1

She seems off. Stumbling a bit in places.

Having said that, I can't remember ever seeing a woman with such great hair. She's absolutely stunning.

2 CSPAN coverage

3 ha ha dack! yeah I could get used to seein her on the nightly newscast

4 CUDA

5

She seems off. Stumbling a bit in places.

Having said that, I can't remember ever seeing a woman with such great hair. She's absolutely stunning.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 06, 2010 09:28 PM (P33XN)

She goes off on tangents now and then, but it's funny because it usually is multiple slams against the Administration.

And all without a teleprompter--no stuttering, no uhs and ums.  Brilliant.

6 yeah mom and pops

7 She's been talking animatedly for an hour.

She's had some great lines.

8 Sarah has to/is working on her cadence

9 She's been talking animatedly for an hour.

She's had some great lines.

Posted by: trainer at February 06, 2010 09:34 PM (yCWYQ)

Uh, it's been about 32-minutes.

10
OMIGOD, she tends to ramble during a speech like a Real Person, instead of reading from the teleprompters without fail?  Oh how terrible.

11 She's real.....and she's fabulous!

12 Uh, it's been about 32-minutes.

OK, when she talks I loose track of time.

13 I just made Buttered Bourbon Pudding...just in case Sarah wants to stop by after the speach and take a Dip!

14 She's real.....and she's fabulous spectacular!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 06, 2010 09:37 PM (M4JV6)

fify

15 Jonah Goldberg the other day (talking about Palin and WFB): "My guess is his views would have been reflective of the basic attitude around NR today: He'd admire her fearlessness, accomplishments, and convictions but argue she should do more homework if she wants to run for president" I HATE this argument. Palin is not stupid, leave that meme to the left.

16 She is basically saying she isn't running in 2012. For now, anyway.

17

Todd needs to drop to his knees every morning and thank the one most high for his good fortune in marrying a woman like Sarah.

I suddenly realized I support the idea of cloning. Let's clone a few million Sarah Palins. Kill feminism with one stroke.

Although she's stumbled a few times, it's definitely awesome she doesn't use a teleprompter. No tennis match head here. Sarah will look directly at you to tell you what she thinks.

 

18 YAY FINALLY!

19 meet halfway? hell no!!!

20 gawddang stoopid htmls scripts that show in the box, but not in the comment.

21 13 She may not be available but I sure am!

22 Favorite zinger of the night so far was the one she opened with...that CSPAN isn't welcome at the healthcare talks, but they're sure welcome to the Tea Party.

23
DAMN you and your fancy recipes, garrett. 

24

I donated a dollar for every orgasm that occurred in the Kinzinger thread.  I cannot afford to to that here!

You can donate to Kinzinger through www.redstate.com .

And you should because under Obama you will be taxed every time you put your hand between your legs.

25 REAGAN MENTION.

26 Dang did she have to invoke RR snif

27

And you should because under Obama you will be taxed every time you put your hand between your legs.

I could single handedly pay off the national debt if this is true.

28 Stop looking for problems with Sarah!

29 I saw Jerry Rivers talking about Sarah accepting a fee for speaking WITHOUT mentioning that Sarah said she's going to take that money and plow it back into the movement.

30 Great job Sarah!

31 Fuck off, Geraldo. Cocksucker.

32 Yea, CSPAN wasn't allowed in the locked door room for all the transparancy talks that were for Democrats only for any of the Bills passed in the first year of Obamas reign.

33 Geraldo ...must   reach   remote

34 Can anyone give highlights of the Sheriff Joe stuff?  I'm dying to hear!

35 26 Dang did she have to invoke RR snif

Posted by: sonnyspats at February 06, 2010 09:44 PM (68tQb)

I swear for a second there she was starting to tear up herself.

36 Ace and crew are  "meh" on Sarah Palin.

37 For almost an hour, I forgot she's a babe.

38 15 How does "do her homework"imply that she is stupid?I think she has been doing that homework since she was selected to run for vp and the results have been really showing.

39

40 Sheriff Joe could fuck off a self hand job.

41 I'd hit it.

42

For almost an hour, I forgot she's a babe.

Huh. For almost an hour, I thought she was black.

43 PALIN 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

44 NO ONE MESSES WITH ME, NOT EVEN SARAH LEE

45

Bringing this forward from the afternoon thread....

 

416

409 No I just meant that she's looking down a lot--who cares, I say.

 

 

I agree.  She's made a couple slips and lost her place once or twice, but I'd rather enjoy listening to the mesage than nit-pick about her presentation.

Definitely agree with the message being delivered.  It's been too long since an American politician spoke this way.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 06, 2010 09:33 PM (OhdlH)

46 I fucking love this woman...hope to hell she runs in 2012

47 To turn C-Span... she's not done, they're doing Q&A period!

48

Huh. For almost an hour, I thought she was black.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 06, 2010 09:49 PM (P33XN)

Was she clean and articulate?

49 I just walked in on this part--who's this moderator?

50 BRING OUT PIPER!

51 Nice job, Sarah. She laid out a stark choice. Barry and doom, or Conservatism and rebirth. Too bad MexCaine didn't do that.

52 I hate it when all the MSM talks like Sarah in in the minor leagues when compared to Obama. Let them go to it toe to toe without any teleprompters or cards.

53 I wish that was the SOTU

54 I'd be happy to be on the ticket with Ace.

55 lacey, that's Judson Phillips - the guy who has gotten so much shit lately over the for-profit issue.

56 Let them go to it toe to toe without any teleprompters or cards.

Posted by: mystry at February 06, 2010 09:51 PM (kmgIE)

Come on man, that would be like making Mark McGuire play without his 'roids.

57 I'd take Ace to the woodshed and mmm mmmm mmm!!

58

Let me tell ya, this Palin woman's got nuthin' on Fightin' Joe Biden!

Has she ever evaded sniper fire in Afghanistan?

Where was she during the Meow Meow Uprising of 1977?

Did she rally her troops on Bunker Green, crying, "Don't fire until you can see clear all the way to Russia!"?

How many super-secret missions has she led?

59 i forgot Jimi Hendrix was an Earthling

60

"Who cares what an irrelevant lamestream media has to  say about you!"

God love ya, Sarah! I know I do.

61 I fucking love this woman...hope to hell she runs in 2012

Please, please don't let her run.  Or, if she does, let her lose in the primaries.  And I saw this as someone who loved her in 2008.  

She's been tainted.  Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not . . . but it's true.  Sarah Palin has become the love child of Dan Quayle and Jerry Springer.  She will never be a series contender.

