1 The following phrase was tailored made for this situation: " You ain't seen nothing Yet"!

2

Still trying to figure out how "waivers" work under the "equal protection" clause.

But then with Obama care having exemptions for certain religions, I can't see how it flys under either equal protection, or Sep of Church State either.... but ACLU? Crickets... they are too busy worrying about a Christian Flag flying over a cemetary...

3 As Obama administration officials put into place the first major wave of changes under the health care legislation, they have tried to defuse stiffening resistance — from companies like McDonald’s and some insurers — by granting dozens of waivers to maintain even minimal coverage far below the new law’s standards.

Good grief!  They aren't resisting the legislation!  They are reacting rationally to the legislation!  And it's having some very bad consequences.

4
“I think this pressure just increases until we get to 2014,” he said, referring to the year that the law will fully go into effect.

...and then the costs kick in!!

5 Why isn't the "How Union Thugs will steal the election" story a main story here at AoS?

6

America has been in need of a spoils system

7 If you like your coverage, you can keep itÂ…if we deign to give you a waiver.

And if you can afford the increase in premium that we promised you would never happen if we passed the legislation we're exempting your employer from.  It's like Obama-Pelosi-Reid didn't do anything, only worse!

8 I wonder what groups will be looked upon favorably by this gangster administration and which will be told to go to hell.

There will probably be some positive correlation between contributions to Dem and "progressive" causes and probability of getting one of these waivers.

9 Ooops.  I see my point was covered in the rest of the post.

10 The entire bill was a lie that we all saw thru, this was all predicted. OBAMA EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF ON YOUTUBE, HE WANTED TO DESTROY EMPLOYER PROVIDED HEALTHCARE. My HC is going up 13% cause of this faggot, no waiver for me. This bill was designed to do this shit.

11 Pure Cloward-Piven.

12 ¡VIVA LA REVOLUCÍON!

13

 

Wait until the 1099-K bomb hits businesses. Specifically small businesses who can't afford to hire a $40,000.00/year worker just to work on 1099 forms and be nothing more than a cost center.

 

It's going to be insane. I think the republicans will get rid of it if they win both houses, but if they don't, get ready to see a boatload of small business bankruptcies or simply decididing it isn't worth it and folding up shop.

14 To date, the administration has given about 30 insurers, employers and union plans, responsible for covering about one million people

McDonald's only got the waiver as cover for the Union Plans they needed to placate.

15

The entire bill was a lie that we all saw thru, this was all predicted.

OBAMA EVEN SAID SO HIMSELF ON YOUTUBE, HE WANTED TO DESTROY EMPLOYER PROVIDED HEALTHCARE.

My HC is going up 13% cause of this faggot, no waiver for me. This bill was designed to do this shit.

my company applied for a rate increase, three months after i finally got insurance.

I can only imagine every american is getting a rate increase.

16

Exemptions only last a year.  Then what?  There isn't an election in 2011. 

So we have a health care system that's "broken" and the only way to cover everyone with "affordable quality" health insurance, we need to enact Obamacare.  But in order for people to have coverage they have to be exempted from Obamacare.  The dumbass Republicans should be beating this point to death.

17 But, racism!

18
And so it starts to unravel.

I'm sure every other corporate CEO in America will see this news and say,  "Hmm.  Wish we'd gotten in on that waiver deal.  Sugar,  get me legal on the horn.  Pronto!"

Death of a thousand cuts - Begin!

19 Can't help but think the squishier Rs will think to themselves: "we'll be handing out the waivers soon enough, so no harm, no foul".  It quite literally can't be overstated how damaging Obamacare is, and will be, to the United States. 

20

On the 1099 issue.

These are multiple page PAPER forms... which means someone in the IRS will have to input the data, into a useable database...

That got to be 10's of thousands of jobs... and the cost of the infrastructure...

Then there must be some form of enforcment arm.

Then there must be some group to check validity, and fix errors.

And of course, my bet? Unionized Jobs?

21

Still trying to figure out how "waivers" work under the "equal protection" clause.

