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March 16, 2010

Oh, No: Kucinich Is a Yes
— Ace

Via GPollowitz on Twitter -- Howard Finemann reports Kucinich is switching No to Yes.

Posted by: Ace at 04:38 PM | Comments (197)
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1 Can a leper change his spots? Apparently!

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 16, 2010 04:39 PM (S1Ttj)

2 It was a nice Republic you had there.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 04:39 PM (0fq7b)

3 See? Even Dorkus Maximus can be bought!

Posted by: Harry Callahan at March 16, 2010 04:39 PM (LhmkK)

4 They will need more than kucinich to get 216

Posted by: Dan at March 16, 2010 04:39 PM (1jzSs)

5 so they're still 9 votes short, more or less?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at March 16, 2010 04:40 PM (eKgqT)

6 Obama pulled out his New Party creds and reminded Kucinich who he really is....

Posted by: Driver at March 16, 2010 04:40 PM (eXZjc)

7 And this is a surprise because....?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 16, 2010 04:40 PM (YWNAh)

8 Yeah, why is this such a nuclear big deal?

Posted by: DaveS at March 16, 2010 04:40 PM (5c8ur)

9 I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die from that surprise.

Posted by: Dick Cheney at March 16, 2010 04:40 PM (F6+/O)

10 Maybe he was swayed by this Obama Dr. Evil impersonation: http://tinyurl.com/ylb552u

Posted by: Melvin Winter at March 16, 2010 04:41 PM (SvmVa)

11
water is wet!

Posted by: The Prisoner at March 16, 2010 04:42 PM (JY1gZ)

12 old dennis better hope the aliens don't do a massive anal probe tonight, because I bet he is still sore from the probing obage gave him

Posted by: GET LOUD 2 STAY PROUD at March 16, 2010 04:42 PM (PI/0J)

13 Sigh.

I'm in Michigan, and my idiot reps just gave away their votes. And if anyone can use a fed bribe right now, it's Michigan.

Idiots.

/I hate this bill, however, if you're going to vote for it, you should at least try to get a good bribe for your vote, you know?

Posted by: shibumi at March 16, 2010 04:42 PM (OKZrE)

14 It was a nice Republic you had there.

Thank you. We invade Canada in 6 days from now.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 16, 2010 04:42 PM (554T5)

15 I think its the Brotherhood of the Ears.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 16, 2010 04:43 PM (S1Ttj)

16 Kuchinch is a democrat, which is to say, evil, brain dead, and entirely untrustworthy.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 16, 2010 04:43 PM (VpUzd)

17 I wouldn't count on all the no votes that dislike the plan because it doesn't have a public option. They've been enacting systems that have been designed to fail (eventually) since the 40's.

Posted by: Abdominal Snowman at March 16, 2010 04:44 PM (6qdAO)

18 Come on, did anybody really think Kucinich wouldn't votte for this? They promised Representative UFO a ride in Balloon Boy's "saucer," obviously.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 16, 2010 04:44 PM (9IHmo)

19 So Mr. "Firm No" is a Yes. Just like the rest, he was holding out for a sloppy blowjob.

Posted by: Crusty at March 16, 2010 04:44 PM (qzgbP)

20 I heard from a reliable source that himself is deep throat, so all it took was a quick blow job as a "coming attraction" for a solid yes, yes, YES!

Posted by: NY Betsy Rose at March 16, 2010 04:44 PM (XJ3kL)

21 "curious" is secretly wetting its pants.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 16, 2010 04:44 PM (ucq49)

22 I had him as a "Yes" all along. Kucinich voting no on a massive govt power grab is like an alcoholic saying no to a beer because it's just one beer...

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at March 16, 2010 04:45 PM (bv1hq)

23 that's kinda sad about kucinich. prior to this, it seemed like a man of principle - just really misguided ones. revolutionary and not fabian. we need less fabians.

Posted by: Contributor X at March 16, 2010 04:45 PM (UsHD8)

24 What a dirty little weasel.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 16, 2010 04:45 PM (j8s/1)

25
C'mon, he's a Fellow Traveler, of course he's a Yes.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 16, 2010 04:45 PM (+2v1H)

Levin has a fb posting that if they "vote" a the la Slaughter Rule, the Landmark Legal Foundation will bring a fed. lawsuit in DC alongside him.

God speed good sir....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 16, 2010 04:46 PM (YWNAh)

27 I'll take "Duh" for $800, Ace

Posted by: Doc at March 16, 2010 04:46 PM (rzJpR)

28 > 8 Yeah, why is this such a nuclear big deal? Posted by: DaveS I suspect that they're making a fuss (the news conference) over this because Kuchinich will be #216 (when he announces - they might not have 215 yet). At least, that's how they'll play it. If the vote doesn't take place within 24 hours, you know they're lying.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 16, 2010 04:46 PM (lDH4k)

29 No surprise here. Obama had him by the ears.

Posted by: dan in michigan at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (9jRMu)

30 This is no surprise. Can't believe the fuss over it. Is there a Kucinich Dozen? If not, then he's a singular no-to-yes. Someone still has to volunteer to be #216.

Posted by: joejm65 at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (iUBwE)

31
Thank you. We invade Canada in 6 days from now.

Not a bad idea, really. All we need is what, ten, twelve of us to conquer Canadia?

Who's with me?