62 8 Sarah has to/is working on her cadence Posted by: sonnyspats at February 06, 2010 09:35 PM

Cadence. That's it. I've been trying to explain to my wife what bugs me about the way she speaks. I love what she says, just not the way she says it. It's almost like she's reciting sentences.

63

37 For almost an hour, I forgot she's a babe

what are you a homo? heh heh

64

Come on man, that would be like making Mark McGuire play without his 'roids.

Posted by: 18-1 at February 06, 2010 09:52 PM (bgcml)

Been with my dad too much lately - my first thought wasn't to steroids but hemorrhoids.

65 When times are tough nobody is going to give a shit about style over substance. Also, can we get some decent concern trolls? Pathetic.

66 61


FUCK YOU

67

Also, can we get some decent concern trolls? Pathetic.

How YOU doin'?

68 49 Phillips I think. e and his wife are the organisers. also formed Tea Party Nation I beleive.

69 I think the Massachusetts Senate Race told us how to win the Presidency in 2012. Someone out of right field, whom they haven't had to run against before in an important election, whom they weren't prepared for and whom totally knocked them out.

70 37

what are you a homo? heh heh

Posted by: sonnyspats at February 06, 2010 09:54 PM (68tQb)

Watch it there, cupcake.

71 She's been tainted.  Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not . . . but it's true.  Sarah Palin has become the love child of Dan Quayle and Jerry Springer.  She will never be a series contender.

Posted by: S. Alito at February 06, 2010 09:53 PM (GiUTT)

I don't think she is permanently tainted, but there will be significant linger effects from the State Media smear job into 2012. Probably the best thing for her is to help conservatives in the 2010 elections, and then focus on getting back into the political game. 

Replace Steele? Found that Conservative Party that I am always suggesting? 

Of course there is an argument to be made that as people slowly wake up to the fact that the media and Obama lied to them, they may be very open to the person who has been pointing this out from the beginning - and that would be Palin...

72 President Easy Bake can't be very happy right now.

73

Stupid Fox.

Just as the audience starts to cheer for Sarah when the phrase "President Pain" is uttered, they go back to Geraldo.

Blech.

74 While 'Sheriff Joe' may be skirting certain abuses of his power - he's walking a very fine line - he's one of the few county sheriffs in America who fully understands the constitutional authority of his position. Love him or hate him, he's exercising (most of) his full authority under The Constitution. The political class in America can't take him down because they Do. Not. want to open that particular can of worms. The power they currently wield would evaporate if they offered him a direct confrontation on the field of Constitutional battle. They can only offer indirect, ad hom personal attacks without causing a full constitutional crisis that would openly, and perhaps violently, split this nation. The county sheriff is the 'thin red line' protecting and defending That Constitution against federal and state abuses of American citizens...and across the nation, that final 'thin red line' is crumbling.

75 Sarah Palin does not need to run for president. She can do greater good for the US and the world by mantaining the spotlight and speaking. If we do not free the people around us our survival dims.

76

66 FUCK YOU

Pump up the volume bitch!!!

77

Why is Geraldo covered in saliva?

Wait...what? Sorry, dozed off there. Musta been dreaming...

78

Stupid Fox.

Just as the audience starts to cheer for Sarah when the phrase "President Pain" is uttered, they go back to Geraldo.

Blech.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 06, 2010 10:00 PM (M4JV6)

CSPAN!!

79 Missed the speech, but the Q&A is pure meh.

Maybe she can get the act together for '16 or '20, but she's not ready to be POTUS now or in '12.

If all the droolers could look beyond the legs, they ought to realize that she needs more seasoning and experience.

Don't tell me the Chicago Jesus didn't/doesn't have the resume for the job either. He's screwed up monumentally. We don't need someone else who's busy finding her footing and is a somewhat more organized speaker/thinker.

80 I'm watching the stream from fox on teh intertubes.  They are covering the Q&A post speech.

Asked about the "Palin Plan" she mentioned two things: Getting the government out of the way of the people (a total paraphrase there, but that's the gist of it), and in the war on terror, she quoted Reagan: "We win, they lose" (doing everything we can to win this war).

That got a standing applause.

81 She could give Obama a few lessons in grace.

82 Oh crap, why didn't someone tell me Horealdo was going to be the announcer.  Maybe I should've read further down the thread before turning on the TV.

I {heart} SP!

83 "We don't need someone else who's busy finding her footing and is a somewhat more organized speaker/thinker."

Bad me.

We don't need someone else who is busy finding his/her footing in the nation's biggest job and needs to become a somewhat more organized speaker/thinker.

84 If all the droolers could look beyond the legs, they ought to realize that she needs more seasoning and experience.

She could be a Senator and you'd say, we'll she quit as a Gov. She could be Speaker of the House and you'd say she'd need to be a Senator.

You sound like someone that will never think she has enough experience, so try again please.

85

70 Slavedog

I clicked on yer name and I uh.. er... would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

86 I love what she says, just not the way she says it.

...and as we saw in 2008, how you say something is more important to voters than what's being said.

Scares and sickens me, but that's how it is.

87

I forgot Palin was white for about and hour.

88 74 I think the "Sheriff Joe"she is making fun of is VP Biden not Joe Arpaio.Am I wrong?

89

Sarah spoke about the founding fathers. If you missed it I would highly recommend linking to a vid of her complete speech. Palin was impressive!

90 Sherriff Joe is a Godsend to the people.  He serves at theor pleasure.

91 Let's all call the Democrats line on CSPAN and espouse pro-Palin views.

92

iirc, didn't B.Clinton get 200K or 250K for his speaking fees? I remember seeing on CNN how this proved he was teh best president evah! No mention of how evil he was for accepting filthy money to speak somewhere...

(of course those huge fees where just another way to pump slush money into the Dem system, eh?)

93 If sherriff Joe is Biden, I;m cool.

94 Sarah Palin is a misguided idiot droller. She is such a fucking hack. Fuck her and fuck all of you who think she can go toe to toe with me. I.Would.Fucking.Wipe.My.Ass.With.Sarah.Palin!

95 Palin certainly can't do well as President unless and until she memorizes all World Capitals, can read Ancient Greek in mirror image, transplants a heart, discovers and characterizes a new dinosaur species, memorizes what Brian Williams likes best for breakfast, builds a quantum computer out of old lawnmowers, and stops hurricanes with a wave of her hand. These are the basics , folks.

96 92 Conservate charging speaking fee= evil.Liberal charging speaking fee = lookie how in demand our guy/gal is!!

