April 14, 2010

Obama vs. DOJ on DADT
— Gabriel Malor

President Obama's recent pronouncements on the gays-in-the-military policy put the Department of Justice in a tight spot. DOJ is defending Don't Ask, Don't Tell in the courts right now, in keeping with its long tradition of defending all laws so long as a reasonable argument can be made as to their constitutionality, regardless of who is in the White House.

Log Cabin Republicans are the plaintiffs in one of those cases and have forced DOJ to explicitly reject Obama's statements. DOJ had resisted making a fast and sure statement, and continues to object since its attempt to get an interlocutory appeal failed, but finally had to comply when the judge ordered them to make a "yes or no" answer.

Here is DOJ's response (PDF). It's short, but I've pulled out the most relevant bits:

The Court's Order has placed Defendants in an untenable position. Counsel in this litigation represents the United States. However, the Executive and Legislative Branches have yet to express a unified position on the subject matter of Plaintiff's RFAs. For these reasons, it is Defendant's position that providing a single-word, unqualified answer in response would be inaccurate, incomplete, and inconsistent with the mandatory provisions of Rule 36(a)(4).

The President of the United States, who formulates the policy of the Executive Branch, has stated, including in his State of the Union Address on January 27, 2010, that 10 U.S.C. § 654, the statute enacting "Don’t Ask Don’t Tell" ("DADT"), should be repealed. The President has further said that DADT does not contribute to, and indeed weakens our national security, and he has stated that "[w]e cannot afford to cut from our ranks people with the critical skills we need to fight any more than we can afford – for our military’s integrity – to force those willing to do so into careers encumbered and compromised by having to live a lie."

The Court's order does not permit the United States to provide an answer that, in good faith, "specif[ies] the part admitted and qualif[ies] or den[ies] the rest," Fed. R. Civ. Proc. 36(a)(4), in view of the disagreement bewteen the Executive Branch's view as articulated in 2010 and Congress' view as articulated in its 1993 enactment of [DADT].

Given that disagreement, the United States has no choice but to deny, for the purposes of this litigation, the requests for admission noted below, while recognizing that those denials do not reflect the positions articulated by the President.

3. Admit that DADT does not contribute to our national security.

Response: Deny.

4. Admit that DADT weakens our national security.

Response: Deny.

5. Admit that discharging members pursuant to DADT weakens our national security.

Response: Deny.

In short, DOJ just called Obama a liar.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:36 AM | Comments (22)
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In short, DOJ just called Obama a liar.

Bwahahahaha! Ol' Holder's gonna get an earful!

 

Posted by: Gray Wolf at April 14, 2010 09:43 AM (srBjT)

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"In short, DOJ just called Obama a liar."

Sounds like they fried a few logic circuits doing it, too.

Say, isn't this Holder's department? So Eric Holder hates gays, huh? How's that feel, self-righteous lefties? I think I smell some more logic circuits frying.

Posted by: Randy at April 14, 2010 09:43 AM (zQKSr)

3 This is hilarious. What an idiot to fool with this policy. Homophobe though I've been called, and even though I was initially against DADT (I was in the Army '93-'99), I eventually came to view it as the only acceptable compromise position. Once I calmed down, I realized that it really meant "We don't care what you do, just do it in private and shut the fuck up about it." It allowed your squared-away, non-political homos to serve honorably, while rightfully weeding out those who enlisted or accepted a commission and then proceeded to wreck unit morale with their histrionics. As I recall, the only concrete effect I saw was the lining through of two questions regarding sexual preference on an enlistment questionnaire. Gotta give that one to BJ Clinton, even though it was probably not the consequence he intended.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Chairman of the Nonpartisan Anti-Chinese League at April 14, 2010 09:46 AM (xGIqT)

4 I remember one Saturday having to go to a Mk 19 (belt-fed 40mm grenade launcher) range, and everyone was bitching about having to train on a weekend when we weren't deployed. As we're loading up in the back of a deuce-and-a-half, one of our joes, SPC Pohlman (who was married) asks our First Sergeant, "Hey, Top - I'm gay. Do I still have to go to the range with the rest of the platoon?" 1SG says, "They're more scared of you than you are of them, son. Have a nice time."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Chairman of the Nonpartisan Anti-Chinese League at April 14, 2010 09:54 AM (xGIqT)

5 In short, DOJ just called Obama a liar. I'm asking this non-rhetorically, as an honest question: didn't they really just say that the policy of the United States is unclear at present but you've forced us to make yes or no answers to non-binary questions?