Posted by: This is rape-rape at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (x9okW)

32
Kuchinch is a democrat

I disagree. Kucinich is a full-blooded communist who runs as a democrat for convenience. Once he got on Air Force One and realized Wee Wee is also a red-diaper baby, he was onboard with Deathcare.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (+2v1H)

33 The only interesting thing will be to see how he justifies it after his "staunch opposition".

Posted by: whatever at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (XIXhw)

34 This should flip two more moderates to the NO column. Kooky Kucinich will get his press conference and be so over-the-top, he'll turn everybody off. Gutierrez is another yes vote. We knew that one too.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 04:47 PM (Vo2Ef)

35 I was in the belly of the beast in DC. This morning, it looked dismal and like not many were going to show up. Then, after lunch, look out! The congresscritter hallways were crawling with people and the 20-something staff pretty much followed SanFranGranNan's memo to be nice, although they can't wait for this to end!

Posted by: RushBabe at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (LKkE8)

36 Can't we conquer someplace with nicer weather instead?

Posted by: Oldcat at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (z1N6a)

37
Not a bad idea, really. All we need is what, ten, twelve of us to conquer Canadia?

I've been there, you will be distracted by their hawt wimmens and bacon. It's like a cult.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (+2v1H)

38 Who the hell thought Kucinich would have ever voted anything other than "YES" at his master's bidding?

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (F09Uo)

39 14 It was a nice Republic you had there.

Thank you. We invade Canada in 6 days from now.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 16, 2010 08:42 PM (554T5)

Stay frosty......

Posted by: crowsting at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (hhFO0)

40 Allahpundit just linked this from CNN. According to them, we're 11 votes short of stopping them.

Crap.

Posted by: Kensington at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (aDdAT)

41 So the little putz sold out for a plane ride? I hope the bill still goes down to defeat and the rat bastard still lost his credibility.

Posted by: nevergiveup at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (0GFWk)

42 Kooky's a yes, Pelosi meets with female members to placate Stupak - the signs are pointing to a looming vote and it doesn't look good folks. Aside from the HC implications, passage of this beast will absolutely murder the economy. Taxes immediately go up on everyone (explicitly or implicitly) which is BAD w/10% UE. I personally know of people that are on the cusp of going under financially that until recently ran very successful businesses. All of that work down the toilet - just like everything else that this country once stood for. Jeez, I need a drink.

Posted by: volfan at March 16, 2010 04:48 PM (mhKJJ)

43 Rather than a program like Social Security or Medicare/Medicaid that start of as a tiny clusterf*ck and turn in to a colossal clusterf*ck, they are going to give us a colossal clusterf*ck from the get go.

I can't wait for them to pass this. Then all those businesses out there not hiring because of an uncertain future can start the hiring frenzy.

/sarc off

Posted by: rockhead at March 16, 2010 04:49 PM (RykTt)

44 From here on, you can assume that any leftest who says "No" is just holding out for a deal.
They will all vote "Yes".
Unless they don't get paid off.
They're not push overs.

Posted by: RayJ at March 16, 2010 04:49 PM (//Bcg)

45 not surprised one bit.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Meteor Summoner At Large at March 16, 2010 04:49 PM (erIg9)

No surprise here. Obama had him by the ears.

I see what you did there!

Posted by: ErikW at March 16, 2010 04:49 PM (JS8/Q)

47 I suspect that they're making a fuss (the news conference) over this because Kuchinich will be #216 (when he announces - they might not have 215 yet). At least, that's how they'll play it. If the vote doesn't take place within 24 hours, you know they're lying.

But Ace and Allah are treating this as if it's THE END. Which it's not.

Posted by: Bordo at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (4YIfg)

48 No one really knows if this thing is gonna pass, do they?

I mean we the 'No's' who are really 'Yes' and the 'firm No' camp has all the courage of a dead chicken.

Just a slow motion coup live on TV.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (593B8)

49 Courage to be a man not of principles.

Posted by: alppuccino at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (OhGgl)

50 Is it "yes" for the Slaughter Option or a yeas for the bill, or what. I'm lost.

Posted by: 48%er at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (gxpfq)

51
We'll take Canadia...and then trade her for Bermuda?

Posted by: This is rape-rape at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (x9okW)

52 I suspect that they're making a fuss (the news conference) over this because Kuchinich will be #216 (when he announces - they might not have 215 yet). At least, that's how they'll play it. If the vote doesn't take place within 24 hours, you know they're lying.

No. What he was promised was the press conference. That's all he ever wants. He would give up his hot promiscuous wife for attention of any kind.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 04:50 PM (Vo2Ef)

53 I'll feel better after we ass rape Canada. Why not? I'd like to see the Stars and Stripes flying over the arctic circle?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 16, 2010 04:51 PM (P33XN)

54 Pelosi must have had this Congresswoman seduce him and do naughty things for him

Posted by: beedubya at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (AnTyA)

Even better news for Obama! Newsweek article says that America actually is in decline!

Barry will go down in history as America's Nero. C'mon everybody! Hip hip... Hey, what's wrong?

HotAir headlines

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (r1h5M)

56 The mothership can't come fast enough to pick up that Commie asshole.....

Posted by: crowsting at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (hhFO0)

57 I'll feel better after we ass rape Canada. Why not? I'd like to see the Stars and Stripes flying over the arctic circle?

Hey, remember me?

Posted by: Alaska at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (XIXhw)

Hey, where's that fucking bear when you need him?

Posted by: Max Power at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (q177U)

59 40 Allahpundit just linked this from CNN. According to them, we're 11 votes short of stopping them.

Crap.

That's about where it's been all week... there's still about 40 or so "undecided". So the moonbats haven't won yet.

