1 Oh great, a double-post.

2 I guess I'll just copy and paste what I put in the other one . . .

3 Can I just c&p my snark from the other post?  I'll just c&p my snark from the other post:

"We've approached the community because we want this to be an example of how we are cooperating with the members of the community, not only to provide services but also to build a new discourse on how Muslims and non-Muslims can cooperate together to push back against the voices of extremism."

Are they going to let men and women of different faiths pray there?  Are they going to let men and women of different faiths be in the same room together?  Just, you know, asking. 

4 your xerox machine is acting up again

5



Heh. I had a feeling ace was gonna bring the double/triple today. Just didnt know when.

6 your xerox machine is acting up again

I'll just go Palpatine that too. 

7 If Muslims want peace and understanding between cultures, why not allow a synagogue or Christian church to be built in Mecca --or anywhere in Saudi Arabia, for that matter?

8
hahaha, Ace is pushing down Drewm like he's a fat woman.

9 It's old.

10 O/T, but is that John Crier voicing the Wells Fargo ads??

11 Be a damn shane if that fucker blew up or somethin.

12
Ace pushes Droom down like a fat woman.

13 It says alot that we couldn't build a government building there because of the lack of space for blast stand off and vehicle inspections; but a mosque is perfectly safe.

14 *Raises and waves hand* Present!

15
C'mon bigots, it's not like the muslims will use the mosque as a place to celebrate a muslim victory against the evil West.

16 Militant Islam is like weather like rape:

If it's inevitable, relax and enjoy it.

17 It's somehow reassuring to realize that Ace doesn't read his own blog.

18 This came up on the ONT last night, so doesn't that  make this the third post?  And I still say we need a moron meetup at this mosque around 9/10 of next year.  Lots of bacon.

19
In case you weren't sure of what the symbolism was intended to be, Khan's eager to remind you. The super-mosque -- the world's largest Temple of Murder -- is set to open on the ten-year anniversary of 9/11 -- September 11, 2011.




I just puked a little in my mouth when I read that. You have got to be shittin' me.

20 It's somehow reassuring to realize that Ace doesn't read his own blog.

Reading your own blog is against the Moron Way.

21 This is a repeat.

This is a repeat.

This is a repeat.

This is a repeat.

22 >i>16 Militant Islam is like weather like rape: If it's inevitable, relax and enjoy it. Posted by: Clayton Williams at May 14, 2010 02:08 PM (Mmw0q) That's always been my approach...

23 I blame the idiots on the "community board."  I mean, how the hell...?

24
This Kahn fellow can suck my dick.  As soon as the Prophet Mohammed is done.

25 17 It's somehow reassuring to realize that Ace doesn't read his own blog.

It means all is well.

About this abomination being built here, I have few words, other than "Fuck no!".

If we allow this to happen, we deserve to lose power.

26 If you talk the talk, then walk the walk. Buy the ground yourself and plant some flowers, otherwise I think you should get a grip, dude. Or get it Keloed. Don't you guys know lots of attorneys? Now that they are finished stealing the Brooklyn Yards land maybe they can condemn this lot.

27 Not Alawi, Awlaki

28 Google image search Daisy Khan - good argument for a burqa.

29 It's NYC. If they don't care, I don't care. Besides, it gives the terrorists a safe place for their bomb factory and arms cache.

30 What would Maureen Dowd do?

31 Washington Examiner:
"The Obama administration on Thursday threw its support behind a $23 billion measure intended to avert large-scale teacher layoffs, urging Congress to include the effort in a spending bill lawmakers are drafting to fund wartime costs and other urgent needs."

32 The location is no accident. Just as it was no accident that the Al-Aqsa Mosque was built on top of the Temple in Jerusalem.

Good point about Islamic expansion.  The fuckers there won't even admit publicly that the Temple even existed (and Allah forbid that you do any excavation anywhere around that area).

33 Repost from other thread:


Last week, I was sure I hated this idea, but now am confused.

Reading the lefty pablum the good deluded Imam is spewing, I'm actually wondering if this isn't meant in modestly good faith (no pun intended). 

Tribeca Film Festival is going to show movies there?

Like this one?

http://www.tribecafilm.com/tribecafilm/Swimsuit_Issue.html

I don't know, morons, if that's the case, this isn't a Wahhabi monument so much as a muslim middle finger to Al Q.

I'm genuinely torn now whether this is something good or bad.

They're mush-headed lefties.  One of their staff used to work for Soros.

read the bios.

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/staff-bios

When I heard about this last week, I was really hoping this place would collapse "mysteriously" the day after it opened, but I'm wondering if these are the fabled "moderate Muslims" we've been asking for for 10 years.

34 OT but important

T-7 minutes for the final flight of Atlantis

NASA stream for those of you not near a TV

35 28 Google image search Daisy Khan - good argument for a burqa.

Posted by: Bomber at May 14, 2010 02:11 PM (qzoN5)

--Must . . . resist

36 Hey, let's put up a statue of Charles Martel in Mecca.

37 I have read or seen plenty of former muzzies who have said these moderation and peace statements are just the bs that they project in public, but none of them believe it and the mosque prayers and preaching is all about destroying the west.  The we come at peace crap is part of their schtick.

38 I'm genuinely torn now whether this is something good or bad.

They're mush-headed lefties.  One of their staff used to work for Soros.

Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 02:13 PM (UaxA0)

Six of one, half dozen of the other, at best.

Fuck 'em all, and fuck this mosque idea.

WTF is wrong with you?

39 We may as well watch Atlantis take off... the end of America's Manned Space Exploration program after 50 years. And so it ends... not with a bang, but an Obama...

40 34 OT but important T-7 minutes for the final flight of Atlantis NASA stream for those of you not near a TV thanks I'm headed to the back yard

41 I find my capacity for outrage much attenuated at each fresh assault, but this really pegged the needle. There is no way in hell New Yorkers should allow this abomination to continue. If we allow it...we might as well just close up shop right now, because it's over.

42

Whats awesome is, every crackpot muzzy dictator will have a soapbox to stand on to spew threats against America and Israel on our home soil right next to the spot where thousands of Americans were murdered and I aint even talkin' about the U.N. and Columbia University.

43

*quietly deleting everything I wrote from Sept 2001 to mid 2008*

 

And if you point this out to me, I shall ban you and "out" you

44 We may as well watch Atlantis take off... the end of America's Manned Space Exploration program after 50 years.

There are 2 more launches, Discovery in Sept and Endeavour in November.  This is just Atlantis' last. 

But still, a criminal brain drain going on.

45
Almost two years ago, here at AoS, after Obama won in 2008 I said:

"If you told me seven years ago after 9/11 that a man with close ties to anti-American terrorists; a man close to a racist black preacher; a man with a paper-thin resumé, a man with whose father was a radical leftist muslim; a man whose half-brother lives in squalor in a third-world country; a man named Barack Hussein Obama would be the 44th president of the United States, I would've said you were crazy."

Our nation is indeed cray. And stupid. And shameful. We forgot 9/11. We have shamed the once-sacred ground of the vicious attack on Americans in New York City. And we are now waving the white flag to radical islam. For what? For multi-culti diversity claptrap.

Political Correctness will be our nation's doom.

46 Man, launch on the first attempt.  They are SERIOUS.  This almost never happens.

47 37 Hey, let's put up a statue of Charles Martel in Mecca. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at May 14, 2010 02:15 PM (B+qrE) What for? Martel's descendants have given away Europe to the Muzzies in one generation. Amsterdam is about to go majority Muslim! The irony is, I saw a beer commercial for some Dutch company or another themed on the idea that Amsterdam is a great city for beer. 30 years from now, all the women will be wearing headscarves or worse, and alcohol & churches will be illegal there.

48 @37 let's add a kennel, too. Joan Brown Campbell, director of the Department of Religion at the Chautauqua Institution in upstate New York and former general secretary of the National Council of Churches, admitted that a mosque at Ground Zero could anger infidels. But it was worth it, she said: “Building so close is owning the tragedy.” WTF? What does that even mean? Who owns the "tragedy?" And since when is an act of war not an act of war but a "tragedy?" In any case, I'm sure these developments mean only one thing... that Democrats will pick up 80 seats in November. Had to beat the trolls to it.

49 Off with you, Barney Frank sock puppet!

50
Mayor Bloomberg is such a fucking idiot.

51

Well, the one thing that struck me is that this guy had a storefront mosque in the Burlington Coat factory building on 9/11

He seems to be doing what he can.  He's always going to be a muslim, right? 

I'm a naive, trusting sort, I'll admit.  But I need a reason to hate this idea more than just because it's muslim per se.  It ain't salafist/wahhabist, and they are not building minarets with onion domes.

I don't know.  I'm really, genuinely confused.

52 Posted by: Monty at May 14, 2010 02:16 PM (4Pleu)

Yeah, just when you think you can't be any more pissed.

While was writing my post I realized my mouth hurt. My jaw was clenched so tight in anger my teeth hurt.

53 they are obviously only going to open in on the anniversary to try and get their desired reaction (which I have a hard time seeing them getting it done in time). Actually didn't have too much of a problem when I first heard about this (oh no, they're building a church) but I hadn't heard the plan was to open it on the 10th anniversary.



I'm wondering if these are the fabled "moderate Muslims" we've been asking for for 10 years.

Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 02:13 PM (UaxA0)

My friend and his family is muslim. I've helped with charity events at his mosque and everyone there are good people

54 I'm genuinely torn now whether this is something good or bad.

Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 02:13 PM (UaxA0)

You're being tooled if you think this is a good thing.  Even if in concept it's a good idea the site for it is an abomination and an insult; let them build it somewhere else and celebrate their "moderateness" and then we'll see what happens in a decade or so...

55 Just a heads up - dhimmi laws aren't just about keeping churches and such lower than mosques.  Shari'a forbids the repair of crumbling or building of any new non-mosque houses of worship.  Not only that, any public display of any faith other than Islam is forbidden, including even carrying around, say, a Bible.  These laws are operative, for the most part, even in the "secular" nation of Turkey.  Just look at what the Turks have done to the churches in occupied Cyprus (let alone Hagia Sophia).

the sinner,

Patrick

56 I don't know. I'm really, genuinely confused. You got that right.

57 Will there be enough room at the mosque for the Bloomberg Mayoral Library and trans-fat seizure SWAT team HQ?

58 38 We may as well watch Atlantis take off... the end of America's Manned Space Exploration program after 50 years.

And so it ends... not with a bang, but an Obama...

Posted by: Barney Frank at May 14, 2010 02:16 PM (9IHmo)

--Actually, I think one or tow of the other shuttles have one to go each.

59 Now let's not jump to conclusions. The plan to put up the mosque might not be a Muslim one. It could just be someone upset with Obamacare.

60
Rudy Guilliani unfairly caught a lot of shit for repeating the phrase "the lessons of 9/11" during his short-lived campaign for the White House.

