1 This guy is a nasty like shit and people are noticing. People don't vote for candidates whom they would not want in their living rooms.

2 just shows that you can fake your way into a big job but you'll probably be in big trouble when you actually need to start working.

3 In other news...  Impaler, The Movie

4 I mean, jeez, McCain, of all people, points out at the health care "whatch-ma-callit" that Obama is going back on things he said during the campaign, and O responds by saying "we're not in campaign mode anymore."

5 It's a tough job, isn't it, asshole.

6 Unlike Clinton, he won't be able--or willing to move to the center.  This ideologue clown is doubling down.  Nov will be 1994 re-dux with bells on.

Watch the movie "The Squid and the Whale" to see a good illustration of how stupid and ridiculous a supposedly intelligent professor can be.  Senior Lecturer Obama is showing us how little he is

Also watch for a Democratic crack-up:  they're not all crazy

7 I've been wrong about a lot of stuff, like thinking the GOP was permanently a rump party after Pezzydent Nosepicker won godhood. But I've always said the Demotards were deadly serious about socialized medicine, even if they have to resort to parliamentary lawlessness to get it.

8 Obama = Asshole.

I think everyone knows this by now.

Those who like him are either ignorant or think, "He may be an asshole but he is my asshole".

Well, he isn't MY asshole.

9 He never surfaced here in Arkansas. The South may have to rise up and save the American way of life from the God Damned socialists. Fuck the 52% who are too stupid to vote.

10

I wonder what Krauthammer's take on this stuff will be.

Hope he comes up with it today.

11 Butch to Sundance "Who is this guy?"

12
"Health care is basically now like Iran, as they busily continue building the bomb and we seem unable to stop them."


OK that deserves a medal.

13 I can't wait til Sarah kicks his ass

14 Dan,
Sarah isn't the person for the job. You Sarah fans need to understand that she isn't the one to make it happen.

15 This guy is a nasty like shit and people are noticing. People don't vote for candidates whom they would not want in their living rooms.

Perry?  Hutchison? Medina?   It would seem that staying home or voting for someone I wouldn't feed to my dog are my only choices tomorrow.

16

Ace Obama is a Marxist.  The health care power grab is more important to him that Cigarettes and masturbation combined.

He's not quitting and Pelosi is stupid enough to follow him over the cliff.
Reid is toast and he's going to fuck us as he goes down.

If he/they can.

17 Imagine his poll numbers without his MSM handmaidens.

18 Is it okay to go around snarling "I TOLD YOU SO!" to all the liberals I know?

Actually, come to think of it, my liberal friends probably think he's doing the best he can and will never admit he's a loser.

19 Dan,
Sarah isn't the person for the job. You Sarah fans need to understand that she isn't the one to make it happen.

Let's not waste time on that fucking argument two fucking years out, shall we?

20

He can only hope things start turning around for him once the midterms are in the rear view mirror, much as they did for Bill Clinton.

It will never happen.  The other half of him will never allow him to waver from total(itarian) control.

21 And none of my liberal friends will listen to me because I'm written off as a right wing hater.

22 Ace,

I have no problems with you posting a lot of polls. The polls give me a woody, and I like that.

23

16 daskunt, sorry you are never going to convince me, so lets not waste our time going back and forth.

On a more pressing note, they are definitely going to try to ram this through the rules be damned. I agree with ace that they are trying to REALLY do it, and its not just as a sop to the left. I hope somehow it gets stopped.

The nation is being destroyed economically and I see only one person who has the stones that is currently attacking Obama regularly. Most other "top tier" people as defined by the media have been MIA and in hiding because they do not want to have the media's guns turned on them this early.

24 Imagine his poll numbers without his MSM handmaidens.

Dude, without the MSM handmaidens, he wouldn't be in a position to have bad poll numbers.  He'd be just another bitter Senator who tried to run for President and failed.

It would be funny (and telling) to do an Onion-like alternate reality newscast from some point in the 2008 election cycle as if the media was all right-leaning, or even only completely unbiased. 

25

And none of my liberal friends will listen to me because I'm written off as a right wing hater.

Well, when I'm talking to my liberal friends Sorry, don't make friends with liberals.  Life is just too short.

26

Some people like Sarah, like me, and other do not. That is OK. The debates and a campaign will determine how all that shakes out.

As of now, we need to destroy this radical left wing agenda and the people who help do that get props from me!

27

9 Obama = Asshole.

I think everyone knows this by now.

Those who like him are either ignorant or think, "He may be an asshole but he is my asshole".

This is your asshole - this is your asshole on drugs.  Any questions?

28 Sorry, don't make friends with liberals.  Life is just too short.

I live in blue country. If I didn't make friends with liberals, I'd have no friends at all.

29

"Those who like him are either ignorant or think, "He may be an asshole but he is my asshole"."

Kinda like "my farts" don't stink? 

30 I wrote to Laura my funk is caused by their being less genuine news lately

C'mon, man, you could write about iguana penises. 

31

Imagine his poll numbers without his MSM handmaidens.

 

All should read this book.  It explains well why the press will never turn on Obama.

32 man drudge has a hilarious photo of Rahm and Pelosi. it looks like they are necking.

33 Pravda wishes it could be as partisan as our very own media. Jesus.

34 Tushar,
It gives me wood as well.

And when I say wood I mean slightly above average wood.

35

Mmmm.......Captain "Wunderbar" aint so Wunderbar anymore?

Here is an idea.....Let's run another "Progressive" Republican agianst him in 2012 and see if gets anymore "WunderBar?"

 

36 I live in blue country


Therein lies your problem.  You need to move out of the third-world cesspool LA is turning into, out to the real America. 

37 But I've always said the Demotards were deadly serious about socialized medicine, even if they have to resort to parliamentary lawlessness to get it.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 01, 2010 05:38 PM (AZGON)

They will probably try to get as many GOP Congressmen as they can drunk and in bed with hookers the night before the crucial vote - with the hookers told, "There's an extra $5,000 in it for you if you get him to miss the vote."  However, I think that tactic works better on Democrats, who have forgotten the standard set by one of their patron saints, Jesse Unruh, Speaker of the Assembly in California: "If you can't take their money, drink their liquor, f*ck their women, and then come in here the next day and vote against them, you don't belong here."