Posted by: Doc at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (rzJpR)

60 Speaking of midgets, you can well expect that illiterate La Raza fuck Gutierrez (sp) to vote yes as well.

Posted by: dan in michigan at March 16, 2010 04:52 PM (9jRMu)

61
If Kucenich gave them enough, they'd be voting instead of holding a pep rally.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 16, 2010 04:53 PM (+2v1H)

62
The first thing we'll do is push all those cocksuckers in Quebec up into the Arctic circle.

Posted by: This is rape-rape at March 16, 2010 04:53 PM (x9okW)

63 May his vote go down with those who voted "NO" to going to war with Japan... Their votes are lost in History as they massively did not get reelected. History means nothing to Democrats.

Posted by: mystry at March 16, 2010 04:53 PM (kmgIE)

64 I suspect that they're making a fuss (the news conference) over this because Kuchinich will be #216 (when he announces - they might not have 215 yet).

That sounds about right.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 04:54 PM (OkT2m)

65 Somebody must have told him that AF1 was actually a space ship

Posted by: beedubya at March 16, 2010 04:55 PM (AnTyA)

66 That must have been one hell of a ride obamo gave him. Left a fabulous afterglow! Think he'll be smoking a cigarette at his press conference tomorrow?

Posted by: Mrs. Compton at March 16, 2010 04:55 PM (NaJ/S)

67 That's about where it's been all week... there's still about 40 or so "undecided". So the moonbats haven't won yet.

Posted by: Doc at March 16, 2010 08:52 PM (rzJpR)

Undecided means a cowardly YES who doesn't want to face the shit-storm of letters.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 16, 2010 04:55 PM (593B8)

68 @40 Allahpundit just linked this from CNN. According to them, we're 11 votes short of stopping them.

Yeah, but aren't there like 25 "undecideds"? I thought the math was pretty favorable to killing it.

Posted by: DaveS at March 16, 2010 04:56 PM (5c8ur)

69 You vote when you know you will win. ObamaCare means CW 2.0.

Posted by: eman at March 16, 2010 04:56 PM (xJwcz)

70 Undecided means a cowardly YES who doesn't want to face the shit-storm of letters.

That sounds about right.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 16, 2010 04:56 PM (OkT2m)

71 So, how does it feel, Republic?

Posted by: The Chicken at March 16, 2010 04:57 PM (5I0Yr)

72 When you have Clyburn say they might not vote until Easter, they're short a tad more than four.

Posted by: RushBabe at March 16, 2010 04:57 PM (LKkE8)

73 "so they're still 9 votes short, more or less?"

Big mo. Hence the press conference.

Also, see Crusty:

"So Mr. 'Firm No' is a Yes. Just like the rest, he was holding out for a sloppy blowjob."

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 04:58 PM (0fq7b)

74 This vote drama is killing me ! Like that show House Hunters, in this case Vote Hunters. Is Kucinich going to pick Vote 1, 2, or 3 ??? Stay tuned !

Posted by: Greg at March 16, 2010 04:58 PM (X42OH)

75 So, how does it feel, Republic?

Posted by: The Chicken at March 16, 2010 08:57 PM (5I0Yr)

OK, that was funny!

Posted by: sharrukin at March 16, 2010 04:58 PM (593B8)

76 No surprise. Barry promised him that when we go full commie, he gets to be commisar of Ohio.

Posted by: huerfano at March 16, 2010 04:58 PM (gLSaO)

I apparently didn't get the memo. Kuchinich's wife is hot? Gross. I always assumed she was the one of the aliens he met along with Shirley MacClaine.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 16, 2010 04:59 PM (YWNAh)

78 You vote for my bill and I'll guarantee you that Harry will bring your UFO legislation to the floor of the Senate for an up or down vote - just like your "impeach Bush" bill. And wait! I'll also guarantee you a couple of back door deals worth several million for the "Kucinich UFO Research Center" smack dab in the middle of the new City called Kucinichville!....Deal?"

I thought so. Good boy!

Posted by: Dell at March 16, 2010 04:59 PM (DjVlk)

79 From here on, you can assume that any leftest who says "No" is just holding out for a deal.

Yeah, I was assuming that anyway. But then I've been watching this shit for a year. This is the same House that voted for that fucking Cap and Screw, which would take the Republic down even faster than ObamaCare. ObamaCare is just going to make sure we're all really uncomfortable while the country falls.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 16, 2010 05:00 PM (5I0Yr)

80 The Road to Hell

Posted by: sharrukin at March 16, 2010 05:00 PM (593B8)

81 Okay ... time for hope for Plan B:

Kucinich's support will turn away some of the blue dogs who now realize how insanely leftist this un-Constitutional shit sandwich is, being forced in a coup d'etat.

Of course, the blue dogs are still dems, so they are despicable, lying scum and there's no trusting them at all, but I just hope that they have some personality problems that vocal Kucinich support of the bill sets off.

I'm praying hard.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (A46hP)

82 Fuck Kucinich and the dwarf shetland pony he rode in on!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (Vu6sl)

83 It was a nice Republic you had there.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 08:39 PM (0fq7b)

Thanks. Wait til you see the next one.

Posted by: Texas at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (dQdrY)

84 motherfucker.

Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (GfYt/)

85 Watch Stupak. He's the canary.

Posted by: eman at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (xJwcz)

86 Thank you. We invade Canada in 6 days from now.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 16, 2010 08:42 PM (554T5)

That's not a bad idea soap. We could deport the lib mulletheads to our old country and get rid of the Queen of England and piss off the brits at the same time.

