1 For once I like falling numbers.

2 If someone told me my choice was Ron Paul or Barack Obama, I think I'd start to act like I was voting and then give myself a good hard elbow in my throat. It would be over soon. Wouldn't be fun, but more fun that pulling a lever for either of those two.

3 Ron Paul's people FOUNDED the Tea Party movement

4

3 Ron Paul's people FOUNDED the Tea Party movement

Good boy! Upding.

5

Bwhahahah!  And from Public Policy Polling, it gets even better:

 

Americans are now pretty evenly divided about whether they would rather have Barack Obama or George W. Bush in the White House. 48% prefer Obama while 46% say they would rather have the old President back.

6 I mean, if I got a call asking, "In a match up between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, who would you vote for?"

At this point if I got a phone call asking "In a match up between Charles Manson and Barack Obama who would you vote for?"  I think I'd seriously consider Manson...

7 And in a three-way race you would get: Barack Obama = 42% Black Plague = 36% Ron Paul = 22% When you run Mussolini against Hitler, il Duce wins every time.

8 You've gotta hand it to those Paulbots.  Somehow they managed to infiltrate Ras's call list.

9 Ron Paul pisses me off. I would never vote for anyone with even the slightest hint of association with white supremacists or other racists (and he has more than a hint).

It sucks rhino ass because even his nuttier opinions on the economy make more sense than just about anyone else in Washington. So our choice is fiscal insanity or racial douchitude. Lovely.

10 How many are mixing Ron Paul up with Paul Ryan?

11 Now we know why the Jugeared AH's numbers are going up. Rass has jumped the shark.

How has he let the paulbots tie up a phone poll?

12

Second look at Herr Docktor.

I'm diggin it. Better than the pinkos, and at least something different from the squishes. Insane? Possibly... but the definition of insanity has been claimed to be doing the same damn thing over and over and expecting different results. In which case he may be the only sane one.

13 I imagine this is just an Anybody but Obama thing that simply has Paul's name in the "anybody" slot.

Someone was polling "Anybody" against Obama a few weeks ago...I read it on this blog, Ace of something or other....

14 Rasmussen may be more GOP "friendly" but this smacks of a gentle suggestion by our friends on the Left as to who the GOP nominee should be.  Hot Air has a poll showing Huckabee leading possible candidates.  Both Paul and Huckabee would be losing candidates in 2012 and they know it.

15 Barack Obama = 42%
Swift Kick In the Nut Sack/Taco (depending on gender) = 41%
Ron Paul  !!11!! = 17%

16

The PPP poll makes the Democrat party's master plan to run against George W. Bush in 2010 simply genius. 
Heh!

17

Posted by: sTevo at April 14, 2010 12:29 PM (eA3tl)

 

Awesome!  Did you see that out on the road?

18

PPP, even with its skewed sampling that heavily favors Jackassocrats, has Jug Ears and the devil incarnate himself, George W. Bush, in a statistical tie in a hypothetical match up

tinyurl.com/y45ghco

 

 

 

19

It sucks rhino ass because even his nuttier opinions on the economy make more sense than just about anyone else in Washington. So our choice is fiscal insanity or racial douchitude. Lovely.

It's an easy choice dude. Go with the operative threat over the theoretical one.

What is he gonna do, gas the Jews? Decriminalize slavery?

Conversely, might someone try to, I dunno, nationalize half the economy or beat the shit out of capitalism to show it how much they love it?

20 Paul/Huckabee 2012.

21 So MSNBO has lithium drips on standby for this Bush/Obama poll, right?

22 Both Paul and Huckabee would be losing candidates in 2012 and they know it.

Posted by: LexisTexas at April 14, 2010 12:29 PM (Vt8uv)

It will be interesting to see how the MSM spins this.  They will want to "shepherd" the GOP primary voters into nominating the most defeatable candidate in 2012- the same way they did in 2008.  Ron Paul and Huckabee are probably at the top of their short list.

23 Jug Ears' polling numbers are dropping faster than Bawney Fwanks XXXL tightie-whitie BVDs at a Boy Scout Jamboree

24 Hell if a someone called and asked who would I vote, Teh Won or Aldof Hitler...I still go with Hitler.

25 Paul probably is the known Republican candidate that potential Republican voters least reject.

Romney is Obama with a job on the Weather Channel, Huck is Hillary and Benny Hinn's demon spawn, and endless media commands to hate Palin have worked pretty well (at least among women, who are sodden for Obama anyway).

Get new dudes.

26

I imagine this is just an Anybody someguy but Obama thing that simply has Paul's name in the "anybody" someguy slot.

Someone was polling "Anybody" someguy against Obama a few weeks ago...I read it on this blog, Ace of something or other....

There, FIFY!  Punching down!

27 Anybody but Obama? We back in the game, baby!

28 What's next, a hypothetical poll about a match up between Gary Coleman and Barrack Obama?  After all Coleman did once run for Governor of California, and his odds on winning the Republican Nomination are almost as good as Paul's.

Guess there's very little the lame stream media won't pull out of their asses to try to save their anointed one.

29 Ron Paul?  Are you fucking kidding me?

Perhaps Republicans do deserve to be the party of 20% if that many supporters are that fucking stupid.

30 which one was Professor Science? Obama or Paul? loved that bit.

