July 01, 2010

Orin Hatch: Filibustering The Lying Nominee Kagan Would Be "Dirty"
— Ace

Have you ever felt as if you've been cheated?

Posted by: Ace at 12:01 PM | Comments (120)
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1 Please roll in the mud for us.  The Constitution demands that you do!

Posted by: Truman North at July 01, 2010 12:02 PM (e8YaH)

2 Vote everybody the fuck out of Congress.  EVERYONE.

Posted by: He who eyes have been damaged by Kagan's visage at July 01, 2010 12:03 PM (gLNLT)

3

thank you gop, you big bunch of pussies..........it's clear you have no standards.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 01, 2010 12:04 PM (rr5XB)

4

Well you're not getting an apology outta me for this.

Posted by: Rep Joe Barton (R-Coventry) at July 01, 2010 12:05 PM (R2fpr)

5

Hatch Says Kagan Filibuster Would Be “An Unheard Of, Dirty Thing To Do”…

Kinda like being Borked??

Friggin asshat!

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 01, 2010 12:05 PM (pr+up)

6 maybe orin could write elena a love song

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 01, 2010 12:05 PM (rr5XB)

7 This is what happens when you being a bunch of GOP Senators to a knife fight.

Posted by: brak at July 01, 2010 12:06 PM (W5NBA)

8

I don't care about 2012 anymore.  The test is 2010.

If our 'replacements' from this November show different colors, we need a new plan.

Posted by: DarkLordOfTheIntarWebs at July 01, 2010 12:06 PM (ps0+9)

9
These shitbags have no repsect for us and they have no interest in becoming the majority.

Newt had his faults, but at least he had ambition. This current crew of Republicans in Congress suck. And they stink. And they suck.

Posted by: i like chunks at July 01, 2010 12:06 PM (uFokq)

10

THE HILL

A Republican filibuster of Elena Kagan would be "an unheard of, dirty thing to do," Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said Thursday.

Hatch, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told ABC News's "Topline" today that his party won't prevent an up-or-down vote on Obama's SCOTUS nominee.

"Republicans aren't going to filibuster her," he said.

The ranking member of the committee, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), said last weekend that a filibuster of Kagan was "conceivable" depending on how this week's hearings went.


Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 12:06 PM (H+LJc)

11 Orin Hatch = pussy

Posted by: newrouter at July 01, 2010 12:07 PM (bEZJ+)

12 you know what's dirtier than filibustering kagan?  keeping idiots like hatch, mccain and graham in the senate

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 01, 2010 12:07 PM (rr5XB)

13 What the fuck is Utah doing being one of the reddest states in the union and then sending in fuckfaced fucktards like orrin hatch who's too busy licking the shiny manballs of Kagan to realize that fucking walrus has not told one iota of truth since she opened her mouth???

Goddamned motherfucking cocksucking sons of bitches...

Posted by: He who eyes have been damaged by Kagan's visage at July 01, 2010 12:07 PM (gLNLT)

14

RINOs are going to be in season soon enough.

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 01, 2010 12:07 PM (fx8sm)

15

This is why Republicans are losers. Nice guys finish last. Funny, they never learned this, and it is their Achilles heel. Politically, they are appeasers.

Posted by: mbabbitt at July 01, 2010 12:08 PM (p/jtE)

16 No no, we mustn't engage in partisan politics. That wouldn't be cricket. Harrumph harrumph.

Posted by: joncelli at July 01, 2010 12:08 PM (RD7QR)

17 Not a single testicle among them.  Not even one. 

Posted by: Insomniac at July 01, 2010 12:08 PM (DrWcr)

18

So the Dems have no rules and or side has no balls.

 

 

Posted by: Bannor at July 01, 2010 12:08 PM (6AXh/)

19

So... its OK to put someone in who will disregard the Constitution as a Supreme, becasue it would be dirty?

Or is it because (as I beleive) Kagan told them she would bow to the will of the Legislature?

Lets see... if you give me this job, I'll let you break the rules (Constitution) that it is my JOB to stop you from breaking....

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 01, 2010 12:09 PM (77Zbc)

20 Um, wow.

I was against filibustering her because I didn't think they had enough on her and it wouldn't come close to winning.

I think they have enough to filibuster her now but not a narrative to sell it to a mostly disinterested public. There's a lot of disconnected things in her testimony that add up to a nominee who isn't qualified, is a radical and lied under oath. The problem is there's no attention being paid to what happen.

To beat a SCOTUS nominee you need to build up the pressure and public opposition over time, death by a thousand cuts with a big punch to end it. There's just nothing like that here.

On a practical level, they won't win it and making impotent threats is never a good idea.

