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March 21, 2010

Oh, No: Stupak to Hold Press Conference Announcing Vote at 4pm
— Ace

This probably means he's going to announce a deal for his vote, and that Barack Obama's executive order is plenty enough for him, and that he's a yes.

As Drew's been writing, Stupak really wants to vote for the bill -- in fact, Drew keeps saying he's willing to pay Nancy Pelosi for the privilege of doing so.

Incidentally, Obama's EO cannot overturn the law. (Or at least that used to be the case, when we lived in a Republic.) If the law says x, a contradicting EO saying Y is null and void.

Even if there is some way to avoid a contradiction there, a subsequent law explicitly overruling the EO would trump it. And Democrats have a majority for that.

Posted by: Ace at 11:36 AM | Comments (185)
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1 Stupak is Judge Ito on steriods with this shit.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at March 21, 2010 11:37 AM (RI9Pd)

2 He's a yes.

Doom. Chaos.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 11:37 AM (UQLAD)

3 Another cheap whore bought and paid for.

Posted by: Darth Rove at March 21, 2010 11:37 AM (GfYt/)

4 Fuck you, Bart.

Posted by: Y-not at March 21, 2010 11:37 AM (Kn9r7)

5 Is anyone not going to see through this executive order ruse? He better be getting more than that or he's an idiot.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at March 21, 2010 11:38 AM (muUqs)

6 Or is it more disinformation bullshit?

Posted by: Darth Rove at March 21, 2010 11:38 AM (GfYt/)

7 It's amazing how weak democrats are. I've always known they are cowards but this just cements it.

Posted by: Gride at March 21, 2010 11:38 AM (DTyjM)

8 Hey Bart: thanks for letting us know how much you value your principles (assuming you had them at all, and it wasn't just political cover.)

Posted by: Harry Callahan at March 21, 2010 11:39 AM (LhmkK)

9 I'm only surprised he's announcing it so early in the schedule.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 11:39 AM (OkT2m)

10 It's amazing how weak democrats are. I've always known they are cowards but this just cements it. Posted by: Gride at March 21, 2010 03:38 PM (DTyjM) If they were not cowards, they would not be democrats

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 21, 2010 11:39 AM (uuJ8n)

11 I mentioned 2 theories before. One is that he wanted to vote for this bill so much but the Catholic bishops tore off his fig leaf. So he's just going to announce his vote and announce the "deal" without anybody getting a chance to complain until it's too late.

The second? The bloc is not holding and they won't be united. My basis is Marcy Kaptur's defection early this morning. She didn't want to wait on the bloc to decide.

But I am as pessimistic as Ace, I think the bloc will split and it will be enough for Nancy.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 21, 2010 11:40 AM (Vo2Ef)

12 This turd grandstanded for the ignorant folks back home and will now fall in line like a good little socialist pig.

Posted by: Mons Pubis at March 21, 2010 11:40 AM (4P1T+)

FLASH: Senate Republicans found a provision in the new House health care bill that likely makes it ineligible for expedited 'reconciliation' procedures in the Senate. Dems refused to meet with GOP and Parliamentarian.... Developing....

(@drudge)

probably means nothing but whatever....

Posted by: FLGirl at March 21, 2010 11:40 AM (sunrw)

14 Anyone who counts on a Democrat to do the right thing needs to go back and re-learn how to count.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (eNxMU)

15 Another cheap whore bought and paid for.

Posted by: Darth Rove at March 21, 2010 03:37 PM (GfYt/)

Fuck you. Leave a 20 on the nightstand.

Posted by: Bart Stupak at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (UQLAD)

On the positive side, Obama is going to look bad to his baby killin' base for at least an hour.