31 Well on the upside, no one will claim Herr Docktor is just another GWB.

32 Ron Paul?  Are you fucking kidding me?

Perhaps Republicans do deserve to be the party of 20% if that many supporters are that fucking stupid.

Posted by: Jack Burton at April 14, 2010 12:35 PM (YxJoH)

Most of the country is saying that exact same thing about Obama and the dumbass hopey changy effiminates that voted for him.

33 If someone told me my choice was Ron Paul or Barack Obama, I think I'd start to act like I was voting and then give myself a good hard elbow in my throat. It would be over soon. Wouldn't be fun, but more fun that pulling a lever for either of those two.

Posted by: skwiself at April 14, 2010 12:21 PM (XvlZj)

That's it.  I'm definitely voting Cthulu.

34

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Checkmate, neocons!

35

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Checkmate, neocons!

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 14, 2010 12:38 PM (k5CvA)

He does, it's called the Hindenburg

36 I actually think this is great.  A lot of my lib/dem friends think Paul is very very smart and insightful and they might just pull the lever for him.   But also now the dem/libs BO machine ahs to go after all possible opponents so they will be going after Romney, Guiliani (just in case), Sarah Palin and now Ron Paul....
Who else can we add to the talking points hit list?

37 That's it.  I'm definitely voting Cthulu.

Obama 48%
Nyarlathotep the Crawling Chaos 47%

38

I don't get why Rasmussen chose to poll Paul in that slot.

It proves that those who oppose Obama are crazy and racist.

It may be the best evidence that anyone has come up with yet. (Yes, that is not saying much.)

39 "In a match up between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, who would you vote for?"

I would vote for a double-tap to the forehead.

40 So are you really saying that Paul would be anywhere in the same class of awful as Obama? Why?

41 Barack Obama = 42%

Mrs. Paul ( I love me some fish sticks) = 40%

Paul Lynde (even though he's dead) = 18%

42

Just as I took crazy Ross Perot over the other two.

Thank you again!

43 if I got a call asking, "In a match up between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, who would you vote for?" I guess I'd say Paul. But even knowing I'd never face that in reality, I'd shower for awhile. A long time actually.

Yeah.  I'd shower, too.

In bleach.

Then I'd rinse out my brain with hydrofluoric acid. 

44

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Checkmate, neocons!

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 14, 2010 12:38 PM (k5CvA)

She's in Mexico this week without him.

45 Barack Obama = 42%

Mrs. Paul ( I love me some fish sticks) = 40%

Paul Lynde (even though he's dead) = 18%

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at April 14, 2010 12:44 PM (HpT9p)

 

Dude!  What are you gay?

46 Ron Paul?  Are you fucking kidding me?

Threadwinner

47 Ha!  I told you so!

48 Paul may be a nutbar, but his issue - reducing government - is the issue right now.

49

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Checkmate, neocons!

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 14, 2010 12:38 PM (k5CvA)

She's in Mexico this week without him.

 

 

There's not enough helium in the world to get her off the ground...

50 44 So are you really saying that Paul would be anywhere in the same class of awful as Obama? Why? Because his foreign policy/national security platform is based around hope and wishful thinking the same as Obama's is.

51

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Checkmate, neocons!

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 14, 2010 12:38 PM (k5CvA)

He does, it's called the Hindenburg

 

Who knew that's Michelle's name in German!

52 50 Barack Obama = 42%

Mrs. Paul ( I love me some fish sticks) = 40%

Paul Lynde (even though he's dead) = 18%

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at April 14, 2010 12:44 PM (HpT9p)

 

Dude!  What are you gay?

______________________________________

Nothin' wrong w/ lovin fish sticks!

53 Poor Ace, he is trapped in a hole being told,

"It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."

54 Barack Obama = 42% Black Plague = 36% Ron Paul = 22% When you run Mussolini against Hitler, il Duce wins every time. Raaaaaaaaaaacist!

55 OH hell yes!!!!!!  SUCK IT NOW, MAN!

*returns to furiously masturbating to Rage Against the Machine albums*

56 What's next, a hypothetical poll about a match up between Gary Coleman and Barrack Obama?

Obama vs Coleman? That's easy Coleman.

Heck Obama vs pretty much any American citizen? Still easy.

The results for Paul specifically though seem to say the public is finally willing to go for someone who will buck the establishment. Heck, we see that in play in NJ of all places.

We need to pick a conservative with guts as our standard bearer in 2012. No more soft candidates like Bush or weasels like McCain...

57 Incidentally, this also highlights one of the really big problems with characterizing the entire anti-spend-ourselves-into-oblivion movement as racist and fascist; it makes it harder to discredit an actual racist/fascist should one ever show up. It doesn't matter that "it's really true this time!" if they've already said that about Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Joe Lieberman, Lyndon Johnson, and Harry Truman.

58

This just in. Ace last seen on:

April 12 at 10:43 PM

59 So MSNBO has lithium drips on standby for this Bush/Obama poll, right?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 14, 2010 12:32 PM (pLTLS)

I wonder if people are starting to remember that the terrible "Bush economy" in 2005 was pretty damn good.

60 I'd like to see a poll like this now with Sarah Palin in the Ron Paul slot.

61 At this point if I got a phone call asking "In a match up between Charles Manson and Barack Obama who would you vote for?"  I think I'd seriously consider Manson...

