1 I don't think they'll be able to vote this week, so letters work.  Handwritten are best.

2 Hey, John ryan Noah Sarah Andy Rand Yemeni etc:

That Intrade price for Obamanationcare you were touting? Dropped 35 points in one day:

Wheeeeeeeeee!

Time to double up!

3 @2  More good news.  Don't worry, the eeyores will arrive shortly.

4 According to this story, you can add four Texas Dem Reps to the list of the potentially persuadable: Sylvester Reyes, Henry Cuellar, Solomon Ortiz and Ciro Rodriguez.  The best bet in that group is probably Rodriguez.  Rumors outside that story also put Gene Green (Houston) and Lloyd Doggett (Austin) in play.

5 Important Action Alert!

6 About to start calling these fucktards in Congress.

7 More good news.  Don't worry, the eeyores will arrive shortly.

I hate to be the eeyore for once...but the price bounced way back up to $65 this morning.  The chart doesn't show it yet, though. 

8 My mom lives in Allen Boyd's district.  They have had some huge Tea Party rallies there, and some big town halls where Boyd got hammered by angry constituents.  The Senate bill includes the Bill Nelson Florida "Gator-Aid" but it does NOT apply to seniors who live in Boyd's district, only to the three Democratic counties in South Florida.  And I don't think this can be fixed in reconciliation.  Boyd is going to get slaughtered in November if he votes for this.  There will be a scene like the one where all the old people assaulted Dan Rostenkowksi back in the late 80s.

9

I was wondering with the Dem women being called for a Pelosi party,

 if

she is asking them to back off  pro-abortion, single payer  demands, and  write to all their nutroots to back down on demands and advocate for the greatest (almost we promise to slide in single payer, and abortion somewhere soon)

so all the hold outs will vote yes.

isn't that what Kucinich was demanding (single payer) and he buckled? yes he might have gotten a file of his/or wifes lives  to be exposed or money for something but, what if it is the promise of single payer?

10 Hill contacts telling me  Glenn Nye is a key swing vote.  He's not in the Stupak 12.  He's a freshman congressman that is highly reluctant to follow Pelosi off the cliff.  I'm told he's reached out to GOP House members for guidance on what is in the Senate Bill.

Nye voted against the bill in November.  But he's faced constant pressure from his caucus ever since.

11 Have had at least 15 call to Lincoln Davis offices over the past few months - every office has said he is voting no and that he is not scared of Pelosi. Of course, the not scared of Pelosi part came only after I asked if he was scared of her. Here are his local offices - call them: Columbia Office 1804 Carmack Blvd. Suite A Columbia, TN 38401 Phone: 931.490.8699 Fax: 931.490.8675 McMinnville Office 477 North Chancery St. Suite A-1 McMinnville, TN 37110 Phone: 931.473.7251 Fax: 931.473.7259 Jamestown Office 629 North Main Street Jamestown, TN 38556 Phone: 931.879.2361 Fax: 931.879.2389 Mailing Address: P.O. Box 964 Jamestown, TN 38556 Rockwood Office 1064 North Gateway Ave. Rockwood, TN 37854 Phone: 865.354.3323 Fax: 865.354.3316

12 i really hate to put our hopes on Dems not voting because of abortion on bill, since when have they Fought openly and hard for protection of a fetus's existance, i just don't trust them.

13 Got through to allen boyd. Left a message regarding the cost of the bill, especially to those that are younger/students that don't need insurance. We would be forced to pay a penalty for not purchasing insurance.

14

"...that story also put Gene Green (Houston) "

Thx for the tip.  I've got buds in Houston who I'll email forthwith.

15 What's ahead if Obamacare passes:


Democrats hope that Obamacare will become more popular once it is enacted and the debate dies down. But the debate will not die down: Republicans have at least two election cycles to go before the legislation goes into effect, and in the interim Democrats will have ownership over every aspect of the health-care system.  Do Democrats really believe that their bill will cause public satisfaction with that system to undergo a large increase?

The Democrats might well succeed in getting this legislation passed on a mixture of will, procedural tricks, and deception. (Obama is still insisting that the legislation does not cut Medicare.) If so, Republicans should call for the repeal of the legislation’s major elements and their replacement by sensible, modest, free-market health-care reforms. And they should challenge those Democrats who balked at Obamacare to do the same. Pelosi’s troops want nothing more than for this war to be over. Conservatives have to make it clear that it will merely have moved on to a new front — and that the Left’s fortifications will be no sturdier.

