February 19, 2010
— Ace How desperate are they for the racism charge?
I saw this charge earlier, but had no idea what it was about. In the middle of the first clip here, Andrew Breitbart calls this NYT reporter "despicable" to her face.
Here's the article.
CPAC Speaker Bashes Obama, in Racial TonesBy KATE ZERNIKE
How can conservatives win the youth vote that overwhelmingly went for Barack Obama in 2008? At the Conservative Political Action Conference, apparently, some are betting on using racial stereotypes.
In a panel appealing to conservatives under 30, Jason Mattera, author of a forthcoming book called “Obama Zombies: How the Liberal Machine Brainwashed My Generation,” likened the gathering to “our Woodstock.”
“Except that unlike the last gathering, our women are beautiful, we speak in complete sentences and our notion of freedom doesn’t consist of snorting cocaine,” he said, “which is certainly one thing that separates us from Barack Obama.”
After the laughing died down, he added, “Actually, on the cocaine front, I do believe many people in America viewed Barack as they do drugs: it was a substance to experiment with.”
Dramatic pause for more laughter, and then, “But like most narcotics, the hangover afterward has them thinking, What the hell did I just do?”
It's not a racial stereotype that Barack Obama did cocaine. He did do cocaine. It was in his Bill Ayers' autobiography.
...He then mocked what he described, with a Chris Rock voice, as “diversity,” including, he said, college classes on “cyber feminism” and “what it means to be a feminist new black man.”
Now, here's the clip. Go to 3:30. That's where he's supposed to do the "Chris Rock voice."
Did you hear it?
He didn't do a "voice." That's his voice, you moron. That's the way the guy talks, you fucking imbecile.
I've talked to him in person. Lady -- this is not a "Chris Rock voice." This is Jason Matter's actual voice. And, by the way, if he's doing a "voice," how is it he does the entire address in this voice?
It's odd that this woman identifies an accent (here, a Brooklyn accent) as "black."
Accents tend to sound (sorry) uneducated to the upper-crust. Funny that the enlightened NYT reporter hears what sounds to her like an uneducated inner-city accent and deems it "black."
So what have we learned? Jason Mattera's Brooklyn accent sounds "black" to Kate Zernicke, but Jason Mattera, you see, is the one indulging in racial stereotypes.
BTW: This is no bullshit. I have talked to Jason a fair amount. This is how the man talks.
I guess he talks like one of those darkies Kate Zernicke has seen on the subway sometimes.
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Denny: White People don't live in cities?
Posted by: fb at February 19, 2010 06:13 PM (Bu9Jo)
Posted by: steevy at February 19, 2010 06:18 PM (hfF4Q)
Zernicke is just whoring herself for the team and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Posted by: Feh at February 19, 2010 06:18 PM (Hen++)
So what have we learned? Jason Mattera's Brooklyn accent sounds "black" to Kate Zernicke, but Jason Mattera, you see, is the one indulging in racial stereotypes.
I hope the racist reads this. But. It's weird how you can point out this kind of thing to an idiot like Zernicke, and it will be immediately forgotten. And never responded to.
Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2010 06:19 PM (fKO9+)
Posted by: rdbrewer at February 19, 2010 06:20 PM (fKO9+)
Posted by: pep at February 19, 2010 06:22 PM (0K3p3)
This microphone it is on? Yes, I can now be MC Hadji and my peeps? They will be hearing my words? Yes? Good.
Do you know what the difference is between white people and black people who live in Brooklyn? No?
Neither does the New York Times...
What did one Brooklyn person say to the other person who was also from Brooklyn?
Hello.
What? What else would they say? They are from Brooklyn.
But it is funny towards me that the reporter from the New York Times does not know of the sound of the people in New York City. I, a lone traveller from far away can tell the people from Manhatten from the people from Queens from the people in Bronx from the people from New Jersey ... but, to be honest, the people from New Jersey also smell different ... more like that of a camel after a long trek that is anxious to be mated
I keed. I keed.
A short trek.
..
Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at February 19, 2010 06:22 PM (ruzrP)
Posted by: Darcy at February 19, 2010 06:23 PM (cnJcX)
Good riddance.
Posted by: Feh at February 19, 2010 06:23 PM (Hen++)
Porky Pig was condemed today on CNBC for making fun of those who suffer from stuttering........film at eleven.
Posted by: Sparky at February 19, 2010 06:24 PM (r0u40)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for the Left at February 19, 2010 06:25 PM (erIg9)
Mattera has a discernable Negro accent---if he chooses to have one. Or he can choose to speak without it. Regardless, he's clean and articulate and could pass for a light-skinned Negro.
In other words, a perfect candidate for President.
Posted by: Majority Leader Harry Reid at February 19, 2010 06:25 PM (j4xgZ)
Like most liberals afflicted with overwhelming white guilt syndrome, she probably hasn't spent any significant time in her entire life fraternizing with blacks. It's such hypocrisy.
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 19, 2010 06:26 PM (554T5)
Posted by: President-in-exile Sarah Palin at February 19, 2010 06:27 PM (SgGTT)
The Paranoia, then they cease publishing on Saturday, then they go Web+Sunday paper, then a pathetic iPad effort, then IT'S OVA.
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 06:27 PM (0YPx8)
What is black and white and red all over?
Chris Rock and Jason Mattera covered in what your Brooklyn italian people call gravy.
That is the funny, no?
No?
Hmmm, okay, you people are a tough crowed tonight -
Why did Jason Mattera cross the street?
To say hello to his fellow Brooklynite Chris
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Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at February 19, 2010 06:28 PM (ruzrP)
http://tinyurl.com/yz3dph8
One look at her and you say to yourself, "What a trustworthy person. I'm so glad I read the New York Times."
