1 Start looking: July 1, 1854

2 That was actually Thomas Jefferson.  One of his mindthoughts.

3 Here's an idea, semi OT: 

Everybody take a Slurpee with them to the polls on Nov. 2nd! 

They may kick you out for wearing WWE gear up in CT, or tell you that you have to cover up any campaign t-shirts, but I think everyone who's voting GOP should be standing in line sipping Slurpees.  Get enough people doing it, I'm sure video of people holding Slurpees will make it into the national news coverage that night.

What a great UP YOURS to Obambi!


Spread the word, morons!

4 "I can see Mecca from my house!" -- Barack Hussein Obama

5 Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "that government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves."

Well, he DID say that "that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."  Same thing, right?

6 Obama's other Lincoln quote:

Fourscore and...
[looks at his pocket watch]
seven minutes ago... we, your forefathers, were brought forth upon a most excellent adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill... and Ted. These two great gentlemen are dedicated to a proposition which was true in my time, just as it's true today. Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!

7 Found this" "The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves -- in their separate, and individual capacities.
--July 1, 1854 [?] Fragment on Government

8 real Lincoln:

“The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, and individual capacities. In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

9 Obama's copy of the Second Inaugural doesn't mention God, I'm sure.

10

"The legitimate object of government is to do for people what needs to be done." Lincoln made these comments on what role the government should play on July 1, 1854. Lincoln asked why government exists. "Why not each individual," he said, "take himself the whole fruit of his labor, without having any of it taxed away...?" He answered saying that government should do what people cannot do by individual effort. Lincoln cited many examples of things that people cannot do on their own: making and maintaining roads and bridges, providing for the helpless, providing schools, and disposing of the deceased's property.

11 "If we're gonna win this war, we're gonna need a bigger Slurpee while the Democrats pull the carriage out of the ditch!"

12 I think Obama was quoting his Auntie.

13 Doing the pudding dip is something one enjoys in the privacy of their own home (I hope), but sippin' on a Slurpee when you go out and vote would be a great way mess with the Dem's heads.

14 Honestly, I dimly recall that Lincoln did say something like this, though the implication was not that if government and the people can equally do something, the government should do it, as in the Obama version.  Maybe a defense of internal improvements?

15 In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

Posted by: negentropy at October 23, 2010 11:31 AM (za8XL)

CLEARLY, the American people are incapable of deciding for themselves what type of light bulb works best for them!

16 http://bit.ly/Jndjq

17 Did he say the opposite thing before, during, or after the 1776 Boston Tea Party?

In the President's defense, he only reads what people put in front of him.  Welcome to the Ron Burgundy presidency.

18 12 I think Obama was quoting his Auntie.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at October 23, 2010 11:32 AM (deaHT)

No, you're thinking of, "You owe me, bitches!  I'm black!"

19 You all do realize, right, that Abe Lincoln got this whole Big Government ball rolling.....???

20 The magic of morons.  While I was typing, y'all found the quote I was thinking of.  As usual, it appears that the 'Lincoln' Obama was thinking of was the bearded German guy who spelled his name M-A-R-X.

21 19 You all do realize, right, that Abe Lincoln got this whole Big Government ball rolling.....???

Posted by: Wesley at October 23, 2010 11:33 AM (qbdwr)

Oh oh... this ain't going to turn into a thread on the War of Northern Aggression, is it?

22 Check out this http://www.handsofftexas.com/posts/8-learn-your-lincoln-mr-president

23

I'll skip the obvious poontang joke here.

Morning Moe Rons.

 

24 Doing the pudding dip is something one enjoys in the privacy of their own home (I hope), but sippin' on a Slurpee when you go out and vote would be a great way mess with the Dem's heads.

1000%

25 government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves

Other than building interstate highways and defending against foreign invaders (which Obama is dead set against *cough*...), what else is there that fits in this category?

26 I think the quote "The devil can quote scripture for his own ends" applies succinctly to Obama.

Except I think the devil would be a bit less dishonest.

27 this shows two of Obama's principle characteristics: a lack of interest in actual, you know, facts, and the belief that the gov't can do just about anything better than the people can do them for themselves. Typical lefty. Kinda like the FOX slogan "we dictate, you obey."

