1 Saaa WHEAT!

2 So is Breitbart going to have these up soon? And were there El Salvadoran teenagers involved?

3 Oh Lordy, I'm going to have to order another tanker truck of pudding before today is over.

4 You are all racists!

5 Late last year? As in, after the ACORN stuff came out? I figured that O'Keefe's career as an undercover journalist was over, given the publicity from the ACORN scandal.

Clearly I underestimated the stupidity of liberal criminals.

6 HUD?  Never heard of it.

7 O'Keefe just randomly sampled Detroit and Chicago, I wonder why.

8

Seepage is the new tingle:

OÂ’Keefe and fellow activist Joe Basel ran the same sting at HUDÂ’s Chicago office and at several federally supported independent housing groups. Breitbart paces the parquet floor. The video is damning but not exactly Acorn-explosive.

Then OÂ’Keefe stops the playback. “Oh yeah, I forgot,” he says. “We went to the Detroit Free Press, to the managing editor. We told her the whole thing. She said she wasnÂ’t interested. Wanna see the tape?” 

Breitbart starts to cackle. Of course he wants to see the tape. Sleazy HUD administrators are important, sure. But media covering up sleaze? That’s entertainment. “Dude, that’s the most important part!” he says. “I have seepage coming out of five parts of my body right now.”

O’Keefe hits Play. A world-weary Freep editor listens to O’Keefe’s kickback story and politely declines. There could be a thousand reasons why, but to O’Keefe and Breitbart, there’s only one explanation: liberal bias. Breitbart slaps the walls like they were congo drums, grinning. “OK,” he tells O’Keefe, “now I officially adore you.”

 

Please, no tickle parties.

9 Good thing HUD doesn't get federal money.

10
Holy crap, who is the first commenter I read over there?  Honest cloud.  What a miserable piece of shit.

11 Why is Wired getting into that stuff?

12 Those poor government employees are just trying to do God's work redistributing the wealth of this great country.  LEAVE ROBIN HOOD ALONE! (sarcasm switch engaged)

13 Get more attention with Hannah...

14

Yeah baby!

6 I have no idea why he would randomly sample Detroit and the Chi...you don't think?  Nah, nah, not possible.

15 "If you live in a $6000 craphole, but you've got a family full of love, your home is priceless. 

Eighty-grand doesn't sound like so much now, does it.  Here's your tax credit."

--Barack Obama, Head HUD Organizer

16
Yeah, we thought of this in season 4.

17 Can we finally admit the flap about O'Keefe and Landrieu was hysteria?

18 10 Oh, you're shatting me, right?  Now that's funny!

19
The comments also remind me why I won't bother reading that shit online-rag anymore.

20 LOL "honest cloud."  There's something remarkable about someone taking a nice pleasant word and idea, and using it to brand stupidity.  It's kind of evil, but does show some talent.

21 17 Hysteria, or Landrieu didn't need the extra attention that going after O'Keefe might cause.

22 Corruption is okay as long as it's DEMOCRATIC CORRUPTION.  Everything else, not so much.  Gotta love that 'nuance'.

23 ROFLMAO.  Can I just skip the pudding and dip directly in liberal tears instead?

24 Breitbart and O'Keefe are gonna make alot of MSM types look like asshats this year.

25 LOL "honest cloud." There's something remarkable about someone taking a nice pleasant word and idea, and using it to brand stupidity. It's kind of evil, but does show some talent. I think "Honest Cloud" considers that his indian name, like Sitting Bull or Wandering Bear. Actual indians probably call him "Bullshitting Weasel," but they keep that to themselves.

26 Where can you buy a house for 80K?

27 Guys -

let's keep our eye on the ball here:

28
considers that his indian name

Yeah he's about as 'indian' as that ward churchill douchebag.

29 O'Keefe was in Chicago in December.

30 #24  yep.

31

Jean- You can buy a house in Detroit, Toledo, and Columbus for $5,000 or less.  Democrat Utopia!!!

32 Looky what JWF has posted. Shocka!

33 If this guy were in it for the pure expose of the Democratic criminal rackets, he'd pass the torch to someone else until his name (presumably) will be cleared in federal court.