Well, Your Honor, I am sorry to say we have learned nothing from 9/11. We are not just living in a '9/10' frame of mind in the U.S., we have completely revised the events of 9/11 to make the history of that day more culturally sensitive.

61 Plans to bring what one critic calls a "monster mosque" to the site of the old Burlington Coat Factory building, at a cost expected to top $100 million, moved along for months without a peep. All of a sudden, even members of the community board that stupidly green-lighted the mosque this month are tearing their hair out.

PC is killing this country.  I'm with Monty - if this thing gets built, better pack it in, it's over.

62 I'm so pissed I truly cannot think of anything to say.  If this monstrous thing is allowed to be built, we are fucking through as a nation.  Unbelievable. 

63 I'm dispatching the 82nd Airborne to ensure this thing gets built without interference from teabaggers.

64 Keep on bashing Muslims, Republicans.  They're one of the fastet-growing voter blocs.

That will guarantee Obama coasts to re-election in 2012.

65 I suppose the Lefties will be all on board for this opportunity to jibberjabber about "Islamaphobia" and raaaaaacism.

I think maybe we should build a carbon copy of St. Peter's next to the grave of Andrea Dworkin - you know - just to be clever. 

66 PC is killing this country. I'm with Monty - if this thing gets built, better pack it in, it's over. It is. Touché Turtle had it right. The nation slit its wrists in November 2008, and the body politic is very large... so it takes quite a while for all the blood to drain. We're just starting the death-rattle now. We may not flatline for another few years, but we will.

67 #55  Just a heads up - dhimmi laws aren't just about keeping churches and such lower than mosques.  Shari'a forbids the repair of crumbling or building of any new non-mosque houses of worship.  Not only that, any public display of any faith other than Islam is forbidden, including even carrying around, say, a Bible.  These laws are operative, for the most part, even in the "secular" nation of Turkey.  Just look at what the Turks have done to the churches in occupied Cyprus (let alone Hagia Sophia).

Thanks for the reminder, Patrick.  I learned this after I watched "Farewell Israel" a few years ago, but it looks like I'm going to have to reacquaint myself with the dhimmi rules. 

68 This would be like building a B-29 historical museum at ground zero in Hiroshima.

What aren't we friends now? Can't we build an informative memorial about mid 20th century American industry? What? Too soon?

Why can't some people understand, despite how forgiving man can be, and often times is, some places, for some things, the wound is too deep to be forgotten, and the forgiven need tread lightly at the boarders of those places.

69 And I hadn't seen a double post in days. I was wondering if they were going out of style.

70


Miss Me Yet ?

71 I can't wait until we get to watch the Islamic game shows where they get hit in the balls for screwing up tongue twisters.  It'll be called "Oh, My كرات !!!!"

72 I'm thinking of starting double comments.

73 Oh I just love the quote from the woman who lost her daughter on 9/11.  Opposition to the mosque is racist.  Nice.  I'm sorry she lost her daughter, she also has apparently lost her mind.

74 Where's the $100 million coming from?

75 I'd hate for some deranged, deluded domestic terrorist to blow this thing up.

Hate it.

76 To Guy Fawkes -

It's called taqqiya.  It is an aspect of Shari'a law and the Islamic faith that allows Muslims to lie to non-Muslims to "protect" themselves.  The real issue is this:  Islam is the only major, world religion that calls for the forced conversion, subjugation, or elimination of all non-believers (and, no, nothing in the OT or NT is comparable).  There may be some moderate Muslims who don't wish to follow this dictate - but think about the conundrum this puts them in.

The foundation of Islam is the perfection of Muhammed.  If he so ordered, it is as if Allah, himself, ordered it.  To not follow the dictate is to not follow Islam.  Any attempt to excise the dictate, or to "re-interpret" it, would be to declare Muhammed fallible and, thus, bring into question all of Islam.

the sinner,

Patrick

77 74 Where's the $100 million coming from?

My guess, Saudi Arabia.

78
Can't we all just get along?

79 Just another failure for the Bush administra... oh wait, how are we supposed to spin this for Prince Sparklefarts?

80 >>>Where's the $100 million coming from? I like how one of the articles said it was uncertain where they'd get the money, or if they'd get it. 1. I know where the money is coming from. 2. Because I know the source of the money, know they'll get it, and then some. 3. I also know the sorts of people who will have great influence of this mosque, therefore.

81

I was wondering if they were going out of style.

AOSHQ:  Unfettered by fashion.  Or even clothes most of the time.

 

82 Posted by: Patrick at May 14, 2010 02:29 PM (kzTBm) That's funny... I would have thought Mohammed porking a 9 year old would have called Islam into question centuries ago.

83 Hye Patrick, till Edessa is free

84 The 64 $ question is. Will the union members who struggled in the ruins of the World Trade Center forget their grief and line up to work on this atrocity? Nothing gets done in NYC without union labor......

85 Boy, that Danny Pearle had a really good head on his shoulders!

86 Islam is taking a dump on America's lawn.

87 Keep on bashing Muslims, Republicans.

I'm rather more concerned about them bashing me.  And I don't mean verbally.  As Roger Simon (I think) said "I started caring about Islam when Islam started caring about me."

88 I like how one of the articles said it was uncertain where they'd get the money, or if they'd get it.

1. I know where the money is coming from.

2. Because I know the source of the money, know they'll get it, and then some.

3. I also know the sorts of people who will have great influence of this mosque, therefore.

89

Pamela Gellar of Atlas Shrugs is organizing protests against this vicious insanity

I know a lot of you can't stand Hannity, but he had Pam on his radio show yesterday to debate some CAIR type talking head about this mosque.  She ripped the guy a new asshole.  Listen to it if you can find it online.

90 I bet Obama makes an appearance at the opening of this of this fucking place on 9/11/11.

91 Kratos,

Some months ago, my priest returned from visiting the Patriarchate in Constantinople (yes, I refuse to call it that other name.  Hey, for all the Palestinians, hows 'bout we end the occupation of Constantinople first?).  He talked about how he couldn't even wear his clerical garb in public.  Turkey refused to pave the street to the Patriarchate's buildings, allowing the public dumping of sewage on the street, until, in the mid-90's, Hillary Clinton made a visit and they didn't want to "tarnish Turkey's image" as a "modern" nation.

the sinner,

Patrick

92 Just pay our demands, and we'll erect a combo vomitorium/crack house if you want.

93 Opposition to the mosque is racist.

I love how religion is now a race. 

94 73 Oh I just love the quote from the woman who lost her daughter on 9/11.  Opposition to the mosque is racist.  Nice.  I'm sorry she lost her daughter, she also has apparently lost her mind.

Posted by: jewells at May 14, 2010 02:28 PM (l/N7H)

Someone also needs to tell her that Islam isn't a fucking race or ethnicity.

95 Let's stipulate these moderate Muslims have only the best motives. Sorry. Because no muslim any where on earth should have the merest opportunity to think of that new mosque in any other way, which of course is exactly what many will do. That's enough to refuse any mosque on the spot.

96 Keep on bashing Muslims, Republicans. Hmmm.... Liberals decrying Muslim bashing. Oh, the irony... the irony...

97

So I don't believe this rotten bastard. And I don't believe it because anyone with the merest speck of regard and respect for his victims would be sensitive to the obvious symbolism of this action and refrain from it.

But, the purpose and intent of this islamic monstrosity is specifically to show their contempt for the West and for Americans.  There is no question about this, at all.

98 Don't go! It's a cockbook! A cockbook!!!

99 You racist teabaggers!

Personally, I would be honored to attend the opening of this fine institution.

100 Opposition to the mosque is racist. So is Christian bashing.

101

 And what exactly do you expect from one of the most liberal cities in the country?

Personally, I would expect them to raise their taxes in order to fund the dang thing.

People didn't get especially worked up over the AMA's acceptance of a "ritual nick" on girls' privates to appease extrememists already in this country...and folks are surprised and outraged at this?

102 While I can't think of any way the First Amendment would permit actually banning this, this is the kind of thing where private action is callled for (no, not burning it down). 

This building and all who worship there should be shunned by all New Yorkers.  Anytime someone in New York boo-hoos about "Islamaphobia" it should be mentioned that Muslims flipped New York the bird with this travesty (after they killed a shitload of New Yorkers "BTW").   It should be made clear to the Muslim community that New Yorkers despise their insensitivity and the raw "we bought the land, Allahu Akbar and fuck New York" message it sends.

OK, fabled "mainstream" Muslim community there in New York - here's your chance to show you're a bona-fide good citizen and supporter of this country and your home state and city and that your religion really was "hijacked" on 9-11:  STOP THIS.  NOW.

If New Yorkers hear one damned excuse from you as to why this should go forward, don't ever cry to us about "Islamophobia" again.

I can't even think of an appropriate analogy to how fucking heartless this is - other than, say, putting a mosque on top of the Jewish Temple.....  Hmm, seems to be a theme here...

103 CoolCzeck,

Be kind!  He waited for two years after marrying her before he porked her.  Tell me that doesn't scream responsible restraint.

the sinner,

Patrick

104 Awesome: Giant Mosque/Islamic Community Center Going Up Near Ground Zero —DrewM.

 

What's more disgraceful, more deplorable and more despicable about that than the Viet Nam War Memorial in Washington, D.C.; a "V" for victory by the North Vietnamese; the design for which was by a (very liberal) Chinese-American woman who was an activist in the anti-war movement. The same complacency that we're witnessing with the shenanigans of the Obama Administration, and the same failure of the liberal MSM to report a story in its proper context. 

105 Personally, I would be honored to attend the opening of this fine institution. Posted by: Charles Johnson at May 14, 2010 02:36 PM (9B5OK) I could use a head like yours.

106 Beautiful, beautiful launch.  "The long goodbye," they're calling it at KSC.  I didn't see any damage on the orbiter underbelly as the external tank separated, but of course they'll be testing that comprehensively on orbit.

I wouldn't feel so sad if there were definitely something in the wings to look forward to.  But, of course, President Training Pants saw to that. 

107 Hey, we're thinking of building a museum in downtown Selma, anyone interested?

108

ace

I like how one of the articles said it was uncertain where they'd get the money, or if they'd get it.

1. I know where the money is coming from.


Do you really KNOW, or do you just have an overridingly strong suspicion?


Listen, I'm against the idea 100% on principle, and I'm probably getting conned by their slick packaging.  But if they are legitimately trying, and are going to have GAY PR0N movies (essentially, Tribeca FF) there, how "pure" can the place be?

I'd love a statue of Martel in Mecca, but I would understand the symbolism would be different.  The thing here is that it's NOT a real "mosque" but a high-rise with a mosque inside.

Put me to some fucking knowledge, morons.  What SPECIFICALLY is wrong with THIS GROUP that they can't be trusted?

