did someone mention IHOP?

256 The ignorance here is astounding. Go read a book! Me, I'm going to have a cocktail and then walk my dog on the beach.

257

You dare question the power of golf?  Of vacations?  Of golf vacations? Heretic!

Golf vacations, Ima let you have your time. But, concerts and parties at the White House are the real economic stabilizers.

258 After reading these comments, I feel there is a lot of pent up sexual frustration. I'm here to say that my vacation has me refreshed and that I will be available to assist you in your needs beginning next week.

259 CONNNNNNNNNNNN!

260 Posted by: RayCon at July 18, 2010 01:46 PM (t72+4)

Who's the more greedy--the man who refuses to give, or the man who makes the demand that causes the refusal? Who has the greed, and who does not?

The correct answer, of course, is it can be both, either, or neither.

261 OT:

CLEVELAND (AP) - Ohio plans to build a sound barrier made out of soil and plants in the state's first eco-friendly attempt at muffling highway noise.

A spokesman for the state transportation department says the 12-foot high wall will be like a Chia Pet: Workers will water bags filled with soil and seeds and watch it grow.

The transportation department says the noise wall will be built this fall. It will span 400 feet along a westbound stretch of Interstate 70 near Columbus.

Wisconsin tried a similar idea. It built a sound wall made out of plastic forms filled with soil and plants, but removed it in 1996 after part of the barrier collapsed and weeds spread.

262 Are you serious? The dumbest person on the hill is clearly S J Lee. No doubt.

263 ""It's become quite apparent that this Prezident is the head of the dick.""

There is a slang word for that in Italian, and I know I heard it a lot growing up, and I just can't frigging spell it. Yeah, he is totally that, fucking dickhead.

264 #152, an Article V convention of the states to propose constitutional amendments is much more likely than a breakup. In fact, if you eliminate extra-constitutional requirements, something like 38 states have already applied for one. But lets assume that there would be a new application by enough states that meets all the extra-contitutional requirements. If at that point Congress refused or failed to call a convention, that would be a *major* constitutional crisis. One with very unpredictable results.

265 OT:

Aaron Schock (R - Illinois) just gave a great interview to Shannon Bream.  He tore apart the porkulus signs.  It was hysterical and right on the money.

266 275 Vic,
 
Don't I even get an honorable mention?

267

Dumbest headline of the day.

With the best quote, "That's just a detail."

268 You know why BP lobbied to have the Lockerbie bomber freed? It all stems from Christianity forcing it's morals on everyone.

269

CLEVELAND (AP) - Ohio plans to build a sound barrier made out of soil and plants in the state's first eco-friendly attempt at muffling highway noise.

Sounds like a great idea! Are the plants psychic?

270
The asshole returns with his anti-Christian message.  Fuck off Christoph, and stop sucking your wife's dick. 

271 293

Dumbest headline of the day.

With the best quote, "That's just a detail."

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 01:56 PM (Y0WgB)

Craziest headline of the day: Motorcyclist survives 300-foot plunge off cliff

272 FDR lied about the trust fund of Socialist Security. FDR told the people it was a trust fund, FDR told the court it was a tax. Since there was no Internet, people just heard what FDR said.

But taxing powers so broad that they can force you to do anything, may in fact be a bridge too far for the Supreme Court. If not then they can make you buy or do anything -- just call it a tax, and presto they tell you what bread you can buy on what day of the week you can buy it. Just call it a bread  tax.

And how about the issue of having bureaucrats actually write the laws ... Like they did in NAZI Germany when they passed the Enabling Act of 1933 which overnight turned Germany into a dictatorship.

273

Craziest headline of the day: Motorcyclist survives 300-foot plunge off cliff

Libtard headline of the day

274 -->#152, an Article V convention of the states to propose constitutional amendments is much more likely than a breakup. In fact, if you eliminate extra-constitutional requirements, something like 38 states have already applied for one.

That would still take place within this same system.  I wouldn't trust such a procedure.  I don't know how many would.  It's like the whole amnesty debate.  Those who want to aid and abet the illegals by making them legal argue that it would be inhumane to enforce the law.  THey argue that we have to surrender and legalize all of the illegals, though we will enforce the same sorts of laws against those who refuse to do the paperwork and future illegals ... It's just inhumane to enforce al that NOW.  I see this same attitude in all of our governmental institutions.

I don't see an Article V Convention being called, myself.  I think that events will overtake plans, anyway.

-->But lets assume that there would be a new application by enough states that meets all the extra-contitutional requirements. If at that point Congress refused or failed to call a convention, that would be a *major* constitutional crisis. One with very unpredictable results.

Posted by: ManeiNeko at July 18, 2010 01:55 PM (TiE76)

This is where we split.  We've already had more than a few *major* Constitutional crises and they've just blown right by.  There is no restriction to logic or good sense in our public discourse and the operations of our governmental institutions (which are assaulting the citizenry, now).  This cannot be repaired by demands for logic and sense.  The left just refuses these demands and has only gotten worse and worse - and they impose themselves on everyone else more and more.

275 294 You know why BP lobbied to have the Lockerbie bomber freed? It all stems from Christianity forcing it's morals on everyone.

Posted by: Christoph at July 18, 2010 01:57 PM (Ln9Gx)

Jesus loves you in spite of yourself.

276

Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 02:00 PM (v1gw3)

Twas me, Fish. I was just being an idiot.

277

Unclouded is a lib troll. Do'nt waste your energy. He used to post on Biggov't always ended the same way with "God you people are stupid".

Ignore him and maybe he'll go back under the bridge.

278

Libtard headline of the day

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:04 PM (Y0WgB)

That's hilarious!

279
I don't know who stumbles into threads late and falls for troll sockpuppets more, Fish or Nam Grunt.

280
You know what I watched yesterday?

EVENT HORIZON (1999) Not a bad scifi flick but coulda been so much better.

281

296  I think it's a sock.

Still waiting to be enlightened by the ever so wise double rainbow mccloudy cloud of laughing unicorn farts...

282

I wish there was a live feed to the Alvin Greene speech today.

That would be far more entertaining than this boring 0-0 Reds vs. Rockies game I'm watching.

283
Where's eman been lately? He's usually around pretty much all the time, even on Sundays.

284 Free Blazer!

285 OT, but has anyone seen the NASA slides about outreach to Muslims?  I only saw them just now, and even NASA's demography sucks: they categorized Ethiopia and Tanzania as "majority Muslim" countries, which they're not.

286 O/T

Liberal training and indoctrination center.

287
hahaha, coherent but whatever should send NASA his muslim-outrach pics showing muslims througout famous historical events

288
EVENT HORIZON (1999) Not a bad scifi flick but coulda been so much better.

Posted by: boner pills cheap at July 18, 2010 02:09 PM (Pwiim)

There are places where you can go to watch slowed down versions of the flight recorder scene. They had to edit the hell out of it because originally the movie was looking at an X-Rating if it didn't.

289 they categorized Ethiopia and Tanzania as "majority Muslim" countries, which they're not.

Posted by: logprof at July 18, 2010 02:10 PM (BP6Z1)

They are if we say they are so shut up!

290 Blazer: There you are. Happy Sunday. Your comments are always the funniest/wittiest.

291 Honest Cloud unclouded left when he couldn't find his talking points addressing how CommieCare's wouldn't in fact effect small business that use HSAs and other high deductible health plans.

292
I was wondering what they hell they were doing in the video. It looked they were eating themselves and each other naked but it was too quick to see.

293 What happens if all the self-employed people and small businesses just stop paying income taxes? They can't arrest all of us, can they?

294

That would be far more entertaining than this boring 0-0 Reds vs. Rockies game I'm watching.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:09 PM (Y0WgB)

At least you get to watch the Reds.

295 Blazer:

There you are. Happy Sunday. Your comments are always the funniest/wittiest.

Posted by: MJ at July 18, 2010 02:15 PM (BKOsZ)

Why thank ya', thank ya' verruh much.

*blushes*

296 Is that the return of RayCon???? I thought he had been cast to the depths of Mordor.

297 They can't arrest all of us, can they?

As soon as we get out of the Academy we can.

298 ""The unwashed masses continue to swallow the lies dictator's cock like they were Skittles.""


there, all fixed

299

Liberal training and indoctrination center.

Sweet Fancy Moses.

And their vote counts as much as ours. Sigh.

300

If they want to call it a tax fine. The Supreme Court has already ruled against them though in Bailey Vs. Drexal Furiture.

259 U.S. 38: "Where the sovereign enacting the law has power to impose both tax and penalty the difference between revenue production and mere regulation may be immaterial, but not so when one sovereign can impose a tax only, and the power of regulation rests in another. Taxes are occasionally imposed in the discretion of the legislature on proper subjects with the primary motive of obtaining revenue from them and with the incidental motive of discouraging them by making their continuance onerous. They do not lose their character as taxes because of the incidental motive. But there comes a time in the extension of the penalizing features of the so-called tax when it loses its character as such and becomes a mere penalty with the characteristics of regulation and punishment. Such is the case in the law before us. Although Congress does not invalidate the contract of employment or expressly declare that the employment within the mentioned ages is illegal, it does exhibit its intent practically to achieve the latter result by adopting the criteria of wrongdoing and imposing its principal consequence on those who transgress its standard."

