February 19, 2010

Olympic Hockey Tournament Update
— DrewM

First two general notes on the OlympicsÂ….

The US is kicking ass. Right now the US leads in the medal count with 15 total and lead in number of events won (5 Gold, 4 Silver, 6 Bronze) compare that to the total of 25 in Turin (9/6/7) and weÂ’re not even a full week into completion.

USA! USA! USA!

Unfortunately, we suck at Curling. Both the men and women are winless having played 4 games each. The men’s team is particularly troubling since they had the chance to win each game on the last shot and the “Skip” John Shuster has blown each one. I enjoy the game and think it’s great it’s the “it” sport but this is America, you have to win or people won’t find it interesting for very long.

Now, the most important sport at the gamesÂ…hockey.

The US played their second game of the tourney and beat Norway 6-1. DonÂ’t be fooled by the score, the game was closer than that. The US scored 3 goals in the last 5:30 of the game when Norway just ran out of gas.

As in the first game there were far too many defensive lapses. Only timely saves by goalie Ryan Miller and a general lack of scoring skill on the Norwegian side kept if from being much of a game.

All is not bleak though, there were some good signs. The top line of Patrick Kane, Paul Statsny and Zach Parise scored a goal. Later in the game it looked like coach Ron Wilson took Kane off that line and moved Jamie Langenbrunner up. Other bright spots were the US second line of Joe Pavelski, Ryan Malone and Phil Kessel. The line clicked right away and played very well for the second straight game. Also, veteran forward Chris Drury had a goal and an overall strong game, in spot duty with Rangers teammate Ryan Callahan and big David Backes

Wilson has said he wants to get the defense more involved in the rush but unless US forwards make a stronger commitment to keeping the third man high to cover for that, it will get ugly. Look for a guy like Drury to get more ice time given his strong two way skills.

Bottom line, the US has the maximum 6 points after two game and thatÂ’s what counts. They are however going to have to up their game, especially on defense. The Americans made a number of mistakes that would have cost them against a stronger squad like Canada.

As for the Canadians, a funny thing happened on the way to SundayÂ’s big gameÂ…they had to go a shoot out to defeat Switzerland (a team the US handled with reasonable ease). It was pretty clear the Swiss found their legs after a day off (they wilted under US pressure from the 2nd period on after hanging with them through the 1st) and pushed the host country to the brink. Mass suicide north of the 49th parallel was avoided when Sidney Crosby scored on Swiss goalie Jonas Hiller (who as the saying goes, stood on his all night long) and Canadian net minder Martin Brodeur blanked the Swiss shooters.

tmi3rd takes a look at the game and what it means for the US and the tournament at large...

A lot to take away from this. I unfortunately got to this game a bit late, but first of all, Canada has some things theyÂ’ve got to work out. They tried to play a very physical game against Switzerland only to be matched hit for hit by the Swiss.

Starting from the net out- Martin Brodeur was overshadowed heavily by AnaheimÂ’s Jonas Hiller in net for the SwissÂ… 44 saves on 46 shots, and one got past him in the shootout. Brodeur saved 21 of 23, and I frankly couldnÂ’t tell you if Luongo would have been any better.

On defense- you pretty much have to hand it to the Swiss. The top Canadian defensive pairing of Shea Weber (Nashville) and Scott Niedermayer (Anaheim) finished with an even plus-minus (if youÂ’re on the ice for an even-strength goal for you, itÂ’s a plus, and a goal against, itÂ’s a minus; there are different rules when shorthanded) and an assist for Weber. The Swiss come out even on the plus-minus, with defensemen Patrick von Gunten picking up a goal and Patrick Furrer an assist.

Up front, the story for the Canadians continues to be the San Jose Sharks line of Patrick Marleau and Dany HeatleyÂ… Marleau and Heatley each had a goal and an assist. The Crosby line with Jarome Iginla (Calgary) and Rick Nash (Columbus) was physical but Iginla disappearedÂ… Crosby and Nash had 10 shots on net. Head Coach Mike Babcock (Detroit) began to tinker with lines late trying to spring some offense, but none was coming.

The Swiss top line of Ivo Ruthemann, Martin Pluss, and Thierry Paterlini each had an assist and Ivo Ruthemann had the remaining goal. Nobody could solve Brodeur in the shootout, and Sidney Crosby is one of the best shooters in the game this year.

So what does it mean?

First of all, the result is not as shocking as it might seem at first glance. Switzerland beat Canada 2-0 in Turin and Canada always seems to run across hot Swiss goaltenders. Last time, it was Martin Gerber (then with Ottawa); this time, it was Jonas Hiller.

Switzerland plays a system much like Jacques LemaireÂ’s New Jersey Devils in the 90sÂ… suffocating defense and very physical. TheyÂ’re not that big, and some of their top players are in the AHL (minor leagues) or still in junior hockey. They stick to their system, and in the third period, they only sent in one forechecker and left four men back. When setting up in the neutral zone defensively, they simply set up the classic trap (the forwards funnel the puck carrier to the boards and squash him at the blue line), and Canada would then play dump-and-chase against the well-prepared Swiss defense.