Really, I WANT to be against this.  Just give me a reason (based on these people's motives)

109 Unbelievable

110 Opposition to the mosque is racist.

So is Christian bashing.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 14, 2010 02:36 PM (9IHmo)

Thou shalt not Establish a Religion, teabagger!

111
...till Edessa is free...

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

112 It's called taqqiya.  It is an aspect of Shari'a law and the Islamic faith

I don't think taqqiya is a universal Muslim belief, I think it only applies to Shia.

113 Be kind! He waited for two years after marrying her before he porked her. Tell me that doesn't scream responsible restraint. the sinner, Patrick Posted by: Patrick at May 14, 2010 02:37 PM (kzTBm) OK, I will: Waiting two years to pork an 11 year old child does not scream self-restraint. It screams CHILD RAPE! Besides, I don't recall Jesus porking anybody.

114

We Americans enjoy commenting harshly and humorously both, about the once great Britain and how they roll over for every fresh insult they swallow and every accomodation they make to Islam.

We may as well stop that right now, because if this is accomplished, it eclipses anything we have mocked them for.

America, this is our line.

115 So, if this site should accidently get flooded with pigs blood, would that make it impossible for them to ever build there?  Not that I'm advocating that of course, but if this awful terrible coincidence happen.....

116 While I can't think of any way the First Amendment would permit actually banning this

A zoning commission can do pretty much anything they like to squash speech in the form of signage...

117

We were thinking of building a museum in downtown Nanking dedicated to the love Japanese men have for Chinese women.

Anyone interested in contributing?

118 Besides, I don't recall Jesus porking anybody.

Posted by: CoolCzech at May 14, 2010 02:39 PM (9IHmo)

He screwed Jonah pretty good.

119

Why does no one seem to notice that muslims in America never opened their mouths about much of anything ... until AFTER 9/11?  I never understood how people missed this.  Before 9/11 you would hear from arab groups, but almost never muslim groups.  After 9/11, you hear from muslim groups, and almost nevver arab groups.  And the mosque building seemed to go into overdrive after they attacked us.

How long will Americans let this go on?

On the bright side, we elected a Hussein as Commander-in-Chief ...

120 Just give me a reason (based on these people's motives)

What do their motives have to do with this?  It's offensive, whether it's intended to offend or not.

121
All we need is for Nancy Pelosi to endorse this project and tell us it will...(all together now)...

create jobs...and lower costs. Oh and it's the moral thing to do, just like it says in The Bible.

122 CoolCzech,

And the whole progressive revelation thing.  Sorta like Joseph Smith's adventure with the first two books of Mormon.  When Muhammed was confronted by two followers who noticed his then-latest "revelation" contradicted an earlier one, he responded by saying that they were fools because they didn't realize that the later-in-time revelation was "more perfect" than the earlier one.  Even the 9 year-old, Aisha, noted that Allah was really quick to make exceptions to his own laws whenever Muhammed's sexual gratification was concerned.  (For which she later duly apologized).

the sinner,

Patrick

123 Really, I WANT to be against this. Just give me a reason (based on these people's motives) Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 02:38 PM (UaxA0) It's insensitive, for EXACTLY the same reasons the Germans putting up a cultural center within exactly the same distance of the Wailing Wall in 1954 would be insensitive and tasteless.

124 Next someone will build a Beni Hana on the USS Arizona.

125 A cathedral and a synagogue built next to the Kabba, then we'll talk about building "mutual understanding".

126 There could be a surprising lack of police and fire service available to that block. Nice place for some gay clubs and munitions dumps.

127

118

We were thinking of building a museum in downtown Nanking dedicated to the love Japanese men have for Chinese women.


This is really the closest snarky example yet (I like the B29 museum in Hiroshima idea, though).

Really, what if the Japanese built a women's center in Nanking, as a way of saying "sorry."

Is that the same thing?

128 When Muhammed was confronted by two followers who noticed his then-latest "revelation" contradicted an earlier one, he responded by saying that they were fools because they didn't realize that the later-in-time revelation was "more perfect" than the earlier one. Is not God perfect and timeless? Mohammed's explanation presupposes God to less than Godlike.

129 I'm sorry you took offense to me pissing on your mother's grave.  I meant no offense.  I just had to relieve myself.

130 CoolCzech,

You do realize I was being sarcastic about the whole "restraint" thing, right?  Of course, Muhammed was the same guy who waited a whole afternoon to "marry" the widowed Jewish woman who had to watch her entire tribe, including her father and husband, slaughtered in front of her to get the "Jewish treasure" Muhammed believed they had.

the sinner,

Patrick

131 #118  Really, what if the Japanese built a women's center in Nanking, as a way of saying "sorry."

You can't srsly thing that this abomination is being built as a way of saying "sorry" that the 9/11 attacks happened.  Bad analogy.

132 Nice place for some gay clubs and munitions dumps.

All-pork BBQ?

133

Really, what if the Japanese built a women's center in Nanking, as a way of saying "sorry."

At last check the whole "sorry" thing is not a pillar of Islam.

134 Did anyone see Alan Colmes on with Megyn Kelly earlier?  He was there to discuss Stedman's refusal to tie the Times Square failed bomber to radical Islam.  Colmes position was that Stedman was perfectly correct, as terrorists who do this in the name of Islam are not Islamists because it is contrary to the teaching of  Islam.  So even though they say they are doing it in the name of Allah and Islam, they aren't.

OMG, he is as stupid as he is ugly.

135 Really, what if the Japanese built a women's center in Nanking, as a way of saying "sorry."

I will believe this is going up for the reasons the group states when that group builds a synagogue in Mecca.  Until then?  They don't get the benefit of the doubt. 

136


After you visit the new mosque, dont forget to bring your kids by J.W. Gacy's Pizza & Games featuring Rapey the Clown.

137 CoolCzech,

Well, not really.  Not for the Muslims, anyway.  The Muslim god has a real tendency to be capricious and fickle.  At least, assuming everything Muhammed said was directly from that god.

the sinner,

Patrick

138 s'moron at May 14, 2010 02:43 PM (UaxA0)

And I'm wondering just what it is that you have observed in the last several decades that would cause you doubt as to the motivations of the "religion of peace" or, as you have stated, be predisposed to granting it the benefit of the doubt such that you need others to convince you otherwise.

139
I'll be sure and spread bacon and pig fat on the building when I'm there this summer.  And get a pic of the urine stain I intend to leave on the building.

140
This is a travesty.

141 #137  After you visit the new mosque, dont forget to bring your kids by J.W. Gacy's Pizza & Games featuring Rapey the Clown.

And don't leave without playing a game of "Pin the suicide bomber" on the Synagogue. 

142

he responded by saying that they were fools because they didn't realize that the later-in-time revelation was "more perfect" than the earlier one.

Thus furnishing the foundation for the "thongs cause earthquakes in Iran to punish everyone but not in the West so that everyone will be damned" school of theological thought.

It's all so...elegant.  Or something.

143
"Tolerance" is a limp dick. Look at Londonstan to see the future.

144 Oh good,  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will have someplace to pray during his trial!

145

OMG, he is as stupid as he is ugly.

Meh, I think that's a toss up.

146 117 Ms.Radish:

True, but most objects of zoning board enforcement don't have a lobby so strong the fucking Attorney General is afraid to speak their name.  I'd move to NYC to vote for the dude that had the balls to try it, though.

The bitch of this is that a goat-humping jihad site would already have dudes planning to burn a Christian church down if the shoe was on the other foot but I'm sitting here measuring every word trying not to cross a line. 

These fucking paleolithic, knuckle-dragging gangsters joke about how they're strangling us with our own rules,  but I'll guarantee that anyone who steps out of line on our side will have Holder's boys at his front door while these fucks go merrily along killing us and bragging about it in public.

147

New Yorkers will just love the "call to prayer" five times a day on the loud speakers.

148 Patrick said, Sorta like Joseph Smith's adventure with the first two books of Mormon.

Please elaborate.

149 Which kind of fertilizer is the explosive kind again?  I don't want to get the wrong kind for my garden.

150 Posted by: Patrick at May 14, 2010 02:45 PM (kzTBm) Oh, OK... I wasn't quite sure where you were coming from with your posts, exactly. Frankly, while YOU may have posted that with sarcasm, I think a hardcore Muslim could easily have posted the same exact words with no sarcasm whatsoever...

151 If it on fire, does the NYFD send 50 empty trucks.

152 Ok, so who do we send hate mail to?

The mayor?   Hah! Yeah I know.

State senators?

The POTUS?

Well, crap, doesn't seem to be anybody with any power who'd be willing to stop it.

Guess it's up to us.

153 most objects of zoning board enforcement don't have a lobby so strong the fucking Attorney General is afraid to speak their name.

Yeah...there's that.  

Man, I loathe New York.

154 151 Which kind of fertilizer is the explosive kind again?  I don't want to get the wrong kind for my garden.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 14, 2010 02:55 PM (1fanL)

Ammonium Nitrate is the good stuff...if 'good' means the shit that blows up.

155 I can't wait for the Militant Atheists to stage mass protests in front of the mosque construction site...

156

New York, New York, it's a wonderful town!
The mosque is up and the towers are down
We built it right next to a hole in the ground,
New York, New York, it's a wonderful town!

157 Why in the hell is the Rockefeller Brothers foundation helping to pay for this thing?

158 157 I can't wait for the Militant Atheists to stage mass protests in front of the mosque construction site...

Get Richard Dawkins on it right away!

159 Ammonium Nitrate

Pig's blood is cheaper. And less conspicuous.

160 I think Mohammed boned the girl when she was 9. He married her at 7.

161
Pig's blood is cheaper. And less conspicuous.

And plenty available in Manhattan.

162 Why in the hell is the Rockefeller Brothers foundation helping to pay for this thing?

Posted by: Paranoid Conspiracy Thoery at May 14, 2010 02:59 PM (8/DeP)

EorgeGay OrosSay

163


I think Mohammed boned the girl when she was 9. He married her at 7.

Posted by: Hunter Van Pelt at May 14, 2010 03:00 PM (ElVmV)

Interesting. Newsletter ?

164
I'm guessing the price tag is so high because cyanide showers are expensive to install. And when they invite all the Jews in New York to come down and take a tour, the dingbats will say, "See, they really, really like us".

165 I think Mohammed boned the girl when she was 9. He married her at 7.

Posted by: Hunter Van Pelt at May 14, 2010 03:00 PM (ElVmV)

She was asking for it.  Wearing those sexy clothes and looking all hot n shit.

166 bonhomme - Joe Smith had a revelation that bigamy was OK, after he was confronted in the sack with a farmers' daughter -- which in early 1800s might have gotten you shot. The Mormons have been in the slow process of cleaning up the crap from Joe Smith and slowly migrating towards mainstream Christianity. Its a 200y plan.