34

No Hannah, no interest!

35 Where can you buy a house for 80K? That'll buy a mansion in Detroit. A dilapidated, trash-strewn, Superfund-designated mansion, but a mansion nevertheless.

36 #26 = Thread winner.

37 This is all very entertaining and makes up for the atrocious playing during spring training - but people, with Eric Holder in the AG's office, its going nowhere.

No  Where.

38 It's all in the editing, man. Shit man, you can edit a ham sandwich to look like a wolf in sheep's clothing, or something. At least that's what I learned from the comments over there.

39 IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN, GODDAMMIT!

40 OT, but good (link via hot air)

Maybe a flaming skull drenched in pudding in our future.

41 Anyone who's ever worked with HUD within six degrees of separation knows that they fleece more cash than Mugabe.  They make the mafia look like a bake sale price gouging operation by comparison.

"Housing and Urban Development".  Yeah, how's that working out, you sleazy shitstains?  $10 or $20 billion more a year and you'll have those inner-city Detroit dirt farms working at full capacity.

There are a lot of tools in the leftist's wealth redistribution toolbox, but few are more brazen and direct in their theft.

42 Honest Cloud means "he who has no nutsacke"

43 Bad news for Pelosi.  House must pass Senate bill first according to Senate Parliamentarian.

Roll Call 2:30PM EST
http://is.gd/af3AE

Pelosi can only buy votes with "trust me" and right's "illegal" stuff.

44

Hope this dude's wearing kevlar.

45 HUD is derlicte in its duties.

46 Where can you buy a house for 80K?

You can buy Flint, Michigan for 80K, no money down and no payments for six months.

47 OT and breaking, but apparently the senate parliamentarian has said the house MUST pass the senate's bill and it be law before reconciliation can be considered.

48 Drudge has the flashing headlight!

49 #47

The entire city?  Awesome!.

50 The senate parliamentarian acted stupidly.

51 The entire city?  Awesome!.

You're forgetting the part where he said Flint, Michigan.

52
When the ACORN undercover story broke, we learned that ACORN provides tax advice.

I'm sure these ACORN assholes are working a systemic EITC scam.  There's big redistribution money available in that.

53 but apparently the senate parliamentarian has said the house MUST pass the senate's bill and it be law before reconciliation can be considered.

I just passed a rule replacing the Senate Parliamentarian with a magic 8-ball, and a separate rule asserting that all vague answers it issues are to be interpreted in the affirmative.

Your move, wingnuts.

54 Honest Cloud accurately describes the only thing between his ears.

55 There are whole counties in America where federal money, corruption, and theft of various forms of welfare benefits comprises 80+ percent of the local economy. 

56 Why is Wired getting into that stuff?

Posted by: ParisParamus at March 11, 2010 02:50 PM (flcpl)

it was just a piece on Breitbart as a whole and they got a scoop.

The comments also remind me why I won't bother reading that shit online-rag anymore.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 11, 2010 02:53 PM (fx8sm)

I've got no problem with Wired, they are usually on the up and up.

57 "I got an email saying what I saw on video wasn't really what happened!  O'Keefe belongs in jail!  The NYT said ACORN was clean!  Don't believe your lying eyes and ears!"

Holy shit this is hilarious.  It's just a short term solution, though.  ACORN has too many scandals for this to work for long.  In the end, it looks like O'Keefe told the truth and ACORN used liberal MSM to smear and lie.  that makes O'Keefe look more impressive and more credible the next time someone claims he lied.

The GOP House will have a fucking field day with this.  It's obvious that the White House stopped the investigation and we all know Obama worked with these thugs.  And we know ACORN thugs lie and contradict themselves quite a bit.  That's all it takes to start sending them to prison.  Laugh all day, democrats, about how easy it is to spin when you have one party rule.  When you don't, and you won't, that kind of thing backfires badly.  The pieces are in place for a very very scandal filled 2011 and 2012 for the white house.  All it takes in one independent council, and the 'they found no criminal wrongdoing!' crap goes away pretty damn quickly.