28 You all do realize, right, that Abe Lincoln got this whole Big Government ball rolling.....???

Yes, the whole keeping the union together, ending slavery thing...just awful.

Save it, dude.

29 ...it appears that the 'Lincoln' Obama was thinking of was the bearded German guy who spelled his name M-A-R-X.

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at October 23, 2010 11:35 AM (Aw0+T)

You didn't know Marx's middle name was Abraham, did ya?

30 You can get the gist by simply adding one word -

"that government should do for the people only what they cannot do better for themselves"

31 providing for the helpless

Maybe individuals can't do that, but voluntary groups of individuals do that much better than the government can.

32
Posted by: Stuff Abraham Lincoln Said, Vol. III at October 23, 2010 11:32 AM (BP6Z1)

Furk, here we go again.

33 Hey, at least OWaffle finally got something right.

34 @32: sigh... I was about to say the same thing...

35

Not really, Wes.  If you have to agree with Obama, don't agree on some of his most absurd grounds.

The vast expansion of the federal 'government' during the Civil War was almost entirely an expansion of the military.  The 'government' shrunk dramatically at the end of the War and by the end of the Reconstruction Era had returned to its historically limited size and role.  The modern expansion of government dates the Progressive Era.

36 To Obama's defense, he may not be dishonest in this quotation. He may just be retarded.

37 Hey, at least OWaffle finally got something right.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 23, 2010 11:38 AM (AZWim)

He does that shit on purpose....it's an 'up yours' to us.

38 You guys talk about me like I'm retarded!

39

The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.

40 Furk, here we go again.

Posted by: Dang Straights at October 23, 2010 11:37 AM (sZ/+R)

--Would you prefer endless Charlie Gibson sockpuppets?

41

Comrades,  the dialectic of scientific materialism demands the extermination of the oppressor classes!

 

 

42 The Lincoln BHO quotes is Vladimir Ilyich Lincoln not Abe.

43
"...In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

Obama leaves that out.  MSM doesn't care.  what a shock.

44 Hands Off Texas addressed it back in September but didn't cite the source:

“The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves in their separate, and individual capacities. In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.”

I punched that full quote into here and got this as the top item on the list.  It's a general correspondence fragment from the 1840's and has no addressee.  There may be other uses by Lincoln with a somewhat different wording but I haven't tried looking for them.

45 3, 13. +1000 and especially in Philly

46

Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.

47 The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we shall hang them.

48 Would you prefer endless Charlie Gibson sockpuppets?

Best left to cable.

49 Obama leaves that out.  MSM doesn't care.  what a shock.

Why should anything change now?

50 But His Awesomeness can't be mistaken, he graduated form Harvard Law School you ignorant, racist, slurpee sucking rednecks.

51 "Islam always being part of America"

Obama recently authorized 80,000 "refugees" into the country mostly from islamic countries. He said it “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”

52

Oh oh... this ain't going to turn into a thread on the War of Northern Aggression, is it?

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 23, 2010 11:35 AM (tJjm/)

Why are you always stirring things up around here, CC?

53 One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.

54 Awesome post... gets to the heart of the subversion of reality that progressivism needs to spread itself: don't argue with them, just shoot them.

55 23

I'll skip the obvious poontang joke here.

Morning Moe Rons.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at October 23, 2010 11:35 AM (AZWim)

Hey, what about the 'ettes?

56 Today is the day the oceans stop rising.

57 Where's Greg?

58  Hey, I can make shit up all day, and there is nothing you can do about it.

59 I likey the slurpee at the polls idea. Thanks.

60 I am not even going into the war. That is more of a grey area... Ending slavery, good. 600,000 deaths, bad. But I think we can all agree on the concept of limited government (the topic of this post). See: The American School http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_(economics)

61 Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "that government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves."

So if I can do it better, government will get the fuck off my back?

62 THE WAVE IS STILL BUILDING. IT WILL EVEN REACH NEW YORK; I CAN FEEL IT.

^{Also there are now even 7-11s in NYC, so...}

63

Hey, what about the 'ettes?

Posted by: Museisluse at October 23, 2010 11:48 AM (DTfXb)

I thought they were protesting the use of the word, you know, like the actor actress thing.