167

For the person wondering where there could be some logical reason to not like this abomination:

Look at what the thing is going to be called, "Cordoba House".  Now, go type in "Cordoba" and "Al Andaluz" in a search engine and do some reading.

Then go back and read what this Daisy Khan said about this being "symbolic"...

168 Hmm, I wonder which "extremists" the "silent majority of muslims are suffering at" Ms. Khan is referring to?  They have no shame at all.

169
If I was a rabbi, I'd be demanding a lot right next to the mosque. The Jews should build a temple right there, too. I guarantee the muslims will cancel the project or have a fit.

170 Cordoba Mosque?  Like Cordoba Spain the capital of Islam's first attempted colonization of Europe?  Probably just a coincidence.

171 Which kind of fertilizer is the explosive kind again?  I don't want to get the wrong kind for my garden.

Posted by: FUBAR at May 14, 2010 02:55 PM (1fanL)

All of the fertilizer commercially sold has had deliberately low concentrations of Ammonium Nitrate since Oklahoma City. No more easy stump removal, excavate, replant, and fertilize, all in one convenient product anymore.

172 "purchased last July by real-estate company Soho Properties, a business run by Muslims." OK, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? Granted, every other New Yorker has to beg for permission to build on their land. But in principle, they have a perfect right to build this. Is it insulting, foolish, offensive? Yes. And given the perfectly clear symbolism, I wouldn't be very offended if somebody flew a plane into the side of it. So if they want that, they should go for it.

173

Hey, "Reconquista" doesn't just mean Mexico reconquering California and Texas.  The term originated in the war to liberate southern Spain ("Al-Andalus") from Moorish (Muslim) rule.

And don't think that the Islamicists have ever forgotten or forgiven that.  The re-establishment of Muslim dominion over Al-Andalus is almost always mentioned in their various manifestoes.

174 "For us, it's a symbol, a platform that will give voice to the silent majority of Muslims who suffer at the hands of extremists. A center will show that Muslims will be part of rebuilding lower Manhattan," said Khan, adding that Cordoba will be open to everyone.


It's a symbol for me too, it reminds me everyday that we're at war with Islam. I'm done calling it Radical, Extremist, or whatthefuckever other modifier you want to put out front of the religion of peace. It is part of their basic tenants of the religion, they want to breed chaos and destruction upon the entire world to call the Twelfth Imam. There are no moderate Islamists, and if they tell you they are, they're lying to your face.

175 And given the perfectly clear symbolism, I wouldn't be very offended if somebody flew a plane into the side of it.

It was an equipment malfunction.

Prove it wasn't.

176 sad that a mosque is built before a proper monument

177 Someone should just grab some bacon and sprinkle it on the area. When they clean it up..do it again.

178 178 Zuggs

If I had George Soros kind of money I'd put a Jewish Community Centre on one side and a wierdo gay fetish bar on the other.  Hire a lot of ex Special Forces and Secret Service guys for security too.

179

132 #118  Really, what if the Japanese built a women's center in Nanking, as a way of saying "sorry."

You can't srsly thing that this abomination is being built as a way of saying "sorry" that the 9/11 attacks happened.  Bad analogy.

No, I DON'T believe it is a way of saying "sorry," but the people building it seem to believe that.

I'm wondering if there's evidence that we can't trust these muzzies as opposed to my natural distrust of them.

180 I think if I ever visit NYC I just may have to spray paint a mohameeeeed cartoon on the side of that monstrosity.  And then relieve myself.  But I will do it in the name of peace, I promise.

181 182 Ehem, once again:  "Cordoba", "al Andaluz" -- look them the frak up!

182 Moderate muslims are about as comon as moderate democrats.

183 Andy Levy tweet: I give Eric Holder a pass for not reading the AZ immigration law. He's very busy coming up with new ways to avoid saying "radical Islam."

184

angler:

And I'm wondering just what it is that you have observed in the last several decades that would cause you doubt as to the motivations of the "religion of peace"


Well, I have zero trust for teh religion of tiny pieces, but these idiots seem more the fools than malicious.  It makes a difference to me, I suppose, that's all.

185 If I was a rabbi, I'd be demanding a lot right next to the mosque. The Jews should build a temple right there, too. I guarantee the muslims will cancel the project or have a fit.

Or just about anyone could build, say, a strip club, right next door.
Or...
Pig processing plant.
Liquor store.
Coffee house.
Military recruiters.

I'm sure there's more viable businesses that could go in right next door.

186

This best demonstrates the territorial nature of Islam. The very idea of building a mosque at Ground Zero is a manifestation of Islamic domination and expansionism.

It also illustrates the sad passiveness of New Yorkers.  sorry to say.

187 I say we do a 'seed the ground w/ bacon' op.

188 184 182 Ehem, once again:  "Cordoba", "al Andaluz" -- look them the frak up!

Posted by: unknown jane at May 14, 2010 03:21 PM (5/yRG)

This is a moron blog on a Friday afternoon.  Noone is here to do research assignments.

The short version is Cordoba was the Muslim capital of Spain in the 8th century, and the Islamists always talk of recapturing it when they're not busy executing homersexuals.  That this new mosque is called Cordoba is no coincidence.

189 Just when you think that these things couldn't possibly happen here they do.

I'm sick to my stomach.

I'm not advocating violence however, if  this mosque should accidentally burn down  I wouldn't shed a tear.

190 I'm sorry she lost her daughter, she also has apparently lost her mind.

Posted by: jewells at May 14, 2010 02:28 PM (l/N7H)

Stockholm Syndrome.

191

Jane,

I'm well aware of Cordoba's history, more so than you might imagine.  Largely from studying about the Order of Santiago and other military religious orders.

Listen, if it wasn't for the Tribeca FF thing, I'd think they were completely bullshitting.  But have you SEEN some of the movies they show at Tribeca?  I can't even watch that shit.

192 I'm not advocating violence

I am.

I'm advocating the shit out of it.

Also, I think NYPD and NYPD should go on strike.

193

I'm sorry, I also meant to say that this:

59 Now let's not jump to conclusions. The plan to put up the mosque might not be a Muslim one.

It could just be someone upset with Obamacare.


Was the thread winner.

194 Find out the financial supporters, start explaining the issue to them. The mosque go elsewhere.

195 Upon further reflection, New Yorkers' acceptance of this is not sad.  It is positively creepy.

196 Did anyone see Alan Colmes on with Megyn Kelly earlier?  He was there to discuss Stedman's refusal to tie the Times Square failed bomber to radical Islam.  Colmes position was that Stedman was perfectly correct, as terrorists who do this in the name of Islam are not Islamists because it is contrary to the teaching of  Islam.  So even though they say they are doing it in the name of Allah and Islam, they aren't.

OMG, he is as stupid as he is ugly.

Posted by: Miss Fluffy McNutter at May 14, 2010 02:45 PM (xMSXs)

The Brits started with this idiocy a couple of years ago, when they decided to call jihadi suicide bombings, "anti-muslim attacks", since they claimed that jihadis were harming islam by attacking others screaming "Allahu Ackbar".  Seriously.

197 "Someone also needs to tell her that Islam isn't a fucking race or ethnicity."

Wait til the census results roll around and see how many people identify their race as "Muslim".  They don't understand it the same way we do.

198 Or just about anyone could build, say, a strip club, right next door.
Or...
Pig processing plant.
Liquor store.
Coffee house.
Military recruiters.

I can see it now. The perfect combination business. A Strip Club/Restaurant that specializes in pork product entrees that you grill yourself (like the Strip Club in San Diego, but with real strippers) combined with a full bar, and business niches rented out to Armed Forces Recruiters, and with a video game parlor featuring live action shooting games based on Afghanistan and Iraq. We'll call it For the Men, or better yet KFC it and call it FTM and just let everyone guess what the initials stand for.

199
This isn't offensive.

But if your kid wears a t-shirt with the USA flag on it to school on May 5th...

200

Listen, I'm against the idea 100% on principle, and I'm probably getting conned by their slick packaging. But if they are legitimately trying, and are going to have GAY PR0N movies (essentially, Tribeca FF) there, how "pure" can the place be?

The mosque is real, the empty promise, not so much.

201 194  The thing isn't even built yet...how do you know they will show those films?  And better yet, how do you know the context of how they would show those films even if they did? ("this is an example of kaffir evil and decadence; this is why they must all be brought to the sword -- inschallah!)

202 I can see it now. The perfect combination business. A Strip Club/Restaurant that specializes in pork product entrees that you grill yourself (like the Strip Club in San Diego, but with real strippers) combined with a full bar, and business niches rented out to Armed Forces Recruiters, and with a video game parlor featuring live action shooting games based on Afghanistan and Iraq. We'll call it For the Men, or better yet KFC it and call it FTM and just let everyone guess what the initials stand for.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 14, 2010 03:34 PM (0q2P7) 

With private bunks.  Is it just a coincidence that a normal man's fantasy is anathema to crazy Mooslims?

203 A center will show that Muslims will be part of rebuilding lower Manhattan," said Khan, adding that Cordoba will be open to everyone.

That's a promise that will be broken before they lay the cornerstone. Any non-muzzie will be told in no uncertain terms that this is for "muslims only" unless some reporter shows up, where they'll be given the "we're open to all" mantra.

In London, PUBLIC pools in community centers are taken over and the dhimmis are told that the pool is "muslim only" as well as the community center, which is supposedly a public center like a city park.

204

The mosque is real, the empty promise, not so much.

Fair enough.  And BTW you're probably right.  I just wish to hope (in the real, not BHO sense), especially when it's inevitable.

Legally, there's about ZERO chance that this can be stopped.  Quite aside from the pusillanimousness of Bloomy and the council, RLUIPA provides "houses of worship" with what amounts to free reign over building on their properties.

205 I can see it now. The perfect combination business. A Strip Club/Restaurant that specializes in pork product entrees that you grill yourself (like the Strip Club in San Diego, but with real strippers) combined with a full bar, and business niches rented out to Armed Forces Recruiters, and with a video game parlor featuring live action shooting games based on Afghanistan and Iraq. We'll call it For the Men, or better yet KFC it and call it FTM and just let everyone guess what the initials stand for.

And the vents for the grills need to be fanned in the direction of the mosque 24/7.

Make sure the back door of the place is at the closest proximity to the mosque and hire the most incompetent, sloppy service possible to cart away the pork fat.

And, just for grins, Thursday is ladies night, women in burkas get in free.

206
it's weird how the names Sacco & Vanzetti keep popping up these last couple of weeks, eh?

I'm hearing the names all over the place.

207 Essentially, in almost areas, our governments are forcing vigilantism, after which those same governments will throw the book at any and all suspected vigilantes.  It is going to be very ugly, much in the name of political correctness, much in the name of the government claiming to be better than the citizenry, and much in the name of unabashed, white-guilt driven national suicide.