But then with Obama care having exemptions for certain religions, I can't see how it flys under either equal protection, or Sep of Church State either.... but ACLU? Crickets... they are too busy worrying about a Christian Flag flying over a cemetary...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 07, 2010 12:32 PM (AdK6a)

Well everyone could get a waiver, so its equal for all. Of course, if you are powerful, or give money to the Dems, or are close friends of Obama, its just a coincidence that you get your waiver and certain others don't.

22 Repeal! Just jam it up their asses. Shove it down their throats, Garrot their sorry asses with it. Beat them to a pulp with it.Zerocare has got to go.

23 So a waiver process exists within the bill - does that mean if we can't repeal it (filibusters and vetos) - the President Palin can just issue a universal waiver?

24

We don't have to comply.  Take that, wingnuts!

Oh yeah, buy Happy Meals . . .

25 You all should be thanking me for seeing your premiums decrease by -20%.

/A double-negative, heh.

26
Meanwhile,  back at The Obama White House...

"Say,  We should just give these waivers away!  How much you think these waivers are worth?  Sugar,  get Rahm on the horn.  Pronto!"

27

Exemptions only last a year.  Then what?  There isn't an election in 2011. 

Posted by: runningrn at October 07, 2010 12:39 PM (8GYOu)

The exempt-ees need to pony up more protection money, that's what. Or favors.

28

O/T but here's some good news from The Orlando Sentinnel:

Rubio has pushed his lead to 15 percentage points, attracting 42 percent of voters, compared to 27 percent for Crist, who's running as an independent, and 21 percent for Meek, the poll showed. Ten percent of voters remain undecided.

29 If you like your health coverage, you can keep it . . . unless you're one of the little people.  Thanks 52%ers!  Now bend over.

30 If we end up with nationalized health care wealthy and upper-middle class Americans will be shopping for cash on the barrelhead offshore medical care throughout the entire world.

31

I can only imagine every american is getting a rate increase.

Yep.  Ours just did.  We use a broker that sells every kind of plan from everyone imaginable and he said every plan he sells is going up because of this bullshit law. 

32
Meanwhile,  back at The Obama White House...

"Say,  We shouldn't just give these waivers away!  How much you think these waivers are worth?  Sugar,  get Rahm on the horn.  Pronto!"

(Fixed my typo)

33 Anyone have a good link on the 1099K issue?

34

I think there's a reason why The Vapid One™ likes to pick winners and losers and it has to do with his childhood.

http://tinyurl.com/2afprjf

Of course, anyone who seeks power over someone else will try to do this, but this is more specific since we know just a bit more about the way he was "raised".

35 Good to know that the world was going to come to and end if we didn't pass this BS bill and enforce it upon everyone.

36 apropos to nothing: Calling something "crony capitalism" is disingenuous misdirection at best.Better to call it what it is: Incipient Fascism.

37

These are multiple page PAPER forms... which means someone in the IRS will have to input the data, into a useable database...

That got to be 10's of thousands of jobs... and the cost of the infrastructure...

Then there must be some form of enforcment arm.

Then there must be some group to check validity, and fix errors.

And of course, my bet? Unionized Jobs?

 

Funny that!  Did you know that the NHS in UK is the third largest employer in the world (after the Chinese Red Army and some railroad system in India).  So Obama is forcing companies/insurance companies to have 80% of the premium costs go to the actual providing of healthcare.  When the Gubamint takes over, they certainly won't have that same onerous standard--got to pay all those paper pushers, regulators and enforcers.  I hate these hypocritical asshats.

38 crony Obammunism

39 We have to pass the bill so you know how we bend you over the sink.

40

@22  Garrot their sorry asses

You are doing it wrong.

41 Unfortunately, the Democrats will be able to use the waivers to their advantage. Everyone makes exceptions sometimes, after all. For example, nobody likes it when someone cuts in line -- but just this morning I let a little old lady with her granddaughter go ahead of me in the supermarket. Who doesn't love seniors and little girls? Nobody will cut in front of me on the line to the poll booth this November because I won't be standing in it.

42 Obamacare was written by a bunch of leftards and community organizers that never had to earn a dime to meet their orgs payroll.

The fact that it fails so spectacularly when introduced to reality is no surprise.