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (OfFBH)

17 Remember this, America. Every day we have to post a name and a photo of one of these sell-outs, all the way to Election Day.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (zgZzy)

18 Hope you have your hard hats on, because it's going to be a cave in.

Posted by: enoxo at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (Aterp)

19 he's an idiot. I'll take door number 2. he think no one sees through all his posturing and ass covering?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (6NDQy)

20 No matter your point of view on this, how does Stupak come out of this looking like anything other than a chump?
The whole Catholic act was like all other things democrap - bullshit.
Talk about taking yourself too seriously on an EPIC SCALE.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 21, 2010 11:41 AM (HBqDo)

21 Marcy left like 2 days ago. They were just pumping it in the press today.

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 11:42 AM (OfFBH)

22 If anyone lives by this fuckers office please go down there with a couple rolls of toilet paper and some eggs for me.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at March 21, 2010 11:42 AM (RI9Pd)

23 JJ Jr. is acting like a Sub-Saharan dictator.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 11:43 AM (UQLAD)

24 I'm sorry, but if any of you expected something like abortion funding to be an insuperable hurdle to a Democrat, then you've been dreaming.

If you do not oppose this kind of statist expansion of federal authority on principle, without reference to the details like this, you will find a way to vote for it.

Simple as that.

Posted by: mrkwong at March 21, 2010 11:43 AM (G8Eo0)

it ineligible for expedited 'reconciliation'

DOESN'T MATTER. THE SENATE ISN'T GOING TO RECONCILE SHIT.

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 11:43 AM (OfFBH)

26 He just announced this so he could cancel it.

Posted by: Tami at March 21, 2010 11:43 AM (VuLos)

27 Every one of these Dozen is a god-damned liar. Every one. Political posturing to save a little face. Oh well, Rush and Levin will be entertaining tomorrow.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 21, 2010 11:43 AM (zgZzy)

28 Stupak, like most of the Democrats, is a socialist first and anything else after that. Morality and his belief in the doctrines of the Catholic Church mean less to him than the chance to take control of the economy. If he says he accepts Obama's executive order to prevent funding of abortion, he is a liar. The Catholic Church has already said it will not prevent public funding of abortion. Stupak simply can't resist the opportunity to take control of the economy.

He is a liar.

Posted by: Scott at March 21, 2010 11:44 AM (EBK++)

Stupak did make a national name for himself, just sayin'

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 11:44 AM (OfFBH)

30 What is this on and off again BS? I thought the votes were supposed to be over by 4 pm.

Posted by: Vic at March 21, 2010 11:44 AM (QrA9E)

31 hey! you're going to fast again for everybody to read my sterling observations, to wit #74 on the previous post. i won't rewrite it so i recommend you scroll back to read my thoughtful comment i'm not evil, i'm good! & do you want to talk about strength? i am the olympian ideal! why do they hate me? they're jealous!

Posted by: gomm at March 21, 2010 11:44 AM (Ibk1S)

32 Ace, could you just post updates in the current thread. The thread count here is getting absurd.

Posted by: Tami at March 21, 2010 11:44 AM (VuLos)

33
McCauley Culkin just held his hands to his face and said, "Oh no!"

Posted by: This is Me at March 21, 2010 11:45 AM (W6O4M)

34 Jesse Jr. sure plays the role of douchebag to a T.

Posted by: mesablue at March 21, 2010 11:46 AM (82HRt)

35 Stupak did make a national name for himself, just sayin' yeah, but its not a good name. all he really looks like is a self important attention whore with no principles

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 21, 2010 11:46 AM (6NDQy)

36 I'm not sure this is a yes. Some of them are playing hardball.

http://twitter.com/jonward11/status/10834162600

jonward11

whoa RT @JNSMALL: Sounds like KildeeÂ’s a No, says: IÂ’m not going 2 jeopardize my eternal salvation. I am a prolife Democrat.

Posted by: reginaldL at March 21, 2010 11:46 AM (k6Tcc)

37 @29 He ends up looking like a chump. It's painfully clear that the EO gives nothing.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (wJMVP)

38 Capitol surrounded by an angry mob. The lack of pitchforks and torches is disheartening.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (UQLAD)

39 34 Jesse Jr. sure plays the role of douchebag to a T. Posted by: mesablue at March 21, 2010 03:46 PM (82HRt) The only thing missing is a pink polo shirt with the collar popped.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (RI9Pd)

40
Benedict Arnold just called me from the grave and said, "Yeah, the Democrats are right to not want to be on the wrong side of history."