Posted by: robtr at March 16, 2010 05:01 PM (fwSHf)

87 Kucinich is from a red district. He will probably lose his seat now.

Posted by: bergerbilder at March 16, 2010 05:02 PM (S1Ttj)

88 SNL nailed this months ago in a skit about international relations. Sweet little Dennis just wanted The Won to kiss him and bring him flowers before he sexed him.

Posted by: obladioblada at March 16, 2010 05:02 PM (J6Qdg)

89 Not a bad idea, really. All we need is what, ten, twelve of us to conquer Canadia?

Who's with me?

I'm in...as long as we're back in time for dinner. That poutaine looks gross

Posted by: beedubya at March 16, 2010 05:02 PM (AnTyA)

90 Levin has a fb posting that if they "vote" a the la Slaughter Rule, the Landmark Legal Foundation will bring a fed. lawsuit in DC alongside him.

God speed good sir....

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 16, 2010 08:46 PM (YWNAh)

Other than politics and publicity for Levin, a waste of time.

Oh, I guess the legal effort might as well be tried. I don't fault Levin for putting his time and money where his mouth is and pledging to do that. But it's unlikely the court would step in and tell the House and Senate what their internal procedures must be.

Put none of your hope there. It's a false hope.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 05:02 PM (0fq7b)

91 Y'all miss me yet?

Posted by: Joe McCarthy at March 16, 2010 05:03 PM (554T5)

92 I am more worried about the rumored "sisterhood" meeting in the morning with Bo Tox Mama.

Are the womyns going to give Stupak an amendment? If so, we're fucked.

Posted by: Kemp at March 16, 2010 05:03 PM (2+9Yx)

93 If the 'Pubbies are smart, they'll know how to spin this. Kucinich being for it should make it more toxic to the blue-lap-dogs.

Also, if they pass this with no vote in the House and the nuclear option in the Senate, there's no reason we can't repeal it the same way. Every R should campaign on this.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+/tard at March 16, 2010 05:03 PM (IoUF1)

94 Thanks. Wait til you see the next one.

Posted by: Texas at March 16, 2010 09:01 PM (dQdrY)

Heh, heh.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 05:03 PM (0fq7b)

95 My theory is that all the yes to no switches are either pedophiles, they have stacks of cash hidden in their freezer, or peloser is sitting on photos of them doing blow with Marion Barry and a bunch of ghetto hookers.

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 16, 2010 05:04 PM (DHNp4)

96 I'm being raped before your eyes! Won't you please help me?

Posted by: America The Beautiful at March 16, 2010 05:04 PM (3hC9a)

97 Where's my AoSHQ Moby of the Year, curious? I'm on a mission.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 16, 2010 05:05 PM (ucq49)

98 ** i mean no to yes switches

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 16, 2010 05:05 PM (DHNp4)

99 I'm surprised, but only because when I read the Fox news headline about the world's smallest person being dead, I thought Kucinich had passed on.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 16, 2010 05:06 PM (pTvLb)

100 Of course he is. It's not the end of the world. This is why I've long maintained that IF they get this to a vote, it will pass -- when you get a once-in-a-generation chance to get the socialist foot in the door, you take that chance. No way the moonbats vote "no" on this, public option or no public option.

IF they get it to a vote.

Posted by: bullfrog at March 16, 2010 05:06 PM (g+3Ca)

101

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 16, 2010 09:04 PM (DHNp4)

Would any of those things really lower their status in the Democratic Party?

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 05:06 PM (0fq7b)

102 This is all theater intended to give the impression of momentum. Don't let it work.

Posted by: mghorning at March 16, 2010 05:07 PM (RDCT1)

103 Would any of those things really lower their status in the Democratic Party?

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 09:06 PM (0fq7b)

Of course not, but they don't want to lose their family or got to jail. It's the Chicago way.

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 16, 2010 05:08 PM (DHNp4)

104
curious isn't a moby...she's just, how do I say...naive.

Posted by: This is rape-rape at March 16, 2010 05:08 PM (JY1gZ)

105

making a donation to Levin's site right now.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-democrat at March 16, 2010 05:09 PM (ACkhT)

106 They must have promised him he'd get his "Preciousss" back as part of the bill....

Posted by: aggiebc at March 16, 2010 05:09 PM (e7WSS)

107 how many times have we sat up all night when the "bill is almost passed?"

Posted by: willow at March 16, 2010 05:10 PM (7FgWm)

108 So, does the midget get a full vote?

Posted by: Winston Smith, Slayer of Unicorns at March 16, 2010 05:10 PM (BFqyO)

109 The Slaughter Diversion is a head-fake, and seems to be working nicely. While Republicans are busy pounding their desks over a tactic that the Democrats would never actually use... Pelosi is working hard behind the scenes and securing all the votes she needs to pass their bill "honestly."

Republicans can't "kill the bill" by playing defense and trying to run down the clock. That might work when your team is ahead, but right now the Dems are up on points... plus they control the clock. R's may want to lead the country, but D's are intent on *ruling* it. If the Republicans have any hope of defeating this health care initiative, they need to rally around a single, strong message and get it out there - and fast.

Posted by: Toboti at March 16, 2010 05:11 PM (k3O59)

110 No trick is be missed. If it is unconstitutional, so be it. They will take their chances on the SCOTUS not doing anything.

Posted by: mystry at March 16, 2010 05:11 PM (kmgIE)

111

Kucinich is from a red district. He will probably lose his seat now.

The 10th District in Cuyahoga County is one of the few solid blue areas in Ohio. Barring a recall from one of Saturn's moons, Kucinich is likely here to stay.