But to say it would be 'dirty' and 'unheard' of is just asinine. It smacks of giving up on the next one long before it happens.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 01, 2010 12:10 PM (X/Lqh)

21 "side has no balls."

sure they do but there in hatch's mouth

Posted by: newrouter at July 01, 2010 12:10 PM (bEZJ+)

22 Orrin Hatch is a lawyer.

He's just protecting one of his own.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 01, 2010 12:10 PM (T0NGe)

23

At least we got Ace to give us a sweet Sex Pistols / Cow Palace / Last Concert reference.

 

Thank God Orrin Hatch was born in Mexico.  We won't have to worry about him being Preznit!

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 12:11 PM (cFGyS)

24 the gop are not "nice guys"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 01, 2010 12:11 PM (rr5XB)

25 13 What the fuck is Utah doing being one of the reddest states in the union and then sending in fuckfaced fucktards like orrin hatch who's too busy licking the shiny manballs of Kagan to realize that fucking walrus has not told one iota of truth since she opened her mouth???

They took care of one of the two just a few months ago.

Posted by: AmishDude at July 01, 2010 12:11 PM (T0NGe)

26

and where the hell is michael steele?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 01, 2010 12:11 PM (rr5XB)

27 Dirty: Filibustering an authoritarian.

clean: Having authoritarians run our lives for us.

Posted by: lorien1973 at July 01, 2010 12:11 PM (IhQuA)

28 ELECTIONS MATTER!

Unless Republicans win them. They don't do opposition-type stuff when they're in the minority, and they don't do conservative-type stuff when they're in the majority.

(And the quote is "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?")

Posted by: oblig. at July 01, 2010 12:12 PM (x7Ao8)

29 But to say it would be 'dirty' and 'unheard' of is just asinine. It smacks of giving up on the next one long before it happens.

But but but the Dems would never ever ever do that to a Republican nominee!  Because it's dirty!  Feel the logic!

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's time I get back to my new hobby of drinking turpentine. 

Posted by: alexthechick at July 01, 2010 12:12 PM (8WZWv)

30 I think Rush mentioned today that they ought to do a temporaray Fillibuster, at least through September to get her to be more forthcoming.  I think that would be interesting indeed, an anounced, time limited fillibuster.  Plus, it would allow time to just bash and discredit her, just for shits and giggles.

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 12:13 PM (cFGyS)

31 There's a lot of disconnected things in her testimony that add up to a nominee who isn't qualified, is a radical and lied under oath. The problem is there's no attention being paid to what happen.

But a filibuster would attract attention.  Then, the focus of the debate would be the reasons for the filibuster - lack of qualifications, radical, liar.

Posted by: angler at July 01, 2010 12:13 PM (SwjAj)

32
You would almost think that Orin is sucking Kagan's liberal cock to go along and get along? 

Posted by: Fish at July 01, 2010 12:14 PM (v1gw3)

33 Fuck em with a red hot poket wrapped in barbed wire. God I hate them so.

Posted by: Bosk at July 01, 2010 12:14 PM (pUO5u)

34 #23

Caught that too. Maybe Ace will bust into a cover of 'No Fun' by the Stooges.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at July 01, 2010 12:15 PM (HpT9p)

35

Filibustering a ghey is bigoted or something.

Filibuster for me but not for thee says the Dems!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 01, 2010 12:15 PM (pLTLS)

36 Doesn't Kagan need 1 republican vote to get her nomination out of committee and to the floor?

Posted by: Dr. Spank at July 01, 2010 12:15 PM (xO+6C)

Posted by: Dang Straights at July 01, 2010 12:15 PM (fx8sm)

38 Like I said earlier this was decided before the committee met. There was never a chance of stopping her in the committee. 6/7 Republicans on the committee are either full out RINOs or tilt that way on judicial stuff.

Grahamnasty has already said he will vote for her. Now there is someone who should have committee assignments striped.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2010 12:15 PM (6taRI)

39 I am sure every one knows standing for our soldiers is streaming live now You can link from rushs sight.

Posted by: MOE GRUNT at July 01, 2010 12:16 PM (T57ev)

40 Orrin Hatch is dirty. He's nothing but a mindless drone, promoted well above his level to a life of ease sucking on the public teat.

At election time, he plays "conservative." Stick a TV camera in his face and he's a "statesman."

Expect him to have principles and he's nothing but a ball-less squish.

He needs to go. All members of Congress need to go. So does Osama Obama, who foisted the execrable Kagan on us.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 01, 2010 12:16 PM (Ulu3i)

41

By the way, weren't the Commiecrats about to filibuster Roberts and Alito?

All I can say is, I expect every GOP Senator to vote NO. Why rubberstamp and make nice when the Demunists do not?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 01, 2010 12:16 PM (ujg0T)

42

Miss Lindsay just doesn't "get it."  We need to vote these RINO f*ckers OUT.