Posted by: This is Me at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (W6O4M)

41 WE NEED A MEGA THREAD. TOO MANY THREADS TO BOTHER READING / COMMENTING!! BLOGMEISTER: HELP!

Posted by: unbob at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (7moYT)

42 You don't call a presser to say you are voting "no". Just like Kucinich

Posted by: Gride at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (DTyjM)

43 Oh well, Rush and Levin will be entertaining tomorrow.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 21, 2010 03:43 PM (zgZzy)

--Levin will either lose his voice or suffer another heart attack, or both.

Posted by: logprof at March 21, 2010 11:47 AM (Mmw0q)

44 I can't believe people so horrible and stupid are going to be able to wrench this country out of our hands.

Posted by: The Prop at March 21, 2010 11:48 AM (kvIGd)

45 Stupak has his back to the wall, shirt tails on fire with the health care vote. He's gonna find that people will hang on him like a coat rack.

Smelling salts for the Republicans please.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2010 11:48 AM (W+E+o)

46 The cynic in me thinks the house GOP is just blowing smoke in the hopes the dems who hate the Senate version get cold feet.

Posted by: Smapty at March 21, 2010 11:48 AM (bAySe)

47 This thing keeps goin up and down like a whore on Saturday night.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (ympF8)

48 The lack of pitchforks and torches is disheartening.

And tar. There should be tar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (OkT2m)

49
You know why they're putting Jesse Jr up there, don't you?

Good ol' fashioned Race Baitin'...

Posted by: This is Me at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (W6O4M)

50 Kildee a no? Where the fuck is Baghdad Bob to help me keep this shit strait? No there was a source to trust.

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (wJMVP)

51 I can't believe people so horrible and stupid are going to be able to wrench this country out of our hands.

You're assuming. We all know what happens when you do that.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (UQLAD)

52 11 Minutes to Stupak's cave (do I have my time zones right?).

Posted by: jcjimi feeling Eyeore-ish at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (PQeZm)

53 WE NEED A MEGA THREAD. TOO MANY THREADS TO BOTHER READING / COMMENTING!! BLOGMEISTER: HELP!

Posted by: unbob at March 21, 2010 03:47 PM (7moYT)

--I agree. Just a single thread with updates.

Posted by: logprof at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (Mmw0q)

54 Stupak and his cowardly bunch were never ever voting "no". They were a yes the whole time....they just pretended to be "no" as long as they could.

Posted by: Gride at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (DTyjM)

55 Calm down people, it could be bad, or it could be good. We don't know for a fact. K-Lo at NRO says that Stupak's been seen with top pro-life lobbyists. It could be a last ditch effort to appeal to his conscience, but it's also possible that if he's flipped, he wouldn't be talking to to our side anymore. http://tinyurl.com/yzy6y4c

Posted by: Fabius at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (U/8qY)

yeah, but its not a good name. all he really looks like is a self important attention whore with no principles

Like the president?

Posted by: dagny at March 21, 2010 11:49 AM (OfFBH)

57 Paging Walsingham. The United States paging Walsingham. Report to the House basement, stat.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 21, 2010 11:50 AM (A46hP)

58 #47 And tar. There should be tar.

Fuck tar, how about some diluted magma?

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at March 21, 2010 11:50 AM (otlXg)

59 @36

I'm holding out hope on that. Yes, it requires I dispense with my justified cynicism, but that can do me no harm at this point...

Posted by: nickless at March 21, 2010 11:50 AM (MMC8r)

60 Does this blog provide barf bags? I want to throw up.

Posted by: madamex at March 21, 2010 11:50 AM (jqz8E)

61 @58...yes, Shep did just report that eruption in Iceland.