Hey, Manson got shit done.  (annnnd I now denounce myself for that)

62 Because his foreign policy/national security platform is based around hope and wishful thinking the same as Obama's is.

Pelosi/Reid/Obama's profligate spending will soon compel this nation into a dramatically cheaper isolationist foreign policy and defense posture.  By the end of Ogabe's term, we'll be visibly retreating and pulling back, because there simply won't be any money to continue on.

Long term, that will be a disaster of course, but it dovetails nicely with Her Doktor's thinking in the short term.

63 "64

This just in. Ace last seen on:

April 12 at 10:43 PM

Posted by: conscious and waiting for a post by Ace at April 14, 2010 12:53 PM (YVZlY)"

I've been worried too

64
In related news Intrade is reporting that Shit Sandwich shares are surging.

65

Does Obama have a BLIMP?

Yes, he does, her name is Napolitano and she's the director of Homeland Security.  Unfortunately she has a really rough job because every time she tries to wave the white flag somewhere she finds out her boss has already surrendered to those people. 

66 Ace has been under the weather recently.  He's still alive.

67 Incidentally, this also highlights one of the really big problems with characterizing the entire anti-spend-ourselves-into-oblivion movement as racist and fascist; it makes it harder to discredit an actual racist/fascist should one ever show up.

It doesn't matter that "it's really true this time!" if they've already said that about Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Joe Lieberman, Lyndon Johnson, and Harry Truman.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at April 14, 2010 12:52 PM (gXQt/)

Indeed - look at Britain where the BNP slowly continues to gain ground. When any deviation from left wing orthodoxy is heresy of the worst order in the media and the establishment parties are basically the same, people will be turn elsewhere...

It is interesting specifically though that the Left/State Media call people who want to weaken and decentralize government fascists. It is amazing that 50 year old Soviet propaganda lives on...

68 Would we all get free subscriptions to Ron Paul's racist newsletter if he were elected President?

69 It is amazing that 50 year old Soviet propaganda lives on...

If the Soviets could have toughed it out for another 10-15 years, they really would have won the cold war.  I don't think they realized how effective there agitprop really was.

70 I'm lost. How would having Ron Paul elected President be a bad thing?

71 "73 Ace has been under the weather recently.  He's still alive.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2010 12:57 PM (vekrB)"

He's been sick a lot lately.  I hope he is going to the doctor and following instructions.   He and everyone else here are always in my prayers.

72 73 Ace has been under the weather recently.  He's still alive.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2010 12:57 PM (vekrB)

Sorry to hear he's not feeling well.  I hope he gets better soon.

73 77 I'm lost. How would having Ron Paul elected President be a bad thing?

Putting aside his problematic tendency to surround himself with conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites, his views on foreign policy were outdated in the 20th century, let alone the 21st.

74 "75 Would we all get free subscriptions to Ron Paul's racist newsletter if he were elected President?

Posted by: Kensington at April 14, 2010 12:58 PM (aDdAT)"

I don't know much about Ron Paul mostly because too many of my lib/dem friends just love him, so I had no idea he was a racist.   I'm surprised that they would go for a racist in such a big way cause they claim "he is the only republican they would vote for".

75

Ace has been under the weather recently.

I'll take transparent euphemisms for $600, Alex.

76 Ehh, that was me, stupid sockpuppet.

And seriously, Ace needs to take some vitamins, quit smoking if he still does, and get outside more.  Not just for the blog, but for his own health.

77

I think Paul also falls into the Truther crowds as well.......

I'm thinking if the only choice is Ron Paul or Obummer, I'm choosing

(C) Dr Kevorkian 

78
If the Soviets could have toughed it out for another 10-15 years, they really would have won the cold war.  I don't think they realized how effective there agitprop really was.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2010 01:00 PM (vekrB)

We may have won the Cold War, but the Soviets' "active measures" were like a poisoned arrow that we are slowly dying from years later.

79 Ace probably had some undercooked Hobo......

80

#48 Yeah.  I'd shower, too.

In bleach.

Then I'd rinse out my brain with hydrofluoric acid. 

Sounds like a plan, except I'd probably use trichloroacetic acid to wash out my brain.  (HPLC sucks when it doesn't work).

I didn't realize PPP was a racist polling outfit now.  Is it now Keefum's "Worstest Person in the World"?

81

I don't know much about Ron Paul mostly because too many of my lib/dem friends just love him, so I had no idea he was a racist.   I'm surprised that they would go for a racist in such a big way cause they claim "he is the only republican they would vote for".

Posted by: curious at April 14, 2010 01:02 PM (p302b)

Paul has poorly-plausible deniability. It wasn't him...just his closest associates writing in his newsletter, uh, without his knowledge or something.

But hey, if Ayers is just some guy in Obama's neighborhood and Rev Wright doesn't matter, I think Paul has a legitimate defense among liberals...

82 "21 It sucks rhino ass because even his nuttier opinions on the economy make more sense than just about anyone else in Washington. So our choice is fiscal insanity or racial douchitude. Lovely.

It's an easy choice dude. Go with the operative threat over the theoretical one.

What is he gonna do, gas the Jews? Decriminalize slavery?