97 95 Hmm, you're close. But we still are not happy about the Trig situation. Why would anyone in their right mind choose to raise that type of child?

98

4th trending Twitter topicÂ…

“President Palin”

99 Dude these calls on CSPAN are cracking me up. 

100

I didn't see anybody named Underpants on the de donation thread for Kinzinger at www.redstate.com .

Just saying.

101

I love what she says, just not the way she says it.

The preference for style over substance is puzzling to me, but that's how we got where we are.  MLKing said something about people not being judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.  I like the meaning of that even when it's applied to the way someone gives a speech.

102 "She will never be a series contender."

- You mean like the World "Series", genius?


"Maybe she can get the act together for '16 or '20, but she's not ready to be POTUS now or in '12."

- Well, I am sure you are an extraordinary successful individual and therefore I highly value your opinion.  Thanks.

103 I hope Sarah will become the voice of the people..  I envision the tea party movement not as a third party, but as a force that can change the direction of this country.  Candidates who stand for limited government, lower taxes, and fiscal responsibility can seek the support of those who share the core beliefs of the tea party.  Sarah, who is a rock star, can go and campaign for them.  I adore her, but think she can do more to save the country if she's not president.

104 ...and as we saw in 2008, how you say something is more important to voters than what's being said.

Scares and sickens me, but that's how it is.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 06, 2010 10:05 PM (OkT2m)

--Alas, I have to agree.  Even though some of the 0bots from '08 will graduate and have to deal with the real world, there will still be a whole new crop o' stupids in college in 2012.

105 He'd admire her fearlessness, accomplishments, and convictions but argue she should do more homework if she wants to run for president"

I HATE this argument. Palin is not stupid, leave that meme to the left.

Palin is not stupid, agreed.  She DOES, however, need to bone up on foreign and domestic policy minutia.  And it's no shame to admit that; all politicians graduating to the national stage need to.   She needs to do so to make her a more well-rounded candidate, and to avoid any embarrassing gaffes that you know the MSM is going to be salivating for.  No more Couric moments.  That's an unforced error that can easily be eliminated.

106 Someone said she looked down a lot.

Now if by "a lot" you mean "every now and then" then sure.

If by "a lot" you mean "a lot," then no.

107 What kind of fucking idiot doesn't have 2 TELEPROMPTERS to tell her what to say.    She's dumb.

108 Colt and I made the horrible error of watching the speech on MSNBC because Fox didn't have it listed in the guide.  This meant that we were clued in to the completely awesome analysis from some leftist hack:

"God, family, military... completely predictable.  She sounded like a hatemong-"

At which point we changed the channel.

109

great speech without a telepromter.   Maybe Obama should take lessons

instead of a chin to the air a humble downward look works best

 

110 All Presidents learn on the job and a great of what folks think a President needs to know in order to do a good job is in fact exactly what they should avoid like the Devil. "foreign and domestic policy minutia" is for followers, not leaders.

111 She was looking down because Rahm and David were inside the podium telling her what she thinks.  She kept glancing down to make sure they were still in there.

112 Geraldo is nothing but a clone for MSNBC. Why does Fox News keep him? Fire his butt and leave him sink or swim..

113 great deal, that is

114 Puppehs in a pile as Mama stands guard:

http://www.ustream.tv/sfshiba

115

Sarah did just fine.

She may not dazzle the elites, but ordinary country loving folks get her message just fine.

Time will tell if she wants to run in 2012.

Until then the country will be getting an up close look at a "college lecturer", running the land they love, into a ditch.

God Bless America, God Bless Sarah.

116 112, Agreed. Flush that clown yesterday.

117

Did anyone else see her start to choke up when she mentioned Reagan and disabled children?  I just hit rewind to see it again.

Love Palin.

118 When I die of testicular cancer, I'm going to claim I couldn't afford health care and I'm going to be buried in a Palin/McCain '12 t-shirt.

119

Did she go to Columbia?  No.  So quit the hatin'  
Did she go to Harvard?  No.  So stfu.

Only half black men who go into East Coast Ivy League elitist Universities are worthy of the TELEPROMPTER.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

120 Geraldo had me screaming at him because of his pure left trash talking, hate the Conservatives at all costs.He's clueless about what the Tea Party stands for..He said "Does the Tea party want to become a third party." He must have talked to Axlerod before he came on the air.

121

Not once did she mention a CORPSE.

122 Ha ha, as guest on MSNBC's Ed Schultz said, "Look, Ed, you have to agree... there are some things she said that if someone else had said them, you'd be cheering it on."  And he quickly cut them off and went to commercial.

123

iirc, didn't B.Clinton get 200K or 250K for his speaking fees? I remember seeing on CNN how this proved he was teh best president evah! No mention of how evil he was for accepting filthy money to speak somewhere...

(of course those huge fees where just another way to pump slush money into the Dem system, eh?)

Posted by: 5Cats at February 06, 2010 10:08 PM (HBEhc)

As I recall he got millions from Uzbekistan for some reason. It is not really clear why, unless they thought Hillary was going to win the election, and it would have been a good way to bribe her.

Of course when Clinton left office, he sold pardons, so he is an old hand at bribery...

124

Did anyone else see her start to choke up when she mentioned Reagan and disabled children?  I just hit rewind to see it again.

Love Palin.

Posted by: Kristi at February 06, 2010 10:24 PM (7GgDy)

I did!  I thought it was just me - glad someone else picked up on that.

125 She's going to doooom the GOP!!!

We need a REAL voice like David Frum!!!

126 I love how so many genius-level policy experts (translation: smartest narcissist in the room) love to recommend how much she needs to study more, go into detail, minutiae, be an expert like, well, ME! Ghod... oghodoghod, please someone notice how fzcking smart I am!

She does exactly what she needs to do: articulate the philosophy, show the guts to follow through, and leave the details to the experts. 

We have President Smartest Badass Ever To Hold Office, with the highest IQ (so high that no one knows how high it is), currently proving that a grounding in solid philosophy that has been historically proven to work is worth much more than all the IQ points the elitists can scrape together.

127 I'm really sorry, but this thread is infested with "concern" trolls. I don't recognize 3/4 of the names, and suspect we have a doofus brigade here to bash Sarah. Go back to your X-Boxes, naifs.

128 I must be the only one, who envisions Sarah as the Chairperson of the RNC.

Think about it.

129 Unless we all get behind Tim Pawlenty, we won't be liked when we lose.

130

Not once did she mention a CORPSE.

