March 15, 2010
— Ace Madame Palomino is unabashed about declaring health care reform the first step in a fundamental reordering of America along far more socialistic lines.
Also in Allah's post is this interesting piece by Peter Beinart, worth reading in full. But here's a taste. The term "Superjumbo Democrat" means much as you might guess it does -- the metaphor is to Boeing building superjumbo planes even when the market doesn't want them, thus strengthening its brand. A superjumbo Democrat, then, pursues hardcore liberalism even when the public doesn't want it, in the belief that... I don't know. That for some reason the public learns to respect Democrats for doing the opposite of what they ask of them.
Why exactly Obama—advised by David Axelrod, Rahm Emmanuel and Valerie Jarrett—decided to double down on health care remains unclear. But it’s a good bet that President Hillary Clinton—advised by Mark Penn—would have acted differently. And in acting the way he did, Obama has turned himself into a superjumbo Democrat. For the foreseeable future, he has forfeited any chance of bridging the red-blue divide. Prominent Republicans have already announced that if Democrats try to pass health care via reconciliation, they will not work across the aisle to pass anything major this year. Conversely, Obama has cemented his bond with the netroots. It doesn’t really matter that the health care reform bill he is fighting for isn’t particularly left-wing. For the netroots, a politicians’ ideological purity has always been less important than his willingness to resist pressure from the other side, which is exactly what Obama has just done.Whether health care reform passes or not, Obama has embraced polarization over triangulation. He has chosen Karl Rove’s politics of base mobilization over Dick Morris’s politics of crossover appeal, with consequences not merely for how he campaigns for Democrats in 2010, but for he campaigns for himself in 2012. And that’s a disaster for “don’t scare the bear” Democrats whether Obamacare passes or not. The reason is that the DLC wing of the party is much more top-down than the MoveOn wing. It has always wielded influence primarily through elected leaders rather than grassroots activists. But today, Obama is the only leader in the Democratic Party who really matters. As the retirement of Evan Bayh illustrates, there are few nationally prominent DLC-aligned politicians left. (The one person who could have rallied that faction of the party against Obama is now his secretary of state). The DLC wing’s best hope for relevance, therefore, was that Obama himself would restrain the party’s base, that his White House would nurture a new generation of centrist candidates.
That hope is now gone. From top to bottom, Democrats have decided to bet the partyÂ’s future on the belief that Americans prefer bold liberals to cautious ones. Now itÂ’s up to the bear.
"The bear" is the American public -- for years cautious DLC types argued that liberals mustn't "scare the bear." Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. have decided to call the bear's bluff and to try to back the bear down.
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Posted by: pep at March 15, 2010 01:02 PM (0K3p3)
Posted by: RM at March 15, 2010 01:04 PM (xDR+4)
The only thing that can fuck this up for us are...the Republicans.
AmishDude asks in the other thread: "Have you noticed that Graham is the Angel of Death on all of these things?"
hmmm, kinda makes one wonder if Graham and some other Republicans in Congress are undercover operatives for the Democrats. Remember how McCain & the GOP were finally gaining traction in 2008 with domestic oil exploration? And then the 'moderates' show up and pour cold water on our momentum.
Here's Graham again...moving forward with Amnesty at a time when when jobs are an endangered species.
Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at March 15, 2010 01:04 PM (x9okW)
Posted by: The Bear at March 15, 2010 01:04 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Dumbo at March 15, 2010 01:06 PM (Rkx7Z)
Tonight we taste man flesh!
Posted by: Lord of the Rings style Orc Bears at March 15, 2010 01:06 PM (q177U)
Posted by: huerfano at March 15, 2010 01:07 PM (gLSaO)
During Amnesty last time, Soros contributed heavily to both.
Posted by: non_dhimmie at March 15, 2010 01:07 PM (zACGu)
Posted by: Vercingetorix at March 15, 2010 01:08 PM (MchcS)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi, from her first career at March 15, 2010 01:08 PM (RD7QR)
If Republicans/conservatives had these kind of majorities we'd be demanding all kinds of wild shit we'd know we'd only have one shot at. Ours would be marginally less unpopular on balance but we'd still be trading dream policies for marginal seats and even a few we would expect to keep under normal circumstances.
