1 Purge the RINOs now.  We aren't going to get the Senate this time, anyway.  

2 All that flaky crazy shit just makes her a Democrat.

3 Who cares about this? No repugs are gonna win anyway because I have a new Twitter campaign that's going to get all my fans to vote democrat, we're goin' viral, you feel me? oh yeah.

4

Dolt? 

Shouldn't be a problem.  Will fit right in.

5

If she wins the General, the activists can say "We told you so."

If she loses the General, the Castle folks can say "We told you so."

Either way, we will know which was the best approach.

6 #1 We CAN if you fucking look at the polls and voter enthusiasm-we lead in the likely voter model in 10 states: WA, CA,WI,CO,IL,IN,DE,AR,PA,ND Thats 10. Thats the Senate. But don't let facts get in the way of your mania.

7

So along with being crazy, she is a hyper sensitive, trouble making feminist as well?

Yeah this is a hill I want to die on.  Good grief.

8 #8 BUT SHE IS THE CONSERVATIVE! SHE SAID SO! SHE WENT ON RADIO AND TV! !!!!ELEVENTY!!!! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS, EVEN IF SHES A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE CANDIDATE AND WE ARE THROWING AWAY A SEAT! YOU MUST BE A RINO YOU RINO LOVING RINOER LIBERAL! OMGZ ACEOFSPADES = DAILY KOS! // Pretty close to the reasoned responses we had last night, hunh?

9 Ace, you forgot the disclaimer again.


This ad was paid for by the Republican National Committee

10 Jim DeMint has come out in support of her.

Anyone hear  from Alvin Greene lately?

11 According to the Club for Growth, in 07 and 08 Castle earned a 35% and 26% respectively.  In every year, Castle has had the most liberal voting record of any member of the 175+ Republican caucus.

Specter earned a 44% in 08.

Can't wait for Castle's party switch presser with Obama!

12 Every unemployed RINO is a victory.  Scorched Earth.  Rebuild on their dead bones.

13 I think we are now at the point where people have gotten emotionally invested and will just react to stuff like this with even greater support of O'Donnell. Because, like, she's being treated unfairly by the establishment and elites and cocktail-party circuit. Jeffrey Lord at the American Standard continues that grim tradition of spinning genuine problems as somehow being the creation of the ruling class who just wants to keep "good ordinary folks" down and all that stuff.

14

She is not the hill to die on.

She isn't worth it.

15

Eat A Dick Repugs!

and you wish your hair looked as good as mine.

16

If Castle wins the primary I refuse to vote for him in the general.

Simple enough?

17 Castle's Kinda-Kooky Vote for Cap-and-Tax.

18 might as well not run anyone in de.

19 If she were a Democrat, everyone on the right would be mocking her relentlessly.

20 This cocksucker Castle will be a Democrat by Thursday.

21 dick, I'm sorry, are you suggesting the lawsuit and quoted language aren't real?

22 I cannot wait for this to be over so we morons can start talking about boobies again.

23 Anyone hear  from Alvin Greene lately?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 13, 2010 11:13 AM (UOM4

No, but I hear he endorsed her as well.  Solidarity and all.

24

With the candidates they keep putting up, up there, maybe they should change their name to Delaunaware. Or maybe Delajustplainfuckingnuts. 

I don't know...  Just tryin to help.

25 Just pathetic: we have a chance to cast Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray out of the Senate, yet some "conservatives" want to send up a purportedly conservative doppelganger. In a blue state, no less. Oh, Lord. Cordially...

26 Is there EVER a hill worth fighting for?

Apparently not.

27

So along with being crazy, she is a hyper sensitive, trouble making feminist as well?

Yeah this is a hill I want to die on.  Good grief.

Posted by: Delta Smelt

 

Actually, we don't have much in the way of hills here.

In any event, I propose that we convert this here blog into an all-Delaware blog, at least for the primary! Let's make the fun we've been having last!

28 Lots of noobs chiming in with portents of doom around here.

29 Bring on teh crazee!!  At this point our federal overlords have gotten so fat that cutting the budget down to a reasonable size is not within the sphere of polite debate.  Insanity is the only thing that can save us now.

30 @ 3  I have a new Twitter campaign that's going to get all my friends to vote democrat

Yep, Justin -- you'll have the 13-year old vote locked up for the Democrats.  What?  13-year olds can't vote?  No prob.  We've got it well in hand.

31 Simple enough?

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 13, 2010 11:14 AM (7+pP9)

Yes very simple.  You couldn't care less about who chairs Senate committees in 2011.

32 #15 That and EVERY POSSIBLE NEGATIVE against her must be invented by this giant anti-O'Donnell machine. It's nauseating, like arguing with 9/11 truthers. They can't admit their premise absolutely stinks, but its not about it. oh, and if its castles intention to flip parties, because, you know, he is SOOOOO going to do that, why didnt he do it when it would be enormously advantageous to him- 2006, 2008- after which he would win the Dem primary in a walk for Senate? Specter did it when politically advantageous to him (he actually did it twice, once from D or R and then R to D)- Castle hasn't, once. Your argument is based on bias, fear, and a blind loyalty to an Edsel of a candidate, sorry.

33 We've spent a great deal of venom on Republicans who won't accept that they lost the primary and then run as something else.  Are you "purity" folks willing to support the Republican over the Democrat, whatever the outcome of the primary?  I am, but I hear a lot of "if Castle wins, I'll stay home" statements from your quarter.  What say you?

34

She is a sub for Hannity people. That means she is dumber than Hannity.

do we really need that in the senate?

35

I want some reparations...7 millions dollars...some hugs and kisses...and a lollipop....

 

36

It's like this:

We're lined up for an easy field goal to tie the game (elect a so-so Republican in a Blue state) and take our chances to win it (certain issues/votes) later.

Some players on the team want to go for a fake FG and the touchdown - win it all now.

If you try it, you better fucking make it. She better win the General.

37 Yes, Ed Anger, I'm talking to you.  If not, how are you better than Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, or Arlen Spectre?

38 >>>Is there EVER a hill worth fighting for? Yes. In case you didn't notice, most of the people (including myself) against O'Donnell also supported Rubio, Toomey, and Miller. Incidentally, this is the wrong analogy. It is not a question of a hill being worth dying over, as that suggests it's the fighters who want O'Donnell. In fact it's the people giving up who want O'Donnell. Everyone who supports O'Donnell quickly backs up their support with the statement that it doesn't matter if we win the seat or not and in fact maybe it would be better to NOT win it.

39

She is a sub for Hannity people. That means she is dumber than Hannity.

Not possible . . . and you're a great American!

40 http://tinyurl.com/6qvsrq

Purity of essence baby!

Keep the senate in democrat hands until we have a tidal wave of pure, unadulterated conservatives in each seat.

100 senators or nothing!

41

Delaunaware. Or maybe Delajustplainfuckingnuts. 

It's Delawhere?

I'm listening to WDEL talk radio right now. The PPP poll is energizing the Castle voters, most of whom really were Delunaware that Castle was in trouble.

42 she may SUE YOU just for blogging about it.

43 #43

I am so glad that I am not the only one who is irritated by that fucking moron and his "great American" shtick.

44 #36 Its not about winning in the real sense- hence the American-killing stupidity of a 30 DeMints ONLY against 70Dem senate. its about "being right" and other bullshit abstractions. Is it based out of a feeling of alienation against a party that has abandoned them?Yes, so the anger is understandable. But doing nothing practical does nothing to stop Obama. They don't care about winning this cycle. Since they don't care, their whining on an election is about as useful as Code Pink Protestors- loud, annoying, and useless.

45 When did Mark Levin become the Grand Inquisitor of the conservative movement?

Look, if William F. Buckley kicked you out of the movement, you were out. If Mark Levin tries to throw you out, you should just laugh and go back to what you were doing.

46 O/T:  I love this ad, who is this guy?

47 Castle garners an F from the NRA and Gun Owners of America.  He hasn't earned anything but a 0, F, or F- from a pro 2nd amendment group since the early 90's.

I wonder what his first bi-partisan vote presser with Obama will be about....how wonderful the new VAT Tax will be for America?

48 34 Simple enough?

Posted by: Ed Anger at September 13, 2010 11:14 AM (7+pP9)

Yes very simple.  You couldn't care less about who chairs Senate committees in 2011.

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 13, 2010 11:17 AM (A0VTZ)

But losing is FUN!

49

I am so glad that I am not the only one who is irritated by that fucking moron and his "great American" shtick.

Don;t forget my trademark fake laugh!  Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.

50 Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 11:14 AM (KUUXH)................................................................ You can make fun of it all you want, that's certainly some of what's going on here, but doubling down on the attacks isn't going to help Castle any, so your side just ends up looking as incompetent as you claim O'Donnell to be. And that's what's really going on here, the attacks made people look negatively on Castle. He had a ten point lead two weeks ago and the only thing that's occurred in the meantime is the smear campaign against O'Donnell. You guys want to blame the "true" conservative crowd, but the reality is, you're the ones who blew it.

51 I am not going to re-comment on this hit job from Neocon central.

In fact, this is my last comment on the Castle-O'Donnell race. I agree with the other site that posted all talk about it was banned because all it did was create flame wars.

The primary is tommorrow, positions ar hardened to where they are going to be. That is it.

52 Castle is a 2nd Amendment Squish.  Fuck him in the ass.

53 Without mentioning the word "win", what reason is there to vote for Castle?

As I said in the last thread, Castle ran a shitty primary campaign.

54 Liberals and tea baggers marching hand in hand trying to put the same name on the GOP !!

55 Scorched earth, baby.  Nice blow for unity.

56

She is a sub for Hannity people. That means she is dumber than Hannity.

do we really need that in the senate?

Wow you must not be A Great American.

57 she may SUE YOU just for blogging about it.

Posted by: beelzebub's burp at September 13, 2010 11:21 AM (I+7Zv)

No kidding.  I'm sure we are all causing her distress, and only because she is a woman.  A pioneer, fighting against the patriarchal rinos.

 

58 Ace, you really missed it last night. The ODonnelltards were on a screaming rampage about how AoS is now a liberal site, because we don't accept a fraud wrapped in a Palin book cover. We MUUUST be liberals or RINOs because we don't support a paranoid lunatic. Nevermind we backed Miller, Buck, Angle, Toomey, Rubio, and on and on. None of that matters. Its like a very badly made Venn Diagram where you are either in the circle of madness or outside in the wilderness of evil.

59 Hoping for an invite on the cocktail circuit, Ace?  I know you don't have any now, but a fellow can dream, can't he?  Seems to have worked out well for Ms. Parker.  Keep up the good work.  I'm sure the Castle campaign/RNC establishment are making no overt promises, but anyone can recognize a reliable team player when they see one.

How was BlogCon?  Make any good connections?

60

 Is there EVER a hill worth fighting for?

Apparently not.

Yes there is. Joe Miller was. Pat Toomey was in 2004 primary against specter.

There are so many reasons to not vote for O'Donnell

1.She can't win.

2. She is bat shit crazy

3. She is incompetent

4. She can't win.

5. She can't even handle minor scrutiny from the right

6. She can't win

7.  Shet is bat shit crazy

8. She can't win.

So what if she would vote with conservatives 100% of the time, she can't vote jack when she isn't in the senate.

Delaware is a BLUE state. It is one of those states where we need to take what we can get.

To the people who say all or nothing, get ready for a lot of nothing.

She isn't worth it. She says she is a conservative, but does seem to live or act like one. 

61 O'Donnell wouldn't even stand out from the herd if she was in California, where being batshit crazy is a prime requisite for holding public office.

"...enormous pain, cried frequently at the sense of personal loss and failure caused by ISI, and at the sense of injustice, and could not sleep at night, often wide-awake, replaying the whole scene in her mind, until 5:30 am, and has suffered from understandable and resulting depression." Yep. Batshit crazy.

For some reason, Rash Fatblob, "Angry Kermit the Frog" Levin and the Divine Sarah are overlooking some serious strangeness just because O'Donnell is mouthing "conservative" principles. I doubt they -- especially Palin -- would be so tolerant if she had a penis.

That doesn't exactly send a good message to conservatives.

What next? Will she sue Congress when someone there makes her feel a "sense of personal loss and failure?"

I don't know a thing about Castle. But this would push me to vote for him, no matter what her stated positions on serious issues might be. Shit, it might even make me vote for the Democrat, which ranks high up on my list of personal no-nos.

I'm glad I'm not in Delaware.

62 Sounds like she was mistreated, got really pissed, and came back swinging.  What's not to like about that?

63 Delaware Chicks - seriously, they are NEVER a good idea. Been saying this since 1987.

64

She is a sub for Hannity people. That means she is dumber than Hannity.

do we really need that in the senate?

Wow you must not be A Great American.

heh.

the thing that is killing me is i like Mark Levin and i think he is just all in on her because she is friends with Hannity.

65

Full of win!

Homegirl is like the Al Sharpton of the conservative movement.

Pass.

66

63 Hoping for an invite on the cocktail circuit, Ace?  I know you don't have any now, but a fellow can dream, can't he?  Seems to have worked out well for Ms. Parker.  Keep up the good work.  I'm sure the Castle campaign/RNC establishment are making no overt promises, but anyone can recognize a reliable team player when they see one.

How was BlogCon?  Make any good connections?

Wow, and I thought I was bitter.

67 Thank goodness. I was just thinking this Delaware crock-o-shit needed another good stir.

68 ODonnell will be the poster child of the MSM , if she steals this with her campaign of lies. They will probe all her bull that is clearly itemized here today,, and splash it all over to make fun of other, well qualified Pubs. ODonnell is a poor candidate, she will run a bad campaign. She will start fights in other districts, and she will not turn out enough voters to win. DE will be Obama country... happy?

69 Christ, when "RINO" means anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone with less than a 110% "Conservative" voting record, isn't it time to admit that the RINO card is as maxed out as the race card.  The people arguing for scorched earth and purity and "principle" are either children who have never really had to deal with the compromises the real world demands of all of us every day, or worse, children who think politics isn't the real world at all.  I have been right "in principle" and my boss wrong on countless occasions, but since my creditors demand real money at the end of the month rather than self-serving testimonials to my greatness and integrity, I end up compromising.  The same goes for every relationship with every woman I've ever had.  Grow up. 

70

 Sounds like she was mistreated, got really pissed, and came back swinging.  What's not to like about that?

yeah, she sounds like the girl who goes to a frat party, gets black out drunk, has sex with some guy, regrets it a week later after people make fun of her, and then reports a rape in an attempt to save face.

Sounds like a hell of a person.

 

71 I enjoy being called a RINO for expressing the most modest of skepticisms of O'Donnell's ability to win.  Apparently consideration of electoral reality means one is no longer a Republican (despite never having been one in the first place).  Way to win friends and influence people.

72 Dear Ms O'Donnell In regards to your recent lawsuit: Blow Me. Yours Sincerely, Gary.

73 Yeah, I'm convinced she's a real champion of conservatism who'll work hard for tort reform.

74

40 Yes, Ed Anger, I'm talking to you.  If not, how are you better than Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, or Arlen Spectre?

Posted by: pep at September 13, 2010 11:19 AM (YXmuI)

Heh. I'm not voting for O'Donnell either. I don't live in Delaware.

75 Yeah MikeinAmman!

76

yeah, she sounds like the girl who goes to a frat party, gets black out drunk, has sex with some guy, regrets it a week later after people make fun of her, and then reports a rape in an attempt to save face.

 

I love girls like dat!

77 RINO hit job.  Wow, Mike Castle's people are seeing the same polls we saw last night--or worse.  And they are doing what scared RINOs do when they see the ship is sinking. 

78 this guy Ace is showing me something.  Wonder if he is committed for the '12 elections?

79 77 Dear Ms O'Donnell

In regards to your recent lawsuit:

Blow Me.

Yours Sincerely,

Gary.   But first you will blow ME!

80 You can make fun of it all you want, that's certainly some of what's going on here, but doubling down on the attacks isn't going to help Castle any, so your side just ends up looking as incompetent as you claim O'Donnell to be. And that's what's really going on here, the attacks made people look negatively on Castle. He had a ten point lead two weeks ago and the only thing that's occurred in the meantime is the smear campaign against O'Donnell. You guys want to blame the "true" conservative crowd, but the reality is, you're the ones who blew it.

Posted by: martha stewarts left nipple

 

This. It's not like she's gotten better. it's not like she's put out more signs.Those have actually been dissappearing.  Though Castle signs just started appearing last week. I just saw the first mailer this weekend. But she's now getting endorsements, and there's been a load of negative ads and attention.

This is looking here like a party that was trying to hold a coronation and was interrupted. This isn't new for the Delaware GOP; it's actually the norm in this little hole. But the national attitude this year is very different.

What isn't different is the general electorate here.

81 As to the lawsuit, you're a day late and a dollar short on reporting on it, Ace. And to the rest of you ladies, she's a head in the polls and will win the primary. Fkn deal with it already.

82 Beck has a clip of Piven not vociferously condemning violence as the Left demands the Tea Party to.

83 It seems to be ever the case that when we need a sensible non-kooky common sense conservative to run, we get these peculiar people stepping up.  Hayworth and O'donnell being just the latest examples. Maybe it's because kooky people are deluded enough to think they can win while a rational person knows better than to try.

84 Hoping for an invite on the cocktail circuit, Ace?
Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 11:23 AM (Fwb9h)

This should get a name like Goodwin's Law and people whom employ it should automatically be declared the loser of the argument.

85

I enjoy being called a RINO for expressing the most modest of skepticisms of O'Donnell's ability to win.  Apparently consideration of electoral reality means one is no longer a Republican (despite never having been one in the first place).  Way to win friends and influence people.

Those kind of questions are the first symptoms of RINOism.

 

I am as right wing as almost anyone here, but this scrunt can't win. She is a terrible candidate. Take ideology out of it for a second and just consider electability.

86 Sounds like she was mistreated demoted, got really pissed had her eggshell-thin skin abrased, and came back swinging curled into a fetal position and filed a frivolous lawsuit.  What's not to like about that?

87 This ODonnell person sounds like some of the gals Bill spends time with...

88 I've watched RINOS and done "compromise".  It means bend over and we'll let you make payments on the K-Y.  I want them all out of Government.  Every last fucking one of them.

89 Is this really the best place and best time to make our stand for a deep red Senate?

Shock and awe is the only way to stop a totalitarian Washington.

90 19 If you have conservative principles, the primary is EXACTLY where you stand up for them. IF you lose, THEN you worry about holding your nose and voting for the winner. If you don't believe you can win with a conservative message in a state suffering from its highest employment in decades, then you might as well stop calling yourself conservative. Not unlike the CA GOP.

91 Well except I recall that Miller wasn't that sure a thing, by your lights, and as the NRSC and the Murkowski campaign contined to try to fix the election, you were pining for the fjords,  nowwhat you have to understand about RINOs and the the DIABLOs subset, is that they don't care about principles, they will sign on to some garbage like McCain/Feingold or the DSCLOSE act, because it sounds good, the consequences of such a decision are never considered.

92 There is an election. You have Smeegal, and a literal swollen bag of rotten meat and Del Taco diarrhea. But but but that giant bag is wrapped with the word conservative. We don't think Castle is great, we dont even particularly LIKE Castle. But to rally around an absolute disaster and to call it anything but what it is...lunacy. But keep calling us all RINOs or part of the machine. This isn't They Live, your sunglasses are making you see things because of the bad acid.

93 I see this campaign against O'Donnell (the same accusations, by everyone at once) as analogous to the campaign against Boehner (the same accusations, by everyone at once).

The word went out from on high:  PROTECT OUR GUY.

94 CRAP. I have GOT to remember to turn off my sockpuppets.

95 yeah, she sounds like the girl who goes to a frat party, gets black out drunk, has sex with some guy, regrets it a week later after people make fun of her, and then reports a rape in an attempt to save face.

So now you're calling her a lying whore.  Yes, rise above the fray.  Your sterling example shames us  all.

96 17 "Eat A Dick Repugs! and you wish your hair looked as good as mine." Stuff it punk. You've got squat. As for the rest of you.... Suck it, bitches.

97

 I see this campaign against O'Donnell (the same accusations, by everyone at once) as analogous to the campaign against Boehner (the same accusations, by everyone at once).

The word went out from on high:  PROTECT OUR GUY.

or maybe, just maybe, it is a contentious race, and major issue in the party, therefore all republican leaning blogs are talking about it.

p.s. I hear the jews got phone calls to leave the message board before this hit.

98 And to the rest of you ladies, she's a head in the polls and will win the primary. Fkn deal with it already.

Posted by: Moi at September 13, 2010 11:28 AM (Ez4Ql)

Oh I'm dealing with it.  Preparing for Senator Coons!

99 Is filing a lawsuit for inappropriately using your employers resources a conservative thing to do, I wonder?

Does expressing that thought make me a RINO?

100

So now you're calling her a lying whore.

Well whores get paid. She was looking to get paid, right? Seems apt to me.

101 16

She is not the hill to die on.

She isn't worth it.

Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2010 11:14 AM (wuv1c)

Maybe, maybe not, but I just sent her $20.

Dear GOP, quit handing us shitbirds like Mike Castle and we can stop having these kinds of discussions. I'll take my chances, but Castle will still be unemployed.

 

102 Castle is so darn SMART & SANE that he scored in the 20's in 05, 07, and 08, with the American Conservative Union.

Can't wait till his presser with Obama touting the passage of a carbon tax!

103 I agree that this will hurt Castle, if he wins. You have already weaken him as a candidate, getting his turnout down in the general.. Happy? ODonnell is not going to win. She is not a closer.

104

I'm glad the primary is tomorrow. I like watching peoples' heads asplode as much as the next guy but this is getting tedious.

105 Shock and awe is the only way to stop a totalitarian Washington.
Posted by: Valiant at September 13, 2010 11:30 AM (UKSRV)

Yeah, letting the Democrats win a seat they had written off that will really show those bastards who is boss!

Of course, who those bastards actually are isn't quite clear but the hell with clarity, we got some anger to vent!

106

 There is an election.
You have Smeegal, and a literal swollen bag of rotten meat and Del Taco diarrhea. But but but that giant bag is wrapped with the word conservative.

We don't think Castle is great, we dont even particularly LIKE Castle. But to rally around an absolute disaster and to call it anything but what it is...lunacy.

But keep calling us all RINOs or part of the machine. This isn't They Live, your sunglasses are making you see things because of the bad acid.

EXACTLY!

I don't care for Castle, but Castle winning is better than Coons winning.

And she isn't a freaking conservative just because she calls herself a conservative.

107 Diogeneslamp - We do sometimes get a good candidate anyway though - See Miller in Alaska. The problem is that a lot of people we'd like to see run against say, McCain, won't because even in a good cycle its not a sure thing that they can win.

108 As you said about ODonnell before.  Way to keep it classy.  

 

Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2010 11:30 AM (m2CN7)

Crazy is relevant is it not?  Stability, cool under fire, and all the rest translate into selling well with voters and winning elections.

Notice how Allen Keyes has never won anything?

109 Good to see you all show your RINO colors when the going gets ugly.  You are the problem.  RINOs must be punished and eliminated. 

110 Oh look!  I get to be Senate Majority Leader for two more years!  Thank you Purity Republicans!

111 The only real question is do you move to support the winner of the primary?  RINO or nutbag, is that shit over once it becomes a Democrat who might keep Harry Reid calling the shots, or the candidate you didn't like in the primary?  Do you want the Dems or the GOP controlling the Judiciary committee (which will have a lot more ramifications than dipshit Mike Castle or squirrel-bait O'Donnell as 1% of the Senate)?

112

Why are we spending so much time on this one race?  What is it about this particular race that's captured the blogger's collective attention?  There are 33 senate races this year.  We're spending about half our time on one.  PRIMARY.

The world may never know.

113

She is not a closer.

PUT THAT COFFEE DOWN!  Coffee is for closers!

114

Delaware Chicks - seriously, they are NEVER a good idea. Been saying this since 1987.

OH SNAP - orchid, you went there.

I got fired from a job once. I called about ten of my friends for about six hours telling them all my sad tale. Then I applied for unemployment. I hung out doing fun things for a week or two, then I went and got another job.

I guess that makes me a RINO.

115 She'll be another Michael Steele if she gets in.  Imagine the hilarity that will ensue if she doesn't get the committee assignment she wants from the GOP leadership and she pulls another claim of gender discrimination.

Guys, she broke her employer's rules and paid the consequences.  Then, she used an attack against her conservative employer that played straight into the liberal meme of conservatives being sexist pigs. 

She'll be a terrific senator. 

116 Anyone donating a dime to ODonnell should match it with a donation to a candidate who ACTUALLY HAS A SHOT OF WINNING- like Angle, Buck, and others. I am more irritated with just the sheer level of waste to prop this nutcase up and energy blown to help her in the primary- money and energy better served to help Angle in Nevada.

117 Jim in San Diego?? You haven't had a conservative there in how long??? CA is so blue it is midnight blue, and you want to tell other states how to vote?? Clean up CA...is Whitman one of those nasty RINO'S too?? I guess you want the rest of us to enjoy Boxer some more, and give the D's another vote in DE? Stupid.

118 My name? My name is Fuck You.

119 Oh look!  I get to be Senate Majority Leader for two more years!  Thank you Purity Republicans!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 13, 2010 11:34 AM (8AyDn)

Wrong chamber, Nan.

120 Good lord why would you want to give the dems ammo with this post?

121 i like Mark Levin and i think he is just all in on her because she is friends with Hannity. Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2010 11:25 AM

Ding, ding, ding. ^^^This^^^.

I too am refraining from any more comments on a race in a state I don't know between two candidates I don't know.

When the whole things devolves into a pissing match in which the ideological purists can only be snarky and hurl accusations of RINO-ness instead of supporting their candidate with facts that refute numerous public displays of nuttiness, there's no purpose.

Apparently, Delaware will be a loss for us no matter what happens.

122 This should get a name like Goodwin's Law and people whom employ it should automatically be declared the loser of the argument.

I think not.  He has already admitted that he has pulled this kind of stunt before for exactly the same reasons.  Normal people call that "using past experience to judge present circumstances".

123 119 Oh look!  I get to be Senate Majority Leader for two more years!  Thank you Purity Republicans!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at September 13, 2010 11:34 AM (8AyDn)

My God, it's full of dumb!

124

Is filing a lawsuit for inappropriately using your employers resources a conservative thing to do, I wonder?

Does expressing that thought make me a RINO?

Yes, yes it does. Please turn in your card and go join those of us who want a senate majority in the corner.