Graham Predicts Tea Party Movement will eventually 'die out'

“Everything I’m doing now in terms of talking about climate, talking about immigration, talking about Gitmo is completely opposite of where the Tea Party movement’s at,” Graham said....

“The problem with the Tea Party, I think it’s just unsustainable because they can never come up with a coherent vision for governing the country. It will die out.”





Posted by: Lady in Black at July 01, 2010 12:17 PM (TtHJm)

43 What is in the goddamn water in D.C.? 

How the hell does someone in his position say something like that?  To whom is he attempting to appeal?

There are a whole lot of Republican office holders who, if they were alive during the American revolution, would have been Redcoats, marching in unison down streets lined with Patriot snipers because to do otherwise wouldn't have been "nice."  Not just pussies.  Idiot pussies.

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at July 01, 2010 12:18 PM (rgJFY)

44 Can I just say I hate the formatting here at my favorite blog?  There, I said it. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at July 01, 2010 12:18 PM (TtHJm)

45 Posted by: angler at July 01, 2010 04:13 PM (SwjAj)

It doesn't work that way.

Look at Bork who was defeated and Thomas who almost was.

You have to get buy in from a lot of people leading up to and during the hearings. You can't spring it on people after the fact. They need time to accept it, to come to believe it, to put their Senators on notice.

Defeating a Supreme Court nominee is a process, not an event. It's why Ted Kennedy had a speech ready and was giving it within minutes of Reagan nominating Bork. Then there were weeks/months to support/build up that narrative (it's falsity not withstanding).

The game on Kagan and Sotomayor was lost within the first hours/days of their nomination. That's the part the Republicans have to get better at. It's harder for us because Democrats just lie about who they are and what they believe but we've got to do better at framing the debate from the opening gun.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 01, 2010 12:18 PM (X/Lqh)

46

Hey!! Way to go Orin!

friggin putz

 

Posted by: Clarence Thomas at July 01, 2010 12:19 PM (pr+up)

47

Wow, what a wonderful new smell you've discovered, Senator Hatch. Is it estrogen? No, that's not it. Could it be weakness? No, that doesn't smell quite that bad, besides, all the animals would notice first. How about, I've got it!

Spinelessness. That's it!

And please explain to us, Senator Hatch, why a country that's consistently polled center-right for several generations needs a Marxist/leftist on its Supreme Court that doesn't view the Constitution with the reverence that the majority of the country does? And why you seem to think that's a good idea?

*spit*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 01, 2010 12:19 PM (i3AsK)

48

They've got to go.  They're listening to the will of the people about as much as the Dems are, except all they do is whinge, whine and then roll over.

"Thank you, sir, may I have another?" is NOT what we want the GOP to say.  And that's all they do say.

I'm disgusted, but not surprised.  They're spineless and afraid of not seeming to be nice.

Well, Walmart loves nice greeters.  They can meet the public doing that.

(Apologies and no offense to Walmart greeters.)

Posted by: Biblio at July 01, 2010 12:20 PM (y5VNb)

49 What is in the goddamn water in D.C. law schools?

FIFY

Posted by: AmishDude at July 01, 2010 12:20 PM (T0NGe)

50 "The Republican Party is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the MFM, Inc.  Occasionally allowing them to appear in a positive light, whenever they betray their principles.(TM)"


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 01, 2010 12:21 PM (eNxMU)

51

I mean, why wouldn't we want a person on the SC that has willfully, knowingly LIED in her papers about things like LIFE?

Couldnt' have that, could we?

Posted by: Biblio at July 01, 2010 12:21 PM (y5VNb)

52

I agree with the point that elections have consequences. But I also think that the minority has an obligation to not make life easy for the majority, to keep them honest.  I know I'm harbouring sour grapes here, but can't we just goose them (the Dem nominee's) in memory of Bork and Thomas?

I'm guessing Hatch made some sort of agreement vis a vis Leahy when Alito was up for nomination.  At the very least we can bloody their noses.

Also, I would have been in favor of a liberal nominee being allowed to testify like Bork did, and dispense with this charade of a hearing and get back to the examinantion and justification of a record.  We (Repubs) would have to go first (ie, not filibuster, but vote against) such a person, so that in the future, we can nominate (on both sides) some real intellectual heavyweights with a track record.  I mean, why not reserve for the court some really genius people?

And finally, I'd rather hear Ace's cover of Holiday in the Sun.

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 12:22 PM (cFGyS)

53 What Drew M said at 46.

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at July 01, 2010 12:22 PM (rgJFY)

54 Remember what happened to Bennett a month or so ago Utah Republicans? Do the same thing to Hatch in 2 years. Thanks.

Posted by: pforeman at July 01, 2010 12:22 PM (S7Xpi)

55 23

At least we got Ace to give us a sweet Sex Pistols / Cow Palace / Last Concert reference.