Conversely, might someone try to, I dunno, nationalize half the economy or beat the shit out of capitalism to show it how much they love it?

Posted by: Entropy at April 14, 2010 12:31 PM (IsLT6) "

Bingo. Or put another way, Ron Paul's dangerous ideas have support of no other elected republicans and next to no other Americans, while Obama's dangerous ideas have the support of the majority of the other branches of gov't (hopefully not so in 2012, but nearly), most appointed beaurocrats and gov't lawyers, regulators, etc., and a large minority of the populace. I'd vote Paul in a heartbeat, given that choice.

83 We need to pick a conservative with guts as our standard bearer in 2012. No more soft candidates like Bush or weasels like McCain...

Agreed, but we need a "conservative with guts" not a "loudmouth nihilist who is batshit crazy".  Big difference between those two types of candidates, and frankly Paul very much strikes me as being far more of the later than he does of the former.

84 But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!!

85 Given choice between Obama the Marxist and Ron Paul the Constitutional Conservative, make that hands down for Paul.

Mises Austrian Economics are at least NON-BANKRUPTING.

And Obama's not going to fight any new war, will pull out of his current engagements, and is giving up everything to Russia and China and Korea.

Unlike Obama, Ron Paul would fight a war against aggressors attacking the domestic USA.

But then, if I had my choice, Fred Thompson would be POTUS.

86 btw FROM NBC:

U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to POSSIBLY be "illegal."

Lakin refused this week to report to Fort Campbell, KY for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead showed up at the Pentagon, where he was confronted by his brigade Commander Col. Gordon Roberts, a Vietnam Medal of Honor recipient.

Lakin was informed by Roberts that he would face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.

87 Putting aside his problematic tendency to surround himself with conspiracy theorists and anti-Semites, his views on foreign policy were outdated in the 20th century, let alone the 21st.

Posted by: rEVOLution at April 14, 2010 01:02 PM (W5NBA)

Foreign Policy? That cant be it. There has to be more.  

88

If the Soviets could have toughed it out for another 10-15 years, they really would have won the cold war.

We are in the shape we are in today becasue the existential threat was removed.  It's like someone switched our serious switch past "Off" to "Imbecilic."  And that's a nonpartisan cultural as well as political observation, by the way.

89 Ace has been under the weather recently.  He's still alive.

You know if you put the Val-U-Rite down eventually the hangover goes away.

90 I seem to remember (hearing about, as I was a toddler at the time) Reagan being considered a far-right unelectable kook through much of the 70's....or at least slandered as such by the Marxist Socialist Media.

I've heard many times that we had to go through Carter to get to Reagan, with the implication being that Obama is a precursor to a conservative renaissance. 

If only....

I'm not a Ronulan by any stretch.  What I have seen of him reminds me a great deal of the BNP (British Nationalist Party); Libertarianism with a strong whiff of David Duke thrown in.

The former sounds good, but the latter means I'd only vote for him as a last resort, and even then I wouldn't be voting for him - but against his leftist opponent.

91 On the one hand, hooray people will vote for the "anyone but Obama" choice. On the other hand, a little scary that Rasmussen is floating Ron Paul in that slot. Will a strong Republican candidate emerge soon for the 2012 election that can unite the party and draw the Independents? I mean I've seen our choices all over the place from Romney to Huckabee (yikes!) and now Ron Paul, all we need is McCain to decide to run again and we'll be royally screwed in 2012.

92 O/T:  Rush is talking about "why all this talk about nukes lately".   "The WH has warned state and federal governments not to expect a significant federal response at the scene of a terrorist nuclear attack until 24 to 48 hours after the blast"  rush just read that....

Several of my friends have said that they are afraid of this, some have said they discussed things the administration was worrying about before 9/11 and one of them, in the nyt's was an article about planes hitting a building.  People are starting to worry that they know an attack is coming and can't stop it...real regular people have said this to me lately....this is getting frightening.

93

OK, I've ignored it long enough:

Ron Paul is a kook.  Gold standard, letters of mark (to fight in AF EFFING GHANISTAN), trutherist BS, and various associations with...let's call them "unsavory" types (if we are going to be upset with Obama about Ayers and Wright a little consistency is called for).

And this is such a false choice that we might as well be arguing about whether we would would vote for Obama or Darth Vader.  It will never happen.

P.S.:  Next person to compare Ronaldus Magnus with Paul gets an FU.

94

I bet Paul would do more to move this country back towards a constitutional republic (much smaller gov't in my mind) than most anyone else. Please inform me of any other person, that is even close to the limelight, that i should consider that would do a better job of this than Paul?

95 Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 14, 2010 01:15 PM (B+qrE)

Shhhh.....he may be serving the same purpose as hillary did in the last election....

96

Every election is a choice of evils.  The choice of the two evils suggested here is pretty clear.  At least RP isn't a known traitor.  He has that going for him.

Really, I'd vote for a Magic 8 Ball before I'd vote for Obie.  The 8 ball will make a correct decision once in a while, and won't be pushing any new initiatives. 

97 Vader 2012!

98 73 Ace has been under the weather recently. He's still alive. Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 14, 2010 12:57 PM (vekrB) Then tell him to rest up for as long as he needs. We've got plenty of snark to draw on in his absence.