Obama's only edge in 2012 is that he's the experienced president in our turbulent times and we shouldn't take a chance on Paul Ryan/Sarah Palin/Whoever.   If he looks like an incompetent scandal clad loser, he can't be reelected and the democrats lose the Senate too.

58

Where can you buy a house for 80K?

Cook County, Illinois.

In some areas of Chicago (Pullman, Ford City) and some surrounding townships like Robbins, you can purchase a home for as low as $5,000.00.

I'm guessing some places in East Chicago, IN, Gary, IN, East St. Louis, IL, or Detroit, MI don't exactly have soaring real estate values either.

Hell, they want to turn Detroit in farmland.

But even in nice peaceful middle-class suburbs with high property values you can sometimes get small lots for $80,000.00 or less, provided the house is basically a tear-down.

59 There are whole counties in America where federal money, corruption, and theft of various forms of welfare benefits comprises 80+ percent of the local economy.

And they're all the richer for it!

60 This is all very entertaining and makes up for the atrocious playing during spring training - but people, with Eric Holder in the AG's office, its going nowhere.


This isn't about throwing a few low level bureaucrats in jail.  Its about putting more nails in the credibility of the lib bureaucracy and even more importantly, the lib media.  Without the trusted (by the Sheeple) lib media running interference for them, the socialists would have been run out of town decades ago.

61 You can buy decent, but small, houses for $40k in Dallas/Ft. Worth. What's funny is the people who buy land in those areas because it's cheap and then build huge McMansions on it that stick out like a sore thumb.

62 I wonder if O'Keefe was the dude Teh One had in mind when he ordered the engagement of "Bounty Hunters" to root out Medicare fraud?

63 Is ACORN killing off ACORN Housing?  Bertha "we've seen this lynching before" Lewis says they're separate organizations.

ACORN Housing headquarters is in Chicago.

64

I like the way the Wired story on Breitbart ends:

He takes a breath. “They call us tea-baggers. They call us racist, sexist, homophobic, and we are finally punching back. It’s over, dude. It’s over. You think you’re gonna be able to put the genie back in the bottle? It’s over. And if you don’t like my aggression, there are going to be millions more of me,” Breitbart says, the cell phone connection skipping in and out. “Because the new media provides the tools and there are millions out there who are outraged. Now they realize, ‘Wow, anybody can do that. We can hold these people accountable. We have the means. We have the technology.’”

65

Not to worry, they will find a federal judge who will rule that they can cut off funding for HUD either.

66 Newsflash: Barney Frank still sucks!

67 Making Work Pay credit....work already pays, it called a paycheck.

You also get that credit for retirement benefits.  The work you did thirty years ago pays you twice.  Meanwhile, I don't get to retire.

68 O'Keefe is a very gutsy guy.  That's for sure.  O'Keefe's picture is hanging in 60% of prosecutors' offices, higher in federal offices and he's going after a federal fraud of trillions, in the larger context.  Respect.

69

I actually seriously thought about purchasing a $4-5k lot in Robbins just for the $8k tax credit and then trying to gift the place  to the town or set it on fire or something. Or sell it to the neighbor for $1. Which I'd loan him.

I did not know there was an $80k clause.

70 I almost bought an investment house in Texas for $80,000 or so.  It wasn't a tear down, but it needed work.  Most houses in that price range have some major problem with their location or are damaged.

http://www.regentpg.com/idx/residenti al/3274184/13824-briarcreek-manor-tx-78653/details.html

This home is a good example.  It's heated by propane, which would be great except that you have to buy it, via deed restriction, from assholes who charge 20 times the going rate.

71

Hell, they want to turn Detroit in farmland.

Aw hell noes! Have you ever tried to do a drive by in a fuggin' tractor and shit?

72 Oh, lets be honest, the entire tax code changes the last few years have been a large redistribution game.

Mallamutt,

I agree with this, but I'm talking about outright false claims to EITC beyond the thievery encouraged by and accepted under the tax code.

73

Honest Clod is also over at WIRED Magazine's Threat Level blog, kissing Obama's ass on the DNA thread.