Posted by: Feh at February 19, 2010 06:29 PM (Hen++)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 19, 2010 06:30 PM (eNxMU)
Posted by: alexthechick at February 19, 2010 06:31 PM (lvYSc)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for the Left at February 19, 2010 06:32 PM (erIg9)
Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2010 06:32 PM (n8Q/6)
Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, and Buckets of Scorn for
the Left at February 19, 2010 10:32 PM (erIg9)
Did you, uhh, want to join the brownbagger movement?
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at February 19, 2010 06:36 PM (1fanL)
And he looked like one, too.
And that's a good thing, because otherwise I wouldn't have listened to his speech.
I'm a teabagger. That's how we roll.
Posted by: notropis at February 19, 2010 06:36 PM (RVuYk)
Posted by: Feh at February 19, 2010 10:29 PM (Hen++)
How 'bout a NSTVWE warning, next time.
(Not safe to view while eating.)
Posted by: notropis at February 19, 2010 06:40 PM (RVuYk)
Who knew that angry, bitter, uptight, clipped haired, leftist, journalouse, feminazi, lesbians could be so unfair in their reporting.
Posted by: sifty at February 19, 2010 06:40 PM (YiL90)
The science is settled, Jason Mattera is a maricone high yellow who axed a question in Zimbabwean, or was it Austrian?
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 06:41 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: wtd at February 19, 2010 06:43 PM (gxT3Y)
Bunk.
Meanwhile, the NYT gets another pile of dirt added to its grave.
Anyone have a cigarette?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2010 06:44 PM (swuwV)
And he looked like one, too.
And that's a good thing, because otherwise I wouldn't have listened to his speech.
I'm a teabagger. That's how we roll.
Posted by: notropis at February 19, 2010 10:36 PM (RVuYk)
Heh.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 06:44 PM (1fanL)
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
That's the sound of another nail being driven into the New York Times coffin by Andrew Breitbart.
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 06:47 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: alexthechick at February 19, 2010 10:31 PM (lvYSc)
That's what I usually end up telling lefties. There's no point in talking policy, we won't even agree on facts.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 06:47 PM (1fanL)
I keep checking the comedy clubs -- maybe he just doesn't make it all the way out to Sioux Falls or Omaha....
He should.
People would think he's funny.
Then kill him because we hate Muslims out here in flyover country.
Posted by: notropis at February 19, 2010 06:48 PM (RVuYk)
Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2010 06:48 PM (n8Q/6)
Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at February 19, 2010 06:48 PM (Fmu+N)
"I guess he talks like one of those darkies Kate Zernicke has seen on the subway sometimes."
Al Jolson lives!
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 19, 2010 06:48 PM (ucq49)
Posted by: martha at February 19, 2010 06:53 PM (kFsTd)
Posted by: Kate Zernicke at February 19, 2010 06:53 PM (1fanL)
Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!
Is that you dear knocking on our bedroom door? (after 3 weeks seperation, based upon a Harvard graduate's recommendation to make their marriage better).
It is I. But can you guess what I'm knocking with?
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 19, 2010 06:53 PM (ucq49)
Posted by: Kevin at February 19, 2010 06:54 PM (FDaFm)
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 06:56 PM (0YPx8)
It is I. But can you guess what I'm knocking with?
Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at February 19, 2010 10:53 PM (ucq49)
Yes, it your Skull & Crossbones ring. The one you always wear to bed at night along with the Captain Marvel Secret Decoder Ring you purchased from Miss Cleo.
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 06:56 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 06:57 PM (0YPx8)
That must've been a bit awkward for Kate.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 06:59 PM (1fanL)
I'm just amazed that someone else who has spent any time in Brooklyn is a conservative. I thought there was me, the guy John up the street, that guy Kensington who comments here, and Dennis Prager, who wasn't conservative until he left....HMMMMMM. MMMMMM.
There are actually a lot of conservatives in Bensonhurst. They aren't exactly much for cultural diversity. Old school
Posted by: dagny at February 19, 2010 07:00 PM (n8Q/6)
Posted by: ParisParamus
at February 19, 2010 10:34 PM (0YPx
Oh, I think we all know that you were denigrating blacks with that little "slip-up." Racist.
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 07:03 PM (1fanL)
#58 Dagny,
you are 100% rught, I grew up in Bath Beach which borders Bensonhurst and the last time I was there it seemed not to have changed in 50 years.
Pretty conservative out in Borough park too
Posted by: martha at February 19, 2010 07:04 PM (kFsTd)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 19, 2010 07:06 PM (bvDV5)
Posted by: hueydiamondpooty at February 19, 2010 07:08 PM (Fmu+N)
She uses a car service, but some of the drivers are black so there's that.
Posted by: toby928 at February 19, 2010 07:08 PM (PD1tk)
Now it can finally be revealed: Kate Zernike is actually Amy Bishop's homlier and less vivacious little sister.
Posted by: sherlock at February 19, 2010 07:11 PM (ktKOD)
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 07:11 PM (1fanL)
Kate Zernike is very multi-dimensional regarding race, and on one occasion ate at Sylvia's in Harlem. She didn't leave a tip because the friend chicken was.......well fried.
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 07:11 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 07:13 PM (1fanL)
Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 07:16 PM (p302b)
Posted by: Charles Icarus Johnson at February 19, 2010 07:16 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 19, 2010 07:16 PM (/RwSS)
Kate Zernike is the chick who made all those nauseating 'fresh' commercials for women's cuchi products.
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 07:17 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: Che Pizza at February 19, 2010 07:19 PM (4iIhs)
Oh, and Kate Zernike is clearly a racist. At least, there's more evidence against her than Jason Mattera.
Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2010 07:20 PM (BGpfF)
At least is wasn't crack.
Posted by: Darth Nihilus69 at February 19, 2010 07:21 PM (GfYt/)
Years from now, when flunkies like Zernike are case studies in how journalism became a political weapon for the ignorant, I'll know I was there on the ground floor.
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 19, 2010 07:21 PM (vVM8h)
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 19, 2010 07:21 PM (A46hP)
Posted by: Che Pizza at February 19, 2010 07:22 PM (4iIhs)
Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 19, 2010 07:22 PM (5I0Yr)
Oops. I should have read the thread, first. Well-played, Kevin.
