1

That guy couldn't sell Watermelons in Alabama if he had a State Trooper stopping Traffic for him!

2 It's okay, Obama just read about this great car called the Trabant. All new GM cars will now be made out of compressed cardboard and carpet will be standard

3 Aren't the rest of the dealerships represented in a lawsuit by the Pidgeon and Donofrio firm?

4

He threw Contract Law out the window on this and we are debating whether he lost 10,000 jobs?

He arbitrarily (at best) trashed the income and buisness of Dozens of American families when doing this.

I would gather there were a few 100,000 jobs that were 'never created and or destroyed' as the result of this administrations actions re: the GM Chrysler Take-Overs.

5 The facts are basically irrefutable. IÂ’m getting REALLY sick of the left playing the politics of division and trying to tear conservatives apart. Mitt and Sarah have both been relatively close and certainly cordial for years now. No matter which one of them wins the nomination in 2012, I have no doubt that the other will do whatever they can to help the other become president. WeÂ’re all on the same team and both camps of supporters need to remember that!

Get beyond the spin HERE.

6 President ObamaÂ’s auto task force pressed General Motors and Chrysler to close scores of dealerships, owned primarily by registered Republicans, without adequately considering the jobs that would be lost or having a firm idea of the cost savings that would be achieved, an audit of the process has concluded.

FIFY

7 PALINISTO!

8 I am holding the door to the ashbin of history open for GM and Crysler. Jump in any time guys.

9

President ObamaÂ’s auto task force acted stupidly.  Gosh, how unexpectedly unprecedented! 

 

10 Who did Obama send to the Chris Wallace show to lie about the Bush Admin? Clyburn? Because he's so well spoken? Or he's an economic expert? Help me out here.

11 The stimulus program was about 3 words "Jobs Jobs Jobs" What a bunch of fucking dufuses.

12 Cars? Who cares about cars? I gots planes, bitches.

13 All the "benefits" of Central Planning combined with general incompetence plus political motivations trumping economic reasoning . Obamanomics!

14

But, there's a 30 year old guy who slept in the parking lot! 

He did this!!!

15 Any bets on how long it will be before this 'inspector general' is also classified as "senile" and forcibly retired?

16 evidence that the President's taskforce was making hasty and arbitrary choices

Hasty?  Yes.  Arbitrary?  Hardly.  There's a substantial body of evidence the ax fell heavily on those dealers who's politics was unacceptable to the new junta.

17
Notice how we never hear any more of Boy Genius's (Geithner's) awesome toxic asset scheme?

18 Guess trying to ruin Toyota didn't work. Or cash for clunkers. Or communism. Interesting. Who knew?

19

The stimulus program was about 3 words "Jobs Jobs Jobs"

Oh it was about 3 words alright.  But it wasn't Jobs Jobs Jobs.  It was more like Fuck You America.

20 Clyburn called Mike Pence "my good friend Mike Spence" I mean c'mon. there must be some reason he's the face of economic recovery. Can't put my finger on it.

21

Dealerships were hacked and slashed for one reason and one reason alone.

Retribution.

22

_{Arbitrary?  Hardly.  There's a substantial body of evidence the ax fell heavily on those dealers who's politics was unacceptable to the new junta.}

Are you implying some dealers who were not well known Democrat supporters had their Dealership Status stripped so they would not be competing with other Dealers who did have Democratic Party ties?

Surely you don't think there was Political motivation involved!?!?

23 Definately Nobel Prize worthy.

24 Gabe, I'm going to disagree that the Osama Obama regime was in "full panic mode." The pattern of their actions in every instance, whether relating to the auto industry, BP or the economy as a whole, suggest they simply follow the Stoned College Kid approach: identify a problem, dream up and apply first stupid "solution," lose interest and go off on some other tangent.

I firmly believe the Traitor-in-Chief can't understand that he and his co-conspirators need to focus on a given issue after he has spoken publicly about it. Broken things do not fix themselves.

And putting all those dealership employees on unemployment gives him more fodder to whine because Repubs are blocking his efforts to print more money for extended extended jobless benefits.

Does this sound to you like someone who is panicky? To me, it sounds like someone who simply doesn't think ahead to a time beyond his next TV appearance, golf game or vacation.