74 The 8 thousand first time home buyer credit is hard to get, friends have said two people working in a major city, can't get it.   In fact, two people working in a major city are having trouble getting mortgages.   If you try to buy in a new condo project you can't get a loan until the project is approved by one of the federal agencies so the buyers have to have the cash or move along.   It's a mess.

75 Entropy, below $80k, you get ten percent.

It's a really good deal, and it's a shame HUD doesn't give a shit about integrity.  It's just more government cheese.

And one really interesting aspect is that it locks down professionals and others into a geographic area during an economic downturn.  One of the most important aspects of being OK when laid off is being able to relocate to a new job.  If you get one of these $8000 checks, you can't move for 3 years without a huge penalty.

That's bad for the economy.

76 "76 apparently the senate parliamentarian has said the house MUST pass the senate's bill and it be law before reconciliation can be considered.

Enter Joe Biden, stage left.

Posted by: toby928 at March 11, 2010 03:17 PM (PD1tk)"

Maybe this is why Orin Hatch (think it was him) said if this happens the senate will blow up yesterday, cause they saw it coming?

77 Why is O'Keefe lying that they went in wearing first time home buyer costumes?

78 #82

So, for $8k, you agree to become a serf, for practical practices?

79 The progressive temple is under attack.  ACORN is just the weakest pillar.  Great Job Obama giving them this role.

80 The 80K question at 26 was rhetorical -- it just illustrates how the progressives "red-line" things for their constituents.

81

So, for $8k, you agree to become a serf, for practical practices?

Serf is politically incorrect. We prefer to use the term peon.

82 Oh, and wanna guess what party runs all 4 above-mentioned municipalities?

Being a negligent slum lord is a lucrative business to office-holding members of that party.

83

Robin Hood keeps getting a bad rap.  People are comparing him to a Democrats, rob from the rich, give to the poor.  The fact is that Robin stole the money back from theiving Democrats who were taxing all the citizens into poverty.  Okeefe is in fact more like Robin by waging war against the machine meant to rob us blind via taxes!

 

 

84 Deed restrictions on who you buy propane from? WTF

85 First-time home buyers' costumes! Excellent!

86 Now that Paul Newman is gone, will James O'Keefe star in the remake of "HUD"?

87 Congrats, Morons, you broke Roll Call.  I hope you're happy with yourselves.

88

Well this is another redistribution scam. This is a tax CREDIT of up to 8K which means if you had zero tax liability you would get an income tax refund of of 8K even if you paid no income tax. It is another version of EIC.

All a con artist would have to do is go down to a real estate agent/bank. Buy an 80K house, get the refund, and then walk away.

Is Holder going to prosecute one of these Detroit denizens for fraud? Hahahahahaha.

 

89

I'd be more impressed if he was going after CHUD. 

Posted by: polynikes at March 11, 2010 03:25 PM (m2CN7)

You don't go after C.H.U.D.  C.H.U.D. goes after you!

90 Having lived near Flint for a long while I can tell you a story about it.

There are certain sections that you just do not go into.
Not because of the things you might think, like gangs, or drugs, or any of the other inner city problems one encounters in low income areas, you don't go into those parts because of the city wolves. (aka feral dogs)

There are roving packs numbering as high as 30 that will kill you.  It has been a problem there for a number of years, and Detroit's problem with them is about 100X worse.

91 I see nothing.  I see nooothing!

92

Maybe this is why Orin Hatch (think it was him) said if this happens the senate will blow up yesterday, cause they saw it coming?

Posted by: curious at March 11, 2010 03:21 PM (p302b)

Who said what yesterday about the Senate?  Do you have a link or some definite keywords I can Bing?

93 yeah, Jean, it's pretty freaking sad for the neighborhood.

this company has a huge penalty if you do not stay current.  And even if you don't use any propane, there is a significant fee each month for 'maintenance'.   If you do not use a propane stove or water heater, there is a huge penalty.  etc etc etc.