38 hey, why not make friends with liberals, so long as they're willing to pay for the drinks? Yeah, sure, Obama just needs to speak more directly to the American people and give me another Stoli on the rocks. And I needed to type this half a dozen times, bcause one word kept coming out as "fiends"

39 "He can only hope things start turning around for him once the midterms are in the rear view mirror, much as they did for Bill Clinton."

He cannot count on hope. There's not a thing Obama et al. have done or will do to get things to "turn around." A Marxist, anti-capitalist making enemies in every domain both here and abroad will continue. Small business and the middle-class, aka America's engine and salvation, will not give Obama support. Obama must count on expanded government employees and confiscatory taxing/spending to save his vision and job. It's now just a race to 2010/2012 to see if the nation can survive his administration's fingerprints before dumping it.

40 One Kleenex saved or created

41

Dude, without the MSM handmaidens, he wouldn't be in a position to have bad poll numbers. 

True, but I could see some of them dumb enough to buy into the hope & change bullshit during the election.  However, after seeing what he's done for a year in office, it's just unbelievable to me how they continue to cover for him.  American Taliban John Walker Lindh's defense attorney is now an assistant US attorney general.  What strikes us as outrageous and bordering on treasonous doesn't even get reported.  Fucking fifth column bastards...

42

I just pray that the Republicans do not run another idiot like McLame. Sarah may not be the answer, but running liberal RINOs ain't the answer either.

I truly believe the ONLY candidate more likely to lose than McCain was Ron Paul. I think any of the other candidates would have beat Obama.

The fact that they haven't said a word about fixing the primary rules is not encouraging either.

43

Fucking fifth column bastards...

That's because if it gets out how decietful, corrupt, and in the tank they were Pre-Election to the idiot masses they know they are going down with the ship. At this point......their only option is to bail water and hope for the best!

44 Obama's Drop Barack Obama now has a negative approval rating in every state he flipped from the Bush column to his in 2008. In each of those places his level of support is now in the 44-46% range Oh dear, this is from PPP, Public Policy Polling, not Hitler... uh, Rasmussen. So I guess the libtards have to take it seriously. Unless PPP is also Hitler now. Yeah, that's probably the best angle.

45 Hey Ace,  Welcome back.  Hope things are going well for you. Ohio Dan

46 forget 1994:  November is shaping up as 1896:  The Democrats got too close to radicalism ( nominating the same candidate as the lefty-populist Peoples Party ) and got badly burned.  Republicans took the West and became the dominant party outside of the Segregationist South for more than a generation.

Obama wanted to be FDR; he's going to end up as WJB:  William Jennings Bryan: 

Both were / are vain, narcissistic, ego-maniacs and rabidl ideologues.  Bryan could actually give a good speech, though.

47 You need to move out of the third-world cesspool LA is turning into, out to the real America.

Eventually. It's in the life plan as soon as I get a job again. But damn, the weather is so nice here...

If there was a way to break down the media as it is now, maybe the populace would be better informed. Take news OUT of the ratings system. That's one of the reasons why no one knows WTF is going on. News only cares about sensationalism to get ratings.

That and it's dominated by lefties. Perhaps we could march all the lefties into the ocean. Or at least send them on a one way trip to Zimbabwe.

48 I wrote to Laura my funk is caused by their being less genuine news lately --

Oh, there's lots of news.

Fore example, over at Drudge, there's a story about ABC closing ALL of their bureaus except Washington, and cutting 50% of their correspondents.

What does that mean?

Ace of Spades has to opportunity to have more viewers and employees than ABC news in the future!

49

I live in blue country. If I didn't make friends with liberals, I'd have no friends at all.

You are better off with no friends than leftard friends. Besides, you have US

50 You are better off with no friends than leftard friends. Besides, you have US

LOL! And I do love all of you, but it's hard to meet up for drinks when most of you live in other states!

51

Actually, come to think of it, my liberal friends probably think he's doing the best he can and will never admit he's a loser.

My lib friends keep repeating the meme, "But he's only been in for one year. Why won't you give him a chance?" I point out the Dem Supermajority, they blame it all on Bush, the same fucking song and dance ensues and I just give up.

I don't even know why I waste my breath on them anymore.

52 America hates booger eaters. Who knew?

53

Ten House Dems Could Go from 'No' to 'Yes' on Obamacare  [the corner]

the AP:

WASHINGTON – Ten House Democrats say they have not ruled out the possibility of switching their earlier "no" votes to "yes" on the big health care overhaul. That's giving Democrats a glimmer of hope in the face of unyielding Republican opposition. The House members commented in interviews Monday with The Associated Press.

The White House, meanwhile, is trying to create an encouraging atmosphere for lawmakers to make such a change. For example, the Obama administration is making a point of saying that Democrats are not using parliamentary tricks or loopholes to find the needed support in Congress.

The White House says President Barack Obama will outline his final "way forward" on health care in a Washington speech Wednesday.

54 there's a story about ABC closing ALL of their bureaus except Washington, and cutting 50% of their correspondents. Disney discovered that Mickey Mouse was already a full-time employee, and could easily cover the extra duties.

55 #51  You are better off with no friends than leftard friends. Besides, you have US.

She's hypnotizing you so she may get a chance in the future to quaff some of your blood.  Beware.

56

My lib friends keep repeating the meme, "But he's only been in for one year. Why won't you give him a chance?" I point out the Dem Supermajority, they blame it all on Bush, the same fucking song and dance ensues and I just give up.

I don't even know why I waste my breath on them anymore.

Been there sweetheart.

Do they also say "How can you expect him to clean up a mess that it took 8 years go create?"

I've heard that one as well.

Sigh.

Our nation is filled with idiots.

57 Didn't take long for the re-ordered electorate to figure who was the real slime did it.

58 Our nation is filled with idiots.

And the terrifying thing is, they vote.

59

She's hypnotizing you so she may get a chance in the future to quaff some of your blood.  Beware.