25 Steve "Rat" Ratner, Auto Czar. Fired Red Ink Rick Waggoner (GM CEO). Red Ink Rick asks the Rat "are ya firing Gettlefinger (UAW Chief) too?" The Rat justs laughs. Told secured bondholders 0.26 on the dollar or GFY. Effin' thugs. This Chicago regime and the UAW.

26

_{Notice how we never hear any more of Boy Genius's (Geithner's) awesome toxic asset scheme?}

He will be the Greatest Secretary of the Treasury, Evah!

27 Who did Obama send to the Chris Wallace show to lie about the Bush Admin?

Clyburn?

Because he's so well spoken? Or he's an economic expert?

Help me out here.

Posted by: alppuccino at July 19, 2010 11:46 AM (nw07T)

He sounded like a complete fucking idiot because assbreath Cwis Wawwace wouldn't call him out on any of his bullshit claims (8 meeyun jobs destroyed by GWB; illiegal immigrants have served in the military in Iraq & Afghanistan).  I don't know if Pence thought he should shit, laugh or cut bait in the face of such unrefuted dumbfuckery.

28 "Oh it was about 3 words alright. But it wasn't Jobs Jobs Jobs. It was more like Fuck You America." You know I am really starting to think that guy proggressiveoverpeace or whatever his name is has a point, Obama really does want this country to suffer.

29 Uh, yeah...  Surprise, surprise, surprise.

30

I firmly believe the Traitor-in-Chief can't understand that he and his co-conspirators need to focus on a given issue after he has spoken publicly about it.

This comes from the Messiah complex and his academia background. Why wouldn't his speaking about it be the conclusion of action. First, the Messiah's words should have an effect, a healing, of any issue he deems worthy of his attention and secondly, in the realm of academia, speaking about something is the action. It's the theory, the attention, the focus, the idea that matters not the action. These people believe that theories are reality and are truly surprised when real life doesn't correspond to what they think "should" be the outcome even if there are scads of instances proving the opposite.

31 He sounded like a complete fucking idiot because assbreath Cwis Wawwace wouldn't call him out on any of his bullshit claims (8 meeyun jobs destroyed by GWB; illiegal immigrants have served in the military in Iraq & Afghanistan). I don't know if Pence thought he should shit, laugh or cut bait in the face of such unrefuted dumbfuckery. Posted by: Captain Hate at July 19, 2010 11:54 AM (qPpkJ) Exactly. And this was the same guy whose office was receiving nasty n-word death threats during the Obama coronation, (or so he said). Just once, ONCE, I'd like to see a republican say "Clyburn, you have no idea what you're talking about. And you'll say I called you a n-gg-r if I criticize you. But that's not going to work anymore. Your stupidity doesn't know what color your skin is."

32 You had me at "This comes from the Messiah complex and his academia background"

33 Yeah, it costs jobs to shutter dealers, but the Big Three's dealership networks have long been like the French aristocracy prior to 1789 - mostly poor/marginally profitable clinging on to their status in the hopes of wringing a few more livres/dollars out of the Bourbons/automakers.

GM waited far too long to pull the plug on diseased brands because they thought they could not afford to buy out the franchises of the affected dealers.  In retrospect it's clear they should have done it twenty years ago.

34 GM and Chrysler both will be back in DC before the year is out begging for more money. What's more so will the union retirement funds.

35 The truth is that the Administration was in full panic mode and were trying to chop the auto companies down to something a distracted, inexperienced bureaucracy could manage.

The junta wasn't in "full panic mode".  THey were in full salivation mode.  We need to recall what was going on at the time and how the junta was determined to do whatever the hell they wanted to do - blaming and threatening everyone else within arm's reach.

The Precedent should have been impeached over this, but, hey!  He should have been impeached over tens of criminal violations since he slimed into an office he isn't even eligible, nor qualified, in any way, shape, or form, for.

36

When they made the decision to close dealerships, they didn't even look at a detailed map--they simply drew a circle X miles in diameter around cities and got rid of outlying dealerships.

Never mind that, in some cases, the "outlying dealership" was on the other side of a nearly impassable mountain range or other major obstacle to commerce . . .