125 90 Hoping for an invite on the cocktail circuit, Ace?
Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 11:23 AM (Fwb9h)

This should get a name like Goodwin's Law and people whom employ it should automatically be declared the loser of the argument.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 13, 2010 11:29 AM (ycZcD)

GO FUCK YOURSELF DREW.

From some asshole (that would be YOU Drew) that throws around the accusation of "BIGOT" for anyone that's not on the gay marriage bandwagon, you have absolutely no room to talk. Assholes like you are part of the problem and not the solution.

126 Aside from her most generic of pronouncements, has anyone demonstrated any sort of conservative bona fides in favor of O'Donnell?  I keep hearing that she's more conservative, and she probably is... but prove it.

127 123. lol kallisto, I used to cruise the Pike and stare at roaches in the Charcoal Pit - I know from whence I speak. She's a CLASSIC example of a Delaware Chick I'm afraid. And there are a lot of mens here making fools of themselves over her . . .

128 polynikes - As pointed out, we don't have to insinuate that she is crazy, she basically claimed it herself as part of a lawsuit. Either A) She's telling the truth, and she is actually disturbed (hey, maybe she's better now) or (more likely in my mind) B) She lied in order to get a payout in a lawsuit - I seem to recall tort reform is usually near and dear to conservatives hearts to prevent exact this kind of thing.

129

128 My name? My name is Fuck You.

You see this watch?  This watch cost more than Christine O'Donnell's house!

130 ....Are you "purity" folks willing to support the Republican over the Democrat, whatever the outcome of the primary?
...Yes, Ed Anger, I'm talking to you.  If not, how are you better than Lisa Murkowski, Charlie Crist, or Arlen Spectre?

Heh. I'm not voting for O'Donnell either. I don't live in Delaware.

So then, no. 

131 This situation is, I would like to point out, Castle's fault.  If this tard hadn't gone into this thinking it was a coronation we wouldn't be here.

132

If Castle is too much of a RINO, so is Fiorina, Rossi, and Kirk.

Who needs 4 seats in a legislative body made up of 100?

133 I guess you want the rest of us to enjoy Boxer some more, and give the D's another vote in DE?

Stupid.

Posted by: ford sells volts at September 13, 2010 11:36 AM (Ki7fm)

So I can only talk if I live in a state that is red enough? Get bent. I'll send money to whomever I want.

134 My name? My name is Fuck You.

Posted by: Hell'sComingWithMe at September 13, 2010 11:36 AM (HdAS4)

Nice to meet you, Fuck You.  You know, Fuck You, you have an interesting perspective.  As a matter of fact, Fuck You, when ever I hear as sage and balanced and well-expressed position as yours from here on in, I will have Fuck You come to mind.  Thank you, Fuck You.

135 How many threads will there be about this race?   Seriously, this kind of stuff exposes the republican party for what it is.  But that's ok, you and the lib/dems just keep creating more independents.

136 Is this really the best place and best time to make our stand for a deep red Senate?

I thought the primary was exactly where we do this.  Remember?  Argue it out in the primary and get together in the general.  That's what we were told was a good strategy, right here on this blog. 

I look forward to Ace & Co.'s hearty endorsement for her after she wins the primary. 

137

Aside from her most generic of pronouncements, has anyone demonstrated any sort of conservative bona fides in favor of O'Donnell?  I keep hearing that she's more conservative, and she probably is... but prove it.

+1000000000

Her saying she is a conservative is like when Democrats say they love america.

we just have to take their word for it, no matter how much evidence leads us to believe otherwise.

 

138

Get bent. I'll send money to whomever I want.

Jim, can you send me a few bucks?  Philly detectives make crap. 

139
_{watching patiently}

140 I thought the primary was exactly where we do this.  Remember?  Argue it out in the primary and get together in the general.  That's what we were told was a good strategy, right here on this blog.  

Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 11:40 AM (Fwb9h)

That

141 If O'Donnell wins they'll have to spend money in DE to keep the seat... money that won't be spent elsewhere in other tighter races.
Posted by: Gran at September 13, 2010 11:36 AM (xmjMj)

No they won't.

It will be a safe Democratic pick up. It will be as easy for them to win against her as it would have been for Castle to win before all of this.

Well played guys. Well played.

142 Hoping for an invite on the cocktail circuit, Ace?
Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 11:23 AM (Fwb9h)

This should get a name like Goodwin's Law and people whom employ it should automatically be declared the loser of the argument.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 13, 2010 11:29 AM (ycZcD

TOTO Tactic: The Only True Outsider

 

143 O'Donnell implied she was taking master's degree classes at Princeton University in 2003.

I wouldn't know her specifics. Was she taking ANY classes at Princeton?

There ARE instances when a specific "graduate course" permits seniors to take when provided with the instructors' permission.

144 150

Get bent. I'll send money to whomever I want.

Jim, can you send me a few bucks?  Philly detectives make crap. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:41 AM (zgZzy)

Your site is down.

145

Why are we spending so much time on this one race?  What is it about this particular race that's captured the blogger's collective attention?  There are 33 senate races this year.  We're spending about half our time on one.  PRIMARY.

The world may never know.

Posted by: Truman North

 

No. Sales. Tax. That's why.

Seriously, if O'Donnell wins, this race becomes one of the ones that the Dems will try to defend. They may not defend everywhere, and they may be forced to cover or abandon incumbents, but this offers them one of the best chances for retaining the seat.

1. Numerical voter registration advantage

2. Higher than national average favorability rating for Obama

3. People here, including some Republicans, actually like Biden.

At the very least, they'll have his sorry but hanging here, abusing his office. She would need big money, heavy hitters and a decent organization to hope to pull this off. And the local GOP here would have to do a 180 to make anything happen.

146
Kinda-kinky lawsuit... hmm... let me read on... wait a minute.. not another Delaware thread... runnn!

147 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:41 AM (zgZzy)

Detectives in NY make mega bucks.

148 Christ on a crutch, just end it already. There are bigger things to worry about.

149 You are right Jim, waste you money wherever you want, but Ace takes donations as well....just sayin' I can see that spending your money in CA would be a waste of campaign investment...so go ahead throw so money at Ms. ODonnell....she likes money according to her lawsuit.

150 161 You are right Jim, waste you money wherever you want, but Ace takes donations as well....just sayin'

I can see that spending your money in CA would be a waste of campaign investment...so go ahead throw so money at Ms. ODonnell....she likes money according to her lawsuit.

Posted by: ford sells volts at September 13, 2010 11:44 AM (Ki7fm)

I have sent Ace money too, ask him. Now when are you going to stuff yourself?

151 In what world does getting demoted, then fired, getting depressed about it for six months, and then filing a wrongful termination lawsuit make one a better conservative?

In what world does claiming to win counties that you didn't actually win make you a conservative?

Also, she filed the lawsuit herself?  What's that old axiom about a lawyer who represents himself at trial?

152

Detectives in NY make mega bucks.

Oh thanks.  Rub it in!  Our commish put a stop to all investigative OT.  Because we're the ones who out Philly in the hole, obviously.  (And Jim, I was kidding.  Don't send money.)

153

gonna be alot of folks scratching at the fleas they get from lying down with this dog ...  she can't win the general with her crazy baggage ...  the Dems will tear her apart from Wed til the election ...   the purity police have a scalp and thats all that matters ...

after the Miller win every pundit/wanna be "leader" has been looking for another longshot to back and they found it in O'Donnell ...   

Pundits will not lead this revolution no matter what they say ...  the Tea Party movement doesn't want or need leaders, they are doing fine without them ...

This movement started with one non political commentator on TV making a point and has grown exponentially since then ...  the pundits trying to become the leaders of this movement are simply trying to get in front of the power train they think will come after Nov ...  they are wrong ... you can't lead this movement ... 

Riehl and Levin are simply trying to gain prestige as the backers of a longshot winner ...  the only problem is that winning a primary is not winning the general and winning the general is all that counts ...

we can have a dozen RINO's in the Senate ...  if the GOP takes back the Senate then they won't be voting on liberal bills they will be voting on conservative ones and that is what counts ...

I've noticed that many RINO's will vote Yes with Dems on Dem bills but also will will vote Yes with the GOP on GOP bills ...

 

 

154

Jim, can you send me a few bucks?  Philly detectives make crap. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:41 AM (zgZzy)

A thankless job if there ever was one. God love you.

155 Why in the hell have a primary then.  You sound like a whiney bitch because your selected guy is having a tough time convincing conservatives to support him.
Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2010 11:38 AM (m2CN7)

Well, he ain't my guy because I don't like him.

Still, I don't think that gives a kook like O'Donnell or a guy like Levin to lie and/or (to be more charitable) repeatedly misstate his record to make him look even worse than he is.

Getting conservatives to support Castle will be a hell of a lot easier to do than getting most non-conservatives to vote for O'Donnell in November. I know there are folks who don't like to admit this but...conservative base voters aren't a majority of the general electorate.

156 O'Donnell worked for Pakistan's ISI secret service?

You'd have thought that "ISI's conservative philosophy dictated that women must be subordinate to men," would have been a given when she signed up.

157 Well whores get paid. She was looking to get paid, right? Seems apt to me.

Nice!  The opposition, even in your own party is not just wrong.  They are evil and must be destroyed.  And because she is a woman, calling her a whore is a great way to go about it.  Lets not argue the issues and where the candidates stand.  Pshaw!!  Let's just call her a whore.

Pathetic.

158

A thankless job if there ever was one. God love you.

Thanks.  It's never boring.

159 It doesn't matter if O'Donnell wins; it only matters that Castle loses.  Castle is the same thing as a democrat.  And, we will have one less RINO to contend with in 2012.    

So what if she's nuts.  As if she'd be the only one.  Besides, all she has to do is run her mouth on Fox and vote the way Miller, DeMint, Angle, and Rubio tell her to.  How hard can that be? 

I'm a deep water sailor just in from Hong Kong.  If you give me some whiskey, I'll sing you a song!    

160 167

Jim, can you send me a few bucks?  Philly detectives make crap. 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:41 AM (zgZzy)

A thankless job if there ever was one. God love you.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2010 11:45 AM (+FkcS)

but if you moved to NY you can be loved way more.

161

If you are going to reference someone with a non-sequitur at least know how to spell their name. 

Oh noes! I misspelled his name.

Is crazy relevant?

What do you think of the lawsuit?  Is this a sign she is unstable? 

 

 You're classy also.

You are passive aggressive. 

162 @152 
152 I thought the primary was exactly where we do this.  Remember?  Argue it out in the primary and get together in the general.  That's what we were told was a good strategy, right here on this blog. 
Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 11:40 AM (Fwb9h)

That

Both of you-please answer the question posed in 142.

163 I thought the primary was exactly where we do this.  Remember?  Argue it out in the primary and get together in the general.  That's what we were told was a good strategy, right here on this blog.  


Yes, but part of that argument must include whether the candidate can, after winning the primary, win in the general. 

164

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:45 AM (zgZzy)

I was born and raised in the 15th Precinct, W/E. Good luck out there....

165 Delaware Chicks - seriously, they are NEVER a good idea. Been saying this since 1987.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 13, 2010 11:24 AM (SB0V2)

 

If this some idea of a joke? If not, you've just said something pig ignorant about my wife and two daughters.

166
It's laughable to think DE is even winnable. You guys acting like Castle is a shoo-in need a dose a reality.

167

the Dems will tear her apart from Wed til the election ...  

I've been listening to DE media this morning, the Dems are positively drooling over the PPP poll.

168
polls shmolls

fuck the polls

169

but if you moved to NY you can be loved way more.

Shut.  UP!

170 Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 13, 2010 11:45 AM (zgZzy)

not rubbing it in, know so many people on the job I'm an expert at telling you where to go so that you will be monetarily appreciated,

171 Are either of them wholly or partly Canadian?  The only way I can decied between the two of them is to vote against the one who is more Canadian.  Because Canadians are all spies sent here to destroy our concept of Bacon and wreck our system of football.

172

These O'Donnel clowns gotta be Demoplants.  Republicans can be pretty damn stupid, but surely not this stupid. This woman is a disaster.  She has not values aside from what pours out of her mouth that will get her what she wants.  O'Donnell = Crist.

173 I agree that this will hurt Castle, if he wins. You have already weaken him as a candidate, getting his turnout down in the general..

Happy?

But your attacks on O'Donnell won't do the same thing when she wins?  I see people here busting on Castle because of his positions and his votes.  I see people here busting on O'Donnell because "she's a whore". 

174

Nice!  The opposition, even in your own party is not just wrong.  They are evil and must be destroyed.

And Ace is not just wrong, but opposing your candidate because he's a sell-out looking for a gig, right countrydoc?

175 If it's to be nose-holding that's the order of the day, maybe (and this is a suggestion, not a litmus test) conclude that Delaware's gonna suck either way, and put at least some of the resources behind Angle in Nevada.

Why Angle? Because Bloomberg just came out for Reid, and one of the conditions of Mikey Shortshanks's support is to be reliably anti-gun. Details at National Gun Rights Examiner (my apologies, I don't have time to tinyurl the URL right now).

The Lairds of Fairfax, towers of courage that they are, punted Nevada (dunno how they can scare the membership with "Majority Leader Schumer" any more after Bloomberg endorsed Reid), so Angle (whatever baggage she has, she'll be a better senator than the Schoolmarm).

Just a thought. Castle and Angle (or O'Donnell and Angle) is better than either and Reid, and neither looks to be worth much on their own respective hooks. Tough call.

176

Both of you-please answer the question posed in 142.

Posted by: pep at September 13, 2010 11:47 AM (YXmuI)

I don't live in Delaware, so it's moot.
I won't attack him, is that like supporting him?

177 And yeah, I capitalize Bacon, like I capitalize every other important word

178 From now to 2012, we just need to stop the Dims and give as much power as possible to the Republicans. So we know who (ie, RINOs) to primary for 2012. An O'Donnell win scares the RINOs, who are afraid of losing their do-nothing jobs. Always a good thing. They will vote our way. However, a Senate win possibly gives us the ability to set the agenda and make BO's obstruction evident to the public at large......unless the RINOs go along with BO....again we know who to primary. Guys like Castle remind me of Specter. O'Donnell is a flawed candidate. But I think in the realm of pure power politics, and that's what conservatives have to show this cycle, that we have the power. You go with O'Donnell.

179 I think there are many trolls on here collecting stimulus money. DE is in play thanks to a cluster---- of RIHO "s ...Republicans In Hate Offense

180 OT: Rahm Emmanuel may be running for mayor of Chicago, according to The WSJ.

181 Aside from her most generic of pronouncements, has anyone demonstrated any sort of conservative bona fides in favor of O'Donnell? I keep hearing that she's more conservative, and she probably is... but prove it.

Well according to this she's against masturbation. So I guess that's an uber-conservative position.

But not probably not too popular around the HQ though.

182 Who's destroying party unity?  (And adopting James Carville tactics.)

183 I'm pretty simple-minded, even for a moron, but it seems to me there's a paradigm here to agree on when we're faced with a choice in a primary between a RINO and a gen-u-wine conservative:

If we're sure to win in the general, choose the conservative (see also Alaska; Murkowski).

If we're sure to lose the general, choose the conservative (repudiates the RINO and sends a message).

If the general is going to be close, choose the most conservative candidate who is likely to give us the best chance of winning (this explains many California races).

When the general comes, vote for whoever is the R, despite his flaws (to all the people who refuse to vote for an R because he doesn't pass your purity test, thanks for giving us Obama).  The philosophy of "let the Democrat win so we can rise from the ashes" is not a viable strategy.

184 By supporting O'Donnell, her supporters affirm their own snow-white purity.

Kinda like the white-guilt folks who voted for Obama.

It's all about them.

185
I think some of you know deep down this November won't be the landslide everyone is predicting and you're already preparing your finger-pointing and blame game.

We're on a roll with Tea Party-type candidates but some of just can't let go of the old losing ways.

186 Just curious but are Dick Armey and Matt Kibble, the guys who run FreedomWorks, nothing but filthy RINOs since they refuse to support O'Donnell?

187 Getting conservatives to support Castle will be a hell of a lot easier to do than getting most non-conservatives to vote for O'Donnell in November.

So why the hell hasn't Castle done it?  Castle has basically acted like he just going to win the primary because it's his right.  He is the genesis of all the problems here.

188 But not probably not too popular around the HQ though.

Posted by: Mætenloch at September 13, 2010 11:51 AM (vfNQj)

A woman who is sue happy, plays the victim card, and hates masturbation.  Sign me up!

189 ODonnell AND Castle are losing to the Dem by 16 and 18 points according to the latest PPP poll. So for the jackasses that are saying vote for Castle because he's the only 'electable' choice, get another argument because that one is on fire. I'm in TX so I can't tell you yankees what to do, and both choices suck. I think I'd go for crazy over any so-called Repub that has such a shitty CFG rating, during the primary. Then vote for whoever wins.

190

A woman who is sue happy, plays the victim card, and hates masturbation.  Sign me up!

 

If she hated masturbation she wouldn't go and be so hot!

191 I don't care what O'Donnell's lackeys think of me anymore than I do what Castle's lackeys think of me. And I am sure they could give a rats ass what I think as well. O'Donnell sounds like an EDP and Castle is a RINO, which one does the DE GOP want as their candidate?

192 Kinda like the white-guilt folks who voted for Obama.

It's all about them.

Posted by: Glaucon at September 13, 2010 11:52 AM (mP9Rx)

Yeah. It's. Just. Like. That.

There is no difference between us.

193 Like Jacobsen in the link, I've been disgusted with the "nuts and sluts" message from the Castle camp (and their influx of OTT O'D haters) for a while now.  *This* is the best they've got to win over conservatives?  His impending primary loss is his own arrogant fault.

194 I think we are now at the point where people have gotten emotionally invested and will just react to stuff like this with even greater support of O'Donnell.

We're at the point where we are sick of RINO sellouts who do nothing but screw us. We're sick of being told the Republicans will make it better to watch them sellout their principles and make it worse, which then leads to bigger socialists making it even worse.

This is a reaction to the Republican establishment giving us the finger for years, then pretending to be our friends in election years.

195

If this some idea of a joke? If not, you've just said something pig ignorant about my wife and two daughters.

Come on, Blue. You're from Noo Yawk. You know the pecking order:

NY mocks Philly mocks NJ mocks DE. It's no thing. Now it's your turn to say something rude about Philadelphia women.

And then I will sue you.

 

196 Castle's BI-PARTISAN votes:

Impeachment investigations for Pres Bush for "lying" about Iraq.
Sanctuary cities.
Defunding missile defense.
Drivers licenses for illegals.
No-confidence vote against the surge.

Can't wait for Castle's presser with Obama, endorsing him for 4 more years!

197 This is the year of the "to thine own self be true" vote.  You can't predict the "to thine own self be true vote", you can't poll for the "to thine own self be true vote",, you can only sit and watch in amazement....

Nassau County.....OMG mangano won, he won!!!!

198 @189
I don't live in Delaware, so it's moot.
I won't attack him, is that like supporting him?

No, but it's better than attacking him.  Unless you haven't expressed an opinion on the 3 I mentioned, which I very much doubt, why aren't you equally obliged to support the Repub candidate here?  It cuts both ways. 

199 Hey Wyatt; Philly detectives do have the benefit of being immortalized by W.E.B. Griffin though!

That last book was pretty good too.

200 This just shows how desperate the RNC is for one of "their" candidates to win. They've turned into the "Buggy Whip" Committee. All of their tactics are 100 years old and useless unless you are a Mennonite.

201 Look, anyone who believes and lives by polls, especially in the conservative domain, is a FOOL.  What sort of idiots answer personal questions posed by complete strangers calling from CallerID-blocked phones?  Leftards, mostly.  Seriously, WTF?  Live and vote by what is the right thing to do and or WHAT WILL WORK.

202 Sorry Ace, but if I had to choose, I'd throw out Castle.

A guy who can't break 60% support for the party he supposedly represents is a major power-broker in a close Senate.

IMO, the last thing we need are more RINO power-brokers.

We don't need control of the Senate this cycle. I think it has been argued at least to a draw on the merits of a weak Senate majority populated by RINOS, vs a strong Conservative minority in the Senate with the prospect for more gains in '12.

We expect to have control of the House, which should be all the buffer we need to defang Obama's agenda, and demonstrate a set of principles for further gains in '12.

I don't have a vote in Delaware, so my opinion matters little. But I'd look at people like McCain & Graham and Specter and Jeffords and ask you to remember how often you have hated yourself "the morning after"?

If being a liberal means never having to say sorry, being a conservative to me means never having to regret your vote for opportunistic career politicians.

I think those of you who are hell-bent-for leather to have a Senate majority are letting yourselves forget just why the Republican brand was in the shitter last couple of cycles.

I think you are emotionally tied to the prospect of giving the left the what-for, to salve just how badly you felt the last couple of cycles.

I think we are better than that when push comes to shove. Yes, we'd all love the instant gratification of taking control of the Senate as well -- but at what cost?

If we learn nothing else from the Left's march through the institutions, it must be that an ideological war is one that spans many elections, and many generations, with many individual battles.

You do not have to win all the battles. For the sake of our country, we must win the war.

Ideological wars are not won in single elections. But they can be significantly derailed by single elections where a minority set of principles is given much larger influence over the majority platform.

When these sorts of people must be feted just to get them to not torpedo critical legislation, you risk watering down that legislation to the point that it leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth and accomplishes little if any of what it set out to do. When critical legislation fails, it counts against the movement - not against that little egomaniac with disproportionate power. Witness: John McCain et al.

203

ODonnell AND Castle are losing to the Dem by 16 and 18 points according to the latest PPP poll.

True, PPP claims that Coons is moving up on Castle in the polls. That is at variance with Rasmussen's numbers, and also with...TADA!...intrade.

204 I started my political life in South Carolina, working for Carroll Campbell when he first ran for Governor against Mike Daniel.  I have spoken at length about Conservatism with Gov. Campbell (now dead), with Henry McMaster, SC Attorney General (and my landlord for a time), with Lee Atwater, and with Jim Demint.  I have a serious question for some of you: can you name any conservative politician who has ever promoted the strategy of willingly giving up an elected office, at any level, in order to "send a message?"  This is not snark.  I can't imagine any of the men above giving that advice, but maybe some of you know a prominent conservative who would. 

205 @205 Penfold, shush.

Not because there's anything wrong with what you said -- I just couldn't resist. Sorry.

206

What are you a freaking psychiatrist?

Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2010 11:53 AM (m2CN7)

What are you a spelling bee champion?

A guy (are you a guy?) who makes a point of correcting my spelling of Allen/Alan, dodges my point entirely, and goes on to sarcastically call me classy is passive aggressive.  A very feminine trait.

Forget it.  I came at you in good faith to discuss the issue, you chose to be a little turd.

207 O'Donnell's supporters are just so principled and pure.  Better than the rest of us.  They know RINOs are filthy, impure, corrupt and corrupting.  Taboo.

208 Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2010 11:52 AM (FkKjr)

Seriously?

You simply don't accept the fact that Delaware is A FUCKING LIBERAL STATE!

Win all the conservative votes in the state and you'll get about 20-30% of the vote. And that's it.

Congratulations. That's a brilliant plan.

209 If you want to improve the national Republican leadership then you must purge the most liberal members of the party.

210 It's instructive to note that Rahm Emanuel is the one who got Obama Care passed.  How did he do it?  By supporting less then reliable Democrat candidates.

For example Ben Nelson.  Recently Nelson has joined with Republicans to oppose climate change and other issues.  But they got Obama Care because of him and some Blue Dog Democrats.

The bottom line is is that you can't write legislation if you don't control the legislature.

211 There are almost certainly sockpuppets here from TP and SSP.  They've admitted as much on their sites.

We have some dumbass supporters just like the other side.  The ones who don't realize that their dumb as rock myopic support group barely constitutes 25% of the country.  The same ones who'll cry about shit that passes by an additional vote or two when they've cost it. 

Two points to the things stated above.

Ace post was paid from by the RNC? hahaha, says the Dan 'grease my palm with a lincoln and i'll give you a HJ' Riehl 'consultant' fellater?

And yeah Castle might be a train wreck on guns.  Just like Casey Jr is a trainwreck for them on abortion or Tester is a trainwreck for them on guns.  But at the end of the day, he will vote with republicans on other issues.  Some Coons will never do even while he's being sued by O'Donnell for going too manly on her when he spanks her in the general.

212

This race can not end soon enough.

 Posted by: Mallamutt

 

Amen.

213 Both of you-please answer the question posed in 142.

I supported McCain, so yeah.  Again, this is what a primary is for!

214 >>>This is a reaction to the Republican establishment giving us the finger for years, then pretending to be our friends in election years. You continue to misdiagnose the problem. The problem is that the country itself is not behind a true-red conservative agenda. It can't be implemented without people in office, and it can't be implemented without persuading a majority (or very close to one) of people to support a deep-red agenda. I don't see how people think we can just implement our agenda -- every bullet-point on it, no compromise -- with 30% support. Your frustration, as stated, is that the GOP is not the way you wish it to be. I think the real reason for your frustration is that the *country* isn't the way you wish it to be. What you call "selling out" one's constituents, I often call "listening to constituents." If your constituents themselves aren't deep red -- at least not a near-majority of them -- you have two options: Pursue the national conservative agenda against their wishes, or defer to actual voter desires. The Democrats did something like the former in ramming ObamaCare down our throats. I think democracy counts -- and more than ideology, too. I would say democracy is my highest bullet-point when it comes to ideology. I do not see Scott Brown as a "sell out" -- I see him as representing his mix of liberal and soft-conservative constitutents. And I do not see Mike Castle as a "sell out" for doing the same.

215
It's funny how the same crowd who's supporting Castle is the same crowd who were excited about Michael Steele becoming RNC chair and the same crowd who were wetting their pants when Rush said he hoped Obama fails.


You'll come around on Castle, too, and realize we're right. But these arguments are getting tiresome. You'd think you'd start listening to your betters, by now.

216 @Bevel Lemelisk

No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE.
If you don't start courting the general voting population early you will suffer for it.  Castle assumed the easy path and swerved left because he wanted to ensure he would win the race.

O'Donnell is too fucking stupid to engage in such thought, much like a good chunk of her supporters.