208 To all -

A synagogue in Mecca?  How 'bout just letting non-Muslims *in* to Mecca?

bonhomme -

The first two books of the book of Mormon are in the order they're in because, after Joseph Smith got done reading the images from his seer stones at the bottom of his hat to his first major convert, that convert took the manuscript home to show his wife.  The wife was the first major Mormon critic and asked to read it.  Later, the convert got nervous (he really wasn't supposed to show anyone) and asked for it back.  Of course, she "accidentally 'lost'" the manuscript.  However, she said, can't Smith just read the same thing off the seer stones again and get it back 100%?  Pretty clever, eh?

Yeah, well JS turned a trick on her.  When the convert informed Smith what had happened, Smith informed the convert that God was angry for the convert showing the wife the manuscript, and so they had to move on to the next book - which would be the same as the first book, only *told from a different point of view*.  Thus, it would be similar, but any discrepancies or differences could easily be explained away. 

Admitting she'd been bested, the wife eventually did turn the manuscript back over to Smith.

The situations are similar because the originator for these two belief systems were caught in a troubling situation that called their "infallibility" (with Muhammed, as the perfect prophet of Allah, and with Smith, as someone who was reading off two seer stones like Obama off a teleprompter).  Though, since Smith's death, there have been, literally, thousands of changes to the book of Mormon to correct not just grammatical errors but serious internal contradictions (and, not infrequently, to de-emphasize or eliminate various, troublesome - to modernist eyes - beliefs), which seem to just get passed over unnoticed by the followers of Smith.

We might actually see something of this with Muhammed - if the Germans would ever release those microfiche of the many different, extremely early, versions of the Koran that they were studying before - shoot, WWI or WWII?  Can't remember.  I think WWII.  Yeah, pretty sure that's it - because I think the story is everyone thought they were lost in the bombing of Germany, until they were re-discovered several years back.  The German academics won't release them, basically, out of fear that any changes noted in the Koran, and any subsequent criticism of Islam based on said changes, might enrage Muslims and get the scholars killed.

Mike the Moose - true, technically, but it is a belief that has found great use in both the Sunni and Shia branches (even though the Sunni scholars and imams still reject it, it is tolerated).  However, I do greatly appreciate your clarification.  Accuracy is necessary, good sir!

the sinner,

Patrick

209 93 Opposition to the mosque is racist.

I love how religion is now a race. 
Posted by: alexthechick at May 14, 2010 02:35 PM

This is another twisting of the language by the Orwellian leftists. They have to reconcile their opposition to organized religion with their love of enemies of America.

Therefore, Islam is not a religion in their world, it's a race. It matters not that the majority of their followers are caucasians, it matters that they're not of European descent.

210 But have you SEEN some of the movies they show at Tribeca?

What kind of fucking films do you think they'll be showing in a mosque? Nice films about their grievances, the Palestinian plight and more propaganda. You might see some Jews in a documentary denouncing their own.

I can't believe nobody's brought up "the Project," a 100-point plan cooked up by the Muslim Brotherhood.

211 bonhomme -

I think that South Park covered that little story in its surprisingly accurate "Mormon episode."  Sorta like how accurate it was in its "Scientology episode."

the sinner,

Patrick

212


Joseph Smith he went to town . . .

dum dum dum dum dum dum

213

Rather than focusing on terrorism as the sole method of group action, as is the case with Al-Qaeda, in perfect postmodern fashion the use of terror falls into a multiplicity of options available to progressively infiltrate, confront, and eventually establish Islamic domination over the West. The following tactics and techniques are among the many recommendations made in The Project:

Networking and coordinating actions between likeminded Islamist organizations; Avoiding open alliances with known terrorist organizations and individuals to maintain the appearance of "moderation"; Infiltrating and taking over existing Muslim organizations to realign them towards the Muslim Brotherhood's collective goals; Using deception to mask the intended goals of Islamist actions, as long as it doesn't conflict with shari'a law; Avoiding social conflicts with Westerners locally, nationally or globally, that might damage the long-term ability to expand the Islamist powerbase in the West or provoke a lash back against Muslims; Establishing financial networks to fund the work of conversion of the West, including the support of full-time administrators and workers; Conducting surveillance, obtaining data, and establishing collection and data storage capabilities; Putting into place a watchdog system for monitoring Western media to warn Muslims of "international plots fomented against them"; Cultivating an Islamist intellectual community, including the establishment of think-tanks and advocacy groups, and publishing "academic" studies, to legitimize Islamist positions and to chronicle the history of Islamist movements; Developing a comprehensive 100-year plan to advance Islamist ideology throughout the world; Balancing international objectives with local flexibility; Building extensive social networks of schools, hospitals and charitable organizations dedicated to Islamist ideals so that contact with the movement for Muslims in the West is constant; Involving ideologically committed Muslims in democratically-elected institutions on all levels in the West, including government, NGOs, private organizations and labor unions; Instrumentally using existing Western institutions until they can be converted and put into service of Islam; Drafting Islamic constitutions, laws and policies for eventual implementation; Avoiding conflict within the Islamist movements on all levels, including the development of processes for conflict resolution; Instituting alliances with Western "progressive" organizations that share similar goals; Creating autonomous "security forces" to protect Muslims in the West; Inflaming violence and keeping Muslims living in the West "in a jihad frame of mind"; Supporting jihad movements across the Muslim world through preaching, propaganda, personnel, funding, and technical and operational support; Making the Palestinian cause a global wedge issue for Muslims; Adopting the total liberation of Palestine from Israel and the creation of an Islamic state as a keystone in the plan for global Islamic domination; Instigating a constant campaign to incite hatred by Muslims against Jews and rejecting any discussions of conciliation or coexistence with them; Actively creating jihad terror cells within Palestine; Linking the terrorist activities in Palestine with the global terror movement; Collecting sufficient funds to indefinitely perpetuate and support jihad around the world;

214 dum dum dum dum dum dum

Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 03:47 PM (UaxA0)

I laughed myself silly.

Notice no censoring of images of the Prophet Joe Smith.

215

Again, I'm happy, desirous really, to see that these heathens are pulling this infidel's leg.  I just wondered if anyone had any specific evidence agaisnt this passel of idiots.

ace said he KNEW where the money was coming from.  If it's Soros, I have trouble believing that these are anything but deluded muslim fools.

Obviously if its Saudi money (from teh check Cynthia McKinney asked for), then I'll know what to think of the project.

216

I don't know why anyone finds this so suprising that the majority of the public would allow a mosque to be built just yards away from ground zero. 

We elected a zero with the name Barrack Hussein who had two fathers who were Muslim and who hung out with muslims while in college and traveled to Pakistan and had his admission and possible tutition paid by a muslim to Harvard.  We elected this man soon after 9/11 and during the peak of our war in Iraq.  

No this is not a suprise any longer.

Posted by: polynikes at May 14, 2010 03:39 PM (m2CN7)

Sigh.

217 Executive director Daisy Khan insists it's staying put.

I thought Khan's wife was killed by the ear slugs

218 ace said he KNEW where the money was coming from.  If it's Soros, I have trouble believing that these are anything but deluded muslim fools.

Obviously if its Saudi money (from teh check Cynthia McKinney asked for), then I'll know what to think of the project.

Posted by: s'moron at May 14, 2010 03:49 PM (UaxA0) 

Don't think  that was ace's hash, but I can't swear to it; why would he be coy about the source?  I'm thinking it's Saudi money.

219 Jean said, " Joe Smith had a revelation that bigamy was OK, after he was confronted in the sack with a farmers' daughter -- which in early 1800s might have gotten you shot.

I don't know where you heard/read this, but I firmly believe it to be false. I'm familiar with most claims against the LDS church and if this claim had merit it would be the first bullet point on every tract and website devoted to the topic.

Usually on this topic the tone is simply that polygamy can be nothing other than powerful men taking advantage of women. I believe this argument to be flawed. Prophets of old practiced polygamy when commanded to.  Abraham and Jacob both practiced polygamy.  I don't believe father Abraham to be an evil lecher, and nor do I believe Joseph Smith was either. 

 

220 I thought Khan's wife was killed by the ear slugs

Posted by: kbdabear at May 14, 2010 03:52 PM (sYxEE)

We hates the Kirk, we hates it forever!

221 Al Alawi, for example, was supposedly "moderate" too, and anti-terrorism, until he turned into the new top Cantor of Carnage for Al Qaeda.

I've heard this definition of a "moderate" muslim

A moderate muslim is one who is temporarily out of ammo

222

Upscale Community Organizing Thought Criminal

How's that crescent memorial coming along?

223 And, just for grins, Thursday is ladies night, women in burkas get in free.

And get a free beer with whiskey chaser, and a Blutwurst on a hotdog bun.

224 All the Morons and Moronettes in New York need to start walking their dogs to the proposed site. This site needs to be absolutely drenched in dog tinkle.

225 225 I thought Khan's wife was killed by the ear slugs

Posted by: kbdabear at May 14, 2010 03:52 PM (sYxEE)

We hates the Kirk, we hates it forever!

Posted by: Shere Khan at May 14, 2010 03:54 PM

I loved to watch him boogie

226 I thought Khan's wife was killed by the ear slugs

Posted by: kbdabear at May 14, 2010 03:52 PM (sYxEE)

We hates the Kirk, we hates it forever!

Posted by: Shere Khan at May 14, 2010 03:54 PM

I loved to watch him boogie

Posted by: Chaka Khan at May 14, 2010 03:57 PM (sYxEE)

"What they gonna do to us with that tar, nails and shingles?"

"They gonna RUFUS!"

227 Seriously?

You're comparing Mormonism to Islam?

That's the most idiotic thing I've read around here in a while. And there's is some seriously stupid shit that passes for comments.

228 Listen, if it wasn't for the Tribeca FF thing, I'd think they were completely bullshitting.  But have you SEEN some of the movies they show at Tribeca?  I can't even watch that shit.

They'll be showing movies as long as they're not offensive to Islam

Name something they're NOT offended by.

229 Yeah, right. There'll be a mosque at Ground Zero when there's a Muslim in the White House. Oh, wait...

230 Who give a shit about this mosque shit?!  Heinz is changing the formula for the most condiment every produced on the planet, Heinz Ketchup!  Lower salt content.  Eat me Heinz.  I'm heading to Costco toute suite.

231 bonhomme, I'm having trouble coming up with a "prophet of old" who was commanded to practice polygamy. About the only thing I can come up with was the provision for childless widows, that the deceased's brother would take the widow as his wife and the resulting children would be regarded as children of the deceased. If the brother was already married, this would result in polygamy.

232 Excuse me, most perfect condiment ever.

I am upset.

233 236 Who give a shit about this mosque shit?!  Heinz is changing the formula for the most condiment every produced on the planet, Heinz Ketchup!  Lower salt content.  Eat me Heinz.  I'm heading to Costco toute suite.
Posted by: mpfs at May 14, 2010 04:01 PM

The taste of salt in that cheesesteak sandwich is SEARED into my memory

234 Heinz is changing the formula for the most condiment every produced on the planet, Heinz Ketchup!

I just buy what's on sale.