43

Still trying to figure out how "waivers" work under the "equal protection" clause.

Exactly - I can hear it now: "Would your company like to donate 5 or 10 million to the DNC to be on our sweet, sweet waivers list?  I would strongly recommend the 10 million."

44

 If we end up with nationalized health care wealthy and upper-middle class Americans will be shopping for cash on the barrelhead offshore medical care throughout the entire world.

 

Costa Rica and India are ramping up for "medical tourism" even as we speak.

45 Pay for play sweetie - I told you I would give you change.

Now, watch this drive...

46 @ Dang,

The CEO isn't going to call legal, he is going to call a DC lobbyist (well maybe Legal knows the lobbyist) or his senator. This is how the democrats are going to  make money on this. Acme Inc. wants a waiver, you gotta hire the right lobbyist who will grease the right palms. It's about $$ for the democrats.

47

Leftard ideology is driven by the two prongedreasoning of jealousy and stupidity.

Liberal methodology: Half the neighborhood has milk to drink, unfortunately, the other half only has  water to drink.

Solution: piss in the milk, then divide it evenly to obtain "social justice".

48

The fact that it fails so spectacularly when introduced to reality is no surprise.

 

Obama and the Democrats are incredibly venal.  Obamacare is going exactly as planned.  The only surprise is they didn't expect to see anything negative kick in just yet--remember they live in a static world not based in reality.  So that's been a little jolt.  So now they're scrambling to shore up the house of cards that they built.  I don't see this ending well for America.

49 Don't you get it? Your health care costs will go to zero when your insurance company stops offering coverage. You pay nothing!

You whiny clinger biotches would complain if you were hanged with a new rope!

50 I welcome the coming economic apocalypse.

51 If you wanna see some fucked up lies go on youtube and watch this fuck say not only will premiums go DOWN, but that businesses will have less expenses and be able to give you a raise. And the dumb fucks in the crowd cheer. Its the vid where he says premiums will go down 3000 %.

52

On the 1099 issue.

These are multiple page PAPER forms... which means someone in the IRS will have to input the data, into a useable database...

That got to be 10's of thousands of jobs... and the cost of the infrastructure...

Then there must be some form of enforcment arm.

Then there must be some group to check validity, and fix errors.

And of course, my bet? Unionized Jobs?

Or we will see more and more small businesses going the Greece route with more and more cash only jobs and just enough reporting to keep the auditors off your scent. Oh, and lots and lots of bribes to government officials.

Tax collection only works when it's easier and cheaper to comply.

53 If you like your lot in life, just wait.

54 I'd just like to know why, if Obamacare was supposed to be such a great thing, is everybody so willing to sell their mother to get out of it?

55 So, are there any good countries to move to?

56 So what happens when a new administration appoints a new head of HHS?
Leftists ASSUME they will be in charge forever and ever. They never think ahead. Will these waivers be recinded and others granted based upon politics?
Doesn't this make the entire program illegal and the current cases dead wins?

57 apropos to nothing: Calling something "crony capitalism" is disingenuous misdirection at best.Better to call it what it is: Incipient Fascism.

Posted by: jwpaine at October 07, 2010 12:44 PM (g4J4S)

I would suggest calling it corporatism. This is the same economic model the national socialists in Europe adopted before WWII.

58

If you wanna see some fucked up lies go on youtube and watch this fuck say not only will premiums go DOWN, but that businesses will have less expenses and be able to give you a raise. And the dumb fucks in the crowd cheer. Its the vid where he says premiums will go down 3000 %.

 

I think it was The Governor's Association ad that juxtaposed that clip with the one where Obama says "We never said that you could cover more people and it would cost less money." 

59 Anything else I can explain for you?

I didn't think so.

Biotches.

60 #44 Costa Rica and India are ramping up for "medical tourism" even as we speak.

Which would be fine, except these medical tourists are a new reservoir for all kinds of exciting microbes to spread across the globe:

New Superbugs Spreading From India


An international team of scientists have found a superbug that is resistant to almost all antibiotics and are warning that it is widespread in India and could soon appear worldwide. The superbug has been diagnosed in 37 people so far who came back to the UK after having the surgery in India or Pakistan. This superbug is so closely connected to the Indian subcontinent that it has been called New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase-1 (NDM-1). Scientists say there are actually no drugs to treat it.