What's the point of having the big hammer if you don't use it?
Posted by: DrewM. at March 15, 2010 01:08 PM (9B5OK)
Posted by: The Congressional Democrats at March 15, 2010 01:09 PM (aDdAT)
Posted by: Government Sachs at March 15, 2010 01:10 PM (+zo63)
Posted by: 'Nam Grunt at March 15, 2010 01:10 PM (tLX4H)
...for years cautious DLC types argued that liberals mustn't "scare the bear." Obama, Pelosi, Reid et al. have decided to call the bear's bluff and to try to back the bear down.
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I like this.
Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at March 15, 2010 01:11 PM (x9okW)
Complete immunity from criticism by the media.
Posted by: pitythefool at March 15, 2010 01:14 PM (Sg8sX)
For another, the right wing isn't nearly as unified as the left -- the social con/ fiscal con divide is real in a way that the divisions on the left simply aren't (that's why, by the way, I think this thing will pass if they ever get it to a vote. In the end, Kucinich and all the rest of the "it's not socialist enough" crowd will hear the siren song of history, since this is their big shot to get the socialist foot in the door of 1/6th of the economy).
Still, let the '10 bloodbath begin, and maybe our guys can force through a few minor tax cuts or something.... or at least stop the bleeding....
Posted by: bullfrog at March 15, 2010 01:15 PM (g+3Ca)
The funny thing is, Rove had a cross over kind of guy. W. with his 'compassionate' conservatism (as opposed to what exactly?), his No Child Left Behind, Medicare Drug plan, big spending, etc was built for that kind of appeal.
Obama on the other hand has to pander to the base. It's all he knows. Anything to the right of him (like the Clintons) isn't just wrong, it's evil. He's not going there.
Circumstances (9/11) and persistent lying by the Democrats painted Bush as an extremist. As a conservative all I can say is, If Only!
Posted by: DrewM. at March 15, 2010 01:16 PM (9B5OK)
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Posted by: Jean at March 15, 2010 01:16 PM (PjevJ)
Grizzly man tried that and the bear ate him.
Posted by: kansas at March 15, 2010 01:16 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 15, 2010 01:17 PM (SB0V2)
This jug-eared motherfucker is going to have the biggest public Presidential meltdown we've ever seen well before his term is up. Pass the popcorn.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 15, 2010 01:18 PM (5TFsN)
I was rooting for the bear. How about you?
Posted by: kansas at March 15, 2010 01:19 PM (mka2b)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 15, 2010 01:20 PM (SB0V2)
The bear will eat them alive and $hit in the woods.
Posted by: Tushar at March 15, 2010 01:21 PM (KXhmI)
"We are a nation of cowards." -- Precedential mouthpiece.
America was warned. Over and over and over.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 01:22 PM (A46hP)
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Posted by: maddogg at March 15, 2010 01:22 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: Blue Hen at March 15, 2010 01:22 PM (R2fpr)
Hi,
I just wanted to let my constituents know that myself and my huge smelly unwashed fat ass are fully behind the push for healthcare for everybody.
Thank you,
Sen. Debbie Stabenow
Posted by: Sen. Debbie Stabenow at March 15, 2010 01:23 PM (tcSZb)
Posted by: newser at March 15, 2010 01:23 PM (X2eW0)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 15, 2010 01:24 PM (mR7mk)
Over at Liveleak.com someone posted the following:
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The public can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president...."
(Emphasis mine.)
Good stuff!
Kudos to "Jet2jet"
Posted by: effinayright at March 15, 2010 01:24 PM (eDLXV)
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Posted by: Guvnah at March 15, 2010 01:26 PM (Rg8DN)
Posted by: Z as in Jersey at March 15, 2010 01:26 PM (kZT4X)
This is one of those moments.
Posted by: Armando at March 15, 2010 01:27 PM (nd0uY)
And I'm not sure what can be done about it.
Posted by: ParisParamus at March 15, 2010 01:28 PM (TFs5o)
Posted by: newser at March 15, 2010 05:23 PM (X2eW0)
LOL. That's why I keep telling people that there's no way the Indonesian Imbecile got over a 430 on his SAT math score. I'm still waiting for him to have to do some simple arithmetic with fractions in public. That will surely be a hoot.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 01:28 PM (A46hP)
It's not about the hunting is it?