God luv ya, gus

131 Read my columns, my website, and my books and you'll learn from my awesome intellect why Sarah Palin will doom the GOP.  We need Lincoln Chafee back now more than ever!

132 You are spot on about Pawlenty, kb.

133 the claim the Obama has a high IQ is cannot be backed up. instead there is ample evidence that he's a borderline dunce. What he lacks in smarts though he makes up in ego.

134 ll Presidents learn on the job and a great of what folks think a President needs to know in order to do a good job is in fact exactly what they should avoid like the Devil.   "foreign and domestic policy minutia" is for followers, not leaders.

OK, "minutia" is the wrong term.  I didn't mean to imply that she needs to be a policy wonk.  My point is a candidate on the national stage for the first time needs to prove she has a grasp of the issues.  That's just basic competence. 

Don't get me wrong, I love Palin.  But considering the fact that she was governor of Alaska and that she will get no breaks from the media, she needs to over-demonstrate basic competence in order to earn the confidence of the general electorate

135 I must be the only one, who envisions Sarah as the Chairperson of the RNC.
Posted by: franksalterego

No, you're not.
It'd be a good fit for her.

136 There was a wrinkle in her blouse. That automatically indicates to me her lack of gravitas and intellectual curiosity.

We in the educated class know what it takes because we read lots of stuff.

Can someone help me find my car? I can't find it because someone took down the signs that I read

137

Sarah fired a bazooka at Obama's cocoon. There will be
days of the MSM trying to parse this as a "hateful speech",  of NO use to political discourse.  They will
fail.  She rocked HER group.  That was her purpose.

And she did it without 5 lbs of pancake makeup or
or a size 20 pantsuit.  She may not be presidential
fodder, but she has the Libs' knees going ...JELLO!

Orrin Hatch and Mitch McConnell should take her
course in inspiring the base.

 

 

 

 

 

138 My hubby forced me to sit through this today on CSPAN because he loves to ogle her ass. Damn, I hate that Walmart shopping bitch!

139

First Pawlenty is a goof.  Second Sarah speaks the thoughts that are running through many American heads.  Ourcountry cannot continue to be run like this without bearing out the consequences.  It gives us the courage and the strength to battle against "business as usual corrupt government"

140 My hubby forced me to sit through this today on CSPAN because he loves to ogle her ass. Damn, I hate that Walmart shopping bitch!

SHIT!  You mean I missed her ass?  Was she wearing that tight black skirt? 

141

She's the real deal, alright. But I have to tell you, I missed the head on a swivel that signifies real intelligence!

s/off

Jug Ears has become the Milli Vanilli of the political world. If his teleprompter malfunctions, he's done. Just sayin'

142 I think Sarah can be a lot more than Chair of RNC. Like a lot of others, I think she's doing yeoman's work doing what she is now.  Spreading the word that conservative thought is not dead.
As I recall, Reagan was dead to the world after Jimmah got elected. That didn't turn out too bad, as I recall.

143

There was a wrinkle in her blouse.

David, that was a jacket and those are breasts.  You know, like Barry's moobs, but larger.

144 "She's been tainted. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not . . . but it's true. Sarah Palin has become the love child of Dan Quayle and Jerry Springer. She will never be a series contender." This is just a bogus argument which doesn't take into account the nations... second thoughts on their last go around, I'm think more then a few are waking up to the fact they were played by the Dems & Media and if anything Sarah Palins book tour disproves the notion she's been "Quayled". It actually proved she has largish base which no doubt continues to expand daily. And you know how I know she hasn't been? Cause the Media/Dems - haven't yet found a new target to try to rip down. As each day that nears to 2012 and as Obama becomes proven to be more and more wrong and Sarah from her Facebook page & Fox News venues is proven right while the nation continues under its Obama misery she's going to look like the shining beacon in the wilderness. Also, this is defeatist talk, surrendering before the battle has even been engaged.

145 Posted by: exceller at February 06, 2010 10:41 PM (Z7Znk)

One of our lib relatives was giving my sis and me a ration of sh*t about the "birthers" and what idiots they were.  We told him we must be "grade-ers" because we wanted to see what kind of grades Zero got in college.

146 When I watched Obama's SOTU address, me and my hip friends in my townhouse were bawling like teenaged girls watching Leo DiCaprio die in Titanic

Nobody cried watching this. We did cry because the wagyu was a little stringy. When Giles returns with my trust fund check, I'm hiring a new chef.

147 This horse manure about spouting foreign/domestic policy with surgical precision in a speech to Tea Party folks has got to go.  What in Gaia's name do you want her to say?  I think your head would spin if you knew who she had daily foreign/domestic briefings with.  Maybe you could offer your giant brain and get in on the conference calls:  1-800-TEL-CUDA.

148  We told him we must be "grade-ers" because we wanted to see what kind of grades Zero got in college.

Posted by: TheresaD at February 06, 2010 10:52 PM (iGCmo)

+100

149 I trust President Palin to articulate a vision and clear principles and appoint top-notch people to get the job done.

150 We told him we must be "grade-ers" because we wanted to see what kind of grades Zero got in college.

NONTROVERSY!!!

That kind of bad craziness is why I bid adieu to the bad crazy racists on the right. Obama hasn't released his college transcripts because they're so overwhelming that the average mouth breather who doesn't read up on things like I do couldn't handle that kind of awesome.

151 Fuming Moronette #33162,

Smokin' comment! Carry on.

152 We told him we must be "grade-ers" because we wanted to see what kind of grades Zero got in college.

Excellent.  I will steal this line.  You will get no attribution or compensation.  After all, Zero says we have to spread the wealth around, no?

153 this homophobic christianist breeder is a total phony!!!111!! why did she change her telephone number after i left 200 messages on her voice mail? because she just cannot ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!11!!!1

154 People talk about how Ronald Reagan was a great speaker, but he was also a professional actor, and while he may not have been a great actor, he learned how to communicate with an actor's charm and grace.  Sarah Palin is not a great speaker, but she does not have Reagan's grace.  She has the same kind of charm, though.

155 Do you want to know what I thought of this speech?

Picture the Seinfeld episode when the pilot was on tv and the scene is Newman asleep on his chair with a bucket of wings on his lap.

Then picture Newman with blonde hair dressed all in black

156 I, too, will jump on this bandwagon and steal the term "grade-ers." I will then become an elitist and write for the eastern papers, and they will love me.

157 It is Sherrif Joe BIDEN...,.not Sherrif Joe ARAPIO that she is making fun of. Okay? Get it? Now go to bed. You've had enough to drink already.