One of the things that worked for the US versus Switzerland was its impressive overall team speed- Canada is not as fast by comparison. Switzerland matched up well physically against the larger but slower Canadians, and a good defensive game is what made tonightÂ’s game what it was.

Had the Canadians lost, it would have required a regulation win for them on Sunday to win the group. Instead, this evening shows the standings as US- 6 points; Canada- 5 points; Switzerland- 1 point; Norway, 0 points (3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for a shootout win, 1 point for a shootout loss, etc.). Any win for Canada wins the group; any win for the US wins the group. This is due to the fact that Canada obliterated Norway the way they did (8-0). Goal differential dictates standings if tied in points.

The other ramification of the Canada win is that it keeps the press off their backs. The Canadian press and public are utterly unforgiving of anything less than perfection from their boys, in a way that makes the New York press pale in comparison.

So what did we learn?

Canada is capable of being outworked, and theUS showed today that they can gain strength going into the third period. Their third period today was a successful chemistry experiment (and long overdue) for Ron Wilson, and set up some good roles for the third and fourth lines to play. The US will have to play pretty much perfect defense to hang with Canada, and Ryan Miller will have to steal the game much as Jonas Hiller did this evening.

While Drew is rather bullish on the US, we pointedly saw this evening why I am not as floored by the Canadians as many are. Canada has chemistry issues that still need to be worked out, and play a slower game than people realize. Their most lethal line is their second line (Heatley, Marleau, Toews), although the first line may have better success against the Rafalski-Suter defensive pairing because of size (Rafalski is under 6Â’ tall). The US is still not sharp, but itÂ’s truly anyoneÂ’s game going into Sunday.

Posted by: DrewM at 05:38 AM | Comments (108)
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1 Hockey is a sport; curling is a game (or a woman fixing her hair).

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2010 05:42 AM (QrA9E)

2  Bread and circuses and 'Guns and butter'?

 When I think about it, I get that 'all is vanity' vibe...

 

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 19, 2010 05:44 AM (oeESr)

3

Not much to say on women's hockey: It's pretty much Canada, the USA, and everybody else.

As for curling, it may be fin to watch but let's face it: How athletic is it when a woman in her second trimester can start on an Olympic team?

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 05:47 AM (rI0GJ)

4 @1 Agreed. As a Texan I was denied the opportunity to play hockey and was forced into football...I'd pick hockey any day to play or watch live.

Posted by: Zatara at February 19, 2010 05:48 AM (nz654)

5

Curling?!? Curling?

The "it" sport?

God you people will buy whatever you're told.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2010 05:51 AM (IsLT6)

6 CROSBY IS STILL A BITCH!

USAUSAUSAUSA!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for the Left at February 19, 2010 05:51 AM (erIg9)

7 The Swiss have of course manhandled the Canadians before, but I wonder if it was not also a classic case of the "trap" game?

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 05:52 AM (rI0GJ)

8 fwiw, curlers stay on the ice for the entire game, they don't play in shifts.

and, if you do the math, the energy in a curling stone at release is the equivalent of a hockey puck traveling at 198.32 mph.

think about that rumbing down the ice the next time you decide to mock curling.


Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 05:53 AM (ruzrP)

9

"and, if you do the math, the energy in a curling stone at release is the equivalent of a hockey puck traveling at 198.32 mph."

--Yeah, but a puck going that fast will fly.  The stone is always going to stay on the ice.

Also doubt a five months' pregnant woman can play a lot of hockey at top level.

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 05:56 AM (rI0GJ)

10 (I didn't really read it, nor am I going to but seemed like they spent some time on it.)

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2010 09:56 AM (GZitp)

--I think I should say that about a lot of posts here!

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 05:57 AM (rI0GJ)

11 The US is also imposing their will on teams due to their size. Ryan and Backes are flat-out leveling dudes. No one can move them off the puck either. I think once we are in the medal rounds, Wilson will have thee defense hang back just a bit and count on wearing down other teams.

Great analysis!

Posted by: Bruceinsocal at February 19, 2010 05:58 AM (J6hTO)

12 Curling is a much better televison sport than hockey.

First off - you can ** see ** the stone.  The puck practically disappears when they pull back.

The pace of the sport lends itself to the human drama of athletic competition.

There's enough action with the screaming and the sweeping to keep you from reading the newspaper.

The basic physics involved allow people who have no earthly idea about the game to think they could step out on the ice and do better than Olympians.

With hockey, unless you're at the game, it's tough to follow the play, especially the off-puck stuff.  At games you can watch plays develop much more easily.

My sons were talking smack about curling.  I'm taking them to a local curling club which is hosting an open house in two weeks.  They're about to get an edumacation as to what the sport involves.

Ibuprofen.

That's what will be involved -- and beer, once they're old enough.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 05:59 AM (ruzrP)

13

Curling.....!

WTF?

It just had to be some grand appeasment to the Canuks a century of Winter Olympicses ago, or something, that got that into the mix as a "sport"....

Its fucking shuffleboard on ice, for Christ's sake....