--- apologies for screwing up ace's recounting of Gottfried's "bear fucking a hunter" joke
Posted by: The American Public at March 15, 2010 01:29 PM (ruzrP)
Posted by: Fresh Air at March 15, 2010 01:30 PM (dkkRf)
One small issue with this post:
There is no such thing as "hard-core left liberalism." To hear the term, you'd think that all the Obama/Pelosi/Reid faction wants is more bohemian coffee houses and Judy Garland photos. This is, to use the technical term, bullshit.
Technically, "liberalism" means a philosophy of liberty, i.e., the beliefs of Reagan Republicans. However, over time the term in the US has come to also mean capitalism mixed with a small degree of socialism.
Obama, Pelosi, and Reid do not fit either of these definitions. Their philosophy is known as Marxist socialism, aka Communism. If they get their way, it won't mean more bohemian coffee houses; it will mean more concentration camps for those who refuse to toe the Party line.
Posted by: Ken at March 15, 2010 01:30 PM (fh5xr)
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Posted by: nine coconuts at March 15, 2010 01:30 PM (DHNp4)
Posted by: Armando at March 15, 2010 01:31 PM (nd0uY)
Posted by: K1ll the B1ll at March 15, 2010 01:32 PM (PI/0J)
From US Army Times. US troops in Haiti not allowed to fly US flag on orders of Obama admin.
On my twitter.
Posted by: William Amos at March 15, 2010 01:33 PM (L+kEZ)
Posted by: TheBear at March 15, 2010 01:33 PM (HwMXR)
Posted by: fluffy will get ursine on yo azz at March 15, 2010 01:33 PM (4Kl5M)
So the question becomes, how many of the 52%ers are true believers and how many just got suckered by the unicorn fantasies and have/will awaken to their mistake?
Regardless of the percentages now, we are heading to a polarization point where the liberal/conservative populace will not be able to coexist. Why? Well, BtotheOCare is exhibit A-Z. We will either become a socialist country run by statist or we won't, the in-between has disappeared.
Rush says continuously that we cannot reason with libs, they must be defeated. And while such rhetoric grates on the ears of the great moderates of our society like Brooksie, Frumsie, KPark, and CPowell, the current Constitutional crisis bears out Rush's wisdom. They do not want to coexist under the founding principles of our nation, so at some point the pot will boil over and there will be blood.
Not sure when, how, or what the why will be, but it will happen.
Posted by: The Hammer at March 15, 2010 01:35 PM (YBTwf)
Posted by: Comrade at March 15, 2010 01:36 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Tim at March 15, 2010 01:36 PM (xq7pr)
Posted by: gomm at March 15, 2010 01:36 PM (Ibk1S)
@60 The bear would die from botulism.
so that explains the rabid irrational insanity of meanbitchPiglosi.
Posted by: K1ll the B1ll at March 15, 2010 01:37 PM (PI/0J)
Messin' with the bear. Not something a smart person would do, but we are talking Pelosi. Her brain is not up to par.
Posted by: 141 Driver at March 15, 2010 01:37 PM (LEynS)
hope for a broad socialist agenda idiot sheep & change from the policy of amelioration towards the center to socialism.
Posted by: rightzilla at March 15, 2010 01:38 PM (rVJH4)
@65: that 52% was a percentage of the total vote in 2008, not the total vote in a normal election. McCain lost several million votes because of TARP that went for Bush in 2004, but stayed home in 2008. If the GOP can convince those people that it's changed its ways, it will win in 2012.
Posted by: Ken at March 15, 2010 01:39 PM (fh5xr)
Posted by: ford at March 15, 2010 01:39 PM (Ki7fm)
Posted by: ford at March 15, 2010 01:41 PM (Ki7fm)
Posted by: newser at March 15, 2010 05:23 PM (X2eW0)
Holy cow! Obama is right! If we pass this, we'll be rolling in money!