259 U.S. 41: "the court, speaking of the extent of the taxing power, used these cautionary words:'There are, indeed, certain virtual limitations, arising from the principles of the Constitution itself. It would undoubtedly be an abuse of the power if so exercised as to impair the separate existence and independent self-government of the States, or if exercised for ends inconsistent with the limited grants of power in the Constitution.'"

259 U.S. 43: "The court, there, made manifest its view that the provisions of the so-called taxing act must be naturally and reasonably adapted to the collection of the tax and not solely to the achievement of some other purpose plainly within state power. For the reasons given, we must hold the Child Labor Tax Law invalid...."

301 Posted by: NASA - scouring the universe for muslim accomplishments at July 18, 2010 02:13 PM (YVZlY)

--I think the Muslims gave us the song that goes, "There's a place in France where the naked ladies dance . . ."

302

At least you get to watch the Reds.

Snooze-a-rama.

0-0 bottom of  the fourth.

303 I was wondering what they hell they were doing in the video. It looked they were eating themselves and each other naked but it was too quick to see.

Posted by: boner pills cheap at July 18, 2010 02:15 PM (Pwiim)

Its bad, real bad slowed down. Even worse, it was supposedly ten times more horrible before they edited it. The un-edited version didn't survive, it was left on the cutting room floor before the movie was released so there will be no  additions of it included in any future dvd's.

I don't know whether to be thankful or disappointed.

304 326

Liberal training and indoctrination center.

Sweet Fancy Moses.

And their vote counts as much as ours. Sigh.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:18 PM (Y0WgB)

I'd hit it too!

305 Man, that woman sure is hard-headed. Must be a recent trend among women nationally.

306
fuck it! we'll do it live. fuck it!

I think I'll watch The Mummy. Never seen it before.

Also never seen: CLOAK & DAGGER (1984)
Remember that?

307

OT:

You know how Sarah Palin endorsed Karen Handel for Georgia governor?

Governor Jan Brewer has also endorsed Handel. I know Georgia has an illegal alien problem. Will Handel support a law similar to Arizona's?

308 I think I'll watch The Mummy. Never seen it before.

If you are talking the new version it is pretty good. Also, the sequel is even better than the first (that is real rare).

I haven't seen the third one.

309 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:19 PM (Y0WgB)

I have to do the inning by inning recaps, which are online and almost live. Don't have the money this year, buy may buy the WLS?  package next year so that I can at least listen to Brennaman.

310

Also never seen: CLOAK & DAGGER (1984)
Remember that?

I saw it in the theater when it came out.

311

Governor Jan Brewer has also endorsed Handel. I know Georgia has an illegal alien problem. Will Handel support a law similar to Arizona's?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 18, 2010 02:22 PM (P33XN)

Cuccinelli in Va. came out last week and also expressed support for Arizona's SB 1070. I wish McDonnel would back it by following suit.

312


Also never seen: CLOAK & DAGGER (1984)
Remember that?


Actually not a bad flick. Dabney Coleman is pretty good in it.

313
yeah, The Mummy from 1999. Wow can't believe that movie is 11 years old already.

holy shit the the decade 2000-2009 flew by

314 Will Handel support a law similar to Arizona's?

Kansas is so far pussying out. They tried to get support for it but it failed. Maybe when Brownback wins the Gov. race this year, it might get some legs again.

315 Another legal argument that I brewed up while waiting for my grande coffee...

One side in the legal wars likes to argue that if a right is not funded by the government, it is a functionally denied right.

Now, let's say that I am required to purchase a mandated insurance plan, from a federally approved authority, via the tax power. I can actually see this as perhaps within the scope of the Congressional powers. I consider it a very poor use of the tax power, and one that no liberty-loving people should put up with, but I will not flat out say that the law violates the letter of the Constitution. Spirit--no doubt. But perhaps not the letter, and though I would fight it, it would perhaps not be beyond the pale if the ruling said "yes the Congress may so legislate". In that case, a liberty-loving people would beard that Congress via the amendment process. 

But back to the mandate. There is then the matter of the free association clause of the First amendment. Why cannot I choose to pay the tax penalty and contract with a non-compliant insurance carrier? What if the insurance carrier is entirely within one state and one state only? Has not my freedom of association been infringed upon? If not--what power does Congress have to regulate and license trades? Is that not a state power--not just historically, but in fact today? Yes. Congress may not license trades, only interstate commerce, and the mere fact of existence does not make a business an interstate commerce. This is a tiring argument, to be sure, but the mere fact that the courts have so ruled that almost everything under the sun may start to be considered interstate commerce does not mean the mass of the people have also so ruled. Else they would have created and passed a Constitutional amendment to that purpose, which they have not. Which means the old clause is still the only valid one, Constitutionally, and it is the courts that are wrong. Now, why?

First--as I said, the old clause giving the power to Congress to regulate interstate commerce can not be superseded by a court ruling, not even a Court that has been given wide power via Title 28. It is also not within the power of Congress to enable the Supreme Court to overrule preexsting clauses of the Constitution via Title 28 language. The courts can overturn legislation that conflicts with the Constitution (a grant of power via Title 2 but they cannot overturn Constitutional clauses themselves. They can only intepert.

Thus, second--there is a clause of the Constitution that says that Congress may regulate interstate commerce. This automatically implies there is then such a thing as intrastate commerce, else there would no need for the qualifier "interstate". Furthermore, there being no additional grant of power from the people (in the form of Constitutional amendment), Congress has no power to regulate intrastate commerce and no court has the power to rule there is no such thing as intrastate commerce, as the only grant of powers the court has comes from Article III and Title 28; Article III does not grant it and Title 28 cannot. The courts quite simply cannot rule existing clauses of the Constitution out of existence; and thus neither can they ever rule there is no such thing as intrastate commerce, as the mere mention of the word "interstate" in the Constitution means there are other forms of commerce upon which Congress may not trod. And regardless of whether or not the Court agrees with this, it can do nothing, as the only agency that can legislate the idea of intrastate commerce out of Constitutional existence is the people--and they have not so acted. 

Thus, there is such a thing as intrastate commerce, and Congress cannot regulate it. In addition, if it did so, it would be violating the right of free association, for once we agree that Congress does not have the power to license a trade conducted within a state we have to agree that it has infringed upon my right to conduct business as I choose--my right to associate.

And, to finally use that bit of liberal logic I first mentioned, even if Congress relented and allowed me to contract with insurance carriers that serve only my home state, the fact that they have taken my money for a essentially nationalized insurance carrier has robbed me of a functional freedom of association, as I will not be able to afford the extra expense, and thus the national mandate is a functional violation of my First amendment rights. If you use that kind of logic, and while I would not, it is part of current precedent and case law and therefore to not apply such logic evenly in this case as well is to deny me due process of law (as we are frequently reminded in other liberally-supported causes).

316 336 I forget, are you a SW OH native?

317 Not to worry.  As soon as the courts tell Obama where to put his "non-tax tax", ObamaCare will go sneakers up -- just as it was intended to.  The only problem for Barry, Nancy and Harry was that they thought they'd still hold a majority in Congress after the 2010 elections so that they could roll right into 'single payer'. 

318

I guess Karen Handel has already answered my questions about her position on illegal aliens.

From Handel's site:

http://tinyurl.com/2ae9gfx

 

319 Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:29 PM (Y0WgB)

No, Kansas. Just a 40 year Reds fan.

320
OMG, the suffering Gaza is horrible ! They better get another aid flotilla there soon or surely they will all perish.

tinyurl.com/3xkmg5x

321
Sam Brownback is running for governor?

Wow was he ever the disappointment during the primaries. Between Brownback, Hagel, and McCain it was like a competition of who could be the King of the Compromisers with the Democrats.

322

Good Lord!!  It's time for the Revolution! No more privacy & will be forced to eat foods only the govt. allows.  It's going to get worse with ObamaCare.

 

Now the govt. bureaucrats will have access to all our personal records & it's NOW called a tax.  Deceit.  Obama does "lie".  Of course, we had to pass the health care to see what was inside it.

 

I recommend everyone to just read that new book out about a small town of Americans who finally stand up to this tyranny, contintual foreign wars & bureaucrats crossing the land to harass us.  Hey, it's the same issues as before in 1776.

 

I only recommend it cause it could be our home town one day.

www.booksbyoliver.com

323

347 To be fair, they needed that  mall.

The rooftop there gives them optimum rocket launching capabilities.

324 Can you say "Adios to General Practioners" and "Hola to very very very long waits to see a Family Doctor"?  My Doc, a general practioner, is leaving practice as soon as this shit hit the fan.  We're fucked and that is that.