I think the actual quote is "Ever have the feeling you've been cheated?"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 01, 2010 12:23 PM (eNxMU)

56 Orin Hatch always play this game, so I'm not really surprised. However, one has to wonder why more conservative members of the GOP don't speak out against this.

As for gutsy leaders within the GOP, here's one.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at July 01, 2010 12:25 PM (Yq+qN)

57 We must avoid dirty politics with judicial nominees.

Posted by: Robert Bork at July 01, 2010 12:25 PM (QoR4a)

58

 "......It will die out...."

Just like those tasty boners do when I hold them in my mouth!

Posted by: Lindsey Graham at July 01, 2010 12:25 PM (yICYQ)

59

The pubic, er .. public ... will not tolerate any perceived dirtiness in these hearings.

To do so would be to open up a Coke can of worms.

 

Posted by: Clarence Thomas at July 01, 2010 12:26 PM (QoR4a)

60 Remove any spineless republicans this November as well.

Posted by: Bullets&Beer at July 01, 2010 12:27 PM (BedzM)

61 57I think the actual quote is "Ever have the feeling you've been cheated?"
 It's really "Ever get the feeling youve been cheated", and it was in San Francisco, not Texas. (Dont you hate assholes that leave these types of comments?)

Posted by: Lindsey Graham, Sex Pistols groupie at July 01, 2010 12:28 PM (yICYQ)

62

"At least we got Ace to give us a sweet Sex Pistols / Cow Palace / Last Concert reference."

I'm so embarrassed.  It was at Winterland, not the Cow Palace.

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 12:28 PM (IkAbb)

63 And Lindsey, the Cow Palace is in Frisco.  (See what I did there?)

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 12:29 PM (cFGyS)

64 The "temporary filibuster" is promoted today @ The American Spectator by Quin Hillyer, "Filibuster Filigree, Crafting a Fine Approach to the Kagan Nomination"

A Temporary Filibuster is nothing more than a feather in the hat of incumbent Republican weenies to parade back home as if "I Tried."

Hillyer's point is that waiting until September would force what's already obvious, as if it will matter more then than now. There are no so-called "moderate Democrats" who will vote against Kagan. Those so-called moderate or blue dog Democrats will THEN be defeated by their constituents next congressional election, when pigs fly.

No. Rather, filibuster until Republicans gain the majority after the November elections. Get Republican candidates on the public record committed to united Constitutional Conservatism.

DEFEAT EVERY OBAMARX AGENDA including his anti-constitutional SCOTUS nominees.

Impeach his anti-constitutional bigot of an Attorney General and his cabinet members guilty of bribes.

Repeal his Marxist legislation made law, enforce current immigration laws, protect and secure our borders, and legislate fiscal conservatism.

Don't argue that it will never happen. Rather, work to make it happen.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 12:29 PM (H+LJc)

65 Anyone still think a fresh GOP majority in the House or even the Senate will deliver us any different outcome than what we have now?

Posted by: George Orwell at July 01, 2010 12:30 PM (AZGON)

66 I'm doing a fine job of distracting you people from the permanent transformation of the nation into an ant colony.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at July 01, 2010 12:31 PM (AZGON)

67

interesting

http://tinyurl.com/35784zv

But can the indies spot the rinos??

 

Posted by: dananjcon at July 01, 2010 12:31 PM (pr+up)

68 Filibusters are unseemly in this process of traditional confirmation. Let us praise the initiative of our President and support his choices as he would ours. (hic) (smell of bourbon breath)

Posted by: Hewitt, Medved and O'Reilly at July 01, 2010 12:33 PM (AZGON)

69 John Boehner is kinda-sorta ticked at Obama:
http://tinyurl.com/3xa5so6

Yeah, John, but what are you going to do about it?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at July 01, 2010 12:37 PM (Yq+qN)

70 The game on Kagan and Sotomayor was lost within the first hours/days of their nomination. That's the part the Republicans have to get better at. It's harder for us because Democrats just lie about who they are and what they believe but we've got to do better at framing the debate from the opening gun.
Posted by: DrewM.

How difficult is framing the legitimacy of constitutional conservancy in the SCOTUS?

The difficulty that incumbent, established Republican legislators have with presenting a loyal opposition to Obama is that they do not identify themselves as conservatives who truly believe in the US Constitution which, coincidentally, they have SWORN to uphold.


Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 12:39 PM (H+LJc)

71

Hi, Devil's Advocate here again.

First off, it's unlikely they have the 60 votes for a filibuster.  You'd need every single Republican Senator to go along with it, including the Maine sisterhood and Graham.  Anyone really think that would happen?

Secondly, even in the unlikely event she were successfully filibustered, does anyone here really think that Obama would relent and nominate a nominee that would be more palatable to our side?