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 15, 2010 01:44 PM (xxgag)
We have, IMO, 2 hopes. 1. That B to the O, Gran Nan, and Uncle Harry have misread their hand and overreached in a way that will snap some of the slumbering "bears" back into reality. Enough to make a difference in 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016. A big, game-changing difference.
2. Well, I can't think of 2 except the return of Christ to straighten this whole mess out.
Posted by: The Hammer at March 15, 2010 01:45 PM (YBTwf)
Posted by: gus at March 15, 2010 01:45 PM (Vqruj)
The reason is that the DLC wing of the party is much more top-down than the MoveOn wing.
This brings up an observation of mine.
As much as I despise the DLC types, like Clinton, I at least know, for the most part, who they are.
MoveOn, though, is a sinister, shadowy organization whose leaders seldom appear. What are they hiding?
Posted by: Ken at March 15, 2010 01:46 PM (fh5xr)
With all that is happening, I have a hard time not succumbing to the over consumption of Guinness in mass quantities....is that superfluous?
Posted by: rightzilla at March 15, 2010 01:47 PM (rVJH4)
That's why I call him President Informercial.
This health care bill is so good you can't afford NOT to pass it!
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Posted by: Gary B at March 15, 2010 01:47 PM (1gWfF)
Call now, and we'll throw in this Jello mold shaped like Kansas!
Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 15, 2010 01:48 PM (mR7mk)
Obie clownshoes sucks at basketball just like he sucks at everything else.
The pindick can't go right to save his life.
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Posted by: The War Between the Undead States, Who Watched "Heaven's Gate" Last Week at March 15, 2010 01:53 PM (5TFsN)
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Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2010 01:59 PM (ED3Pf)
"Billy, have you ever seen a grown man naked?" Heh. R.I.P.
Posted by: Jane D'oh, Fright Winger at March 15, 2010 01:59 PM (UOM48)
This is like pre-WWII Germany. The masses willingly went along with this shit.
They've woken up. I'm locked and I'm loaded. Shove something down my thoat and a TEA BAGGING would seem mild to what I'm going to do.
Posted by: gus at March 15, 2010 02:00 PM (Vqruj)
Posted by: JimK at March 15, 2010 02:01 PM (m4J5y)
It's sad that Jim Webb has stopped sucking Opie's little cock. Maybe it's because Jimbo has a racist past?
The is the natural conclusion. Right?
Posted by: gus at March 15, 2010 02:01 PM (Vqruj)
Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2010 02:02 PM (ED3Pf)
Posted by: dagny at March 15, 2010 02:03 PM (ED3Pf)
Seriously, it'd take all the tequila in Mexico and all the drugs in California to get a guy to screw the likes of Hillary, M'Chelle, Pelosi...
Why do you think they have so much pot on the Left Coast?
Posted by: Ken at March 15, 2010 02:04 PM (fh5xr)
Boeing built the first "jumbo", the 747, based on the belief that airlines would like to own fewer airplanes, offer fewer flights at lower cost per seat-mile, and sell more tickets to move more people. What's not to like? A market-driven solution that was a win-win-win for everyone, including the customer.
AirButz on the other hand decided they wanted to build the biggest commercial airplane in the world, a so-called SuperJumbo, so they built the A380. I am not sure they have made a nickle on it yet, and they are having problems achieving production rates to fulfill their commitments.
I know which one reminds me of ObamaCare, and it ain't the Boeing 747.
Posted by: sherlock at March 15, 2010 02:04 PM (fKPuo)
"Well, this particular bear is ready to take a grizzly-sized shit all over the Demorcratic woods come November."
Maybe one of these will help until Nov
Posted by: Odumplet at March 15, 2010 02:06 PM (ucq49)
Nice of James Webb to oppose Obamacare now that it's too late to help.
Webb looks like a one-termer to me.
Posted by: Ken at March 15, 2010 02:07 PM (fh5xr)
Posted by: Codec717 at March 15, 2010 02:07 PM (DyuqI)
Posted by: Tom Hanks at March 15, 2010 02:08 PM (fDab1)
If it hasn't been said yet:
Then "yum, yum, yum" goes to big, hungry bear.