99 I'll take transparent euphemisms for $600, Alex.

Why does everyone keep asking me for money?

100

I'm no Paulbot by any stretch but it would be fun stuff to watch Libs cast Paul as an anti-Semitite considering their idol.

What did the Rev. Wright say anyway? He couldn't get near Obama because of "them Jews".

Wait, who am I kidding? Good libs would never even raise the argument. They could care less. Any support of Israel is seen as rabid Zionism. Silly me.

 

101 Vader 2012!

I've got to go Fett.

102

And this is such a false choice that we might as well be arguing about whether we would would vote for Obama or Darth Vader.  It will never happen.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 14, 2010 01:15 PM (B+qrE)

Vader in 2012! 

103 Paul/Giuliani?    Paul/Romney?   Paul/Palin?    Paul/Ryan?   Paul/McCotter?  Paul/Bachman?   Paul/christie?    Paul/Thompson?   Paul/?????

Fill in the ?????

104

OK, let's cut this short:

Where Ron Paul is awesome: Anything to do with domestic policy. (I count immigration and border security as domestic).

Where Ron Paul is a Crackpot: Anything to do with foreign policy. (I count defense spending as foreign policy).

Paul Bashers: get real and face the fact that he has been spot on about issues at home.

Paul Cultists: get real and face the fact that foreign powers can be hostile and aren't run like America is, let alone should be.

That rests the case for, and against, Ron Paul.

105

I've got to go Fett.

Boba or Janga?

106

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 14, 2010 01:15 PM (B+qrE)

Amen......

107 O/T:  CNBC saying they are close to passing a bi partisan bill to fix the WS problem....

So are they going to give the ship away to the banks and financial institutions like they gave the ship away to the insurance companies in the health bill?

108 Ia! Ia! Ronpaul fthagn!

109

Anything to do with domestic policy.

So do we count the goldbug nonsense and racist associates in the pile of domestic policy?  If so, you are just wrong about him being even remotely reasonable.

But don't listen to me, listen to Paul.  The CIA is running things now, you know.

110 I'm telling you guys, my lib/dem friends would consider voting for Paul.  They like his isolationist foreign policy.  They want to be independent of  the rest of the world, no wars, no interaction, no saving anyone, just leave us alone...that is their attitude these days.

111 103
________________________________________________
17 Barack Obama = 42%
Swift Kick In the Nut Sack/Taco (depending on gender) = 41%
Ron Paul  !!11!! = 17%
___________________________________________

I rule.

112 And Obama's not going to fight any new war, will pull out of his current engagements, and is giving up everything to Russia and China and Korea. Unlike Obama, Ron Paul would fight a war against aggressors attacking the domestic USA. No, he'd come up with a fantasy scenario where we could fight a proxy war in Afghanistan against Pakistan's proxies via letters of Marque. Oh, and on top of that, he'd still give everything to Russia, China, and N. Korea anyway. The current proxy wars are ugly, but we've got an ugly choice of a) fighting a nuclear war with the main actors, which trace back to countries which going nuclear against would hurt us badly, b) do nothing, or c) fight the ugly proxy war. Paul, like Obama, gets a pass from the mainstream by saying the proxy wars are ugly and we shouldn't be in them but not having to answer which of the other two possibilities they prefer.

113

O/T but good news from Michelle Malkin:

Victory! Democrat Chief Inquisitor Henry Waxman has retreated from his attempt to intimidate companies who dare speak out about the costs and consequences of Obamacare.

His April 21 witch hunt session has been cancelled, according to left-wingers.

Perhaps they thought better of it while contemplating the prospect of a nationwide revolt by all businesses who are simply complying with disclosure laws and accounting principles, and telling the truth about the burden of the DemsÂ’ crushing mandates.

114 Obama beats the crazy guy by 1%? Hahaha! Obama is gonna be pissed if he hears about this... I'd say Rasmussen was trying to make a point about how bad Obama is to voters by putting him up against the nuttiest idiot in the political villiage. Awesome. (Ron Paul will never be the candidate so I see no need to worry.)

115

"But don't listen to me, listen to Paul.  The CIA is running things now, you know.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 14, 2010 01:23 PM (B+qrE)"

" The CIA is running things now, you know."    What do you mean?

116

#112  Pretty much agree there.

Ron Paul lost me when I saw one of his clips on Carl in Jerusalem's site.

Ron Paul: Israel created Hamas, US created al-Qaeda

117 119

Damn sock...

118

(Ron Paul will never be the candidate so I see no need to worry.)

Aaaaand scene!

_{+bajillion or something (I was told there would be no math)}

 

119

So do we count the goldbug nonsense

As opposed to Obama's stagflationary paper currency? I'm not so sure bringing back a gold standard wouldn't be bad. Even the leftists had their Bretton Woods.

120 "112 OK, let's cut this short:"

And anytime last decade I would have said foreign affairs eclipsed domestic for national concerns.

I'm leaning quite hard in the other direction right now. The enemy within is the one with the sharpest knife.

121 And you run a modern, multi-trillion dollar economy on the gold standard...how?

122

I'm not so sure bringing back a gold standard wouldn't be bad.

This kind of utter BS is every bit as bad as lefties inability to do math.

You can't run the US economy on 200 billion in gold reserves--even in a vacuum with no outside interactions and no balance of payment issues.  It is impossible.