Thirdly, what's the political result?  Long term, it sets a precedent that would be used by the Dems for every conservative SC nominee appointed by a future Republican president.  Short term, a failed filibuster only gives Obama a "win", with an unlikely successful filibuster not really gaining us anything.

About the only thing that can be done is expose enough dirt on her to make her a political liability.  Probably won't happen, as the MFM will gladly provide cover.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 01, 2010 12:40 PM (plsiE)

72 Hollowpoint has the unpleasant facts spot on. That said, where is the "Counter-Borking", or at least the Lani Guiniering? Where are the solid NO votes among all GOP senators?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 01, 2010 12:42 PM (ujg0T)

73 Don't the Republicans understand that when they stand up to Barry like on health care, their popularity increases? Hell, even yahoo is running a story that Independents are abandoning the Dem party because Barry is far too left wing. Are they afraid the NY Times (which no one reads to begin with) will write a nasty story on them?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at July 01, 2010 12:45 PM (1Jaio)

74

But a filibuster would attract attention.  Then, the focus of the debate would be the reasons for the filibuster - lack of qualifications, radical, liar. evil, sexist, mean-spirited Republicans

 

FIFY

Posted by: Truman North at July 01, 2010 12:45 PM (e8YaH)

75 Republican neoconservatives are advancing Obama's SCOTUS nominees because his Afghan War is still going on, despite violent terrorism advancing into the American interior from the Mexican border.

You'd THINK that Utah wouldn't remain mentally insulated with the expectation that illegal aliens aren't going to settle amongst Mormons.

Hatch is as set in his senate seat as McCain. Utah had better look hard now to find a committed conservative to contest Hatch's seat and better him in the Senate.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 12:47 PM (H+LJc)

76 The difficulty that incumbent, established Republican legislators have with presenting a loyal opposition to Obama is that they do not identify themselves as conservatives who truly believe in the US Constitution which, coincidentally, they have SWORN to uphold.
Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 04:39 PM (H+LJc)

No, the difficulty is in the fact that a majority of the people in this country, either out of agreement with her or indifference, don't see liberal justices as dangerous.

Part of the problem is that we assume what is obvious to us, is obvious to most people and that they will be motivated to act on it. It isn't and they won't.

A lot of that has to be created or at least goosed a bit at first. That's why I keep saying we need a narrative. That's how people think. If you get their attention at first and then give them more and more to think about and agree with you can get action.

That's why we can't simply at the 11th hour say, "ok, here's who she is, let's defeat her". There will be no public support for that.

Again, beating a SCOTUS nominee is a process, not an event.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 01, 2010 12:48 PM (X/Lqh)

77 Orrin's going to get the Bob Bennett treatment in '12. Count on it.

/Utahn

Posted by: Stan at July 01, 2010 12:50 PM (9hFQV)

78 /We are so very fucked.

Posted by: Gaff at July 01, 2010 12:51 PM (jDWYv)

79 Where are the solid NO votes among all GOP senators? Posted by: Curmudgeon

EXACTLY what constituents are demanding GOP senators to accomplish.

Why are Republicans defeatists regarding upholding the Constitution, yet gung ho imperialists with war efforts, including the war against drugs and Obama's war against the oil spill?

Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 12:51 PM (H+LJc)

80 We need a poll. When Professor Squiggy is seated, will Ruth Bader Ginsburg still be the hottest chick on the SC?

Posted by: Lincolntf at July 01, 2010 12:52 PM (Um3jj)

81 Maverick, the modren GOP is just as Progressive as the Democrats.  They just have different ideas of what to do with their cersion of total control.

Posted by: Truman North at July 01, 2010 12:52 PM (e8YaH)

82 Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 01, 2010 04:40 PM (plsiE)

The only thing I kind of disagree with is the cost in terms of setting a precedent.

The reason the Democrats didn't filibuster Roberts or Alito wasn't out of fear of setting a precedent or breaking a tradition. It was because they didn't have the votes.

It's almost impossible to get enough votes to win a filibuster on a SCOTUS nominee.

Hell, even Bork who was defeated (42-5 would have survived a filibuster.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 01, 2010 12:53 PM (X/Lqh)

83 This woman influenced a 'supposedly' independent group (ACOG) to reverse their statement, not on science but on political expedience.

Now if she didn't support the use of it, WHY would she do that? Anyone with principles most certainly would.

What happened to empathy? I guess that doesn't apply to babies that are half out of the birth canal.

The majority of Citizens support a ban on Partial Birth Abortion. We need to put into the public awareness WHAT EXACTLY this procedure means, including a full description. The left likes anecdotal stories, let's give them some fucking anecdotal stories. People need to be sick to their stomach about this procedure. It's spoken of, but your average person doesn't know what it means and what it is associate with.