217 Focusing on O'Donnell's politics:  what are they?  Prove she's a conservative.  Seems to me that filing lawsuits for wrongful termination (and sounds like rightful termination) isn't very conservative.  Railing about masturbation isn't very... heh.  Accusing anyone and everyone that expresses criticism as being jackass RINOs (the Levin piece) or on the take for Castle (http://www.wgmd.com/?p=9496) or wanting onto the cocktail circuit (that guy earlier who attacked Ace) isn't exactly a happy, conservative warrior or attracting such following. 

Won't bring up the GAY  attacks since she totally didn't GAY condone those GAY rumors at GAY all.

218

No. Everyone here knows I won the AOSHQ spelling bee championship.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, AOSHQ Spelling Bee Champion at September 13, 2010 11:59 AM (OWjjx)

And then you made your son a sammich.  Heh.

219 @ 131 Good lord why would you want to give the dems ammo with this post?

Oh, like they wouldn't have discovered it on they're own during all the opposition research they'll do if she wins this primary? They're gonna have a fucking field day with all her crazy shit.

220

214 Hey Wyatt; Philly detectives do have the benefit of being immortalized by W.E.B. Griffin though!

That last book was pretty good too.

Agreed.

221 If she loses the primary, she'd sue Castle.
If she loses the general, she'd sue the Democrats.
In her wildest dreams, she wins the general.
She would be for the Democrats what Al Franken is for Republicans.
Following a poor performance, the seat would go Democrat 6 years from now.

Question:

If O'Donnell were to be senator, who is willing to take her under the wing?

222 I have come to the conclusion that the choice in candidates is between 3 democrats so I will concentrate on other senate races.  I don't see the conservatism in O'Donnell other than she says she is, Castle is more likely than not to switch parties a la Spector.

223 @218

They're just flat out lying.  They actually don't have any principles.  Just blind idiotic thick headedness.

This is the last paragraph of the SSP post:

This race is too close to call and could certainly go either way Tuesday night. General election Senate numbers we'll release later this week make it clear the biggest beneficiary of this primary becoming so unexpectedly hotly contested is Chris Coons. He would start out with a large advantage over O'Donnell in a general election match up, and is polling closer to Castle than he was when PPP polled Delaware last month.

224 Has anyone done a poll on how many lefty votes Castle will pull away if he looses and runs third party?

225 "...nothing but filthy RINOs since they refuse to support O'Donnell?" It's amusing watching the He-Man RINO Hunter's Club go after everyone with less than a 100% ACU rating, which is EVERYONE in the Republican Party. There are real RINO's (Castle certainly fits the bill) who hurt the conservative cause when in office and then there are actual moderates (say, Scott Brown) who do more to help the conservative cause than hurt it. We're at the point where the term is totally meaningless.

226 And Ace is not just wrong, but opposing your candidate because he's a sell-out looking for a gig, right countrydoc?

Touche'.  Well played sir, very well played.  I concede that was below the belt.

227

If you want to improve the national Republican leadership then you must purge the most liberal members of the party.

But if they can't get elected, they will not affect the national  Republican leadership one bit.

228 Who's destroying party unity?  (And adopting James Carville tactics.)
Posted by: someone at September 13, 2010 11:51 AM

I've read the "Legal Insurrection" blog before, and the guy usually makes sense. But he's being a bit one-sided here.

Maybe the lefties use the "nuts and sluts" attack on Palin -- no "maybe;" they do -- but some of her supporters do the same in reverse, elevating her to a lofty pedestal with torrents of verbal fappery.

Read any Palin post on Tepid Air to see them in action.

Before we can attack the leftoids on this, we need to judge our own candidates and possible candidates, male and female, by a single standard: can they successfully apply conservative principles to their job?

Otherwise, we venture into Osama Obama "pants-crease" and "tight Levi's" territory.

229 The problem is these TRUE conservatives want power.  They don't care that the rest of the country isn't like them.  Rather than change the country rationally, as Ace says in 231, they want to ram their agenda down everyone else's throat.  They're much like Obambi that way, and they will run into the same wall he is running into. 

230 You simply don't accept the fact that Delaware is A FUCKING LIBERAL STATE!

Win all the conservative votes in the state and you'll get about 20-30% of the vote. And that's it.

Drew, you left out that it's getting increasingly liberal as PA and NJ people move into Kent and Sussex counties and bring their voting habits with them.  Getting Castle elected keeps the state blue-ish purple for another 6-12 years, as opposed to navy blue indefinitely.

231

Since to begin rolling back Obamacare and the Obama agenda it is going to take either a veto proof majority in both houses or control of the Presidency, the house and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, if it were up to me I would go for the sure thing in Castle even though I am much more conservative than he is.  Regardless, the silver lining I am taking from the Delaware race is that maybe the fact that some Conservatives are willing to throw all caution to the wind in this race is a sign of how trully epic the Republican rout of Democrats will be in November.  If O'Donnell becomes the nominee, I hope either the gamble was worth it, or the Republicans pick up so many Senate seats over the next 2+ years that in the end it really doesn't matter.

232

If O'Donnell were to be senator, who is willing to take her under the wing?

Barbara Mikulski?

233

Amen.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 11:59 AM (R2fpr)

Yea, Blue Hen, particularly for you. Taken the phone off the hook yet to avoid the robocalls?

Posted by: Mallamutt, AOSHQ Spelling Bee Champion

 

I've been listening to them, out of morbid curiousity. They're going through about the full list of GOP 'luminaries' pushing Castle. Thus far, I've received one for O'Donnell (Sarah Palin). We talked, we laughed, we made plans, we talked about our future.....and then the recorded message started over.

 

But seriously, there's been lots of polling calls. If you look carefully on the latest PPP poll, I'm the 47,054th person from the right.

234 Now, where the hell did I put my Justin Bieber CD?

Posted by: Mallamutt, AOSHQ Spelling Bee Champion at September 13, 2010 12:03 PM (OWjjx)

Voting Dim this year huh?

235 >>>131 Good lord why would you want to give the dems ammo with this post? Good Lord why would you want to give dems ammo with this *candidate*? Oh wait, I see, you think if conservatives embargo it and keep it secret then no one will know about it. Right, because we control the media, just like Media Matters For America alleges.

236 Before we can attack the leftoids on this, we need to judge our own candidates and possible candidates, male and female, by a single standard: can they successfully apply conservative principles to their job?

Which is where Castle fails.  There is *no* excuse for Cap-and-Tax.

237 Nate Silver is doing fucking cartwheels because of you dumbasses.

Enjoy permanent minorities. http://tiny.cc/bd7v6

238 Castle is Arlen Specter.  He needs to be retired.  The seat isn't in play.  The Senate isn't a lock.  Clean up the team and keep plugging.  "Hold your nose and vote RINO" is a big part of what got us into this Hell as it is. 

239

Yea, Blue Hen, particularly for you. Taken the phone off the hook yet to avoid the robocalls?

Posted by: Mallamutt, AOSHQ Spelling Bee Champion at September 13, 2010 12:01 PM (OWjjx)

I'm down in Kent County, DE, and I'm not getting that many robocalls, actually.  Maybe 5 total over the past week.  None today or all weekend.

240

@Blue Hen -

All kidding aside,  it's lovely the way you stood up for your ladies.

241
Delaware -- 2008
Obama: 62%
McCain: 37%

2004
Kerry: 53.4
Bush: 45.8

2000
Gore: 55
Bush: 42

We're better off with O'Donnell.

242 Touche'.  Well played sir, very well played.  I concede that was below the belt.

Posted by: countrydoc at September 13, 2010 12:04 PM (Fwb9h)

Cool. Because, don't tell anyone, but I can see....both sides of this debate. Shhhh....Catch me on the right day and I'll be yelling about how I'd gladly lose with Newt in 2012 than win with a mushy type.

Plus, I really like Ace's site and his writing and don't want to chase him off. He seems to put a lot of thought into his stances.

 

243 I use Lava, not Ivory soap. One is pure; one actually gets the job done.

244 @ Ken,

I know, I know, the adults are still talking, I will go sit in the corner.

245 Just curious but are Dick Armey and Matt Kibble, the guys who run FreedomWorks, nothing but filthy RINOs since they refuse to support O'Donnell?

Just curious but are DeMint and Palin crazy whack-a-dos since they refuse to support Castle?

246 Blahhh on both of them. One's a RINO and one's a nut. Lose-Lose-Lose situation.

247 @countrydoc,

Nobody called her a whore. Someone used a rhetorical technique called a "simile."

But I'm calling you a dipshit because you got me to agree with DrewM, and I hate that.

248 Come on, peeps. "Operation Chaos." How much of the "purity drive" are just super-strident all-or-nothing conservatives, and how much of it is a bunch of astro-turfing trying to stir up conflict?

I'm too lazy to go track everybody down, but I'm seeing a bunch of new nicks on various sites pushing the "super strident" line - unfortunately new nicks kind of fits both hypotheses.

Either way, the whole "you sold out, cocktail parties, liberal KOS blah blah" line is freakin' tiresome. What are you folks, 12 years old? Get some new material.

And what's with the "let the dems own it" crap? How could someone look at the last four years of INSANE spending, Obamacare, industry takeovers, political corruption, and SUPREME COURT appointees, and NOT want to gain control of both houses as pretty much the first priority?

They "owned" it and we've just about lost everything. I don't think we can take another cycle of that kind of ownership.

249

"No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE."

Indeed!  And that means Abandon All Hope, Conservatives.

250 Has anyone done a poll on how many lefty votes Castle will pull away if he looses and runs third party?

ryukyu



I'd like to see a similar poll of the purples that have been crying "Castle o la Muerte!" Going to stick with Team Republican, or going to follow your boy off the reservation?

251 Castle's BI-PARTISAN votes:

Tax hikes, card check, pork bills, light-bulb bans, 10-commandment bans, drilling bans,  in-state tuition campaign-finance reform, TARP legislation,  Disclose Act, extension of McCain/Feingold to the Internet.

Doubling of S-CHIP, a “bipartisan” tax-dollar giveaway to Planned Parenthood.

Castle votes with Pelosi 72% of the time.

Can't wait for the MSM and Obama to boast how the climate change Republicans fended off vicious attacks from that fringe/extreme/marginalized Conservative Tea Party movement.

252 Just to point out, voters in Delaware do go full retard.  Every time.  It's the fucking BIDEN SEAT.

253 I do not see Scott Brown as a "sell out" -- I see him as representing his mix of liberal and soft-conservative constituents. And I do not see Mike Castle as a "sell out" for doing the same.

I'd agree. Brown and Castle represent their constituents, which is what it's all about.

The sad thing is that a worse than RINO legislator who promotes all kinds of unconstitutional bills into law won Goldwater's seat AGAIN--

/...THANKS TO ROMNEY.
"For now," Meghan fantasizes about becoming a plural wife.

254 Just to point out, voters in Delaware do go full retard.  Every time.  It's the fucking BIDEN SEAT.

Posted by: nickless

 

We like to call it, 'going Biden'.

255 272 Just to point out, voters in Delaware do go full retard.  Every time.  It's the fucking BIDEN SEAT.

Posted by: nickless at September 13, 2010 12:11 PM (MMC8r)

Everybody knows you never go full retard.

256

"No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE."

Indeed!  And that means Abandon All Hope, Conservatives.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Old Seat at September 13, 2010 12:10 PM (9zHDv)

Yup, and we all know how much Scott Brown mirrors DeMint & Coburn.

257

"It's amusing watching the He-Man RINO Hunter's Club go after everyone with less than a 100% ACU rating"

Uh, Castle's got less than 30%.  That's "everyone with less than 100%"?

The "He-Man RINO Hunter's Club" actually supported Scott Brown in a huge way, knowing he would be far from "pure".  That kinda completely blows away this particular narrative, but it's still funny watching it get blared all over this blog like it's dogma.

258 Castle votes with Pelosi 72% of the time.

I doubt that 72% percent of Delaware voters support Pelosi 72% of the time.

But then, I don't know.

259

Brown and Castle represent their constituents, which is what it's all about

 

I fail to see how supporting cap and trade represents Delaware, except for the sad fact that there are people here (as in other places)  willing to legislate other people's jobs out of existence.

260

271 Castle's BI-PARTISAN votes:

Posted by: pam at September 13, 2010 12:10 PM (h8R9p)

  Pam's making a pretty damn good case here. Read it again and let it sink in.

261 PPP Poll from 8/7

Chris Coons (D): 35
Mike Castle (R): 48
Undecided: 17

Chris Coons (D): 44
Christine O'Donnell (R): 37
Undecided: 19
(MoE: ±4%)

262 "No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE."

Indeed!  And that means Abandon All Hope, Conservatives.

-Ted Kennedy's Old Seat at September



Indeed, you can never roll back the tide of Left-Liberalism.

263 or maybe, just maybe, it is a contentious race, and major issue in the party, therefore all republican leaning blogs are talking about it.

And they all happen to be saying the same things.  Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

Why, just this weekend, I found out that John Boehner is a chain-smoking, cocktail-swilling country-clubber.  Just so happened that every major media outlet decided to cover that.  At the same time.

264

I fail to see how supporting cap and trade represents Delaware, except for the sad fact that there are people here (as in other places)  willing to legislate other people's jobs out of existence.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 12:13 PM (R2fpr)

Um, maybe because the majority of people in this state are dumb shits who like the idea of increased government control?  Frankly, I'm baffled as to why Delaware's gun laws are so reasonable compared to Maryland or Jersey.

265

I just find it amazing how invested a lot of people here are in supporting a guy who's got a worse voting record than Arlen Specter.

You all say "Well, he'll vote with us at least 30% of the time, which is more than Coons would!".  Yeah.  Except that when you look at the record of the Specters, Snowes, etc., the problem is that that 30% is always on votes that were completely ours anyway.  They'll vote conservative when we've got more than enough votes anyway.  Whenever it's a -close- vote, they always, always vote with the Dems.  Their 30% votes are completely meaningless, because they're always strategically calculated to never actually make a difference.

 

266 8/5

Rasmussen:
Chris Coons (D) 37%, Mike Castle (R) 49%
Chris Coons (D) 46%, Christine O'Donnell (R) 36%

267

I fail to see ... -- Posted by: Blue Hen

You might recall that I'm impartial choosing the lesser of the two weevils, but leaning towards giving O'Donnell a shot.

Determining just how blue Delaware is, and specifically what the constituents' want done differently seems to be what each of the R-candidates should be highlighting alongside their own platform agenda.

All I hear about is the mudslinging.

268 I have now reached the point where, bluntly, I would just like to give Delaware back to England.

Bloody hell.

269 @Ted Kennedy's Old Seat

You didn't catch mama grizzly lambasting Scott Brown for his recent votes did you?

I guarantee tea party folks aren't Scott Brown fans anymore.  Mainly because he's the perfect example of how to build a working majority coalition that will advance conservatism.

270 Truman North@121:
"Why are we spending so much time on this one race?  What is it about this particular race that's captured the blogger's collective attention?  There are 33 senate races this year.  We're spending about half our time on one.  PRIMARY."

I fear this is really just a dress rehearsal for what's going to happen if Palin runs and gets some traction in the '12 primaries.  I predict that the savaging of O'Donnell supporters on the basis of "electability" will be nothing compared to what Palin supporters are going to get if she threatens the ascendancy of Mittens, the John McCain/Bob Dole candidate of '12.

271 tsoj, You are a fucking idiot paranoid cunt, you know that? I am so tired of your Loser's Vengeance mentality. It's all about getting back at the people you think are putting you down. Suck my cock you nutjob paranoid loser. I didn't get the "message" from anyone. Go fap your dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against you, bitch.

272 Stupid sockpuppet...

273

Folks, this is a plus for O'Donnell because Delaware voters have a history of voting for crazy people. Were talking about Joe Biden's seat here, JOE BIDEN. O'Donnell could have just stepped out of the insane asylum and be less crazy than him.

And, yes, Christine O'Donnell, if you are reading this, I love you and want to bear your children, or you bear mine, whatever it takes. I'm gainfully employed, moderately good looking, and will convert to the Catholic Church for you. If you lose this primary and need a shoulder to cry on, I'll be there for you.

Love,

Doofensmirtz

274 wtp

Conservatives want power to give you back your earnings and your liberty.

Obama wants power to take it from you.

How can you conflate the two?

275 Rasmussen:
Chris Coons (D) 37%, Mike Castle (R) 49%
Chris Coons (D) 46%, Christine O'Donnell (R) 36%

There it is.

276 But I'm calling you a dipshit because you got me to agree with DrewM, and I hate that.

Call me whatever pleases you, just don't bother reading the thread because that would be confusing.

277 Its f'in funny to be lectured by RINOs about "electoral reality" as they are on the cusp of losing yet another "in the bag" election.  Do tell!  You're the expert!

278 Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe O'Donnell WAS discriminated against? How do any of you know what happened there? Being a conservative does not mean you can't be discriminated against by other sexist conservatives ya know. On the weekly standard...How come they never call Obama a liar? How come John McCormack never calls Obama a liar? He only saves that description for Christine? TELLS ME ALOT. Odd huh? How anyone thinks you are going to scale back this government with people like Castle in there is beyond me. Brown was supposed to shrink government too and he votes for more regulations and new agencies to monitor our financial activities.

279 Frankly, I'm baffled as to why Delaware's gun laws are so reasonable compared to Maryland or Jersey.

Posted by: Hoss Fuentes at September 13, 2010 12:16 PM (tOCL6)

Tradition. See Vermont - socialist Senator, many blue local pols, CCW with no license needed.

There are also pockets of that tradition out West - many small mountain communities are packed with hippies but everybody has guns, kind of a bastardized hippie/old west tradition.

280 Rush currently yelling at everybody for "blowing it," using this race as an example.  Heh.

281 A bird in the hand beats a dodo in the bushes.

282

"No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE."

Indeed!  And that means Abandon All Hope, Conservatives.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Old Seat at September 13, 2010 12:10 PM (9zHDv)

And that's why the GOP there nominated a hardcore conservative like, um, Scott Brown to take the seat.

No compromise there! Why he's a veritable Jim DeMint.

283 I have now reached the point where, bluntly, I would just like to give Delaware back to England.

F that noise. Give us back to the Dutch (who I think ran Delaware for about a week between the Swedes and British).  At least that way we can get baked.

284 Is she a reasonably reliable conservative or not? If so, I'm all for her. If not, vote the imbecile Castle and move on to other states.

285 For all the supposed focus of O'Donnell and her supporters upon policies... seems the only thing they got is calling folks RINOs.  They don't really do much talking about her, her positions, or history.

286 Lets say Castle loses, and then O'Donnell loses the general. That will at the very least send a message to the GOP that they better vote small government or they will be booted in primaries. MESSAGE WILL BE RECEIVED LOUD AND CLEAR and only at the cost of one worthless rino who voted for cap and trade! Good trade off!

287 300 Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe O'Donnell WAS discriminated against?

How do any of you know what happened there? Being a conservative does not mean you can't be discriminated against by other sexist conservatives ya know.

On the weekly standard...How come they never call Obama a liar? How come John McCormack never calls Obama a liar? He only saves that description for Christine? TELLS ME ALOT.

Odd huh?

How anyone thinks you are going to scale back this government with people like Castle in there is beyond me. Brown was supposed to shrink government too and he votes for more regulations and new agencies to monitor our financial activities.

Posted by: Dan at September 13, 2010 12:22 PM (1jzSs)

No, no, no. Didn't you get the email? Stick to the story I put out....

288 Mike Bloomberg endorsed Reid??????

289 And they all happen to be saying the same things.  Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

- tsj017


I picture Darth Armey viewing his minions on the telescreen and force-choking anyone who fails him.

290 Those of you calling her Nuts.. 

Your democrat overlords thank you for doing their work for them: 


http://tinyurl.com/2dy5pxx


Other claims attribute to her the assertion that Castle supporters broke into her house in 2008, but O'Donnell never said that, she simply said in response to a question that she didn't know who did it.  This is the problem I have with the "nuts" defense; spin replaces facts, and once the image of the candidate is created in the public mind, there is no way to undo it.
--------------------------------------------

291 "Rasmussen:
Chris Coons (D) 37%, Mike Castle (R) 49%
Chris Coons (D) 46%, Christine O'Donnell (R) 36%

There it is"

Now, I'm not saying that's wrong.  I don't know, but isn't that an August 5th poll result?  Is there anything more recent?

292 >>>Has it occurred to anyone that maybe, just maybe O'Donnell WAS discriminated against? No. Her entire career is one of incompetence. Further, she was running a for-profit PR firm out of her office at a NON-profit job. That's grounds for firing.

293 How come John McCormack never calls Obama a liar? He only saves that description for Christine? TELLS ME ALOT.
Posted by: Dan at September 13, 2010 12:22 PM (1jzSs)

John McCormack is a RINO sellout?

You do realize this is the same guy who made Dede Scazzafava (whatever) cry and provoked Martha Coakley's goon into shoving him, right?

Now he's a sellout?

There's simply no pleasing some people.

294 My sacred honor compels me to admit that I fap to Ms. O'Donnells picture multiple times per day.

295 293 tsoj,

You are a fucking idiot paranoid cunt, you know that?

I am so tired of your Loser's Vengeance mentality. It's all about getting back at the people you think are putting you down.

Suck my cock you nutjob paranoid loser. I didn't get the "message" from anyone.

Go fap your dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against you, bitch.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 12:21 PM (KUUXH)

 

Eh...Ace, can you explian this again?...I don't think you were very clear in your messaging//

 

Yeesh.

 

296 The word went out from on high:  PROTECT OUR GUY.

Didn't DeMint endorse O'Donnell?

 

297 Hey!  We're... in Delaware!

298 It's pathetic to see O'Donnell supporters just flat out lying. 

In 2009 Castle had a 56 rating from the ACU.  He has a lifetime rating of 52. 

For comparison Joe Biden has a lifetime rating of 13 from the ACU.  And that's including his early more moderate years.

299 Lets say Castle loses, and then O'Donnell loses the general. That will at the very least send a message to the GOP that they better vote small government or they will be booted in primaries. MESSAGE WILL BE RECEIVED LOUD AND CLEAR and only at the cost of one worthless rino who voted for cap and trade!

Good trade off!
Posted by: Dan at September 13, 2010 12:24 PM (1jzSs)

Hey genius, you left something out of the equation....one more Democratic vote.

Right now we have 41 Senate seats. I guess that level of awesomeness allows us to toss back the chance to win in a state normally hostile to the GOP and conservatism in general.

"Good trade off!"?

I'd love to face you in a negotiation. I'd take everything you have and you'd thank me for it after we were done.

300 (pretends to walk around, gives up)

301 @poconoJoe

Castle opposed the Lilly Ledbetter pay act, which the ACU described as a “new PandoraÂ’s Box for trial lawyers.” He voted for a January 2009 bill that would prevent the Treasury from spending the $350 billion that remained in the TARP program. He opposed the Obama stimulus. He voted against efforts to water down legislation barring federal funds to ACORN or other organizations that employ people who have been convicted of election-law violations. He voted to eliminate the earmark for the airport near Johnstown, Pa., named after Rep. John Murtha. He voted to cut discretionary government spending in the appropriations for the Departments of Housing and Transportation by 5 percent.

He supported an amendment to the health-care bill that would ban using taxpayer funds to provide abortion services, an interesting vote for a self-described pro-choice Republican. He voted against the health-care bill.

(from NRO)

But yeah, let's put in Chris Coons and make the perfect the enemy of the good.

302 ace, so glad you you set me straight since you were there and know all the facts of the case. Come on buddy. None of us were there and have no idea what the whole truth is. That is hardly grounds for disqualification for a senate seat where outright theft is the norm.

303 Your democrat overlords thank you for doing their work for them:

Ok.  But so what?  All of us criticizing her are just RINOs, so that's expected.  Also... so what?  Losing the seat is acceptable, so long as it sends a message.

304 Posted by: Dan In two years when (most likely, but definitely if he goes too far Right) Scott Brown is replaced by a 100% Democrat-voting Liberal in the mode of Kennedy, Frank and Kerry who will stay in the Senate for decades, his value will be recognized. Until then we should enjoy having an (R) in the seat and hope that we can get the nine (?) seats we need before he's gone.

305 tsoj,

You are a fucking idiot paranoid cunt, you know that?

I am so tired of your Loser's Vengeance mentality. It's all about getting back at the people you think are putting you down.

Suck my cock you nutjob paranoid loser. I didn't get the "message" from anyone.

Go fap your dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against you, bitch.

Jesus, ace!  Too much caffeine, or not enough?

Check my posts in this thread (28, 100, 283).  Maybe a bit snarky, but hardly deserving of this level of vitriol.

"Fap my dick forever"?  Way ahead of ya on that one.

I'll let others decide if you protest too much.

306 Hey, we just got in an enormous order from Daily Kos.  Thanks guys!

307 DE is lost, no matter who wins in the end.

Repeat after me.
It just doesn't matter.  It just doesn't matter.  It just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter.

308 325, yes i am willing to do that. 51 senators with our band of RINOS that we all know and love will not stop Obama's left wing supreme court nominees and it will not shrink government.

309 I'd just like to say that I support DeMint on the basis of his name alone.  He sounds like a walking York Peppermint Patty, sweet and refreshing.

310 How come John McCormack never calls Obama a liar?

That's Wilson's line. Besides, did McCormack ever join McCain's refrain to besmirch Wilson's cojones?

311 Filly at September 13, 2010 12:34 PM

He's counting on that when he makes his potus bid.

312 @Guy Fawkes

Are you deliberately ignoring polls and other facts which make your posts absurdly stupid?

313 I really think complacency and a lack of conservative participation at the primary level has been the biggest problem for the last decade.  If our guys would have won the nominations, we wouldn't have had to hold our noses. 

Posted by: toby928

 

In truth, conservative participation  at the primary level in an otherwise blue state is the problem. If we canot shift the general electorate, then we should align the primaries to match that. Otherwise, we are sending out victims ans statements, not viable candidates.

I've said before that the GOP here should switch to an internal strall poll or caucus. The problem now is that they tried yet another coronation in the middle of a primary.

314

Sorry, I wandered away and have to get back to work anyway, but re Pam @296:

>Conservatives want power to give you back your earnings and your liberty.

>Obama wants power to take it from you.

>How can you conflate the two?

They also want to tell people who they can marry, what they can take into their bodies, and what they do with their bodies.  Not that there's anything wrong with their positions on these issues, per se, but the problem is THEY WANT TO USE THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO LIKE THEY PLEASE.  Not the sort of people the vast majority of Americans trust.  But hey, principles of smaller government be damned.  Let's all ram our heads into the wall one more time!

Also, don't see why I must absorb all that extra baggage to get my (well, actually more like my employer's taxes) reduced.