I'm OK with vampires, as long as they're CONSERVATIVE vampires.

60

The White House says President Barack Obama will outline his final "way forward" on health care in a Washington speech Wednesday.

Wait, Obama's gonna give a speech on Wednesday?  Finally, my prayers have been answered.

61 The Dems want everyone to think that "Health Care Reform" is a done deal. Don't fall for it. I'd say the odds of them passing anything resembling either the House or Senate versions are at about 10-1.
Iran will build their bomb because the people charged with stopping them don't really want to stop them. Not true with HC reform.

62 Any word from the Brownbaggers here of late?

63 What's the actual count of D's vs. R's in the House?  I know it only passed the House by 1 vote but how many were allowed to sit it out on the sidelines.  The House is where we have to fight now. Not the Senate.  Boehner says the Dems are sick of listening to their schrieking harpy, the Speaker.

64 Our nation is filled with idiots. And the terrifying thing is, they vote. Posted by: wherestherum at March 01, 2010 06:05 PM (gofDd) Worse, some even get elected!!!!

65

I was driving down the street 15 minutes ago.  A Honda passed me and I caught it at the light.  It was a dimwitted broad with an ugly kid and an Obama sticker.

My first thought.  UNION TEACHER.   a.k.a.  Kool aid drunk fucking idiot.

These freaks aren't living on the same planet as the rest of us.  They are immune.

66 Ten House Democrats say they have not ruled out the possibility of switching their earlier "no" votes to "yes" on the big health care overhaul. They will pass hellcare. They have majorities. They have cover from lamestream media. They can bribe the parliamentarian or simply rewrite so many congressional rules and arcana that one day we'll arise and see the Precedential Nosepicker sign socialized medicine into law. Count on it.

67 I'm sorry Ace.

It's one thing with Iran, sure, when they get nukes, that will be a huge problem. While all of us would like it if we could stop Iran, we all know it's not going to happen, at least by American intervention. But it's comforting to know that Israel will likely deal with the problem before we do. 

But this health care thing is aimed right at us. We will be the next ones struck by dwindling standards of care and huge taxes to cover the government running 1/6th of the economy. It already hit all of our friends.

It's a completely different view of the train wreck when your on the tracks. So no, the daily updates, of how this fight is progressing, and it will go down to the wire, are all involving.

A handful of votes will likely decide this issue. I'm thinking no more than 5 in the house in the end.

68 Sorry voters, but you can't go back, they just hit Chicago with a sneak attack LA and Frisco are nothing but great big holes My CIA chief just told me the Persians started WW III "Listen here, Gates, those missiles don't scare me The blacktop boils and flows like a river But I need a smoke 'cause I'm beginning to quiver Nuke me one over easy, bitches

69 63

The White House says President Barack Obama will outline his final "way forward" on health care in a Washington speech Wednesday.

Wait, Obama's gonna give a speech on Wednesday?  Finally, my prayers have been answered.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 01, 2010 06:06 PM (Oo6wg)

Watch for a drop in the Rasmussen Daily Presidential tracking poll.  Everyone is tired of Obama and the democrats trying to shove Obamacare down our throats.  There was a steep drop right after the ObamaCare summit last week.

70

Been there sweetheart. Do they also say "How can you expect him to clean up a mess that it took 8 years go create?" I've heard that one as well.

Yep, been thru all that song and dance for 18 months now, and lost about four really close friends over it!

The most difficult thing for me is think about the future...I've never been so un-excited!

71 "...health care is basically now like Iran, as they busily continue building the bomb and we seem unable to stop them. And sort of have to just trust they're not completely insane." Funny. But my gut says they just don't have the balls for this. If they did they'd have already done it. And now that there's absolutely no way to share the blame (somehow, republican ideas = bipartisanship just isn't catching on) they seem even less likely to pull the trigger. The fact that they can't govern is only part of the dem's problem; as this whole debate has demonstrated, they also don't seem to have the courage of their own (supposed) convictions.

72 The most difficult thing for me is think about the future...I've never been so un-excited! Posted by: Jimi at March 01, 2010 06:09 PM (fqxV7) Do what I did. Drink heavely

73

Do they also say "How can you expect him to clean up a mess that it took 8 years go create?"

Yes. What really frosts me is that most of them are (were) pretty reasonable when it came to the free market but now they're starting to buy into the idea that capitalism has failed. That one leaves me speechless.

74
Do you know why Obama's popularity is falling precipitously?

Because people realize Obama is only president to those who support him.

75

He's not quitting and Pelosi is stupid enough to follow him over the cliff.
Reid is toast and he's going to fuck us as he goes down.

If he/they can.

Posted by: gus at March 01, 2010 05:43 PM (Vqruj)

I think the example of Ton Daschle has been extremely helpful.  There's a guy who by rights should have ridden his defeat from the Senate into a triumphant return to Washington in a Cabinet post.  That he decided in the interim to be a shady, corrupt lobbyist who couldn't be troubled to pay his taxes wouldn't have been a problem in times past, but nowadays even a Democrat Senate Majority Leader has to think ahead about how he might be held accountable for what he does after he leaves office.

More importantly, anyone who might hire a former Democrat Senate Majority Leader has to think that he can't just buy the guy outright with graft, but will have to make a show of obeying the law.  And if the Democrats are in decline, the value of a Democrat former Senate Majority Leader falls.

76 But damn, the weather is so nice here...

Don't be seduced by the weather. If I didn't have family in the state I'd have gone to Utah years ago, and the stresses of being conservative in the state is growing to the point that even we, whom as a family have been here for four (and a half) generations are likely to leave. Will the last conservative leaving the state, remember to turn off the lights (libs don't believe in using them anyway).

77

I was driving down the street 15 minutes ago.  A Honda passed me and I caught it at the light.  It was a dimwitted broad with an ugly kid and an Obama sticker.

(Pro) Obama stickers are few and far between here in the Houston area, but during the election it seemed that I saw a disproportionately high number on Honda CRVs.  Many more than I saw on Priuses or other smugmobiles.