325 --I think the Muslims gave us the song that goes, "There's a place in France where the naked ladies dance . . ."
Posted by: logprof at July 18, 2010 02:19 PM

Hate to tell you this, since you're doin' such a great job of looking here, there and every-freekin'-where for Muslim accomplishments that didn't result in death or maiming of non-Muslims, but the tune for this epic, immortal song was written by:



---



---


a Jooooooo!

God bless you, Sol Bloom, wherever you may be!

326 Sam Brownback is running for governor?

Yep. And he barely has a Dem challenger because the Dems know they will lose by nearly 60 percent. I'm not kidding, he has a commanding astronomical lead on any challenger. Yes, he is part squish and he has supported Sebelius while she was still here and not fellating Obama. But, he is above RINO and has a strong socially conservative credential. With him you take the good with the bad. Also, when he won the Senate seat, he said he would only stay for two terms and sure enough, that's what he did.

327

Doo Dah...You WIN THE COOKIE!!!! The tanning tax is absolutely a tax on white people. It is as racist as taxes can get.

Posted by: Austute Observer at July 18, 2010 01:37 PM (4JNwu)

 

It isn't as sophisticated as a tax. It's a street hustler's scam. Nothing more. A scam that will empower and thereby enrich the street hustlers, aka, the Chicago Mob. 

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ran similar scams, but on much smaller scales. This time, street hustler, Obama,  pulled the heist of the century with the help of a sleazy Congress, pressured and manipulated by the Black Caucus, who are nothing but gangsters themselves, out to scam the system..

 

328

Can you say "Adios to General Practioners" and "Hola to very very very long waits to see a Family Doctor"? 

Don't worry. We'll just flood the country with third world doctors. They work cheap and their presence will force out all the bad old doctors that charge too much.

Yes we can!

329 OMG, the suffering Gaza is horrible ! They better get another aid flotilla there soon or surely they will all perish.

tinyurl.com/3xkmg5x

Oh, those poor poor suffering goat-fuckers.

330 To be fair, they needed that  mall.

The rooftop there gives them optimum rocket launching capabilities.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:34 PM (Y0WgB)

There's also a Camel Republic an Infidel Target, a Bomb, Bath and Beyond and a Muhammed's Penney at that mall from what I understand.

331 pressured and manipulated by the Black Caucus, who are nothing but gangsters themselves, out to scam the system..

I thought those amigos were pretty nice actually.

332 I'm not sure this tax argument is going to fly...  

What's next, a tax that requires me to buy GM car?

333 258 246 ^{Since, in effect, this healthcare scam is a tax on people who pay taxes in order to pay reparations to people who don't pay taxes, will those people who don't pay taxes have to pay taxes when their receipt of huge healthcare benefits puts them in a higher income tax bracket?}

^{Posted by: Doo Dah, Doo Dah at July 18, 2010 01:27 PM (sYrWB)}

^{Doo Dah...You WIN THE COOKIE!!!! The tanning tax is absolutely a tax on white people. It is as racist as taxes can get.}

^{Posted by: Austute Observer}

Don't forget, not all businesses with tanning beds will be paying the tax. Health clubs that have tanning beds will not be taxed as long as the use is part of the charged monthly dues.

334

There's also a Camel Republic an Infidel Target, a Bomb, Bath and Beyond and a Muhammed's Penney at that mall from what I understand.

Don't forget about eating at Johnny Mohammed Rocket's after a long day of bomb vest shopping!!

335 357 ^{To be fair, they needed that  mall.}

^{The rooftop there gives them optimum rocket launching capabilities.}

^{Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:34 PM (Y0WgB)}

^{There's also a Camel Republic an Infidel Target, a Bomb, Bath and Beyond and a Muhammed's Penney at that mall from what I understand.}

^{Posted by: Blazer}

I ain't shopping at the Target at that mall.

336 Hate to tell you this, since you're doin' such a great job of looking here, there and every-freekin'-where for Muslim accomplishments that didn't result in death or maiming of non-Muslims, but the tune for this epic, immortal song was written by:



---



---


a Jooooooo!

God bless you, Sol Bloom, wherever you may be!

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 18, 2010 02:36 PM (Ulu3i)

--Holy shit, that's hilarious!

337 Capitalism is my religion, and this is a gross violation of my 1st amendment rights to express my faith.

338

OT: Bachmann Rips Dem Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Over Comments Claiming Tea Partiers Once Wore White SheetsÂ…http://y3g7h.th8.us

Bonus: nice pic of Bachman

339

I think tanning salons will be out of business completely in 2-3 years anyway.

I can't tell you how many pieces of junk mail I've gotten since that tax hit. At least seven or eight just in the past couple months.

Those honest and ethical enough to report on it though will couch it as a downfall of people being more UV conscious and buying more self-tanning products.

340 MrCaniac and other late-night Morons:

One of the next few nights y'all should just all go silent and not troll C&L.  Just to fuck with them.

341
They're already sorta taxing you into buying smaller cars.

Cities like Cambridge, Mass are making their parking spaces smaller; only big enough to accommodate a small car no bigger than, say, a Prius. And some parking spaces are designated for 'energy efficient' cars only.

And the govt is already offering tax credits for buying electric cars and shit.

342
It's a slow Sunday afternoon, and back by popular demand are the faux Beach Boys with their all time favorite, Camel Toe.

343 I myself need no healthcare, as I am constructed of riveted iron, with balls of steel.

I also fucking hate comic books, but love Sarah Palin

344
What's more, some of these 'progressive' municipalities are'encouraging' people to take mass transit by enforcing ridiculous time limits on street-side parking such as 1-hour limits.

small spaces
high rates
1-hour time limits
= very inconvenient to drive into town...

all by design.

345
One of the next few nights y'all should just all go silent and not troll C&L.  Just to fuck with them.

Posted by: logprof at July 18, 2010 02:46 PM (BP6Z1)

The suspense would kill them. It would be like that scene from aliens with Pvt. Hudson:

Those things are gonna come in here just like they did before. And they're gonna come in here............. AND THEY'RE GONNA GET US !!

346 Ok, my interest has been piqued -- what is C&L?

347 369  That's why it's always best to go with a skirt!

348 I mowed my lawn a little over an hour ago and our heat index is only around 112 degrees. 100 degrees and 60 some percent humidity, what could go wrong?

349 @371 - simple solution - don't go into the city. Not what They want you to do, but that's kinda the point.

350 I have company so I can't stay and play w/ the trolls.  You guys are doing a wonderful job of poking holes into their personal realities and giving them a window to the real world.  Don't know that it will help though.  You can led a troll to water but you can't make him stop sucking his own ass wind.

351
That's why it's always best to go with a skirt!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:52 PM (Y0WgB)

Lindsey Graham should take your advise.

352

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:51 AM (QOyDu)

And it wasn't a 'tax' either, before the admission that we all knew to be the truth was recently made by Dear Reader.

You appear to be the stupid one.  And, it's c-o-n-t-r-a-r-y.

353
you gotta wonder why they never made a JAWS V.

but those assholes are probably gonna remake JAWS

354 369
It's a slow Sunday afternoon, and back by popular demand are the faux Beach Boys with their all time favorite, Camel Toe.

Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 02:46 PM (v1gw3)

The funneh!

355

That's why it's always best to go with a skirt!

Hey! I cut quite the figure in my mom jeans!

356

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:51 AM (QOyDu)

Dammit, that hurt my ears.

357

Contray to what you morons constantly whine about, YOU CAN KEEP THE INSURANCE YOU HAVE.

God you people are stupid.

Posted by: unclouded at July 18, 2010 11:51 AM (QOyDu)

OK!  How do you unstupid a liberal?

358 373 Ok, my interest has been piqued -- what is C&L?

Posted by: unknown jane at July 18, 2010 02:52 PM (5/yRG)

--crooks and liars . com, a "progressive" (don't call 'em liberals!) blog infested with people who claim to hate the Republican and Democratic parties (don't you dare call it the Democrat Party!) both.

359
hmmm...

WHERE EAGLES DARE

Any reviews? (I'm scanning titles looking for good movies to DL.) Never seen this one before.

360 Since I had to work yesterday and could only lurk, I read about Bo and Reggie Love having to take a separate jet to get to Maine. What's the deal, Obama can't go one weekend without Reggie sucking his cock? Michelle is either in denial or in complete acceptance.

361

Okay I'm off to do some baking.

Ever had Oreo Truffles??

To.Die.For.

362
WHERE EAGLES DARE

Any reviews? (I'm scanning titles looking for good movies to DL.) Never seen this one before.

Posted by: boner pills cheap at July 18, 2010 03:00 PM (Pwiim)

--I liked it, but it has been almost 20 years since I've seen it.

363 OK!  How do you unstupid a liberal?

Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 03:00 PM (v1gw3)

You're name is Fish, I would suggest skinning and filetting them.

364
Dirty Harry killin' Nazi krauts?
Has potential.

365 Further elaboration and refinement of views:

The Supreme Court cannot render already existing Constitutional clauses null and void. Article III does not grant such power, US Code Titles cannot.