315 Vote for Castle..

Because we really, really want our leadership positions back.

It's not for the good of the country, that's for sure.

316 DrewM, So what if we win with Castle? That will not help us shrink the government and get our fiscal house in order ONE BIT. It will give some people chairmanships so they can buddy up with their lobbyist pals, thats about it. Yes and I am sure you would take all my money in a negotiation when you have no idea who I am or what I do lol. I still love your posts though

317 Posted by: tsj017 at September 13, 2010 12:32 PM



That doesn't even fly as an unapologetic non-apology for calling out Ace:

"The word went out from on high:  PROTECT OUR GUY."


Consider yourself the last straw, and remember you put it out there.

318 @Zombie

Are you deliberately ignoring the metal pole in your head and the stick up your ass which make your posts more absurdly stupid?

319 Is Drew M. turning into a version of me at AoSHQ? 

320 I hear there's no such thing as a lost race, or something.

321 Voted FOR the Democrat's
Mortgage Bailout (Round
One).

Voted FOR the Paycheck
Equality Bill

Voted FOR the 2009
omnibus bill that meant an
additional 8% increase in
spending, on top of the
stimulus 

Voted FOR permanently
raising taxes on businesses
while temporarily extending tax credits
on “green” initiatives


 

322 342 Vote for Castle..

Because we really, really want our leadership positions back.

It's not for the good of the country, that's for sure.

Posted by: Senate Republicans at September 13, 2010 12:37 PM (4uhuW)

This.

323

Jesus, ace!  Too much caffeine, or not enough?

Check my posts in this thread (28, 100, 283).  Maybe a bit snarky, but hardly deserving of this level of vitriol.

Exactly. Who are not team players? Who started throwing the mud?

In both questions, the answer is the Castle Camp.

Yes, we will all support him should he win primary.

But will he do the same should O'Donnell win, or will he be like Loser Lisa and have a RINO hissy fit?

324 @pam

Can you not post your things in giant letter and bolded.  It makes you look more insipid than you already have clearly made yourself out to be.

We get it.  Castle is a centrist.  He's not a good conservative.

He's a fuckton better than Chris Coons and you typical Delaware democrat though.

You're apparently too dumb to understand that and are more than willing to trade all the things he did vote correctly on just so that you can keep your purity rings on.

325 I've completely ignored this issue, not living in Delaware and whatnot.

But after reading through this thread, holy crap.  This issue is awesome.  People are totally freaking out here.  It's like a classic flame thread... only with extra authenticity.  I love it.

(On a more boring note, let me see if I grasp the issue here: there are two crappy Republicans to choose from, neither of which is particularly likely to win.  Is this a fair summary?  This is, like, new to me.)

326 If Castle wins the general, and even -a single one- of his "30-50%" conservative votes happens to be in a vote that wasn't already completely ours, a vote that -actually makes a difference-, I'll eat my hat.  His conservative votes will only happen when there's no danger at all of it changing the outcome.  Just like with Specter, the Maine sisters, etc.  Keep banging the "we want the chairmanships" line, cause as weak as a tradeoff it is for bearing the brunt of the damage this guy will do to our brand name as he votes Dem in every close vote, it's at least better than the "he'll vote our way 30-50% of the time" nonsense.

327 @Curmudgeon

yeah, because accusation of being gay, random floating party switch accusations and questioning his supporters loyalty is all kosher in your book

328

Ace, I disagree with your analysis about Castle.  I hope that you realize that this is a respectful disagreement.

I also hope you will respond.

One argument for Castle is that he will vote for us half the time, and Coons none of the time.  This isn't really true; Castle only votes for us half the time when the NRSC is promising him a Senate seat in return.  He voted with the ACU 26% of the time in 2008, and 35% in 2007.

However, even that is not the most important issue.

Coons will indeed vote conservative between 0 and 5% of the time.

More importantly, however, Coons will have a vote on the GOP leadership none of the time.  Castle will have that vote all the time.

You sound as if you think the GOP leadership--and which Republicans will be seated on which committees--is written in stone.

It's not.  These matters are chosen by the GOP Senators.  If Castle wins, he will have a vote in these matters.  And his vote will always be to the left.

This may not seem like a big deal.  Presumably, he will support Mitch McConnell, who although not really conservative is no Mike Castle.  But he won't give his vote for free either.  What if Mike Castle demands, in exchange for voting for McConnell and his favorites in the committees, a resuscitation of the "assault weapons ban" that is hugely unpopular with the GOP rank and file, and not even all that popular any more among independents and even many Democrats?  Do you want Mike Castle determining the issues that the GOP will be saddled with in future elections?

Mike Castle would arguably do less harm if he actually did switch to the Democrats.

329 Is this really the best place and best time to make our stand for a deep red Senate?

I don't really buy this. I do not think the people voting for O'Donnell are walking around with rose colored glasses thinking she will restore true conservatism or that she is some genius. I think this is about a referendum on the republican leadership in DE. There was only one reason to run Mike Castle this year and that's because it was easy. He wanted it, had the name recognition and campaign cash. It was easier not to buck the system.  It was a fundamental mistake for this election year. Mike Castle is a liberal and an incumbent and nobody seems to want that this year. The Dems, like Schumer, will win in their strongholds because no one will dare oppose them. But these fools in DE thought they would promote the most liberal republican in the House to a Senate seat and everyone would just sit idly by? In the republican primary yet? Have they been watching the news for the past 2 years? They should have strongly urged Castle to try to keep his House seat or retire. They could then have recruited someone like Brown or McMahon or Fiorina would would be only slightly less "moderate" then Castle but without his awful baggage and they would have cruised in the primary too. If you want to blame the loss of this Senate seat on anyone, if indeed it is lost, then the persons most responsible are the R leadership in DE. Without a Mike Castle there is no Christine O'Donnell.  I think the fact that the non-party endorsed candidate in the House race is also leading in polls for the primary is indicative of this dynamic.

The republican voters in DE have had enough of the leadership of their party.
This is just as much, if not more, about the leadership in DE Rs being too Blue than about the Senate not being Red enough. You can say "Not now" to them till you are blue in the face but it isn't going to do much good. They have been hearing that for 20 years.

330 ...Still waiting for someone to demonstrate that a O'Donnell win will be a definite victory for conservatism and shrinking government...

331 @sandy burger

read the polls. we're talking a moderate/centrist who is a pretty good bet to win versus a crazy purported conservative who has just about no chance

and Qwinn, its great that you'd prefer a guaranteed six year of shitty liberal as fuck votes from Coons over the alternative

332

Suing ISI is like suing your grandma because she got you teh Mercedes with black leather instead of creme leather.  Fucking ingrate.

ISI is a group that takes college kids and shows them that conservatives can be intellectuals, too.  Flies you out to the sticks of Michigan to hang out with a bunch of other proto-conservative smartass punk kids. 

Suing ISI is UBER creepy, and makes me firmly against this batshit crazy bitch. 

I was formerly completely uninterested, but after this, I hope she goes down in flames.

333

Pam just listed a number of things that add up to increased spending, and which refute the notion of fiscal sanity, whih is the one positive thing that they've been using here in Delaware.

 

He has opposed other spending and control grabs, such as Obamacare. But Pam's documentation should be what we are considering, instead of disgusting gay rumors, or unfounded rumors that Castle will switch parties.

 

Our problem here is that if we are going on electability, we efectively need to do what we've been doing; hold our noses, vote for Castle, and move on. And that is, and should be antithetical to how we wish to participate in public policy formulation.

 

And yet here, we must.

334

Wow...who pissed in all of your Cheerios this morning?

 

335

"and Qwinn, its great that you'd prefer a guaranteed six year of shitty liberal as fuck votes from Coons over the alternative"

Uh, way to completely ignore the only point I've made:  Castle's supposed conservative votes will only happen when everyone knows how the vote will turn out anyway.  When his vote will actually matter, when it's a -close- vote, he'll always vote Dem.  That's how Specter did it, that's how the Maine sisters did it, that's just the way it is.  Those 30-50% conservative votes are utterly worthless.

336

@Curmudgeon

yeah, because accusation of being gay, random floating party switch accusations and questioning his supporters loyalty is all kosher in your book

Oh really? 

337 Posted by: Dan at September 13, 2010 12:37 PM (1jzSs)

We're going to need 60 votes in 2012 to repeal ObamaCare. You might say Castle is iffy on that* but I'll take that over a guaranteed no from Coons.

I don't think the GOP has ever had a filibuster proof majority. If we are going to get one in time for the repeal effort, 2e need to steal some seats like this to have a shot at it in '12.

But by your own comment you're happy about throwing that away to send a message. Sorry, I can't get on board with that.

*He's not as iffy as Levin makes him out to be but with a guy like Castle you never know. Still better to have a chance to convince him to come on board than write it off with Coons.

338

One argument for Castle is that he will vote for us half the time, and Coons none of the time.  This isn't really true; Castle only votes for us half the time when the NRSC is promising him a Senate seat in return.  He voted with the ACU 26% of the time in 2008, and 35% in 2007.

However, even that is not the most important issue.

Coons will indeed vote conservative between 0 and 5% of the time.

THIS. IS. A. LIE.

His ACU rating in 2009 was 56.  His lifetime rating is 52.  He has made conservative votes under republican and democratic presidents and in minority and majority chambers.  Blankly asserting a lie only diminishes your credibility.

And you don't seem to understand how committee voting works.  As long as he caucuses with the republicans (which only O'Donnell supporters have circulated as a smear that he won't), the republicans and their leadership will get to choose committee chairmanships.  Meaning for example a Sessions on the Judiciary Committee.  Something vitally needed to prevent a bunch of Reinhardt's getting confirmed to appellate courts.

339 wtc

Oh, so stealing generations of your family's earnings, and our private healthcare, and a thousand other things....all gets thrown out the window because you (or whomever) want to "marry" their boyfriend?

Good grief.

Dressing up anal sex in flowery civil rights language, and creating a new "oppressed" victim status according to ones sexual habits, is thankfully a job for the States.  As is abortion.

Conservatives didn't start this fire....liberals did, conservatives are simply on defense on these issues.

340

...because ISI's conservative philosophy dictated that women must be subordinate to men.

Aye carumba.

341

Wow...who pissed in all of your Cheerios this morning?

 

Posted by: dananjcon at September 13, 2010 12:45 PM (pr+up)

F'real. I've cracked mt first beer already and it's not even 1:00 (it's my only day off in two weeks). It's too early for popcorn.

342 Oh, except once in a blue moon he'll swing a close vote to the conservatives, like, you know, actually funding the war, in exchange for the rest of the Republicans bending over on stuff like cap and trade or another gun ban.  Those do happen too, once in a while.  Course, if he wasn't there to be bought, another Dem would vote for the war because they don't really want -that- hanging on their heads in the next election, but it's easy for them to pretend, and get even more of what they want that way without any risk to themselves.  That's what infiltrators are -for-.

343

I don't really buy this. I do not think the people voting for O'Donnell are walking around with rose colored glasses thinking she will restore true conservatism or that she is some genius.

No, it's honestly not that. It's that we are tired of the RINO sellout treatment. See Hayworth, J.D. We understood J.D. wasn't sterling, but we were fed up with McLame, his bimbo wife and slut daughter.

344 wtp
what they can take into their bodies,
THEY WANT TO USE THE POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT TO FORCE PEOPLE TO DO LIKE THEY PLEASE.

From conservatives contrasted with Obama, you reference THEY?
That's Big-O preaching to legislate what you may and may not eat and drink, and RINO McCain legislating to prohibit nutritional supplements without an Rx, not conservatives. Don't forget, it's McCain who constrained free speech as well for years until the SCOTUS knocked down McCain-Feingold.

As far as forcing the government to become involved with marriage, that took the Left's aggression, THEY having already monopolized America's education system that mandates without parental consent the teaching of sexual activity and the "special status" homosexuals "enjoy" before the law, that we are no longer all equal under the law, perverting childhood not to mention inhibiting the legal stability of traditional families, granting the "state" authoritarian and abusive powers.

345 No one pissed in my cheerios, except for tsoj. I am so sick of the endless, retarded fucking "analysis" whereby not a leaf may fall nor a nut may take seed without some conspiracy of the "elites" against the "people." It's fucking retarded and it's usually insulting. No one told me to do anything, nor did anyone "suggest" I do anything, nor did anyone promise me anything. I am sick of people who are so fucking deranged with anger they feel compelled, and justified, at tossing insults about the integrity of people they don't even know, just because they're so unreasonably hateful against the entire world that common courtesy is no longer an ethic. I didn't insult tsoj or anyone. And in return tsoj tells me I'm part of the Vast Center-Right Conspiracy and I'm getting my talking points from the RNC. And he wasn't the first. Early in the thread some equally-deranged conspiratorial nutjob advanced the claim this post was "Paid for by the RNC." Well fuck you too, asshole.

346 @Qwinn

even in that scenario (which I disagree with, hell I can immediately point you towards certain appellate nominees where that wsan't true) having a republican who is willing to vote for other putrid legislation is better than having a dem because they can at least win concessions in the legislation.

It's exactly how Snowe held out her vote until they made it slightly more conservative.  Even marginal conservative concessions are better than the alternative of none.

347

And you don't seem to understand how committee voting works.  As long as he caucuses with the republicans (which only O'Donnell supporters have circulated as a smear that he won't), the republicans and their leadership will get to choose committee chairmanships.  Meaning for example a Sessions on the Judiciary Committee.  Something vitally needed to prevent a bunch of Reinhardt's getting confirmed to appellate courts.

Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE at September 13, 2010 12:48 PM (OKbxw)

The judge who just ruled that DADT is unconstitutional was appointed in 1999 by Clinton when the Rs had 55 seats in the Senate.

348

"I am sick of people who are so fucking deranged with anger they feel compelled, and justified, at tossing insults about the integrity of people they don't even know"

Sorry, Ace, but...

*reads the topic, and what Ace has said here and elsewhere about O'Donnell*

*laughs*

349 And that, by the way, is straight out of the leftist playbook -- never credit your opponent's actual stated reasons for arguing a certain way; insist his hidden reasons, his motivation, is illicit. For some jackass-bitches like tsoj, "elitist conspiracy" is the new "Racism." Did I insult him? No, I did not. Can I get my *stated* reasons for being against the flaky lawsuit-happy doltish O'Donnell credited as being my real reason? Or is it too easy and too fun to postulate I'm gettin' paid?

350 @Curmudgeon

First good job ignoring the smears the O'Donnell campaign has been running.

Secondly while Jacobsen is usually excellent, that particular post is awful.  Ace has actually documented the complaint itself.  Jacobsen immediately went to the Hillary sexist defense without any actual analysis of the complaint, despite the fact he's a lawer. 

I would love to have you or Jacobsen actually read this post and the complaint and come back to me with a straight face that you aren't skeptical of her complaints.  And we're not even touching on the fact that the lawsuit was for about 7 million dollars.

351 This thread needs DiT's painfully hot cheerleader pic from Saturday.

Posted by: toby928 at September 13, 2010 12:52 PM (S5YRY)

Go Bucks!

352 Voted AGAINST the 2008
Republican budget
resolution that would have made the Bush tax
cuts permanent, capped discretionary
spending.

Voted AGAINST reforming
the Endangered Species Act
Voted AGAINST a ban on
federal eminent-domain
seizures

Voted FOR spending an
additional $100 million on
Public Broadcasting

353

"It's exactly how Snowe held out her vote until they made it slightly more conservative.  Even marginal conservative concessions are better than the alternative of none."

Um, what?  If Snowe weren't a sellout, they wouldn't have passed that crap -at all-.  Holy crap, you call this strategy?

354

Posted by: pam at September 13, 2010 12:54 PM (h8R9p)

lol

Geezus, we get it.  You don't like Castle.  Back away from the big bold font!

355 382

"I am sick of people who are so fucking deranged with anger they feel compelled, and justified, at tossing insults about the integrity of people they don't even know"

Sorry, Ace, but...

*reads the topic, and what Ace has said here and elsewhere about O'Donnell*

*laughs*

Thats' funny right there, I don't care who you are.

356 Hey, Qwinn? O'DONNELL IS NOT YOU. Some of you people are fucking assholes. I say something mean about someone you got a crush on in the last week and you take it as a PERSONAL INSULT AGAINST YOU YOURSELF, apparently justifying personal insults going the other direction. So I can't point out this woman is lawsuit-happy and without apparently any sort of actual job history without inviting personal insults about my integrity? If Christine O'Donnell wants to come in here and insult me, she's permitted to do so, on the theory of "You did it first." You are not, and neither is tsoj. Idiots. Any justification will do for firing off your anger at a World That Done Ya Wrong.

357

What are the reasons to vote for O'Donnell, policy-wise? (Specifics, since we've already seen the same for Castle.)

358 Yeah, Dave C, it's "funny" but only to a confirmed retard such as yourself. Apparently I'm not permitted to note someone is unqualified for office without inviting insults about being on the take.

359 Again, what is conservative about suing a conservative non-profit group for using their resources?  What is conservative about lying about the numbers of counties you won in 2008?  What is conservative about accusing a radio host of being bought by Mike Castle?  What is conservative about saying Castle is gay or going to bolt the party if he loses?

How is an O'Donnell victory a win for conservatives, rather than just a win for O'Donnell?

360  bimbo wife and slut daughter.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 12:50 PM (ujg0T)

I resemble that remark!

 

361

No, it's honestly not that. It's that we are tired of the RINO sellout treatment. See Hayworth, J.D. We understood J.D. wasn't sterling, but we were fed up with McLame, his bimbo wife and slut daughter.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at September 13, 2010 12:50 PM (ujg0T)

Arizona is a different dynamic from a NE blue state. Most of the people in the NE have not had the opportunity to vote for a conservative candidate, in either party, with even a remote chance of getting nominated in many years. This is especially galling when the R's candidate is even more liberal on an issue then even the general populace of the state such as Castle with guns. There is no logical reason for Mike Castle to have an F rating from the NRA. Even being slightly conservative instead of moderate on the issue would not have hurt him in DE. The problem with Rs in the NE is not that they are too conservative to get elected, they aren't. It's that they are often far more liberal than they need to be simply because they think this will lead to an easy reelection.

362 No doubt in my mind that Castle will pull a spector if it fits his needs.

No doubt in my mind that O'Donnell is a paranoid who just thinks it would be cool to be a senator like alvin greene.

363 I like the cut of pam's jib and find her thoughts interesting.

364 No such thing as a lost race.

365 And in return tsoj tells me I'm part of the Vast Center-Right Conspiracy and I'm getting my talking points from the RNC.

Really?  Here's what I posted:

28 Is there EVER a hill worth fighting for?

Apparently not.

100 I see this campaign against O'Donnell (the same accusations, by everyone at once) as analogous to the campaign against Boehner (the same accusations, by everyone at once).

The word went out from on high:  PROTECT OUR GUY.

And they all happen to be saying the same things.  Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

283 Why, just this weekend, I found out that John Boehner is a chain-smoking, cocktail-swilling country-clubber.  Just so happened that every major media outlet decided to cover that.  At the same time.

And that led to . . .

293 tsoj,

You are a fucking idiot paranoid cunt, you know that?

I am so tired of your Loser's Vengeance mentality. It's all about getting back at the people you think are putting you down.

Suck my cock you nutjob paranoid loser. I didn't get the "message" from anyone.

Go fap your dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against you, bitch.

Honestly, that's something I'd expect from DU or Kos.  You're better than that, ace.  Really.

366 Your guys are very to good. Maybe you would like to gucci hand bag?

367 If by Rudyard Kipling

368

"Hey, Qwinn?

O'DONNELL IS NOT YOU.

Some of you people are fucking assholes. I say something mean about someone you got a crush on in the last week and you take it as a PERSONAL INSULT AGAINST YOU YOURSELF, apparently justifying personal insults going the other direction."

Holy fucking hell.  Mind quoting for me exactly what "PERSONAL INSULT" I lobbed against you, Ace?

369 @Qwinn

Are you a fucking moron.  If we had a liberal from Maine in place of her what do you think the alternative outcome would have been.  Do you understand what the word marginal means.

Again we are talking about a DEEP BLUE state.  You wholeheartedly take a marginal improvement in a place like that.

and it looks like the last remaining neuron in Pam's head blew its fuse

370

ace, your ISI check is in the mail.

yeesh.

Seriously, insulting this bitch for suing a quiet, diligent, and profoundly effective, hard-core, conservative organization (look up Russell Kirk, fer krissakes) is not only NOT part of teh milquetoast conspiracy, it's positively the most pro social-con thing ace has done in his whole fucking life.

 

371 Sorry guys, didn't know it was bad form to post in bold here.  So glad you informed me of this most important issue!


Voted AGAINST UN reform.

Voted FOR funding UN Population Fund.

372 I think democracy counts -- and more than ideology, too. I would say democracy is my highest bullet-point when it comes to ideology. I do not see Scott Brown as a "sell out" -- I see him as representing his mix of liberal and soft-conservative constitutents.

And I do not see Mike Castle as a "sell out" for doing the same.


We are in the midst of an electoral revolution, Ace.  The peasants are revolting.

There is a big difference between Scott Brown and Mike Castle - Scott Brown was not a DC insider.  Brown never served a term in the US House or Senate and he wore a barn coat and he drove a pickup truck during his campaign for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat.

O'Donnell is a political outsider without a Washington affiliation.  In a matter of a few weeks, she's gone from crazy nut to a threat to the Ruling Class.  She might win, and for the Ruling Class machine pols in a Blue Plantation state, the idea of a "bottom rail up"  revolt is just too upsetting to imagine, especially after the Murkowski defeat.

373 Michelle Malkin
September 13

On August 20, I endorsed Christine OÂ’Donnell for the Delaware Senate GOP primary race. As I said on Sean HannityÂ’s TV show last week in repeating that endorsement, she is certainly far from perfect (who is?). But I think nine terms  are enough for duck-and-hide, cap-and-tax liberal Republican Mike Castle — and it looks like GOP primary voters in Delaware are coming to the same conclusion as the primary looms tomorrow. I repeat: Entrenched incumbency is not an argument for more entrenched incumbency.

Castle’s campaign questions O’Donnell’s trustworthiness. GOP primary voters need to question Castle’s. He was just one of two Republicans to vote for the $26 billion Edujobs/BigGovJobs bailout a few weeks ago. He supported the TARP bailout that benefited many of his political donors. And he is the co-founder of the George Soros-tied Republican Main Street Partnership — which, as I reported in 2005, successfully pressured the House GOP majority to cave in to enviros on the ANWR drilling ban. The Republican Main Street Partnership PAC supports ACORN-friendly, Big Labor-backing, tax-and-spend, abortion radicals in GOP clothing like Dede Scozzafava.

This isn’t “Main Street.” This is the road to progressive hell. We already have one too many shady Soros Republicans in the Senate — and John McCain doesn’t need any more company.

As I noted a few weeks ago, the stakes are raised — not just for Delaware, but for the nation — in this race because this is a special election for VP Joe Biden’s Senate seat. The next Senator from Delaware will serve the remaining four years of Biden’s term. Which means he or she will be seated immediately after election and will be in place to vote in any lame duck Senate session. Cap-and-tax is on the table for this session. From his record and from his radical enviro associations, we know what Castle would do in the name of “Republican Main Street” values to screw over not only Delawareans, but all taxpayers.

Nine terms are enough.

374

I didn't insult tsoj or anyone. And in return tsoj tells me I'm part of the Vast Center-Right Conspiracy and I'm getting my talking points from the RNC.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. We all should know that Ace has always been "outside the tent pissing in", not vice versa.

375 Ya know that ZOMBIE fella must be a fucking genius, because his arguments include calling everyone else stupid, dumb, a moron or questioning fuses in peoples brains.

376 Hey dude? You just informed me that I was part of a coordinated conspiracy against O'Donnell. Why? Gee, apparently for the crime of Linking Confirmed Reportage in the First Degree.

377 Hitler's gonna be pissed if Castle loses.

378

...she's ANTI MASTURBATION!!!111!!!

 

379

Posted by: Mallamutt, Now with 60% Bigger Fonts

 

That font was bigger than the state.

380

Ah, Zombie, I see what you're saying.

You know what the difference would be?  The Dems would totally own their clusterf*ck legislation.  As it is, Snowe, and therefore the Republican Party, bears part of the responsibility.  You think no conservatives stay home as a result of that?

The "minor concessions" bought by Snowe were pathetic and hardly worth creating the impression among 90% of the conservative base that both parties are part of the problem.

381 Posted by: pam at September 13, 2010 01:04 PM (h8R9p)

It wasn't just bold, it was ten feet high. But I was absolutely dead serious about the newsletter.

382

Um, Ace, was this in response to me??

"Hey dude? You just informed me that I was part of a coordinated conspiracy against O'Donnell."

Seriously, SERIOUSLY, dude, please quote exactly where I even -remotely- suggested anything close to that.

383 >>>Holy fucking hell. Mind quoting for me exactly what "PERSONAL INSULT" I lobbed against you, Ace? You did not insult me; you "giggled" at the idea that I thought I shouldn't be insulted by tosj. You claimed that because I was somehow too mean to O'Donnell I had invited that and couldn't complain. Hey, I'm not even telling you what I know of O'Donnell. I know from people that have attempted to have her at events that she is an inappropriate-anger sort-of-insane nasty diva. And i know she's a goddamned imbecile.

384 Hey dude? You just informed me that I was part of a coordinated conspiracy against O'Donnell. Why? Gee, apparently for the crime of Linking Confirmed Reportage in the First Degree.

Posted by: ace

 

This is getting entirely out of hand. I don't believe for a minute that there is either a conspiracy or a right wing version of Journolist.

by the exact same token, Black Orchids' comment about Delaware women was also uncalled for, especially since it includes my daughters.

385

Here are O'Donnell's stances on the issues, from her own website: http://tinyurl.com/2ebnjnq.

386 Even Michelle Malkin's endorsement says nothing about why someone should vote for O'Donnell.

387 For one second, could a O'Donnell supporter stop insulting Ace and others and come up with a pro-O'Donnell reason to vote for her, rather than an anti-Castle one?  A reason that can not be easily refuted.  Because I've been asking for that for a number of hours, and have yet to get it.

388 So you know I haven't been giving it to her with both barrels. Just the one. I don't even care if she's an emotionally-sketchy dolt... if she could win. But she can't, and today marks the highest level of statewide support she'll have. Just wait until the media and Dems GET WHAT THEY WANT and get her on the ballot. Suckers.