78 Only 35% now ADMIT to voting for Barry.  What happened to that other 18%?

79 Because people realize Obama is only president to those who support him. Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 01, 2010 06:13 PM (yd4dI) I wish that were true but the reality is that he is President. And he is my President. And you have no idea how much I hate saying that.

80

Obama wanted to be FDR; he's going to end up as WJB:  William Jennings Bryan: 

More likely that prop WJB used in that little debate of his down in Tennessee.

81 You need to move out of the third-world cesspool LA is turning into, out to the real America.


Actually, no. Us California conservatives need to stay and fight like rabid wolverines. If we don't, you'll end up having to fight the same insanity in the free states later on. Writing off whole states because we're regionally outnumbered is part of why we're in this situation.

82 I sort of worried too.  He hadn't paid my mortgage and my gas tank is empty, but I getting FREE health care, so I guess I still love em.

Remember when I was a star!!

http://tinyurl.com/6dm4ac

83 84
Writing off whole states because we're regionally outnumbered is part of why we're in this situation.

Yup. "Evil" Massachusetts provided the vote that killed HC(in the first round). If we'd given up on MA, all the rah-rah Republicans from the Red states would've been utterly useless.

84
And he is my President.

Why? Obama doesn't give a shit about you. He doesn't have your best interests at heart. Indeed, Obama is trying to fuck you, take your shit, and give it to people who support him.

As far as Obama is concerned, you're either with him or against him.

85

My Kingdom is of Me

Sweet Land of Obamatry

Of Me I Sing

86 Committing suicide as you go nuclear:
http://tinyurl.com/yg7hjje

87 And he is my President. Why? Obama doesn't give a shit about you. He doesn't have your best interests at heart. Indeed, Obama is trying to fuck you, take your shit, and give it to people who support him. As far as Obama is concerned, you're either with him or against him. Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 01, 2010 06:21 PM (yd4dI) Well aside from the fact that I am in the Navy, what this guy does and doesn't do effects us all. I am sure I am last on his list.

88
People keep mentioning Bill Clinton, and how things turned around for him. Nobody ever seems to get this right. I remember exactly what happened.


1994, and the United States was utterly sickened by the disgusting agenda of Bill Clinton. The Republicans won an unprecedented series of elections to take over the U.S. House and Senate. Bill Clinton was Shell Shocked, as was the media. The Republicans immediately took steps to cut spending. Clinton and the Media were timid until Timothy McVeigh blew up the Federal building in Oklahoma City.

Thereafter, Clinton and the Media found their voice and became attack dogs. Republicans were Horrified that everyone (in media) was associating the terrorist with them. Some Kept fighting to control spending, and in spite of everything, managed to bring some fiscal sanity back to the Federal Government.

Thanks to the Republicans forcing cuts in spending, we got a balanced budget. Thanks to Timothy McVeigh, and the lying media (who gave Clinton all the credit, and continue to do so) and that fucking idiot Ross Perot, Clinton got a second term.

Nothing good came from the Clinton Administration. He is in no way responsible for doing anything useful to the Nation, nor even in getting himself re-elected. That was the work of Timothy McVeigh.

89 Speaking of UNDERWATER: Critics worry over attack sub force plan By Lance M. Bacon - Staff writer Posted : Monday Mar 1, 2010 16:58:01 EST The Navy’s plan to reduce its submarine fleet by 20 percent will render it unable to meet critical requirements, lawmakers and strategists say. What’s still a mystery to many is whether the cuts are driven by decreasing missions or decreasing funding — or is this a gamble by the Navy that has a potential payout in the billions? In the 2006 Quadrennial Defense Review, the Navy argued that a 48-attack-sub minimum is a moderate-risk force necessary to provide the roughly 10 subs that combatant commanders need on any given day. But the 30-year shipbuilding plan released Feb. 1 would drop the current 53 attack subs to a low of 39 in 2030, then stabilize the fleet at 45 through 2040. The plan also eliminates the Navy’s four guided-missile subs in 2028 and replaces the 14 Ohio-class ballistic-missile submarines with 12 new boomers. “I have real reservations about attack subs hitting a low of 39 boats, which is well below the minimum required,” Rep. Rob Wittman, R-Va., a member of the House Armed Services Committee, told Navy Times. “We can’t meet the demand that is out there now, and requirements will only continue to grow in the future.”

90 I live in blue country. If I didn't make friends with liberals, I'd have no friends at all.

Same here.  Most of my friends are leftists.  They're wonderful people, which is why I'm friends with them.  They do have some really bizarre untrue ideas, though.  They know where I stand and we occasionally discuss politics; I try to keep it simple and be generous to their world-view, but for the most part, there's no point in souring things.  As I said, they're great folks.

Still, although they will surely vote against the GOP in 2012, they are generally souring on Obama.  There's definitely some buyers' remorse going on, even in the true-blue SF Bay Area.

Ya shoulda gone with Hillary, Donks...

91 Talk about your snow jobs.

OBAMA ADVISER WARNS WINTER TO 'DISTORT' UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES

On Drudge.

92 This guy isn't like Clinton, he is a true believer in the far leftist crap.  Even if the election tsunami happens, no way will he sign something akin to welfare reform.  I now think that Beck guy is nuttier than a female fruit bat, but I think he is right in asking why people can't see the obvious:  Odumbass means to get in as much socialism as he can before he is gone.

93
Let me put it another way. Does Obama treat CEO's the same as an SEIU member? They're both citizens. They both pay taxes and enjoy the same rights.

Obama is a rabble-rousing community organizer. He's a union lawyer. He specializes in a) scapegoating (class warfare, pitting one group against another), and b) extorting from one group (the haves) and giving to another group (the have-nots).

And that's why his popularity is falling.

94
They're wonderful people, which is why I'm friends with them.

You're a) wrong, and b) such a fag.

95 96 Talk about your snow jobs.

OBAMA ADVISER WARNS WINTER TO 'DISTORT' UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES

On Drudge.

Posted by: Tami at March 01, 2010 06:29 PM (VuLos)

If they're coughing up this BS this early in the week, you know the numbers must look pretty bad.  If they are, watch the stock market drop about 300 points.