158 154 People talk about how Ronald Reagan was a great speaker, but he was also a professional actor, and while he may not have been a great actor, he learned how to communicate with an actor's charm and grace.

Reagan also spent years on the peas and carrots circuit speaking for GE so his delivery was highly polished.

159 Along with the Birthers and Graders, I will expose the bad crazy wingnuts who don't believe Joe Biden's hair is real. I will use my rapier wit to label them as Pluggers and hound them down the bike path to Hell. *

_{* - There is no Hell because scientists said so. So if you're not a bad crazy creationist, substitute "Orange County" for "Hell"}

160 Oh, fzck it. You people are right. Yeah, that's it: she's not as good as Ronald Reagan. Probably not as good as Dick Cheney.  Hell, probably not as good as Dan Quayle.

Of course,  unlike the rest of your mythical "better" spokespeople/candidates, she has the potential to be as great as any of the best.

On second thought, I remember Reagan sounding like a total doofus plenty of times.  He was never as awesome as Reagan, either.

161

she was clean and articulate.. I forgot she was white for an hour and I am so glad she didnt have a negro dialect. If I support her, I wont have to worry about my mortgage or putting gas in my car!!!!!!  I wish someone would have asked her for a kitchen.. that would have been awesome.

162 I'm articulate. That means you're good at painting and drawing, right?

163 good or bad,whom among you will take her place? i would pass out the "fuck yous above,however,i'm too late. her and her family are welcome in my camp anytime! yes i live in Alaska.

164 *condescending chuckle*

She's a JOKE!

165

Reagan was also 70 something during his best speechifying. She's in her 40s and has no formal training. Makes a big, big difference.

And BTW, Dan Quayle gets a bad rap. He actually was a pretty smart and accomplished fella. Not the best pol, but not an idiot, either.

166 Amen, Di Butler.  Quayle is a very impressive man.  And I suspect that, thanks to alternative media, they wouldn't have been able to do to him now what they did then.

Conversely, I think Palin would have been permanently Quayled twenty years ago, but I'm not concerned about that now because we do have alternative media.

167 Hey di == how did you manage to get the hash "sexx 1"??

168 Where's Ace's take on the speech?

169 Ya gotta be real careful about looking for a Great Leader, folks. You just might find one... If I remember my history correctly, over the last one hundred years, a lot of Great Leaders got a lot of people killed. Further back in history, we see the same trend. Everyone who sought for a Great Leader...found one. Lead yourself. Followers are sheep, slaves, 'collateral damage' and cannon fodder. Just remember that the Sarah Palins of the world are still human and are subject to the same limitations as yourselves. Don't worship Great Leaders. Worship your own freedom.

170 169... Did you even listen to what she said?

I'm thinking no or you wouldn't have posted what you just did.

171 Warren Bonesteel, that is just what she said! She said it is about IDEAS not personalities! Conservative ideas are what will bring this country back from the brink!

172 What Governor Palin said and what many folks are saying about her are polar opposites. Respect her, certainly. Admire her accomplishments skills and talents. Appreciate and be grateful for her present work. Of course! Whether atheist or religious, don't make the mistake of worshipping her. You'll not only set her up for a great fall, you'll set yourself up for disappointment.

173 No one's worshipping at the altar of Palin, Warren.  We're just glad to have someone who speaks our language.

174

The "Palin supporters blindly worship her" Straw Man is almost as irritating as Obama's reformulations.

If she's such a lightweight, you'd think there would be more substantive arguments against her than telling her supporters to stop liking her.

 

 

175 And the one's who keep "advising" her to accept some lesser job.

176 #167-I'm just that good. ;-)

177 I'm hearing the right say the same things about Palin in 2009 and 2010 that the left said about Obama in 2007 and 2008. Obama's background and character faults aside, expectations were created that could never have matched reality. A cult of personality is not the foundation of a free society and reveals our neoteny for all to see. The cult of personality is a cult of fear - Fear of taking responsibility for your own lives and of being accountable for your own words and deeds. When we desire a Great Leader more than we desire our own freedom, we are already enslaved. Admire the woman, but think for yourselves. Live your own lives. Take responsibility for your own lives.

178 I give up.

179 Palin has never asked her admires to take leave of their reason or that she is a blank slate... The argument looks to be: "Oh no, a vocal group of people like, therefore its a personality cult." Last I checked Palin never claimed to calm the oceans or heal the planet and Glenn Beck certainly hasn't declared her "The One". The same things can't be said about Obama who was packaged as a secular messiah and often indulges in sermon like speech to help promote the notion. Apples and oranges. This is needless worry, Palin is not a bit like Obama in her substance or style. That she's' the real deal and Obama's a packaged product which was intended for popular consumption while tapping into "white guilt".

180 Please stop! I'm down!

181 I'm not telling people to stop liking Palin. (Talk about yer strawmen.) I'm saying, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. The essence of the T.E.A. Parties was the understanding and knowledge - the irrefutable proof - that the Great Leader paradigm is no longer working. For decades, Great Leaders have been chosen and sent to state houses and to D.C....where they stopped defending and protecting The Constitution, let alone stopped representing the will of the people. When the Great Leader paradigm has failed, as it has, it is time to return to our roots as a free and sovereign people. It is time to recall those things that once made us great as a free people on the land. It is time to restore the freedoms that we have lost. Worshipping a Great Leader, however beautiful or handsome, however well-spoken, whatever their background or education, will only bring us more of the same things that we now struggle against.

182

I want to bring back a term no longer in use, because of PC prissiness:

IDIOT SAVANT.

Look it up.

 

It explains Barak Hussein.

 

183

go to   msn.com

On the news section they are having a vote on her speech.. please vote.. we are talking MSNBC poll her so ... not looking so good for her .. add a vote for Palin.. make the haters mad.

184 Warren, your comments are dumb.

Look, folks, just because Barack Obama heads a cult, that doesn't mean that every group of enthusiastic supporters is also a cult.

Sarah Palin is not a cult leader, and her supporters are not a cult.

Stop being dumb about this.