389
Voted AGAINST the 05 Republican budget.

Voted AGAINST an amendment to cut spending by 2%.

Voting AGAINST a bill to protect gun-makers from lawsuits.

Voted FOR a bill sponsored by notoriously
anti-gun Representative James Moran,
outlawed exports of .50-caliber rifles,
and it marked the first congressional
vote on any kind of .50-caliber ban.

390 >>> I don't believe for a minute that there is either a conspiracy or a right wing version of Journolist. I didn't say you... why would you think I meant you? I directed this at tosj and whoever claimed "Paid for by the RNC" in the first or second comment. I do not believe that ALL of Castle's detractors are doing this, nor all of O'Donnell's supporters. Many people come in here and offer their good-faith reasons for their support. I have no problem with that (except for thinking they're wrong). It's the insults and the fucking idiotic conspiracy-theorizing that bothers me.

391 Seriously?

You simply don't accept the fact that Delaware is A FUCKING LIBERAL STATE!

Win all the conservative votes in the state and you'll get about 20-30% of the vote. And that's it.

Congratulations. That's a brilliant plan.

Losing the primary to a "f*cking nutjob" doesn't appear to be a brilliant plan either, Drew.

392 You know what the difference would be?  The Dems would totally own their clusterf*ck legislation.  As it is, Snowe, and therefore the Republican Party, bears part of the responsibility.

With a GOP-controlled Senate, the Dems would not get their clusterfuck legislation onto the floor in the first place.

I really don't see what's so difficult about this.  It's distressing to see how many of O'Donnell's people would flunk remedial civics.

393

Okay, let's go over that other assumption.

Seems to me she was all of 6 points behind Coons.  With 14% undecided.  In August.  And since then she's gained a shitload of points on Castle, which indicates growing popularity.

She might have less of a chance than Castle would, but "SHE CANNOT WIN" is in no way supported by the numbers.  Hell, by that measure, Miller could not possibly have won against Murkowski.  Hell, I think his numbers were worse around the same time.

394

This is a good time to remind everyone...


nobody expects the inquisition.

395 For one second, could a O'Donnell supporter stop insulting Ace and others and come up with a pro-O'Donnell reason to vote for her, rather than an anti-Castle one?  A reason that can not be easily refuted.  Because I've been asking for that for a number of hours, and have yet to get it.

Posted by: Tom In Korea

 

1.I am NOT voting for Christine O'Donnell tomorrow. I am voting for Castle.

2. I have not been insulting anyone. There's been a crap load of people insulting everyone within the state of Delaware in these threads.

Having said that:

A. She's pro-life, he's pro-abortion.

B. She wants to repeal Obamacare. (yes, I know that he does too)

C. She wants to eliminate earmarks.

D. She is also against much of the spending that Castle is against, and some that Castle supported.

E. She is against cap and trade. Castle voted for it.

F. She is against the Disclose act. He voted for it.

G. She got an 'A' rating from the NRA. Castle got an 'F'.

396

Can you not post your things in giant letter and bolded.  It makes you look more insipid than you already have clearly made yourself out to be.

Next post: letters individually cut out from magazines and joined together to form words.

I hate to break it to anyone who can't wait for this election to be over tomorrow nite...but the recount on this jawn is going to go on for days.

397

"I didn't say you... why would you think I meant you? I directed this at tosj and whoever claimed "Paid for by the RNC" in the first or second comment. "

And me.  You directed this explicitly at me.  Even though I didn't say a damn thing about conspiracies or coordination or anything remotely like it.

398

425 For one second, could a O'Donnell supporter stop insulting Ace and others and come up with a pro-O'Donnell reason to vote for her, rather than an anti-Castle one?...

She only gives generics ("I'm for...) on her website. (I've been asking the same thing, though I don't have a horse in this race.)

399

With a GOP-controlled Senate, the Dems would not get their clusterfuck legislation onto the floor in the first place.

I really don't see what's so difficult about this.  It's distressing to see how many of O'Donnell's people would flunk remedial civics.

Ahem.

 

400 I figured something like this clusterfuck would happen when the tea parties morphed into the Tea Party™.

I'm just glad it's all over tomorrow and we can get back to attacking the real enemy.

_{(We are going to do that, aren't we?)}

401 With a GOP-controlled Senate, the Dems would not get their clusterfuck legislation onto the floor in the first place.


There was a GOP Controlled Senate and Bush couldn't get Social Security reform..  Snarlin' Arlen was one of the Senators to help block/oppose it. 

(I'm not sure if it ever made it to the floor or if it died in committee)

402

"With a GOP-controlled Senate, the Dems would not get their clusterfuck legislation onto the floor in the first place."

Yes, it's a great thing that no left-supported legislation ever made it to the floor of the Senate in 2000-2006.  Nor were any leftist judges ever confirmed out of Republican controlled Senates.  You're absolutely right.

403 @Qwinn

That's the thing - I'm taking your worst case scenario - which I don't even believe in.  I also don't believe the ownership bit.  The optics of big things like health care and banking reform are they are obama's.  Few people but partisans remember the random defections.  And at this point after the clusterfuck dems have gotten us in do you think that people won't already hold him accountable?  Having a dedicated minority might even be able to exacerbate that frustation because it shows what even a small effective minority can do.

@Guy Fawkes

I've repeatedly put down facts and logical arguments.  O'Donnell supporters don't address them.  You kept on repeating the bullshit about neither being able to win in the face of polls which say the opposites.  Pam posts shit like a mindless drone without addressing the fact that there are things that Castle has done that are good from a conservative perspective, and without addressing the main argument from Castle supporters - that it is incredibly worthwhile to have marginal support for an agenda from a deep blue state.  The truth is we could posts insipid lists like Pam for just about EVERY senator.

404 >>> You directed this explicitly at me. Even though I didn't say a damn thing about conspiracies or coordination or anything remotely like it. No, what you did was "giggle" (your word, right?) at the idea I thought I shouldn't be insulted by tosj... because you think that by noting that SOMEONE ELSE is an imbecile, that means it's now fair to insult me. You didn't insult me; you just "giggled" at the idea that I should take offense at an insult. I didn't insult tsoj. It's fucking stupid to claim that because I insulted some people's new Favorite Person in the World it's now fair to insult me to my face. You think it is. Well, Qwinn, you say a lot I don't agree with... so are the gloves off with you too? Or would you expect me to not insult you unless you had insulted me?

405 I didn't say you... why would you think I meant you? I directed this at tosj and whoever claimed "Paid for by the RNC" in the first or second comment.

I do not believe that ALL of Castle's detractors are doing this, nor all of O'Donnell's supporters. Many people come in here and offer their good-faith reasons for their support. I have no problem with that (except for thinking they're wrong).

It's the insults and the fucking idiotic conspiracy-theorizing that bothers me.

Posted by: ace

 

I know that you did not mean me. I am concurring, as someone up to his neck in this race, that you have NOT been doing what was alledged.

 

Yes, the insults are getting out of hand. I hope and believe that Castle will win, and that we'll be treated to another round of the "nut and slut' show, with an added loser variation on the theme. Then people can move on to some other bone of contention.

406 Hey, I'm not even telling you what I know of O'Donnell. I know from people that have attempted to have her at events that she is an inappropriate-anger sort-of-insane nasty diva.

And i know she's a goddamned imbecile.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 01:09 PM (KUUXH)

So you know I haven't been giving it to her with both barrels. Just the one.

I don't even care if she's an emotionally-sketchy dolt... if she could win. But she can't, and today marks the highest level of statewide support she'll have.

Just wait until the media and Dems GET WHAT THEY WANT and get her on the ballot.

Suckers.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 01:10 PM (KUUXH)

Wow. Don't hedge your bets there Ace.

407 Verified on the Hill:  Bachmann endorses O'Donnell.

408 "B. She wants to repeal Obamacare. (yes, I know that he does too)"

But does he?  The only statement I've seen from him is that it can't be repealed while Obama is president.  Now that's true, but it's not the answer to the question of whether he wants to repeal ObamaCare.

It sounds more like a weasel answer to me.

409 http://tinyurl.com/2u4l8fu

Rasmussen had it
Castle 48%
Coons 37%

Coons 47%
O'Donnell 36%

That was on September 2.  The last poll since then, which only seems to have polled the primary electorate, had her ahead by 3 points with a +/- 3.8% MoE.

410 I know she can get the nomination -- I'd say that's pretty much the most likely outcome now. But can she actually do the job of getting elected? Raaaaaaacist!

411

"So talk radio, that last bastion of conservative purity, collectively got together and decided that the last true conservative standing wasÂ…Â….Mitt Romney."

Erm, what?  I don't remember this at all.  He was considered -better- than McCain, which is arguably true.  And the only other person who had a chance at the time was Huckabee, who was worse than either of them.

I remember all of the "conservative purists" backing Thompson, until all the RINOs got together and told us that he couldn't possibly win, which became, as usual, a self-fulfilling prophecy.

412 And I gotta tell ya... I'd be with you guys in supporting an unlikely, maybe-too-conservative True Conservative candidate against Castle if that person had a chance, had a biography, had something to tell me they could win. Christine O'Donnell is as weak a candidate as I can conceive of.

413 All's I know is that I will have lost a lot of faith in the intelligence of the Tea Party Movement if O'Donnell wins the nomination.  It's like Paul Atreides realizing he has an army of uncontrollable, unreasonable jihadi monsters on his hands.

414 @Qwinn in 431

Wrong.  She's gained points in teh republican primary.  That is completely different from the general election voting populace in Delaware.  Delaware is democrats and independents.  If anything she's lost more face with them because of her ridiculous comments and the fact that she has even less in common with them than Castle and that will slowly come out. 

And we're not talking a slightly less chance of winning.  In general she has been about 10 points down in Delaware while Castle has been 20 points up.  Again, the republican primary there is not at all representative of the election there.

415 This democracy shit is pretty cool.

416

I hate to break it to anyone who can't wait for this election to be over tomorrow nite...but the recount on this jawn is going to go on for days.

arrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mallamutt

 

needs a bigger font.

417 (I wish I had a newsletter...since most citizens  need  info they can't get from the MSM)

Voted AGAINST banning tax-payer dollars from going to the UN.

Voted FOR raising min wage.

Voted AGAINST displays of the evil Ten Commandments in Courts.

418 They do this shit all the time at corporations. They definately play favoritism. She had to play the victim card. Good for her.

419

439 There was a GOP Controlled Senate and Bush couldn't get Social Security reform..  Snarlin' Arlen was one of the Senators to help block/oppose it. 

(I'm not sure if it ever made it to the floor or if it died in committee)

That's because no one wanted to touch that sacred cow with a 10-ft pool. Another related recollection of the GOP Congress through those 4yrs is that they continuously bowed to pressure from the minority Dems. It's as though the Republican leadership thought the Dems were still running the place. 

420 Seriously: I do not understand this logic that says "hey, control over the Senate Judiciary Committee?  WE DON' NEED NO STINKIN' JUDICIARY COMMITTEE!!"

Yes, yes you do.  And you won't get it without Castle in that Senate seat.  Nothing else is as remotely important as being able to stop Obama's next SCOTUS nominee.

421 By the way, there is no RINO purity test. I just want someone with an R next to their name who isn't a flaming fucking leftist commie piece of shit asshole fuckface scumbag.

422

"No, what you did was "giggle" (your word, right?)"

Um, no, not my word.  Haven't used that word in years.

Get back to me when you actually decide to respond to the things I say, and not that you've imagined I say, mkay?

 

423
Well, the nice thing is that if Castle wins the primary, we'll all join together and support him.

And if O'Donnell wins the nomination, we'll support her, too.

Right?

Right?

424 Rocks, My point is that I haven't been fully explaining my real reasons for doubting she could win, because of the 11th commandment. I've been being... well, soft about it. But... if someone wants to say it's a conspiracy.... well, less that than reports of inappropriate bursts of anger when Little Miss Thing wasn't being properly tended to. After all, she's been on the NATIONAL MEDIA circuit, as her lawsuit will tell you.

425 >>> Seems to me she was all of 6 points behind Coons. With 14% undecided. In August. And since then she's gained a shitload of points on Castle, which indicates growing popularity.

Growing popularity with the base, yes.  But the base does not win elections on its own in a state as blue as Delaware.  Even as O'Donnell's star rises within the GOP, the broader Delaware electorate, which elected Mike Castle statewide several zillion times over the past few decades, is looking on at the spectacle in horror and already firming up their intention to vote for Chris Coons if this flaky whackjob turns out to be their other option.  They're already going to flip the House seat to Democrat; why would they be inclined to support someone like O'Donnell on the same ticket?

>>> She might have less of a chance than Castle would, but "SHE CANNOT WIN" is in no way supported by the numbers. Hell, by that measure, Miller could not possibly have won against Murkowski. Hell, I think his numbers were worse around the same time.

The numbers had her down by double-digits in August, at a time support for Republican candidates as reflected by polling was cresting across the country in just about every race in every state you could think of, red and blue.  If that was the best she could do at that time, against a second-tier Democrat, before her ethical issues had become as widely known, she's going to get absolutely smoked in November.  The independents are going to break for Coons, a lot of the Republicans in Delaware are going to break for Coons (O'Donnell gets something like 65% support in her own party), and he'll win by 20 points.  And we'll all get to pat ourselves on the back next year for losing with purity as we watch a continued Democrat Senate act as a firewall against a Republican House.

426 No you dumbass.  For the millionth time Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE.
If you don't start courting the general voting population early you will suffer for it.  Castle assumed the easy path and swerved left because he wanted to ensure he would win the race.

O'Donnell is too fucking stupid to engage in such thought, much like a good chunk of her supporters.

No you dumb cock.  Castle has to survive the fucking primary.  Right now he isn't surviving it.  He's struggling to win against what you describe as a lunatic.

 He obviously can't just count on the support of conservatives right now.  He needs to shore up his support or he's fucking cooked.  Yet instead of pivoting, he seems to have your attitude of just giving everybody the middle finger and ignoring the primary.

Lastly, to you and Drew: I live in Massachusetts, I am not impressed by claims that Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE.

427 @ Zombie
You kept on repeating the bullshit about neither being able to win in the face of polls which say the opposites.

Wrong Pal. I said no such thing.  My point is there is not a conservative choice in the DE senate race. None. Zip. Zero. I have indicated prior that I would vote Castle if I was in DE, only for a slim hope of a majority, but I know he can not otherwise be trusted.  Secondly, it does no good to present facts or logic if you insist upon calling the other side stupid, ignorant, insipid and dumb.

428 Hey, BlueHen, I was only kidding around. I didn't realize things were so hot this morning. I love Delaware! No really! I seriously do! I didn't even really say anything, was just teasing a little out of love. My friends and I used to ponder the mysteries of Delaware Chicks growing up here in the dub-c, that's all. (most of my boyfriends were at Archmere) Now, Delaware Guys on the other hand . . . you don't mess with them! lol again, sorry, was trying to lighten things up. my position is simply let you guys (Delawarians) go ahead and decide tomorrow. It reminds me of the Toomey/Specter thing. I followed "directions" and voted Specter "strategically" but it was no fun. it didn't much matter and I didn't get to relish voting against that old jerk. I hope everybody can be friends again tomorrow?

429 You know what? Everyone seems to want to win the Senate for some god-damn reason.

You know what? I don't. Why? Because then Obama will not get the Bi-partisan cred that he needs to pull out a win in 2012.

Another guy was right. Obama is the Herbert Hoover of the 21st century. Why should we give him what he wants?

Let's focus on WV or MD instead and get a REAL seat that we can keep.

430 @Blue Hen, et. al.

I don't care what generic platitudes that O'Donnell has put up on her site.  Talk is cheap.  I want to see some concrete actions. 

Where has she been?  Obviously she doesn't have a voting record, not being an elected official, but that doesn't mean she can't have an actual track record of advancing conservative positions?  What has she done to advance the cause of conservatism?  It seems, just from what I've been able to gather, is that she wanted to sue a forthright conservative non-profit for millions and jumped on some sort of anti-masturbation bandwagon in the mid-90s.  And subbed for Hannity a few times.  Not exactly the sterling record of a movement conservative.

431 If I still lived in DE (and had residency there) I'd probably feel the same way as Blue Hen.  If she were a great but too-conservative-for-Delaware candidate, I'd feel differently, but she's a terrible candidate on every score.

But Castle dropped the ball. You don't stick out with your votes when it comes to election time.  Don't be the only Republican to...

Do the moderate thing when you have support.

And, yes, if we have the majority, then Castle won't have a chance to vote for Democrat crap.  Right now, that's all that gets to the floor and that's what he votes for.

432

"You didn't insult me; you just "giggled" at the idea that I should take offense at an insult."

Oh, I'll respond to this too.

I laughed that you got all-caps hyperventilatingly hysterical at the idea that someone would "insult someone they don't even know", after a thread in which you (admittely later) called O'Donnell, someone you don't know at all, a "goddamned imbecile".

It had nothing to do with tosj or however he might have insulted you.  It had to do with the hypocrisy that was completely self-contained within your defense.

 

433 I'd be with you guys in supporting an unlikely, maybe-too-conservative True Conservative candidate against Castle if that person had a chance, had a biography, had something to tell me they could win. 

If O'Donnell wins the primary, what's the official AoSHQ position, Ace?

434

That's because no one wanted to touch that sacred cow with a 10-ft pool. Another related recollection of the GOP Congress through those 4yrs is that they continuously bowed to pressure from the minority Dems. It's as though the Republican leadership thought the Dems were still running the place. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at September 13, 2010 01:23 PM (yfJ6g)

(recalling more)  Miguel Estrada comes to  mind now.  Should have been an easy nomination but was held up..  Because of Reid and Specter I believe.

435 O'Donnell does have those crazy eyes. Note to self: get better candidates to primary establishment Republicans.

436

I love how the Rethuglicans, especially the Delawarans(or whatever you call yourselves) make like Castle is a shoo-in in the general election..well, even if he isn't,  since all you Tea Partiers are honor bound, it'll be close.. well, no one conservative would've won anyway.

And continuing,  <b>"We gotta have him for a majority"</b>.   Oh, its that tight, 50 are certain and just one more, Castle being our last hope, will be orgasmic.

So the absolute worst rated House Republican will behave when he has real power in a gridlocked Senate, with misbehaving Blue Dogs.  On the contrary, we will certainly see a "gang of 14" controlling media attention.

The Senate is always easy on Justice confirmations, remember Kagan, Sotomayor?  Cornyn and ex-Tex-Supreme couldn't read an intelligent question if his staff prepared one.

The Senate is always tough on treaties.  Start Start II debate, this century?

No, needing Castle is a totally bogus thread, which is why we see all the attacks on O'D,  like together they're too trivial to make a serious Senator.  Suprised you haven't slept with her yet, or had an salacious relationship in separate cities together.

Well Tea Partiers promised from the start they were out to decapitate the GOP.  We don't care that you need to eat put braces on your chilluns and some Congresscritter has you in their rolodex.  Have a duodenal blockage for all we care.

 

437 @Blue Hen, et. al.

I don't care what generic platitudes that O'Donnell has put up on her site.  Talk is cheap.  I want to see some concrete actions. 

Where has she been?  Obviously she doesn't have a voting record, not being an elected official, but that doesn't mean she can't have an actual track record of advancing conservative positions?  What has she done to advance the cause of conservatism?  It seems, just from what I've been able to gather, is that she wanted to sue a forthright conservative non-profit for millions and jumped on some sort of anti-masturbation bandwagon in the mid-90s.  And subbed for Hannity a few times.  Not exactly the sterling record of a movement conservative.

Posted by: Tom In Korea

 

You asked for reasons, and I provided some. Yes, these are the statements of someone who is making campaign promises, and outlining their beliefs. Yes, these are not the positions of a current office holder with a track record. I also included a rating from a thid party (NRA). Do with these as you will.

438 More votes from the "sane, non-imbecile, smart" Castle.


Voted AGAINST a 2008 motion to encourage drilling in ANWR, the outer-continental shelf, and other territories in the West.

Voted FOR penalizing energy producers.

439 You know what? Everyone seems to want to win the Senate for some god-damn reason.
You know what? I don't.

I wish I'd been keeping count of all the O'Donnell supporters in these threads who've come right out and said they don't actually want to win back power.  Pretty fucking amazing how the True Conservatives, the anti-RINO warriors, are really modern-day incarnations of Bob Michel.

440 Isn't supporting a lib like Castle kind of like the Fed trying to re-inflate the housing bubble?

441
I hope everybody can be friends again tomorrow?

Posted by: BlackOrchid

 

Okay; let's drop this.

442 As I've said before: I'm willing to sacrifice DE on the altar in order to provide blood for a West Virginia or Oregon win. Oregon is prime for a win, but no damn one is paying attention.

443 Posted by: toby928 at September 13, 2010 01:30 PM (S5YRY)

I don't know what the Official Ace of Spades HQ position will be but my personal one is going to be..."Hey look, Ron Johnson seems pretty awesome and we can kick Russ Feingold out of the Senate. Go Wisconsin!"

444

All these threads miss a very important point: delawareans don't give a flying fuck who y'all want us to vote for..

445 And I gotta tell ya... I'd be with you guys in supporting an unlikely, maybe-too-conservative True Conservative candidate against Castle if that person had a chance, had a biography, had something to tell me they could win.

Christine O'Donnell is as weak a candidate as I can conceive of.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 01:21 PM (KUUXH)

And I would tell you that I would support a liberal like Castle if he hadn't gone scorched earth, along with the entire party leadership, on a no name candidate while at the same time announcing he is the only republican to support on fix for the Citizen's United ruling. Filing a complaint with the FEC against a member of your own party in the midst of a primary knowing it won't be resolved before the vote anyway? Come on.

446

All these threads miss a very important point: delawareans don't give a flying fuck who y'all want us to vote for..

Posted by: Born and Raised Below the Canal

 

Well said. Release the muskrat of fury upon these people! We shall then redirect the punkin cannons.

447 485 As I've said before: I'm willing to sacrifice DE on the altar in order to provide blood for a West Virginia or Oregon win. Oregon is prime for a win, but no damn one is paying attention.

Oregon is about as likely a win as Delaware with Chrissy O.  That is, not very.

448 471 She founded a policy group, worked for the RNC & ISI, & has been a policy advocate. Seems she also has trouble with taxes & debt.

449 After all, she's been on the NATIONAL MEDIA circuit, as her lawsuit will tell you.

So are we all agreed now that the frivolous lawsuit industry is a major problem?

Castle is a lawyer, but O'Donnell seems to have her hooks even more into the corrupt legal profession than he.

450 @482

Hey, asshole, I'm not an O'Donnell supporter. I think she's a complete and utter nutball who deserves to be locked up in a mental institution.  I have no say, really, in the election in DE. And I don't care. I think both of them suck rotten, hard-boiled eggs.

I'm just tired of everyone bickering and fighting over this stupid thing and thinking that one idiot from Delaware is gonna be the key to win, when we have 3-4 other possibilities that can save us the grief of having groups being torn apart.

So my solution is simple: Go for the other 3-4 that we have a chance of winning without the constant crying and whimpering of assholes: West Virginia, where Raeve (sp?) is closing in on Man-Child; Oregon, where Ron Wyden is vulnerable against Jim Huffman; and Maryland, where people are getting a little tired of Mikulski.

Next time, do not presume that I am a supporter of someone just because I come out against someone else.

451

What about Castle's (or DE RNC) FEC complaint against O'Donnell?

I done reading this site (until after Tuesday).  In the meantime, I'm making calls for O'Donnell.

452
Delaweenians, Castle, and O'Donnell call all go horse fuck.

The thing that's most annoying is reading all thise crap about about the Tea Party is fucking up or how the Tea Party has worn out its usefullness.

The Republican party would still be dead if it wasn't for the Tea Party. And no one would have the balls to break their silence and criticize Obama if it wasn't for Rush breaking the ice and saying he hoped Obama fails.

453 As I've said before: I'm willing to sacrifice DE on the altar in order to provide blood for a West Virginia or Oregon win. Oregon is prime for a win, but no damn one is paying attention.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage

 

I can tell you right now, that it won't be a virgin sacrifice; is that still okay?

 

I am TRYING to get some humor back into this.

454

I won't be sending the crazed feminist a nickel.  I'd sooner invest in a pyramid scheme I saw on a late night infomercial.  About the same chance of getting anything for my money.

Angle, Johnson, Rubio, Rossi for sure though.

455

At this point, I want to see O'Donell win just so we don't have to hear "conservatives can never, ever ever ever win in a blue state" again.  Cause that's yet another continuous self-fulfilling prophecy - and it should be obvious how it is so.

Guys, if you seriously think that all leftist advances are utterly irrevocable, and we can only fight a retreating rear-guard action, then just give the bloody hell up, will you, but at least have the courtesy to stop trying to sandbag those who, especially in this year of a "conservative tidal wave", haven't decided to just surrender en masse?

456 Hey, asshole, I'm not an O'Donnell supporter.

You're a cocksucking dithering eunuch who wants to lose.  That's all I see.

457 Oregon is about as likely a win as Delaware with Chrissy O.  That is, not very.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2010 01:34 PM (Rf19t)

I wish Chris Dudley was running for Senate.

458 I vote good for Christine Castle, too! Like site very much! Buy handbag now!

459

Filing a complaint with the FEC against a member of your own party in the midst of a primary knowing it won't be resolved before the vote anyway? Come on.

Filing complaints is standard campaign operating procedure. Primary, general, etc.

 

I think last week a lot of people were applauding when Joe Miller filed a complaint against Lisa M.

 

Sorry, politics is a rough sport.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt, I am a giver

 

I believe that he filed it after the voting, and because of some of the crap that was going on. This one is before the primary, aimed at O'Donnell and the tea Party, and was filed by the state GOP, which I've noted doesn't like primaries, but continues to hold mock ones.

And if she wins, will this be caried out? Should it be yanked even if it has merit? This is my concern where the suit is concerned.

460 @501,

I win. Thank you. Now get back to your bunk.

461 (just look up his voting record in the Congress, I did, I wanted to see how SMART and non-kooky-crazy he is)


Voted AGAINST a 06 Conservative budget alternative.

Voted AGAINST an amendment to prevent a Federal court from banning prayer in the Indiana House.

Voted to OVERRIDE Bush's veto of SCHIP.

462
Anyone who doesn't support the primary winner is a cocksucker. I think we can all agree on that.

Because, after all, it's all about winning the seat, right?