So if you can have curling in the Winter Olympics....why don't they have shuffleboard in the Summer Olympics?

I'll tell you why....

Because Carnival Cruise Lines hasn't ever hosted a Summer Olympics....that's why...

Curling!....Olympic Sport!....Fucking Canuks...!

Posted by: steve at February 19, 2010 06:00 AM (nd0uY)

14 When people talk "trap" I think of neutral-zone trap, and we really didn't see that here. Canada got into Swiss territory plenty (look at the SOGs), just couldn't put it away...that was all Hiller, who was amazing last night. Really looking forward to Sunday's match-ups. Of course you've got US/Canada, but watch the Russa/Czech game as well...I think that's going to be a close one too. PS-Floppa blows.

Posted by: qball at February 19, 2010 06:01 AM (Wdjwf)

15 "US Wracking Up Medals" ?! Spell much, Yahoo? Actually it's 18 medals so far, 6 gold 5 silver 7 bronze. Half of Yahoo didn't update last night.

Posted by: t-bird at February 19, 2010 06:03 AM (FcR7P)

16

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 09:59 AM (ruzrP)

--Curling has something else hockey will never have: The ability to drink hilst playing it!

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:04 AM (rI0GJ)

17 ...and 9/6/7 adds up to 22 medals.

Posted by: t-bird at February 19, 2010 06:04 AM (FcR7P)

18 Stack Brooms!

~~ drink ~~

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 06:05 AM (ruzrP)

19 “Skip” Shuster has blown each one. Hello, Sailor!

Posted by: Andi Sullivan at February 19, 2010 06:05 AM (4Kl5M)

20

Curling!....Olympic Sport!....Fucking Canuks...!

Posted by: steve at February 19, 2010 10:00 AM (nd0uY)

--I think it's only been in since '98.

When people talk "trap" I think of neutral-zone trap, and we really didn't see that here.

Posted by: qball at February 19, 2010 10:01 AM (Wdjwf)

--Oh, you impute way too much hockey knowledge to me.  I as referring to a team looking ahead to a big matchup coming after another team that is often underestimated/disrespected/taken for granted (which the Chargers may have done against the Jets in the playoffs).

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:07 AM (rI0GJ)

21 As for curling, it may be f(u)n to watch:

You know what would make curling even more fun?  Dim the lights and have

FLAMING STONES!

Slid the fire belching stone and every time it hits another stone, flames shoot out all over the place.  It'll take the place of midnight bowling!

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:07 AM (wOGfT)

22 Shuster has definitely hurt the sport.  Hopefully, they'll start showing us some good curling matches after both USA teams are eliminated.

Posted by: Valiant at February 19, 2010 06:08 AM (/3igr)

23

Fucking 'w' key on my laptop is not working half the time!

wwwwwwwwwww

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:08 AM (rI0GJ)

24 Snowboarding, freestyle, mogels?

Americans do particularly well at sports that involve smoking pot.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 19, 2010 06:09 AM (KeOQp)

25 for those that disparage curling, and I understand why, it's not shuffleboard.

The ice is pebbled, not smooth, which affects the ability of the stone to curl.   They spritz the ice and let the droplets freeze.

The surface changes slightly each throw, each end.

The amount of spin in a particular direction affects the final location.

The sweeping also affects the line and final placement of the stone.

It's not throw-and-go.

Curling's not hockey.   But, then, hockey isn't curling.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 06:09 AM (ruzrP)

26 Oh, anyone done an analysis on the next round of games?  From what I can gather, a US win on Sunday would have the Canucks ranked below them and maybe, even hopefully, force them into an extra game.

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:10 AM (wOGfT)

27

So if you can have curling in the Winter Olympics....why don't they have shuffleboard in the Summer Olympics?

Because they're holding the spot open for Bocce Ball.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2010 06:10 AM (IsLT6)

28 Hopefully, the U.S. team can get the old "chemistry" flowing a little more by Sunday and kick the Canucks asses. Both the U.S. team and the Canadian team have looked a little rough so far in my opinion. I hate to say it, but the other two brackets have looked alot more formidable in the early goings. I can't wait until Sunday....

Posted by: Semper Gumby at February 19, 2010 06:12 AM (wlE4Z)

29 Because they're holding the spot open for Bocce Ball.

They've got rugby now.  But no baseball and softball.  Way back in the day, tug-of-war was an Olympic sport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tug_of_war_at_the_Summer_Olympics

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:12 AM (wOGfT)

30 I thought the Canada - Swiss was a great game. Fun to watch.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:13 AM (0GFWk)

31

Slid the fire belching stone and every time it hits another stone, flames shoot out all over the place.  It'll take the place of midnight bowling!

Either that, or it will summon Mustakrakish the Lake Troll and anger Thor.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2010 06:13 AM (IsLT6)

32

Because they're holding the spot open for Bocce Ball.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2010 10:10 AM (IsLT6)

--We get no respect!

Posted by: Professional Lawn Darts Association at February 19, 2010 06:13 AM (rI0GJ)

33 Do they still have downhill skiing in the Olympics? Because if it ain't live I don't watch it.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:15 AM (0GFWk)

34 Also....I have pretty good Gaydar and I am getting some signals that indicate that the skater Johnny Weir....just may be a bit Gay.