Ok Ok, whatever ettes happen to be in the audience, Good Mornin. My bad.

64 What I find "scary funny" is not that he misquotes Lincoln. I find it horrifying that he, as well as a lot of other dumb asses, will take quotes like that from someone like Lincoln and give them the same gravity and force as the Constitution.

"If Lincoln said, then it must be law" right?

65

Four score and seven years ago, anti-Islamic homophobe racists brought forth a primitive expression of archaic nativist sentiment called a "nation,"  under the Flying Spaghetti Monster, with a government of the bitter-clingers, by the bitterclingers, and for the bitterclingers, so that retarded redneck hicks should not perish from the earth.  I apologize. 

66
What Jefferson was saying was, Hey! You know, we left this England place 'cause it was bogus; so if we don't get some cool rules ourselves - pronto - we'll just be bogus too! Get it?

67 Delta, be sure to try to catch Jim Rome Monday: Jay Mohr is subbing again! 

(I can't wait for Jim to do a take on the Top Gun sequel, though.)

68

Lighten up, will ya.

He cannot possible get everything right. He skipped this particular history lesson so he could go snort some blow and discuss the hate whitey movement with Cornell West.

69 Damn I love you Morons.

70 I emailed Ace and Glen Reynolds about the Slurpee idea.  I just hope they get to it and help spread the word.  Any of you co-bloggers read the comments and can help get this idea off the ground?

I would LOVE to see this happen!

71 By the way, I'm really liking this whole Juan Williams thing. I'm thinking of sending that stupid cow Schiller a thank you note. She's single-handedly shown the country what close-minded bufoons elitist liberals are. Oh, and David Horowitz has suggested the we should stop referring to liberals as "liberals" and start referring to them as what they really are: "neo-communists". Neo-com has a nice ring to it.

72 I have finally determined The Name that will be subliminally inserted into my people by Kofi Annan when he "misspeaks" my name during The Campaign.

Barack Pangea

73
moron analysis & opinion on both the Toomey & Johnson debates, pweeze

74 "Let me be clear... as I, and Abe Lincoln, have always said..."

75
who won?

any zingers?

76 Delta, be sure to try to catch Jim Rome Monday: Jay Mohr is subbing again! 

Excellent.  Thanks.  Mohr is his best guest host.

77

Hmmmm

 

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away men's initiative and independence.
You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."
— Abraham Lincoln

78
I have but one life to give for Islam.

-Barack O'Dingo

79
I saw that Frank Lunks did a focus group (with his usual losers and freaks) after the Toomey/Sleestak debate, but didn't watch it.

80 He has used this quote over and over again, and as ever, the mainstream press are as critical to his every utterance as geese being force-fed for pâté. Geese are HIGHLY critical of the pâté making process. The only reason they do not express this criticism is that they lack the capacity to talk which, even if they possessed it, would be impossible to exercise because of the funnel lodged in their throats.

81 Speaking of "ettes," how come we're not allowed to say "actress" anymore, anyway?  WHO finds that offensive?  Not the no talent bimbos that pocket the Best Actress Oscars each year, apparently...

82
Barack, I am your father.

83

I knew Abe Lincoln Mr. Obama, and you're no Abe Lincoln.

-William Brimley

84 Publixc Debt went from 62 million in 1860 to 2.6 billion in 1865. Sure, that was virtually all war-time debt. But the debt never got below 1.5 billion and continued to grow at the end of the century. Obviously, Lincoln was dead. I am not saying he caused our current predicament. But besides freeing the slaves and preserving the union (two wonderful things) I see no reason to take his advice on other aspects of government.

85 Abraham Lincoln?

86 But besides freeing the slaves and preserving the union (two wonderful things) I see no reason to take his advice on other aspects of government.

Posted by: Wesley at October 23, 2010 12:00 PM (qbdwr)

Well, that's kind of what we're saying: there is no reason for Obama to bring up Lincoln at all.

87 Crap, off, sock...

88 70 I emailed Ace and Glen Reynolds about the Slurpee idea.  I just hope they get to it and help spread the word.  Any of you co-bloggers read the comments and can help get this idea off the ground?