16

toby,

you and me both, i wake up sweaty every night.

might be onset menopause (heh)

but really i don't know how much more wine i'll be able to ingest before i need a liver replacement/ don't think new  gvt. insurance plan will pay for it.

17 Miss me yet?

18

I live in Altmire's district, the 4th congressional district of pa. His phone number in DC is busy, and his local office isn't picking up the phone and the mailbox is full. 

 

Jay Cost lives in my district as well and wrote an editorial in the local paper asking altmire to vote no

 

Our district is a + something Republican district, but more importantly it is a socially conservative district as well, so this abortion thing isn't going over too well with the people here.

19
If the Republicans, which they're not, they'd be preparing for the passage of this bill.

20
OK - this is unbelievable: (via the corner)

WhenÂ’s the last time we heard the name of Louise Slaughter?  Oh, thatÂ’s right, it was when she was calling for the House to KILL the Senate bill on CNN.

HereÂ’s what Slaughter said in an op-ed:

The Senate health care bill is not worthy of the historic vote that the House took a month ago.

Under the Senate plan, millions of Americans will be forced into private insurance company plans, which will be subsidized by taxpayers. That alternative will do almost nothing to reform health care but will be a windfall for insurance companies. Is it any surprise that stock prices for some of those insurers are up recently?. . .

Supporters of the weak Senate bill say "just pass it — any bill is better than no bill."

I strongly disagree — a conference report is unlikely to sufficiently bridge the gap between these two very different bills.

It's time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board. The American people deserve at least that.

21

i will be the eeyore. This will pass, maybe not this week, but it will pass. Get ready to see congressmen offered administration jobs if they vote for this shit, that way they will still have a government job and won't have to run for re-election.

also i think intrade went back up

22 I'm supposing that Nanny is hauling all the women in to tell them that they are going to have to give up the sacrament of abortion funding to get the bill passed but that she has a "work around". Can't let a baby live if it can die.

23 Kook on now.

24

 I'm supposing that Nanny is hauling all the women in to tell them that they are going to have to give up the sacrament of abortion funding to get the bill passed but that she has a "work around". Can't let a baby live if it can die.

I agree, they've invested to much in this to lose. They are all in. They will do everything they have to do to get it passed. Everything, nothing is sacred, as long as a bill passes that is titled, "healthcare".

25 I go with what I said last night. We just do not know because Democraps are such liars.

26 On planet Remulak, health care is a basic right.

27 What about Boucher out of VA, too? I understood that he was wavering.

28 Did Kookoo just say he lived in 21 different places as a child including Mars?
Or was it cars?

29 Hit Bart Gordon's office. Interestingly, asked for the place from where I was calling from. 

30 Intrade at 65

31

closing price intrade at 35.1 march 17. as far as i can tell from graph. what does volume number 608? number of trades overall or traders period in this period?

32 That's the problem with moonbats: completely unreliable. As I have said, Fuck you, you libtard midget.

33 i'm reading the graph wrong ?

34
Just tell me...

does Kucinich have a "GoldenPalace.com" sign on his back?

35 "I'm against this bill, against everything about this bill, and this bill won't do anything I want...

HOWEVER

36 Kusinich likes to hear himself talk.

37 he is about to say '''yes, yes, a thousand times yes"....

but it is excruciating...lol

38 If you call a rep out of district you can often go to their website, find out where their district is and give yourself a district address. It takes a little work but, hey, if acorn can do it, I can too.

39

The Dims will not be able to hide behind their DemonPiss vote.

Citing an assertion from Rules Committee ranking member David Dreier (Calif.) that "a vote for the rule is a vote for the Senate bill," the group wrote: "We believe it is accurate to state in public communications that the effect of a vote for any rule illustrated in [Dreier's memo] is a vote for the Senate bill and all of its provisions." Put simply: Republicans believe that House Democrats using the "deem and pass" maneuver in no way prohibits GOP candidates and party committees from attacking them for "voting" for the Senate legislation.