Therefore, the mere act of existence means the Court must pay that clause a certain amount of respect. It cannot be made functionally useless. Therefore, because a clause of the Constitution says there is such a thing as interstate commerce that Congress may in fact regulate, the Courts first duty in all such cases must be to determine--honestly--whether the economic activity is mainly intrastate or interstate in character. Not intrastate with an effect on national economic life rendering it really interstate commerce--for to do so then neuters that clause, which the Court does not have the power to do (but has nevertheless done). Intrastate or Interstate, period. There are no other choices. The Court may believe that in fact there is no longer such thing as intrastate commerce. This does not matter. If the Constitution said the Earth was flat and Man cannot land on the Moon, then it would be an error, but the Courts hands would be tied--as far as the law is concerned, the Earth is flat and Man cannot land on the Moon.

Only the people, via the Constitutional amendment process, could rectify the problem and say that the Earth is in fact quite round. Not Congress by itself, nor the Court in concert with Congress. Only the people, via Congress and state governments; or via convention process.

Legitimately, that is.

Thus, the Court must pay honor to the commerce clause as meaning there is such a thing as intrastate commerce (whatever their private beliefs) and a classification decision in all such cases must first be made--intrastate in nature or interstate. And if intrastate--then the statue is dead, automatically, as Congress has no grant of power.

366 unclouded reminds me of a stuck turd. Sending it down to the river is a lot of work, but it's worth it.

367 And going further:

The mere existence of a clause in the Constitution means that in all cases before the Court consideration must be given to whether clauses are being violated. This brings the 9th and 10th amendments into play again.

Inclusion as a rule, not by exception.

368

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Drug hitmen kill 17 at party in Mexico http://bit.ly/a0SoR6

Gunmen in five SUVs drove up to the party in a walled patio and garden on the outskirts of the city in Coahuila state across from Texas, smashed down the door and opened fire on party-goers at about 1 a.m/0500 GMT, Coahuila's prosecutor's office said.

"They came in, opened fire and shot against everything that moved," said an official at the prosecutor's office who declined to be identified.

369 ^{373 Ok, my interest has been piqued -- what is C&L? Posted by: unknown jane at July 18, 2010 02:52 PM (5/yRG)}

What logprof said, along with a group of people who see everything as being racist. Monitors who enforce groupthink by deleting and/or banning those who don't go along with the program. If you were to go over and post "free Mumia", you would automatically be branded as right of center. A place where 25 comments per post is considered to be a hot night, and the worst comment section format ever.
Basically, it makes Chuckles site look like a hot bed of open debate.

370
...said an official at the prosecutor's office who declined to be identified.

hahaha! gotta love Mexico where NO ONE is safe

371 back during the months-long fight over healthcare reform legislation the president said it wasn't a tax -- "I absolutely reject that notion."

But now that it's time to defend the legislation in the courts, Obama's statists are saying health insurance mandates are Constitutionally covered under the federal government's power to...TAX.

In a brief defending the Health Care "Reform" law, the Justice Department says the requirement for people to carry insurance or pay the penalty is “a valid exercise” of CongressÂ’s power to impose taxes.  The government claims Congress can use its taxing power “even for purposes that would exceed its powers under other provisions” of the Constitution.

Okay, lots of good points above, but I think most have missed a huge point:  All three branches of government have at one time or another sought to expand government power by torturing various provisions of the Constitution beyond recognition.  Example:  The Constitution explicitly gives the federal govt the power to regulate "interstate commerce."  So eventually congress (I never capitalize that worthless piece of shit of a body of liars) called on this power to claim that the Constitution *ALLOWED* them to do anything they wanted, AS LONG AS the thing could be considered to affect "interstate commerce" in ANY way, shape or form.

As Gabe, Ace or many of our attorney-morons can tell you, this so-called reasoning violates a host of legal principles.  For example, it makes any attempt to limit federal powers a "nullity," meaning, "why did the Founders bother trying when the X clause permits the govt unlimited power in a certain arena?" (Hint: the law doesn't believe people devote time to provisions in contracts designed to have zero effect.)

So...they fast-balled that one by most non-statist scholars.  And now they're trying for another bite of the apple--this time that the explicit Constitutional authority to TAX allows the government to levy ANY form of tax, for any purpose, even if the use to which the tax is to be put is not allowed to the federal government by the Constitution.
 
Did you catch that?  Statist/thugs/leftist/socialst/Dems claim "It doesn't matter that there's no Constitutional authority to force people to buy private health insurance--we can still levy any desired tax because the Constitution gives us the power to tax.  Regardless of the UnConstitutionality of the *purpose* of the tax."

THIS is why they need killin'.  (Okay, just being metaphoric--need to be *shot out of office by a majority of votes actually cast by living American citizens.)

372

"They came in, opened fire and shot against everything that moved," said an official at the prosecutor's office who declined to be identified.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent - Question: Sarah or Michelle? at July 18, 2010 03:12 PM (YVZlY)

It's gone beyond drugs down there IMO. The ability to freely deal drugs may be the root cause but they are actively engaged in civil war to bring down the government.

373 And the reason why a clause must repeat must be automatically included in consideration of a case is because to not do so it to render it meaningless, and the Court does not have the power to make any clause so. It must give equal weight to all, and consider all equally valid, or none may considered rendered superseded by the passage of time, because its mere existence is a refutance of that stance.  Men may consider a clause superseded by time and events--the court can never do so.

374
26?  I wanna be on the government teat until I'm dead.  Cradle to grave, baby.

waaaaaaaa.  Give.  me. it. you. stupid. tax. payers.

375 <sup>367 MrCaniac and other late-night Morons:

One of the next few nights y'all should just all go silent and not troll C&L.  Just to fuck with them.
Posted by: logprof</sup>

I've been thinking about that. I may go over in a few days and Moby for a while, gain their trust, then start dropping turds everywhere. I'm still trying to figure out why Jim Lahey was banned, I guess drunk posting is not encouraged over there.

376 377 I have company so I can't stay and play w/ the trolls.  You guys are doing a wonderful job of poking holes into their personal realities and giving them a window to the real world.  Don't know that it will help though.  You can led a troll to water but you can't make him stop sucking his own ass wind.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at July 18, 2010 02:55 PM (rurh0)

 

Aw, and you're so effective at "playing" with trolls, too.   _{(See his clever last sentence.)}

377 Here's how I see this playing out .....

Lawsuits dismissed because it is a tax and it needs to go into effect first.  The deciding Judge is given a nice appointment.

Tax goes into effect and lawsuits refiled.  The lawsuits are dismissed when the federal government argues it is not a tax, and the appropriate time to challenge it was before it went into effect.  The deciding judge is given a nice appointment.

378 Also, I don't see much mention of the prohibition of capitation taxes.  Any reason, now that this is admitted to be a tax?

379 Try 400 again:

"because to not do so is to render it meaningless, and the Court does not have the power to make any clause so. It must give equal weight to all, and consider all equally valid, and none may be considered to have been rendered "superseded by the passage of time", because its mere [continued] existence is a refutance of that stance"

And if refutance is not a word, it is now...the act of something having been refuted...

380 Hey, refutal works too. Memory only goes so far sometimes...

381 Obama never met a tax he didn't like. Anybody who believed this jackass in the beginning needs to have their head examined.

382 Posted by: Horatius at July 18, 2010 03:24 PM

Damn, you're being refutational today!

At what school did you study refutationism?

Didja ever notice that almost every word looks really, really stupid if you stare at it long enough?

383 Isn't it time for a World Cup thread or something?

384

"One side in the legal wars likes to argue that if a right is not funded by the government, it is a functionally denied right. "

Oh I see.  I guess that explains the argument that the MSM should be subsidized by the feds.

Isn't it a fact that the Bill of Rights tells the federal government what it cannot do?

What am I missing here?

385

385  Ah, thank you.

Well, I'll give them props for not being so dishonest as to call themselves "liberal" (liberals today are being very dishonest calling themselves that imho), but they may need to rethink the semantic truthfulness of "progressive"...I fail to see anything truly progress engendering in the progressive platform (seems a bit retrograde if you ask me; perhaps it is my wilful clinging to folksy stupor, just like my failure to embrace healthscam).

386

OK!  How do you unstupid a liberal?

Take all their money and all their stuff. Okay, that won't really cure the stupid but at least you'll have all their money and all their stuff.

387 We think this is a clever refutal to our position that we should try to repeal parts of this that we don't like.  So we're leaving the president's crowning achievement alone, and keeping our powder dry for the really big fights.  So vote for us anyway, as we're definitely a different choice from the Democrats.

388

Take all their money and all their stuff. Okay, that won't really cure the stupid but at least you'll have all their money and all their stuff.

Posted by: ErikW at July 18, 2010 03:37 PM (Ln9Gx)

You could take their women too but would you really want to?

389

Political whplash, it's what's for dinner.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 18, 2010 11:39 AM (WhMof)

It has a formal term of art: Newspeak.

George Orwell was only off by 24 years or so.