Posted by: progressoverpeace at February 19, 2010 07:23 PM (A46hP)
carr2n, david carr
Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 07:23 PM (p302b)
Posted by: palin steele (the worst chris rock imitator at AoSHQ) at February 19, 2010 07:24 PM (5I0Yr)
I dunno, sounds kinda hot to me.
Posted by: Major Kong at February 19, 2010 07:25 PM (dQusW)
It's odd that this woman identifies an accent (here, a Brooklyn accent) as "black."
Even odder is that the reporter thought her bullshit would remain hidden and unquestioned.
That's how out of touch they are. They still haven't figured out the scene has changed.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 19, 2010 07:26 PM (P33XN)
Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 07:29 PM (p302b)
Then kill him because we hate Muslims out here in flyover country.
I killed ten of them today cuz it's the start of the weekend and stuff.
Wait a minute...nope, I was wrong. They're liberals. One of them has a Harvard degree stuffed in his back pocket.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 19, 2010 07:29 PM (P33XN)
Seriously, this is what passes for journalism at the New York Times!?!
Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2010 07:29 PM (BGpfF)
Posted by: Thea at February 19, 2010 07:30 PM (/3dGX)
I wet myself a little when I heard Mattera's voice, it does sound a bit brownish (IYKWIM), but then I saw the video and was reassured.
However, I did find it confusing and it made my limbic brain angry.
Posted by: gebrauchshund at February 19, 2010 07:35 PM (ZTGFz)
Posted by: mark c at February 19, 2010 07:38 PM (SBIko)
"It's odd that this woman identifies an accent (here, a Brooklyn accent) as "black."
Haven't you been paying attention, Ace? The smartest people ever to populate this planet are all experts at picking up on that "Negro Dialect". After all, they hear it all day from their servants.
Yassuh! Massuh' sho' 'nuff no's dey di-leks!
"I denies the allegation, and I'd like to state for the record, I also dislikes the alligator."
Posted by: JC at February 19, 2010 07:40 PM (kmuoQ)
Posted by: The Wu Tang Clan at February 19, 2010 07:41 PM (4iIhs)
You guys have seen me lose all my charms, you know I was raised on the farm,....She tells her friends I'm perfect and that I love her cat, but you morons know me better than that.
Posted by: Blazer at February 19, 2010 07:41 PM (t72+4)
Now it can finally be revealed: Kate Zernike is actually Amy Bishop's homlier and less vivacious little sister.
Nonsense. She'd be dead if that were true.
And must I remind everyone...it's DR. AMY BISHOP!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 19, 2010 07:41 PM (P33XN)
Posted by: Major Kong at February 19, 2010 07:47 PM (dQusW)
At one point in her life Kate Zernike was consorting with Dum Dum, and not in a motherly way. Dum dum humped her cock.
Posted by: Fish at February 19, 2010 07:52 PM (M5t+h)
Posted by: huerfano at February 19, 2010 07:52 PM (gLSaO)
Seriously....
truth in advertising
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 19, 2010 07:52 PM (JrRME)
< snip >
"...and moreover, that I was no believer in the infallibility of the politics, or measures of any man living. In short, that I was no party man myself, and the first wish of my heart was, if parties did exist, to reconcile them."
George Washington to Thomas Jefferson. July 6, 1796
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 19, 2010 07:55 PM (oeESr)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 19, 2010 08:20 PM (sYxEE)
Posted by: DANEgerus at February 19, 2010 08:30 PM (LMi2C)
Posted by: ParisParamus at February 19, 2010 11:51 PM (0YPx
Oh, my god, please don't. Blind teabaggers will be scared shitless, thinking they're surrounded by negroes.
On the other hand, blind Chris Rock fans will be ecstatic, and asking for autographs (do blind people collect autographs?)
Posted by: notropis at February 19, 2010 08:37 PM (RVuYk)
That, and lack of any discernible intelligent mental activity above the minimum required to poke a keyboard and chew gum more-or-less simultaneously.
Posted by: J.S.Bridges at February 19, 2010 08:48 PM (LUh9r)
First the media reported that the lunatic who crashed his plane into the IRS building was some sort of right-wing tea partyer, despite the fact that his "manifesto" bashed Bush, organized religion, corporations, and capitalism, while portraying communism is a positive light and apparently agitating for socialized medicine. He made no mention of Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, the national debt, the federal budget deficit, or...you know...the tea party movement. So, while most of the evidence indicated that he was a leftist, and very little of the evidence indicated that he was a right-winger, the media reported the story as if he was...a right-wing "teabagger."
Meanwhile, the media does their best not to make any mention of the fact that the nutty college professor who shot all those other academics down in Alabama was a flaming leftist who worshiped Obama.
And now this. We have a conservative speaker who was merely speaking in his own voice who is being accused by the New York Times of speaking in some sort of mocking black accent. This is a complete and total fabrication, but the country's "paper of record" is running with it.
Rush Limbaugh calls the "mainstream media" the "state-controlled media." He's kidding, of course...except he's really not. Our "mainstream media" has become about as credible as Pravda or Granma. They may not be owned or controlled by the government, but apparently they don't have to be in order to know what the "party line" for the day should be.
Has it ever been this bad? I don't remember the media ever being this biased; we are now at the point where "up" is being reported as "down," and things that simply did not happen are being reported as if they did happen. Literally.
I realize there has always been some media bias. It seemed to get especially bad during the 2004 Presidential campaign. And it was very bad during the 2006 elections as well. And 2008 was the worst I'd ever seen it.
Well, until 2009.
Huge scandal involving a prominent national organization with ties to the President that includes pimps, hoes, lies, tax fraud, and underage illegal immigrant girls, all caught on tape? Most of the media refused to report on it for days, if at all.