Posted by: ErikW at March 16, 2010 05:12 PM (JS8/Q)

112

I think that Obama and Kucinich shared a doobie on Air Force One will flying to Ohio from Washington yesterday. After some really boss Hawaiian weed, they were best buds, and old Dennis was sure gonna help out Baracky.

He helped wreck Cleveland's finances back in the '70's, and now he's going big league.

He's the Forrest Gump of the House. Run Dennis, run!!

Freakin' retard.

Posted by: Reader CJ Burch says.. at March 16, 2010 05:12 PM (sJTmU)

113 Dude, I'm flashing back to 2007 and the Comprehensive POS. Stop buying cheap weed.

Posted by: eman at March 16, 2010 05:12 PM (xJwcz)

114 ... They will take their chances on the SCOTUS not doing anything.

Posted by: mystry at March 16, 2010 09:11 PM (kmgIE)

Not only that - packing the court is still on the table. If they are willing to do this, then you can bet that they will do ANYTHING.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 16, 2010 05:13 PM (4nbyM)

115 97 My theory is that all the yes to no switches are either pedophiles, they have stacks of cash hidden in their freezer, or peloser is sitting on photos of them doing blow with Marion Barry Barack Obama and a bunch of ghetto hookers.

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 16, 2010 09:04 PM (DHNp4)

FIFme

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 16, 2010 05:14 PM (Vu6sl)

116 The Slaughter Diversion is a head-fake, and seems to be working nicely. While Republicans are busy pounding their desks over a tactic that the Democrats would never actually use... Pelosi is working hard behind the scenes and securing all the votes she needs to pass their bill "honestly."

This is my thought too. The focus should still be on not trusting the Senate in reconciliation.

Posted by: whatever at March 16, 2010 05:14 PM (XIXhw)

117 I wonder how much he got?

Posted by: bill-tb at March 16, 2010 05:15 PM (y+QfZ)

118 Shithead demon.

Posted by: ParisParamus at March 16, 2010 05:15 PM (TFs5o)

119

I always believed Dennis Kucinich took it up the squeakhole from Martians, but now it's confirmed he takes it up the squeaker from Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Fish at March 16, 2010 05:16 PM (M5t+h)

120 89 Kucinich is from a red district. He will probably lose his seat now. Posted by: bergerbilder at March 16, 2010 09:02 PM

He is? Really? Wow.

Posted by: jcjimi at March 16, 2010 05:16 PM (PQeZm)

121 Fuck. Wonder how much he cost.

Posted by: Filly at March 16, 2010 05:17 PM (onwJ3)

122 Awesome drawing posted (and I think drawn) by Jim Geraghty over at the NRO:

http://tinyurl.com/yhjurtg

Posted by: Doc at March 16, 2010 05:17 PM (rzJpR)

123 My 45 caliber Glock says ObamaCare is unconstitutional.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 16, 2010 05:17 PM (Vu6sl)

124

kucinich- giving my word means alot to me.

Obama- How much?

Posted by: willow at March 16, 2010 05:18 PM (7FgWm)

125

I still am not sure the midget switched. I don't understand why he would call a frigging press conference to say never mind to all the crap he has been saying about why he won't vote for the bill. It seems he would want to just fade into the woodwork, vote for it and dodge a few questions from the press.

He is going to look like an idiot changing now. Or a weak little whore dem, either way I still am not sure.

Posted by: robtr at March 16, 2010 05:20 PM (fwSHf)

126

A U.F.O. told him to say yes.

Posted by: Blazer at March 16, 2010 05:21 PM (t72+4)

127

Dennis Kucinich and his ginger Martian appendage.

Posted by: Fish at March 16, 2010 05:21 PM (M5t+h)

128 I would imagine Kucinich is one of a few leftist loons that were holding out for even more insane shit regarding Obamacare. Anyone to the left of Dear Leader will be easily bought off- so this is nothing more than fake momentum that the media will trumpet as "significant". The biggest battle here on out will be the perception of inevitability - tomorrow is the Democrats first salvo.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 16, 2010 05:23 PM (IV3rS)

129 "He is going to look like an idiot changing now."

Oh no. I'm sure Dennis U.F.O.-Shirley McCain Kucinich is really worried about that one.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 05:23 PM (0fq7b)

130 How can a democrat in the House of Representitives say "no" to a face like this? http://tinypic.com/r/2aj72gi/5

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 16, 2010 05:23 PM (Vu6sl)

131 Kind of sad that we are depending on Democrats to save us here.

Posted by: kansas at March 16, 2010 05:24 PM (34yXu)

132 Is this really nukeworthy? If Obama has to bring out a guy who sees saucers out to manufacture momentum (and by the way is already a huge leftist) what does this really say about the state of things? Kusinich is anything but a blue dog, and those are the ones who will decide this, not commie assweasels like him.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 16, 2010 05:24 PM (CWErq)

133

If they succeed, and I still pray they do not, they will know that there is nothing that they can not force down our throats. No law or customer will stay their hand. They will stop at nothing to destroy all remaining good in this nation. They'll do every vile thing that their corrupt imaginations can concieve, up until they are finally thrown out. Will they leave elections in place? And if they do, will there be anything even slightly resembling an honest vote count?

People need to start giving thought to what constitutes an illegal, illegitimate government, and deciding what is to be done once we get there.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 16, 2010 05:24 PM (4nbyM)

134

Why "oh no"?

I NEVER counted on Kucinich to hold onto his no vote.

I am more worried about whether the Stupak gang will vote yes. That's a more realistic concern. This bill was never going to pass or fail depending upon Kucinich, though. If you ever thought HE was going to be on the side to kill it, I'm shocked.