185 I find this argument weak since I heard it from Morrisey, explaining that Allah doesn't like cults of personality, he's not too crazy about facts either. Those who support her have gone to great lengths to actually research her record. Is she infallible no, I think in retrospect she shouldn't have trusted the democrats in forming the ethics codem and probably endorsing Prop 8 was a bad move (when you are hung in effigy, in West Hollywood, that tells you it was a bad move,) But who else is out there, Huckabee, as Iowahawk would say ,"Roman please" Romney, Paw. . .sorry dozed off there for a moment

186 Missed the speech tonight so I really can't comment on it.  I gather though, from the comments that she stepped up for over an hour without teleprompters.  Again, most of the comments indicate that there were a few stumbles, lost places but overall very few.  Good for her, as it's a rare person that can accomplish that.  In terms of her running in 2012 I suspect that will depend on how she feels about it (remember that there is nothing wrong with being the guiding light of the conservative movement without running for president) and on how well conservatives (GOP) do in 2010.  In my opinion she'll have to pick a few key races (and not just safe ones) to get involved in and show that she's the gunslinger we all know she can be.

187 (when you are hung in effigy, in West Hollywood, that tells you it was a bad move,)


Yeah.
 When the mob decides you should die, perhaps you should back off.
Like your logic, mob-boy. Appreciate the faux concern.
  You people make me sick.  You think intimidation by your thugocracy makes you right.  Unh huh.  That's why the Tea Parties are succeeding.

 We get that you want dissenting voices squashed.  Clear. Very much so.

Ain't happenin', big guy.  Last I checked, we got the guns. And don't think we aren't as serious as, oh. say....Saul.

188 I wasn't attacking hovernor Palin. I wasn't even attacking President Obama. I was questioning the prevalent attitude among Americans which seeks Great Leaders to be in charge of their lives. There is a certain shallowness in this, often reflected in those we choose to be those leaders. They make great promises, promises which can never be met or sustained. They are more often what was once called 'beautiful people' instead of average looking Americans. We choose people based upon how they sound, on the perfection of their vocal chords and how they make us feel. The people we choose as leaders are more often wealthy and socially influential than not. We seem to choose our leaders as if we were more interested in being one of the cool kids in high school, instead of choosing them based upon their skills, talents and abilities. Sarah Palin is not the problem. Before he was elected to public office, President Obama was not the problem. Neither they, nor Scott Brown, are the solution to the problems this nation faces. You are. You don't need a Great Leader, nor do you need to be a Great Leader, to change things. Stop worshipping other men and women and worship instead, your own freed and liberty. Exercise the power you already possess as a free and sovereign human being. Use your own skills, talenets and abilities to do what needs to be done. Don't rely upon yet another Great Leader.

189 #188, most of the guns, most of the training, and most of the balls.

Face it, when the other side decides it's time to "go loud" and fires on Fort Sumter, that frees us up to do a lot of cleaning up.

190 Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 06, 2010 09:41 PM (M4JV6)

Hmmmmmm.

And you admitted to living in the Cincy area too...

And you like Chinese.

It's a start.

191 Warren Bonesteel, are you a total idiot, or are you just pretending to be one?  Or is it some kind of projection.  Many people were wild about Reagan, but he didn't have a cult of personality.

Keep up this vapid 'argument' and it'll become obvious that Rahm was speaking about you.

192

Hey kids! Tonight's word is Worship.

Liberal reporters have been trolling the lines of folks who show up to see Palin for 18 mos. now, looking for quotes to smear her and her supporters. Invariably, they turn out to be ordinary, well-informed citizens who say they like Palin personally and agree with her common-sense positions.

193 I dunno, Warren. I don't think too many AoS morons are "worshipping" Sarah. We are exulting that she is sticking back to the sonsofbitches who tried to ruin her and are currently ruining the country. The last Republican nominee with a legitimate "cult of personality" was Reagan. Fair or not, he worked out okay, I seem to recall. Conservatives, I think, instinctively understand that principles come first, from which flow ideas about governance. But ultimately, electoral politics--particularly modern electoral politics--require a personality that can deliver the message of ideas to the masses. Without that personality, the messenger is doomed. Here in Illinois, we just had a gubernatorial primary where the person with the best message and smartest ideas (Dan Proft) came in last. It takes the whole package. Many of us think Sarah has all these qualities. That's why she's exciting. Personally, I would rather get her elected and then worry about whether our expectations are too high. Because frankly, if she can get elected and replace one liberal Supreme Court justice with a conservative, I will consider her presidency at worst a modest success.

194 Warren, your comments are dumb. Look, folks, just because Barack Obama heads a cult, that doesn't mean that every group of enthusiastic supporters is also a cult. Sarah Palin is not a cult leader, and her supporters are not a cult. Stop being dumb about this. Okay, that's what I meant, but you said it more succinctly.

195 61 I fucking love this woman...hope to hell she runs in 2012

Please, please don't let her run.  Or, if she does, let her lose in the primaries.  And I saw this as someone who loved her in 2008.  

She's been tainted.  Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not . . . but it's true.  Sarah Palin has become the love child of Dan Quayle and Jerry Springer.  She will never be a series contender.

Posted by: S. Alito at February 06, 2010 09:53 PM (GiUTT)

fuck off and die you worthless concern troll

196 155 Do you want to know what I thought of this speech?

Picture the Seinfeld episode when the pilot was on tv and the scene is Newman asleep on his chair with a bucket of wings on his lap.

Then picture Newman with blonde hair dressed all in black

Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 06, 2010 11:06 PM (sYxEE)

I hear a stick of butter calling your name, Fatty McButterpants.

197 The Owl and the Pussy-cat went to sea      In a beautiful pea green boat,  They took some honey, and plenty of money,      Wrapped up in a five pound note.  The Owl looked up to the stars above,      And sang to a small guitar,  'O lovely Pussy! O Pussy my love,        What a beautiful Pussy you are,            You are,            You are!  What a beautiful Pussy you are!'     II   Pussy said to the Owl, 'You elegant fowl!      How charmingly sweet you sing!  O let us be married! too long we have tarried:      But what shall we do for a ring?'  They sailed away, for a year and a day,      To the land where the Bong-tree grows  And there in a wood a Piggy-wig stood      With a ring at the end of his nose,            His nose,            His nose,  With a ring at the end of his nose.       III   'Dear pig, are you willing to sell for one shilling      Your ring?' Said the Piggy, 'I will.'  So they took it away, and were married next day      By the Turkey who lives on the hill.  They dined on mince, and slices of quince,      Which they ate with a runcible spoon;  And hand in hand, on the edge of the sand,      They danced by the light of the moon,            The moon,            The moon,  They danced by the light of the moon.  

198

  Ann Althouse explains it all for you. Sarah Palin was a blithering idiot until she became a devious genius.

  "What I love about all this is the extreme contrast to the way Palin was mocked when she resigned as Governor of Alaska.