61 Your health care costs will go to zero when your insurance company stops offering coverage. You pay nothing!

Can we add the hundreds of thousands of people who used to work for dead insurance companies to the list of people Barry has personally put out of work?

62 I'd just like to know why, if Obamacare was supposed to be such a great thing, is everybody so willing to sell their mother to get out of it?

Posted by: Nighthawk at October 07, 2010 12:51 PM (02uN6)

Uh, it is great. For the little people.

Now, where is my waygu? I've been waiting like 5 minutes here people.

63 I heard the IRS supported the change re: 1099 reporting requirement on $600 or more received - they don't have enough staff to handle it and it would be prohibitively expensive for them to hire the amount of people to do so.  Does anyone know if Congress changed it?

64 Your health care costs will go to zero when your insurance company stops offering coverage. You pay nothing!

3,000% sweetie!

65

I'd just like to know why, if Obamacare was supposed to be such a great thing, is everybody so willing to sell their mother to get out of it?

 

And why only like 3 Democrats up for re-election are even mentioning it postively in their ads--the majority of Dems are running away from it and touting their vote against it.

66 Is anyone selling a medical tourism catastrophic policy yet - that includes flight costs to Costa Rica. I wonder how the math works out on that - a secondary policy for everything above the snivels, shots, and checkups, with a rider for flight and then comprehensive coverage overseas.

67

I heard the IRS supported the change re: 1099 reporting requirement on $600 or more received - they don't have enough staff to handle it and it would be prohibitively expensive for them to hire the amount of people to do so.  Does anyone know if Congress changed it?

 

Ha! Ha! Ha!  Congress fix something that they broke?  That's too funny!

68 Don't you get it? Your health care costs will go to zero when your insurance company stops offering coverage. You pay nothing!

Best thing that could happen to us.  We could go back to treating health services as something to be provided for money instead of a right to be supplied by society.  Markets, and shit like that.

69 yeah, it's fascism. You're either with the party or working for it, or you're subservient to it.

70 We could go back to treating health services as something to be provided for money instead of a right to be supplied by society.


Yeah, good luck with that.

71 First fix for healthcare - balance out the taxable status of health insurance between individual and corporate returns.

72

Can we add the hundreds of thousands of people who used to work for dead insurance companies to the list of people Barry has personally put out of work?

 

Suck it sistah!  I won!  Big Insurance was an evil that needed to be taken out.  All those greedy, money grubbing criminals stealing from minorities and women.  The world's a better place without those jackals.

73

Solution: piss in the milk, then divide it evenly to obtain "social justice".

Then kill the cow.

74 66 Is anyone selling a medical tourism catastrophic policy yet... Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2010 12:54 PM (LpqRt) Or, better yet, Costa Rican hospital/clinic "timeshares"- with pharmacy points instead of housekeeping points. I think I smell a business opportunity here...

75 Off topic, but looking at the last batch of RCP House Ratings, out of 11 10 moved in a Rep direction. The one outlier has VA5 moving from Likely Reo to Leaning Rep, but we now have tossup in HI1 for goodness sake. Even Hawaii is getting in on the red wave...

76 they don't have enough staff to handle it and it would be prohibitively expensive for them to hire the amount of people to do so. Does anyone know if Congress changed it?
Posted by: Penfold

The vote to remove the requirement failed.

No agency would ever refuse an expansion of their bureaucratic empire. Parkinson's Law plus the nature of bureaucracy equals an imperative for non-stop growth.

77 The words "trojan horse" come to mind.  Inside is single-payer.

78 I would suggest calling it corporatism. This is the same economic model the national socialists in Europe adopted before WWII.

I considered it, but "corporatism", while a popular name for it, does not describe what actually happens. Any governmental involvement in the business world is socialist in nature, and is anti-business and anti-corporation in nature. Also, note that I said incipient fascism; I believe that to be a more honest term for what "crony capitalism"/corporatism attempts to describe.

79 I suspect the stiffening resistance line may have been used a time or two before in 18th century France and early 20th century Russia.