40 Anyone watching the presser for dennis the menace?

41 "I've decided to cast a vote in favor".....Kussinich....sheesh....

42 Posted by: dagny at March 17, 2010 10:15 AM (VMaS6)

Once I got through to Bishop's DC office I quickly emailed two friends to also call and I posted on here that they finally picked up in DC.   Sadly, Bishop's people didn't ask my name nor my address.  One of the two friends has a summer home in Bishop's district so I was fully prepared with an address that was legitimate but nope they never asked.  And they never asked my two friends also.

43 Well that presser was pretty pathetic. This bill does nothing I want but I'm voting for it anyways. Oh, and Obama's not a socialist.

44 Got through to allen boyd. Left a message regarding the cost of the bill, especially to those that are younger/students that don't need insurance. We would be forced to pay a penalty for not purchasing insurance.

At this point my "Blue Dog" Democrat turned out to be as poisonous as I figgered, so I'm spending a lot of time leaving messages for her staffers.
 
I'm asking them to explain just how exactly I'm going to be able to afford my currently $150 p/m private Catastrophic Health Insurance premium once every sick, uninsured bastard in this state who needs $5,000 every fucking week for their "pre-existing" condition signs on to my plan.

BTW thanx for the high unemployment and the fact that this bill will actually force employers to fire more workers so that people who used to get their "pre-existing" conditions covered by their  company plan will pile on my already unemployed ass.

FYVM

45

they are so damned dishonest:. liars , jerks and hypocrits.

 

46 Should I start calling these contemptible Congresscritters before or after I start drinking?

47 45 It works for email. Except I'm still getting email from random counties in Kansas and Arizona and I don't know why. Heh

48

NPR this AM referred to the Deem and Pass as an "arcane manuever designed to avoid a direct up-or-down vote".  Worms are turning.

BTW, this late-breaking news was greeted with puzzlement and surprise by a co-worker, but then she proclaimed it okay when the NPR mouthpiece said "Republicans have done it too."  Whew!

When I demurred, she wanted to argue with me, so I said "Look, you just heard about this 20 seconds ago.  I have known about it for weeks, and read the opinions of literally dozens of commentators, judges, lawyers, and even law professors, on both sides of the issue.  Don't you think it is a bit presumptuous of you to assume you just tripped over the ultimate truth, and then decide to straighten me out about it?"

From the look on her face, I guess she doesn't think it is at all, but isn't used to being smacked around with a reality-stick like that, either.  (But she has clearly known the sweet caress of the self-righteous arrogance-stick.)

49 At Hot Air:
46.3% of primary care physicians (family medicine and internal medicine) feel that the passing of health reform will either force them out of medicine or make them want to leave medicine.

Thanks to Romneycare this is already happening here in Massachusetts.

50 Employers aren't going to fire anyone.  They are going to stop giving you insurance as a perk.  period.  They are going to pay the fine as it is cheaper to pay the fine.  And then let you pay your own insurance.  It will be a total mess but the money made by the government will be enormous, at your expense.  Ultimately the free market will kick in but only long enough for the government insurance company to be the cheapest and thus attract everyone.  So, the others, won't be able to operate in that climate and one by one will go out of business.   We will have a shortage of docs since they won't want to work for the meagher amount the government insurance company wants to give them.  It will be a total destruction of health care.

Yesterday read a lot of stuff about how big pharma was donating huge amount of cash to push the bill.  There must be some heck of a perk in there to fatten up their bank accounts.

51 The time for talking is over, really, I'm sick of this shit.

Are you drinking heavily yet?  You should.

This vote whipping will continue for until the Spring Recess.  It starts March 29th.  It ends April 9th.

52 Bad sock!

Damn, Chuck Schumer will do anything to get attention won't he?

Still don't get why people are all warm and fuzzy about forcing insurance companies to cover "pre-existing" conditions.

Back in my days, fresh out of college, I did some insurance sales for a really good company, when they bought another one who's product line included "Guaranteed Issue" life insurance for seniors, I figured I'd rather shoot myself then try to sell that shit.

53 You can also go to congress .org and send emails... I would think that we don't need to put much text in the body of the email. An inbox full of subject lines that read NO TO HEALTHCARE and other variances on that might have an impact.

54

If we take down congress one of the first things we have to do is fix NPR.