96 Be careful what you wish for- should be the catch phrase for the Libs and Obama. Still amazing for me that ~ 40% of people still approve/support him. However given like 99% of blacks support him, and add the 20% left/far left and you get 30%+ there.

97 MikeTheMoose:
But it's comforting to know that Israel will likely deal with the problem before we do.

I wouldn't count on it.  Israel is more internally divided than America.  Personally, I think they'll remain paralyzed until it's too late.

Honestly, I think the ball is entirely in Iran's court.

Hope I'm wrong...

98
Hot Air has a link to an Op ed that well worth reading.

"I told you so" by Lynn Forester De Rothschild

99 anybody know anything about computers? my cursor is gone and I can't find it

seriously

100 103

The guys on "Mythbusters" tried to re-create someone doing the same thing, but they weren't able to do it. Guess this guy had a remarkably "steady stream".

101
restart your pc

there's a site that makes my cursor all jumpy and shit -- really annoying

102 105 anybody know anything about computers? my cursor is gone and I can't find it

seriously

Posted by: Jones at March 01, 2010 06:38 PM (JL3qV)

Did you mistreat it?

 

 

I'd just reboot your computer.

103
Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 01, 2010 06:13 PM (yd4dI)

I wish that were true but the reality is that he is President. And he is my President. And you have no idea how much I hate saying that.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 01, 2010 06:15 PM (0GFWk)

I am increasingly coming to believe that Obama is not legitimate. I have always suspected it, but I've recently seen two pieces of data that make it seem all the more likely that he is not a legitimate President.

The first piece is this. Someone filed a FOIA request with the State Dept. asking to see Barack Obama's Passport application. (not the passport, just the application he filled out to get one.) The State Dept. claimed that they didn't have one on file.

If Barack didn't fill out a passport application, how did he get a passport?
We believe he had a passport because he admits to traveling from Indonesia to Pakistan in 1981. If he didn't have an American Passport, how did he do this? It is widely speculated that he did this with an Indonesian passport. If this is true, it is significant for the following reason. He was over the age of 18 in 1981. To use a foreign passport after the age of 18 is considered an "affirmative act" of allegiance to another country, and is legally equivalent to renouncing American Citizenship. 

The Second Piece, is again, someone filling the state equivalent of a FOIA request with the State of Hawaii to see the Birth Index for the late 50s and early 60s. (The Birth Index is the list of recorded births, not the birth certificate. ) Apparently Barack Obama is not on the list. As a matter of fact, there is no listing for Obama, Dunham,(his mothers maiden name) Payne (his grandmothers maiden name) or Soetoro. (His Adopted fathers name)

While none of this is conclusive, it does make a thinking person go Hmmm...

104

Where am I?  DU or Kos Klucks?  All the gloom & doom.

Reality coming back to the masses.  In spite of the best efforts of the head pat, lap dog propagandists.

105

Fox:

We talked to "conservative" Democrats who voted NO and now may be willing to vote YES.

WTF??? Who is a 'conservative" Democrat?

106 I think he is a one termer no matter what. After this first god awful year people will tell themselves: "I already proved I wasn't racist once".

107
Well, on some blogs such as AoS, if you simply ask for a thorough and complete background check for a sitting president, you're a...

birther!

108 #96, this is the month where dashed holiday sales dreams turn into closed companies and lost jobs.

By the way, even without big snows, how much construction is being done in the winter; this claim needs to be cross-examined.

109 I have gotten into the habit of flipping off any car that has an Obama sticker.

110
112 I think he is a one termer no matter what. After this first god awful year people will tell themselves: "I already proved I wasn't racist once". Posted by: TendStl

So much for the fucktards who said electing Obama would end the cries of racism.  It would prove we were not a racist nation,  blah,  blah,  blah.
Will the stupid fucks "in the middle" ever apologize to the right for being fucking right every fucking time?

Fuck,  I'm in a bad fucking mood.

111 Do-over.

112 While none of this is conclusive, it does make a thinking person go Hmmm...

If Obama were a Kenyan, he would have boasted up and down about it during his college years, and in his biographies.  It would have been major authenticity points for him.

113

"how much construction is being done in the winter; this claim needs to be cross-examined."

Remember me?

114 113
Well, on some blogs such as AoS, if you simply ask for a thorough and complete background check for a sitting president, you're a...

birther!

Posted by:  This is Carlton the Doorman  at March 01, 2010 06:42 PM (yd4dI)

It's looking more and more like the birthers are right. Probably not about all that foreign born bullshit, but just this week i've seen two new pieces of information I didn't have before.

Also, an Arizona legislative committee just voted to require an original birth certificate before being permitted to be placed on the Ballot. I've read somewhere that 10 states are attempting this.

Damn Birthers!

115 In each of those places his level of support is now in the 44-46% range.

I know I sound like a broken record, but I don't believe it's that high for a second, even in those turncoat states. I have no proof positive, but I'm postulating that the support figure is more like 40-42% at best.

116
Looks like some actual global might be good for the economy?

I really hate these fucking losers.

117 115 I have gotten into the habit of flipping off any car that has an Obama sticker.

Instead of flipping them off, rent a Toyota and ram them.

118 if you simply ask for a thorough and complete background check for a sitting president

The trouble is focusing on the birth stuff, which is, frankly, nonsense, instead of on the academic record stuff, which is easy to communicate and hard to refute.

Nobody can call you a conspiracy theorist for asking to see his college grades, so it's actually a damaging attack.  But this Birther stuff just backfires on Republicans.

119
Sweet, is this a Purity Thread® now?

YOU BUNCHA COMMIES AIN'T PURE ENOUGH!

120

Wash. man electrocuted by urinating on power line

Posted by: Tom Servo at March 01, 2010 06:37 PM (T1boi)

Evidently not a Ren and Stimpy fan.

Or a tyre purchaser in Britain.

121 I just can't believe he got a security clearance???????

122 113

I think what generates the cries of "birther" is saying the same things the birthers have been saying, but with "new" twists.
Now I have no clue if anyone here is a "birther" or not, but rather than just posting about FOIA requests and communications w/the State Dept., they should post the actual documents that prove that they're not just talking sh*t.
To me, the issue is almost moot. It matters in principle of course, but even if we had incontrovertible proof that Obama was born outside the US, nothing would happen. At least not until 2012.