Then point out that this woman supports usage of this procedure for whatever reason a doctor may decide. Not only does she support it, she goes out of her way to make it legal.

I have to ask, what kind of sick, piece of shit doctor would 'invent' this procedure?

Posted by: blindside at July 01, 2010 12:54 PM (x7g7t)

84

Hey all you Republicans...still think I'm crazy for staying an independent?

Tell me what the asshole GOP has accomplished, other than selling us out to the Democrats.  Oh sure, there are seem to be some really decent people in the GOP -- you can recognize them usually by the knives sticking out of their backs.

Both parties -- they need to go. 

Posted by: unknown jane at July 01, 2010 12:57 PM (5/yRG)

85

Hey all you Republicans...still think I'm crazy for staying an independent?

Both parties -- they need to go. 

+1

Posted by: Truman North at July 01, 2010 12:58 PM (e8YaH)

86 First off, it's unlikely they have the 60 votes for a filibuster.

They could block it right now because it is still in committee. To advance a nominee out of the Judiciary Committee you must have at least one minority Party vote,

Still they will likely get 5 or 6.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2010 12:59 PM (6taRI)

87 I think they should block her just to engage in the tit-for-tat. Behind the scenes they can tell the Dems that they will continue to do that until the Dems start allowing Republicans some slack.

I would not worry about the PR or the press. The Repubs will NEVER have the MFM on their side no matter what they do.

Posted by: Vic at July 01, 2010 01:03 PM (6taRI)

88

That's why we can't simply at the 11th hour say, "ok, here's who she is, let's defeat her". There will be no public support for that.

Again, beating a SCOTUS nominee is a process, not an event.

This too.  Miers "withdrew" only after being hammered as a poorly qualified crony pick (which she was) from day one of Bush naming her .  That she screwed the pooch in the nomination process sealed the deal.

Bork had to deal with a Dem majority, and again he was (unfairly) beaten up from the moment he was named.  In doing so, the Dems set the precident we see today of nominees giving up as little as possible with respect to their judicial philosophy during the nomination process.

Hatch likely knows that a filibuster would fail, so is playing this as taking the high road.  Kagan sucks, but now Obama owns the nomination a shitty choice with a poor public approval rating.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 01, 2010 01:04 PM (plsiE)

89 No, the difficulty is in the fact that a majority of the people in this country, either out of agreement with her or indifference, don't see liberal justices as dangerous. --DrewM.

The majority of the people in this country identify themselves as conservatives. To either agree with Kagan, or disagree, she needs to be exposed as the radical who is intent on dissolving our nation's Constitution, the only thing that binds Americans together equally under the law.

That so many Americans don't see the dangers of Marxist justices or presidents or legislators is not necessarily agreement or indifference with Marxism, but IGNORANCE.

The solution rests with the advancement of Classical EDUCATION, beginning with the public's knowledge of our Constitution and civic responsibility to uphold the rule of law.

/btw, just because Marxists have usurped the term, "liberal" neither validates their piracy, nor legitimizes such misrepresentation made to accommodate the Left. We understand that our founding fathers were Classical Liberals, as are our contemporary Libertarians. Whereas, the Left's Socialist/Marxists absolutely revile the thought that any such Liberty be extended to opponents who "deserve" misery.


Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 01:10 PM (H+LJc)

90 Tell me what the asshole GOP has accomplished

They gave us Coolidge, Reagan, and not much else.  Piss poor performance for the number of years they been at it.

Posted by: John Galt at July 01, 2010 01:10 PM (F/4zf)

91 65 And Lindsey, the Cow Palace is in Frisco.  (See what I did there?)

Posted by: Moron in Training at July 01, 2010 04:29 PM (cFGyS)

Asshole.

Posted by: Lindsey Graham, Race healer at July 01, 2010 01:11 PM (yICYQ)

92 GOP is just as Progressive as the Democrats. --Truman North

Yet, the GOP feigns to represent conservatism, and at present flirts with Tea Party protesters of mushrooming government abuses and inflated taxes. And yes, I am aware that the neoconservatives have made clear their intentions to usurp the Tea Party. And yes, the Tea Party has no real leader in Washington excepting Michele Bachmann.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 01:15 PM (H+LJc)

93

The only thing I kind of disagree with is the cost in terms of setting a precedent.

The reason the Democrats didn't filibuster Roberts or Alito wasn't out of fear of setting a precedent or breaking a tradition. It was because they didn't have the votes.

Maybe- but  it's unlikely we do either.  They knew they had a strong chance of getting a Dem president elected who would almost certainly be in the position to name at least one SC justice.  They couldn't have known whether they'd have a 60 seat majority in the Senate.

They didn't have the votes, but the prospect of having their own nominee filibustered a couple years later isn't something they could completely ignore.