390 Isn't it time for a World Cup thread or something?

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 18, 2010 03:35 PM (7+pP9)

Germany and Spain are now fighting over custody of Paul the Octopus.  The Germans have declined to sell him to the Madrid Zoo.  Just as well: even though Paul called the Spain-Netherlands final correctly, his real specialty is calling matches in which Germany is competing.  It's best to let him stick with what he knows best.

I, for one, welcome our new cephalopod overlords.

391

Again that sleazy old rhino, Mr. Magoo, gave himself away. He can't help hilmself.

During his debate with conservative, former Congressman, J.D. Hayworth, and Minuteman, Jim Deakin, yesterday, he said that he wants to modify and to rewrite healthcare legislation, while J.D. and Deakin both said that they want to completely dismantle Obama's healthcare legislation.  Never mind that all of his talking points and all of his pats on his own back were revisionist history,  and never mind that he lied repeatedly, accusing his opponents of having taken positions on issues which Mr. Magoo had taken on those issues himself, repeatedly projecting his own positions onto his opponents, and fighting dirtier and dirtier as the debate went on. That's Mr. Magoo, our sleazy senator from Arizona, successor to. Barry Goldwater, who must be turning in his grave.

392 O/T: Believe it or not, Rachel Maddow was really hawt at one time

393
yeah and Chastity Bono was a cute little girl at one time...

now she's an ugly little fat dude

394 Where Eagles Dare.  Great movie w/ Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood.  One of several Alister McLean books made into a movie.  Some "scenery" in the movie too.

395 This sorta fits the meme so, this past Friday, I have a patient post-op, an semi-elective chole. Wants pain meds, IV and then pills and then IV again. Wants a lunch tray, wants gatorade, wants me to call the doctor, wants to stay the night because this is the worst thing EVA. Wants the diabetic instructor to come to the room. Wants info on diabetic diets. This is utterly typical behavior of virtually any young medicaid patient. Problem is, he was just in the Hospital a week ago for DKA. He just got all of the instruction and all of the meds and Rx's he could need and it cost him not one red fuckin cent.
So, I do all this shit and he tells the Diabetic teacher that he uses R insulin to chase the food he eats because he wants to eat it, follows no diet, got none of the prescriptions filled after his free to fucking him hospital stay, has been a diabetic for many years and is only now considering doing anything about it because, at this moment, his belly hurts. You and I will soon enough be paying for his dialysis because he has no reason to change  his habits. It is all free to him.
Is there a point to my little tale? Hell, yeah. To say that this Socialist utopian nightmare that is about to descend on us will save any money is insanity. absolute insanity.

396 Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 18, 2010 03:50 PM

I'd hit that.

397
A FISTFUL OF DYNAMITE

I never heard of this Sergio Leone spahetti western movie until now. It stars James Coburn and Rod Steiger.

Any good?

398 IMPEACH NOW! Please -someone- anyone...can we get the tea party going on this.

399 Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 18, 2010 03:50 PM

I'd hit that.

Posted by: David Paterson at July 18, 2010 03:58 PM (Ulu3i)

It's only safe if you roll it over.

400 If its a tax, then its an illegal capitation tax! Someone tell Mark Levin so he doesn't get blindsided by it.

401

Political whplash, it's what's for dinner.

Okay -- this is O/T but still whiplash inducing:

On the July 17 broadcast of "The McLaughlin Group" during the predictions segment, both Newsweek columnist Eleanor Clift and MSNBC political contributor Pat Buchanan made astounding predictions about what the situation would be in a post-2010 election cycle.

"After the Democratic in November, there will be a push to put Hillary Rodham Clinton on the ticket in 2012," Buchanan declared.

One could be skeptical and say Buchanan was just throwing an outrageous prediction out there since he's conservative and opposed to a lot of President Barack Obama's policies. However, his panelist, a very pro-Obama Eleanor Clift agreed.

"And she may trade places with Joe Biden and Joe Biden may be the next Secretary of State," Clift added.

"Exactly," Buchanan added.

Via NewsBusters

402

Craziest headline of the day: Motorcyclist survives 300-foot plunge off cliff

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 18, 2010 02:04 PM


Arlo?

403 ^{419 O/T: Believe it or not, Rachel Maddow was really hawt at one time
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard}

Probably the only time in her life she had a pearl necklace.

404 The fuck?

Just got a knock on my door from my neighbor.

Turns out my car got broken into last night.

What was taken?

Was it the radio?

No.

Was it a box of light hand tools?

No.

Was it a tape measure, pair of head phones, road Atlas?

No, no, and no.

Someone is now sporting 4 pairs of wrinkly size 4 work pants that needed pressing.

WTF?

So, in addition to the hassle of getting my window replaced, I get to go out and try on pants.

I hate trying on pants.

And these aren't even fun pants or cute pants or sexy pants.

Fucking work pants.

405 To say that this Socialist utopian nightmare that is about to descend on us will save any money is insanity. absolute insanity.

Actually what will happen is the government will begin enforcing forced diets and use this kind of shit as an excuse to kill the rest of us.

406 Damn, this has been a five hour thread. In that timespan, I have mowed the lawn, de-boned a chicken, peeled celery, carrots, and onion, drank four glasses of wine, fed my dogs, and had one erection. The erection did not occur at the same time that I de-boned the chicken.

407

Guess what I did last night?

I broke into this chick's car and stole her pants. Hahahaha.

408 @434

LOL!

409 <sup>And these aren't even fun pants or cute pants or sexy pants.

Fucking work pants.

Posted by: Deety (hangin' out in her undies)</sup>

Uhm, mam, we need to file our report. We need to have some pictures of you in the cute or sexy pants, plus some in your undies so we know what to be on the look out for.

Thank you.

410 Wow, the Democrats lied?  Sure didn't see that one coming.

411

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 18, 2010 04:08 PM (nxUYP)

I keep advising that a weekend blogger be hired

412 #431

Deety,

Some democrat broke into my car in my office parking lot, to steal a sirius portable receiver, which he could not use.

$4000. 

Broke back window, destroyed two window moldings, pulled out receiver, tore out the A/C vents. Car still not right. 

Did I mention the car alarm went off and he jumped over our fence and cut the shit out of his bad democrat selfs?

Hope the bastard bleeds to death.

RACIST!!

413 Obama: It's A Tax! ------------ No, it's a dessert topping! (can't believe it's gone this far without it)

414

You could take their women too but would you really want to?

Yoohoo!

415

Let's try that again.

 

You could take their women too but would you really want to?

Yoohoo!

 

Aw to hell with it.

416

Germany and Spain are now fighting over custody of Paul the Octopus.  The Germans have declined to sell him to the Madrid Zoo.  Just as well: even though Paul called the Spain-Netherlands final correctly, his real specialty is calling matches in which Germany is competing.  It's best to let him stick with what he knows best.

I, for one, welcome our new cephalopod overlords.

Posted by: stuiec at July 18, 2010 03:45 PM (W+GYq)

Thnx 4 the update.

417 Deety@431. The week after graduating college, my car got broken into and the SOBs stole my filled-to-the-brim laundry bag, including pretty much all of my work clothes and my granddad's vintage tux that I was supposed to wear to a wedding the following week. At $4/hr, I was too poor to replace the window at the dealership, so I went to the pick-your-part yard and pulled an entire door for 10 bucks. And I was already the worst-dressed person in my fairly wealthy Connecticut workplace, so it didn't help matters...

418 Hi all!  Is this an open thread?  What's up?

419 Just in case nobody else has mentioned it, this is an excellent piece about the progressive ruling class and we the ruled from The American Spectator, found via Instapundit, http://tinyurl.com/2d8quul

Long, but a must read and disseminate.

420 433 Damn, this has been a five hour thread. In that timespan, I have mowed the lawn, de-boned a chicken, peeled celery, carrots, and onion, drank four glasses of wine, fed my dogs, and had one erection.

How you doin'? 

421 This morning, those astute and politically savvy intellectuals, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman and Nora O'Donnell, predicted that Jed Bush will be the Republicans' presidential candidate in 2012. One reason they gave is because Jed speaks Spanish "fluently and with sincerity", not from rehearsed lines given to him by his handlers.  Wouldn't that be hilarious if another Bush defeated Obama? Oh the humiliation.

422 Oops, that's Jeb, not Jed.

423 How you doin'? 

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 04:27 PM (O627A)

Sorry, I'm almost 47, the erection didn't last long. Not that there was any completion, it just lost interest.

424

The next tree I'm cutting down is that fucking Silver Maple in the front yard. Every time a storm comes through, another giant limb falls out and crushes the damn fence. Silver Maples suck, they rot out easily and fall apart.

I'll fell the sumbitch on my libtard neighbor's house, just to be a dick.

425 448 This morning, those astute and politically savvy intellectuals, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman and Nora O'Donnell, predicted that Jed Bush will be the Republicans' presidential candidate in 2012.

Because they cannot fathom the idea that Republicans ever have an original idea.  Just like they truly believe that rich people = evil = Republicans or Southerners = hicks = racists.  And, of course, there are absolutely no Republican politicians who don't look like the guy on the dollar bill or who might actually be women.