Huge scandal involving hacked emails that show leading climate scientists gaming the peer review process, conspiring against other scientists, hiding data, homogenizing data, "losing" raw data, and trying to manipulate the data in order to arrive at a predetermined conclusion, all while world leaders are meeting at a conference that could have led to the transfer of trillions of dollars of wealth and the creation of a massive international regulatory regime? (Whew.) Most of the media have made the barest mention of it, and only then to dismiss it as much ado about nothing by a handful of anti-science kooks.
And then of course there was the Rush Limbaugh-St. Louis Rams story, where a guy who is referred to by the media as a "civil rights activist" but who is actually a racist (Al Sharpton) accused a non-racist (Rush Limbaugh) of being a racist using completely fabricated quotes as "evidence." These quotes were then spread all over the news without the slightest bit of fact-checking.
But now, today, in 2010, I believe it's gotten even worse than that. And I don't think there is any going back for these "mainstream media" institutions. They spend more time spinning events 180 degrees, burying legitimate (even major) news stories, and creating "stories"out of thin air than they do actual real journalism.
I know it, you know it, and millions of Americans know it. But the frightening thing is, millions more don't know it. They honestly believe everything they read in the newspaper or see on TV. And they vote. And that worries me, not just for 2010, but for the future of the republic.
Posted by: RJ at February 19, 2010 09:01 PM (ADbI4)
Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 09:11 PM (p302b)
Jason seems like a honest, happy warrior and Breitbart is absolutely right - fuck the cocktails. Kate Zernike is a racist.
Posted by: motionview at February 19, 2010 09:21 PM (nORTd)
Posted by: Fresh Air at February 19, 2010 09:22 PM (5eTMk)
Posted by: TexasJew at February 19, 2010 09:23 PM (dcKUM)
Posted by: motionview at February 19, 2010 09:26 PM (nORTd)
Posted by: Berserker at February 19, 2010 09:29 PM (gWHrG)
Posted by: curious at February 19, 2010 09:29 PM (p302b)
Posted by: And You? at February 19, 2010 09:41 PM (d7Px0)
MATT DAMON...read the actuary tables!!
Posted by: dananjcon at February 19, 2010 09:42 PM (RFabE)
It's odd that this woman identifies an accent (here, a Brooklyn accent) as "black."
Black Irish, Ace. Black Irish.
BTW, I could have sworn I heard her say, "He then mocked what he described, with a Chris Rock voice, as 'diversity', including, he said, college classes on 'cyber feminism' and 'what it means to be a feminist new black man, spud fucker'.”
Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 09:42 PM (2qU2d)
OT - saw a piece about the Nisei (Japanese-American) internment in WW II over at Big Government, and cut loose with a rant. But those pussies don't like long comments, so I figured that here, Teh Home of teh Whopper, would be the next best place.
..............................
I think holding the past to the standards of today is stupid and accomplishes nothing. We would learn more by trying to fully understand what the mindset and circumstances were that made such actions seem acceptable at the time, and whether those were in any way based on reality. With respect to the relocation of people of Japanese ancestry, there are a few facts that are seldom if ever mentioned. One fact is that there were actual spies and collaborators among the Japanese in the US, even among citizens. This in no way should be taken as saying that most or even a significant minority of Nisei were disloyal, only that it did actually occur, and in more than a trivial few instances.
Another is one that I have never before heard mentioned. By way of introduction, I will mention that one of the most infamous of these relocations and internments was of the Nisei from Bainbridge Island, Washington. This event has often been cited as the most egregious example, because of the fact that this community was long established among the founders there. But there is something that most Americans do not know that serves to put this act in perspective - not justify it, mind you, but to lend it a context in which it becomes somewhat understandable. Bear with me.
The date of the US victory over Japan at the battle of Midway, widely accepted as the early turning point of the Pacific war, was June 4, 1942. That is just slightly less that 6 months after Pearl Harbor. 6 months. Let that sink in a little bit.
Less than 6 months after Pearl Harbor, a force of 2 US carriers and relatively few other US warships went up against a force of 4 Japanese carriers and a large contingent of front-line Japanese battleships (the US had relatively few battleships that had not been eliminated at Pearl Harbor). Of the 6 carriers that entered the battle, only one came away to fight again - an American one. The other 5 lay on the floor of the Pacific to this day. Of the hundreds of Japanese planes and pilots who entered the battle, essentially none survived to fight again - there was no place for the Japanese planes to land, even if they were not shot down, and the pilots killed. Less than 6 months after the Japanese used the carrier strike force weapon for the first time in warfare to deal a stunning blow to the US, we used a much smaller force to annihilate an even larger carrier force of theirs. How did that happen?
To cut to the chase, we broke the Japanese naval codes and knew exactly what they were doing, and when, and where. We could use our smaller force with precision, as if we were in a night-time knife-fight with our enemy, but we were wearing night-vision goggles. This was the amazing super-secret of the early Pacific war, and it is no exaggeration to suggest that it may have saved the lives of millions by shortening the war, if not making the difference in winning it, instead of settling for a "peace" treaty. This sort of changed history, you know?
How was this intelligence breakthrough accomplished? Well, there were two installations on the west coast of the US that were central to the effort. One was a huge radio reception facility that could listen to extremely weak signals that originated from clear across the Pacific, and thus could follow the course of the Japanese strike against Midway from the time it left port in Japan. In the days before transistors, this was a technological tour de force. The other was a code-breaking school and working facility that could read the messages that were intercepted, and feed the manpower into the task of decoding the ever-increasing flow of traffic. This was before computers - if it was a logical operation, it was performed by a man or woman working their butts off. (The word "computer" originally referred to a person, by the way.)
And in the days before high-bandwidth communications, the only practical way to rapidly process the torrent of intelligence that could be intercepted, was to locate the interception and analysis facilities in physical proximity to each other.