I didn't buy in the neighborhood, but I was really taken by the brazen bullshit destroying that neighborhood.  There are efforts to change this in court, but I don't know if it will get anywhere.  Freedom to contract, they say.

94 Mutant, Hatch said that if Biden overrules the Senate Parliamentarian, the Senate would blow up.

95

Vic-(#99)

You get the prize. I just did two returns today and voila! People who paid no taxes got that 8 grand in their pockets. Welfare indeed. I always say that if the law makes it legal, bleed it dry...and the people would soon see how they were shammed. Sadly, most people don't get it and still believe they are entitled to something for nothing- nothing but yours and my tax dollars.

96 Biden/Hatch story.

97 throwaway - did they own the original land or front the cost of installation?

98

one encounters in low income areas, you don't go into those parts because of the city wolves. (aka feral dogs)

Step 1 : Shoot

Step 2 : ????

Step 3 : No More Feral Dogs (Shut Up!)

99 Mutant, Hatch said that if Biden overrules the Senate Parliamentarian, the Senate would blow up.

Posted by: koopy at March 11, 2010 03:36 PM (ctR4U)

Hmm... not exactly.  He just said that everyone would know that Joe Biden is what everyone already knows Joe Biden to be.

With that in mind, CNSNews.com asked Senator Hatch: “What about the notion that if (Democrats) try to pursue reconciliation on health care that Vice President Biden might be able to break whatever parliamentary procedure you—”
 
Hatch said, “He’d have to be very careful there. He’d go down in history as a real dolt if he started to play that game. That’s why you have parliamentarians. And, you know, the worry is: Will the parliamentarian be fair? I don’t have any worry about that. I believe that Alan Frumin or the other parliamentarians will be fair. But there’ll be a lot of pressure on them.”

Was there ever any chance that Joe Biden would go down in history as anything other than a dolt?  Except cretin or imbecile, perhaps.

100

Uhh...James, the next time you decide to visit Chicago bring Hannah Giles.

101

Step 1 : Shoot

Step 2 : ????

Step 3 : No More Feral Dogs (Shut Up!)

Posted by: any western rancher gnome at March 11, 2010 03:43 PM (UlZhD)

Step 1: Shoot dogs.

Step 2: Make gloves, purses and hats from the skins and throw the carcasses to the remaining feral dogs to feed them and let them reproduce.

Step 3: Profit!

102 throwaway - or is there some sort of Government program that pays for your heating costs if you low income?

103 107 Biden/Hatch story.

Posted by: koopy at March 11, 2010 03:40 PM (ctR4U)

Ah - thanks!  So Hatch does predict chaos and the onset of the Apocalypse - however, that's probably not enough to deter Ol' Sheriff Joe.

104

113

Capitalist!

105 For 80k, you can buy a 4 bedroom easily in East. St. Louis

Yeah, but where they stick you is the cost of the cloaking device.  Because you'd have to have a death wish to live in an uncloaked home in East St. Louis.

It just isn't done.

106 "throwaway - did they own the original land or front the cost of installation? Posted by: Jean at March"

The propane company indeed installed the tanks and pipes, as is pretty standard for gas companies, at least in this part of the state.

They didn't own the original land.  What appears to have occurred is that the company that developed the land gets a kickback.

But this is a pretty extreme example.  People in Texas having $200 gas bills in July is just unfair.  While the deed restrictions are there to read, and no one is willing to buy these houses anymore because most of them use professionals at some point who won't let them (including mortgage officers), it's still destroyed a part of town.  The deed restrictions do not make clear what the price for propane is going to be, and if you call the propane company ( I did), they refuse to tell you or show you their contract until you own a house they service.

Just an extreme example.  It didn't burn me, and I don't see anyone buying these houses, but it still was devious and ugly.  People buying a new home, especially a smaller one, should be able to rely on their developer to not completely screw them (and when the house is unsellable, I think that's screwing).  I don't want to name names, but one investor of the development company is a significant Texas state level politician.