If a Republican unseats Obama in 2012 (a very real possibility), a filibuster attempt now would make it that much easier (from a political standpoint) for the Dems to pull the same thing should Thomas or Kennedy resign in his term.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 01, 2010 01:15 PM (plsiE)

94 The problem is there's no attention being paid to what happen. --DrewM. 4:10

Agreed.

Posted by: maverick muse at July 01, 2010 01:16 PM (H+LJc)

95

They could block it right now because it is still in committee. To advance a nominee out of the Judiciary Committee you must have at least one minority Party vote,

Still they will likely get 5 or 6.

Why hello there, sailor.  Looking for a good time?

Posted by: Lindsay Graham, Senate judiciary committee member. at July 01, 2010 01:19 PM (plsiE)

96 Do you really think the majority of the people in this country support her views on pba or the military.  Nonsense.  The same R's who will be casting a vote for her to keep their powder dry for an "important" fight are the ones who voted to confirm Holder as AG.  How's that working out? 

Posted by: ed at July 01, 2010 01:21 PM (Urhve)

97 The truly scary thing is that if Ginsburg resigns, BamBam will have the opportunity to nominate a THIRD Supreme Court Justice.  That will have long-lasting effects that will take much longer to overcome than Barry's four-year fiasco.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 01, 2010 01:30 PM (2pxId)

98 Orin Hatch, one of the biggest R douchebags in the US Senate, oh well, we also have Chuckles Grassley. We are fucking doomed, my friends.

Posted by: Barbarian at July 01, 2010 01:38 PM (EL+OC)

99 Orin Hatch: Filibustering The Lying Nominee Kagan Would Be "Dirty"

Nominating a prominent supporter, sycophant, and collaborator was "dirty"

Nominating a someone without case law to scrutinize was "dirty"

Voting for a sure judicial activist because she has sympathetic views to your political philosophy is "dirty"

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET OFF YOUR FUCKING HIGH HORSE GET YOUR GOD DAMNED PATENT LEATHER SHOES MUDDY AND JOIN THE FIGHT TO SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!?
Because guess what; the opposition has pulled the fight into the dirt, they have no compunction about fighting in the dirt and if you would rather lose than get a little "dirty" you ought not be fighting for our side.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 01, 2010 01:41 PM (0q2P7)

100 So, dumbfuck, fight dirty.

Geez, that was hard.

Don't you need to get busy writing legislation to make August 3 National Seeing Eye Doggy Poop Pick-Up Day or something?

Posted by: Randall Hoven at July 01, 2010 01:42 PM (R7b2F)

101 Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 01, 2010 05:15 PM (plsiE)

I suppose it would be marginally easier.

I will guarantee one thing...if a Republican wins in '12 and say Breyer (who is an ass) retires/quits then, the Dems will filibuster no matter how many, how few seats they have.

Posted by: DrewM. at July 01, 2010 01:44 PM (X/Lqh)

102 Hatch supposedly was giving her pointers on what not to say and Graham was trying to feed her laugh lines.  She's not particularly bright.  She's unappealing physically and represents no voting bloc that even RINO's are trying to appeal to.  She's a political hack with no shining moments of actual legal practice.  All this, and they still won't fight. 

Posted by: ed at July 01, 2010 01:48 PM (Urhve)

103 Fuck Hatch. If the son of a bitch is too good to get his hands dirty to keep a communist bitch out of the fucking supreme court his ass needs to get retired, I am so damn sick of pussies in the GOP.  Fucking bastards are an insult to the real "Americans who were willing to go to war for freedom. No room for pussies in the GOP. We must loose the conservative hounds on their asses. They need a good mauling.

Posted by: maddogg at July 01, 2010 01:52 PM (OlN4e)

104 Sounds like Orin needs a primary challenger.  Any stout, conservative Iraq/Afghan vets in Utah?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at July 01, 2010 02:41 PM (7pGLt)

105 Hatch, what a gullible fool!

He believes his political opponents respect and honor him - when they really just condescend and punk him like the common lawyer-whore that he really is.

Listen to the comments Hatch makes when he voted to confirm Ginsburg.

Hatch, the magnanimous tool!

Posted by: 13times at July 01, 2010 02:49 PM (h6XiD)

106 The dude's best buddy was Ted Kennedy.  What else would you expect from him?  Hatch is serving his last term and he knows it.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at July 01, 2010 03:23 PM (fuw6p)

107 I don't think a filibuster would play in our favor running up to November - expose Kagan as a rubber-stamp stooge for Barry and have done with it.  Obama would relish the chance to tilt at us for a change on Kagan as a welcome distraction from The Hole That Won't Die.

However, I don't think filibustering would be "dirty" or "unheard of" or otherwise warrants the ethical vapor-panic poor Orin seems to be having.