463 At this point, I want to see O'Donell win just so we don't have to hear "conservatives can never, ever ever ever win in a blue state" again.  Cause that's yet another continuous self-fulfilling prophecy - and it should be obvious how it is so.

Conservatives win primaries in blue states all the time.  So?

How'd the Bill Simon administration work out in California?

464 Just curious, but how many folks actually had heard of Christine O'Donnell a month ago? Hell, two weeks ago? Now she's the dividing line between real and fake conservatives?

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

465 Lastly, to you and Drew: I live in Massachusetts, I am not impressed by claims that Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE.

If you look up who won Delaware for Governor, Senate, and electoral votes for President since 1984 and compare them to Massachusetts, based only on their numbers, we're either dead even or even worse off, though our blueness is due more to union monkeys (and I say that as one, unfortunately) and proximity to Philly rather than Massachusetts-style moonbattiness. 

466

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure Rhode Island, which is at least as blue as Delaware, has a pretty damn good and "pure" conservative governor, and he's been reelected as well.

If your starting assumptions are that conservatives can't win where there's any opposition, you're of more help to the other side than you are to us.

467 I just want to chime in to say kudos on the Joe Versus the Volcano reference. A woefully underappreciated film.

468 I win. Thank you. Now get back to your bunk.

You win the right to crow over how much you blew everything up reeeeeeal good in the event of an O'Donnell primary win.  That's nice for you, but you can still go fuck yourself afterwards.

469 @Bevel Lemelisk

Cause clearly Scott Brown and the repubs from your state are Galatian Warriors of Conservatism

470

 am TRYING to get some humor back into this.

You need bigger fonts.  

Posted by: Mallamutt

Won't fit in a state this small.

471 Also, I love that people who know fuck-all about Delaware are so sure about the electoral habits here and how they've evolved over the years, as well as the likelihood that an actual conservative (not a RINO) can do well on the state level here.

472 @515

"You can't always get what you want, but you get what you need".

473 Lastly, to you and Drew: I live in Massachusetts, I am not impressed by claims that Delaware is a FUCKING BLUE STATE.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 13, 2010 01:25 PM (FkKjr)

Well, what you are and are not impressed by isn't really at issue. The facts however are a bit stubborn.

BTW- Do you think O'Donnell or an O'Donnell type candidate would have won in MA like Brown did?

Brown rode the perfect combination of timing, awful opponent and an uncanny ability to span the gap between moderates and tea party folks. He also had a picture perfect resume and family.

Do you honestly think O'Donnell is in Brown's league when it comes to being a candidate?

474

We seem to be oblivious of the now, not-so-quite revolution, the will of the grassroot American, conservative, independent; sad, even amongst the conservative republican, the so-called wise-and-prudent pundits bloggers,  focusing on  petty righter-than-thou turf war than the big picture the great cause.

475 Hey, I'm not even telling you what I know of O'Donnell. I know from people that have attempted to have her at events that she is an inappropriate-anger sort-of-insane nasty diva......................................Did you ask those people why they were silent about this dangerous, insane person when she ran against Biden two years ago?

476

Just wait until the media and Dems GET WHAT THEY WANT and get her on the ballot.

Suckers.

I've been wondering whether some of these new nics pushing O'Donnell as a satisfying emotional alternative and territorial statement might in fact be lefty concern trolls.  If so, they're a better class that what we've seen to-date.

477 Whatever, I"m off this topic till the primary tomorrow.  I"ll support whoever wins.  I hope it'll be Castle, but if it's O'Donnell I hope she beats Coons.

I will say this though, the tea party folks tendency to go scorched earth on their own allies in their party the same way they do against libs will eventually come back to bite them in the butts.  They need to start acting like adults at some point.

478

You know what I've -never- heard a leftist say?

"Don't vote for the more liberal candidate, he can't possibly win here!"

Not once.  Ever.  They vote the farthest left they can, every time.  And what has it accomplished?  It's pushed the entire government to the left, slowly, inexorably, over time, at least until this year.

But let's keep being pragmatists and voting for the leftier candidate in our own primaries, it's done so well for us so far.

479 Also, I love that people who know fuck-all about Delaware are so sure about the electoral habits here and how they've evolved over the years, as well as the likelihood that an actual conservative (not a RINO) can do well on the state level here.

And I say this as someone who will want to eat a bullet regardless of who wins tomorrow.  Delaware stinks.

480 Yup, cause we all know Mike Castle is as pure as piss driven snow, right?

481 Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

Posted by: DrewM. at September 13, 2010 01:40 PM (ycZcD)

Never heard of that Miller guy in Alaska either.

482 I do happen to know fuck-all about Delaware.  And I know that:

a.) its demographics have shifted significantly since 1984, with a massive influx of African-Americans and liberals from the Philly suburbs who end up outside Wilmington in New Castle County;
b.) it is impossible to win statewide as a conservative now;
c.) it is impossible to win statewide regardless without a strong retail-level person-to-person touch, a lifetime's worth of DE relationships;
d.) it is impossible to win as a crazy person.

483 I've said before that DE is a funny state electorally.

The major part of the population is either a Philly suburb or a hell-hole small city (Dover).

They don't put 2 and 2 together as to why they aren't living in Philly.

On the other hand, DE has traditionally been fiscally sane and even savvy.

No state sales tax.  Really.  No state sales tax.

484 @526

That's the whole thing. I don't know fuck-all about Delaware. I don't want to. I only know that it's the land of MBNA, and that they've fucked around with my credit cards long enough.

That's why I chose neither side. Not to mention because of the passions that have erupted into near-violence on this site and "rhymes with BotFair". The fact that people are so passioned about it that they're about to tear each other apart pisses me off to no end.

Which is one reason why my alternative idea is probably the best to get back the true unity that we SHOULD have. We focus on WV and win that, and boom...DE is a distant memory.

485 And can we -please- dispense with the "oh, those "pure" tea partiers are going all scorched earth!" bullshit?  The anti-O'Donnells here have been -way- worse, objectively, by every measure, when it comes to "scorched earth" rhetoric.  At least 95% of the name calling and abuse has been by the "If you don't vote for Castle you're a fucking moron who would fail at remedial civics" side.  So quit the fucking hypocritical whining.

486 37 She is a sub for Hannity people. That means she is dumber than Hannity.

do we really need that in the senate?

Posted by: Ben at September 13, 2010 11:18 AM (wuv1c)

Sure, the current bunch in DC are supersmart, see where that get us.

487 Posted by: inyourheadZOMBIE The reality is that Scott Brown is Strom Thurmond compared to whoever the Dems will put up against him in 2012. If you prefer Senator Barney Frank, by all means get rid of Brown. Massachusetts Democrats/Liberals in the Senate are an extra menace. They don't just vote for the monstrous Lib proposals, they hand deliver them from the Cambridge-based think tanks that write them.

488 Did you ask those people why they were silent about this dangerous, insane person when she ran against Biden two years ago?

Two years ago she was the uncontested GOP nominee; she had no primary opposition, so to whatever extent her ethical issues were known, they didn't matter; she was it.  (Which makes one wonder why Mike Castle was hiding in her bushes that year, as she claims, but oh well...)

489 I do happen to know fuck-all about Delaware.  And I know that:

a.) its demographics have shifted significantly since 1984, with a massive influx of African-Americans and liberals from the Philly suburbs who end up outside Wilmington in New Castle County and drifting south into Sussex;
b.) it is impossible to win statewide as a conservative now;
c.) it is impossible to win statewide regardless without a strong retail-level person-to-person touch, a lifetime's worth of DE relationships;
d.) it is impossible to win as a crazy person.

FIFY

490 it is impossible to win as a crazy person.

How did Biden stay a Senator then? 

That's some fucking crazee right there.

491 Any objective observer can see that tea parties go after any commie-lib and any Rs who votes with them.  Very reasonable.

But Rinos ONLY go after Conservatives...no liberals.

Simple really.

492 And can we -please- dispense with the "oh, those "pure" tea partiers are going all scorched earth!" bullshit?  The anti-O'Donnells here have been -way- worse, objectively, by every measure, when it comes to "scorched earth" rhetoric.  At least 95% of the name calling and abuse has been by the "If you don't vote for Castle you're a fucking moron who would fail at remedial civics" side.  So quit the fucking hypocritical whining.

Demonstrably false (at least in the use of crazy maximalist rhetoric) but whatever.

493

521 We seem to be oblivious of the now, not-so-quite revolution, the will of the grassroot American, conservative, independent; sad, even amongst the conservative republican, the so-called wise-and-prudent pundits bloggers,  focusing on  petty righter-than-thou turf war than the big picture the great cause.

That seems to have been the case for the last 4+yrs. I thought not voting was supposed to produce miniature Reagans in every state? Well, it didn't work that way, & it never will.

494 My point is that I haven't been fully explaining my real reasons for doubting she could win, because of the 11th commandment. I've been being... well, soft about it.

Posted by: ace at September 13, 2010 01:24 PM (KUUXH)

She's an imbecile and a diva? These are real reasons? About a member of your own party? Seems pretty subjective to me. And foolish consdiering you just stated she's likely to win the nomination.

I really don't believe there is any conspiracy going on here but if I did I would think it was the opposite, that you really support her and trying to garner sympathy for her. Because I don't see what these personal attacks are supposed to do other than that when this race is clearly not about the candidates   personally despite great efforts to make it so. If Castle loses this race and looks back a year from now I think he will realize his biggest mistake was listening to his people when they pointed at Alaska and said "Look, Look!" and took their advice. De ain't Alaska or Arizona. McCain and Murky needed to go nuclear, Castle didn't. If he had triangulated a bit on certain issues; debated her once and let the press handle the rest I think he would be cruising right now. Not an easy win, but a sure one.

I think they main reason Castle has been reelected for so many years is because he has been statesmanlike. He's totally chucked that out the window and his drop in the general election polls show that. At this point I seriously doubt he can win the general either.

495

"Demonstrably false (at least in the use of crazy maximalist rhetoric) but whatever."

Translation:  I agree with the crazy hyperventilating insults and namecalling of my own guys, so that can't possible be considered "crazy" or "maximalist".  I can't imagine that the people I disagree with could be more wrong, therefore, their rhetoric is "maximalist" and "crazy".  Therefore, we win.

496 At least 95% of the name calling and abuse has been by the "If you don't vote for Castle you're a fucking moron who would fail at remedial civics" side.  So quit the fucking hypocritical whining.

Sorry, but you guys would fail remedial civics.  You have failed to demonstrate any understanding of why majorities matter and what they mean, and you seem to give no indication of awareness of how the two-party system works in American politics.  You think that one True Believer in one state is going to save the country by the sheer force of her awesomeness.  That's like singling out a lone player in a football game and cheering him on to play against both teams to win the game all by himself.

497 Posted by: Radiant at September 13, 2010 01:48 PM (dQdrY)

True and I wondered at the time how Lisa Murkowski (who most folks couldn't have picked out of a line up before primary day) suddenly became a danger to the existence of the Republic.

Still, it was a pleasant surprise to see her go. It was doubly so since tossing her was a cost free upgrade.  Also, Miller (like Brown) is a fantastic candidate and life story. O'Donnell? Er, not so much. Yet here we're making a martyr out of a sure loser.

498

"You think that one True Believer in one state is going to save the country by the sheer force of her awesomeness. "

Really?  Please indicate exactly where I said anything remotely like this.  Hell, please point out where I've said anything positive about O'Donnell other than "she's not Mike Castle".

499 435

"I didn't say you... why would you think I meant you? I directed this at tosj and whoever claimed "Paid for by the RNC" in the first or second comment. "

And me.  You directed this explicitly at me.  Even though I didn't say a damn thing about conspiracies or coordination or anything remotely like it.

Posted by: Qwinn at September 13, 2010 01:15 PM (9zHDv)

Nor did I say "ace is on the take" or "ace is part of a coordinated conspiracy".  But he seems to have found it in there.

500 Still waiting for proof-positive O'Donnell is a conservative besides a few generic lines on her website.  Working for the RNC (aren't they all RINOs?) and suing the ISI isn't exactly compelling evidence.

501

Zombeh wrote this last night. I thought it was good:

If Mike Castle is another Arlen Specter than we might have the ability to stop the next Wardlaw or Reinhardt and you can sure as hell bet that Obama will be sending those folks up. 

If Mike Castle is the next Senator versus a Chris Coons (because O'Donnell is far far more likely to lose) we'll have somebody who is much more likely to oppose partial birth abortion procedures and other pro choice positions. 

If Castle wins, even though he might not check all government excesses in spending, at least he'll believe that there are limits like when he opposed the additional '09 800+ billion additional 'stimulus'.

If Castle wins and becomes a senator over Coons we'll have another person willing to go after GSE's, the ACORN's and Kevin Johnson's of the world.

If Castle wins you'll have another senator who supports a border fence and enforcement as a stand alone where Coons will want the whole 9 yards on amnesty otherwise.

If Castle wins you'll be guaranteed a friend on nuclear energy.

If Castle wins you'll have a guy who supports free trade and isn't automatically beholden to unions.

If Castle wins you'll have a senator who will vote for trial lawyer fee caps.

If Castle win you'll be guaranteed another friend of the military.

If Castle wins you'll have another vote for making the Bush tax cuts permanent and you'll have another member of the Congressional Flat Tax Caucus in the senate.

502 Did you ask those people why they were silent about this dangerous, insane person when she ran against Biden two years ago?

Two years ago she was the uncontested GOP nominee; she had no primary opposition, so to whatever extent her ethical issues were known, they didn't matter; she was it.  (Which makes one wonder why Mike Castle was hiding in her bushes that year, as she claims, but oh well...)

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

He was hiding, but in the House. he had several chances to take on Biden or Carper, and turned them down. Office swapping between the old timers and even between parties is the way here.

503 For that matter, please point even -one- person on this entire thread who has gone all gaga-crazy over O'Donnell.  Just one.  I haven't heard any of that.  I've heard "Castle sucks, royally, at least O'Donnell advocates the right policies" on one side, and "Will you guys stop WORSHIPPING her?!?" on the other.  -That- is the most ridiculous maximalist rhetoric I see going on here.

504 Cause clearly Scott Brown and the repubs from your state are Galatian Warriors of Conservatism

Do you know Scott Brown is the MOST conservative candidate I've voted for in a long time?  He even admitted to being a Republican while running!

We field squishes in MA, and they get fucking demolished.  You act like you hit on some new strategy by running Democrats and calling them Republicans.  No, it doesn't work well.

The alternative?  I've never even seen conservatives run in MA until this year.  And we have some great guys running: Bielat, Meas, Gunn.  They maybe, just possibly, could win.

Meanwhile, squish Baker is most likely going to lose the governorship.

505

"If Castle wins you'll have a guy who supports free trade and isn't automatically beholden to unions."

Er, didn't this guy vote for secret union ballots, e.g., Card Check?

506 Coons would have to get caught hosting a dogfight while dealing child porn for Christine O'Donnell to have a shot at winning in the general. Republicans/the Big Tea Party are about to make their first big blunder of the year.

507 Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2010 01:56 PM (+gX1+)

Evidence? Evidence is for suckers and Candy Ass RINOs.

Which one are you?

508  Futile attempt to stop the tsunami wave of American awakening. This is the "jump-the-shark" moment for the RINO establishment. Even the rodens are smart enough to jump ship impending doom.

509 555  Futile attempt to stop the tsunami wave of American awakening. This is the "jump-the-shark" moment for the RINO establishment. Even the rodens are smart enough to jump ship impending doom

Now you've gone and called ace a rodent.

510 @ 514 I just want to chime in to say kudos on the Joe Versus the Volcano reference. A woefully underappreciated film.

No it's not.

511

Well Tea Partiers promised from the start they were out to decapitate the GOP.  We don't care that you need to eat put braces on your chilluns and some Congresscritter has you in their rolodex.  Have a duodenal blockage for all we care.

I like the cut of this guys jib.

I don't really care who wins. So long as however it plays out damages the existing established structure of the republican party, it's gravy.

They've proven they're useless. If you want to beat back the socialists, step one is acquiring a political vehicle to fight them. The unreconstructed GOP is not that vehicle. Take the party, and maybe you have a shot at taking the pinkos with it.

The chick's crazy? All's the better.

No, really crazy? Not like sanity is a requirement for senate. Job's not as tough as they make it look. It's a phoney-baloney job.

Hell, maybe she'll call attention to the fact that like 1/4 of the people we have serving in there now are suffering from diagnosable dementia.

Even had a couple of comatose vegetables voting there for a bit.

At least she can feed herself. How you like her apples now?

512 @ 514 I just want to chime in to say kudos on the Joe Versus the Volcano reference. A woefully underappreciated film.

No it's not. It's deservedly under-appreciated.

513 554 Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2010 01:56 PM (+gX1+)

Evidence? Evidence is for suckers and Candy Ass RINOs.

Which one are you?

I'm the one looking to join the DC cocktail-party circuit.  In Korea. 

514 232
It's funny how the same crowd who's supporting Castle is the same crowd who were excited about Michael Steele becoming RNC chair and the same crowd who were wetting their pants when Rush said he hoped Obama fails.


You'll come around on Castle, too, and realize we're right. But these arguments are getting tiresome. You'd think you'd start listening to your betters, by now.

Posted by: AoS Pirate...now with extra-absorbent wings at September 13, 2010 12:01 PM (uFokq)

 

  I don't vote in Delaware, but if you held a gun to my head & forced me to take a side, I'd reluctantly go for Castle here.

 

  Contrary to what you just said, I had a BIG public disagreement with Ace & several other posters when the big "I hope he fails" shitstorm hit the beach, but we're on the same side on this one.  I also remember the consensus view of Steele's ascendancy to the RNC Chairmanship was mostly "Meh, I guess he might be OK", rather than the blind cheerleading that you're alluding to in this post.

 

  But hey, don't let something as simple as the FUCKING FACTS get in the way of your little jihad.  Knock yourself out here, sparky.

515

Coons would have to get caught hosting a dogfight while dealing child porn for Christine O'Donnell to have a shot at winning in the general.

Getting caught in a 5-way with Eliot Spitzer, Kathleen Parker, and a three midgets might do it.

516 Er, didn't this guy vote for secret union ballots, e.g., Card Check?

Card Check has never even come up for a VOTE in the House.  Geeeeez, first you people float the lie that Castle voted for ObamaCare (he voted against it twice and is a co-sponsor of the bill to repeal it); now you're blaming him for votes on bills that have never even come to the floor.  I imagine Castle will be placed at the Grassy Knoll in no time.

517

Chris Coons (D): 44
Christine O'Donnell (R): 37
Undecided: 19 
(MoE: ±4%)

 

From the way the ODonnell bashers talked I thought Coons was well over 50% and ODonnell was behind by at least 20%.  

Posted by: polynikes at September 13, 2010 12:18 PM (m2CN7)

She's a sure loser? My ass. Coons can only garner 44% against a person who is being reviled daily in just about every paper in the State and he's a guaranteed winner?

518 Qwinn, you seem like a reasonable guy, but this is the continuation of a thread that has been going on for days, and from the beginning, O'Donnell supporters have been overtly accusing Ace of taking bribes or acting collusion with some vague and unnamed cabal of establishment Republicans to "protect their guy."  And the term RINO has been thrown out to almost anyone who holds the opinion that Realpolitik trumps our fantasies about purity and perfection.  Can you think of a worse insult than to attack the very integrity of the man who runs this site, or questioning the commitment of people who have been Conservatives for decades?  Because I can't.  And I find it unforgivable.

519

6-way.  A 5-way woudln't be enough.

520 That's like singling out a lone player in a football game and cheering him on to play against both teams to win the game all by himself.

Well, there is that QB from Michigan.

521 "Meanwhile, squish Baker is most likely going to lose the governorship." Talk about the ability to fuck up a wet dream. Deval is the biggest clown in any Governor's Office in the country right now. (I will take nominations from other States, if there are any.) Of course we have the douchebag spoiler Cahill making it nearly impossible for a Repub. to win, but keeping Deval "It's a free country, I wish it weren't" Patrick in office is absurd. P.S. Does it feel like Baker has any momentum at all? The coverage in the (online) papers has been kind of scarce.

522 @560 - Tom in Korea

You're looking to join the DC-party circuit as much as I am looking to join up with Japanese-based Republicans: Not happening.

523 Coons can only garner 44% against a person who is being reviled daily in just about every paper in the State and he's a guaranteed winner?

O'Donnell is polling in the mid-30s, the same level of support she got when she was crushed in '08, and SHE has a chance?

524

"Guys, if you seriously think that all leftist advances are utterly irrevocable, and we can only fight a retreating rear-guard action, then just give the bloody hell up, will you, but at least have the courtesy to stop trying to sandbag those who, especially in this year of a "conservative tidal wave", haven't decided to just surrender en masse?"

And I respectfully add, that ending the career of the worst-rated Republican in the current House is an unqualified plus.  If, after all the slurs, dirty tricks and posturing with which a deservedly spooked GOP establishment has tarred her, a nominated O'D did not bring home the prize,  I'd count this decapitation a trophy worth mounting.

525 Based on what I read in this thread, the comments directed towards tsoj by someone I'm afraid to name, were way over the top. If you feel like you have to let it all out, why not direct it at "you morons"?

526

I hate to say it, but anyone willing to file and pursue such an employment discrimination claim is not conservative at heart.  Having defended management in employment discrimination litigation for over 10 years, this complaint reads like the typical nut-job employee who believes he/she is a victim of conspiracy when in reality the person was just a crappy employee.

And claiming a non-profit conservative think tank "believes women should be subordinate" is the worst kind of cliche liberal argument against conservatives.

I'm all for turning out rhinos.  But this chick is a nut job.

527 What Bevel Lemelisk said @551.

Bevel, you planning on attending the Boston(-area) meetup?

528 No pun intended. I have much noble sincere esteemed  for Ace, the beloved of blogcon.

529 P.S. Does it feel like Baker has any momentum at all?

Zero. Wonder what position Cahill will get in Deval Administration 2.0.

530
P.S. Does it feel like Baker has any momentum at all? The coverage in the (online) papers has been kind of scarce.

He doesn't excite anybody.  Nobody would go to the polls in a cold January for Baker.  They'd go against Deval.

The big problem is what you mentioned: Cahill.  He can divide the anti-Patrick vote.  Will people come to their senses and realize he is an obvious straw-man?  I hope so.  If conservatives down-ticket are compelling enough they might give Baker the benefit of the doubt.

keeping Deval "It's a free country, I wish it weren't" Patrick in office is absurd.

I take comfort in the fact that although he screws up everything, he has no real power here.  The state legislature controls everything.  Unfortunately that is unlikely to change this year.

531

All right, I have missed the last few threads, this is the only thread on the topic that I really sat down and read every comment.  Perhaps the other threads were entirely different from this one, and if someone wants to quote other threads or at least point me to posts to explain what I've been seeing here, please, feel free.

But I have read this thread.  And here's what I've seen:

1.  At least 20 posts claiming that the O'Donnell camp "worships" her, and thinks she is "pure awesomeness that will fix the Senate single handedly", despite not having seen even one post that speaks that highly of her.  That pissed me off.

2.  Ace explicitly attacking -me- for making the "conspiracy/collusion" argument, which I never made. and I don't believe.  He eventually pointed to the two (2) posts that pissed him off, and I can see why they pissed him off, but it doesn't justify his shooting at everyone else in sight that expresses any level of disagreement with him at all.

3.  I don't think Ace or many others here are RINO's.  Not at all.  But they are explicitly, loudly, vehemently supporting a major RINO in the DE election, with massive insults aimed at any who disagree.  Considering the damage that RINO's have done in the past, how can any of you seriously not expect to get some derision for it, including being lumped in with them?  Get real.

532 Bevel, you planning on attending the Boston(-area) meetup?

I think I have a wedding that weekend.  I've had like five weddings I've had to go to this year.

533

"And I find it unforgivable. "

Flaccid, PC worm, is no way to live in Amman or Queens or Peoria or anywhere else, son.  We're morons, except for the cretins who aspire to be morons.

534 572
Based on what I read in this thread, the comments directed towards tsoj by someone I'm afraid to name, were way over the top. If you feel like you have to let it all out, why not direct it at "you morons"?

Posted by: Moi at September 13, 2010 02:10 PM (Ez4Ql)

Thank you.

535

"O'Donnell is polling in the mid-30s, the same level of support she got when she was crushed in '08, and SHE has a chance?"

Um, do you seriously think 2010 is shaping up to be anything like 2008?

536 O'Donnell is polling in the mid-30s, the same level of support she got when she was crushed in '08, and SHE has a chance?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2010 02:08 PM (Rf19t)

Yes, because a significant number of those people who are undecided, and even stating for Castle, are doing so because of this primary and they are republicans. That changes when it's over. She got 35% against Biden in a landslide year for Dems. She received more votes against Biden then any other candidate who ran against him before. If she wins the nomination and gets less than 45% in the general I'll eat my hat. You could run a an old chair against  a Dem this year a get 40% of the vote.

537 I want to know where this "Castle is the most liberal Republican" meme is coming from, because I haven't seen any actual linking proof?  You know what I get when I google search "most liberal republican congressman"?  A wikipedia site for RINO, a link to Chris Shays, and a FR post blasting Mark Kirk.  Nothing about Castle.

538 Um, do you seriously think 2010 is shaping up to be anything like 2008?

In Delaware, things are going to be better for the Democrats than in '08, because it's there that they already have their likeliest House pickup in the country.  I ask again, how likely is it that, in two statewide elections, Delware voters are going to put a liberal Democrat into the House and a conservative crusader into the Senate at the same time?

539

If my chunker could reach those bridges I'd be living on an island and you'd all be arguing about a county election

540 Has anyone noticed how every female Republican candidate has been accused of being crazy, or slutty -- or both? I don't think this is a coincidence. I think it is a standard line of attack for conservative women in politics.

541 "The state legislature controls everything." Ahh, yes the power of the Speakah and the Senate Prez. I've tried to explain that (in the context of how MA health care came about) to a few people. Don't think it really sunk in.

542 Even the WP today says in Castle's 44 years in politics..he has drawn the most support from Democrats.  And that he was anguished about the Obamacare vote, and did not make up his mind until 4 days before the vote.

He will NOT vote to repeal it under any President.

His constituents are moochers and looters.

543 Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2010 02:18 PM (+gX1+)

Most liberal republican in the House. His voting record and ratings have been pointed out endlessly. They are easy to look up. Have a ball.