Posted by: Vyceroy at March 16, 2010 05:25 PM (W2hwr)

135
It was a nice Republic you had there.

Posted by: Christoph at March 16, 2010 08:39 PM (0fq7b)

Thanks. Wait til you see the next one.

Posted by: Texas at March 16, 2010 09:01 PM (dQdrY)

We Got Your Back !

Posted by: Virginia at March 16, 2010 05:25 PM (t72+4)

136 56

Even better news for Obama! Newsweek article says that America actually is in decline!

Well then Hussein is a success already.

Posted by: kansas at March 16, 2010 05:26 PM (34yXu)

137 Kind of sad that we are depending on Democrats to save us here.

Posted by: kansas at March 16, 2010 09:24 PM (34yXu)

Yeah , I said that about 200 threads ago. None of them have a spine.

Posted by: robtr at March 16, 2010 05:26 PM (fwSHf)

138

87 Watch Stupak.

He's the canary.

unfortunately, he's caged, in a coal mine

and 'blinky' controls the exhaust ducts

Posted by: pitchforksandpowder at March 16, 2010 05:26 PM (vgX9V)

139 Kind of sad that we are depending on Democrats to save us here.

Now we know how the little Dutch boy felt standing there with his finger in the dike. So to speak.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 16, 2010 05:27 PM (554T5)

140 If Kucinich is a flip, shouldn't we encourage them to use the Slaughter rule, so we can use the same rule to repeal HCIR, when we regain control? Or, and I delusional again?

Posted by: sybilll at March 16, 2010 05:29 PM (2qkFk)

141 I am as pessimistic as anyone, but I don't think this is anywhere near being in the bag. Between The Hill, Fire Dog Lake, NRO and some other whip counting sites, I am led to believe that there are about 219 no's in the bag. And, all that is assuming Kucinich , Marion Barry, Gutierrez and Quellar vote yes. In fact, the I found the CNN piece to be uplifting because they are mentioning folks as no's that FDL has in the yes camp. My math skills suck, so Gabe should seriously check my work. Then there is always the worry that all democrats are lying crapweasels.

Posted by: Putter at March 16, 2010 05:31 PM (ZDN4B)

142 I'm surprised, but only because when I read the Fox news headline about the world's smallest person being dead

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 16, 2010 09:06 PM (pTvLb)

He died of a lack of healthcare.

Posted by: Lib Dummy at March 16, 2010 05:31 PM (5I0Yr)

143

It is 100% despicable how the top Democrats will say or do anything to erode you convictions. It takes guts to stand up to the constant barrage of haranguing from any and all of your "friends"

Posted by: mystry at March 16, 2010 05:34 PM (kmgIE)

144

Nancy calling all the womens together?

http://tinyurl.com/ygf3eus

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Posted by: shape ups shoes at March 16, 2010 05:36 PM (3iGDt)

146

People need to start giving thought to what constitutes an illegal, illegitimate government, and deciding what is to be done once we get there.

Posted by: Reactionary at March 16, 2010 09:24 PM (4nbyM)

We're already there. The solution is:

Secession.

That is the only way the American creed will survive, as it must.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 16, 2010 05:36 PM (A46hP)

147 Wait-- I thought the fork had been stuck in this? Several times over?

Filly confuzzled.

Posted by: Filly at March 16, 2010 05:38 PM (onwJ3)

148 firedoglake is now saying 191 yeas, 206 nays (206-Y 209-N with leaners)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b+/tard at March 16, 2010 05:42 PM (IoUF1)

149

If Stupak votes for this after this is revealed, he'll never see another win again.

http://tinyurl.com/y88zcq2

Posted by: RushBabe at March 16, 2010 05:45 PM (LKkE8)

150 Now we know how the little Dutch boy felt standing there with his finger in the dike. So to speak.
-----------------
Oh no you don't. <shudder>

Posted by: Thens van den Jannsen, Rosie's "first" at March 16, 2010 05:47 PM (XIXhw)

151 Bienvenue Ã France. Mais vous ne recevrez pas l'aide mÃ©dicale, mes amÃ©ricains. Vous devez attendre en queue. Dites-vous "au revoir" aux idÃ©es vielles et inutiles, soit "libertÃ©."

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 05:50 PM (AZGON)

152 Who let the frogs out?

Posted by: sifty at March 16, 2010 05:52 PM (Wy8hw)

153 I expect nearly all the Democrats who presently claim they've voting "no" to change by the time it finally comes down, just like they did last time. Because when it comes down to the final countdown, they all want socialized medicine, they just have quibbles with the present plan and are scared of their constituents.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 16, 2010 05:55 PM (PQY7w)

154 156 Alors, M. Kucinich, n'est-ce pas?

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 05:55 PM (AZGON)

155 I would think Stupak would like his legacy (if he is true to his values) would be to be THE one to stop this, instead of THE one who enabled this. Obama would be a symbolic footnote, Stupak would be the Maverick that stood against this nonsense.

Posted by: sybilll at March 16, 2010 05:58 PM (2qkFk)

156 It will be damn close to unanimous on the Dem side.

Posted by: sifty at March 16, 2010 05:59 PM (Wy8hw)

157 Forget repeal, everyone. Even if the pubbies controlled both Houses, Barry vetoes the repeal and it's impossible to get enough Senate votes for override. By the time 2012 rolls around, the inertia of existing law will prevent rolling back Hellcare. No serious effort will touch it from the GOP side. Look at Medicare Part D. It's here for good, and it was a Bush bill. It's over folks. We're a third-rate France now.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 05:59 PM (AZGON)

158 104 This is all theater intended to give the impression of momentum. Don't let it work.