Marquis of Queensbury rules again from our side, shanks and ball-bats from the the opposition.

Posted by: societyis2blame at July 01, 2010 03:32 PM (t/L3a)

108 Is this the compassionate conservatism that fat turd Rove inflicted on the Repuke party 10 years ago?  What a pile of gelded, spineless shit the party has become; completely worthless as it stands for nothing.  Magnificent bastard?  Try worthless eunuch.

Posted by: Captain Hate at July 01, 2010 03:39 PM (md/wF)

109 Do it anyway.

Posted by: The Oracle at July 01, 2010 03:43 PM (F6+/O)

110 And once again, the GOP shows that it's theme song is "I Surrender, Dear"

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 01, 2010 03:57 PM (kmEfr)

111

@41: "Why rubberstamp and make nice when the Demunists do not?"

Why indeed?  If a group of people continuously vote in favor of/do not oppose ever-expanding socialism/statism, it's pretty clear that they are actually in favor of it.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 01, 2010 04:05 PM (kmEfr)

112

@51: "What is in the goddamn water in D.C. law schools?

FIFY"

Yeah, because they come out of grammar school, junior high, high school, and university fire-breathing reactionaries, but go all weak-titty in law school.  Yup, you nailed it.  Shut down all of the law schools, and the gummint will suddenly run like a Swiss watch, reporters will immediately become disciples of Hayek, university faculties will immediately fall in love with Reaganism, unions will see the error of their ways and disband, racial grievance types will fall to their knees and beg forgiveness.

How about we shut down all colleges and universities?  Then no one could even apply to law school, and it would given them 4 (or more) fewer years of communist indoctrination.

Don't you ever get tired of being so myopically stupid?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 01, 2010 04:14 PM (kmEfr)

113

@91: "Kagan sucks, but now Obama owns the nomination a shitty choice with a poor public approval rating."

Huzzahs are in order, then!  When Former President Obama is off laughing at the fallen US from his global NGO sinecure, and when a 75 year old Kagan is getting wheeled in to court to destroy the last vestiges of liberty, people can rejoice knowing that "Gee, that Obama fella made a really stupid pick".  They need only vocalize the thought, and then all will be well.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 01, 2010 04:21 PM (kmEfr)

114

@92: "The majority of the people in this country identify themselves as conservatives."

They appear to be most incorrect as to the meaing of that term, then.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 01, 2010 04:22 PM (kmEfr)

115

105 Hatch supposedly was giving her pointers on what not to say and Graham was trying to feed her laugh lines.  She's not particularly bright.  She's unappealing physically and represents no voting bloc that even RINO's are trying to appeal to.  She's a political hack with no shining moments of actual legal practice.  All this, and they still won't fight.  Ed

 

And frankly, what WILL make them fight? The wouldn't fight for Joe Barton, as much as he was misquoted and twisted, he was fighting for due process.  What's that?

Another imbecile as a Supreme Court Justice to join sister Sotomayor.  Now what? I am heartened that they are "stupid", but regardless of how stupid they are, they still have a vote.

What happens if Scalia has a heart attack and keels over next year?  Or Anthony Kennedy (swing vote!) is in a fatal car crash?

Then these imbeciles have more power than you could possibly imagine.

Posted by: Reader CJ Burch says... at July 01, 2010 04:52 PM (sJTmU)

116 Someone needs to pull Orrin's head out of his ass.  And pull Lindsey out of the fuckin' Senate.

Posted by: Reiver at July 01, 2010 05:35 PM (Wo9tn)

117 Yep, this is what happens to you when your good friends with Harry the skuzbag Reid. That is why Gordon Smith "R" lost in Oregone.

Posted by: bugsrus at July 01, 2010 06:56 PM (Y0sZr)

118 I guess Snorin' Orin missed that bit where his fellow Utah senator got primaried out for not being conservative enough to satisfy the people of Utah...the very same electorate Gramps claims to represent himself...for now.

Guess he's ready for retirement.

Posted by: SuperCool at July 01, 2010 10:18 PM (gEh3B)

119 Sen. Hatch and Dean Kagan share a very basic orientation. Dean Kagan can glory in hers in the halls of the academy (even get a degree in it, if she liked). Sen. Hatch gets the "strange new respect" his orientation earns within the beltway, but no way would it play in Utah. Therefore, he does not tug on his leash. Pussy!

Posted by: Thorvald at July 02, 2010 03:20 AM (Dr5X9)

120

Jesus, why even hold confirmation hearings?  Just let Hussien airdrop his judges and hit the golf course.

If there are any men in Utah, primary this pussy Hatch.  He seems to think that the 'collegiality of the senate' is more mportant than the Constitution.

Posted by: HoundOfDoom at July 02, 2010 07:55 AM (tQ7IJ)

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