426 That must have been a heckuva good drunk last night, anybody who wakes up feel free to give a new thread.

427 431 Illegal alien dayworkers.Women's workpants will fit them just fine.

428 Sorry, I'm almost 47, the erection didn't last long. Not that there was any completion, it just lost interest.

I'm almost 48.  That shouldn't matter. 

Perhaps if your partner bedazzled her vajayjay or twattooed herself... ;-) 

429
hello?

what am i... invisible?

430

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 04:33 PM (O627A)

i'm 21 over here no need for tattoos or boner pills for me

431 Perhaps if your partner bedazzled her vajayjay or twattooed herself... ;-)

Jesus, it took me 6 months to get my wife to shave the damn thing. Priorities.

432
Uhm, mam, we need to file our report. We need to have some pictures of you in the cute or sexy pants, plus some in your undies so we know what to be on the look out for.

Thank you.

Posted by: AoSHQ Police Dept at July 18, 2010 04:12 PM (Vol3D)

No picture line-up is complete without a close up of the camel toe.

433

The next tree I'm cutting down is that fucking Silver Maple in the front yard. Every time a storm comes through, another giant limb falls out and crushes the damn fence. Silver Maples suck, they rot out easily and fall apart.

They don't call them soft maples for nothing. How big is it?

434 I know the troll who insisted that there is no public option got refutalized, but was this article linked? Small businesses in Massachusetts falling back to public option.

435

Bob Schieffer: During My 30 Minute Interview With Eric Holder Last Sunday, I DidnÂ’t Ask Him About the Black Panther Thing Because I DidnÂ’t Know About It http://bit.ly/azhvHE

436 btw Finegold is now -1 in the polls

if Angle doesn't screw up NV and we survive the scandals in IL, this could be a really good year then even some of the biggest optimists thought

437 A boner unused is a boner wasted...

438

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 04:25 PM (O627A)

We have tons of feral swine in Ohio, there's an open season on them. As long as you have a hunting license it's no limit, baby! I hear they're good eatin.'

439 464 The trouble is,it may already be too late.

440

What logprof said, along with a group of people who see everything as being racist. Monitors who enforce groupthink by deleting and/or banning those who don't go along with the program. If you were to go over and post "free Mumia", you would automatically be branded as right of center. A place where 25 comments per post is considered to be a hot night, and the worst comment section format ever.
Basically, it makes Chuckles site look like a hot bed of open debate.

That was pure poetry MrCarnaic

441

They don't call them soft maples for nothing. How big is it?

About an 8 foot circumference at shoulder height and 35-40 feet tall. I won't let my niece play under it because there is no telling when it'll drop a limb.

442
Let's give Bob Schieffer the benefit of the doubt.  He knew every other thing in world news last week, and the only exception is the Shabazz Holder and New Black Panther dust-up.  Besides, it's only a minor detail. 

443 We have tons of feral swine in Ohio, there's an open season on them. As long as you have a hunting license it's no limit, baby! I hear they're good eatin.'

This was my first attempt at cooking it.  I wound up dry rubbing it (chili powder, cinnamon, Chinese 5 spice powder, pepper, and brown sugar) and grilling it, then serving it with a mango-peach salsa (peaches are really good here right now).  It turned out well (judging from the contented belches Mr. Y-not is emanating).  I cheated though and got the meat from Fossil Farms. 

The meat has more consistency than pork tenderloin (grainier, which I prefer) and is darker.  Somewhere between pork and beef, I'd say.  I've read that you should brine it, but I was too lazy to do that.  I thought it turned out fine, not dry. 

444 And it looks like we're setting up for another round of storms. I guess I better sharpen the chain.

445 EricW@452, my nemeses are the eucalyptuses in the common area of our complex, which regularly drop limbs onto my patio. Then, the HOA Gestapo bitches when I throw the branches back OVER the fence into the common area. Grrr.

446 It's full of TAXES!

447

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 04:44 PM (O627A)

Sounds delish! I may have to steal your recipe, I have a pork tenderloin in the fridge.

448 And it looks like we're setting up for another round of storms. I guess I better sharpen the chain.

Posted by: ErikW at July 18, 2010 04:44 PM (Ln9Gx)

I'll trade you, you can have my fucking Chinese Elms. Those fuckers can barely hold a 40 mph wind, let alone a Kansas storm.

449 The UK is soo fucked!

How fucked?

"The true scale of Britain's national indebtedness was laid bare by the Office for National Statistics yesterday: almost £4 trillion, or £4,000bn, about four times higher than previously acknowledged."

450 473 EricW@452, my nemeses are the eucalyptuses in the common area of our complex, which regularly drop limbs onto my patio. Then, the HOA Gestapo

Ours is a pepper tree.  Spontaneously lost a couple of major branches last year.  Really annoying.

We don't have an HOA but we do have old people who "volunteer" to walk around the neighborhood ratting out their neighbors if their trashcans are left out too long or they dare to touch a tree.  Our neighbor, although not elderly, is a tree Nazi.  'Can't wait to leave this neighborhood of uptight aging (rich) hippies. 

451 I'll trade you, you can have my fucking Chinese Elms.

We have a couple of those, too.  Fortunately, they haven't dropped anything major, but we do spend several hundred bucks each to trim them, every third year or so. 

Great shade, though. 

452
"The true scale of Britain's national indebtedness was laid bare by the Office for National Statistics yesterday: almost £4 trillion, or £4,000bn, about four times higher than previously acknowledged."

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 18, 2010 04:47 PM (oL8lS)

Lightweights! They were only off 400%. 

453 47 I have to say,as fucked as we are,I still get a warm feeling thinking how much more fucked the euroweenies and the Chinese are.We truly live in interesting times.

454

I'll trade you, you can have my fucking Chinese Elms. Those fuckers can barely hold a 40 mph wind, let alone a Kansas storm.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 18, 2010 04:46 PM (nxUYP)

On the positive side, at least I'll have plenty of firewood. If next winter is anything like last winter, I'll need al I can get.

455

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 18, 2010 04:47 PM (oL8lS)

that's us if Obama is re-elected (note that Tea Party that gave us Angle)

456
about four times higher than previously acknowledged."

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at July 18, 2010 04:47 PM (oL8lS)

Never fear Britain, France will come to the rescue, and all that dental work you have been putting off for a hundred years can be completed by NHS qualified Pakistani dentists?

457 I am  dedicated follower of fashion.

458 We don't have an HOA but we do have old people who "volunteer" to walk around the neighborhood ratting out their neighbors if their trashcans are left out too long or they dare to touch a tree.  Our neighbor, although not elderly, is a tree Nazi.  'Can't wait to leave this neighborhood of uptight aging (rich) hippies. 

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 04:47 PM (O627A)

Wait until your neighbor goes on vacation. Rent a crane. Cut down the tree, lift it with the crane, deposit it gently in their front yard.

Tie a nice ribbon around it.

459

Hey, look! That's a vacation spot. That's a golf club. That's my huge wife. But, that's not a tax.

No fucking way, crackery racists.

460

Never fear Britain, France will come to the rescue, and all that dental work you have been putting off for a hundred years can be completed by NHS qualified Pakistani dentists?  Posted by: Fish

France has some, err, umm, problems to attend to first.

"French officials say rioters burned cars and shot at police while protesting the police shooting of a man accused of robbing a casino.  The riot erupted late Friday night in the southeastern city of Grenoble."

Let the Car-B-Ques begin!

461

No, really! You can't make this shit up:

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson slammed Arizona's new immigration law on Sunday, saying the legislation could tip the country into "constitutional crisis." http://tinyurl.com/34kngdj

462 Dang, this thread is still going?  Any new or better trolls than rain cloud?

463

We don't have an HOA but we do have old people who "volunteer" to walk around the neighborhood ratting out their neighbors if their trashcans are left out too long or they dare to touch a tree

We do have an HOA in our 'hood that enforces rules that busybody "volunteers" witness.  Got a letter from the HOA that our beautiful wood playset in the backyard was illegal according to HOA rules.  I responded that the only way it was going to be removed from my backyard is if I burned it to the ground.  Never heard back from them.  I think HOA's are as close to communism as you can get without the actual hammer and sickle banner.

464 Happy Sunday evening, morons. 

I'm going to grill steaks and asparagus, and pretend, really hard, that life as we've known it has not been pretty much destroyed by the 52% crowd.

Hopefully, when we are all suffering financially and every which way, the libs and idiots who voted for Preznit Travelogue will suffer way more than the rest of us.

Hopefully, the steak and asparagus will kick up my BMI.  I'd still be hard-pressed to have an ass as big as Michelle Antoinette's.

465

I am  dedicated follower of fashion.

You think that's bad? All during our vacation, she was covered in desserts. Big bitch is trying to keep everyone from having sweets by getting to 'em all first.

466 Wait until your neighbor goes on vacation.

LOL.

She really is annoying.  And *her* trees are not in great shape (they're overgrown), yet she is constantly monitoring ours.  Our backyard crabapple was late to bloom this year and she decided it was dead and offered us her chain saw to cut it down.  Bizarre. 