I would LOVE to see this happen!

Posted by: The Ditch at October 23, 2010 11:55 AM (dOatv)

And maybe a Parade of Tow Trucks? With signs saying "Mr. President, you get cars out of a ditch, with tow trucks, not with speeches..."

89
I see no reason to take his advice on other aspects of government.

Right, because clearly President Lincoln had no other concerns during his presidency.

90

"A good plan, violently executed now, is better than a perfect plan next week."

-President Barack Obama   General George S. Patton

91 @80: I, for one, welcome our new overfed geese overlords.

92
Too bad Abraham Lincoln wasn't the president while America was on the cusp of the industrial revolution...

93 The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselvesin (sic) their separate, and individual capacities. In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere. The desirable things which the individuals of a people can not do, or can not well do, for themselves, fall into two classes: those which have relation to wrongs, and those which have not. Each of these branch off into an infinite variety of subdivisions. The firstthat (sic) in relation to wrongsembraces (sic)all crimes, misdemeanors, and nonperformance of contracts. The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself. From this it appears that if all men were just, there still would be some, though not so much, need for government.

http://www.iwise.com/PpMD3

94 Here's some interesting recent history:

WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results

By late 2003, even the Bush White HouseÂ’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

But for years afterward, WikiLeaksÂ’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins, and uncover weapons of mass destruction.

An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.
---------

The article is full of Wired Magazine's left wing snark, but it contains some interesting stuff never reported by the MFM.

95 Anyone know if Barry ever really had the TV taken out of the Lincoln Bedroom?  Or was that merely "words, just words!"?

96 I have come bringing GREAT news! 7-eleven is selling Slurpee Super Big Gulp cups promoting SummerSlam and featuring WWE Superstars! Mine has the mega hot “WWE Diva Eve!” I will definitely be getting a refill on November 2 on my way to the voting both! Pick yours up today! Is it wrong to be so excited about this?

97 #80, you are correct.
Fixed it more better, I think.

98 96 I have come bringing GREAT news! 7-eleven is selling Slurpee Super Big Gulp cups promoting SummerSlam and featuring WWE Superstars! Mine has the mega hot “WWE Diva Eve!” I will definitely be getting a refill on November 2 on my way to the voting both! Pick yours up today! Is it wrong to be so excited about this?

Posted by: razor44 at October 23, 2010 12:08 PM (CGc6c)

--Connecticut Morons, take note.

99 Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "Today we golf, for tomorrow we could be exposed".

100 Speaking of "ettes," how come we're not allowed to say "actress" anymore, anyway?  WHO finds that offensive?  Not the no talent bimbos that pocket the Best Actress Oscars each year, apparently...

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 23, 2010 11:58 AM (tJjm/)

Given how they act, it's more accurate to not call them actresses.

101 More about the WikiLeaks document dump:

It Was IranÂ’s War, Too

No one would accuse WikiLeaks of being pro-war. Not when the transparency group titled its single most famous leak “Collateral Murder.” Not when its founder, Julian Assange, said that its trove of reports from the Afghan conflict suggested evidence for thousands of American “war crimes.”

So itÂ’s more than a little ironic that, with its newest document dump from the Iraq campaign, WikiLeaks may have just bolstered one of the Bush administrationÂ’s most controversial claims about the Iraq war: that Iran supplied many of the Iraq insurgencyÂ’s deadliest weapons and worked hand-in-glove with some of its most lethal militias.

The documents indicate that Iran was a major combatant in the Iraq war, as its elite Quds Force trained Iraqi Shiite insurgents and imported deadly weapons like the shape-charged Explosively Formed Projectile bombs into Iraq for use against civilians, Sunni militants and U.S. troops.

A report from 2006 claims “neuroparalytic” chemical weapons from Iran were smuggled into Iraq. (It’s one of many, many documents recounting WMD efforts in Iraq.) Others indicate that Iran flooded Iraq with guns and rockets, including the Misagh-1 surface-to-air missile, .50 caliber rifles, rockets and much more.

102 I have come bringing GREAT news! 7-eleven is selling Slurpee Super Big Gulp cups promoting SummerSlam and featuring WWE Superstars! Mine has the mega hot “WWE Diva Eve!” I will definitely be getting a refill on November 2 on my way to the voting both! Pick yours up today! Is it wrong to be so excited about this?