Just putting it out there.. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at February 19, 2010 06:16 AM (KeOQp)

35 I thought we got next?!

Posted by: PBA at February 19, 2010 06:17 AM (rI0GJ)

36 Sports posts with Continue reading in them should include cheerleaders.

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 19, 2010 06:18 AM (2QFX4)

37 if you do the math, the energy in a curling stone at release is the equivalent of a hockey puck traveling at 198.32 mph.

That's why the goalies' life expectancy is only 3 matches.

Posted by: toby928 at February 19, 2010 06:19 AM (PD1tk)

38 re:  Johnny Weir

I don't know about that -- but my wife was enthralled by Patrick Chan's thighs. 

A guy who looks like a guy who skates like that ... I did the only thing I could think to do ... I told her he was gay, like Johnny Weir-level gay.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2010 06:19 AM (ruzrP)

39

Also....I have pretty good Gaydar and I am getting some signals that indicate that the skater Johnny Weir....just may be a bit Gay.

Hm. Flamboyant, bitchy, likes pink tassles. Yeah, I'd say you'r onto something. On the other hand, if I had to act that way to room with Tanith Belbin, you can start calling me Twinkletoes right now.

Posted by: ErikW at February 19, 2010 06:21 AM (6FFww)

40 but this is America, you have to win or people wonÂ’t find it interesting for very long.

I don't know, the Power of Norway's Pants compels me.  I am totally rooting for the pants.  Also I want the Chinese to lose.

I love curling.  Part of me thinks "hey I can do that" while the rest of me knows that my panther like reflexes will result in me faceplanting on the ice immediately.

Also....I have pretty good Gaydar and I am getting some signals that indicate that the skater Johnny Weir....just may be a bit Gay.

The hell you say! 

Posted by: alexthechick at February 19, 2010 06:21 AM (8WZWv)

41 So if you can have curling in the Winter Olympics....why don't they have shuffleboard in the Summer Olympics?

Is bowling a Summer Olympics medal sport yet?

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 19, 2010 06:21 AM (EWvJ6)

42 Seriously though.  Considering the chasm between the top two women's hockey teams (US, Canadia) and the talent below the top 6 men's teams (the US was ranked 6th coming into the tourney), I wonder why Baseball and Softball were removed from the Olympics, but Hockey remains.

It will be interesting to see also if the NHL agrees to do this in 4 years.  I'm already hearing grumbling from some of the execs about the hiatus the season is taking and if anyone gets hurt and spoils a team's season, you might be watching the end of NHL stars at the Olys.

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:21 AM (wOGfT)

43 Americans do particularly well at sports that involve smoking pot.

Heh.  Remember when the Canadian snowboarder gold medalist came up positive for pot and the defense was that it was contact high from how good the Canadian weed is?  The thing is, I totally believe him.


Posted by: alexthechick at February 19, 2010 06:23 AM (8WZWv)

44 Still no love for us at the Olympics.

Posted by: World Beer Pong Circuit at February 19, 2010 06:23 AM (rI0GJ)

45 Hockey is a Yankee game. How about some ski Orienteering?

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2010 06:24 AM (OlN4e)

46 It will be interesting to see also if the NHL agrees to do this in 4 years. I'm already hearing grumbling from some of the execs about the hiatus the season is taking and if anyone gets hurt and spoils a team's season, you might be watching the end of NHL stars at the Olys. Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 10:21 AM (wOGfT) Somebody like me really never watches Hockey. I do watch during the Olympics and that will make me more likely to watch the NHL during the rest of the Year. So I think it is a trade off. Oh and is it just me or do some of the Girl Hockey players look hot in those uniforms???

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:26 AM (0GFWk)

47

Doesn't matter who wins the olympics. The Penguins are going to win back to back Stanley Cups.

Also, is it just me or does hockey get the short shrift on NBC.  Why don't they cut into curling to show the hockey games at 7:30?  Twice now they started the game on MSNBC, then cut it off at 8 and only started it on CNBC when curling is over.

Curling, like bowling, looks like a sport that is fun to play, but it isn't fun to watch.

I would think hockey would be one of the most popular sports in the winter olympics, but they need to start treating it that way.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:26 AM (wuv1c)

48
think about that rumbing down the ice the next time you decide to mock curling.

I'd like to see you curlers make a kick save.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 19, 2010 06:26 AM (1hM1d)

49 I watched some of a women's hockey game and it was unbearable. My highschool team would have destroyed any of them. It is truly pitiful hockey.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:27 AM (wuv1c)

50

Americans do particularly well at sports that involve smoking pot.

The exception to that rule must be that asshat Bodie Miller. How he keeps making the Olympic team I'll never know. If I were the coach I'd boot his ass from the squad and pick someone who actually wants to take the sport seriously.