Posted by: JeepGirl at March 21, 2010 11:51 AM (mZFDY)

62 Game, set and match when Stupak announces his Yes vote. I'll say this...he can't be a true believer in the pro-life cause. If he had gotten the Stupak language in, then I could understand all this. He did always want to vote for the bill. But to play games like this was really sleazy.

Posted by: Bob at March 21, 2010 11:51 AM (siar6)

63 Fuck tar, how about some diluted magma?

Why diluted?

Meteors---meteors is what we need.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 11:51 AM (OkT2m)

64 The lack of pitchforks and torches is disheartening.

And tar. There should be tar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 03:49 PM (OkT2m)

I don't do nude scenes.

Posted by: The Chicken at March 21, 2010 11:51 AM (UQLAD)

65 CSpan is announcing it now. However, I still think this shit might fail.

Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (9Wv2j)

66 They're reporting on C-span that some sort of deal has been cut re abortion.

Posted by: 007 at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (x3ghH)

67 CSPAN just said that Stupak is signing an agreement on the EO with Obama. He will be allowed to speak on the floor today - I hate him.

Posted by: obamastillsucks at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (lnrd9)

68 Like the president? Yep

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (6NDQy)

CSPAN just said Stupak made a deal will vote yes.

Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (fwSHf)

70 No demoncrat is really against abortion. They have no ethics.

Posted by: Akbar Zeb at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (mE32g)

71 I'm surprised he's bringing the bloc with him. I'm holding out hope that maybe they'll announce a yes on the reconciliation bill and a no on the Senate bill, but that's idle hope.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (Vo2Ef)

72 More and more relevant are the words of de Tocqueville, via the modern miracle of copypasta: (Soft despotism) covers the surface of society with a net-work of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided: men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting: such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (AZGON)

73 60 Does this blog provide barf bags? I want to throw up.

Don't give them the pleasure. Take within you the fire of this whole Obamacare crap. Let it fuel your rage and hasten the Dem's political demise starting this November. This is just the beginning of a great political war that is to come...

Posted by: Kratos (missing from the side of Mt Olympus) at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (otlXg)

74 The Other McCain is doing a livechat here.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 21, 2010 11:52 AM (w8ddH)

75 BTW, this will be a pretty big block of Yes votes coming. I hear 9.

Posted by: Bob at March 21, 2010 11:53 AM (siar6)

76 I knew that @ss would cave! You can't trust Dems, lapdogs either.

Posted by: it'smedude at March 21, 2010 11:53 AM (t2gGa)

77 There will be suspects pictured in Amber Alerts that will receive more favorable reviews that Stupe Stupak. What an incredible strategist.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 21, 2010 11:53 AM (HBqDo)

78
I've got Stupak's statement, so don't waste your time watching it. Here it is:

...

"I am Bart Stupak and I am the douche bag you thought I was."

Posted by: This is Me at March 21, 2010 11:54 AM (W6O4M)

79 Looks like Bart Stupak may have crossed the river. He's a dead man walking to the podium.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2010 11:54 AM (W+E+o)

80 60 Does this blog provide barf bags? I want to throw up.
Posted by: madamex at March 21, 2010 03:50 PM

Nearest potted plant seems to work. Just ask the ONTers.

Posted by: jcjimi feeling Eyeore-ish at March 21, 2010 11:54 AM (PQeZm)

81 Cuellar was always a yes, who else in the block?

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2010 11:54 AM (wJMVP)

82 If worst comes to worst, the Tea Parties and the future national elections must include repealing Obama"care" as part of the mandate for the election.

Posted by: sunny black at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (lFhqf)

83 You know the Hill and NRO have been wrong about just about everything so far!

I hope they are right but I doubt it.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (593B8)

84 I'd think that any one of those remaining in the Stupak bloc could eclipse his notoriety by holding out on their own, or as part of a differently named bloc.