But that represented a great risk - if their existence became known to the Japanese, the possibility that we could be reading their naval codes might be deduced, and the codes would be changed - terminating our capability to read the minds of our enemy for months of not years. And even though we now know that it (probably) was beyond their ability, in those days it was far from obvious that the Japanese could not mount an attack against these conveniently close-by installations.
If you are wondering where these ultra-secret installations that let us bloody the enemy's nose only 6 months into the war were actually located, I recommend you not give up your day job to become an amateur Sherlock Holmes!
You should have guessed the truth by now. These crown jewels of the American intelligence capability in the Pacific were BOTH located within a few miles of each other... on Bainbridge Island, Washington. Yes.
Think about THAT, all you military geniuses who also just happen to be paragons of morality.
ps. Bainbridge Island is a bit smaller than the island of Manhattan, so don't spout off about "hiding" anything like a king-sized radio-intercept antenna farm, or a code-breaking school, in what was basically a rural farming community.
Posted by: sherlock at February 19, 2010 09:46 PM (ktKOD)
Now it can finally be revealed: Kate Zernike is actually Amy Bishop's homlier and less vivacious little sister.
Too bad Kate wasn't a child prodigy, violinist then so we wouldn't have to be having this online conversation now.
Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 09:53 PM (2qU2d)
Posted by: moi at February 19, 2010 10:02 PM (7FgWm)
She thinks "smoking crack" is similar to "brownbagging."
Posted by: FUBAR at February 19, 2010 10:08 PM (1fanL)
Posted by: Private Joker at February 19, 2010 10:10 PM (1fanL)
Too bad Kate wasn't a child prodigy, violinist then so we wouldn't have to be having this online conversation now.
That stray comma threw me for a while, but I get your drift now. Yeah, too bad they weren't both child prodigies - in the art of dueling pistols at dawn. Okay, 12-gauges, just to make sure.
Posted by: sherlock at February 19, 2010 10:16 PM (ktKOD)
Okay, 12-gauges, just to make sure.
After you've test fired them into the ceiling and walls a couple of times. (And you think I should have used a hyphen?)
Posted by: andycanuck at February 19, 2010 10:37 PM (2qU2d)
Posted by: 29Victor at February 19, 2010 10:40 PM (HaMuw)
Hilarious. These types that push multiculturalism aren't even familiar with a culture right across the river from them. They probably think of themselves as "the world's newspaper", but they don't even know what's going on virtually next door.
The really pathetic part, though, is that they REALLY BELIEVE that the folks on the other side from them don't worship Obama because they're racist. This is a sort of denial is motivated by their difficulty in actually dealing with arguments from their opposition when they don't have a leg to stand on. If they dismiss the other side with the "racist" ad hominem, then they absolve themselves of feeling any obligation to actually defend their own stance. This is important for them, since they have a heavy emotional investment in numerous hopelessly-flawed marxist schemes that their elitism has drawn them into.
Hence they must find a way to see what they desperately NEED to see - whether it really exists or not, and nonsense like this is the logical result.
Posted by: Optimizer at February 19, 2010 10:43 PM (JC+x3)
Posted by: DRH at February 19, 2010 10:55 PM (erkX9)
If I had more patience, I would have found something from the Sopranos... but I think the case has been made.
Posted by: DRH at February 19, 2010 11:23 PM (erkX9)
Posted by: Maxim Cockimus at February 19, 2010 11:35 PM (Qc93O)
It might surprise hipsters to learn that some people actually grew up in places like Brooklyn - without any particular sense of mockery of blue collar people or sense of malignant irony.
Before adult dodgeball leagues, actual children used to inhabit places like Bushwick, and learned to speak from their non-gay parents.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 20, 2010 12:16 AM (XASus)
Posted by: wherestherum at February 20, 2010 12:27 AM (gofDd)
To paraphrase what arch conservative Barry Goldwater once said, if you're under 30 and you're not a liberal, you don't have a heart, and if you're over 30 and you're not a conservative, you don't have a brain.
Let the youth have their idealism. It's like letting children have their childhood. Stop trying to force them to grow up for your own selfish and self-serving reasons. Life is too short. Let them enjoy a carefree life while they can.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 12:46 AM (ITzbJ)
@#111-
The "old-media" is still the same...I say no change from the past. The difference (IMO) is that they have opposition with the disinfectant of truth by the new media and real journalists (yes. Ace, the bloggers here he entrusts and the growing list of new-media allies) that are threatening to push them all the way off the cliff-- Hence the noticing of more and more of the lies being exposed on a daily/hourly/minute-by-minute basis.
I am old enough to remember the lies spewed forth from Cronkrite about the Tet Offensive. At the time there was no opposition news source or commentary easily accessible and I (and a vast majority) had no clue of the depravity of the man nor the legion of minions that brainwashed Americans to push forth their self-serving interpretation of news that slanted left. They just didn't have to repeat the lies as often as they do today. Fast forward through the decades and one can (with perfect hindsight) see the rubble of their "journalistic" propaganda machine that steamrolled whatever opposed it. It remains as their sycophantic legacy for all to see...only if the individual has found the sources for truth.
Fortunately, people like Ace and all those that contribute in the battle of ideas continue to grow and gain strength. And he gives us morons a chance to actually vent out our frustrations and have a voice (something that we don't have via the old-media). And while I still get so pissed-off-I-can't-fucking-stand-it at the power and influence that the old-media still wields over a huge block of the populace; there is no denying it has diminished and will continue losing ground (just not fast enough).
With all that said--It's still a battle. They (the leftist media) and their destructive, rancid, vile, shit-eating, self-loathing, lying, condescending, arrogant, lying, elitist and did I mention lying assholes ain't going to go away.
We do have a fighting chance. We have garnered recent victories. It will be a continuous fight. I'm in (as are many more morons) and more will be joining for the duration.
Bring me Valu-Rite and a 7-iron, God-Damnit !!!...
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Posted by: Overnite With Uncle Jed at February 20, 2010 01:25 AM (eKgqT)
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 01:31 AM (ITzbJ)
Churchill said this....