  I, myself, did not think it was stupid, because I pictured her doing something like what she is actually doing, but I certainly remember the derision. Her political career was over. She was "toast."

  A big difference between what I pictured and what she's doing is that she's staying in Alaska. I thought she needed to get out of Alaska (in order to run for President). It's innovative the way she's staying in Alaska.

  As a blogger, operating from my remote outpost in Madison, Wisconsin, I love that she's working through Facebook and staying rooted in Wasila, Alaska. Fox News is building a TV studio in her house in Wasila. That's so not toast."


http://althouse.blogspot.com/
2010/02/sarah-palin-was-blithering-idiot-until.html

199

"Sarah Palin does not need to run for president. She can do greater good for the US and the world by mantaining the spotlight and speaking."

Maybe that's the plan, to someday replace Rushbo with Rougebabe. It's a heck of a lot easier and way better paying job then Pres.

 

200 TheresaD @ 145 "We told him we must be "grade-ers" because we wanted to see what kind of grades Zero got in college."

Hm.  Put me down as a "realty-er," because I want to know why Tony Leavenworth Rezko bought Barry Oblowme A HOUSE.  A fucking HOUSE for fuck's sake!  How has this stayed under the LSM's carpet for ... what?, two years???
...
boring disclaimer:
Yeah he didn't exactly precisely "buy him a house," but:
a/ that's quicker to type, or say, than "did him a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar complicated favor in connection with a home purchase,"
and
b/ it makes it THEIR job to make that correction, which, even if they can, doesn't make the deal look any better, plus makes them look like they're splitting hairs.
Why aren't there a dillion skillion bumperstickers and t-shirts out there, asking this question?  Not THIS question, but the one about the house?  Have the birthers sucked all the question-asking oxygen out of the atmosphere, or what?

201 sad abut regan. but it okay. we got paylin. cuntry okay. we beat libals good. we show wurld now. amerca greet.

202 sad abut regan. but it okay. we got paylin. cuntry okay. we beat libals good. we show wurld now. amerca greet.

Word.

203 Sarah being interviewed by twatboy Chris Wallace on FNS.

204

hahahaha

Palin's finished cuz she is dumb -which is why the media followers her around and listens to her speak on all news channels

Palin's too polarizing- yes that's horrid, pointing out the misdeeds of those  in power

Palin's doesn't know enough- as i remember she was aked to be VP, not president as yet. also she did run a state, and a part of a business etc.

Palin's supporters are just liek Obama worshippers! omgod a cult. yeah sure, they all buy coffee cups, undies, pictures, and t shirts, every Palin thing they can get their hands on, to be buried with , they spend all their hours trolling every conservative site Just like those Obama supporters!

Palin is a smart women that is being supported by a large group, why? because she speaks to what we know, that we need to start getting involved, organize , don't roll over for anyone, she speaks of our consitutional rights, she points out activities of those leading us and the danger .

o and that the media has ruined her, well yes they have done their best, let's see how things look in 2--6 years, she hasn't said she was going to run as yet, alot can happen in those years, Obama is already being seen for a less than great president, and She certainly Is gaining knowledge and information as she moves along the states, she didn't go hide away, she has been using the time to gather info learn , gain support for Conservative thinking, Maybe she won't ever run, why are we asking if she's ready to be Potus now? why don't we see how things look in 2 years and how she looks in two years, why this incessant whine; there is just NO way she can Be ready or overcome. we are Not a Group of giver uppers , lets wait and see what flows.

205

You know that she hits them high, she hits them low, she does a slam dunk over Mr. Waffles etc. (Tough when you're about 5" 4" and Mr. Waffles is 6' 2"--but she kin do it.) Mainly she can talk without a teleprompter--probably has some notes in hand or maybe even a written speech--she's not entirely winging it. But she's prepared--which is more than you can say for Mr. "I'll just read the Teleprompter with whatever crap my speech writers have put on it. Dang what's that word "corpseman"?  I dunno--never heard of it before."

She also has a gift (well so does the Anointed One supposedly have a "gift') of a turn of phrase.  "Death panel" was spot on and it made the Democrats wiggle and struggle for several months.  Two little words that blew right up Harry and Nancy's skirts  (yup, Harry wears a dress--as far as I'm concerned).

Let her keep on out there giving speeches and talking to people.  She's doing her "homework".  She may make it to 1600 Pennsylvania and the Oval Office--she may not. But it's going to be fun watching her try to get there.  You go girl.

 

 

206 Posted by: Corncob Supporter at February 07, 2010 10:33 AM (ktYjH)

Last night a conservative, a true conservative said to me "she'll never be president cause she quit".  I was a little horrified to hear that come out of the mouth of a conservative.   But we discussed why that was said and we all agreed that she got financial security for her family out of this VP run and she also has the ear of the world.  It is possible that women understand why she quit more than men.  But, if she ever wants to run for the presidency she is going to have to tackle two mountains, the questions of "why she quit" and "the tina fey debacle".  Maybe head on.  Or maybe she will just continue on and see how it goes.  I always supported her.  Lately, she has been very effective as private citizen Sarah Palin.  With no horse in the race she can and does say anything she wants to say without having to worry about whether or not she will be elected to any public office.  She's in a great position to effect change.  Most politicians must be so jealous, having the ability to say anything you want anytime without worrying about the politics of your holding an office or an appointment or a future office is something they would salivate over to attain.  It's possible a lot of these politician types are uber jealous of Sarah and how she has maneuvered herself into a position of power.  Sometimes I think if she had Rove on her side with McCotter next to her, they would be unbeatable.  Who knows.  The world changes at such a fast pace, you can't predict anything anymore as nothing seems to go the way you think it will go.

207 Actually, Reagan wasn't much of a conservative. He was a social liberal who signed off on one helluva lot of spending, growing the very same government that you love to hate. Plus, he got a lot of Marines killed for nothing when he turned them over to the UN in some place called Lebanon... (*The UN's RoE weren't stupid. They were suicidal.) Then, he signed a bill adding more money to Fannie and Freddie with fewer restrictions on homeloans. He signed a similar bill which later turned into the S&L crisis. You're paying for that today. Reagan talked nice and made you feel so good about yourselves that you ignored little things like those, and ignore them to this day. ...but in your eyes, President Reagan is a saint. He was a Great Leader. Clinton talked nice and made the liberals and independents feel good about themselves. He also got a few Marines killed in Bosnia, when he had them killing Christians who were struggling against the militant Muslims in their country. Then, there was that whole intern thing...and Monica wasn't the only victim. The left thinks Clinton is a helluva nice guy. He was a Great Leader. President Obama talked nice and the left called him a god...while our economy is the worst its been since the Great Depression and while Marines are dying in Afghanistan due to an incoherent policy and under RoE's which are insane, at best. He's also ordered bombing runs in a sovereign nation which was one of our allies at one point. At every turn, he signs bills into law which restrict everyone's freedoms. ...but he is a Great Leader. ...and now Governor Palin is talking nice. The conservatives haven't elevated her to sainthood or godhood...yet. (I wonder how many ruined lives and how much innocent blood it takes to achieve such heights.) All I'm saying is...be careful. You just might get the Great Leader you're looking for... *disclosure: SGT USMC 1976-1983.