Posted by: ErikW at February 19, 2010 06:29 AM (6FFww)

51 I watched some of a women's hockey game and it was unbearable. My highschool team would have destroyed any of them. It is truly pitiful hockey. Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:27 AM (wuv1c) I bet they smell better than your high school hockey team?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:31 AM (0GFWk)

52 I went to the fights last night and a hockey game broke out.

*ducks*

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2010 06:32 AM (OtQXp)

53

I watched some of a women's hockey game and it was unbearable. My highschool team would have destroyed any of them. It is truly pitiful hockey.
Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:27 AM (wuv1c)

I bet they smell better than your high school hockey team?

 

clearly you have never been in a hockey locker room. No one smells good. Unless you play hockey then you develop a liking for the taste of sweat, mold and leather....I guess people into S&M might like the smell too.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:33 AM (wuv1c)

54 Can someone explain to me how Evgeni Nabokov is allowed to play goal for Russia? He is a Kazakh.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:34 AM (wuv1c)

55 clearly you have never been in a hockey locker room. No one smells good. Unless you play hockey then you develop a liking for the taste of sweat, mold and leather....I guess people into S&M might like the smell too. Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:33 AM (wuv1c) Well I played Football but not with girls. Although there was one gay guy on the team?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:35 AM (0GFWk)

56 What the f**k was with the hobo uniforms for the half pipe?

Posted by: Butternut at February 19, 2010 06:35 AM (5IG4p)

57

tmi3rd.

I noticed the Swiss were playing a "trap" type game as well. It's funny because isn't Lamaire the co-headcoach of Canada? He should know how to beat it

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:35 AM (wuv1c)

58 Right now the US leads in the medal count with 15 total and lead in number of events won (5 Gold, 4 Silver, 6 Bronze) compare that to the total of 25 in Turin (9/6/7) and weÂ’re not even a full week into completion.

Looking at the schedule, it looks like the USA medal count (which stands at 18 now) will slow down dramatically after Saturday's men's speed skating.  Most of the cannabis activities are done now, Vonn is hurt, and the Koreans look like they are dominant on the short track.

Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at February 19, 2010 06:37 AM (EWvJ6)

59 Yeah, did you hear that Lindsey Vonn had to give her gold medal (for downhill skiing) back?  Turns out they reviewed the tapes and the committee was forced to give the medal to Obama.  He flew downhill much, much faster than Vonn did. - Mitt Romney

Posted by: momma at February 19, 2010 06:38 AM (penCf)

60 This really does not surprise me:

http://tinyurl.com/ya5pkpf

I watched some of a women's hockey game and it was unbearable. My highschool team would have destroyed any of them.

Same in soccer, and also basketball.  Most halfway decent HS boys teams will beat a pro woman's team.

Back before there was a pro woman's soccer league, the US National team had to go find other teams to scrimmage against.  Depending on what the coach wanted to work on, here was his thinking:  If he wanted the girls to win, he would play a U14 boys team.  If he wanted a tough game, he would play a U15 boys team.  If the girls were getting full of themselves, he would play a U16 team.

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:38 AM (wOGfT)

61

Well I played Football but not with girls. Although there was one gay guy on the team?

Hockey is different. In football you sweat can escape, it can fall off your body, in hockey your entire body is covered. the sweat that runs down you arms ends up in your gloves, the sweat from your head, neck and chest into your pants and the sweat from your legs into your skates.  So you are essentially bathing in your own sweat the entire game. It has no where to escape too. Also, most hockey equipment is leather, which tends to give off a funny smell when soaked in sweat.

Ask anyone who plays hockey to describe the smell of hockey equipment and a locker room. It is truly different from any other sport

Also was the dude openly gay, or did you find out about this when he was towel whipping everyone while they were showering?

 

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 06:40 AM (wuv1c)

62

Olympic hockey is the only hockey I watch. I'll watch curling pretty much any time I can find it. It's an oddly compelling sport.

And there are certain lines that just shouldn't be crossed, like women playing hockey and men figure skating. Sorry, I'm just old-fashioned that way...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 19, 2010 06:43 AM (i3AsK)

63 Ask anyone who plays hockey to describe the smell of hockey equipment and a locker room. It is truly different from any other sport Also was the dude openly gay, or did you find out about this when he was towel whipping everyone while they were showering? Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:40 AM (wuv1c) I'm only kidding around, but some of the girls look kinda cute. Hey a few beers and and even Rosie....ah maybe not, that would take alot of hard liquor

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:43 AM (0GFWk)

64 Morning, guys.  Anyone getting ready for Tiger's presser?   Got my popcorn ready.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2010 06:46 AM (UOM48)

65 Tiger's presser?

Yawn.

Posted by: CUS at February 19, 2010 06:49 AM (wOGfT)

66

Ron Wilson couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.  He shit the bed in San Jose and he's making a bad team, (Toronto), worse with his lame attempts.  The USA has youth and speed, (with the exception of guys like Langenbrunner and Rafalski), and an enthusiasm that even Ron Wilson won't be able to coach out of them. 

Sunday night will be the big test, if they can hang w/ Canada they will learn from it and have a shot to go all the way to the Gold.  But they are still a long shot - I think they will be fighting Sweden for the Bronze. 