123 118 While none of this is conclusive, it does make a thinking person go Hmmm...

If Obama were a Kenyan, he would have boasted up and down about it during his college years, and in his biographies.  It would have been major authenticity points for him.

Posted by: sandy burger at March 01, 2010 06:47 PM (MT+0i)

The "Born in Kenya" Theory is really outlandish. My personal current opinion is that he was probably born at his Grandmother's house in Hawaii. (Not in a hospital) My next guess beyond that is he was probably born in Washington state. (Documents show ann dunham attending class at the University there 15 days after he was born.)

124 If Obama were a Kenyan, he would have boasted up and down about it during his college years, and in his biographies.  It would have been major authenticity points for him.

Posted by: sandy burger at March 01, 2010 06:47 PM (MT+0i)

And of course we know everything about his college years, because he's been so forthcoming with things like his transcripts, and his articles for the Harvard Law Review, and all that.  We're just FLOODED with information about that phase of his life.

His biographies were written to further his political career in the USA, so any mention there of the possibility that he wasn't a native-born citizen would be a huge admission against self-interest.

125

Well, on some blogs such as AoS, if you simply ask for a thorough and complete background check for a sitting president, you're a...

Birther!

I'm not sure what to believe anymore. The Leftists that control the DemonRat Party have proven that they are willing to do anything to get their Communist Utopia.

In the beginning I beleived that there was no way that the DemonRats would risk a conspiracy when there was a clear path for them to feed at the Power Trough. Now...I believe that there has to be something wrong, because any normal politcal strategy would be to expose his legitimacy to discredit his oppponents to get something like ObamaCare passed. Some beleive that they won't do it because he is legitimate, and they can use it as a Political Wedge with their Base (i.e Birther Movement Retoric), but on the same token those same people can't answer some of the petite questions you have pointed out above.

As of right now, I will publically say, the commonsense response should be that "there is nothing to it, but I have never been more skeptical."

126 "Actually, no. Us California conservatives need to stay and fight like rabid wolverines. If we don't, you'll end up having to fight the same insanity in the free states later on. Writing off whole states because we're regionally outnumbered is part of why we're in this situation."

Bingo! Never surrender! never give up!

127 Never surrender! never give up! Posted by: Katherine at March 01, 2010 06:58 PM (2DxY1) Yeah!

128
Nobody mentions the fact his father was a real asshole -- bad father, communist, muslim -- the trifecta of asshole-hood.

129
Nobody mentions the fact his father was a real asshole -- bad father, communist, muslim

Could easily be a babydaddy from NoLA or Detroit.

130 I am alot more worried about the 2010 elections than 2012.  If republicans aren't elected in enough numbers to stop the radical agenda and those republicans aren't willing to make the hard deficit choices and shut the govt down if need be, we may not have a US to have an election.  That's where my paranoia leads me.

131
heh, his dad was some sort of professor, too, right?

132 116
112 I think he is a one termer no matter what. After this first god awful year people will tell themselves: "I already proved I wasn't racist once". Posted by: TendStl

So much for the fucktards who said electing Obama would end the cries of racism.  It would prove we were not a racist nation,  blah,  blah,  blah.
Will the stupid fucks "in the middle" ever apologize to the right for being fucking right every fucking time?

Fuck,  I'm in a bad fucking mood.

Posted by: Dang at March 01, 2010 06:46 PM (UA4gE)

And when he runs for re-election and loses, then America will be accused of being a racist Nation again.  It's a fucking lose-lose situation now.

133 134

So now we have two consecutive Democrat presidents who were abandoned by their own fathers. That might explain a few things.

134 I have gotten into the habit of flipping off any car that has an Obama sticker.

I do that too.  Mrs. Five thinks I'm awful.  :O

135 Nobody can call you a conspiracy theorist for asking to see his college grades, so it's actually a damaging attack.  But this Birther stuff just backfires on Republicans.

Posted by: sandy burger at March 01, 2010 06:51 PM (MT+0i)

It wouldn't have backfired if McCain had demanded to see it. The Media has ridiculed anyone who suggested Obama wasn't legitimate. They have stampeded everyone into ignoring this issue for fear of being ridiculed, yet there are some legitimate points.

Number one legitimate point:

A computer printout doesn't prove anything. It simply says whatever the printer wants it to say.

Point Number 2.

State Election boards should have demanded that a certified original be produced, or he wouldn't be allowed on the ballot. 

#3. State Officials will not tell the truth about a birth certificate, and therefore their word is worthless as proof of anything. I recently found my original birth certificate from the Hospital I was born in. It is factually different from my current state certified birth certificate. I was adopted. All the names on my state certified birth certificate are all different from my original. (What i'm getting at, is the CERTIFIED birth certificate from the state is just a bunch of lies.)

And so on.

136

The "Born in Kenya" Theory is really outlandish. My personal current opinion is that he was probably born at his Grandmother's house in Hawaii. (Not in a hospital) My next guess beyond that is he was probably born in Washington state. (Documents show ann dunham attending class at the University there 15 days after he was born.)

Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2010 06:55 PM (rwSN/)

There was a doctor working in Honolulu at the time who delivered a whole lot of babies, inside and outside the hospital.  It would be fascinating to see his journals, because he might well have a record of the Baby Obama birth.  Or not.

137 MikeTheMoose:
But it's comforting to know that Israel will likely deal with the problem before we do.

I wouldn't count on it.  Israel is more internally divided than America.  Personally, I think they'll remain paralyzed until it's too late.

I was involved with nuclear weapons at one time, so I have to censor myself when I speak because, when you talk about real nuclear strategy, in any context, it always comes off sounding horribly insensitive to the potential loss of human life.

That was me actually trying to say in a nice, not so much "sucks to be you" kind of way, that they would either solve the problem or eat the nuke that allows us to turn Iran into the worlds biggest parking lot. I was trying to be sensitive to those who might not be friendly to the idea that current global politics has Israel set up to take one for the team; and because we're not Israel, that fact kind of provides us with a minimal layer of security about the whole issue.