Posted by: Demosophist at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (4FJoo)

85 Kaptur was a yes as of yesterday

Posted by: Peaches at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (9Wv2j)

Michael Moore discovers that Stupack does not have a uterus and then defines 'pro-life' as baby killing,

If Stupak were truly pro-life then he'd vote for this bill.

http://tiny.cc/9j0ie

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (F09Uo)

87 Imagine this congress trying declare war after the United States was attacked by some country. Dear God help us in our need.

Posted by: Sparky at March 21, 2010 11:55 AM (r0u40)

88 Assuming the worst, any idea what the difference in the final tally is going to be? more than five votes?

Posted by: sunny black at March 21, 2010 11:56 AM (lFhqf)

89 Bart, you would have been better off with 30 pieces of silver rather than an empty promise of a toothless EO and the chance to make a speech.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 21, 2010 11:56 AM (Vo2Ef)

90 Stupak and crew were always socialists first...

Pack your cars people, and say hello to:

Rick Perry... President, Republic of Texas...

Posted by: phreshone at March 21, 2010 11:56 AM (1AnxB)

91 Assuming the worst, any idea what the difference in the final tally is going to be? more than five votes?

Posted by: sunny black at March 21, 2010 03:56 PM (lFhqf)

Probably will be 217/214.

Posted by: enoxo at March 21, 2010 11:56 AM (Aterp)

92 If worst comes to worst, the Tea Parties and the future national elections must include repealing Obama"care" as part of the mandate for the election.

Posted by: sunny black at March 21, 2010 03:55 PM (lFhqf)

"Impeach The Precedent and prosecute the traitorous junta" is more along the lines of where we are.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 21, 2010 11:56 AM (A46hP)

93 Bart Stupak has stuck his dick deeper into that chicken than the pockets Nancy Pelosi reached into to get her tits lifted.

Posted by: Cap'n Dan, The News Man at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (UQLAD)

94 Frankly, those people at the Hill and NRO don't know whether to wind their watch or bark at the moon.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (W+E+o)

95 Throat's a bit scratchy.....

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (92zkk)

96 we need a new gang of 12 or something, how come the Dems never have people that can think for themselves - cmon guys, stick your thumb in Obleaks eye

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (4QCvv)

97 I propose a revival of the Scarlet Letter for these 'yes' members of Congress, except instead of a red card with the letter "A" for adulterer, a red card with a gold hammer and sickle. They would be forced to wear these until January 2012.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (AZGON)

98 @89 He'd have been better off in a deal getting a hobo's dick cheese than a promise from Barry

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (wJMVP)

99 hey, look, bob the boob is back.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (6NDQy)

100 I'm sure in his press conference ol' Bart will be as busy as a cat covering shit on a hot tin roof.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 11:57 AM (ympF8)

101 Here's what I bet Stupak says...

"We'd like to thank Pelosi and Obama for working with us in a way that allows us to live up to our principles and support this very important measure"

Posted by: DrewM. at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (9B5OK)

102

What single man in Congress holds his own singular vote to be so much more important than the vote of any other member of congress that it warrants holding his own press conference.

Whatever his vote, one thing is for certain: He's clearly a narccissist prick and, now that I think about it, the entire dog and pony show may have been nothing more than a way to keep his own name in the press.

Posted by: 007 at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (x3ghH)

103 Imagine this congress trying declare war after the United States was attacked by some country. Posted by: Sparky

Um, don't look now but we have been ... by the Dem's vision of socialist grandeur.

Posted by: Garbonzo the Garrulous at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (w8ddH)

104 Bart, you would have been better off with 30 pieces of silver rather than an empty promise of a toothless EO and the chance to make a speech.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 21, 2010 03:56 PM (Vo2Ef)

Judas cut a better deal.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (UQLAD)

105 I'm intrigued by Stupak's anti-abortion views and would like to subscribe to his newsletter.

Posted by: Ben Nelson at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (pfStM)

106 The Congress is watering the Tree of Liberty. With urine.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (AZGON)

107 furthermore, the EO is meaningless. From the text I have read, the bill does not fund abortions... directly. What I get from it is that it subsidizes insurance plans, which can include abortion, if the person so chooses to include it in their subsidized insurance.