123 Ace was just seen on TV during a high speed car chase, throwing pudding out the window.

124 Sockoff!

125

I've got to go Fett.

Boba or Janga?

Hmmm, that's a good question. I shall have to ponder that.

126

OT:  Obama's nuke summit is a dud in the foreign press (surprise, surprise).

Look for the story in the yellow box.

Doesn't matter, as Iran's going nuclear with in a month (but they won't have a nuke "for a year", sure).

In the end, there will be only chaos.

127 You must admit though just the fact that we've wasted this much bandwidth on the subject I suppose proves that this poll did have some manner of effect.  Truth is it's pretty much a non-topic, since Paul has no feasible chance of winning the nomination and as such it's about as useful as discussing contingency plans for what to do in case Luxembourg invades the US.

128

And anytime last decade I would have said foreign affairs eclipsed domestic for national concerns.

I'm leaning quite hard in the other direction right now. The enemy within is the one with the sharpest knife.

Wait until Iran gets nukes and seals the Persian Gulf off.

129 contingency plans for what to do in case Luxembourg invades the US. Surrender. Then they'll have to take on our debt.

130 The PPP poll proves your point nicely, Drew.

That 48% needs whittling down, though.

131 He's been sick a lot lately.  I hope he is going to the doctor and following instructions.

Yes, by all means.  Come to us!

132

"Wait until Iran gets nukes and seals the Persian Gulf off."

Yeah, I know. It's pretty much all one thing, and screwing up one will screw us all around.

133 Raz poll is more of a O vs anybody poll.  Any moron here could probably get 40%.

Raz calls me and gives me the choice, I push 69 on the phone for "random moron from AoSHQ".

134 In the end, there will be only chaos.

Paul/Azathoth 2012!!

135 73 Ace has been under the weather recently.

:-( 

But I'm heartened to realize that I must still have some shreds of optimism remaining because I assumed he'd found a lady love with whom to hunt hobos. 

136 Raz calls me and gives me the choice, I push 69 on the phone for "random moron from AoSHQ". Thank you! I think.

137 Yah, it wasted a lot of bandwidth, but it gave me a chance to rant about some *&^% that's been bothering me for a while. And to consider: if there really are, somewhere out there, nazis hiding in the bushes... is Cahrles the Johnson-head hurting them or helping them?

138

This kind of utter BS is every bit as bad as lefties inability to do math.

You can't run the US economy on 200 billion in gold reserves--even in a vacuum with no outside interactions and no balance of payment issues.  It is impossible.

Oh really? Up until 1971 we did. But LBJ inflated the currency and Nixon went along with it to an extent.

139 Thank you! I think.

Your welcome, but I was thinking the Kratos/Mallamutt ticket or the pgis/rum for the win.

140 Come on people... "if you google ron paul"... you'll catch teh fevah

141 Come on people... "if you google ron paul"... you'll catch teh fevah

Fever means the immune system is fighting an infection...

142

And you run a modern, multi-trillion dollar economy on the gold standard...how?

Until 1971 we did (in inflation adjusted dollars--thanks paper currency!--we had a multi-trillion dollar economy then too).

Now gold standards are not perfect I grant you--they tend to have bank panics every 20 odd years. But as I watch the Obamunist Porkulus and now Socialized Medicine endgame play out, I can only see the current course ending in stagflation. I don't know if it will exceed the 1970's, but if it does, we are Weimar Republic screwed.

143 Your welcome, but I was thinking the Kratos/Mallamutt ticket or the pgis/rum for the win. If they agree to run for office in bikinis I'll quit my job and volunteer full time.

144

Boba or Janga?

Hmmm, that's a good question. I shall have to ponder that.

Janga Fett wants to End The Fed.

Checkmate, neocons!

145

Oh really? Up until 1971 we did. But LBJ inflated the currency and Nixon went along with it to an extent.

Guess what?  Bretton Woods was not the gold standard.  It was the dollar pegged to a fixed price of gold (35 bucks).  And the demands of the world economy overwhlemed it.  It fell apart.

So referencing a failure from 40 years ago is not going to go down in my books as an argument in favor of anything....

146

Obama 42%  Someguy 12%

Punching down.

But funny.

147

Posted by: Wretched sycophants, and followers of Cthulhu too at April 14, 2010 01:29 PM (RD7QR)

You can't (at least without a massive revaluation of currency) because there's not enough gold in the world.  What you could do, though, is base currency on a basket-of-goods weighted toward gold and other precious metals.

My problem with Paul isn't his policy positions, it's his conspiracy-mongering.  You could make a damn good argument to end the Fed without resorting to crackpot theories about evil international Jew bankers.  You can be against the Iraq war without saying 9-11 was an inside job and endosring Cynthia McKinny.

The other thing that pisses me off about Paul is that he loads every spending bill up with pork for his district and then votes against it, because he knows it would pass anyway.

148 There aren't many Republicans who would make me—force me—to pull the lever for Obama. But Ron Paul is one of them.

149

Guess what?  Bretton Woods was not the gold standard.  It was the dollar pegged to a fixed price of gold (35 bucks). 

OK, maybe we are having a Definition problem here, but if that isn't a gold standard, what is???

And the demands of the world economy overwhlemed it.  It fell apart.