Posted by: mghorning at March 16, 2010 09:07 PM (RDCT1)

Seriously, such a bunch of pussies around here for a military blog. Nothing has changed since a week ago, except Keebler Elf announced his YES vote. Who the fuck thought Kucinich would vote any other way?

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2010 06:00 PM (mHQ7T)

159 160 It will be damn close to unanimous on the Dem side.

Posted by: sifty at March 16, 2010 09:59 PM (Wy8hw)

Except for that pesky vote #216. Even Tickle-Me-Massa didn't want that shit.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2010 06:01 PM (mHQ7T)

160 Kucinich just gave permission for every Democrat who wanted to vote "no, 'cause it ain't lefty enough" to flip and vote "yes."

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 06:02 PM (AZGON)

161 I would think Stupak would like his legacy (if he is true to his values) would be to be THE one to stop this, instead of THE one who enabled this.

Posted by: sybilll at March 16, 2010 09:58 PM (2qkFk)

Sadly, Stupak is FOR this health scare. He just has problems with some abortion funding. Other than that, he'd love to shove this un-Constitutional POS down all of our throats right along wiht the rest of the Washington junta and their Indonesian leader.

Stupak is totally untrustworthy and has no good intentions, at all.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 16, 2010 06:02 PM (A46hP)

162 Eight percent or higher unemployment baked into the system with the Senate bill passing, Hellcare will balloon in cost three or five times above what is projected, millions lose their employer-provided policies over time, MSM calls for single-payer to address this new improved healthcare crisis. "See? Private insurance failed eleventy!" And Barry waves a flag of victory in 2012, as the MSM demonizes anyone wanting to water down Hellcare.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 06:06 PM (AZGON)

163

Many moons ago, my grandpappy imparted words of wisdom to me. He told me that I should never disbelieve a Democrat because some of Grandpa's friends were good people and even though they talked crazy talk, they were nice people.

Well no, not really. They're all lying cocksuckers. Who the fuck convinced you otherwise?

Posted by: ErikW at March 16, 2010 06:07 PM (JS8/Q)

164 "Kuchinch is a democrat, which is to say, evil, brain dead, and entirely untrustworthy." "They're all lying cocksuckers." "Then there is always the worry that all democrats are lying crapweasels. " I shouldn't have come here. I forgot what scary, hateful place this is. I was looking for some good healthcare talk on how to stop this thing, instead i got reminded of the bad side of my party. This is embarassing.

Posted by: BetterBeRed at March 16, 2010 06:16 PM (1+c7l)

165

That was my dual-personality artistic self taking advantage of Pelosi's fully financed totally free retirement system.

For artists, bitch!

Posted by: ErikW at March 16, 2010 06:16 PM (JS8/Q)

166 instead i got reminded of the bad side of my party.

This is embarassing.

Posted by: BetterBeRed at March 16, 2010 10:16 PM (1+c7l)

Would you say that makes you "concerned"?

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 06:26 PM (Vo2Ef)

167 Posted by: BetterBeRed at March 16, 2010 10:16 PM (1+c7l)

Awwh, are you concerned?

Posted by: The Mega Indepdendent at March 16, 2010 06:30 PM (5I0Yr)

168 AmishDude at March 16, 2010 10:26 PM (Vo2Ef)

LOL nevermind.

Posted by: The Mega Indepdendent at March 16, 2010 06:31 PM (5I0Yr)

169
"I shouldn't have come here. I forgot what scary, hateful place this is. I was looking for some good healthcare talk on how to stop this thing, instead i got reminded of the bad side of my party. "

It sounds like facts to me that are being discussed here. Wasn't one of the no/maybe votes a guy who enjoyed snorkelling his shipmates.

Posted by: Wingnut at March 16, 2010 06:36 PM (j89cH)

170 Yeah, Mega, you'd think they'd send a troll that realizes that when a thread is 4 down on the site and at 170 replies it isn't really worth trolling.

I did like the careful pulling of quotes, though. Nice touch.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 06:36 PM (Vo2Ef)

171 like none of you wouldn't crawl on your knees to do whatever Mrs Kucinich wanted you to do

Posted by: Andy Rand at March 16, 2010 06:36 PM (mhD2v)

172

I shouldn't have come here. I forgot what scary, hateful place this is. I was looking for some good healthcare talk on how to stop this thing, instead i got reminded of the bad side of my party.

This is embarassing.

It's a rough place. Next time cover your virgin eyes.

Posted by: ErikW at March 16, 2010 06:37 PM (JS8/Q)

173 So what does he need the press conference for if he took the plane ride and "was persuaded" to vote yes....ok, who cares to watch his press conference, prolly not even his constituents....

What's up with nan p getting the girls together. Thought you guys were kidding on the other thread but, there it is on drudge...

divide and conquer, divide and conquer....scary but true...my gram used to say it all the time when she didn't like what someone was doing..

Posted by: curious at March 16, 2010 06:39 PM (p302b)

174 "This is embarassing.

Posted by: BetterBeRed at March 16, 2010 10:16 PM (1+c7l)"

Awww,,,ain't that sweet. BBR is concerned.

*gag

So, Obama promised Kucinich a public option. How do they get that in there?

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 16, 2010 06:44 PM (JPFLH)

175 heh, he's a member of the Mile High Club now

Posted by: Bunker at March 16, 2010 06:46 PM (2MByZ)

176 They don't get it in there. Kucinich is a chump.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 06:47 PM (Vo2Ef)

177

Kucinich just gave permission for every Democrat who wanted to vote "no, 'cause it ain't lefty enough" to flip and vote "yes."