All that being said, some of these games look to be the best hockey games we will have seen in a long time.  All of the teams seem to be taking these games very seriously.  It is like multiple all star games with the players actually caring about the outcome.

 

Posted by: MikE at February 19, 2010 06:51 AM (T1boi)

67 this is America, you have to win or people wonÂ’t find it interesting for very long.

Are you sure about that?

Posted by: Detroit Lions at February 19, 2010 06:52 AM (mR7mk)

68 Can someone explain to me how Evgeni Nabokov is allowed to play goal for Russia? He is a Kazakh.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:34 AM (wuv1c)

--Almost half of Kazakhstan's population is ethnic Russian.  In any case, Russia's such a diverse country it does not surprise me.

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:52 AM (rI0GJ)

69 Mmm...mmm...mmm. I rank right up there with pudding and Trafficante's "hair".

Posted by: Hockey Sweat at February 19, 2010 06:52 AM (wlE4Z)

70 Isn't curiling kind of like shuffleboard meets bocci meets winter?

By the way, doesn't bocci or bacci mean that game is called kisses?

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 06:53 AM (bN5ZU)

71 Olympics smoolympics, I'll start watching them when they introduce synchronized ice fishing.

Posted by: Buffalobob at February 19, 2010 06:54 AM (XjviO)

72

All that being said, some of these games look to be the best hockey games we will have seen in a long time.  All of the teams seem to be taking these games very seriously.  It is like multiple all star games with the players actually caring about the outcome.

 Posted by: MikE at February 19, 2010 10:51 AM (T1boi)

--Quite a contrast with '06, or '98. Ugh.

Anyway, I wish Canada and the USA would adopt some sort of cool heraldry for their unis like every other team has.  Canada seems to have taken a step forward with using the plain maple leaf, but there's still a ways to go. . . .

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:55 AM (rI0GJ)

73 Hey, don't you guys know I have a press conference scheduled, where I hand picked all the reports and will not be answering questions. There is some must see t.v.

Posted by: Tiger Woods  Barack Obama at February 19, 2010 10:56 AM (V9SYy)

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 06:59 AM (rI0GJ)

74 Think Tiger wears a Red Shirt at his presser today or goes with the old dark conservative suit?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 19, 2010 06:59 AM (0GFWk)

75 Can someone explain to me how Evgeni Nabokov is allowed to play goal for Russia? He is a Kazakh.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 10:34 AM (wuv1c)

--Almost half of Kazakhstan's population is ethnic Russian.  In any case, Russia's such a diverse country it does not surprise me.

no I understand that. What I am saying is that he was born in Kazakhistan, not russia.

I thought you have to be born in the country you play for in the olympics.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 07:01 AM (wuv1c)

76

But they are still a long shot - I think they will be fighting Sweden for the Bronze. 

Sweden almost lost to Germany. I don't think they are as good as everyone thinks

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 07:02 AM (wuv1c)

77

no I understand that. What I am saying is that he was born in Kazakhistan, not russia.

I thought you have to be born in the country you play for in the olympics.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 11:01 AM (wuv1c)

--Oh no, there have been plenty of exceptions (not that I'm certain that's a rule).  Remember the American girl who was not allowed on the USA basketball team and basically freelanced and played for Russia?

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 07:05 AM (rI0GJ)

78 "Unfortunately, we suck at Curling."

That's like sucking at wife tossing.  I did some curling as kid in high school gym class.  When the coach explained the rules to us, I thought whoever came up with this game was on acid.  I think long term exposure to the northern latitudes does something to the brain.  It would explain why otherwise intelligent people from that part of the world tend to become socialists.  For some reason, Alaskans are exempt.

Anyhow, a great Olympic sport would be free running.
That would rock. 

Posted by: RayJ at February 19, 2010 07:06 AM (YcjCJ)

79 BTW, great story on Myron Rolle, the FSU defensive back who is now at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar.  I'm about halfay through, but it's an intriguing read.

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 07:09 AM (rI0GJ)

80 Ah, her name was Becky Hammon.  Seems the Russians are pretty mercenary with their national teams.

Posted by: logprof at February 19, 2010 07:12 AM (rI0GJ)

81 CROSBY IS STILL A BITCH!

USA USA USA USA!

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for the Left at February 19, 2010 07:26 AM (erIg9)

82 Me @#74:  I just posted that without reading any of the other comments. Guess it's true!

Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 07:27 AM (bN5ZU)

83 Curling actually looks like a fun sport, the kind you play for kicks around a 24 pack of Bud with a bunch of friends. No one cares about score, just sweep a rock around and get bombed on beer.

Maybe they should make beer pong an Olympic sport or better yet make Curling a drinking game. Olympics would be more fun to watch if we get to see the athletes get shitfaced during it.

Same in soccer, and also basketball.  Most halfway decent HS boys teams will beat a pro woman's team.

Not my High School, my Girls Varsity B-ball team was awesome but the Boys teams including Football sucked the sweat out of a dead dogs ass.

Posted by: Gary B at February 19, 2010 07:35 AM (1gWfF)

84 Ben-

Sorry, just crawled out of bed- fighing off being sick, so pursuant to Team Canada versus the Swiss trap...