Hell yeah!  Be the wave!

103 You can fool some of the people all of the time.

104
Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "A good compromise, a good piece of legislation, is like a good sentence; or a good piece of music. Everybody can recognize it. They say, 'Huh. It works. It makes sense.'

105 O/T:  I've been looking for this clip.  CNN removed it...here it is.  With Vegas unemployment hitting 15% (per drudge yesterday) I don't know why Sharon Angle hasn't made a commercial out of this.

106 re: "The article is full of Wired Magazine's left wing snark" Wired used to be wonderfully apolitical, and have really insightful articles on a whole spectrum of topics. When they put a close-up of AlGore on the cover, they jumped the shark, and simply cannot publish anything without a severe SF leftist tilt to it. So F em, let them die with the rest of the MFM while the blogs continue to do all the heavy lifting.

107
Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war."

108

"But besides freeing the slaves and preserving the union (two wonderful things) I see no reason to take his advice on other aspects of government."

 

Well, besides that.  Homeslice, did you happen to notice that the Lincoln 'quote' Obama used was wrong?  His real quote is very sensible.

You should try getting info about Lincoln from some source other than leftist liars and neo-confederate axegrinders.

109 What? Socialist cockholsters lie and distort history to push their agenda?
My heart, my heart.

110 Wesley: You're a fucking retard.

111 You know when he says he is quoting lincoln, it's not the quote that is taht important, it's the idea of lincoln.   The unedcuated independents and republicans who don't pay attention will say "how bad can the guy be, he's quoting lincolm"......those are the folks he's aiming for, the ones who want to "prove" he's not totally left wing and they'll do it by saying "he quotes lincoln, he's a big lincoln guy"

112 Whenever a liberal opens his or her piehole, no matter what they say, all I hear is "Keep handing over those tax dollars to fund our cushy jobs and retirement plans".

Fortunately, they never say anything of substance, so it's not like I'm missing anything. I'd rather read the output of a million monkeys typing on a million typewriters than one Obama speech transcript. 99% of the monkey typing will make more sense than this guy, anyway.

113

Or:

 

The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities.  In all that people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.

114

I will do for you what you what you refuse to do for yourself.  Yes, things like:

1.  No more cheese burgers for you

2.  No more alcohol or tobacco products

3.  No more driving around town for fun, I will cause gas prices to be on the average  of $5.00 - $10.00 dollars a gallon

4.  And most importantly, no more criticizing me or my administration.  You will be re-trained at one of my Obama-Camps. 

Yes, I will do things that are best for you.  I know better than you.  Now get on your fucking knees and thank me you ignorant pricks.

115 Slurpee idea sounds great.  How 'bout we get our pictures taken holding Slurpee cups as we wait in line or mill about the front of the voting station.  Could also hold up a pudding cup.  Then send the pics to Ace to post throughout the day.  If you disagree, you can all just polish me!

116

I guess this explains "I won't have to pay for my gas or mortage anymore!"  Abraham Lincoln said the government should do it!

117 So if I can do it better, government will get the fuck off my back?

There do seem to be a lot of people who are too stupid to stay alive/keep their children alive without government intervention. Do I sound too much like Bill Ayers or John Holdren if think maybe this isn't the best way to run a society--crippling the productive, innovative, and sensible to prop up the low end of the bell curve?

118 Stupid sock--118 is me.

119 And there's a Speedway on my walking route to City Hall; don't know if they have Slurpees or Icees or their own brand, but a frozen thingy full of high-fructose corn syrup should make me extra punchy while I dance home. :-D

120 Barry was actually quoting Linc from The Mod Squad. Right on

121 3 Here's an idea, semi OT:  Everybody take a Slurpee with them to the polls on Nov. 2nd!  A modest suggestion to upgrade the "Be The Wave" video: have the sea of red be the result of a ginormous red cherry slurpee tipping over ...

122 my rule of thumb proven again! Whenever a lefty attributes a quote to a conservative (or republican president), they are lying. Link, audio, or printout or it didn't happen.