Oh well, I figured that it was either Goldwater or Churchill or Confucious or Shakespeare or one of those guys. I get them confused.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 01:35 AM (ITzbJ)
I can speak with a black accent when I want to, it's true, don't believe me, just axe my homey Harry.
OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-
Posted by: Barry Soetoro (D-King OF The World!!) at February 20, 2010 01:47 AM (YdQUn)
Posted by: pep at February 19, 2010 10:22 PM (0K3p3)
You know who else talked like a racist?
Bugs Bunny, that's who.
Posted by: NewYorkTimes at February 20, 2010 01:48 AM (jpf1B)
Posted by: Bugs Bunny at February 20, 2010 02:01 AM (F9nbF)
Kate has obviously never hung out in Brooklyn.... dumb bitch.
Granted that we don't speak the Kings English here... but don't mistake a classic Brooklyn accent with Brooklyn black speak... two completley different dialects..... she'a a fucking idiot... just ignore her
Posted by: Last Conservative In Brooklyn at February 20, 2010 02:04 AM (7uAeI)
Posted by: Andrew Dice Clay at February 20, 2010 02:05 AM (SwkdU)
The newspapers started the Spanish-American War (look up "yellow journalism"), I have heard on a bet, so yes it's been this bad before. The difference is that now we have teh interwebz and the "New Media" so we are better able to locate their bullshit.
Of course the answer of the "Old Media" and the enlightened liberals is to limit the internet and the New Media. But of course, (according to them) totalitarianism is a rightist trait.
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at February 20, 2010 02:07 AM (jpf1B)
Posted by: Josef Stalin at February 20, 2010 02:13 AM (SwkdU)
Not very dictatorial of him.
Not saying he wasn't a bastard. I'm sure that he was. He just wasn't very dictatorial, at least at the end. Dictators don't generally voluntarily give up power.
Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at February 20, 2010 02:18 AM (jpf1B)
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 02:20 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 02:51 AM (ITzbJ)
153.........
Good thing it was whole wheat bread, because if it where white, well, it'd be racist!!
OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012'
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It's never too early to campaign-
Posted by: Barry Soetoro (D-King OF The World!!) at February 20, 2010 03:00 AM (YdQUn)
I was watching CNN (Fox had O'Reily on) while eating breakfast. They were doing a piece on some one horse TX town where doctors had turned it into a "medical cash cow". The fawining ball licking could not have been more obvious. Well I guess it could if they had said the doctors were cutting off feet and removing tonsils.
In any case you could tell they were pushing for Bambi's nationalizatin of the healthcare industry. It made me wonder, what did tyhey have to say about Bush's socialist prescription drug program? So off to Bing we go.
So how did they write it up? Before it was signed into law their coverage was largely centered around what critics had to say. Conservaitve critics? Hell no. Dem critics who said that it was nothing more than a subsidy for big pharma and that it cost too much (at the same time they said it didn't go far enough). After it was signed into law the refrain was that it cost too much and didn't go far enough.
So here we go. It should be obvious where this is going with the media. They didn't like Bush's socialist program because it was Bush's. They love OBambi's communist program though. This should be a big wakeup call to the RINOs and RINO backers who think that the Rs can win over the media by backing Dem-Lite bullshit. Even when Rs back socialist programs the media hates the Rs. You can win because the media are Dems first and socialists second.
Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2010 03:20 AM (QrA9E)
Dick Cheney said that Obama will be a one-term president.
How about we make Obama a half term president before he gets us killed?
Obama and Holder would be happier taking a minstrel show on the road anyway.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 03:20 AM (ITzbJ)
Do they really want the charge of racism to have no meaning whatsoever? Pathetic!
Posted by: Mark at February 20, 2010 03:20 AM (3xWRF)
Posted by: Ian S. at February 20, 2010 03:22 AM (pg/HS)
Kate Zernike is a good leftwing robot doing what she was programmed to do: advance the left wing agenda.
As a NYT writer she is in the position to use political correctness as a weapon to divide the right wing. This charge of racism only has traction because we allow it. The same goes for the 'gay' nonsense, as well.
It's just a ploy to divide our side. And it's working. Just look at the silly argument about DADT. We should even be discussing such a trivial matter, yet we are, and some of us are actually treating it like a serious issue.
Posted by: This Sees Dead People at February 20, 2010 03:28 AM (Frffg)
Who is treating it like a serious issue? Not moi.
Other than the whiz kids who post here, probably everybody else is ignoring it.
C'mon give people enough credit to recognize that the woman is a crank.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 03:34 AM (ITzbJ)
Do they really want the charge of racism to have no meaning whatsoever? Pathetic!
The charge of "racism" lost all meaning when Sharpton and Jessie got to be race mongers. What kills me is the fact that the media scrambles to throw them up on the screen everytime some "racial" incident occurs. All the blacks I know and who I have seen posting on the net disavaow both of these clowns yet the media still think they represent the "black community".
Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2010 03:35 AM (QrA9E)
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 03:48 AM (ITzbJ)
They still are unsure why there are no jobs for them, but now know what unemployed means ... no iPod, no iPod tunes, no cell phone, a cheapo computer and having to live with mother. It's sad to see the young so wasted, and they not to be able to find the demon to blame.
Posted by: bill-tb at February 20, 2010 03:57 AM (y+QfZ)
The other thing that never gets covered is that there were also WWII internment camps for Germans (and don't get me started on what that proto-fascist Woodrow Wilson did to Germans and German-Americans in WWI, I can go on all day). Because that really hammers home the truth that it was about being in a state of "total war" and didn't have a thing to do with race--exactly the opposite lesson the education establishment wants kids to come away with.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2010 04:01 AM (OkT2m)
They represent the "black community" for all the white liberals who run the media. They know that Jesse will come on and be predictable, advance the Left's agenda, and that's why he's their favorite Spokesperson of Color.