One the one hand, you have to take personal responsibility and avoid this kind of crap on your own.  On the other, these people were snakes who hurt a lot of Texan families.  Always be extra careful when looking over your deed restrictions to make sure you aren't getting something you aren't cool with.  I managed to get a much better investment property that didn't even have an HOA (which are pretty worthless in this part of Texas, and usually associated with the lesser, dirtier neighborhoods rather than the nicer ones).  But there's always some element of risk in any purchase.  You can't to a truly thorough inspection most of the time, you can't know everything about the neighbors.  While dealing with jerks is part of life, I still think the jerks should be tarred and feathered.

what happened to this neighborhood is not OK with any decent person.  Should the government intervene?  I don't like that solution, but the argument can easily be made in this extreme case.

107

On the other, these people were snakes who hurt a lot of Texan families.  Always be extra careful when looking over your deed restrictions to make sure you aren't getting something you aren't cool with. 

That is one of the things your lawyer is supposed to do when you get a title search. He is supposed to protect you from such shit is this. Also, if they are hiding this crap in a manner that makes it hard for new buyers to know what they are "buying" it should be fairly easy to break the deed covenants.

Once any single deed covenant is broken in the development, then they ALL become unenforcable.

108

The propane company indeed installed the tanks and pipes, as is pretty standard for gas companies, at least in this part of the state.

What would happen if you bought the place and converted it to natural gas or electric or used kerosene heaters, and said, OK, I'm buying my propane from them... but I didn't use any propane this year. Or last. Or the one before.

I mean seriously you're in Texas. You think you know what 'cold' means but you don't. It don't get cold there. You don't really even need heat.

I'm up here cheering and pulling my bike out of the garage in a t-shirt because winter is finally gone now that it's hit daytime highs in the low 40's.

109

Besides, aren't those kind of 'deed restrictions' unconstitutional or illegal?

I think they're illegal here.

There was that thing where they were using them to make sure you wouldn't sell the house to 'undesirables'.

110 So this is what investigative journalism looks like. Hadn't seen it in a few years since the alphabets and CNN gave it up.

111 How many reporters do we have assigned to finding a teabagger connection ro HUD?

112 "

I mean seriously you're in Texas. You think you know what 'cold' means but you don't. It don't get cold there. You don't really even need heat.

I'm up here cheering and pulling my bike out of the garage in a t-shirt because winter is finally gone now that it's hit daytime highs in the low 40's.

Posted by: Entropy"

Believe it or not, the deed restricts this.  You have to have a specified number of propane appliances, and you have to use them. 

you're right that you don't actually need heat 350 days a year in this location, but you do need a water heater and perhaps an oven.  Anyway, even if you use zero propane, your contract has a fee every month.  If you remove too many propane appliances, they apparently have the power to find out (how, I do not know), and you owe them a penalty AND must reinstall propane appliances.

I talked to a few people in the neighborhood, just walking through, and asked this exact question to several of them.  At the end of the day, it is just easier to stop paying for the house and walk away, which I think is highly dishonorable, but that's how people operate.  As you can imagine, this neighborhood was not filled with software engineers and professors, though the houses were very nice.

Buyer beware.  Always talk to people in a neighborhood before you buy a house there, and you can't underline enough that there is no such thing as a free lunch.  The houses are ridiculously cheap in this neighborhood for a reason.

I don't begrudge utilities for expecting some kind of penalty if you disconnect service, actually.  My current gas company has a similar restriction in the house I live in  (though they don't charge a ridiculous rate, they just want to get their initial investment back).

I'm going way way way too long on this issue.  There are a lot of scams out there.  I just noted an example of what it takes to get a nice house down to $80,000, since that's what I was going to offer on a house in this neighborhood before I realized I'd never be able to sell the house.

113 Vic, my understanding was that the initial people buying these houses did not use the typical mortgage process.  The financed via the developer somehow (who probably sold the loans, though that's just speculation, and this short circuited a lot of the standard protections home buyers deal with to get funding.