235 I just buy what's on sale.
Posted by: damian

Please hand in your moron card.

236 Be a shame if someone were to pour some pork lard on the site before construction really gets going. Pork Lard: It's biodegradable.

237

You know what's an insult? Covering the head of Saddam Hussein's statue with an American flag, after the American Army defeated Saddam's forces and liberated Baghdad from that murdering son of a bitch.

I know that was insulting because they said so on TV.

238 236 Who give a shit about this mosque shit?!  Heinz is changing the formula for the most condiment every produced on the planet, Heinz Ketchup!  Lower salt content.  Eat me Heinz.  I'm heading to Costco toute suite.
Posted by: mpfs at May 14, 2010 04:01 PM

Salt is offensive to muslims, therefore I'm banning it in NYC. I do not want the muslims in their shiny new tower to feel intimidated by ketchup packets laden with demon salt

239 Please hand in your moron card.

Posted by: mpfs at May 14, 2010 04:08 PM (QuP9W)

Whoa.  Confiscating moron cards based on condiment selection?  I could see an argument that avoiding Heinz-Kerry ketchup is worthy of bestowal(?) of a moron card.

240
Does that mean we [Catholics] can now build a cathedral in Riyadh?

No. I didn't think so.

I'll believe they believe in tolerance when churches can be built in Saudi Arabia.

241 ... and when it opens: Pork Lard filled Water balloons. Tied off with bacon. Seriously, all you need is ham cubes and a slingshot.

242 Does that mean we [Catholics] can now build a cathedral in Riyadh?

No. I didn't think so.

I'll believe they believe in tolerance when churches can be built in Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Steve (aka Ed Snate) at May 14, 2010 04:09 PM (R7x5o)

I'm thinking a closer analogy would be a McDonalds.  Or a Joooo-owned bank.

243 I'll believe they believe in tolerance when churches can be built in Saudi Arabia.

Hell, I'll settle for them not beheading Christians.

244 mpur - he wasn't comparing the two - but the process of progress revelation

245 Heinz ketchup is the single most perfect condiment that God ever made.  On the 7th day when the Big Guy rested he put Heinz ketchup on his scrambled eggs.  To tinker with God's condiment is to bring Armageddon upon us.

246 Heinz ketchup is the single most perfect condiment that God ever made.  On the 7th day when the Big Guy rested he put Heinz ketchup on his scrambled eggs.  To tinker with God's condiment is to bring Armageddon upon us.

Posted by: mpfs at May 14, 2010 04:13 PM (QuP9W)

I'm a big fan of ketchup, but Heinz ketchup?  You know who you're supporting, right?  Drop off your moron card on the way out.

247 It seems OK to me.

248 mpur - he wasn't comparing the two - but the process of progress revelation

Even so, the comparisons are not the same.

And are not relevant. Every religion and mythology has their origins shrouded in some sort of divine mystery.

So why bring up Mormonism as a comparison? Easy target or what?

249

Yay, another mormon thread. What we really need is another visit from Christoph to put all you flame warriors some knowledge

250 FUBAR,
I'm sorry but I just can't do it.

I will go into moron exile

251

shit, Ed Snate!

All the morons are coming out of the woodwork. 

Who else did I see the other day?


_(hobgoblin)

252

There's one thing we can use to fight Radical Islam, and that's Mormonism.

The Mormons have this neat tradition that says anyone can be posthumously converted to their religion. That's why they have Family Research Centers all over the place -- so you can trace your family tree, convert them to the Mormon faith, and eventually they'll go to Heaven. (Sorry to any Mormons out there if I got any of that wrong.)

So let them build their supermosque; we know why they're really doing it but we lack the will to stop them. But also let the Mormons build a Family Research Center across the street to serve as a warning: Any member of the Religion of Peace who decides to not be so peaceful any more becomes LDS in a heartbeat.

(I may have said this before, but I feel uninhibited about such things today.)

253

 All the Morons and Moronettes in New York need to start walking their dogs to the proposed site. This site needs to be absolutely drenched in dog tinkle.    Posted by: Mindy at May 14, 2010 03:57 PM (Whd7Y)

That's all well and fine for your dogs but if you want too really make them go Bat Fucking Shit Nuts slaughter some pigs on the site. They hate us anyway so lets have some fun with it.

254 You and your arguing about your different flying spaghetti monsters!  Can't we just go back to talking about banning cereal and toy ads, and how you're all racist homophobes for opposing Kagan?

255


Even so, the comparisons are not the same.

And are not relevant. Every religion and mythology has their origins shrouded in some sort of divine mystery.


It was a direct analogy.  In both cases the "prophet" forgot what he had said earlier and was required to refine or replace the prior message instead of replicate it.

Polar opposites on how the followers turned out, but identical situation.  Mohammad was just illiterate, whereas Smith just wanted a "witness"

256 mpur -

Yeah, what Jean said.  It was more of a methodological critique and a comparison of the troubles both techniques encountered.  I have absolutely no belief, whatsoever, that Mormons are gonna start bombing innocents.  (The Salamander letters issue aside!  And, yeah, that's really a little more of a joke than an actual "comparison," so take it easy . . .)

bonhomme -

How 'bout the one about Joseph Smith being arrested for, and convicted of, fraud?  For bilking an old man out of a bunch of money by claiming he could find buried "Indian treasure" in Indian burial mounds?  His conviction was actually found in old court records.

Don't know about the one about being caught with someone's daughter.  However, given the NT, his declaration of polygamy was most certainly a change to Christianity.

the sinner,

Patrick

257 18 This came up on the ONT last night, so doesn't that  make this the third post?  And I still say we need a moron meetup at this mosque around 9/10 of next year.  Lots of bacon.

Posted by: Bomber at May 14, 2010 02:08 PM (qzoN5)

Nothing like a good piece of hickory.

258 That's all well and fine for your dogs but if you want too really make them go Bat Fucking Shit Nuts slaughter some pigs on the site. They hate us anyway so lets have some fun with it.

Supersoakers + pig's blood = pissed off Muslims.

259

See, the mosque won't be a problem, I feel, but I'd like to trash talk some Mormons instead.

Because i don't think the mosque is an offense, till someone can prove it is.

 

260

Wah fucking wah, s'mormon

261 I'm sorry but I just can't do it.

I will go into moron exile

Posted by: mpfs at May 14, 2010 04:17 PM (QuP9W)

Really.  So it's not just ketchup, but a particular brand of ketchup, that's more important to you than the Moron Nation.

For shaaaaame.

262 bonhomme - shadow or reality is the book to start with. IIRC in 1831 he was caught with a farmers daughter and the locals were going to castrate him. Then a revelation, and all sorts of tomfoolery followed.

263 Can anyone prove the mosque is a problem? I can't see any problem.

264

but the poor LDS with his magic underwear in a wad is right, this is a muzzie thread. 

265 Can anyone prove the mosque is a problem? I can't see any problem.

Posted by: so'moron at May 14, 2010 04:24 PM (aE/nJ)

Good for you.  Go somewhere else and celebrate your dhimmitude, would you?

266

Can anyone prove the mosque is a problem? I can't see any problem.

Can you prove your question is serious? I can't see any seriousness in it.

267 bonhomme - shadow or reality is the book to start with. IIRC in 1831 he was caught with a farmers daughter and the locals were going to castrate him. Then a revelation, and all sorts of tomfoolery followed.


You know none of that, true or false, is relevant to the modern Mormon church, right?

268

Patrick,

I thought the South Park episode was funny, but I don't think it's terribly accurate. You seem to be familiar with the story, but I'd ask you to read the same from a LDS perspective here.

Harris wanted to prove to his wife that he wasn't wasting his time with Smith.  He pestered Smith to give him the manuscript to show to her.  Smith kept praying to God to ask permission, who kept saying no, until the third time.  God allowed the pages to go out, using the theft to chasten Smith.  Smith was disallowed the ability to translate until he repented thoroughly.

Joseph Smith was commanded not to retranslate the 116 pages because the people who had stolen them from Martin Harris altered their copy.  They were going to use the altered copy to "prove" that Smith wasn't really a prophet by pointing out the discrepancies. 

269 mpur -

What s'moron said.

Your point is not valid.  A comparison regarding the actions of the followers was neither the intent nor the subject of the post.  A comparison of claimed revelatory methodologies is more than appropriate - given the similarity of issues that followed said claimed methodologies. 

Look, I had no intention of turning this into a "rip into Mormonism" session.  However, I made one observation, someone asked me to elaborate, I did, and now those who haven't followed the thread from the beginning are taking offense and trying to dispute the point without understanding the origin of the point.  Please be more careful before stepping into a conversation you clearly haven't followed from the beginning.  If you had, you would have realized that the intent was in no way aimed at painting Mormonism with the same brush as Islam - the two are very, very different in the vast majority of respects.

As illustrated hereinabove, sir, it is also clear that there are similarities in some respects - if not in actual theology, in, as stated before, the claimed revelatory methodologies insofar as the issues they present.

the sinner,

Patrick

270

Hey cocksmoker, don't you have some young boys to "home teach" or something?

Maybe some 11 year old girls to marry off & impregnate.  The LDS church isn't going to get bigger with converts alone.



If you read above jagoff, you'll see I DON'T want the mosque, but would like to know if these tools are just fools or are more sinister minded.

271 Supersoakers + pig's blood = pissed off Muslims.

You'll have to thin it and combine some anticoagulant to get it through the spritzing mechanism. Just giving pointers.

272

The super-mosque -- the world's largest Temple of Murder -- is set to open on the ten-year anniversary of 9/11 -- September 11, 2011.

You gotta be fucking kidding.

273 Please note that s'MORMON (so'moron) ain't me.

274 Please, help me see if there is anything wrong with building this mosque, since I can't understand why it would be. That's why I've been asking the same questions through out the whole thread.

275 exactly mpur - were talking about the process of progressive revelation. The Mormons are an evolving religion; it just so happens that they are doing it in a particularly well documented era and had some fairly colorful characters in their infancy.

276

What's wrong, mormon, you run out of boy scouts to diddle?

277 As long as they don't plan on serving any salty foods or transfats, the builders of the mosque shouldn't have any problems.  But fry up a cheeseburger and the fiery wrath of Bloomberg shall rain upon thee...

278 Please, help me see if there is anything wrong with pissing on the graves of you filthy Zionists, since I can't understand why it would be. That's why I've been asking the same questions through out the whole thread.

279 As illustrated hereinabove, sir, it is also clear that there are similarities in some respects - if not in actual theology, in, as stated before, the claimed revelatory methodologies insofar as the issues they present.

Excuse me for not reading 200+ posts in order to get to the true meaning of your oh so enlightened point.