123 Four score and seven strokes ago, my mad skills brought on this golf course, a new record, conceived at leisure and dedicated to the proposition that all vacations are not evil. Now I am engaged in a great public struggle, testing whether my vacation or any vacation so conceived and so dedicated can extend longer. I am teeing off on yet another course of my choosing. I have come to dedicate a portion of my time as a final resting-place for the idea that I got elected to waste my brilliance on a nation of takers who will not give. It is altogether fitting and proper that I should do this: after all, I won. But in a larger sense, I cannot obfuscate, I cannot concentrate, I cannot sound at all profound. My advance men, Marxist and red who smuggled me here have conflated matters far above my pay grade to adjust or correct. The world had better note and long remember what I say, period, so it will never forget what I've done while here. It is for you the admiring rather to be dedicated here to finish my work which I who got here have thus far so nobly avoided. It is rather for me to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before me--that from these uneven roughs and fast greens I take increased devotion to that cause for which I will give my last full measure of devotion--attaining a ten handicap--that I here highly resolve that these divots shall not have been dug in vain, that this nation under God shall have a new cause for rejoicing, and that governing over the people, despite the people, in defiance of the people shall neither deflect nor impede me, the greatest leader on this earth."

124 It's interesting when you hear a foreigner recite quotes rooted in American history.

And yes, I do mean that the "president" is a cultural and intellectual "foreigner."

125

Hey, anyone remember when John Kerry claimed Thomas Jefferson said that "Dissent is the highest form or patriotism"?

Par for the course for these yayhoos.

126
Charlie Gibson,  you are so correct sir.  It's far easier to pump out welfare babies, smoke crack, and deal a little ganja to make ends meet, especially when the monies made from my government job is so small. 

You ask about my government job?  I'm a professional welfare recipient who works hard at her job. On occasion,  if I've spent most of my money on dope, I just do a little flat-backing for extra credit. 

My kids now eat all three meal a day at school, and on the weekends, I send them to the local church for free food. Also, the church ladies come around every few weeks to see if we need anything.  I always have my list ready, and they buy all the stuff for me free.  On my list now is about ten bags of candy for Halloween,  and a few slabs of pork ribs for my end of summer barbecue. 

Well, I gotta go now and take a nap, 'cause life is hard!

127

 "government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves."

This message brought to you by Obama's Stash.

When you need your rent paid, food in your refridgerator and gas in your car, you can always depend on Obama's Stash. Spreadin' the wealth since 2009. Obama's Stash. Ask for it by name. .

128 As I understand the Lincoln quote, he meant: (1) If individuals can't satisfy some need of theirs at all, then it's the government's job; and (2) If individuals can't satisfy some need of theirs AS WELL AS the government can, then it's the government's job. AliBama's remark most closely resembles (2) above. He mistakenly leaves out Lincoln's limiting it to needs, and so mistakenly, I think, attributes to Lincoln the view that it is the government's job to do everything and anything it can do better than any individual can. But even limiting it to needs, it seems that Lincoln is advocating a much larger role for government than the minimal state types would accept. How much of our lives does that cover? How many of our needs can government satisfy better than individuals can? Common defense? Law enforcement? (Think Hobbes) What else? We know what AliBama thinks. He thinks there's nothing he can't do better than any of us: health care, education, business, housing, lunch, and thinking---because you bitter clingers and fraidy cats can't think straight, so he'll have to do it for you. Be the wave.

129

Even though Obama does for this country what Lucille Ball does for assembly lines, I have to point out that Mark Knoller's tweet is WRONG...

Obama did NOT say "that government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves."

Here's Obama's EXACT quote...

"We believe that government has to be lean and efficient, but in the words of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, who, by the way, would have difficulty winning the Republican nomination today, we also believe that government should do for the people what the people cannot do better individually for themselves."

That "individually" is VERY important...Even the most conservative can agree that there ARE things in which the government can do better than individuals. (Defense anyone?)

So if we were to ask "What can the government do that individuals can't?", conservatives could come up with about three things and Obama and the Left would come up with abut three thousand...Because the Left sucks...

But that's not the issue...

The issue is whether or not Obama included individuals instead of making a general statement against them...And he DID include it...