I love asking idiots like the NPR chick, why? Where did you hear that? What is their typical agenda? Did you do any research? Which bills did the republicans use it on? Really? Well I can tell you because I can read....etc.

 

55 This congresscritter on Fox is one weasly piece of shit.

56 If you guys are calling, don't just urge to kill the bill.  Kill it and start over.  The members need to hear something positive.  All negative is a turn off.

57

Beck had audio last night of Chuck U. Shumer wanting to change the 2/3 vote rule and then "look" at the Bill of Rights.

 

58

Employers aren't going to fire anyone.  They are going to stop giving you insurance as a perk.  period. 

True dat; my old employer had already started requiring higher and higher employee contributions for less and less coverage. On top of that new hires at the time I retired would not have health coverage as a benefit on retirement. Also, the folks who were still covered (me included) would be forced onto medicare at 65 and off the company insurance.

 

59 I just made contact with Lincoln Davis' office and was told that he is voting NO!!!

60

Mass. Treasurer. ..   Cahill. He told CNBC that such a plan would "wipe out the American economy within four years."  at american spectator

 

61 hooray Joy!

62 ABC News Radio is running an AARP Shitbag saying they are in full support of the HC Bill. To paraphrase, HC good for seniors, Tea Party Bad.

Incredible but, no surprise.

63 ABC News Radio is running an AARP Shitbag saying they are in full support of the HC Bill. To paraphrase, HC good for seniors, Tea Party Bad.

AARP is using Obamacare to drive their competitors out of business. Seniors be damned.

64 heya Ben @19. I'm in Altmire's district too. He's a piece of shit as I'm sure you know.

He keeps running around saying that he's "waiting to see what his district thinks." The funny thing about that is that a) he keeps encouraging liberal groups to call his office to give him some cover on that; b) a survey that just came out this week indicates that over 60% of our district wants to have the bill scrapped entirely while only around 25% actually support passage as-is.

He's a lying sack of shit. Basically, he's one of the Reps that Pelosi allows to vote "moderate" if they don't need him. The fact that he's pretending that there's any kind of conflicted opinion amongst his constituents is the best indication to me that she doesn't have this locked up yet. If she did, she'd let him vote "No."

On the even worse side, his challenger in the next election is going to be Mary Beth Buchanan, who I actually think is an even slimier piece of shit than he is. Dammit, why couldn't Mike Turzai run? He'd be the cat's balls.

65 Employers aren't going to fire anyone.  They are going to stop giving you insurance as a perk.  period.

What about the employers who never offered insurance in the first place?

Is this the Obama administration's solution to under-employment in this economy?

Just fucking eliminate part time jobs?

Will the employers that do offer insurance as a "perk" increase the wages of the workers that they do retain to compensate for the reduction in benefits?

What about employers who have a largely or even partially unionized work force?  Those contracts have been negotiated. Sometimes years in advance.  Guess those companies will have to fire everybody not in the union, huh?

66 Posted by: Barbarian at March 17, 2010 10:31 AM (EL+OC)

You know, when you point out to seniors that this organization isn't really doing anything positive for them.  They tear up their card and send it back.  

67

Reposting this from last night.  I did this letter/email for a conservative friend so that he could send it out to his contacts in their "maybe" district.  Perhaps some of this can be useful to my fellow morons.

Some websites only allow so much text, so feel free to edit/delete/change and forward as appropriate. 

(Dear Congressman,)

I write to encourage you to oppose government-run health care and any legislation which might broaden the federal government's control over my health care.

Current health care legislation will result in lost health insurance and lost jobs for the American people and will push us deeper into recession.

Nobody has ever attempted this level of centralized planning.  The federal government does not have my trust to run a program as big as the economy of France.  I disagree with how this whole thing has been handled, behind closed doors, with favors or outright bribes.  The way this is being done feels wrong, especially this Slaughter shenanigan.  I agree with the WSJ, who said yesterday, this “gambit is a brazen affront to the plain language of the Constitution.”

If this "reform" is truly about "controlling costs," why did the democrats rig the estimate on the first decade of costs by delaying the programÂ’s start by five years?  Why hasnÂ’t tort reform be front and center?  Why hasnÂ’t opening up competition across state lines be part of the proposal? 