His vote for Cap and Trade makes him among the top 8. His F rating from the NRA adds to it. He's also the only republican to back Obama's fix for the Citizen's United ruling which struck down parts of McCain-Feingold and he did that just this week.

544 At least Coons will stab you in the front.

545

"I ask again, how likely is it that, in two statewide elections, Delware voters are going to put a liberal Democrat into the House and a conservative crusader into the Senate at the same time?"

I dunno, is it less likely than Rhode Island electing two Democrat Senators and yet electing a pretty much "pure" conservative governor not just once, but running out his term limits?

546 Odd thing: In 2006, O'Donnell ran for the Republican Senate nomination and lost.  Came in third, actually.  She then proceeded to conduct a write-in campaign.  So what's that say about her likelihood of supporting Castle if she loses the primary?

547

He will NOT vote to repeal it under any President.

So?  He'll vote with us on other things.  Combs won't.  Comprende?

548

"So what's that say about her likelihood of supporting Castle if she loses the primary?"

Clearly you believe this speaks ill of her.  Do you have any reason to believe Castle would support her if she wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he will not.  Is there a reason you hold that possibility against her, but not against him?

549 I dunno, is it less likely than Rhode Island electing two Democrat Senators and yet electing a pretty much "pure" conservative governor not just once, but running out his term limits?

Gubernatorial elections are very different than those for federal office.  Blue states elect Republican governors all the time, just as red states frequently elect Democrat governors.  New England states have had a lot of Republican governors recently, and if I recall correctly Rhode Island in particular has been electing GOP governors for the last 20 years or so.  But federal elections hew much more closely to partisan lines.  The same New England states that are so receptive to GOP governors don't have a single House Republican among them.

550

"So?  He'll vote with us on other things."

Sure, when we're already either going to win easily or lose badly.  In close votes, the only ones that'll matter, do you seriously think he'll ever cast a deciding vote in our favor?  -Really-?

551

O'Donnell ran for the Republican Senate nomination and lost.  Came in third, actually.  She then proceeded to conduct a write-in campaign.

O'Donnell is a professional candidate.  She'll run as a spoiler if she loses to Castle.  Because that's her job.

552 I ask again, how likely is it that, in two statewide elections, Delware voters are going to put a liberal Democrat into the House and a conservative crusader into the Senate at the same time?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 13, 2010 02:19 PM (Rf19t)

Not likely. The polls cited for the House race are over a month old. I think many put the House down as automatic for the Dem because they though there would be no real campaign in any race in DE this year. Both He and Castle would cruise. That's over with. I would say the R candidate for the House will actually have a better shot at winning then whoever is the R candidate for Senate at this point. The non party endorsed R candidate is actually leading in the polls for the House primary. The Rs in the state are now very energized. It's going to help whoever wins the primaries.

553

I think they main reason Castle has been reelected for so many years is because he has been statesmanlike. He's totally chucked that out the window and his drop in the general election polls show that. At this point I seriously doubt he can win the general either.

Rassmussen has Castle winning 48% / 37% over Coons, with 9% undecided.  While not necessarily a "sure thing", it's pretty damned close.

O'Donnell polls 36% / 47% against Coons, with 9% undecided.  That's solidly in "longshot" territory, and approaching the "snowballs chance in hell" region.

Polls shouldn't be taken as gospel, but a 12 point difference can't be ignored when the election is only 2 months away.

554 I agree with Ace.

555 (the "meme" comes from the Club for Growth, and the American Conservative Union, very kooky, crazy, and dumb orgs)

Castle scores 43% from CFG for 2009, (since his announced Senate bid)

In 07 and 08 he earned a 35% and 26% respectively.

So in 2008, when Arlen Specter scored a 44%, Mike Castle scored a 26%.

556 Clearly you believe this speaks ill of her him.  Do you have any reason to believe Castle O'Donnell would support her  him if she he wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he  she will not.  Is there a reason you hold that possibility against her him, but not against him her?

557

In close votes, the only ones that'll matter, do you seriously think he'll ever cast a deciding vote in our favor? 

Coons never will.  That's the point.  Don't be obtuse.

558 The perfect result is a very close election that scares the bejesus out of Castle and makes him "scared straight." The local Tea Party comes out and endorses him, with the caveat that they will be watching his actions closely.

559 602 (the "meme" comes from the Club for Growth, and the American Conservative Union, very kooky, crazy, and dumb orgs)

Castle scores 43% from CFG for 2009, (since his announced Senate bid)

In 07 and 08 he earned a 35% and 26% respectively.

So in 2008, when Arlen Specter scored a 44%, Mike Castle scored a 26%.

What'd O'Donnell score?

560

"The same New England states that are so receptive to GOP governors don't have a single House Republican among them."

You're absolutely right!

Do you think this is because they keep running "pure" conservatives in those states?

Those states keep running RINO's, over and over and over again.  The RINO's keep losing, over and over and over again.  Do you think that's going to change this year?  Can you picture any candidates other than those with the support of the tea parties changing this dynamic?

561 Also, in "wave" election, I think RINOs will actually drift rightwards. Think about the Blue Dogs and how they were convinced to vote for all manner of lefty bullshit.

562

Clearly you believe this speaks ill of her.  Do you have any reason to believe Castle would support her if she wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he will not.

Qwinn, you're not typically shrill.  What evidence do you have Castle would run as a spoiler write-in?

563 At least 95% of the name calling and abuse has been by the "If you don't vote for Castle you're a fucking moron who would fail at remedial civics" side. So quit the fucking hypocritical whining.

Posted by: Qwinn at September 13, 2010 01:49 PM (9zHDv)

As someone who things this stupid grenade party is just an excuse for people to get their rage on, it sure as Hell looks a lot closer to 50-50.

And it sure looks like you pulled that number out of nowhere, 'cause it ain't even close.

564

The perfect result is a very close election that scares the bejesus out of Castle and makes him "scared straight."

Umyeahsure. That'll happen.

Those odds are longer than O'Donnell winning the general outright.

565

"Coons never will.  That's the point.  Don't be obtuse"

You stop being obtuse.  You're pointing out "Castle will vote for us sometimes" as an advantage.  I'm saying it's -not- an advantage, at all, if Castle votes with us for votes we were going to win, or lose, anyway.  Telling me "Coons won't be worse" does not support your argument that "Castle will be better".

566

"Qwinn, you're not typically shrill.  What evidence do you have Castle would run as a spoiler write-in?"

I didn't say he would.  And if I'm being shrill - which I don't think I have been, at all - maybe it's because this is the 20th time I've had words put in my mouth?

567

  I'm saying it's -not- an advantage, at all, if Castle votes with us for votes we were going to win, or lose, anyway. 

Who says it's going to only the votes we'll win anyway.  That's a rather dull statement of faith, not a statement of fact.  At any rate, check out what Zombie compiled at #548. 

Telling me "Coons won't be worse" does not support your argument that "Castle will be better".

Yes, it does, and if you're goint to be thick-witted, I'm not interested.

568

Filing a complaint with the FEC against a member of your own party in the midst of a primary knowing it won't be resolved before the vote anyway? Come on.

According to the radio host I heard on WDEL, all the TEA Party ads endorsing O'Donnell have been pulled. Now the ads are paid for by Friends of Christine O'Donnell. Perhaps there is merit to the complaint that the DE GOP has filed against Christine O'Pportunista.

569

Rassmussen has Castle winning 48% / 37% over Coons, with 9% undecided.  While not necessarily a "sure thing", it's pretty damned close.

O'Donnell polls 36% / 47% against Coons, with 9% undecided.  That's solidly in "longshot" territory, and approaching the "snowballs chance in hell" region.

Polls shouldn't be taken as gospel, but a 12 point difference can't be ignored when the election is only 2 months away.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2010 02:31 PM (plsiE)

That is true. But Castle has dropped into the 40s in the 2 latest polls. He is dropping while O'Donnell is rising. If I was betting I would put my money on the longshot who's gaining over the favorite who's fading any day. Everyone is counting on Castle's ability to limp to the finish but I don't think he will make it. If O'Donnell doesn't get him Coons might. Coons will be fresh out of the gate.

570 Um, do you seriously think 2010 is shaping up to be anything like 2008?

In Delaware, things are going to be better for the Democrats than in '08, because it's there that they already have their likeliest House pickup in the country.  I ask again, how likely is it that, in two statewide elections, Delware voters are going to put a liberal Democrat into the House and a conservative crusader into the Senate at the same time?

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

I neglected to note this; The local GOP. did something cagey, by declining tooppose the curent AG, Beau Biden. it was hoped that by doing that, the name recognition factor of a Biden would be avoided. Currently, the top Dems on their ticket are Coons, who has never run for a state office, and Carney, who has (Lt. Governor).

 

Will this help? I dunno.

571

Byng's execution was satirized by Voltaire in his novel Candide. In Portsmouth, Candide witnesses the execution of an officer by firing squad; and is told that "in this country, it is wise to kill an admiral from time to time to encourage the others" (Dans ce pays-ci, il est bon de tuer de temps en temps un amiral pour encourager les autres).

 

572 So, by this "Castle would support her if she wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he will not," you meant running around doing campaign stops with her?  That is, if simply saying "I lost and I support O'Donnell" isnt enough?

573

Nor did I say "ace is on the take" or "ace is part of a coordinated conspiracy". But he seems to have found it in there.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 13, 2010 01:55 PM (4YUWF)

100 I see this campaign against O'Donnell (the same accusations, by everyone at once) as analogous to the campaign against Boehner (the same accusations, by everyone at once).

The word went out from on high: PROTECT OUR GUY.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 13, 2010 11:31 AM (4YUWF)

And they all happen to be saying the same things. Pure coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: tsj017 at September 13, 2010 12:16 PM (4YUWF)

Yeah, you forgot to mention that you thought that the entire Republican blogosphere was taking orders from on high and coordinating their message, EXCEPT ACE.

It's helpful to include those little exceptions if you don't want to be misunderstood.

574

According to the radio host I heard on WDEL, all the TEA Party ads endorsing O'Donnell have been pulled. Now the ads are paid for by Friends of Christine O'Donnell. Perhaps there is merit to the complaint that the DE GOP has filed against Christine O'Pportunista.

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2010 02:40 PM (+FkcS)

Who cares if there is merit? You could find merit for 100 of these complaints in any race. It won't be even taken up before Tuesday. If Castle wins they will drop the complaint. If he loses they will drop it anyway. I don't they will pursue a complaint against their own nominee. The DE GOP leadership can't be THAT suicidal. The filing is just to create bad pr.

575 You know what, I'm just gonna throw a huge disclaimer like "THIS IS A QUOTE" and "THIS IS NOT A QUOTE" on things, because that mini-editor has pretty much permanently pissed me off. How do you try to use both HTML and CSS and screw the implementation of BOTH?

576 As I said last night...on balance, his "bi-partisan" votes for commie legislation is much more dangerous to the Republican party, than a partisan vote by a Dem that will have ZERO impact on the debate about what party will roll back the nannie state.

Republicans/Conservative will be stronger.

When Rinos rule...they insist to the public that Conservatives are extreme, and they seek to marginalize us with the public.  And they use the MSM to help them.  They are much more dangerous than a Dim, because Dims don't join Rinos,  Rinos only join Dims to make them stronger.

Rinos must be defeated at all costs.

577

Will this help? I dunno.

I'd assumed Carney would help Dem turnout.... didn't he barely lose the gubernatorial primary a couple of years ago?  At any rate, letting B. Biden skate might indeed have been a smart move.

578 What'd O'Donnell score?

Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2010 02:33 PM (+gX1+)

She doesn't have a voting record. She's an open book which is an advantage this year. It will be for Coons too if he faces Castle in the general.

579

Merovign, tsj is the 11,000th person to immediately impugn motive and conservative street cred when Ace doesn't agree with him/her.  I can see where that brand of "argument" would get frustrating.

580

A vote for Castle is a vote for serfdom. Why is that hard to understand?

He can win? Big fucking deal. I would rather the wolves wear wolf clothing.

581

That is true. But Castle has dropped into the 40s in the 2 latest polls. He is dropping while O'Donnell is rising. If I was betting I would put my money on the longshot who's gaining over the favorite who's fading any day. Everyone is counting on Castle's ability to limp to the finish but I don't think he will make it. If O'Donnell doesn't get him Coons might. Coons will be fresh out of the gate.

That poll was only taken 6 days ago.  If there's a more recent one pitting Coons against Castle and O'Donnell, I've not seen it.

You can't really extrapolate primary polls to the general.  O'Donnell could get 100% of the primary vote but still lose the general in a blue state such as Delaware.

582

As I said last night...on balance, his "bi-partisan" votes for commie legislation is much more dangerous to the Republican party

And as I replied last night, your idea that the propagandistic value of his occasional aisle crossing is more valuable to Democrats than Coons 24/7 support is silly.  You didn't respond to that then, and I doubt you will now. You'll just contiue with the "Wopner on at 4:00" stuff indefinately. 

That means you're not helping.

583 So, by this "Castle would support her if she wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he will not," you meant running around doing campaign stops with her?  That is, if simply saying "I lost and I support O'Donnell" isnt enough?

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 13, 2010 02:42 PM (+wdm+)

If Castles loses I seriously doubt he will endorse her. I would not be surprised to see him endorse Coons as he is much closer to Castle on political issues. If Castle and the party endorsed candidate for the House both lose I think you will see pandemonium in the DE GOP leadership.

584 THIS IS A QUOTE (stupid editor):

Rinos must be defeated at all costs.
Posted by: pam at September 13, 2010 02:44 PM (h8R9p)

THIS IS NOT A QUOTE (stupid editor):

Yes, because it's better to be in the minority than an imperfect majority. What is power without purity?

Man, I wish Democraps thought that way, they probably wouldn't have majorities now.

585 Pffft! You call that a conspiracy? December 17, fuckers. We will own it all.....

586

Will this help? I dunno.

I'd assumed Carney would help Dem turnout.... didn't he barely lose the gubernatorial primary a couple of years ago?  At any rate, letting B. Biden skate might indeed have been a smart move.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States

 

He's no rock star, though what passes for media here is making him out to be such. he did nothing as lt. Governor. He's just been here. he did try a run against the then state treasurer, (Markell) but lost. It was more of an even match up in that context.

 

I think that Coons might be a bigger draw in new Castle County, but Carney would be better known in the southern two counties, since he held a state office.

i'm curious as to what (if any) traction O'Donnell might gain if she had money ad heavy hitters coming in. I think that she can improve those curent numbers, but I don't see her prevailing.

587 My point, Rocks, is that O'Donnell is a sure write-in spoiler if she loses.  Castle is not, and to put them in the same boat on that issue--absent any evidence other than "I feels it"--is dumb.

588

THIS IS A QUOTE:

Merovign, tsj is the 11,000th person to immediately impugn motive and conservative street cred when Ace doesn't agree with him/her.  I can see where that brand of "argument" would get frustrating.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 13, 2010 02:46 PM (+wdm+) 

THIS IS NOT A QUOTE (how long can I keep this up?):

It's kind of a hot-button issue, people who have been around a few moons know that already. It hasn't just come up before, it's come up before in a BIG way.

589

That poll was only taken 6 days ago.  If there's a more recent one pitting Coons against Castle and O'Donnell, I've not seen it.

You can't really extrapolate primary polls to the general.  O'Donnell could get 100% of the primary vote but still lose the general in a blue state such as Delaware.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2010 02:49 PM (plsiE)

There was another poll showing very similar results a day prior to that one I think. I made the same point about the primary polls myself earlier. In polls over the last few months Castle has been in the high 50's at least but over the last month he has dropped slowly till he  is now below 50%. Not the direction you want to be moving.

590 She doesn't have a voting record.

No kidding.  Her record is thin, what exists is not exactly conservative (suing ISI for "sexism", fighting against masturbation, lying about what she won, running write-in campaigns when she loses a primary and generic rhetoric).  I'm pretty much convinced that she's not so much a true blue conservative as she is a person hoping to ride into the Senate on the backs of actual conservative discontent, and then will just vote RINOish when she has to get re-elected.

591 Mero, I was agreeing with you and speaking more to the noobs.

592

"So, by this "Castle would support her if she wins?  I think it's pretty damn obvious he will not," you meant running around doing campaign stops with her?  That is, if simply saying "I lost and I support O'Donnell" isnt enough?"

I was just referring to an endorsement, yes.  I don't think Castle will endorse O'Donnell at all, not in his concession speech, not for a minute.  The argument seemed to me to be that O'Donnell would not endorse Castle if he won, and that makes her bad, and I'm wondering why that same standard doesn't apply to Castle.  Unless you think he -will- endorse her.  I can't imagine why anyone would think he would after the last few weeks of attack ads from his camp (which, incidentally, have hurt him worse than her).

593 I don't know what "Wopner on at 4" means, but I did explain this morning and last night my opinion on how damaging Rinos are to the Republican party, how leaving them in power marginalizes Conservatives.

But you know that already.

Again, we will have to agree to disagree on the strategy of getting rid of as many Rinos as possible.

I think it is a worthy goal, and worth a try, and you do not (in this case at least).

No need for insults, as I said last night...we are all on the same side.

594

I have voted R in every election since I was 18.

Senator Cornyn has about conviced me that I have wasted my time and effort.

I want an army of Paul Ryans.

595 My point, Rocks, is that O'Donnell is a sure write-in spoiler if she loses.  Castle is not, and to put them in the same boat on that issue--absent any evidence other than "I feels it"--is dumb.

Posted by: rdbrewer

 

In either case, I think that bad things will happen. If O'Donnell loses, she may try for the write in gambit. It would be wrong. I wish that she would swear off of it now.

If Castle loses, I fear that he will simply concede, and no more. He will have to resign from the House, and his career will effectively be at an end, unless he wants to challenge Carper in 2012. Could he manage it? Yes. But he's already ducked that at least once before.

I do not see ANY evidence that he would endorse Coons or switch parties.

596

rdbrewer, ah, I see, you're specifically saying she'll run as a write in after she loses?  I see. She'd be pretty stupid to, but if she did it before, yeah, that's a point in your favor, and no, I have no reason to believe he'd run as a write in.  Well, except that it generally seems to be something RINOs love to do (see Crist, Charlie), but no, that's not enough.

So, ok, I misunderstood your earlier post, I thought you were talking about endorsements only, not about running as a write in.  My bad.

597 A vote for Castle is a vote for serfdom.
Posted by: Radiant at September 13, 2010 02:47 PM (dQdrY)

And a vote of O'Donnell is pretty much a vote for a Senator Coons.

Let's see, Castle is willing to look at repealing ObamaCare if the GOP wins the White House in '12 (which is the only way it will happen). Coons on the other hand is a doctrinaire Democrat who will oppose repeal.

Please explain how this is a good trade off and a way to avoid serfdom.

598 My point, Rocks, is that O'Donnell is a sure write-in spoiler if she loses.  Castle is not, and to put them in the same boat on that issue--absent any evidence other than "I feels it"--is dumb.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 13, 2010 02:53 PM (+wdm+)

O'Donnell is done if she loses. None of her big name supporters will back her for a  write in and nobody ever gets many write in votes anyway. She won't even attempt a write in campaign. I think she will every quickly fade from view is she loses tomorrow. I don't think she will endorse Castle, I doubt he would even want it.

Someone will win tomorrow and someone will lose. Whoever loses is done with.

Castle can't really endorse her now after his campaign and no one will care what O'Donnell does if she loses.

599 Please explain how this is a good trade off and a way to avoid serfdom.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 13, 2010 03:01 PM (ycZcD)

I don't trust him. Actions are better predictors of future actions than words.

600

I do not see ANY evidence that he would endorse Coons or switch parties.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 02:59 PM (R2fpr)

I doubt he will either. I would only see it if he gets really bitter if he loses tomorrow.

601

There was another poll showing very similar results a day prior to that one I think. I made the same point about the primary polls myself earlier. In polls over the last few months Castle has been in the high 50's at least but over the last month he has dropped slowly till he  is now below 50%. Not the direction you want to be moving.

He still has an 11 point lead.  It's pretty unlikely that he'll drop 11 points with only 9% undecided.  I suspect that the undecideds were a lot higher in the earlier polls.

602 Well, what you are and are not impressed by isn't really at issue. The facts however are a bit stubborn.

My point is I don't need to be explained by what blue states are like.  I'm familiar with them.

It annoys me when people claim that conservatives can't win in blue states.  They can.  I'm sick of hearing, 'it's a blue state' so we have to run Charlie Baker types.  Those guys are the kind of fodder Democrats love to run against.


BTW- Do you think O'Donnell or an O'Donnell type candidate would have won in MA like Brown did?

Brown rode the perfect combination of timing, awful opponent and an uncanny ability to span the gap between moderates and tea party folks. He also had a picture perfect resume and family.

Do you honestly think O'Donnell is in Brown's league when it comes to being a candidate?

No, O'Donnell isn't in Scott Brown's league.  O'Donnell is most definitely not a good candidate.  My point however is that Castle very well might lose to O'Donnell, which indicates that he has run a shitty primary campaign.  It never should have gotten to this point. 

Castle should have made nice with conservatives during the primary.  Even in Massachusetts they do that.  Scott Brown definitely did that.  Give the base a reason to vote for you.  Castle never did.

Is Delaware so blue you can't do that there, when in Massachusetts you can?

603 632

When was the last time a Democrat came out and lobbied against his party?  Against his President?  Against a piece of liberal legislation? Against Democrat candidates?

JL was the one and only who ever tried to do it, and he was creamed.

They don't go to the MSM like Rinos, they don't agitate against commie legislation like Rinos, they don't campaign, trash, and marginalize their liberals. When do they join Republicans to make a bill more conservative???? Hell, our tax cuts had to be TEMPORARY!

They vote with them, as evidenced

604 Like the ad says: 
Sometime you feel like a nut (O'Donnell), sometimes you don't (Castle.)

I'd go with the nut.

605 I just fell like raising a little hell .  Why not?

606

rdbrewer, ah, I see, you're specifically saying she'll run as a write in after she loses?  I see. She'd be pretty stupid to, but if she did it before, yeah, that's a point in your favor, and no, I have no reason to believe he'd run as a write in.  Well, except that it generally seems to be something RINOs love to do (see Crist, Charlie), but no, that's not enough.

So, ok, I misunderstood your earlier post, I thought you were talking about endorsements only, not about running as a write in.  My bad.

Posted by: Qwinn

She has done it before, in 2006. And she got a surprising response. If she tries this, and doesn't self destrust, she can be a source of pain. That's one reason why I want to see her swear against doing it. One reson this primary is so ugly is that for at least one of them, this is probably their last race.

607 Please explain how this is a good trade off and a way to avoid serfdom.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 13, 2010 03:01 PM (ycZcD)

Also people will judge the Rs based on what they accomplish. If Rinos cause the Rs to fail to repeal, then the "truth" that there is no differnce between parties will only solidify. If the fix is in, why not vote for who tips better? Bad for the long term, I think.

608 Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 13, 2010 02:54 PM (+gX1+)

If she somehow gets elected Senator she will stick with conservatives as she would owe it all to them. At least till she's up for reelection in 4 years. I don't expect her to be a hard live conservative if she gets elected. But it's not very hard to be more conservative than Mike Castle anyway.

609 I just read this post, it's fabulous.  It ties it all in.  Says a lot.  It took me two minutes to read and made my day.  link

(Oh, I should warn you, the picture at the link will make you both jealous and hungry at the same time.)

610

Who cares if there is merit? You could find merit for 100 of these complaints in any race.

I care if it has merit. Because that would indicate that the DE GOP did not file a frivolous complaint, unlike Ms. O'Donnell's gender bias lawsuit that she filed. (Which is the very reason for this thread, and which most commenters seem to have forgotten.)

611

This is like listening to the neighbors -- the ones from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York...

612

tHis poSt merEly DemonstratEs thaT Ace is On the PaYroll of The RNC elitEs!!!!!

STOP hidinG in my Bushes and FolloWing me ACE or I'll SUE!!!!

Now Will somEone please geT tHese SPIDERS off of ME!!!!

 

613 (sorry)

As evidenced by the amount of serfdom they heaped upon us in two years.

And as evidenced by their complete takeover of the MSM/Hollywood/Academia/gov Bureaucrat/judiciary...and on and on.

There is no such thing as a conservative Dem when the chips are down, they are only conservative while lying during an election season, just like Rinos.

614

He still has an 11 point lead.  It's pretty unlikely that he'll drop 11 points with only 9% undecided.  I suspect that the undecideds were a lot higher in the earlier polls.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2010 03:04 PM (plsiE)

To lose an 11 point lead you only need to drop 5.51%. I can't remember if the undecided were higher in the earlier polls. But I know Castle was, a lot higher. He's aready dropped at least 10% , there is no reason he couldn't drop another 6%. If he does and only manages to split undecideds he loses.

615

This is like listening to the neighbors -- the ones from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York...

Posted by: Born and Raised Below the Canal

 

And they wonder why we raised the toll on I-95 to $4. After tomorrow, we should raise the damn thing to $7, just to pay for the ant-acids.

616 You guys want my opinion?

617 I admit I haven't real all the posts on all of the O'Donnell v Castle threads, but I've tried to skim them closely. It still seems to come down to folks deciding she's a lunatic, lying, terrible candidate, versus those who either aren't as easily convinced of that point of view, or don't care, given that her opponent has a track record that screams liberal.

I've read Levin's analysis of the lawsuit (which, BTW is not a new issue, and has been placed before the public before--there's several Frei Repubic threads full of the appropriate cites for those who want "proof" of that claim. Knock yourselves out).  Attacking her for the suit is weak sauce, for all the reasons Levin cites.

What's left of the "crazy" meme seems to be boiled down to her claiming the GOP and or Castle have had folks following her around.  The references there get into silly territory fast. I couldn't find a single link showing she actually said they were in her bushes, yet that's the most frequent claim. OTOH, her claims that folks have followed her has been corroborated (see same Fried Repoblik threads if you want links. Have fun.)

The "house/finances / sale/repo" issue has been both blown way out of proportion, and at the same time, swept under the rug, with counter-factual "evidence" supplied by both sides. It looks like the usual deep oppo research digging, and it's also been brought out before.

The college degree flap is similar. Not everyone gets to go to Harvard on the public's dime.  Doesn't bother me. Did she LIE about it? Depends on your stomach for spin. Meeting degree requirements versus getting the paper puts a person in strange territory.  You try answering that question in one second in an interview situation, and we'll see how clever you are at being totally truthful, while trying to convey useful information.

Which seems to leave us with "her public statements." Big surprise, she isn't gifted at public speaking. Like Jan Brewer and Sharon Angle and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.