Because, to pay for the Great Society, LBJ basically printed money, as well as raising taxes. Foreign investors saw what was coming and redeemed their dollars for gold. What is so surprising about that?

150 Intrade now has pgis/rum up 20%!!!


You can't run the US economy on 200 billion in gold reserves

As if the US actually has any gold reserves.

151 Bottom line?  There isn't a candidate out there that we could all vigorously support....and that's damned serious.  I'm thinking some of the new blood will emerge and we can all forget about Paul and Huckabee and (insert your candidate here).  At least I hope so, otherwise the future isn't too friggin bright.

152

Again, I will repeat. Ron Paul's foreign policy is crackpot, and because that is important, he should never be elected to any office that even remotely deals with it. Which means frankly he shouldn't be in the House either.

But those of you who wanted "Compassionate" conservatism, you Bushyrovies who thought you could create the "permanent Republican majority" by handing out entitlement goodies, or by Hispandering and letting the borders go, hey, who created Ron Paul? In effect, YOU did.

Ron Paul's strength is that he was in opposition to the hash the GOP Bushyrovie establishment was dishing out.

 

153 I'm sorry if some  libs think that we should pull our troops home, but they are just massively wrong. It cannot happen unless/until we become completely free of imports. Until then we have to protect world shipping. If not us who?

154 Posted by: Gold Line Spokesman seen every 12 minutes on Glen Beck's show at April 14, 2010 01:51 PM (V9SYy)

Your name is Scott Winters.  Also known as the pompous Harvard asshole in the bar in Good Will Hunting.

How do you like them apples?

155

Because, to pay for the Great Society, LBJ basically printed money, as well as raising taxes. Foreign investors saw what was coming and redeemed their dollars for gold. What is so surprising about that?

Gross oversimplification.  You (and Paul) assume that the U.S. economy exists in a vacuum.  Books have been written on the factors that led to Bretton Woods demise and those factors were not limited to American economic policies.

156 who created Ron Paul? In effect, YOU did.

Really?  Holy Crap!  Quick, somebody check Ron's neck for Bolts!

FrakenPaul 2012 - He may be batshit crazy but he runs entirely on clean, recyclable energy.

157 Books have been written on the factors that led to Bretton Woods demise and those factors were not limited to American economic policies.

Who are you stranger, and what are these "books" you speak of? 

Rotfl - sorry, it's been a day.

158

What Curmudgeon said. Not being an economic souper-genius I can't say whether or not a return to a commodity-backed currency is the right thing or even possible at this time, but I would like our government to behave as though our currency were commodity-backed and stop debasing the dollar. I think Paul is on the money with his move to audit the Fed and it should be noted that he is not the only politician who wants this. He wants to cut both the size and scope of government, and yes, I have heard all of the "he puts in for earmarks" talk but none other than Tom Coburn has shot that down.

I part with Ron Paul on the vast majority of his foreign policy beliefs. There was a time when the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans were our best defenses, but the ability to produce a backpack-sized nuclear device renders oceans moot. Additionally, in the past nation states went to war to acquire territory and resources; today, we have enemies who are not formal nation states and who care nothing about conquest but only destruction.

I freely admit that a good number of his supporters creep me out.

I don't think Ron Paul would be the best choice but he is a far sight better than the current occupant, though I suspect that this is irrelevant as I don't believe he has a chance to win the nomination.

159

Also known as the pompous Harvard asshole in the bar in Good Will Hunting.

There were two pompous Harvard assholes in that bar in that movie.

160

 Not being an economic souper-genius I can't say whether or not a return to a commodity-backed currency is the right thing or even possible at this time, but I would like our government to behave as though our currency were commodity-backed and stop debasing the dollar.

For a time, we did have a "Volcker standard" and a "Greenspan standard", both of whom as Fed chiefs were said to make decisions to raise or lower interest rates based upon what gold and other precious metals were doing. A "sort-of-gold standard".

But it looks like Demunist fiscal policy will overwhelm that and Bernanke is throwing in the towel. Perhaps he is legitimately afraid of deflation, but I'm betting on stagflation.

161 I'm sorry if some  libs think that we should pull our troops home, but they are just massively wrong. It cannot happen unless/until we become completely free of imports. Until then we have to protect world shipping. If not us who?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at April 14, 2010 02:02 PM (W6mpX)

That explains why we need a good navy, but I will need more elaboration on why that requires foreign army bases that are not there for the purpose of supporting current war operations.  And since China is building war ships, why not let them look after their own trade interests?  The Europeans should be quite capable as well.  And the Russians.  Besides - we still have a massive trade deficit, and aside from energy (and that's debatable) we don't import anything we can't make ourselves (albeit at higher cost).  Some minor trade disruption might not be all bad.

Let someone else police up the world.  I don't fall into the Ron Paul crowd, but our current levels of military commitments around the globe are probably unsustainable.  Remember how Reagan killed the USSR - he forced them to spend so much on their war machine that it bankrupted them.  Let's not do that to ourselves.  Keep the nukes in top working condition, develop missle defense, keep up anti-terror operations.  Aside from that, worry about our own soil.  We could use a few divisions on our souther border - we're being actively invaded through it at this very moment.

162 They probably confused him with Paul Ron, a guy who drives a red 1984 Bronco and services the filling station condom machines around Big Spring, Texas.