Posted by: nickless at February 20, 2010 04:01 AM (MMC8r)
Now that we've cracked the black ceiling with Obama, how about we crack the geriatrics ceiling with McCain running against Carter in 2012?
You want world-wide peace?. That race will put the whole planet into a coma.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 04:03 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2010 04:08 AM (OkT2m)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2010 04:12 AM (ucxC/)
25 alexthechick
Reading the comments to that story is fascinating. There truly are two separate universes of political belief and ne'er the two shall meet.
Dealing with some of these progressive types is like dealing with paranoids-- nothing shifts them. Any contrary evidence just feeds into their delusions.
Posted by: Golem14 (Tea Party leader and ex-B'vooklynite) at February 20, 2010 04:14 AM (2X8VA)
Posted by: A Casual Observation's precocious son at February 20, 2010 04:18 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2010 04:29 AM (ucxC/)
Just spoof'n you, phoenix girl.
But hey, when he and his mommy get back from taking our dogs for a run, I will have my son get back to you with answers to your questions. He's the mad scientist in this family.
Posted by: A Casual Observation at February 20, 2010 04:37 AM (ITzbJ)
Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at February 20, 2010 04:50 AM (pZEar)
Posted by: fluffy orders a coke, unopened at February 20, 2010 04:52 AM (4Kl5M)
I come from the South, and often Southern accents are considered "black" even though in most communities down there, both blacks and whites speak with the same accent.
It gets to be hilarious sometimes with these parochial Manhattanites. They think they're so cosmopolitan, but they know little of the world beyond that door the doorman is so nicely holding open for them. When I moved to NYC, the ignorance on the part of those who grew up in the NYC metro area appalled me, and I had a great deal of fun bitching about all these damn yankees to their faces.
I still do it. It's so much fun.
Posted by: meep at February 20, 2010 05:01 AM (RAoUK)
And when I say these accents are considered "black", I mean by yankees.
But that kind of makes sense to the extent that Southern blacks moved up North [with their accents], and on the whole the white folks stayed put [til the yankees started moving in, thus the reverse invasion on my, and others', parts.]
Posted by: meep at February 20, 2010 05:02 AM (RAoUK)
Breathtakingly dishonest.
heh: "You don't know the half of it."
Like I said, she's just a robot doing what she's been programmed to do.
Posted by: This Sees Dead People at February 20, 2010 05:06 AM (Frffg)
Hothouse flowers these reporters are, so sheltered and protected.
Kate's idea of multiculturalism is casting her vote for the first historic (half)Black president, then going to dinner in Chinatown.
These self-important bastids could not survive the urban jungle if they had their own security detail of battle hardened Marines (or even just one Epic Beard Guy).
Posted by: kallisto at February 20, 2010 05:19 AM (+FkcS)
Well, he does have a name that ends in a vowel -- and you know those Eye-talyuns are really darkies with a light complexion. I mean, you know, they aren't really white-white.
(yeah, I'm being sarcastic -- freaking, pinkie scrunt, bet she thinks "Jersey Shore" is just a scream and gets the flop sweat if she sees Black people eating fried chicken).
Posted by: unknown jane at February 20, 2010 05:53 AM (5/yRG)
Dear Heatherradish - thanks - I believe Michelle Malkin has analyzed the internment issue at length in her 2004 book "In Defense of Internment", although I don't know if she made the Midway connection, because I haven't read that one. As you can imagine, she caught a lot of grief for it, from all the kind of people who taught you in highschool, so it is probably worth a read.
Dear USS Hornet, - not chopped liver, but a kick-ass warship whose name I could not recall last night and was too damn lazy to look up. I remembered Yorktown, but that was the one that sadly didn't get away. Of course the piece was not so much about the battle but the fact that it could have been won 6 months after Pearl. Anyway, sorry, and I hope your back finally recovered from those damn B-25s.
Posted by: sherlock at February 20, 2010 06:03 AM (ktKOD)
unknown jane-
that's what's so hilarious about these so called educated elite journalists - they are ignorant of the history of the bigotry they claim to abhor. When the first wave of Italians arrived on these shores in the late 1800s, they WERE associated with the "Negro" culture, and consequently experienced discrimination. This NYT Katie clown has just closed the circle on Italo-American/Negro preudice as practiced by the Man. (or in this case, the Womyn).
FWIW I'm first generation American, my parents were born in Italy, and I used to call my mother "My Black Mama". After some of my friends of color met her, they agreed with me, she definitely projected the Black Experience. Even so, she cooked a mean lasagna.
Posted by: kallisto at February 20, 2010 06:06 AM (+FkcS)
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Posted by: Mikey NTH at February 20, 2010 06:39 AM (gzjX3)
Preach it Kallisto -- my dad's parents were Italian immigrants; suffered a fair bit of discrimination -- Dad had a bit of a chip on his shoulder. Cooking mofos though (and my mom is a miscegenated hickbilly of many different bloodlines -- lots of discrimination, cooking mofos). I know what it's like to be "white" and be treated "black" or at least "not quite white" (although I ascribe to the paint chip school of racial/ethnic identity)...I also got firsthand cooking instruction in a multitude of regional/ethnic cuisines (fried chicken or BBQ pork on Sunday, homemade ravoli on Monday, mac and cheese/red beans and rice with greens and deer sausage through the week, saurbraten on Friday, dim sum on Saturday).
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Posted by: unknown jane at February 20, 2010 06:40 AM (5/yRG)
Posted by: Typical New Yorker at February 20, 2010 06:48 AM (BGpfF)
Zernicke is such a tool. I'm glad Breitbart called her out. She is one of the worst of a bad lot of so-called reporters at the NYT, which has actually become nothing but an affirmative-action dumping ground for homosexual writers who can't get jobs anywhere else. All they see is racism, homophobia, and bigotry everywhere.
Somebody once said that if you think everyone in the room is an asshole, YOU are probably the asshole. That's what I think about Zernicke and everyone else at the NYT.
Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2010 07:33 AM (w/gVZ)
Posted by: USS Enterprise at February 20, 2010 08:20 AM (WOYJU)
Its the same thing as being accused of being a felon for having unreported income from accepting oil company money to oppose the AGW fraud. Remember the foot or fist blow should be carried through the blow and deep into the body.
Posted by: snookered at February 20, 2010 09:00 AM (7Vg6Y)
I guess he talks like one of those darkies Kate Zernicke has seen on the subway in movies sometimes.
FIFY.
Posted by: evil libertarian at February 20, 2010 09:20 AM (W6gtk)
Yeah, but they usually end up depositing them in the drive-through braille ATM.
Posted by: Phil Smith at February 20, 2010 09:42 AM (KxNJJ)
Gaia, grant me the serenity to accept that libs are fucktards; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to keep calling them fucktards.
Posted by: Antimatter at February 20, 2010 10:50 AM (gbCNS)
Just finished watching George Will's CPAC speech; excellence as usual. He may be tainted occasionally because he works in the DC viper's nest, but he's brilliant, and occasions like his CPAC speech allow it to shine through.
Newsbusters has it embedded.
Posted by: random at February 20, 2010 10:56 AM (hoLvU)
Posted by: curious at February 20, 2010 11:15 AM (p302b)
No.
Posted by: Typical New Yorker
It's true, those B&T savages might as well be from goddamn New Jersey.
Posted by: Hidden Imam at February 20, 2010 11:16 AM (9fjyr)
Posted by: PKO Strany at February 20, 2010 11:17 AM (1rQWu)
"Negro dialiect"? Fuckin' lefties are so desperate they carry around a whole deck of race cards to throw, just in case. No wonder the NYT is in dire financial straights. No one outside of the leftwingnut moron demographic can really appreciate the vacuous stupidity.
Posted by: SFC MAC at February 20, 2010 11:18 AM (/9h7Q)
Posted by: curious at February 20, 2010 11:18 AM (p302b)
Pretty conservative out in Borough park too
Or Orthodox?
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Hasidic
Posted by: curious at February 20, 2010 11:20 AM (p302b)
Posted by: Johnny I at February 20, 2010 11:24 AM (v77ig)
Giving the benefit of a huge doubt to Zernike here:
At about 3:27, the words "wide variety" come out a little different. His speech cadence makes "wide" and the second syllable of "variety" stretch longer, giving them a classical accent (duration) in addition to the modern accent (volume). That these two syllables use the same vowel sound make it come across as "black," and that his voice cracked a little bit at that point leads her to Chris Rock.
But seriously, I found that because I listened for it -- four times -- trying to find a Chris Rock voice. If he was trying to be racially whatever, he would have matched his "voice" to the words, somehow. That (assuming there is a "that")was hardly deliberate.
Either Kate Zernike is very sensitive to this sort of thing (again, benefit of a big doubt) or she badly wanted to notice something.
Posted by: FireHorse at February 20, 2010 02:20 PM (cQyWA)
Um, I just reread my own comment, #209, and it comes across like I might be agreeing with Kate. I'm not. And the claim
He then mocked what he described, with a Chris Rock voice, as “diversity,” ...
is a huge stretch. Impossibly huge.
(But then, you wouldn't know that if you're just reading words on a newspaper. And even with accompanying audio, a lot of people will still believe it if it's in that newspaper.)
Posted by: FireHorse at February 20, 2010 02:35 PM (cQyWA)
It gets to be hilarious sometimes with these parochial Manhattanites. They think they're so cosmopolitan, but they know little of the world beyond that door the doorman is so nicely holding open for them. When I moved to NYC, the ignorance on the part of those who grew up in the NYC metro area appalled me, and I had a great deal of fun bitching about all these damn yankees to their faces.
I still do it. It's so much fun.
Posted by: meep at February 20, 2010 09:01 AM (RAoUK)
I grew up and now live in NJ, but I did live in Manhattan briefly. I agree with you. As a whole, there are no group of people as sheltered and as provincial and as parochial as Manhattan liberals. It is staggering to hear the shit they say.
Posted by: sean at February 20, 2010 02:55 PM (sHxOn)
You're probably spot on about the projection. I see that a lot in the most rabid "liberal" activists: misogynistic chauvinists who try to preach feminism and hateful racists claiming to be "colorblind." Pretty messed up...
Posted by: Bob at February 20, 2010 02:57 PM (4P1T+)
Posted by: curious at February 20, 2010 03:45 PM (p302b)
you are right. if more people really realized how snobbish and snooty the ivy league elites often are they would never vote for one of these a**holes. they have nothing but disdain for anyone who isn't part of their "sect." personally, i can't stand them, and some of them are down right stupid. i've met people with ivy league educations who don't know what mitochondrial dna is, and who have never heard of plato's allegory of the cave. i've met ivy league people who use the word "good" when they should use the word "well," but of course they look down on anyone who didn't go the "right school." screw these people. many of them are nasty, not nice, and morally bankrupt. of the few that are decent, they usually are the first to point what jerks thier peers are.
...and why is it that "they" hate sarah palin (they are the source of the palin derangement)? oh yeah, because she came from humble roots, didn't go to the "right schools," yet rose to the ranks of a governor - which is more then some of these morons have done, or could have done without mommy and daddy's connections and a diploma from exeter.
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Posted by: DANEgerus at February 20, 2010 08:01 PM (LMi2C)
And why is it that "they" hate Sarah Palin?
I've been asking myself that a lot lately. It's beyond Bush derangement; it's more like the hatred of Joe McCarthy hate or of Richard Nixon. As governor, she acted more liberal than a lot of liberals on liberal issues (e.g., gay rights and abortion rights) with two exceptions: She advocated fiscal restraint and she's an enemy of the corrupt.
Sarah Palin's enemies are corrupt politicians who want governments' treasuries to be as bloated as possible so they can steal from it.
Palin is an obstacle to this way of life. That's why she's so "scary."
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