Indeed, anyone who buys a house without a lawyer is really asking for trouble.  It's worth the few hundred.  There's a chance this case will indeed get the deed restrictions dropped (that was part of my thinking when I was tossing the idea of buying the house around, but it just was too unsure a bet, to say the least).  But it's still a strange neighborhood.  Most of the houses have sale signs, few of them have mowed yards, a lot of the people living there are, frankly, not good neighbors.  It's not on my top hundred lists of things to get worked up about... just another scammer fucking up a lot of stuff.  But it still pisses me off.  I've heard of a lot of HOA complaints, but usually it's just petty silly shit most people can live with.

And here's another problem with pushing people to buy a house with a huge check from Uncle Sugar.  People getting into something this huge should take their time and think it through.  Renting is a loser for most families in the long term, but if you can't put a down payment together, rent.

114 "As Mark Twain said, “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.”

Not Mark Twain, as you probably know.  But it *Was* Will Rogers.

just givin' the homeboy his due.

115 I hadn't heard about the propane scam and I work here in Texas, so I read up about it.  First, I think it will fall apart in court at some point, but somebody's gotta spend a lot of money and a lot of years going through the appeals courts to make that happen.  Nobody with that kind of deep pockets has is being hurt by this so far - in fact the deep pockets are all on the other side.

But there's another warning that people buying property in Texas should heed, although this will piss people off - Be *Very* *Very* careful if you ever buy any land or housing outside of an incorporated city or town.  Make sure and hire good professional help if you do.  This doesn't mean it's a bad idea, but you have to protect yourself because no one else will.

People from other states don't realize that there are almost *no* standards or controls for residential housing in unincorporated areas.  The TCEQ does make sure that your septic systems are installed correctly, because dumping raw sewage is just nasty, but other than that there aren't many rules.   Texas decided to allow incorporated cities to do all of the zoning and housing regulations, which means outside of those city limits pretty much anything goes.  The State doesn't get involved, and the county level of government is so pathetically weak that it's hard to come up with a reason they even exist.   (Texas Counties do county roads, the sheriffs dept, the county jail, and whatever county courts are necessary.  That's it.)

A lot of developers who set up outside of any incorporated areas are doing so for just this reason.  They'll say it's because it's cheaper - and it is, because not having to deal with any inspectors or codes is always way cheaper.  It also makes it trivially easy to cut corners and rip your buyers off, and that happens a hell of a lot.

116 >>>Why is Wired getting into that stuff? I assume because he (and probably breitbart) figure that the right will get it almost immediately, so it has more impact to deliver the leak to a nonpartisan (left-leaning) outlet. They have to publish it because it's a scoop, thereby publicizing it wider.

117 I THOUGHT IT WAS WILL ROGERS! but the cite came up Mark Twait. DAMNIT!!

118

A lot of developers who set up outside of any incorporated areas are doing so for just this reason.  They'll say it's because it's cheaper - and it is, because not having to deal with any inspectors or codes is always way cheaper.  It also makes it trivially easy to cut corners and rip your buyers off, and that happens a hell of a lot.

Up until a few years ago we didn't even have codes in the "incorporated areas".  Yes, some builders cut corners in a few places but there are still laws in place regarding builder responsibility for work. All in all, everyone knew who tended to cut corners and who the reputable builders were.

We now have codes and a code enforcer. Nothing gets built any better and the county gets a new code fee. It turns out to be nothing more than another tax.

119 Holy crap, who is the first commenter I read over there?  Honest cloud.  What a miserable piece of shit.
A few weeks ago at a Canadian national newspaper site, asshole Kilgore Trout was the first commenter. And no, he didn't use the n-word and try to have the site declared a racist Klan site and voluntarily close itself down by way of apology.

And I think that you're right about it having been a Will Rogers' quote, Ace. The inflection of the quote seems out of period to me for the (mainly) late 19th Century.

120

132 I THOUGHT IT WAS WILL ROGERS!

"Will Rogers is a chicken fucker."

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You mean the farms?  Check out the Omnibus Farm Bill.  It is the single largest piece of graft and corruption in effect in America, and it is politically untouchable.

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I need an email or contact for James O'Keefe.

 

I have a young conservative college blogger here in the Mahoning Valley of Ohio trying to blow the lid off HUD here, and an ACORN group under another name associated with it.

 

Anyone?

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