That whole line of thinking is grim, pragmatic, and borderline inhuman. Israel either deals with the threat, or eats the first attack. And that get's the rest of us off the hook till the expos facto, in which case, any level of response is instantly justified.

I was trying to be "nice" and when your talking about millions of people dying, it's kind of considered minimally cordial to expect someone may have emotional attachments to the country or some of the millions of people in it.

138

@140

Buy her Flowers, Rub her Feet, and then explain to her that it is better to take your anger out on others that the ones you love?

139 Now I have no clue if anyone here is a "birther" or not, but rather than just posting about FOIA requests and communications w/the State Dept., they should post the actual documents that prove that they're not just talking sh*t.
To me, the issue is almost moot. It matters in principle of course, but even if we had incontrovertible proof that Obama was born outside the US, nothing would happen. At least not until 2012.

Posted by: lincolntf at March 01, 2010 06:54 PM (cGaVN)

Would you be willing to look at documents? I find many people have absolutely no stomach for looking at this issue whatsoever.

I can personally provide two documents which prove that State Officials word regarding birth certificates is not to be trusted. (I have two birth certificates. The Official one is the lie.)

140
it was funny

to deflect from the issue, the Left made an issue out of McCain's birthplace!

holy shit, when are the Republicans gonna get sick of being out-maneuvered by the Left?

141

Posted by: stuiec at March 01, 2010 06:56 PM (7AOgy)

Has anybody ever factchecked either one of this motherfucker's books?  The assclowns at the AP assigned eleven fact-checkers to a memoir by a private citizen who hasn't committed to running for anything yet, but they haven't found time to look into President IchBinEinBeginner's shitty books?  They tried to dig up dirt on Lynn Vincent (and the best they could do was her association with Stacy McCain), has anybody even asked ObaMao if he even wrote both of his books himself, and if not, who was his ghostwriter?

What. The. Fuck.  God I hate these motherfuckers.

142 Ummmmm...need I uhhhh remind you, ummmm, Morons, that ummmmmm, Jay-Z thinks I'm STILL Teh Won and ummmmmmm thinks the UK should ummmmmm, find one of uhhhhh, me for themselves?

143 Nobody mentions the fact his father was a real asshole -- bad father, communist, muslim -- the trifecta of asshole-hood.

Posted by: This is Carlton, the doorman at March 01, 2010 06:59 PM (yd4dI)

One of Obama's half-brothers has published a novel based on his childhood experiences with Barack Sr. Not a pleasant story.

 

144 I can personally provide two documents which prove that State Officials word regarding birth certificates is not to be trusted. (I have two birth certificates. The Official one is the lie.)

Okay. You can "prove" that bureaucracies give out conflicting information and are generally untrustworthy. This is news to nobody.
The FOIA requests you referenced, where are those?

145

There was a doctor working in Honolulu at the time who delivered a whole lot of babies, inside and outside the hospital.  It would be fascinating to see his journals, because he might well have a record of the Baby Obama birth.  Or not.

Posted by: stuiec at March 01, 2010 07:04 PM (7AOgy)

There is a story out there regarding the doctor who is said to have delivered Obama. The Doctor himself is dead, but their is a person who claims that a specific doctor was the one who delivered obama. I've posted the link before, and i've sent it to ace. It might be true, or it might not be true. But if it is taken at face value, it undermines the birther narrative.

146 I was trying to be "nice" and when your talking about millions of people dying, it's kind of considered minimally cordial to expect someone may have emotional attachments to the country or some of the millions of people in it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 01, 2010 07:05 PM (0q2P7)

Israel would have to really, really trust Obama to believe that he would order a retaliatory strike against Iran if Iran hit Israel with a nuke (or chemical or biological warhead).  Would YOU trust Obama to give that order?

That sets aside the question of how many casualties Israel could absorb and still remain functional as a nation-state.  Even the 30,000 rockets Hezbollah now has aimed at Israel can only do so much damage as compared to one medium-yield A-bomb airbursting dead-center over Tel Aviv.  Israel, I think, is much more likely to use a conventional attack pre-emptively than to "take one for the team" -- and even a pre-emptive conventional attack opens Israel up to massive retaliation by conventionally-armed missiles from Hezbollah, plus whatever long-range missiles the Iranians themselves can hurl at them.

147
Okay. You can "prove" that bureaucracies give out conflicting information and are generally untrustworthy. This is news to nobody.
The FOIA requests you referenced, where are those?

Posted by: lincolntf at March 01, 2010 07:13 PM (cGaVN)

If you knew of the arguments i've had with Ace, DrewM, Gabe, et. al. about this issue, you might be surprised how many people didn't know this.

On the FOIA requests, *I* didn't do them. I did save a link to the page of the person who claimed that they did concerning the Birth Index. I think I saved a link to the other one as well. Do you want to see the link that I know I can find? Hang on a minute, I got to convert it to tinyurl.

148 Here is the pertinent text from the article.

"My initial UIPA request of January 22, 2010, sought the index data for all children on the Hawaii Birth Index whose parentsÂ’ surnames were either Obama, Payne, Soetoro or Dunham."



"Miss Janice Okubo admitted to me last week that microfiches of the Hawaii Birth Index did exist and that they did not contain the said surnames. "

And here is the link.

http://tinyurl.com/yfhkebv

149

There is a story out there regarding the doctor who is said to have delivered Obama. The Doctor himself is dead, but their is a person who claims that a specific doctor was the one who delivered obama. I've posted the link before, and i've sent it to ace. It might be true, or it might not be true. But if it is taken at face value, it undermines the birther narrative.

Posted by: Diogenes at March 01, 2010 07:15 PM (rwSN/)

It's the same doctor (Rodney West).  But the story (which is repeated on Snopes.com) is a secondhand account from a woman who says she had lunch with the doctor in 1961 and remembers him saying, "Stanley had a baby - that's worth writing home about," meaning that he was amused that a woman had the first name Stanley.  It's hearsay, and a story told more than 45 years after the event;  it tends to confirm that Obama was born in Hawaii, but it's certainly not definitive documentary evidence.