What are you smoking? I don't think any rational person was depending on any of the moonbat dems to vote no. Carol Shea Porter is a perfect example. She claims she's undecided but you'd have to be a total maroon to believe there's one chance in a million she's going to vote no.

Posted by: ADK46er at March 16, 2010 06:47 PM (pRvXg)

178 "These people are nuts!" -- Orin Hatch talking about the dems on Greta

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 16, 2010 06:48 PM (A46hP)

179 Amish - I should have said ,, I wonder what Obama's explanation was.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at March 16, 2010 06:48 PM (JPFLH)

180 I think Obama's pitch was the ratchet strategy. First, this mess. Then, premiums go up. Then public option. Etc.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 06:52 PM (Vo2Ef)

181

Who cares if Stupek or (insert random D name here) never wins another election ? Really? That's the fuckin punishment?

I'll keep my predictions to myself, but offer some advise. Buy food.

Posted by: OneEyedJack at March 16, 2010 06:56 PM (Poe30)

182 Yeah, well, if your plan to preserve the remnants of ordered liberty were founded on Dennis Kucinich, you need a better plan. Custer had a better plan than that.

Posted by: Ken at March 16, 2010 07:02 PM (vT7rz)

183 I don't hear the fat lady yet. . .
This project still has three more days (at least).

Posted by: looking closely at March 16, 2010 07:05 PM (KNy97)

184 Â“Kucinich told Obama that he wants a full ERISA waver and a public option in exchange for his vote.Â” -- from FireDogLake

Interesting, because Obama can offer nothing like that. With Scott Brown in the Senate, the only way to get what he wants is through the Slaughter rule, i.e., reconciliation.

So, his vote is for the Slaughter strategy.

You know, I don't know that these vote counts have counted regular votes against Slaughter votes. I'd think the Slaughter gambit gets more commies but it has to be poison for a handful of other Dems.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 16, 2010 07:08 PM (Vo2Ef)

185 What are you smoking? I don't think any rational person was depending on any of the moonbat dems to vote no. If one subscribes to "all Dems are the same" then this would have passed long ago. Every no flipping to a yes only increases the perception of momentum and who is a winning side. Far more clever observers than any random AOSHQ moron have opined that Dem opposition consisted of several varieties, including a faction who were opposed to approving the Senate bill because it is not far enough to the left. If every hard left Dem was always a yes, this would be much closer. If what firedoglackey reports is true, that is an interesting wrinkle. Many Dems may be holding out for goodies, whether illusory or not.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2010 07:23 PM (AZGON)

186 If one subscribes to "all Dems are the same" then this would have passed long ago.

Sure. but the far left moonbats know it's a foot in the door. They know once anything is passed, Obama can declare a victory and then the serious march leftward begins. Not to write them off completely, maybe they really have principles, too, but the Democrats in red districts seem more persuadable.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2010 07:33 PM (mHQ7T)

187 I'd think the Slaughter gambit gets more commies but it has to be poison for a handful of other Dems.

No, it's poison for every Democrat. Especially if it goes to Court and even more especially if the Court rules it's unconstitutional. It's a huge gamble.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2010 07:35 PM (mHQ7T)

188

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189 "139 Kind of sad that we are depending on Democrats to save us here. Posted by: kansas at March 16, 2010 09:24 PM (34yXu) Yeah , I said that about 200 threads ago. None of them have a spine." Take it up with Michael Steele.

Posted by: Cameron Diaz at March 16, 2010 08:25 PM (gntda)

190 Never give up -never. We pressure, cajole persuade the dem nos and maybes to vote no. We win the house and senate in november, and if need be we go on general strike in January until every marxist crap law that did get enacted is revoked and/or Obama resigns. Shut off the spigot, let the layabout whiny libs go hungry and they will fold.

Posted by: PaleRider at March 16, 2010 08:28 PM (ZoXIL)

191 I knew Kucinich was a wack-job but I at least thought he was a principled wack-job and could'nt be bought by some romance on Air Force One.

Posted by: CattusMagnus at March 16, 2010 08:43 PM (884Q/)

192 Well, what did you expect from this little twerp? Fucking commie freak. I bet he jerks it to Yo Yo Gabba.

Posted by: Warden at March 16, 2010 09:07 PM (TIGTh)

193 We are so boned.

Posted by: DelD at March 16, 2010 09:35 PM (eWtdM)

194 Gee. Gawrsh. How stunning. Looney leftist in favor of looney leftist takeover of healthcare.

Again. For the hundredth time. If you people are depending on *DEMOCRATS* to kill this bill, then you're fucking delusional idiots.

Hey, radical idea; next time out, VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: sanssoucy at March 17, 2010 01:12 AM (Iq+yI)

195 Impressive, all those Moderate Independent voters are F*(king awesome SMMMAARRT for empowering the most extreme Left-wing government in US History.

Want Hugo Chavez for President?

Posted by: syn at March 17, 2010 02:59 AM (IlCz1)

196 While this may in fact be true, a lot of people are putting their faith in career assbag Howard Fineman being correct about something. The simpleton shitstain is a peer of dumbass Chris Matthews.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 17, 2010 05:07 AM (ZxEhm)

197 *yawn* And Cao is a no. A net zero for ObamaCare.

Sanssoucy, you're still a know-nothing useful-tool cocksucker.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at March 17, 2010 10:14 AM (smQog)

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