This is the same neighbor who has declared our shared fence hers.  Fine, but it's falling down, but she won't repair it or replace it because, get this, supposedly her father built it. 

It's a standard wooden fence, nothing unique, and it's a POS, but we cannot replace it because she has some sort of bizarre attachment to it. 

Ugh. 

467 Hey Jane. Nice post. Full of fire.

468 I hate suburbia.

Our rental has a half acre lot with only one immediate neighbor. 

469
Honest Cloud excused himself for an afternoon assignation at Dum Dum's.

470 Marx and Lenin would have been very proud of what Obama has done to this poor sick Republic. In the meantime the dumb ass members of congress just sit back on their tails watching it happen. When this fiasco comes to a head you'd better find yourself a safe fallout shelter.

471 492 Happy Sunday evening, morons.

Good evening, Jane!
 (afternoon for me)

472 Dang, this thread is still going?  Any new or better trolls than rain cloud?

I hate breeders as much as I hate Palin. Cons suck, and Obama rules?

473 The HOA board for the condo I used to live in consisted of busy-bodies who let the power of being on that board go to their head.  People almost came to blows before those fuckers finally got voted out.

474

Posted by: jakeman at July 18, 2010 04:44 PM (8QmEC)

I couldn't handle having to ask permission from an HOA to do anything on my own property.

475

Got a threat of a lien against the house because I stained my redwood fence with redwood fence stain. Had to sandblast it until all the stain was gone and my fence would rot the same color as everyone else's.  Except for the 50 or so that were stained.

I would get a letter, like clockwork, every two weeks about the grass not being perfect. Guy would check my yard on a Friday before I mowed it on Saturday. Every fucking time. By the time I got the letter, yard was mowed. Funny thing was, they gave me 30 days to mow it from the time of the letter.

So glad I'm in backwoods Georgia where I can pee in my backyard.

476 Y-not, It's 95 degrees and 20% humidity today. Don't forget to bring your suntan lotion.

477 Y-Not, we'd been in our home here in Savannah less than two weeks, when the neighborhood association Nazis left a note in our mailbox that we had better clean the pine tree stains off our roof pronto, or.....they'd get really mad and ball up their fists and stuff.

Fuck 'em.  Most of them are snow birds who flee back to NY, Chicago, etc. at the first onset of *gasp* 80 degree weather.  And leave all their stuff on their patios and porches (against association rules) during hurricane season. 

478 It's a standard wooden fence, nothing unique, and it's a POS, but we cannot replace it because she has some sort of bizarre attachment to it. 

Ugh. 

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 05:02 PM (O627A)

Hmm, with this added information, I can see that more direct action needs be taken.

Let me know when *you* go on vacation, particularly out of the country. Somewhere with a lot of witnesses, like a cruise ship.

(Begins packing "Dexter Bag.")

That was a joke, for the FBI people following me in that white van.

479
My best friend represents many condo boards, and describes them as over-the-hill attorney's, do-gooders, and liberal assholes who hate their wives and love the board meetings because it gets them out of the house. 

480 At our previous house, my husband built a stone wall with a wooden gate in the middle of it.  One day as I was driving away from the house, I see some town bureaucrat measuring the gate.  I was late to get my son to a doctor's appt. so I couldn't stop.  A few weeks later, we get a letter from the town that the gate was 1 1/2 inches above the allowable gate height.

So, my husband dumped some top soil and raised ground level 2 inches.

481 So, my husband dumped some top soil and raised ground level 2 inches.

Posted by: Tami at July 18, 2010 05:12 PM (VuLos)

Nice!

482 EricW@502, one of the great pleasures of our impending strategic "f*ck the system" default is that we're moving to an HOA-less environment.

483 I can't BELIEVE you wingers! You're always so selfish! You object to a little tax, and now you're whining about not being able to impose yourselves on your neighbors with your stained fences and mowing your lawns on the wrong day!

If you were decent, non-selfish human beings like me, you'd just shut up and DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO DO! And give me all your money, you greedy CONS!

484

From Fox news:  (Wonder if Robyn has to blow before the move?)

Disgraced Hollywood actor Mel Gibson is planning a move to Australia with his soon-to-be ex-wife, the Daily Telegraph reported Sunday.

Gibson, who is facing allegations that he beat his former girlfriend, Oksana Grigorieva, during a dispute last January, has reportedly sold one of his homes in the U.S.

The actor sold his New York estate, Old Mill Farm, for $28 million, according to the newspaper. He also reportedly put his Malibu, Calif., home on the market for $17 million.

The newspaper also reported that Gibson plans to relocate to Australia with his estranged wife, Robyn, who defended the actor in a written statement last week, in which she said "Mel never engaged in any physical abuse of any kind toward me before, during or after our marriage." The two were married for 28 years.

485

A few weeks later, we get a letter from the town that the gate was 1 1/2 inches above the allowable gate height.

What the fuck was he thinking?! One and a half FULL inches OVER?! My fucking God, you people are worse than Hitler. Probably voted for neocons, too!

486 I don't know how you mega-sockpuppeters do it, just thinking like a liberal for 30 seconds gave me a headache.

487 Jane D'oh@506, I think I have you beat. We got an HOA nastygram, complete with a threat of a $50 fine, about our dog barking 3 days after moving into our house. What's interesting about it was that I work at home, so I almost surely would know if she was "barking all day" as the letter claimed.

488 This morning, those astute and politically savvy intellectuals, Chris Matthews and Howard Fineman and Nora O'Donnell, predicted that Jed Bush will be the Republicans' presidential candidate in 2012.

Hahahaha, that is about the stupidist thing I have heard since raycon got booted. I can't believe those idiots actually get paid for spreading crap.

I have a better chance of being picked for the 2012 race than Jeb Bush.

489

Posted by: jakeman at July 18, 2010 05:14 PM (8QmEC)

Congratulations! I recommend country living! Like gator said, you can piss in your yard and also set off fireworks all night long and no one will bother you.

 

490 Here's what you do,Vic: divorce your cancer-stricken wife on her hospital bed,pardon a vicious killer to slaughter four cops, and tell a popular woman to mind her place because she isn't a serious human being. You'll sweep the primaries.

491 Hello, handsome moron men.  Are any of you in need of my sweet love?  Please e-mail me, with a picture and your financial portfolio.  Also, would be helpful if doctor could give sperm count to me. 

492 "So, my husband dumped some top soil and raised ground level 2 inches." I hope you filed an environmental impact statement for that little stunt missy, otherwise you're in deep do-do. But what can you expect from a woman who isn't a serious human being?

493 521 Hello, handsome moron men.  Are any of you in need of my sweet love?  Please e-mail me, with a picture and your financial portfolio.  Also, would be helpful if doctor could give sperm count to me. 

Posted by: Oksana Whatever, fertile Russian ho at July 18, 2010 05:20 PM (UOM4

Dear Oksana,

I'll get working on the sperm count data you require, but first, you will blow me!

494  I think if I ever got a letter from a HOA the first thing I would do is go down to the local junkyard and buy the biggest piece of crap landship I could find, tow it to the house and put it up on blocks in the front yard.

495
Jeb Bush may be a candidate, but he will have three large hurdles to clear.

1.  Son's arrest for DUI and resisting arrest.
2.  Daughter's arrest for prescription fraud
3.  Wife Columbas' detention for deliberate US Customs fraud for failure to  declare $19,000  in clothing after a trip to Paris.

496 So, my husband dumped some top soil and raised ground level 2 inches.

Posted by: Tami at July 18, 2010 05:12 PM (VuLos)

I would have changed my name to Addams, cut the bars on the gate down 1.5 inches and sharpened them. Maybe with spearpoints added.

Seriously, there's not much worse in the world than a busybody self-righteous piss-ant bureaucrat with an axe to grind over fence color or gate height.

"And what color did you subsequently paint your house after our complaint, sir?"

"Well, I don't remember the name of the base color, but the stripes were purple."

497

About an 8 foot circumference at shoulder height and 35-40 feet tall. I won't let my niece play under it because there is no telling when it'll drop a limb.

Posted by: ErikW at July 18, 2010 04:43 PM (Ln9Gx)

Are you sure you mean circumference? That equals about 2.5 feet diameter (width) at breast height -- which is really thin for a 40' tall silver maple.

They can be very nice trees and thrive for well over a century, but once they're over the hill it's best to get rid of them. It might be worth hiring an arborist to evaluate the health of the tree. Unless you just want to cut it down anyway.

498 ErikW, we'll still be in Phoenix, so no fireworks in my near future. But I have been known to take a whiz in the yard after beer-league softball.

499 525
Jeb Bush may be a candidate, but he will have three large hurdles to clear.

1.  Son's arrest for DUI and resisting arrest.
2.  Daughter's arrest for prescription fraud
3.  Wife Columbas' detention for deliberate US Customs fraud for failure to  declare $19,000  in clothing after a trip to Paris.

Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 05:23 PM (v1gw3)

So... you're saying he should run as a Democrat?