The fuckhead got his figleaf... but it does not hide the shame

Posted by: A.G. at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (BgD0W)

108

Incidentally, Obama's EO cannot overturn the law.

hahahahah - laws are for sheep!

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 21, 2010 11:58 AM (4QCvv)

109 Judas cut a better deal.

Stupak's hanging himself, as well.

Posted by: nickless at March 21, 2010 11:59 AM (MMC8r)

110 So he sells out the country in exchange for a few minutes to preen in front of a camera. Two year olds have more self-control.

Posted by: Kensington at March 21, 2010 11:59 AM (aDdAT)

111 Is Stupak a catholic?

Posted by: curious at March 21, 2010 11:59 AM (p302b)

112 Why Bart, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world . . . but for Wales?

Posted by: Sir Thomas More at March 21, 2010 11:59 AM (Mmw0q)

113 "Is anyone not going to see through this executive order ruse? He better be getting more than that or he's an idiot."

He is NOT an idiot!

He is a craven liar who claims to care for unborn children, but it's bullshit to both get him elected in his district and to fit in socially at his club church.

He wanted to vote for this bill, he did. He got what he knows is a useless fig leaf that will leave multitudes of bloody murdered babies in its wake.

And he's 100% okay with that.

100%.

Posted by: Christoph at March 21, 2010 11:59 AM (0fq7b)

114 It's beginning to get exciting as bob's fingernails are starting to sweat.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (W+E+o)

115 Is Stupak a catholic?

No,but he plays one on TV.

Posted by: nickless at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (MMC8r)

116 What I get from it is that it subsidizes insurance plans, which can include abortion, if the person so chooses to include it in their subsidized insurance.

If I'm paying the subsidy on any insurance policy that does so, it's a no go.

Nine inches of first amendment right down their throats.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (UQLAD)

117 oops. Missed the questions in that first sentence, then again, it was rather a rhetorical question.

Posted by: 007 at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (x3ghH)

118 Is Stupak a catholic?

Posted by: curious at March 21, 2010 03:59 PM (p302b)

Stupak is a fucking democrat

Posted by: robtr at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (fwSHf)

119 Funny how the only "bi-partisanship" in this crap sammich of a bill is in opposition to it.

Posted by: Intrepid at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (92zkk)

120 look at Drudge now, you fucking pansies
it's not over

Posted by: Johnny Fuckwad at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (kGngs)

121 Stupuck will say Barry promised him a pair of mated unicorns ... and that he will sign an executive order demanding aborted babies that survive will be killed more quickly.

Good enuff for Bart ... DOH !

Posted by: bill at March 21, 2010 12:00 PM (x49/7)

122 The voters are going to be on him like a pack of dogs on a three-legged cat.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 12:01 PM (ympF8)

123 I'm glad my Mommy killed me. I could never live in a world in which everyone has access to health care.

Posted by: Aborted Republican fetus at March 21, 2010 12:01 PM (vsoRI)

124 Stupak- "I now trust a man willing to let unwanted babies born alive to die by inches". Rot in Hell asshole.

Posted by: jjshaka at March 21, 2010 12:01 PM (NIV6g)

125 @ 123 I could never live in a world in which everyone has access to health care.

You mean like the world we have now? Idiot.

Posted by: Vile Roman at March 21, 2010 12:02 PM (iBzKc)

126 So, who does Fox have lined up to respond to the vote?

Posted by: 007 at March 21, 2010 12:02 PM (x3ghH)

127 RT @ARCCABlog: RT @brianbeutler: Stupak, I can't in good faith maintain my objections to the #hcr bill. (via @wonkroom)

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 21, 2010 12:02 PM (aMdQJ)

128 Stupak... Is that like a retail carton of a dozen packages of stupid?

Posted by: George Orwell at March 21, 2010 12:03 PM (AZGON)

129 Bob's got two hands worth of white knuckle still hanging ten.

Posted by: Dan Rather at March 21, 2010 12:03 PM (W+E+o)

130 Stupak caved

Posted by: jcjimi experiencing seething rage and very bad thoughts at March 21, 2010 12:03 PM (PQeZm)

131

Stupak's twisting and turning has left the American people as confused as Jesse Jackson with a gavel in the House.