80

Ha! Ha! Ha!  Congress fix something that they broke?  That's too funny!

Posted by: runningrn at October 07, 2010 12:55 PM (8GYOu)

Hey, we'll get on it right after we pass a budget. Well, if we pass a budget.

81

An international team of scientists have found a superbug that is resistant to almost all antibiotics and are warning that it is widespread in India and could soon appear worldwide. The superbug has been diagnosed in 37 people so far who came back to the UK after having the surgery in India or Pakistan. This superbug is so closely connected to the Indian subcontinent that it has been called New Delhi metallo-beta-lactamase-1 (NDM-1). Scientists say there are actually no drugs to treat it.

 

I would have to be pretty darn desparate to go have surgery in a third world country.  One of my former co-workers was going to go have gender reassignment surgery in Thailand.  I was like "Dude!  Why would you go there to have something like that or any surgery for that matter done?"  His answer was that it's a lot cheaper there.  I told him if he gets some funky infection, it may be a lot more costly and not just in money. 

82
Wonder what factors Sebelius is using to decide whether and how to exercise her discretion to grant a waiver or not?  

The mind races ... whether the employer is located in a particularly contested Congressional District? The political donations  of the executives? 

Follow the denied waiver requests.  THAT is where the story will be.

83 Is anyone selling a medical tourism catastrophic policy yet - that includes flight costs to Costa Rica. I wonder how the math works out on that - a secondary policy for everything above the snivels, shots, and checkups, with a rider for flight and then comprehensive coverage overseas.

Guy I know is a heart surgeon.  He and his wife were on vacation in Mexico when she got chest pains.  They went to the local hospital and determined she needed a bypass pretty quick.  So the mexican doc comes in and says "we'll have her stable to travel by tomorrow".  Heart surgeon says "Why?  This isn't a tough procedure".  "Americans always want to go home for this type of thing".

So he had the doc do it in Mexico.  5 days in the hospital, and he charged the $3500 bill on his Visa.  He estimated that was half what the price would've been AFTER his insurance paid if it had been done here.  Said the treatment was great.

84 #68  Best thing that could happen to us.  We could go back to treating health services as something to be provided for money instead of a right to be supplied by society.  Markets, and shit like that.

Buhahahaha!  This morning, I parked right next to a car with a "Health Care is a Right" and "I can't live without national health insurance" bumperstickers, (car had Ohio tags btw). 

This is the mentality of the people we are up against.  Healthcare is a new "right", paid for by us. 

85

Even Hawaii is getting in on the red wave...

 

Ah, from sea to shining sea--that's what I like to see!

86 I considered it, but "corporatism", while a popular name for it, does not describe what actually happens. Any governmental involvement in the business world is socialist in nature, and is anti-business and anti-corporation in nature.

Yes, I suppose that is true. Your average public school educated person hears "corporatism" and he doesn't think an unholy alliance between the unions, big business, and the government with the latter holding the real power - he thinks corporations running things.

87 McDonalds?  Of all the businesses to be spared, McDonalds?

Driving McDonalds out of business would probably yield a great deal of health care savings al by itself!

88 This morning, I parked right next to a car with a "Health Care is a Right" and "I can't live without national health insurance" bumperstickers, (car had Ohio tags btw).

Franklin or Cuyahoga county plates?

89 Wonder what factors Sebelius is using to decide whether and how to exercise her discretion to grant a waiver or not?  

When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first thing to be bought and sold will be legislators.

90

This is the mentality of the people we are up against.  Healthcare is a new "right", paid for by us.

 

91 Cons, heal thy selfs with gold at $2,350 on Intrade.

92 Sebelius will first look at how much $$ the requestor made to the DNC. Everything else is irrelevant.

93 66 Is anyone selling a medical tourism catastrophic policy yet - that includes flight costs to Costa Rica. I wonder how the math works out on that - a secondary policy for everything above the snivels, shots, and checkups, with a rider for flight and then comprehensive coverage overseas.

Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2010 12:54 PM (LpqRt)

< This is a brilliant idea. Absolutely brilliant and I'm entirely serious here. I would say that it shouldn't necessarily be limited to tourists but could be purchased by U.S. citizens as well.  The policies could be underwritten by off-shore insurers domiciled in Bermuda or there could be captive or pools of off-shore insurance in place. Hmmm. me like this a lot.

94 What's the chance that those waivers get yanked back on Nov 5th?

95

Oops.

To finish, new next door neighbor has a "Healthcare is a moral issue" bumpersticker on her Hyundai SUV. She's a dental hygenist.

96 You rich white people should read a book!

97 Your average public school educated person hears "corporatism" and he doesn't think an unholy alliance between the unions, big business, and the government with the latter holding the real power - he thinks corporations running things.

Exactly. It's all semantics, really, but semantics (and more so, pragmatics) matter.

98 his is a brilliant idea. Absolutely brilliant and I'm entirely serious here. I would say that it shouldn't necessarily be limited to tourists but could be purchased by U.S. citizens as well.  The policies could be underwritten by off-shore insurers domiciled in Bermuda or there could be captive or pools of off-shore insurance in place. Hmmm. me like this a lot.

Purchase oil tanker 20 miles offshore.  Purchase large boat.  Place doctors on tanker, patients on boat.  Some assembly and a credit card machine required

99 I thought healthcare was a medical issue, but I'm not a dental hygenist.

100

Oops.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 07, 2010 01:08 PM (3jxR/)

I was pondering whether to point at you and laugh.  Now I know, but it's too late to do anything about it.

Tease.

101 This is the mentality of the people we are up against.  Healthcare is a new "right", paid for by us.

It is interesting that their is no discussion of the implications of this new right...

Compare it to free speech, for example.

I have the right to say what I want (with a few minimal restrictions). I don't have the "right" to demand resources from others though to give my speech a wider reach. I have to use my own resources or persuade others.

Health Care though is a service. If you have a right to it, you have a right to demand that other people give you things, for free. And the state will imprison them if they refuse. But the people claiming it is a right also seem to recognize it can't be a very broad right. In the words of the president, if your treatment would be expensive you should take some pain pills and die instead.

So this is actually bad on two fronts. This made up right is impigning on the very real rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property. But further, this is introducing the notion that the government can curtail rights merely because it is convient. If Obama can deny you an expensive  treatment even though you have a right to health care because society can't afford it, he can also stop you from saying things that he deems society can't afford to have said.

102 To finish, new next door neighbor has a "Healthcare is a moral issue" bumpersticker on her Hyundai SUV. She's a dental hygenist.

She then is morally obligated to help me with this bit of pork chop I'm having a problem with.

103

Driving McDonalds out of business would probably yield a great deal of health care savings al by itself!

Dude McDonalds was not going to go out of business, they where going to drop all of those covered and give the plan a big fat black eye (racist?) so they gave them the waiver.

But I bet michelle loves the way your thinking!

104 journolist - the term "medical tourist" is just to describe a US citizen who goes overseas for medical care. My intention was that it would be for US (or any countries) citizens. Medical care overseas can be very good, you just have to make sure you are getting the same treatment as the local heavies.

105 You dummy people are dummy people at $23 on Intrade. Because of George W. Bush.

106

I was pondering whether to point at you and laugh.  Now I know, but it's too late to do anything about it.

The sad part is, I haven't even started drinking yet.

But the day is yet young...

107 In the interest of social justice, Obama administration to issue guidelines on when to suspend students from school:
http://tinyurl.com/35bszvh

108

But the day is yet young...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at October 07, 2010 01:13 PM (3jxR/)

Damn shame I'm not.

109 I guess we had to pass the bill in order to find out what we will need to waive in it. Nancy Pelosi FTW

110 Health care is a right it says so right in the declaration of independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights

The only thing is you have to be part of the Cristian Science church to get treatment.

111

1. Obamacare...

2. Waivers...

3. PROFITS!

 

Looks like we finally figured out step 2...

112 105 journolist - the term "medical tourist" is just to describe a US citizen who goes overseas for medical care. My intention was that it would be for US (or any countries) citizens. Medical care overseas can be very good, you just have to make sure you are getting the same treatment as the local heavies.