You can also compare the revlatory mythologies of every religion on earth, but Mormonism is an easy target. Especially when you have South Park doing the in-depth research for you.

I withdraw my comments.Incidentially, I'm not Mormon, just in case you were making that assumption.

And, because you're an arrogant prick, you can suck my balls. (That's funny, see, because I'm a chick)

280 283

What's wrong, mormon, you run out of boy scouts to diddle?

Wait, now I'm confused.  Are we talking about Catholics now or is it still just Muslims and Mormons?

281 You'll have to thin it and combine some anticoagulant to get it through the spritzing mechanism. Just giving pointers.

I believe water with just a drop of pigs blood would meet the criteria.

Not as awesomely messy, though.

282

nice strawman you got there, shame if it were to get shot twice in the back (while breaking out of a jail cell in Carthage)

283 Delay their lease until the Freedom Tower One World Trade Center is finished in 2013.

284 All the morons are coming out of the woodwork.

Hobgoblin, that's where I've been living since the gum'mint foreclosed on my house.

Nice digs, if you can deal with the termites.

285


Wait, now I'm confused.  Are we talking about Catholics now or is it still just Muslims and Mormons

Boy Scouts are an ecumenical organization

286 I can't be too hasty about the mosque. There's no reason to lose our heads about this.

287

The worst part of this is, some 'public servant' at Tammany City Hall said, "Hey, that sounds like a swell idea!"

I D I O T S.

288

You'll have to thin it and combine some anticoagulant to get it through the spritzing mechanism. Just giving pointers.      Posted by: MikeTheMoose at May 14, 2010 04:28 PM (0q2P7)

That's why I said slaighter some pigs on the site. I used to play mind games with the VC and these goat fuckers are a lot easier screw with. All you have to know is what scares them and is againts their reiglon. Like I said, easy.

289

ah, weak sauce, (aE/nJ).

you can't even hang.


good luck with your sister tonight, though.  She's worth the effort, let me tell you.

290 281 Posted by: so'moron at May 14, 2010 04:31 PM (aE/nJ) You have obviously been so busy posting your "questions" that you have missed reading the answers.

291 Old Hippie Vet, Then we have a BARBEQUE!

292 Joe,

Please note that (aE/nJ) is some disgruntled mormon who is socking my nic (a real no-no, loser).

My only question was not whether this was a good thing to do (obv. not from my perspective, but a mormon never let the truth get in his way), but whether these guys were sincere fools or enemy plants.

293 That's why I said slaighter some pigs on the site. I used to play mind games with the VC and these goat fuckers are a lot easier screw with. All you have to know is what scares them and is againts their reiglon. Like I said, easy.

Yeah I had that idea last night, but some one pointed out the logistics of sneaking pigs into downtown Manhattan.

Of course, I was being ambitious and planning on slaughtering 100 pigs inside the mosque the day before it was dedicated, but I suppose I could scale back a bit.

294

Then we have a BARBEQUE!     Posted by: Mindy at May 14, 2010 04:47 PM (Whd7Y)

I'm a dissabled Vet but I would travel for that!

295 bonhomme -

To be fair, I don't place a lot of faith in LDS versions of history (Mountain Medow Massacre, anyone?  Or the sort of *down-the-memory-whole* issue regarding "God having been a man like us at one point in time").  In my *opinion*, the LDS church has a pretty well documented history of blatantly ignoring, or altering, history of the sake of their own publications or versions (and, just for the record, though I'm not saying you're accusing me of this, the whole story we're talking about was familiar to me LONG before South Park even existed).  Again, the Salamander letters situation is a good example - though proven to be forgeries after the fact, the LDS church was only to eager to snatch them up, at first, which definitely gives one the right to, reasonably, speculate that the motivation was very likely "hey, these letters might just possibly be something Smith wrote/said!"  This despite the fact that the contents of the letters were *clearly* outside of anything ever put forth in any document/writing of LDS leaders up to that point.

That the original manuscript was "altered" is a very contestable issue and, from what I've studied, I've seen little evidence of such a claim arising *at the time* it happened.  This claim seems to be, to me, more of a story that developed later in time.

The point here is that Smith encountered an issue that should not have arisen given the claimed revelatory methodology.  Smith claimed to simply be reading off the seer stones, as if off, for example, a tv screen.  The idea that God would deny him the ability to simply re-read the seer stones to re-dictate the book in question requires one to believe the veracity of Smith's claim regarding the prohibition.  Or, following the version you've stated, to believe that the original dictated manuscript was altered.  Either way, one necessarily must presume the validity of Smith's claims.  If we do not allow for skepticism regarding this point for the sake of this discussion, then we must also forbid any skepticism regarding Muhammed's claim that any seeming contradiction between revelations were merely the result of the foolishness of the hearers who didn't understand that later revelations are "more perfect." 

Don't get me wrong - I grew up in a heavily Mormon town, and have a lot a respect for the decency of the vast majority of Mormons!  Or, can I pull out the "I have a lot of Mormon friends" thing here?  Hehehehehe . . . In all seriousness, I think I understand where you're coming from, but I most certainly have my reasons for disagreeing - reasons based on traceable, verifiable, documented evidence.  I also understand the LDS version, and how this is taught within the LDS community.

I think I'd just like to leave this little thread here.  I don't believe going much further, at least *in this forum,* is appropriate.  I'm sure we could find a place to discuss this more fully, though!

the sinner,

Patrick

296 Can anyone prove the mosque is a problem? I can't see any problem.

Posted by: so'moron at May 14, 2010 04:24 PM (aE/nJ)

Living is easy with eyes closed

Misunderstanding all you see

297

To Mindy,

Jacob had three wives at the same time: Leah, Bilhah and Zilpah. See Genesis 3:4,9.

Abram (later Abraham) was married to Sarai (later Sarah) and Hagar at the same time. See Genesis 16:1-3.

The Bible doesn't specifically say that these men were commanded to take multiple wives, but Abraham was a righteous man. He would not have done a major unrighteous thing like be a polygamist without commandment.  Unrighteous men do not get praised like this: Romans 4:13, "It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."

 

298 Don't get me wrong - I grew up in a heavily Mormon town, and have a lot a respect for the decency of the vast majority of Mormons!  Or, can I pull out the "I have a lot of Mormon friends" thing here?  Hehehehehe . . . In all seriousness, I think I understand where you're coming from, but I most certainly have my reasons for disagreeing - reasons based on traceable, verifiable, documented evidence.  I also understand the LDS version, and how this is taught within the LDS community.

So, in essence, you are claiming to have vastly superior understanding of Mormonism than someone actually raised in the faith.

Patrick, they name is arrogance.

I'm sure we could find a place to discuss this more fully, though!

By all means, please do.

299

Of course, I was being ambitious and planning on slaughtering 100 pigs inside the mosque the day before it was dedicated, but I suppose I could scale back a bit.     Posted by: mpur in Texas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at May 14, 2010 04:49 PM (iBTj9)

You have to slaughter them on the ground before any constrution starts and let the blood work it's way into the ground....and dead gutted pigs on the ground will  put a knot in their turbans which is a plus and will be fun to watch.

If the mosque gets built....then you go with the big bang plan.

300

So, in essence, you are claiming to have vastly superior understanding of Mormonism than someone actually raised in the faith.


At least for the LDS faith, I think a well-versed outsider would learn quite a bit more than the typical member who was raised in the faith.

Not doctrine, mind you, but certainly the full scope of the founding history.

301

Please, help me see if there is anything wrong with building this mosque, since I can't understand why it would be. That's why I've been asking the same questions through out the whole thread.

I still doubt your seriousness in asking this. You can demonstrate it by accepting the onus for answering the inverse of your own question.

You see, site selection is never an accident. "Location" is the only word people insist on saying three times in a row; I'm sure you've heard people say that. Even crappy stores like Dollar General have specific criteria for the placement of their stores -- which towns to locate them in, where in these towns, and on which side of the street.

So, are you saying that this congregation of Muslims is unique in that the venue for its mosque was selected randomly or accidentally? If not, then why is it such a good idea for them to put the mosque right there?

(Or you can demonstrate that you're an unoriginal troll by asking your same question yet again. Really, you're starting to bore me.)

302 The sad thing is, they'll probably get this Mosque built before ground is broken on the 9/11 memorial, the way NYC is dragging its feet.

303

Firehorse,

he's trolling ME.  it's a different commenter (note hash).

He's NOT serious, he's putting words in my mouth with a similar looking-sockpuppet.


In other words, the guy's an ass.

(and it's my understanding that teh mosque is on the site of the same guy's former storefront mosque that was destroyed on 9/11 along with everything else down there.  in other words, he was there before Al Q destroyed the towers, and might well be bitter himself.  Or he could be a plant and crypto-sympathizer.  That's what I'm trying to figure out)

304 mpur -

I'll try to avoid the path you've taken and keep this as civil as possible.

First - yeah, I may very well know more about the history and beliefs of Mormonism than some Mormons.  I know this to be true - I've met many who didn't know many things about their own faith (of course, these types exist in EVERY religious tradition) and, especially, didn't know much about the *history* of their own faith outside of what was told to them by LDS church elders.  Things like Smith being arrested for and convicted of fraud, the aforementioned Mountain Meadow Massacre, etc.

Second - you've got the quote wrong.  It should read "Arrogance, thy name is Patrick."  Which very well could lead one to make some claims about your own arrogance and lack of intelligence . . .

Third - for someone who makes a sarcastic comment ("by all means, please do") your evident distaste for the discussion at hand sure hasn't stopped you from putting in your half-cent's worth now, has it?

Please, if you can't offer something intelligent and applicable, or even just applicable, to the discussion, just stay out of it.

the sinner,

Patrick

305

it's a different commenter (note hash).

Yup. That's why I wasn't addressing him by name.

A total ass, true true. I never understood the trolls. I'm guessing most of them are 11-year-old loners who aren't old enough to stalk girls yet.

306 I wonder how many times it will have to burn down before they can't get insurance any more?

307 First - yeah, I may very well know more about the history and beliefs of Mormonism than some Mormons.  I know this to be true - I've met many who didn't know many things about their own faith (of course, these types exist in EVERY religious tradition) and, especially, didn't know much about the *history* of their own faith outside of what was told to them by LDS church elders.  Things like Smith being arrested for and convicted of fraud, the aforementioned Mountain Meadow Massacre, etc.

I'm married to a Mormon and my extended family is Mormon, and trust me, they are well aware of their own history, including the examples you cite. They are also intimately familiar with traditions of the church that are not readily available with a quick Google search.

Second - you've got the quote wrong.  It should read "Arrogance, thy name is Patrick."  Which very well could lead one to make some claims about your own arrogance and lack of intelligence . . .