Posted by: Document Dan at March 21, 2010 12:03 PM (pfStM)

132

122 The voters are going to be on him like a pack of dogs on a three-legged cat.

We are talking MI here. UP Michigan

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 21, 2010 12:03 PM (4QCvv)

133 This should be a powerful lesson to all who pine for the moderate utopia.

Rule #1: Democrats are LIBERALS above all else. LIBERALS.

Rule #2: Any supposed moderate stance they hold is always subject to Rule #1.

As I've be posting for a week or so, this is going to pass. If not today, next week. If not next week, next month.

What is the R leadership prepared to do to fight the next battle?

Organized protests and mass refusal to submit to the law followed by a blizzard or court challenges?
Running on a repeal platform in 2010, 2012, 2014?

Someone needs to step up and lead.

Posted by: The Hammer at March 21, 2010 12:04 PM (YBTwf)

134 Stupak, I can't in good faith maintain my objections to the #hcr bill. (via @wonkroom)

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 21, 2010 04:02 PM (aMdQJ)

What fucking conscience would that be?

Posted by: sharrukin at March 21, 2010 12:04 PM (593B8)

135 Stupak, I can't in good faith maintain my objections to the #hcr bill.

Odd that he mentions 'faith.'

Posted by: nickless at March 21, 2010 12:05 PM (MMC8r)

136 Stupak to blather now.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 21, 2010 12:05 PM (UQLAD)

137 Someone needs to step up and lead.

Paul Ryan has already picked up the red courtesy phone.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 21, 2010 12:05 PM (OkT2m)

138 here comes 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 12:06 PM (ympF8)

139 Drudge?... SORRY... this ain't getting reconciled... the Senate Bill becomes law, and the Dems try to hide out until November (or screw up the country even more, and take the full set of lumps in November)

Posted by: phreshone at March 21, 2010 12:06 PM (1AnxB)

140 Fuck

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (aMdQJ)

141 Oh eff you Stupak.

Posted by: JeepGirl at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (mZFDY)

142 Yea, he just caved.

Votes yes, claims Obambi will EO his ass out of it.

Posted by: Kristopher at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (kCEOg)

143 Bastard

Posted by: stace at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (g/wgk)

144 Shit.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (I/y6P)

145

Sorry Black Bart,

Your moment in the sun is now over, the sun continues to set, and your just another backstabber lost in the noise and disaster that is BHO...mmm mmm mmm

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 21, 2010 12:07 PM (4QCvv)

146 It ain't over yet: when Stupak caves, someone who didn't get an Okay-to-Vote-No Card from Nancy is going to realize this POS is gonna pass, and vote themselves one on the spot... and the first unexpected Dem "nay" could trigger a landslide.

Posted by: sherlock at March 21, 2010 12:08 PM (xqzGc)

147 He knows damned well an EO does not trump a law.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 21, 2010 12:08 PM (I/y6P)

148 Stupak lies and claims that "there will be no public funding of abortion in this legislation" but he's relying on an executive order that is NOT part of the legislation.

Stupak deserves a brazen bull, at low temperature.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 21, 2010 12:08 PM (A46hP)

149 That EO is as useless as tits on a boar.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 12:08 PM (ympF8)

150 ... a law passed by both houses

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 21, 2010 12:09 PM (I/y6P)

151 137...Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ryan vote for TARP part 1 and Deux? And Porkulus?

When you vote on politically expedient grounds, you inevitable set aside principles to do so. Mr Ryan may be saying and doing the right things now, but how did he make those other mistakes? Again, I could be mistaken.