Newsflash: Not everybody gets to be Allan West.

So the "she's crazier than a syphilitic bordello slave in Shanghai" kind of comments seem a bit hyperinflated, to me.

No, I did not know who she was before last week. But the used-car, sales job done by her detractors isn't convincing me she's less electable than some random candidate.

Which leaves me to ponder electability in Delaware. Since the same sort of shabby electioneering is going on there, it isn't very clear who is and isn't electable there, so only one test will work, as always.

If she wins, Castle is gone, and from looking at his record, that's a good accomplishment.

Winning the Senate is nowhere near as vital as the more viciously written posts claim.  As many have pointed out, having it won means nothing (see term, Bush, George W.).

As for "purity," that's also a weak charge. It totally ignores what has been happening in this country for the last year and a half. It is analysis by way of time-machine back to the days of LBJ. This is not the same environment.

Calling everyone who wants to be a part of this restoration/tea-party movement names, and blaming them for defeat-yet-to-occur is to ignore everything that is going on around us.

You don't have to even be Conservative to see that O'Donnell has a chance NOW that will never be available again in our lifetime.  If this election were six months ago, or probably one year from now, Castle would be the ONLY choice.

This is now, and this time is unique.  To ignore that serves no intellectual purpose.

618

I care if it has merit. Because that would indicate that the DE GOP did not file a frivolous complaint, unlike Ms. O'Donnell's gender bias lawsuit that she filed. (Which is the very reason for this thread, and which most commenters seem to have forgotten.)

Posted by: kallisto at September 13, 2010 03:10 PM (+FkcS)

They have no intention of pursuing the complaint after Tuesday. Merit or not it's as frivolous as her lawsuit. It's simply meant to garner bad pr for O'Donnell.

619

I care if it has merit. Because that would indicate that the DE GOP did not file a frivolous complaint, unlike Ms. O'Donnell's gender bias lawsuit that she filed. (Which is the very reason for this thread, and which most commenters seem to have forgotten.)

Posted by: kallisto

Bingo. This is important especially if she wins. Then she will be the rightful nominee of a party that:

A. Has the goods on her, and needs to see if she should be replaced

or

B. It was frivolous. if so, you would hope that it would be buried as quickly as possible, especially if more tea party money was possible. But that would give the state GOP credit that it may or may not deserve.

620

You can continue to send up repeal legislation. But if the standard by which you are going to judge any subsequent Republican controlled Congress in 2010 is if they can repeal Obamacare, you are only setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

Posted by: Mallamutt at September 13, 2010 03:13 PM (OWjjx)

Forcing vetos would be good enough in the short term.

621

A. Has the goods on her, and needs to see if she should be replaced

or

B. It was frivolous. if so, you would hope that it would be buried as quickly as possible, especially if more tea party money was possible. But that would give the state GOP credit that it may or may not deserve.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 03:16 PM (R2fpr)

Even if she was guilty this would never be resolved before election day. Even if they could get a quick ruling from the FEC she can appeal and they can't replace her as nominee unless she steps down which is hardly likely.

622 Sadly I must clarify the statement "having it won means nothing."

What I meant is that owning both houses has proven to be sad spectacle when the owners refuse to act like they won.

Maybe with a few lefty R's a newer batch of R's can make a difference.  But a year after the election, the quest for money trumps unity, and causes "gang of fourteen" bullshit to ooze out of every orifice.

So what I mean is, winning the Senate is nowhere near as important as some claim.  Obama will get his judges. That's because Conservatives follow the constitution, and won't Bork anyone.

623

A. Has the goods on her, and needs to see if she should be replaced

or

B. It was frivolous. if so, you would hope that it would be buried as quickly as possible, especially if more tea party money was possible. But that would give the state GOP credit that it may or may not deserve.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 03:16 PM (R2fpr)

Even if she was guilty this would never be resolved before election day. Even if they could get a quick ruling from the FEC she can appeal and they can't replace her as nominee unless she steps down which is hardly likely.

Posted by: Rocks

True. What they can do is show merit and try to force her out. I wouldn't rule that out, not here. And if they did have merit, the Dems at least would seize upon it. Think that Reid wouldn't use it to delay seating her, should she actually win in November (winner gets seated immediately)? He delayed seating Scott Brown.

624 This guy sums up the confusion pretty well.  Since I'm only an independent and I'm a Sarah Palin generated political pay attentioner now, maybe I don't understand why you guys are doing this cause I haven't really been observing republican politics but damn, I was saying you both look the same to me, fraternal twins separated at birth and you  know what, haven't changed that opinion.

625 Posted by: Mallamutt at September 13, 2010 03:18 PM (OWjjx)

I thought he was at 59% at one point. My bad. But he hasn't average around 50, he'd been steadily above that, it was a 53.5% average. But I still think his dropping below 50% is significant as a House incumbent and I don't think he can be called a lock because of it.

626

Rino Spartan:

Hey, King Leonidas, maybe we could just give them just half our weapons. That'd work, right?

627 Yeah, you forgot to mention that you thought that the entire Republican blogosphere was taking orders from on high and coordinating their message, EXCEPT ACE.

It's helpful to include those little exceptions if you don't want to be misunderstood.

So where did he come up with "elitist conspiracy"?

For some jackass-bitches like tsoj, "elitist conspiracy" is the new "Racism."

So, let's see:  That's "jackass-bitches", in addition to the earlier "fucking idiot paranoid cunt", "Suck my cock you nutjob paranoid loser", and "Go fap your dick forever to thoughts of finally getting payback against a world conspiring against you, bitch."

And ace is the one who occasionally lectures people about keeping comments within certain boundaries?

The posts that provoked this nonsense, again, were 28, 100, and 283.  Read 'em, and then read ace's response at 293.

I like this blog.  I check it every day.  I recommend it to others.  But, you know . . . I'm pretty sure that it wasn't me that was out of line here.

If O'Donnell wins tomorrow night . . . well, more popcorn, STAT.

628

True. What they can do is show merit and try to force her out. I wouldn't rule that out, not here. And if they did have merit, the Dems at least would seize upon it. Think that Reid wouldn't use it to delay seating her, should she actually win in November (winner gets seated immediately)? He delayed seating Scott Brown.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 13, 2010 03:32 PM (R2fpr)

The complaint is against her and the TPE. The national GOP is counting on the TPE to spend millions on their nominees. They will force the DE GOP to pull the complaint. They won't let the DE GOP take down 4 other candidates just save their own and Mike Castle's ass.

629

K-Bob in post 667 summarizes pretty well my reactions when actually looking into the charges against her.   Weak sauce, mostly.  Particularly the "OMG she sed she almost won when it was like 54-39 or somethink!"  I can only imagine this was said by people who live in red states.  You're a no-name Republican candidate in a blue state that actually gets 39% of the vote?  At least here in NJ, that -is- "almost won".  The fact that she even got double digits is enough for her to fairly crow about, given the circumstances she was in, and if her numbers were rising at the time of the election (I don't know), it's even got a fair chance that she could sincerely believe it to be technically true as well.  The claims that she outright lied about that point are very, very weak sauce.

630 THIS IS A QUOTE (stupid editor)

Mwa ha ha ha!!!!

631

@669 -

another Delaware commenter remarked that this thread is like listening to the tri-state area neighbors. I'm in neighboring Delaware county (PA) and your senate primary if of great interest to me partly because of what is occurring in our own House race. The Republican candidate has discovered that the "tea party candidate" running against him has had petitions filed by Democrat activists, and accordingly filed a complaint.

The (R) candidate, Pat Meehan, is no lightweight. He is the U.S. attorney who prosecuted the Philadelphia pay-to-play scandal. (This issue was covered on Ace of Spades by ace or Drew, I can't recall the author). Anyway I'll get to the point: for all the accusations of Right wing jouronolisting levelled at the anti-O'Donnell crowd, how do we know there aren't Democrat plant faux tea partyites in her camp? (without her knowledge of course). There has been mention in this thread of new nics stridently campaigning for Christine, when really, it's only Delawareans who can cast a vote tomorrow.

 

632

I was saying you both look the same to me, fraternal twins separated at birth and you  know what, haven't changed that opinion.

What an astute observation! That explains why when I used to pray the rosary in front of the abortion clinic at 11th and Pine, every other protestor praying with me was a liberal democrat. Well done.

/sarcasm off

633

What an astute observation! That explains why when I used to pray the rosary in front of the abortion clinic at 11th and Pine, every other protestor praying with me was a liberal democrat. Well done.

Bet Castle wasn't standing beside you either. So what's the diff?

634

If she wins the General, the activists can say "We told you so."

If she loses the General, the Castle folks can say "We told you so."

Either way, we will know which was the best approach.

I find your logic to be faulty. It would be much more helpful a benchmark if she where, oh, I dunno, sane?

635

This has nothing to do with Mike Castle. This has to do with the overused, throwaway, uninformed notion - thank you Glenn Beck - that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans.

That's the diff.

(Megan?)

636 Good point about the "almost won" thingy in 681, Quinn.

I've been reading most of the not-against-O'Donnell posts,
and like Quinn, Rocks, and Vic, I just don't see the bleeding eyeballs, the wild hair, and the dead uncle in the basement vibe that we're supposed to be seeing.

Also, I've seen a LOT of video of Jan Brewer lately, so I don't expect good candidates to sound like Charlton Heston or Margaret Thatcher.

Look, we don't have to love candidates to vote for them. The only reason I think the "you are all fools, suicidal, and crazy for supporting (as if) O'Donnell" posts here have any merit at all is that, in different times, they would be (sort of) correct.  And by "sort of", I mean it's still poor thinking to go hyperbolic with the personal crap just because you are concerned with strategy.

Man, if the namecalling and childish ranting comes out for such a simple disagreement, it only underscores why I'll never be part of any political party.

637

http://tinyurl.com/297bwqn

Castle's ACU ratings

2009: 56

2008: 28

2007: 20

2006: 52

2005: 28

2004: 52

2003: 44

2002: 76

2001: 48

2000: 68

1999: 44

Yes, I did previously misstate his 2008 and 2007 ratings; he's much worse than I'd realized.  Still, this proves that the zombie wannabe's claim that I was lying about the "centrist" Castle is the typical scream of a brave Internet hothead.

638

Check this out. It's from the Weekly Standard. Why the Hell can't he simply say that it's "no longer the right path" for us?? Does he or does he not want to win this stinking primary!?!

Yet, Castle remained unapologetic about his support for cap-and-trade, unlike other moderate Republicans, such as Mark Kirk in Illinois and Scott Brown in Massachusetts, who ran from cap-and-trade when they ran for Senate. "Do I regret supporting it originally? Politically, it would have been easier not to, but ultimately if we get to the point where we are actually improving our environment and do the things we need to do, I donÂ’t necessarily think it was a wasted vote."

But, Castle argued, cap-and-trade is almost certainly dead in this Congress and the next: “My assessement is that [cap-and-trade] legislation is not going to come up. I don't think anything that one could characterize as cap-and-trade or cap-and-tax or anything like that will come up. I think there may be some incentives for alternative sources or something like that, but not anything similar to cap-and-trade.”

639

Mike Castle is pro-abortion. I ask again, what is the difference?

Electing his kind will only alienate folks like me from the party, and he will betray you. Good plan.

640 I might add that the ACU site isn't very well organized, so you have to search for the data--but it is there.

641

684  another Delaware commenter remarked that this thread is like listening to the tri-state area neighbors.

I was not referring to the tri-state area neighbors, but all the neighbors who have moved here from the tri-state area.

Of course the majority of them vote Democrat...

 

642 Well, it's not like people haven't posted the votes that lead people to believe he's a RINO, and it's not like people have based it only on ACU rating.  Pam did a great job of outlining the really odious things this guy has backed, but of course that got completely ignored by the (still ongoing) rants about her use of bold lettering.  Cause the guys on the other side, they're sticking to the facts and all.

643

Check this out. It's from the Weekly Standard. Why the Hell can't he simply say that it's "no longer the right path" for us?? Does he or does he not want to win this stinking primary!?!

Or the old standby - "now that new data has come to light, I've reconsidered". Does teh cap and trade poll well in Delaware?

644

Check this out. It's from the Weekly Standard. Why the Hell can't he simply say that it's "no longer the right path" for us?? Does he or does he not want to win this stinking primary!?!

Or the old standby - "now that new data has come to light, I've reconsidered". Does the cap and trade poll well in Delaware?

Posted by: kallisto

 

I suppose that if you ask someone here about 'going green', they'd say yes. But we still have some industry here. We have two refineries here! if Scott Brown could could say no in Mass, Castle could say no in Delaware.

645

". And in that long time, anyone is going to have votes you disagree with."

Um, dude, it's a bit more than that.  Scroll up and look for those posts by Pam.  They should be easy to find, they're in bold

That's more than a few "votes you disagree with".  That's full raging fucking RINO.

646

Posted by: Mallamutt

We need to resume the howling and not stop until at least Wednesday. Do ya think that Howard Dean was looking into the future and saw this race when he howled?

647 I guess I'd rather have a whack job looney in office than a confirmed RINO or a leftist. Call me crazy.

648

I suppose that if you ask someone here about 'going green', they'd say yes. But we still have some industry here. We have two refineries here! if Scott Brown could could say no in Mass, Castle could say no in Delaware.

What's going on with the old Chrysler plant that Uncle Joe rescued?

(You know I can see why even moderates are starting to hate Mike Castle. But it's a choice between him and a radioactive candidate. That is so messed up.Good luck.)

649 There is no “almost won” in politics. You do not get an “almost vote” in the House or Senate.

Well, that's not exactly true.  If a candidate narrowly wins (100s of votes), he doesn't have a clear mandate.  Smart politicians will realize that means they need to tread carefully and not antagonize their electorate with anything too controversial.

650

I suppose that if you ask someone here about 'going green', they'd say yes. But we still have some industry here. We have two refineries here! if Scott Brown could could say no in Mass, Castle could say no in Delaware.

What's going on with the old Chrysler plant that Uncle Joe rescued?

(You know I can see why even moderates are starting to hate Mike Castle. But it's a choice between him and a radioactive candidate. That is so messed up.Good luck.)

Posted by: kallisto

The Chrysler plant is being torn down. The Univ of Del bought all or most of the land, and has expansion plans.

The GM Boxwood plant will supposedly house an electric or hybrid car company, financed heavily by we taxpayers.

651

And again, Lindsey Graham has a 89 this year for ACU. So, Lindsey Graham is not a RINO. Wheewww, I feel a lot better about his reach across the aisle on Global Warming. With that 89 ACU rating, the country is in fine hands with Lindsey. And that gang of 14, well, he has a 89 lifetime rating, so, I am sure we are all in great hands there again.

So Lindsey Graham is too far left to be acceptable, but Mike "Fuck the Redneck Gun Owners" Castle isn't?

652

And, the losing candidate still doesnÂ’t get to vote

Whereas the winning candidate not only votes for his party's slate of leaders and committee members, he also votes for who they will be.  Coons cannot vote his fellow lefties into the GOP leadership and onto the GOP side of committees.  O'Donnell doesn't want to vote for them.  Castle, however, can and will.

653 Maybe it's because kooky people are deluded enough to think they can win while a rational person knows better than to try.

Maybe the Dems are putting them up to it. O'Donnell needs the money...

654 The term RINO is overused.  It's been applied to everyone from Johnny Isakson to Jim Jeffords.  The point isn't that Mike Castle is a "RINO." It's that he's a doctrinaire socialist, or at least votes like one.

655 If a close election truly effected policy positions, Obamacare would not have passed.

The action of Democrats was unprecedented in that case - in most similar situations, it usually does influence policy positions.

Guys in swing states don't want to vote for highly divisive items.

656 after the Miller win every pundit/wanna be "leader" has been looking for another longshot to back and they found it in O'Donnell ...  

This tells me that Palin is not running in 2012. She played this like a talk radio host or FOX news personality rather than someone serious about being the next POTUS.

657 I am so depressed, give me money and make it all better.

I have to admit this woman gives me the willies. I do not think she is a conservative, I think she is a con artist the Tea Party is her latest mark.

658

This tells me that Palin is not running in 2012. She played this like a talk radio host or FOX news personality rather than someone serious about being the next POTUS.

Now tell us what her choice in footwear tells us about her personal relationships.

659 And that, by the way, is straight out of the leftist playbook -- never credit your opponent's actual stated reasons for arguing a certain way; insist his hidden reasons, his motivation, is illicit.

Matt Lewis just said the same thing at Politics Daily, and it's true. The Tea Party is beginning to look like the Ron Paul Revolution on steroids.

660

If a close election truly effected policy positions, Obamacare would not have passed.

 Obama interpreted his win as a mandate. And it basically was. He kicked McCain's ass. Beat him by more than Bush won over Gore or Kerry.

661 Now tell us what her choice in footwear tells us about her personal relationships.

Her red fuck-me pumps and how often her husband holds her purse in public says it all.

662

The Tea Party is beginning to look like the Ron Paul Revolution on steroids.

Better Paul than McCain.

663 I'm interested in knowing how many of you Castle supporters are on board with Tattoo de Plane saying that Sarah Palin cheats on her marriage.  If this is the line of the GOP establishment, I want no part of it.

664

Castle may be a liberal repub, but a repub majority gives chairmanship to repubs on all the committees.

why the hell can't these people understand, the cause to promote is conservatism, Castle may not be a conservative, but he will give the repubs a majority which means conservatism in the Senate with chairmanships have a shot at it.

O'Donneld is a kook,  Palin is an idiot for inserting herself in this race. 

665

Palin is an idiot for inserting herself in this race. 

So does she cheat on her husband or not?  Tattoo de Plane says she does, and I don't see your side disagreeing with him.

666

As for the palinistas, I support Palin, but the C4P site has convinced me her supporters at that site are more devotees than supporters, they are approaching the Ron paul bots in their zeal for all things Palin.

This is why I truely am hesitating in supporting Palin for president, while I agree with her and support her, she's still too much of a wild card.

667 So I take it you don't think she cheats on her husband?  Why, then, do you tolerate Tattoo de Plane's slander? Obviously anyone who would endorse O'Donnell must be an adulterer.  That's the official line now, seeing as it's out there and no one is distancing themselves from it.

668 I don't even know what the heck people are talking about.  This woman will not win, she tired to against Biden, and was defeated embarassingly.  The voters of DE already have an opinion of this woman from 2008, and its not good. She is no Joe Miller and DE is not AK.

669 Didn't Reagan say something like back the most conservative candidate, but more importantly back the most conservative candidate who can acuatually win. -- in this case that would be Castle.

670 Christine O'Donnell is a crazy attention whore.  There, I said it.

671

732 So Dr. Krauthammer thinks Castle is preferable. Guess he's a RINO hack.

http://tinyurl.com/34vzcoz

In an April 5, 1996, column in the Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer, who forthrightly supports total gun prohibition, wrote, "Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic — purely symbolic — move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."

672 Palin, Bachmann, Haley, and now O'Donnell. I'm waiting for a Republican/conservative woman to come along who DOESN'T get the "crazy eyes/nuts and sluts" treatment. From her own party. I now return to fapping endlessly about paranoid revenge fantasies, or whatever the hell ace was frothing about. Can't wait until the next time he warns us to tone it down.

673 Has anyone noticed how every female Republican candidate has been accused of being crazy, or slutty -- or both?

Yeah, that Lisa Murkowski was a psychofuckstress.

674 "732 So Dr. Krauthammer thinks Castle is preferable. Guess he's a RINO hack." No, but he IS just a member in good standing of the inside-the-Beltway media/pol crowd. Lost a lot of respect for him when he was cooing over Obama's performance on one of Fox's post-debate roundups in '08.

675 "737 Has anyone noticed how every female Republican candidate has been accused of being crazy, or slutty -- or both? Yeah, that Lisa Murkowski was a psychofuckstress." OK, every female Republican candidate who's backed by the Tea Party or otherwise not deemed acceptable by our Ruling Class. As we've learned today, you really have to spell things out here in painfully specific detail, or you're a paranoid nutjob loser who gets invited to suck ace's cock.

676 So does she cheat on her husband or not?

Ken, I have a question for you. Suck my dick.

677

Jesus, is this thread still going?

743 posts I won't give shit about when I go vote tomorrow

678 Kraut also thought the town halls were rude and would turn people off, and the tea parties were not going to amount to much.

But to his credit, he has since said he was wrong.

679

Ken, I have a question for you. Suck my dick.

See, that's why I'm a better judge of this issue than you are.  Being straight, I can spot cheating women better than someone of your persuasion.

But hey, don't take it so hard.  Here's something for your enjoyment.

http://tinyurl.com/yggtd95

 

680 She can't be any crazier than the jackass from Minnesota.

681 "Punk with a keyboard"
Marl Levin

lolololololololo

682

Oh god now Krauthammer is counterrevolutionary. 

No, but he IS just a member in good standing of the inside-the-Beltway media/pol crowd.

It's true, he is.

http://tinyurl.com/2c4k6mw

WSJ/NRO/Weekly Standard types. Where's he right, he's right, but he's in the bubble, right there next to George Will.

Praytell, where was Krauthammer on TARP? Yuh-huh.

Who's the Bernake fanboy?

Say, where did he go to school anyway? You don't suppose he went to one of the same school as the last 2 presidents and 6 USSC justices? What do you know - Harvard (most all the others went to Yale)

Alito - Yale.

Thomas - Yale.

Sotomayor - Yale.

Kagan - Harvard

Scalia - Harvard

Roberts - Harvard

Breyer - Harvard

Kennedy - Harvard

Ginsburg - Transfered to Columbia from Harvard.

George H. W. Bush - Yale.

His opponent in '88, Dukakis -Harvard.

Bill and Hillary Clinton - both Yale.

Gore - Harvard.

W. Bush - Harvard AND Yale.

John F'n Kerry - Yale

Obama - Harvard.

Sarah Palin? Retarded snowbilly bimbo.

So tell me:

Never has there been so little diversity within America's upper crust. Always, in America as elsewhere, some people have been wealthier and more powerful than others. But until our own time America's upper crust was a mixture of people who had gained prominence in a variety of ways, who drew their money and status from different sources and were not predictably of one mind on any given matter. The Boston Brahmins, the New York financiers, the land barons of California, Texas, and Florida, the industrialists of Pittsburgh, the Southern aristocracy, and the hardscrabble politicians who made it big in Chicago or Memphis had little contact with one another. Few had much contact with government, and "bureaucrat" was a dirty word for all. So was "social engineering." Nor had the schools and universities that formed yesterday's upper crust imposed a single orthodoxy about the origins of man, about American history, and about how America should be governed. All that has changed.

Today's ruling class, from Boston to San Diego, was formed by an educational system that exposed them to the same ideas and gave them remarkably uniform guidance, as well as tastes and habits. These amount to a social canon of judgments about good and evil, complete with secular sacred history, sins (against minorities and the environment), and saints. Using the right words and avoiding the wrong ones when referring to such matters -- speaking the "in" language -- serves as a badge of identity. Regardless of what business or profession they are in, their road up included government channels and government money because, as government has grown, its boundary with the rest of American life has become indistinct.

Do you disagree?

And if not, is Krauthammer, for all his graces, not a part of the same clique?

683 The thing about campaigns like O'Donnell's is that they'll never have to apologize for getting their asses kicked in a general election.  The coterie of in-on-the-ground-floor jock-sniffers that surrounds the candidate gets to walk away feeling all warm and smug, telling themselves, "We shook up the world, and made a powerful statement.  Our work has only just begun."

Then, they fade back into obscurity and weasel their way back into the graces of the establishment after a few years.

684

The worst thing about their elitism is that there is no longer anything intellectually "elite" about Yale and Harvard.  As long as you have rich parents, you can get in and glide through school without effort.

It is much more intellectually challenging to get an engineering degree.

685 Being straight, I can spot cheating women better than someone of your persuasion.

Homophobic teabagger.

686 "Posted by: Entropy at September 13, 2010 08:34 PM (eL+YD)" YES. Exactly. Although, around these parts, such talk of our Ruling Class can get you labeled a vengeful loser who wants to get back at the world for all its imagined slights. Or something like that. Either many here haven't read that piece or they've chosen to dismiss it as just another example of Tea Party, Palin-loving nutjobbery. Expressing contempt for the unenlightened rubes is apparently the new Big Tent.

687

Hey, in Krauthammer's favor he graduated from Harvard medical, apparently. I'm sure that's a tough school. Possibly. Tougher than social sciences for sure.

I wouldn't deny that he's a very inteligent, brilliant guy. And often right. But not always.

And he's not hanging around DC being generally representative of middle-america. Peoria? He's got more in common with... all the other people in DC.

Whom seem, I may add, as they have more and more in common with each other, to have less and less in common with most everyone else.

688 Krauthammer said Palin and DeMint's endorsing O'Donnell was "capricious, destructive and irresponsible." Another fun fact. Delaware is the only state in the union where, as of July, ObamaÂ’s approval rating had actually risen from last year to this year.

689

“We stay out of that race because we’re not convinced O’Donnell can win,” FreedomWorks president and CEO Matt Kibbe said at the Christian Science Monitor-sponsored event.

FreedomWorks chair Dick Armey shared the ambivalence toward O’Donnell, who’s sparked a kind of GOP breakdown with her fast-rising candidacy against party stalwart Mike Castle, who most view as a shoo-in for Vice President Biden’s old Senate seat should he win the nomination. Presented with polling data showing likely Democratic nominee Chris Coons beating O’Donnell in a general election, Armey was asked “if it’s better for Republicans to lose with a tea party-backed candidate than to win with a mainstream Republican candidate.”

“I’m going to give a quick answer,” Armey said. “No.”

690 Devin nunes is on with batchelor, in studio.
He has the heavy hitters on the panel tonight and they will be discussing the election tomorrow.

691

Tattoo, it's a damn good thing I do not think for myself and merely mimick the ideas of those public figures who I trust to tell me what I think, otherwise I might find your name dropping to be utterly irrelevant trivia.

Because really, it's so important to me what Krauthammer and Armey think. Everyone knows Dick Armey has never been wrong, ever.

I mean just look - his name is Armey. Like Army. How conservative is that? We should follow his guidance unquestioningly on that basis alone.

692

And the pro-McDonnell forces talking about Sarah and Mark Levin and Sean Hannity are not name droppers either.

Did they convince you?

If not, why emulate a failure?

693 Thanks to Diane and the MSM for making things crystal clear......
guess we now know who the dems and the republicans want in that seat...