That was deliberate, but you have obviously missed my point. Perhaps "troll, they name is Patrick" would be more accurate. Make what ever claims you like, you'll be wrong,

Third - for someone who makes a sarcastic comment ("by all means, please do") your evident distaste for the discussion at hand sure hasn't stopped you from putting in your half-cent's worth now, has it?

My distaste isn't all that evident or you would realize that it's your arrogance that pisses me off, not the subject.

Please, if you can't offer something intelligent and applicable, or even just applicable, to the discussion, just stay out of it.

Please, don't bother responding here, I'm done troll baiting. Save it for your diary, Skippy.

308 BURN THIS MOTHERFUCKER TO THE GROUND!!!

309

If they can put a McDonald's at Mauthausen, a mosque at the WTC doesn't seem that crazy.

http://tinyurl.com/26h27c2

The world's just a screwed up place.

310 I think it's brilliant.  Now Homeland Security can have them all in one spot when they finally get around to raiding a group other than Christians.

311 #109  s'moron

According to a Muslim woman (name I don't remember but I have seen her before as an anti-Islamic terror Iranian) the father of the guy starting this building is a long-time member of the Muslim Brotherhood,  the oldest jihadist and terror group in the Middle East.   She was on Fox.

The Moslem spokesperson on opposite her didn't deny this.  He just said that "the sins of the fathers shouldn't fall on the sons."  That is crap,  because those families either all believe the same or dissenters are whacked.

This is a big "HAHAHA" for the Muslim world.  Don't think that they don't pay attention to stuff like this.  They do, and they gloat over stuff like this.

Plus,  I don't want a large gathering of these people anywhere in the USA,  let alone New York.  They use the freedom of religion clause to hide their activities, which often include plans for further terror acts.

Personally,  I would like them driven out of this country.  I am no longer very tolerant.

312

@197: "Upon further reflection, New Yorkers' acceptance of this is not sad.  It is positively creepy."

More like high comedy. As Mark Steyn said in his book, America Alone, the West has been desperately searching for someone, *anyone* to surrender to, and Islam decided "Why not us?"

Put another way, one historian described the battle between Japanese kamikazes and US sailors off Okinawa as "Gunners who fought to live against pilots who fought to die"

The war between Islam and the West is between "A civilization wanting to die against a civilization fighting to die."

313 Pamela Gellar rocked the Sean Hannity Show.

Christie/Gellar 2016

314 Stopped reading your post about halfway Ace, what specious b.s. It's a house of worship in America. Get over it.

315 According to a Muslim woman (name I don't remember but I have seen her before as an anti-Islamic terror Iranian) the father of the guy starting this building is a long-time member of the Muslim Brotherhood,  the oldest jihadist and terror group in the Middle East.   She was on Fox.

Her name is Brigitte Gabriel.

"The imam who is basically spearheading this, is his father came out of Muslim Brotherhood, the oldest terrorist organization in the world. He was with the Muslim Brotherhood with Ayman al-Zawahiri, the second man of Al Qaeda."

316 It's a symbol the same way planting your flag in the ground is a symbol.

317 The Muslim Brotherhood has a 100-year plan to dominate and infiltrate the west.  Thousands of mosques around the US, the overtaking of an entire town in Michigan, and this mosque is just the beginning.

318 mpur So, in essence, you are claiming to have vastly superior understanding of Mormonism than someone actually raised in the faith. Patrick, they name is arrogance.

I call "Orientalist Fallacy" on mpur. mpur, thy name is Edward Said.

Someone who researches a faith from outside it often, in fact always has a better handle on it than one who is emotionally invested in it.

Sorry, mpur; I like your posts in general, but you have FAILed this thread.

319 mpur So, in essence, you are claiming to have vastly superior understanding of Mormonism than someone actually raised in the faith. Patrick, they name is arrogance.

I call "Orientalist Fallacy" on mpur. mpur, thy name is Edward Said.

Someone who researches a faith from outside it often, in fact always has a better handle on it than one who is emotionally invested in it.

Sorry, mpur; I like your posts in general, but you have FAILed this thread.

I disagree. I have a unique perspective of being outside the faith while also having knowledge of what occurs within the faith.

Which is neither here nor there, my issue was the gratuitous introduction of Mormonism into a thread which had nothing to do with Mormonism. As far as the revelatory methods, I pointed out several times that you can draw those conclusions from any religion on the planet, yet it seems that mocking the Mormons is always the default position.. Further, all of the arguments made and the examples cited were lifted straight from a number of Internet sites, easily found through Google, and mostly dedicated to tearing down Mormonism at every turn.

And finally, the pseudo-intellectual presentation of tired, worn out arguments is what really pisses me off. "You can't dispute what I say because I'm far superior to you intellectually as evidenced by my pretentious writing style." And if you do challenge me I will a) insult your intelligence; and, b) prop up my plagiarized arguments with a personal example of how I "know" or "lived with" [insert subject matter here].

Call it a fail if you will. I'm not gonna lose any sleep over it.

320 WTF?

Ace  posting BEFORE 3:00PM ?  Holy shit, I betting on red.

321 oops I meant to say, ACE double posting before 3:00

322 yeah but until you convince me its a bad idea i'll remanin convinced it's harmless.

323 *** "If the Germans opened a Bach choral society across from Auschwitz, even after all these years, that would be an insensitive setting." ***

Those other examples are OK, but I'm not sure that a Bach society next to Auschwitz would be insensitive. Bach had nothing to do with the Holocaust, and Jews were not murdered in the name of Bach.

Muslims, however, are just the type to pull this kind of shit. The Swiss got it right.

324 Cartago baconda est!

(or delenda - whichever)

325 The more cynical among us might think that this is a transparent attempt by a nasty segment of the Muslim community to inflict another wound on New York, and by extension the West, by exploiting the fact that our multi-cultural pieties will make it impossible for us to respond. And the more alarmist among us might think that a success in this arena would only reinforce the notion of the supremacy of Islam that is at the root of so much Islamic extremism. Of course, what if this is a true olive branch and a real example of moderate Islamic solidarity with the West and peaceful toleranceness? Fortunately, there is a simple test we can perform to see if--as we accept a Mosque at ground zero--that moderate Muslims can accept at the same site one of the most cherished parts or our culture. I'm talking, of course, about bacon. I suggest that we begin by sprinkling the site with bacon bits. We don't need any organization to do this--no demonstrations, no large groups. Anyone can do it with the bacon bits available at any grocery store. Let's shower the site with bacon and let the tolerance begin. Perhaps these well-intentioned moderates will have something to teach us.

326 There needs to be a 14-story synagogue across the street and a BBQ joint next door with a big neon pig sign and at lunchtime a person in a pig costume on the sidewalk giving out fliers and dancing around all goofy. Not just throwing away perfectly good bacon and pork. It should be hanging in the window next to the mosque. When they blast the call to prayer five times a day ("the most beautiful sound in the world") the guy in the pig costume should kneel and face Mecca. Besides the BBQ and the synagogue, there should be a gay disco and a lingerie shop. That whole fucking block should look like Sodom and Gomorrah meets Bladerunner, in other words, Times Square in the seventies. We'll give them their fucking caliphate and also pick out the moderates from the radicals. Religion of fucking peace.

327 You stupid, indogenous bunch. There are proofs about 9/11 and yet you still believe that story about Muslim terrorist.s Pity

328 340 You stupid, indogenous bunch. There are proofs about 9/11 and yet you still believe that story about Muslim terrorist.s Pity Posted by: Jackie at May 15, 2010 12:16 PM (m9Qam) The pity is I cannot write in the pigscratch written in the ME or I'd be all over your blogs blowing smoke up yer ass as well.

329 Just burn it to the ground. Its what THEY do when people do things they don't like.

330 Wow ... the new mosque is called "Cordoba House". Guess what was the name of the capital of the last Caliphate established in exile in 921 AD by the Damascus Umayyads who founded the first Caliphate? Cordoba. They don't even try to hide their intentions, do they?

331 Americunts are getting a bit butthurt over this. Let's not forget that hundreds of the victims of 9/11 were Muslim. Just because 19 Muslims committed the heinous attacks does not give whites the right to discriminate against the one billion of us who are peaceful.

332

What an outrage that a memorial to the Sep 11 terrorists is built faster than a memorial to their victims.

What's wrong with this picture?

333

Where do I start? Does anyone remember how they felt to watch this travesti over and over again on 9/11? I do but obviously alot of people have forgot. Remember when the news channels watched and televised people falling from the air and fire flowing from the towers and then one tower after the next fell. They fell with loved one's and hero's that won't have the chance to be there when the're needed again. My sorrows went out to the families and each of you know that your hearts broke that day. So with that being in your mind do you really believe that anything good could come of this mosque. In 1775 we as a country announced our independence from the red coats, don't tread on me was their slogan and, we went to war all men took up arms and, drew a line in the sand and, we fought. What did we fight for?  I believe that we fought to be a country of pride and freedom but in todays world that is lost. Lost in the over rule of  political dimwits who instead of recoginizing a white glove being slapped across our faces they seem to see $$$ and believe this is an act of remorse. HAHAHA. Where is the line drawn between church and state again? In the muslim culture isn't that where most the plans and recuitment of soldiers to carrier out the devilish deeds at hand. I believe we did the same to get militia men to fight the red coats and again in the civil war (both sides). My running on has gotten the best of me. On a parting note well more like a few questions.

1) If your were going to take down a country with less advanced weapons would you do it from inside or out?

2) How many mosque are in the United States alone and how many loyalist are there here?

3) When is the best time to attack a country at war when our force a focused in a different country fighting the same war?

Good question to roll around and now ask yourself is this for real. Very real maybe thank God for those who still carry side arm on their hips. God bless American tis the land of liberty.   

334

THIS IS CRAZY UNBELIEVABLE, OK LETS BUILD A GERMAN NAZI SOMETHING IN THE SAME LOT AS A JEWISH NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT WOULD GO OVER WELL....

I DON'T GET IT....AMERICA LAND OF THE FREE BUT COME ON ENOUGH IS ENOUGH CAN WE STAND FOR SOMETHING..IN MEMORY OF....

335 The people that support this are the same kind of people that would let a murdering, rapist, pedifile babysit their children. I can not even call your retards because I think you have less brains capacity than those with the disability.

336 If this goes through I will personally go there and burn the MF'er to the ground.

337

if we the american people allow this devil church of theires to be built there at ground zero i will be so damed ashamed to be called an american and yes if i had the money if they did build it i would leave country in shame

we have billions of miles of ground here in usa where they can build one we can not stop them its called freedom

just not there

 

i have and always been and will be an american but if we allow this i will just be ashamed to be called one

get off these mexicans asses and start deporting all these other illegals before its to late people

338 Just a simple word, if the Mosque can be build near by Ground Zero.  Then, we can also built a Pagoda of Japanese Temple just right next to Pearl Harbor-USS Arizona.  So, every bodies have a Merry Christmas. 

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