500

Dear Oksana,

I'll get working on the sperm count data you require, but first, you will blow me!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at July 18, 2010 05:22 PM (YVZlY)

Gee, she really IS talented if she can deduce sperm count by taste.

501

So... you're saying he should run as a Democrat?

Posted by: Merovign, Strong on His Mountain at July 18, 2010 05:25 PM (bxiXv)

Very astute sir.  It's only a punishable offense if you're a republican.  Democrats have no moral standing, therefore, it's a given we should simply shut the fuck up and vote for the best candidate, a criminal democrat family.

PS - Incarceration is a plus!

502 Think about the common good, people, the common good!

503

ErikW,

Hell, I could piss in my front yard. I have so many trees and only one neighbor I can barely see. Life is good in the sticks. If I ever need something household I can't get in a Wal-Mart or Lowe's, fuck me running, I've become a snob.

A country boy can survive.

504
Whomever said I was busted in Cyprus with pot in my purse is lying.  I may have been givin' head, but I sure wasn't toking a blunt. 

505

Are you sure you mean circumference? That equals about 2.5 feet diameter (width) at breast height -- which is really thin for a 40' tall silver maple.

Posted by: Ed Anger at July 18, 2010 05:24 PM (7+pP9)

Yeah, I just pulled that number out of my ass. I just looked outside and it's closer to 3.5 feet wide. I have the advantage of my dad having a Master's degree in Horticulture so I just ask him whenever I have a question about anything flora related. And I do need some firewood.

506 532 Think about the common good, people, the common good!Posted by: nicole belle


“More and more, when faced with the world of men, the only reaction is one of individualism. Man alone is an end unto himself. Everything one tries to do for the common good ends in failure.”

--  Albert Camus

507

A country boy can survive.

Ayup. My neighbor has a backhoe so whenever I get snowed in, he digs me out in about 5 minutes.

508 The secret to not having problems with HOA and deed covenants???

Don't buy a damn house that has those. Or if you do get stuck with them work assiduously at breaking them. HOA's only have as much power over you as the deed covenants allow. Deed covenants ALL become unenforceable if you can find one in the neighborhood that is not enforced.

That is what a lawyer told me here when I asked him about a requirement that all "outbuildings" had to match the house in every detail. (what I was told when I bought the house). When I went to put in my pool building I started asking because one of the neighbors had put in a cheap Sears and Roebuck tin storage shed.

After checking the deed filing at the courthouse we found that there were no such covenants anyway but it is still a way to get out of them.

509
The discussion about the smartest woman is Congress is over.  Maxine Waters place a distant 5th, and I placed first because of my superior intellect and cute ass.

510 534
Whomever said I was busted in Cyprus with pot in my purse is lying.  I may have been givin' head, but I sure wasn't toking a blunt. 

Posted by: Paris Hilton at July 18, 2010 05:30 PM (v1gw3)

Thanks for clearing that up for my constituents.

511 Here's what you do,Vic: divorce your cancer-stricken wife on her hospital bed,pardon a vicious killer to slaughter four cops,

We resemble that remark, bastard.

512 Jeb Bush may be a candidate, but he will have three large hurdles to clear.

1.  Son's arrest for DUI and resisting arrest. George HW Bush
2.  Daughter's arrest for prescription fraud George W Bush
3.  Wife Columbas' detention Everyone else named "Bush"
Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 05:23 PM

Fixed it for ya.

Not sayin' the Bushes were bad presidents, just that they were mediocre at best, and this nation has had too many mediocre presidents.

Granted, they were far superior to Osama Obama, the Traitor-in-Chief, but being better than an America-hating totalitarian incompetent is not exactly what I'd call a great recommendation.

No more Bushes (that's members of the Bush family, morons) in politics, please!

513

Deed covenants ALL become unenforceable if you can find one in the neighborhood that is not enforced.

Never again. I just assumed Texas hadn't gone all hippy gay California on me and never looked at the covenants.
Shit, mine had the allowable plants listed by species...which type of palm you could have and so on. Unfuckingbelievable. Even the flowers. Are these tulips on the approved list??? The fuck???

I could put a haunted house full of rusted out Christine's in my front yard now, and my fellow crackers might pay to run through it.

514 LOL, Gabe has a new open thread up.

515 The Bush name needs to go the way of the Adams name. Sorry, but enough is enough.

516 @504 - My GOD I f-ing hate HOA's.  Never had one until I moved in here 5 years ago... and if I have my way we will never have any again.  My neighbor actually likes the HOA, but then again she seems to be a bit of a busybody control freak anyway.

517 Posted by: Samuel Adams at July 18, 2010 05:38 PM (nxUYP)

Oh shit, forgot the Harrissons.

518
Buzz Aldrin is a personal friend who has advised me on space matters for many years.  Well, I spoke to him last week. My question about the America flag on Mars was misinterpreted and needs to be clarified in context. 

I was actually talking about America's trip to Jupiter, and there never was any question about the American flag.  The newspapers wrongly reported the issue, and I have now clarified my position and placed in in the proper context, whatever than means. 

519 No more Bushes (that's members of the Bush family, morons) in politics, please!

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 18, 2010 05:37 PM (Ulu3i)

Nominating Jeb Bush would speak to a decided lack of imagination in the Republican Party.  "Oh, hell with it, let's just grab another Bush."

520
"Stay out da bush!"

521 Posted by: gator at July 18, 2010 05:37 PM (aOKEC)

I had a friend bought a big house in one of those gated communities in Carey, NC a while back. He had covenants like that as well.

He could not even leave a car or boat out in driveway overnight. Everything was controlled to the nth degree and he KNEW it going in and was OK with it.

Said it would "protect his home value". I wonder if he still feels that way now.

522  I think if I ever got a letter from a HOA the first thing I would do is go down to the local junkyard and buy the biggest piece of crap landship I could find, tow it to the house and put it up on blocks in the front yard.

I've been tempted, but I've already been threatened with foreclosure because there were too many weeds in my front yard.  Someone on my block would shit kittens if I did that...

523 Resistance is futile. You will assimilate.

524 Warning to libs: Free Love will soon cost more than a sexually transmitted disease.

525 505 Y-not, It's 95 degrees and 20% humidity today. Don't forget to bring your suntan lotion

Yeah, it's been roughly the same weather here as there. 

As a ginger, I don't go much of anywhere without sunblock.  Fortunately, unlike my sister whose skin is porcelain white, I freckle.  But still... I get pretty pink pretty darned quick. 

526 A few weeks later, we get a letter from the town that the gate was 1 1/2 inches above the allowable gate height.

So, my husband dumped some top soil and raised ground level 2 inches.

Tami, you have a smart husband!  He's a keeper!

527

Jeb Bush may be a candidate, but he will have three large hurdles to clear.

1.  Son's arrest for DUI and resisting arrest. The circumstances were kind of funny, actually, but not as funny as when he and his girlfriend were busted for being naked in the back seat of a Jeep Cherokee in the parkinglot of a shopping mall. Give the guy a break. He is a normal, healthy, well-adjusted  21-year-old who just likes to have a good time.

2.  Daughter's arrest for prescription fraud. Yeah, the Bushies are wild 'n crazy kids alright, and Nellie ain't too bright ..., ..., but ..... , although Xanax is a controlled substance, it is a mild sedative, not a hard drug like Cocaine. The MSM exaggerated that story.  They probably didn't even bother to try to find out what Xanax is.

3.  Wife Columbas' detention for deliberate US Customs fraud for failure to  declare $19,000  in clothing after a trip to Paris. Yeah, well, she ain't no Oksana either.

4. BTW, you neglected to mention that Jeb was an outstanding governor, who was very well liked, and who got a lot accomplished and who worked well with Republicans, Democrats, whites, blacks and Latinos, alike.

Posted by: Fish at July 18, 2010 05:23 PM (v1gw3)

FIFY 

528 535 Are you sure you mean circumference?

--

Wait a sec.  What kind of "lumber" are we discussing here? 

Oh, and... "How you doin'?" 

529 Sounds delish! I may have to steal your recipe

Go wild.  I had to wing it because most of my spices are packed already. 

530 Tami, you have a smart husband!  He's a keeper!

Posted by: Y-not is digesting her feral swine tenderloin at July 18, 2010 06:03 PM (O627A)

Yeah, he's alright....for a lawyer. ;o)

531 Tami that is perfect!  We have no HOA but a nasty Demoncrap mayor and code enforcement fools in town.

532 Tami that is perfect!  We have no HOA but a nasty Demoncrap mayor and code enforcement fools in town.

Posted by: NotAMolly stands with Israel at July 18, 2010 06:45 PM (ADJFU)

Yeah...I'm sure the old bitty measuring the fence was part of the town dem code gestapo.  Very foo-foo town in Connecticut.  Think Martha Stewart.

533
1 I hate this asshole.

Couldn't say it any better than that.

534 Im going to start drinking straight from the Bottle.. I just can't take him  or his party(Obama) serious  (or sober) anymore ...They all LIE..