Posted by: The Hammer at March 21, 2010 12:09 PM (YBTwf)

152

147 He knows damned well an EO does not trump a law.

How many average americans know that? Im sure the media will let them know

Posted by: Lt Kilgore at March 21, 2010 12:09 PM (4QCvv)

153 stupak has quite a dry mouth--nerves 'cause he knows the truth in his heart.

Posted by: karenm at March 21, 2010 12:10 PM (2y90e)

154 Posted by: sherlock at March 21, 2010 04:08 PM (xqzGc)

Sure! Right. Take another drink kid.

Posted by: sharrukin at March 21, 2010 12:10 PM (593B8)

155 Hammer you are mistaken.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 21, 2010 12:10 PM (ympF8)

156 He's talking about principles, but he gave his principles away for a worthless piece of paper. Ignorant and disgusting.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 21, 2010 12:10 PM (HeXWG)

157 And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.

Posted by: Winston Fucking Churchill at March 21, 2010 12:10 PM (sMt7r)

158 Neville Chamberlain anyone? Too bad he couldn't pose with the EO in his mitt.
Priceless posturing.
I'm sick of dem morons explaining things to me.

Posted by: ontherocks at March 21, 2010 12:11 PM (HBqDo)

159 That woman in the box on the right just said they're one vote away. Right? Did anyone hear that?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 21, 2010 12:11 PM (I/y6P)

160 well he,s a yes at 4

o press conf..due to his EO ;(

Posted by: ATEXAN at March 21, 2010 12:11 PM (cde+b)

161 Obama, the fucker, voted in Illinois, three times to not offer treatment to tiny babies that survive abortion, can be left to die in closets. He does not give a shit about tiny babies, and Stupak should know this.

Posted by: madamex at March 21, 2010 12:12 PM (jqz8E)

162

opps 4,o clock

Posted by: ATEXAN at March 21, 2010 12:12 PM (cde+b)

163 It's over, Stupak is caving.

Hey, Bart, universal health care wouldn't have saved your douchebag son when he shot himself. Get over it.

Posted by: SGT Dan at March 21, 2010 12:12 PM (Aygyu)

164 113...exactly right. And in 5 years when it comes out that our tax dollars are going to directly fund abortions, any odds on Mr Stupak making a public apology, resigning for mountainous stupidity, and giving himself the Cpt. Louis Renault Award?

Odds, anyone?

Posted by: The Hammer at March 21, 2010 12:13 PM (YBTwf)

165 There's a reckoning coming Dems. Count on it.

Posted by: jewells at March 21, 2010 12:16 PM (lv7H+)

166 155...well, sort of, but not really:

http://tinyurl.com/yfwmdv7

Sorry, but Mr Ryan is part of the reason we're in this overall mess. I'm not real excited him being the spokesman for economic free-market based conservatism.

Posted by: The Hammer at March 21, 2010 12:16 PM (YBTwf)

167 After this Stupak abomination passes we should start to hear that we should all get along now and complete the work of the people.

Posted by: Barbarian at March 21, 2010 12:20 PM (EL+OC)

168

Dear Congressman Stupak,

I'm not a member of your congressional district, but a pro-life Catholic. I've had faith in you, over these many weeks, that you would vote NO against this Health Care bill, which in spite of all the promises and gimmicks, will in the end, provide Federal funds for abortion.

You may protest that this Bill will not do so, but God will know. Which you chose. A HC bill, over the weakest of his children. I'll pray for your immortal soul. It didn't help Senator Kennedy, who on his death bed, asked the Pope for forgiveness. An underling instead responded. Wishing you the strength, to accept God's judgement.

I'll pray for you, nonetheless.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 21, 2010 12:23 PM (ucq49)

169 40 million + fetuses just rolled over in their tiny graves.

Posted by: jcjimi at March 21, 2010 12:26 PM (PQeZm)

170 I take consolation in knowing I'll see all these pro-choice "Catholics" in Hell. It'll give me something to laugh at.

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