37

GM = Union workers = Dim contributions and votes

Auto Dealers = Capitalist Republicans FTMP, non-union workforce, tough shit.

38 Don't forget the stink, when these closings were first forced through, that minority dealerships were being shown preference and not being closed.

Another article of impeachment ... faded into the history of the late, great US.

39 Another wingnut nontroversy. Wait, nontroversy. That's not a word is it. But I just bashed the shit out of Sarah Palin for making up the word refudiate.  Am I a hypocritcal fuckstick or what? Wait, is fuckstick one word, two words or hyphenated?  Or did I make that up too?

40

Where I live, they forced closed the only Jeep dealership in my town of 80,000. This Jeep dealership was owned by the local large Ford dealership which had it since the AMC days. Now the closest Jeep dealership is 40 miles away in a small town of 4000. There was another dealership about 20 miles alway in town of 20,000 but they forced closed the entire Chrysler dealership in that town.

IOW, there was no economic logic to the closing of the local Jeep dealership.

41 You know I am really starting to think that guy proggressiveoverpeace or whatever his name is has a point, Obama really does want this country to suffer.

It seems completely obvious to me that he's here to objectively fuck things up. His background, his actions...you have to invent a pretty funky theory to explain how he gets virtually everything wrong while simultaneously acting in good faith.

42

Political retribution in the form of losing one's business.  That's wrong.

But I find it hard to get worked up about car dealers getting screwed. 

I just remember how I felt every time I went in shopping for a car -- I felt they were trying to fleece me, feed me lies, and in general, take advantage of my good and trusting nature.  Being taken advantage of by people who are right down there with Congresscritters on the "have faith in" scale. 

Kinda like they're just getting their karmic books recentered.

 

43 #39--Heh. If it doesn't involve bashing the Right or the Tea Party, or extolling comic books, it ain't worth posting about at that site.

     Sorry to say I was a poster there for years, until that huge lurch to the left. Watching the slap fights is fun at times, tho'.

44

Uhmmm. There was significant politics (at least at GM, for which I'm familier) at play regarding which dealership stayed open or closed that has not been touched on. Not a Republican vs Democratic issue, but internal to the corporation issue.

Keep in mind that at least with GM, relationships between the corporation and dealers was, over the decades, ah..."guarded". At times it was almost outright rebellion. And there is such a thing as "corporate memory". The corporation thought it knew how not just to design but also how to sell product and the franchisee was just an irritation in the way.

I'm simplifying, but that's how (along with god damned those goddamned "focus groups") GM ended up with the Chevy whalelike Caprise (though the redesign gave us the Impala SS, which was in essence a patrol care with leather, no toplights and 30 more horsepower) and Buicks Aztek. They didn't listen to dealers, who knew what will sell in their defined areas. Instead the corporation listened to some 25 year old with their MBS.

In some cases, top selling franchises were eliminated or split up, giving one part of an existing dealership to an older owner in the next town, without any regard to succession. That dealer does not have any children showing any interest in the franchise.

Another GM dealer lost their brand when the corporation gave it to a megastore francisee a few miles away.  Nevermind that the megastore will have to sell at twice the current sales just to make the principal on the construction costs. And then GM creates another competiting same brand dealer just over the states border from the one that they just closed. Go figure.

Much of what and how they reached conclusions defy common business sense.

They closed many Cadillac dealers because they see that Mercedes Benz only has XX amount, so why would GM need twice that? And the client should get the same type of service.  Here's reality: the _net_ profit on a MB is easily _four to five_ times that of any Cadillac. With that type of profit, sure, a MB dealership can afford staffing to pickup and deliver customers vehicles. Profit margin is too slim for a Cadillac dealer to do that. And the corporation ignores their own surveys that have indicated for decades, that a typical customer travels less then 15 miles to vehicle shop.

Prediction? - There will only be Chevy and Cadillac within three years, and they'll be back to Congress in the meantime. And GM deserves what they get...

45 Isn't this the sort of same rash decision that lead to FDR slaughtering tens of thousands of perfectly good pigs in order to artificially drive the price of pork back up?  All it lead to were food lines and malnutrition. 

46 We all know that Bayern Munich is the best team in the world.