I've been out all weekend (doing the thankless task of trying to find a decent used car for the second kid...and I thank you cash for clunkers! Bastiges!) and this freaking healthcare bill is still going nowhere? These are "bold liberals"? Are you sure? Because they don't look like either.
They're beginning to tick me off just dragging this out forever -- shit or get off the pot as the old saying used to go!
Posted by: unknown jane at March 15, 2010 02:08 PM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Steph at March 15, 2010 05:57 PM (riZEn)
The Porkulus couldn't be had in complete form when both houses voted for it. This is legislation-by-ear ... to think up a nice euphemism for "coup".
Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 15, 2010 02:08 PM (A46hP)
103 O/T Peter Graves dead yesterday at 83.
"Billy, have you ever seen a grown man naked?" Heh. R.I.P.
"Roger, Roger...What is the VectorVictor?"
Posted by: rightzilla at March 15, 2010 02:13 PM (rVJH4)
Posted by: Monty at March 15, 2010 02:19 PM (QkTOo)
It's not about what's in the legislation, it's what the threat of bribe to the LEGISLATOR is.
How fucking stupid do you have to be, to be undecided by now?
Posted by: gus at March 15, 2010 02:21 PM (Vqruj)
"No Democrat-Controlled Congress Has Balanced Federal Budget in 40 Years"
I think that about sums it up.
Posted by: CNS News at March 15, 2010 02:27 PM (ucq49)
103 O/T Peter Graves dead yesterday at 83.
"Billy, have you ever seen a grown man naked?" Heh. R.I.P.
"Roger, Roger...What is the VectorVictor?"
Posted by: rightzilla at March 15, 2010 06:13 PM (rVJH4)
I disavow any knowledge of his existence.
Good Luck, Jim
Posted by: The Secretary at March 15, 2010 02:30 PM (zqzYV)
Posted by: TexasJew at March 15, 2010 02:31 PM (HzNcF)
That may have been a crap movie, but it had a beautiful soundtrack.
Posted by: WalrusRex at March 15, 2010 02:36 PM (xxgag)
Barry is like the transmission from the future in the film "Prince of Darkness". In that movie, the transmission (which shows a dark figure emerging from a church) gets into your head and slowly and inexorably pushes everything else out until the only thing you know is the transmission and its message.
In this instance, those receiving the message is the democratic party and the message is Barry emerging to take over the world. And the transmission is sent by future Barry, not as a warning but as a proclamation of ultimate triumph.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 15, 2010 02:40 PM (P33XN)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 15, 2010 02:46 PM (5TFsN)
yet one more lie out of the fuckhole of Pre'ent Toonces.
Thanks again FiftyTwo Percenters, you fucking fucks.
Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner At Large at March 15, 2010 02:47 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: di butler, superflybitch at March 15, 2010 02:55 PM (S3xX1)
I don't care for this article because it once again ignores the elephant in the room.
Obama and his merry band of Marxists aren't operating under the theory that moving to the left will gain them respect for showing the courage of their convictions.
Or that they believe the public will eventually grow to like their new health care system and thank Democrats for putting it into place.
It has nothing to do with that. The public is going to hate the shitty health care they'll receive. They'll resent it for the rest of their lives and the Democrats know it.
But they're going to ram this monstrosity through anyway because they know that we can't unwind it. We'll just be forced to fight among each other for a dwindling pool of resources that they control.
That's what will keep them in power. That and a fresh wave of illegals who've never experienced just how good US health care once was.
This new system will be all they've ever known. And they'll like it because others are going to be the ones paying for it.
Posted by: Warden at March 15, 2010 03:09 PM (QoR4a)
Translation: I, Peter Beinart, Yale-educated DLC-type pundit, can not understand - much less explain - why this administration would continue to pursue legislation that carries so much political liability to both himself and his party. I can not entertain the notion that Obama might have ideological motivations that far outweigh any political consideration.
P.S. I'm watching the Suicide Girls Guide to Living right now. It's a collection of clips in which the Suicide Girls offer expert advice on essential life skills (e.g. How to kill a vampire, roll a joint, or recover from a hangover). I thought their only real expertise was being naked and tattoo'd up. Fortunately, they deliver all their lessons in varying states of nakedness. 1.5 stars.
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