The federal government should NOT be funding abortions or health care for illegal immigrants.  No matter what the democrat leadership says about this, I donÂ’t trust them.  And I donÂ’t trust the government to interfere with the doctor/patient relationship. 

Lastly, how the heck are we going to pay for this monstrosity?  The country canÂ’t afford another huge program; you saw how MoodyÂ’s warned yesterday about “preserving debt affordability,” right?  Last week S&P warned our triple A credit rating was at risk.  The only way the U.S. will rise to the financial challenges we face is if we stop spending money we don't have, and that means voting no on this healthcare bill.

I hope that you fight against health care legislation that would drive up costs, diminish quality and limit access. 

It is just not right, especially not in a republic, to cram this down our throats.  ThereÂ’s a reason the congressional switchboard was nearing overload Tuesday – people donÂ’t want this! 

The Washington Post reported Nancy Pelosi suggested Monday that she might attempt to pass the measure without having members vote on it.  Are you kidding me?   So you want to go from passing bills without reading them to passing bills without voting on them?  Are the democrats crazy?

Please listen to us and vote no.

Sincerely,

68 Posted by: Deety at March 17, 2010 10:34 AM (aVzyR)

Do you know how many people I know who are working more than one part time job for cash.  They don't exist in the statistics. 

69 curious: should you really be mention your stable of hookers in a public forum?

70 Tim Cahill is the MA State Treasurer running against Deval Patrick in the Dem Primary for MA Governor.  He's practically running the Scott Brown strategy to flank Patrick.

Patrick fires back saying Cahill wants to take away your health care.

This is how the politics will look on a national level if Obamacare passes.  Even if Obamacare is a huge disasterous boondoggle that wastes money and destroys care, the Democrats will just run on grounds that their opponents want to take away your health care.

It must be stopped.

71 "As a reader points out, someone obviously attempted a MAJOR selling attack today, to shift the sentiment -- and we actually buy this, since even now CNBC is quoting the contract during the day. Right now the bid is back above 50, but if you want evidence that there's manipulation"

72 "73 curious: should you really be mention your stable of hookers in a public forum?

Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 17, 2010 10:38 AM (zOP9 "

hahhahhah now that was really funny.

73 Do you know how many people I know who are working more than one part time job for cash.  They don't exist in the statistics. 

To try to keep ahead of this debacle, I was working 5 fucking part-time jobs (2, W-4 & 3, 1099) during July / August of last year.

Almost killed me.

Didn't help, as it turns out...

Unfortunately only one of them was a bit of bookkeeping / invoicing that was a cash job for an elderly neighbor.

NO W-4 work any more....sooo solly, must sit on assets and try to ride this storm out. Hope you understand.

I don't really exist in the statistics either.

My neighbor's a cool dude and all but I don't see how him tossing me the odd $20 under the table to print out an invoice is going to cut it.

74 My email to Scott Murphy (NY-20):

Rep. Murphy,

Please vote against any of the current versions of health care reform.  Anybody with a shred of honesty will admit that the biggest problem with health care in America isn't access.  A bevy of federal programs already control access: SCHIP, Medicare, Medicaid, SSDI.  It is costs.  This bill does nothing to control or lower the cost of care or the price of premiums.  All signs point to private insurance premiums continuing to rise, with the growth possibly exaggerated by the current versions of the health care bills.

Voting against the bill would accomplish two things in the eyes' of 20th district voters: 1) you send a message that you are serious about solutions, not power or posturing; 2) you are against the corrupt atmosphere in which this bill was fostered, and the possibly unconstitutional manner in which this bill could be passed.

Please vote against the House reform effort.  New York has seen the devastating effects of government overextending itself.  This bill will only make it worse on both the federal and state levels.

Sincerely,

75 Somewhat OT:

Over at HA, there's a study that says that almost a million people will lose their jobs under Obamacare.

/yeah, I guess he is working for the other team and out to destroy America. Change!

76 My letter to Altmire:

Jason:

I'm not just holding you responsible for your own vote. I'm holding you responsible for the passage of this bill. If it becomes law, regardless of how you vote, you are finished in this district forever. Even though I despise her, I would eat Aldi brand dog food at Mary Beth Buchanan's feet to see that you lose in November.

You will never hold elected office again if this passes. I will make it my mission in life.