150

Okay. You can "prove" that bureaucracies give out conflicting information and are generally untrustworthy. This is news to nobody.

Actually, all that proves is that the State legislature has passed a law that requires birth certificates be changed when an adoption goes through in family court.

They don't change these things for no reason.

151 153

If you post the link, I'll look.
FOIA requests are tough to squelch entirely. There are often delays, roadblocks erected by bureaucrats, etc., but in the end the info. usually comes out. The law is pretty comprehensive, I'd be curious to know what about this request disqualified it.

152 Haven't had time to breathe, but my friends are saying that pelosi passed everything that BO wanted and we will see.   they are making me nuts.  Can they pass stuff and not tell the American people?   My friends are saying all this will come out after the elections.

153

Actually, all that proves is that the State legislature has passed a law that requires birth certificates be changed when an adoption goes through in family court.

They don't change these things for no reason.

Posted by: Vic at March 01, 2010 07:25 PM (QrA9E)

The practice is common in all 50 states.

Apart from that, Hawaii has some WEIRD birth certificate laws. Because it's an island, and people are sometimes born aboard ship at sea, Hawaii allows them to claim a birth at sea as being born in Hawaii.

Oh, by the way, it is generally believed that Barack Obama WAS adopted in 1965 by Lolo Soetoro, so yeah, upon his adoption, or upon the divorce between Dunham and Soetoro, there's a pretty good chance the birth certificate got amended and changed a bit.

154 If you post the link, I'll look.
FOIA requests are tough to squelch entirely. There are often delays, roadblocks erected by bureaucrats, etc., but in the end the info. usually comes out. The law is pretty comprehensive, I'd be curious to know what about this request disqualified it.

Posted by: lincolntf at March 01, 2010 07:25 PM (cGaVN)

I'm trying to remember what I did with the other link.( the one about the request for a passport application.)  (i've got like a thousand saved links, and the only reason I remembered the one I posted was because it was recent in my mind.) 

Are you on Ace of Spades user group? If so, I can post it there later when I find it.

155
Okay, I did a search for the other one and I pulled up a link. I don't think it was THE link that I remembered, but you might find it adequate.

The pertinent text is:

"In addition, the State Department has stated in response to a FOIA request that they do not have a U.S. Passport application on file for  Barack H. Obama."

And the link is:

http://tinyurl.com/ybboffg

156 Israel would have to really, really trust Obama to believe that he would order a retaliatory strike against Iran if Iran hit Israel with a nuke (or chemical or biological warhead).  Would YOU trust Obama to give that order?

Well we're not the only ones with nuclear weapons and a means to deliver them to Iran. And while we might not launch on Iran following a strike. If we stood by and did nothing, I'm thinking a very high probability that someone else would.

157 He doesn't care if he's under water.  Just a couple more bills passed and he's King of the World.

He's Hal from 2001, not LBJ. To all the Dems who are going to lose, to all the middle class people who will be taxed into the poorhouse, it's "This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it."

158 "...health care is basically now like Iran, as they busily continue building the bomb and we seem unable to stop them. And sort of have to just trust they're not completely insane." Given who's in charge of Iran, this thought does not inspire much confidence.

159

Haven't had time to breathe, but my friends are saying that pelosi passed everything that BO wanted and we will see.   they are making me nuts.  Can they pass stuff and not tell the American people?   My friends are saying all this will come out after the elections.

Posted by: curious at March 01, 2010 07:29 PM (p302b)

Yes, the House has passed a lot of BamBam's legislation - however, none of it will ever pass in the Senate without 60 votes on each bill.  The House is pretty frustrated with the Senate right now....

160 Well we're not the only ones with nuclear weapons and a means to deliver them to Iran. And while we might not launch on Iran following a strike. If we stood by and did nothing, I'm thinking a very high probability that someone else would.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 01, 2010 07:42 PM (0q2P7)

Whom?

China and Russia have business interests in Iran, so why would they do it?  France and the UK are too pusillanimous to do it - especially with their fairly large internal Muslim minorities, who would be celebrating in the streets if Israel were nuked.  Surely not Pakistan or North Korea.  That leaves India, or Israel itself (presuming Israel retains a second-strike capability).

The same logic applies even more to Iran threatening the Gulf Arab states, which are unable to retaliate and which would have to rely on both the 100 percent effectiveness of America missile defenses (which ain't 100 percent effective) and the commitment of the Obama Administration to retaliate if any of them were hit by an Iranian nuke.  I think that once Iran has a nuke and a missile capable of delivering it, the Gulf Arabs will fall instantly into line behind Iran in OPEC, in the UN and in every other way.

161 I was trying to be "nice"

Ah, I see.  Sad and sick, but completely true.  Despite how much anti-American hatred there is in the more dysfunctional parts of the world, we're still one of the safest places to be.

And along similar lines, Europe is ahead of us in line to be threatened by nuclear proliferation in the Middle East.  This applies to both nation-states like Iran, and suitcase nukers like al-Qaeda.

162 I think I just heard Mary Katherine Ham on the O'Reilly show say that Barry is going to make another speech this Wednesday about his health care plan. That's it Barry your speeches have worked so well in the past to garner support. Speech # 5 million ought to do the trick.

163 He can only hope things start turning around for him once the midterms are in the rear view mirror, much as they did for Bill Clinton.

You know why Clinton won in 1996? A craptastic challenger. Heck he won in 1992 because of that. And Obama won in 2008 because he had a bozo up against him. You might even say the same thing about President Bush in 2004.

I have every faith the Republicans will throw some RINO douchebag up to face President Obama in 2012.

164 I dunno if he can turn things around cuz he's shown himself as arrogant, elitist, and disinclined to tell the truth. If he'd just shown weakness, Americans might have been more forgiving if he strengthened his positions. But he's shown disdain for us. No re-election.

165

Obama is only polling bad these days in the "flipped" states because all the Dems that were bussed in from safe Blue states had to go home after election day. 

166

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