Posted by: Jean at October 07, 2010 01:12 PM (9e8Ti)

< Got it. This could be a catastrophic indemnity policy with a high deductible. it could be set up as a captive with members who essentially own the captive. Captives are usually set up with homogenous pools of risk, thus, we could even open it up to those 10% of morons who are homogenously inclined.

113

Damn shame I'm not.

I know the feeling. But, on the bright side, when I finally croak, BackwardsGirl can use my liver as a doorstop.

114
Can Obamacare waivers be traded?  You know, like carbon credits?

115

Someone predicted this.  Lets see, who was that now?  Mittens? no

dam, drawing a blank.

116 Waivers. Straight out of the pages of Atlas Shrugged.

117 Can Obamacare waivers be traded?  You know, like carbon credits?

Or tulip bulbs?  Or baby teeth?  Or unicorn eyelashes?

118

Posted by: journolist at October 07, 2010 01:18 PM (O/NP5)

The key to making this work financialy, would be to do it in a place like Cuba, or some small Island that runs its own laws... so you could make it a "at your own risk" type of surgery, getting rid of Malpractice insurance.

With the insurance saving, and lack of overhead, you could probably get really good Doctors to work there.... thus using reputation to overcome the problem of people being scared away by a lack of insurance.

119

Can Obamacare waivers be traded?  You know, like carbon credits?

They can now...

120 ah, we've already gotten to the part where some animals are more equal than others. so we can assume that the unions and government itself will get waivers and special treatment... when do we get to the part where health care becomes simpler and cheaper when the government gets involved?

121

Can Obamacare waivers be traded?  You know, like carbon credits?

It's our comeback, baby! Tanned, rested, and ready!

122 are waivers even legal in the text of the bill? People who don't get waivers should be suing.

123 Nudge, nudge. Whoops! A bit too far there. OK, Kathleen. Make a temporary carveout for a few companies with high public exposure so that a universal revolt doesn't get any momentum. Then we'll hike the regulations right back up again while everyone else gets used to the idea of getting borked in the splitzenass.

Mission accomplished. Recommence the nudging.

124 Waivers will be passed out until the November election.

They don't want voters to lose their healthcare before the election, as they may blame Democrats for it.

125

OT - Night Two of CNN's Spitz & Hound ratings are in.  They got just about the same number of Total Viewers as Shep Smith @ 7pm.

Wait, did I say same number of Total Viewers?  Silly me.

They got roughly the same number of Total Viewers as Shep Smith gets of the 25-54 Demographic.  My bad.

05 October 2010 8:00pm Cable News Ratings, Age 25-54 Demo:
O'Reilly - 896K
Olbermann - 366K
Nancy Grage - 189K
Parker/Spitzer - 125K

05 October 2010 8:00pm Cable News Ratings, Total Viewers:
O'Reilly - 3,549K
Olbermann - 1,179K
Nancy Grage - 639K
Parker/Spitzer - 513K

By the way, Sheppie got 531K of the Demo and just over 2M total viewers.

Glenn Beck got 533K of the Demo and 2.217M total.  There are a LOT OF DVR's that start whirring at 5ET / 2 PT...

126 Freakin' money-laundering climate-exchange sockpuppet...  CCX, mine.

127 "Eventually, the out of control costs, the shrinking number of players in the private insurance market and the increase in people without coverage would lead to calls for nationalized health care."

You say that like it's a problem, not a feature. This is what the bastards wanted all along, to turn the health care system into fucking wreckage so they could remake it in their own image.

128

Missing from the NYT article:

The biggest single waiver, for 351,000 people, was for the United Federation of Teachers Welfare Fund, a New York union providing coverage for city teachers.

Gee, I wonder why this was neglected?

129 If it's so damn good why the heck are there waivers....??!!?? [/rhetorical question] <--- for those in Rio Linda

130 Papal indulgences, anyone?  Step right up!  Friends of Obama (show your pass) on the left and everyone else on the right.

131 The Chicago way taken nationwide

132

Karl Marx also said that there would be a period of unrest as countries move from a capitalist to a communist economy.

Oi.

133 FOUR!

134 THANKS FOR POSTING THIS!  I love your blog!!

Steve
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