Sincerely,
mr.frakypants

P.S. Every time I hear you on the radio I think it's a girl talking at first.

77 I live next to Altmire's district (in OH-6, land of Charlie Wilson, there's another piece of work). Heard him on Hannity and Quinn and Rose. What a weasel. Won't answer any questions. As has already been pointed out, he's looking for any excuse whatever to justify his impending yes vote.

78 Back in August, I saw a facebook post from someone I know who is one of Altmire's staffers. It read "Just got home from a whole day of listening to selfish assholes on the phone."

Just so everyone's clear what they think of us.

79 I called all three of Rep. Glenn Nye's office numbers and spoke to live persons in all three cases. I explained how pleased I was that Glenn had voted against the House version and that I expected him to do the same on the Senate version. I politely made it clear that if Glenn voted for the Senate version (or anything like it) that I would be donating money to his opponent's campaign this November.

80 emailed Maffei and Murphy.

81 Adam Smith (D-Wa) undecided says he is "comfortable" with the Senate bill.  He is a YES

82 P.S. Every time I hear you on the radio I think it's a girl talking at first.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at March 17, 2010 11:07 AM (zOP9

Snerk!

83 I called Bart Gordon's D.C. office and Murfreesboro, TN, office on Friday.  Both said that he was still undecided until he saw the bill.  I also emailed a few days before that and have not gotten any response, which is unusual for him.  He is retiring though, so I am not very hopeful that he will worry about what his constituents think.  I am so discouraged these days.  We have got to figure out a way to save our country, but how??  What else will these dictators pull before November?  All I know to do is pray, and I am definitely doing that.  If anyone else is in Gordon's district, please call him and express your disdain for this bill.  It may not work, but we at least have to make the effort.  I am so furious with the democrats.  We are living in a banana republic right now.  They are grabbing power any way they can.  It is so frightening...

84

I live in Nye's district and if he votes for this bill, I'll eat my own face.  I just don't think he'd do it.  Of course, he could surprise me and prove that ALL Democrats are indeed giant douchebags, but I haven't seen that side of him (yet). 

Nye is facing a challenge from several Republicans - all of whom are probably more qualified for Obama's job than Nye's (yeah, I know, that isn't saying much), so I don't think he's ready to commit political suicide just yet. 

85

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, if Allen Boyd votes for this piece of shit reconciliation bill with the student loan takeover in it, 700 people in his district who work for Sallie Mae will lose their jobs.  Sallie Mae is running radio ads here in Philadelphia that are great, talking about all the jobs in PA and Delaware that will also be lost if the government takes over student lending. 

This bill isn't just about health care.  Once they take over student lending, the government will control all mortgage lending, all college lending, and most automotive lending, as well as your health insurance.  And these people hgave the nerve to call US crazy when we talk about socialism! What the hell else do you call it!?!

86 Confirmed: Rep. Lloyd Doggett of Texas is undecided, or at least that's what his staff is telling his constituents when they call his Austin office.  He was a yes last year, might be a no this time if he hears from enough people.

87 I live in Nye's district and if he votes for this bill, I'll eat my own face.

That seems a bit extreme to me.

I dunno, are you a parent?

Do you have kids in school?

Do your kids go to school with the kids of staffers who work in the local offices of Nye?

Can you imagine the bullying that must happen on the playground when word gets out that some poor kid's parent is like a convicted murderer or something?

Children can be so cruel.

ref. Alinsky Rules for Radicals

88 A huge problem is that Undecideds or Nos are being pressured by donors to vote yes. We have to find out who their donors are and Hit them. There is more info on this at the hillbuzz site

89

NEXT STEP FOLKS....THE RECALL:

I guess you missed the column yesterday.

90 Michael McConnel on Megyn's right now!

91 LOL, he says the list of "previous uses" of the Slaughter rule provided by Pelosi is bogus.

92 Ha... AofShq get mention by Rush on his show! Nice!

93 Confirmed! 

Rush just mentioned "Ace of Spades" wrt Health Care Reform

.

94 Hope the hamsters can handle the traffic!

95 four times. He mentioned it four times.

96 Congrats on getting the mention, and thanks Gabe, and others, for bird-doggin' this.

97 Thanks for posting that list. Ill hit them all this evening.

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