I figure everyone on the Canadian coaching staff knows how to defeat the trap- I'm not sure anyone knows how to get people to the net when you already have four defenders collapsing around the net. Same with the Russians last night- they were blocking every shot the Slovaks threw out there, and the Slovaks got back so quickly it didn't matter.

In looking at the games yesterday, I think it honestly comes down to one-on-one battles down low- there were so few rebound opportunities or sustained pressure situations from any of the teams we saw (minus US-Norway) that you couldn't see any workmanlike goals scored. Defenders for all these clubs were tossing pucks back into the neutral zone so quickly that I actually didn't see a nice, organized breakout from most of these teams unless the other guys were changing lines.

In any event, the round-robin section of this tournament is officially on its ear now... the Czechs (!) have the inside track (assuming that they take care of business against Russia) to winning Group B (and the all-important first round bye), the Swedes and Finns are going to be battling it out for Group C, and we'll see what happens on Sunday for the US and Canada.

I'm assuming Canada can withstand anything except losing to the US, so I expect the Canadians to come out like someone's chasing them with a cattle prod on Sunday. If the US decides to play smart defense, this'll be a good game. If the US plays as poorly defensively as it did against the Swiss and Norway... yikes.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 07:51 AM (u+G1L)

85 Good gosh, I love this blog. Full-on conservatism mixed with full-on hockey. It don't get no better than that.

Posted by: Dave at February 19, 2010 08:00 AM (Xm1aB)

86 Ben-

Petr Nedved played for Team Canada in the '94 Olympics (Lillehammer), and he's played since on Team Czech Republic in other international tournaments... it's a mess. I think you're stuck with whatever team you decide to play with in the Olympics permanently, so Becky Hammon couldn't go back and play for the US.

Wanted to weigh in on Ron Wilson- his career has more or less hung on his '96 World Cup win (which was pretty damned amazing). We had to face the Ron Wilson Sharks a lot in Nashville (the Preds have only ever drawn the Sharks or Red Wings in the playoffs), and I really kind of felt like he was a victim of the disappearing Joe Thornton. As far as the Toronto situation goes, honestly, who'd want that job? That team is so broken that you might as well pull the entire Marlies (AHL) squad up and let them play (leaving Phaneuf and Giguere in place, of course). They'd have a better shot than what I've seen so far from them.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 08:01 AM (u+G1L)

87

and weÂ’re not even a full week into completion.

I'm sorry, Mr M, but we're going to have to dock you points for that error.

Posted by: The Canadian Judge at February 19, 2010 08:07 AM (2qU2d)

88

The W Downhill on Wed was great.  Killer, super fast course, nasty crashes, lots of pretty girls in spandex and the US goes 1-2.  Julia Mancuso and Lindsey Vonn and kicking ass and taking names in Vancouver.  They could easily go 1-2 in the Super G again tomorrow.

If the ghey finger skating isn't working for you, check out the W ski events.  They've been great.

Posted by: Les Grossman at February 19, 2010 08:12 AM (jat5l)

89

The Canadian press and public are utterly unforgiving of anything less than perfection from their boys, in a way that makes the New York press pale in comparison.

It's not winning a silver, it's losing a gold.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 08:16 AM (2qU2d)

90 Oh, no doubt, Andy... I just remember some horrifying stuff in print after the World Cup, and after Torino... I would have loved to see the US press come down as hard on the NBA All-Stars who kept choking on the World Championship or Olympic stages.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 08:20 AM (u+G1L)

91 Slovakia (my grandparent's homeland) beats the Russkies 2-1 in a shootout!

I can die happily now.  Commie dicks.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 19, 2010 08:32 AM (oJZe6)

92

re:90

Not enough ice these days...I'd rather see more ice and more opportunity for the 'O' to create itself. 

Posted by: garrett at February 19, 2010 08:45 AM (8BBdp)

93 Garrett-

No doubt. You can definitely tell that some of these teams really struggle with the smaller ice surface. All the same, I'd much rather watch an international tournament than the usual All-Star bullshit. Of course, my NHL team (the Preds) don't have a million players playing in the Olympics, so I won't have the hangover blues (provided the Preds make the playoffs).

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 09:10 AM (u+G1L)

94 An American would not have done what the russian did, it's not sportsmanlike, but yet, he brazenly did it, here we would call him a sore loser:
" Playing It Safe for Olympic Gold"
"Shortly after Evan Lysacek regaled the media about how he'd just upset Russian figure skater Evgeni Plushenko on Thursday night to win the men's free skate, Plushenko sauntered into the bowels of the Pacific Coliseum and all but denounced his American vanquisher as an unworthy Olympic champion.

"We need to change the scoring system," Plushenko snorted, "if the Olympic champion can't jump [a] quad."

A quad is launching oneself off the ice and spinning four times before landing, and not falling while doing so. That is a 1,440-degree spin.

Plushenko, who was attempting to be the first man to win consecutive Olympic figure skatin gold medals in 60 years, did it and lost. Lysacek didn't attempt one and won."