Posted by: joncelli at April 14, 2010 09:54 AM (RD7QR)

6 Joncelli, Yes, I believe your assessment is more accurate.

Posted by: Tommy V at April 14, 2010 10:03 AM (ik7C6)

7 What they wrote didn't call Obama a liar, that presupposes that he knows those statements are wrong.
I would venture that he believes those statements.

They called him an igorant fool, not a liar.

Posted by: Veeshir at April 14, 2010 10:07 AM (8Mlla)

8 My point being that throwing out charges of "Liar" should be reserved for when he lies.
Those aren't statements of fact, they're opinions and the bar for calling opinions "lies" is much higher than for statements of fact.

Posted by: Veeshir at April 14, 2010 10:09 AM (8Mlla)

9 joncelli, DADT isn't policy, it's law. The bind that they're (DoJ) in is that they must defend the laws that are passed by Congress. Only SCOTUS can strike down a law as unconstitutional. The embarrassing bit is completely Obama's problem. He's the head of the Executive Branch, of which the DoJ is a part. However, just because he doesn't like DADT and has made these pronouncements about its effect on national security doesn't make a bit of difference. The law stands until Congress repeals it or SCOTUS revokes it. Obama put his own Justice Department in the position of having to contradict him. They have to uphold and defend the law that exists, not the petulant whinings of the immature pissmire that is their boss. If he wasn't such a self-involved narcissist who was a complete fucking inexperienced amateur, he could have avoided this.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Chairman of the Nonpartisan Anti-Chinese League at April 14, 2010 10:10 AM (xGIqT)

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Obama vs. DOJ on DADT, NTTAWWT, IYKWIMAITTYD

FTFY

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 14, 2010 10:11 AM (k5CvA)

11 So what's the big deal? Obama is a liar so no big revelation there.

Posted by: Vic at April 14, 2010 10:17 AM (QrA9E)

12 So Eric Holder hates gays, huh? How's that feel, self-righteous lefties?

Holder doesn't get a pass because he's black? 

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 14, 2010 10:18 AM (mR7mk)

13 Holder doesn't get a pass because he's black? Blacks are FAR more homophobic than whites. See Prop. 8 in CA.

Posted by: joncelli at April 14, 2010 10:21 AM (RD7QR)

14 Every April our Track Team noted the increase in used condoms on our wooded trails during our long runs.  A sure sign of Spring, if there ever was one!  What's Obama up to with the used condoms with Mrs. Obama away in Mexico? Where's Monica Lewinsky? Andy S.? Bawney Frank?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 14, 2010 10:25 AM (usjNq)

15 Blacks are FAR more homophobic than whites. See Prop. 8 in CA.

Yeah, and they knocked windows out of Mormon churches, not black churches.  Curious how the lefty mind works  is.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 14, 2010 10:31 AM (mR7mk)

16 Yeah, and they knocked windows out of Mormon churches, not black churches, because blacks are violent thugs and would have beaten, stabbed or murdered them to death. Isn't that what you meant to say, RAAACISSSSSST?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Chairman of the Nonpartisan Anti-Chinese League at April 14, 2010 10:36 AM (xGIqT)

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Blacks are FAR more homophobic than whites. See Prop. 8 in CA.

Nitpicking here: Voting that same sex marriage is not a marriage, does not make one a "homophobe". That word is incorrectly used 99.9% of the time, probably because it was pretty much made up by the homsexual lobby.

Posted by: Bill R. at April 14, 2010 10:41 AM (EhlQq)

18 I'm just an observer here, Jeff.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 14, 2010 10:41 AM (mR7mk)

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In short, DOJ just called Obama a liar.

That's because he is.

Posted by: thebronze at April 14, 2010 12:05 PM (cndK+)

20 Blacks are FAR more homophobic than whites. See Prop. 8 in CA.

Posted by: joncelli at April 14, 2010 02:21 PM (RD7QR)

Yeah, homophobic, that's it. And anyone that didn't support open borders immigration policy is xenophobic too, and obviously a racist. Can we call any homosexual supporters of redefining marriage heterophobic too?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at April 14, 2010 12:26 PM (F09Uo)

21 "The bind that they're (DoJ) in is that they must defend the laws that are passed by Congress."

No, they don't HAVE to: they just do so as a (generally very appropriate) matter of longstanding DOJ policy.

Posted by: Dave J. at April 14, 2010 04:09 PM (DCQ0q)

22 MEHH,

DADT should be strengthened - nobodies business what your hobbies are off-duty.

Posted by: Druid at April 14, 2010 06:50 PM (Oe01r)

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