163

Also known as the pompous Harvard asshole in the bar in Good Will Hunting.

There were two pompous Harvard assholes in that bar in that movie.

Posted by: Zimriel at April 14, 2010 02:14 PM (9Sbz+)

So, the one without the tits and English accent...

164 I don't think Ron Paul would be the best choice but he is a far sight better than the current occupant, though I suspect that this is irrelevant as I don't believe he has a chance to win the nomination.

Yes, Whacko RP would be better than Obama because his foreign polocy was what made him such a bad candidate.  But his foreign policy is turning out to be the same as Obama's except he would not go out of his way to piss off our allies and suck every commie dictator's balls.

And we would have someone in favor of reducing government.

165

Barack Hussein Obama 47%

Barney the Tapeworm 46 1/2%

Too dumb/drunk/fucked out to care 6 1/2%

166 Hey! What about me?

167 "In a match up between Ron Paul and Barack Obama, who would you vote for?"

I would vote for Obama.  Then I'd go home and drink myself unconscious.

Hey, at least that way his failures would have "left-wing" written on them.

168 I would vote for Obama.  Then I'd go home and drink myself unconscious.

Posted by: sandy burger at April 14, 2010 02:33 PM (MT+0i)

That's exactly what happened when I voted for McCain.

169

Yes, Whacko RP would be better than Obama because his foreign polocy was what made him such a bad candidate.  But his foreign policy is turning out to be the same as Obama's except he would not go out of his way to piss off our allies and suck every commie dictator's balls.

Exactly, I hope the clowns above who claimed that "Ron Paul would make them vote for Obama" read Vic and think hard.

That said, obviously we can do a far cry better than Crackpot Ron Paul in 2012.

But those here who are denigrating him domestically had better understand why the Bushyrovie polls plummeted. McCain, for all of his Maverickyness, turned out to be no better than the Bushyrovies--same Hispandering, same entitlements, same old same old.

170 I would vote for a ham sandwich if that's what it took to replace Obama.

But I will never, ever vote for Ron Paul.

171 Curmudgeon:
But those here who are denigrating him domestically had better understand why the Bushyrovie polls plummeted.

Of course I understand it.

But electing somebody who flirts with racism, anti-semitism, and conspiracy theories is poison for America.

Look at what conspiracy mongering does to critical thinking in the Middle East.  Look at what identity politics do to the American left.  There is no way, no how I will ever vote for anybody who flirts with these poisonous ideas, and Ron Paul most definitely does.

172 Ron Paul is a cynical, lying, thieving hypocrite with mental problems.

His supporters are the dull of wit, pothead slackers, and ignorant children who suck up all the crap he spews.

In a real election, Ron Paul couldn't beat "Margin of Error" . . .

173 The point of this poll is easy to see: Even Ron Paul might take down Obama in 2012! So if Republicans are smart, they would pick the candidate that best suits the conservative/classical liberal values that the party is supposed to represent. Don't outsmart ourselves by trying to pick the candidate that is the suppose to cause the least amount of waves, that the media will like the most, or the establishment likes. That is how we ended up with McCain in 2008, and G.W. in 2000, whose incompetence led the GOP into the wilderness in the first place. If you want a real leader, if you want a real conservative, don't let the wimps in our party pick the candidate! That is the point of this poll. Don't be afraid to go with a Paul Ryan "type" (if he runs it would be nice), and stop this Huckabee & Romney nonsense. Of course if they ended up as the choice of the GOP I would vote for them against O, but in the end they won't get this country out of the mess we are in. Don't be afraid...even Ron Paul, yes insane, CIA hating Ron Paul can win....

174

I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but how could any conservative possibly vote for Obama over Paul? 

 

175 how could any conservative possibly vote for Obama over Paul?

Because I don't want the label "right wing" associated with a colossal American failure.

176

Because I don't want the label "right wing" associated with a colossal American failure

G.W. Bush

 

177

 Bonesaw at April 14, 2010 04:16 PM (ZgcbL)

NOT EVEN CLOSE.

178 We're behind you all the way, Ron.

179 Sorry, I'm still not convinced that there's a better candidate than Paul.

But I'm open to suggestions.

180 Ron Paul is crazy.  He believes that a free society has the greatest potential for prosperity.  What a kook!

181 "RACIST!!!!!!!!! RACIST!!!!!! RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11"

You guys are hopeless.

182

I'm ambivalent about Ron Paul. But he is not a racist. About 25 years ago, a member of his staff published an opinion piece of his own in Ron Paul's newsletter without Ron Paul's permission, and for which Ron Paul apologized profusely at the time, and for which he has since apologized on several other occasions, also.

So to hold that against him is disingenuous, mean and petty, and a stretch, also. Ron Paul is perhaps a wee bit eccentric on foreign policy. But he seems to be a decent guy, more conservative on some domestic issues than many Republicans are, and he sticks to his principles, unlike some Republicans, also. I don't always agree with the man, but I respect him. A racist? That is bullshit.

183 Thank you for clarifying that, Dianne & Brian. I can see people calling him crazy and a kook as they are loose terms and he's an old man and they dont agree with him completely. But a severe term like "racist" should not be used so lightly with no explanation, as the lefties tend to use it.