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 09:15 AM (p302b)

95 My wife gave up on the men's figure skating program a while ago... she regards it as too queenie. I'd go for the laugh of a fight between Lysacek and Johnny Weir... it'd come down to whose purse is bigger.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 09:24 AM (u+G1L)

96 Lysacek has a girl friend.  He's had a lot of girlfriends apparently. 

The anchoress has Brian boitano's skates up for all to see.

Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 09:37 AM (p302b)

97

"We need to change the scoring system," Plushenko snorted, "if the Olympic champion can't jump [a] quad."

I guess Obama's found his new "government reform" Czar.

I'd rather see more ice and more opportunity for the 'O' to create itself. 

Obama plays hockey?

Of course, my NHL team (the Preds) don't have a million players playing in the Olympics,

Luckily that's not a problem for me as I don't live in a city with an NHL team--I'm in Toronto.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 09:42 AM (2qU2d)

98 Canada has some things theyÂ’ve got to work out. They tried to play a very physical game against Switzerland Physical? With Sidney Crosby? What did he do to contribute? Hit 'em with his purse?

Posted by: Che Pizza at February 19, 2010 10:08 AM (SPSOE)

99 Nice write up.

Posted by: Che Pizza at February 19, 2010 10:08 AM (SPSOE)

100 There are some faux sports in the Olympics, curling could be one of them, that should be shunned mercilessly.  People should show up in the venues, stand up and boo until they're hoarse.  Throw trash on the ice.  Whatever.  Same deal with the Summer games.  Syncronized swimming.  Jesus Christ on a bicycle.  We should buy tickets and moon them while booing.  Now, being a conservative Republican it is impossible for me to engage in that kind of behavior but I would certainly support the efforts of others in that regard.

Posted by: iowavette at February 19, 2010 10:11 AM (0JTac)

101 Curling.  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

That is all.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 10:20 AM (1fanL)

102 Well, we kinda know why they knock out their teeth, right?

Not that there's anything wrong with that, eh?

Posted by: Adjoran at February 19, 2010 10:21 AM (HeULl)

103

I thought you have to be born in the country you play for in the olympics.

Posted by: Ben at February 19, 2010 11:01 AM (wuv1c)

Nope.  If you were born there, or you're a citizen there, or your parents were born there, or are citizens there, or if you can find it on a mpa, or if you like the local cuisine.

Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 10:24 AM (1fanL)

104

What's wrong with curling? At least it has a measurable result and isn't "judged".

Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 10:52 AM (2qU2d)

105 Not to nitpick, but Marty Gerber was playing for the Hurricanes during the 2006 Olympics. I had season tix that year and watched him help the Canes win the Cup that year.

As for the Olympic tourney, there is a reason why the IIHF schedules the "creampuffs" against the USA, Canada, Russia and Sweden early. They know that those teams have had no practice together and will be ripe for an upset in the early part of the tourney. The IIHF is sick with Euroweenies and pretty much sets the game up for the "European" style of play, much like FIBA does for Olympic basketball.

The lack of Euros in baseball/softball is the reason why those sports are no longer in the Olympics. The US/Caribbean, Latin Americam and Japan/Korea dominate baseball, and the Euros just can't have that.

As for the aroma of hockey, yeah, it's really that bad. I worked in hockey for several years, and it is something that you get used to, but it freaks most women out. One day when the team was on the road, I had to get some things from the team's locker room and took my wife into the locker room. She almost threw up. Once the playoffs ended, we would replace the carpet and paint the walls and ceiling, but it really didn't help. The only time the equipment ever really dried out during the season was during the Christmas break (3 days) and All Star break (4 days). For about 30 weeks straight, the equipment was used daily.

And hockey has the smelliest equipment, it is proven by science.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfWvVb7EXoQ

Posted by: MrCaniac at February 19, 2010 11:52 AM (Vol3D)

106 Cainiac- Your point is well-taken, but at which point did Cam Ward have to take over? And in the interest of full disclosure, I worked for a season in a 'Canes ECHL affiliation. Seemed to me the Red Wings (granted, already geriatric) were exhausted by the time the playoffs came. And Eric Stall, Erik Cole, and Rod Brind'amour are great guys.

Posted by: tmi3rd at February 19, 2010 12:20 PM (B5/RR)

107 "Lysacek has a girl friend.  He's had a lot of girlfriends apparently."

No doubt. What's his competition for the ladies in the figure skating world? He's an alpha male by default.

Posted by: kcs at February 19, 2010 12:32 PM (/8qpd)

108 Tmi3rd,

Ward took over going into the playoffs. Gerber did the heavy lifting throughout the regular season and seemed to run out of gas once the playoffs started to get near. Ward gets insane during the playoffs, but is kind of meh during the regular season.

That 06 run had some great moments especially the Eastern Conf Finals against Buffalo.  The Cup finals against Edmonton was also pretty good, especially game 7 which happened to take place on my wedding anniversary. (MrsCaniac was more than happy to go to the game instead of dinner!)

The Everblades is a great organization. I worked for Roanoke back when it was in the ECHL.

Posted by: MrCaniac at February 19, 2010 08:11 PM (Vol3D)

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