Mark Knoller's tweet did not...False information...

cnredd

Political Wrinkles

http://politicalwrinkles.com

130 ... in the words of the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln, who, by the way, would have difficulty winning the Republican nomination today ... Ah-yup. Substandard optics and insufficient TelePrompTer reading skills ... but the quality of his thinking and firmness of his character - things that really matter - aren't conveyedby those communication channels, are they? He's the complete antithesis of you, sir, which is why he is still revered nearly 150 years after his death, while you will continue to be reviled more and more as time passes.

131

Lincoln is clearly talking about what we, today, would call public or joint goods, which individual action simply cannot effectively provide due to problems such as free riders or very high costs of coordination.

There is simply no way to interpret that Lincoln quote to mean that govt should provide things individuals can provide for themselves, even if govt might in theory be a bit more efficient.

Captain Bullshit strikes (yet) again.  I remember back in the 2008 campaign, Ace said Obama got some of his stuff from the Department of Making Shit Up.  He still does, maybe now there's a czar for that??

132 “The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done,..." Note that Lincoln said "need to have done". Stress on "need". But the way the current prez phrased it, he would have the government do nearly anything it wanted to be done. Regardless, Lincoln, I hope, would have limited the "needed" action to Constitutional action.

133

Well, most people probably can't fight a war, so Lincoln (if in fact he said it) was right about that.

And of course most people can't legally loot their neighbor. For example if I can't afford good health  care, I can't mug my neighbors to force them to pay for it. But government can! Lincoln would be SO proud of OBamaCare!

 

 

 

 

134 More Lincoln: "That is their argument, and this argument of the Judge [Douglas] is the same old serpent that says you work and I eat, you toil and I will enjoy the fruits of it."

135 Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "I got a fever, and the only prescription is... more boob belt"

136 As I understand the Lincoln quote, he meant: (1) If individuals can't satisfy some need of theirs at all, then it's the government's job; and (2) If individuals can't satisfy some need of theirs AS WELL AS the government can, then it's the government's job.

Posted by: nick at October 23, 2010 02:11 PM (pb/Tc)

You have to remember the context here. Lincoln was, at the time of this message, a Whig. The Whig party was the party wanting internal improvements, in oppositon to the Democrats, who didn't. This has nothing to do with any right of big government to tell him how to split rails. Its his (and a lot of people on the frontier) desire to have a frickin' road built or a canal built so that they could sell their goods more than a mile from home.

 

137 "Obama quoted Abraham Lincoln again yesterday "that government should do for the people what they cannot do better for themselves."

Well, there's some truth to this.  Face it, the government does a much better job at pillaging the Treasury.

138 I had thought we'd end up on election night with a flaming skull in the pudding cup but also a flaming skull in a slurpee cup.....

so then you'd just have to decide if the house or the senate gets the pudding cup?

139 I must disagree about Mark Knoller. I was following him for a long time and even complimented him directly for his even-handed reporting on a controversial topic.

Then he decided to refer to Tea Partiers as "teabaggers."

140 "There do seem to be a lot of people who are too stupid to stay alive/keep their children alive without government intervention. Do I sound too much like Bill Ayers or John Holdren if think maybe this isn't the best way to run a society--crippling the productive, innovative, and sensible to prop up the low end of the bell curve?"

Lincoln was pretty big on what happened to you being your own damn fault once outside obstacles were removed.  He didn't get along well with his dad and his stepbrother because they were shiftless fuck-ups.

141

Jesus - the actual quote by Lincoln is a mess.

Note sure I like what he was saying, though. All the government has to do is decide 'we can do <insert whatever< better than the people', and, voila, they can do ANYTHING.

No, Abe, the American Federal Government's job was very clearly and specifically laid out by our Constitution. Even if government COULD do something better, it can only do it when it has been granted the power to do so.

142

Meanwhile,  remind me.

Exactly who was it the drove the car into the ditch?

143 Ed Hardy Ed Hardy Womens Jeans Ed Hardy Womens T-Shirts Ed Hardy Bags

144

I've got an Abe Lincoln quote for you

 

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."  ~ Abe Licoln

I guess that goes right along with Obamas "blacks are a mongrel race" quote.