208

Ahmed..

If you do, you'll wipe it up!

209

215 -- There are some very valid reasons why she should not run for president; the quitting bit is one of them.  I understand why she quit.  It was probably one of the most statesmanlike a politician has done in quite a while (it was costing the people of Alaska to defend her).  Still, she is smeared now (however unfairly) as a "quitter" -- it would be an almost insurmountable handicap to overcome.  The Rand Paul endorsement I don't really consider her best decision either and would come back to haunt her.  It wouldn't only be a handicap during any election run; if she were to be elected she'd have the hounds nipping and yapping for the duration.  This is unfair, but it is reality.  In order for her to be successful as a president things would have to change quite a bit -- people are intrinsically petty and fickle.

I appreciate and admire much of what she does (I consider her the one of the ultimate feminist role models, a strong and intelligent woman who has a compass and yet doesn't deny her femininity) -- but she would be better off not running and much more effective in another position.

This speech...this is where she has her true power -- keep her capable of doing this; a president cannot.

210

Actually, Reagan wasn't much of a conservative.

If you work out those credibility problems, people might read past your first paragraph.

211 She gave a Republican Party campaign speech. Testing the waters, building support. ===== http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/07/palin-willing-obama/ Palin 'Would Be Willing' to Take On Obama in 2012 By Judson Berger FOXNews.com February 07, 2010 ==== Ok. Fine and dandy. No problems with that. Ya wanta run for office, run for office. The problem is, she's now actively trying to hijack the movement in what can only be described as traditional cold-blooded self-serving politics. It kinda goes against what the T.E.A. Party has built its image around. i.e. grassroots, non-partisan, anti-incumbent populism. But that's ok, 'cause it's Sarah-cuda, eh? Of a liberal politician had done the same thing, you'd be screaming bloody murder. (As for Reagan, do the research. Check the record, not the hype. Be objective.)

212

219 -- Well, in the strictest sense, no, Reagan was not a "pure" conservative, but what is missing from the above is the acknowledgement that a president (or a leader if you will) cannot be so pure as to be hard headed -- the only leaders who are that "pure" and/or stick to their ideological guns all the time tend to be fascist dictators, not leaders of free people.

Suffice it to say that Reagan was conservative enough and a clever leader who for the most part (I have my criticisms of him) worked to serve his people -- that's all you can really ask of a president/leader.

Hmmm, in that light it makes for an interesting comparison, then and now, doesn't it?

 

213 O/T:  Am watching HGTV and they are showing two people from maryland a house in the carribbean where they plan to retire.  They say they live in "the planned community of columbia, maryland".  he said he was a project manager for the IRS and she works for a package delivery service.  they only had to save ten years for their carribbean dream home and the pictures of the home in maryland indicate they are above the norm.  what irks me the most is that they appear to be "the new rich".  civil "servants" living in DC and environs, whose property value has remained untouched through the entire "bubble" and who have perks up the wazoo.  BO just raised their salaries and doesn't plan to cut any of their perks.  they appear to be very wealthy, more wealthy than the truly wealthy that I do know.  Yet the truly wealthy that I do know would not be buying a house on a carribbean island.  It seems the government employees are the ones who are the sneaky ones, the ones manipulating the system and laughing all the way to the bank.  While the truly wealthy will go untouched, the people with jobs in the private sector earning similar amounts to these public "servants" are being screwed on a daily basis.  These people in DC and environs have no clue as to what the rest of the country is going through and they don't relay give a damn, scarlet.

214 @ 221 I can go along withthat. What I object to is the deification of politicians, whatever their party or ideology. I'm not even saying that Governor Palin would make a bad president. I think she'd do a better job than anyone we've seen since Eisenhower. What I object to is the deification of this woman (or any other politician), in view of the light that she is something of a career politician. (Eighteen years in politics is, by definition, a career politician.) Like the left did with Obama, people are setting their expectations way too high and they will be disappointed. In any case, she isn't a 'true' conservative. She's more of a libertarian/independent mixed with an authoritarian Assembly of Gods theology.

215 This Bonersteel guy is kind of a shithead.

216 This Bonersteel guy is kind of a shithead.

He's preaching to the choir, that's for sure.

217 .

He's preaching to the choir, that's for sure. Posted by: toby928 at February 07, 2010 01:27 PM     I do not think that phrase means what you think it means.

 

 

218 He's preaching to the choir, that's for sure.

Preaching yes, choir not so much.

219 @223 OK, Warren, I can agree with you on that to a point.  But really, you're making it seem worse than it really is regarding her following.  Some are rabid Ron Paul types, yes, but the other 90% just like her.  That's it.  We like her. 

On a side note I'd like to see her packing heat for her next speech.

220 I'm not a concern troll and I've posted here for years.

I would like to win in 2010 and 2012.  I think Palin can help with that tremendously -- she's a great speaker and will be a fabulous fundraiser.  A lot of people adore her.

The flip side of that is that, thanks to the media's smear job against her, a lot of people think she's Caribou Barbie.  That image, once in place, is very hard to undo.

The Republicans need to run a stellar candidate against Obama, even if his poll numbers continue to sink.  We need someone who's going to be strong out of the gate, not someone who needs his/her image retooled first.

221 choir not so much

I don't think many of us are susceptible to a cult of personality.  YMMV.

222 223--What I object to is the deification of this woman (or any other politician), in view of the light that she is something of a career politician. (Eighteen years in politics is, by definition, a career politician.)

Now wait a minute.  A career politician is someone who has never held a job outside politics--Barack Obama and John Thune, a good conservative who some like for POTUS, are good examples.  Sarah Palin is a working class lady who has worked the "slime line," waitressed and run her own fishing business.  Yes she was also a small town mayor and a governor for less than one term.  She now holds no political position.  To call her a "career politicial" strips all meaning out of the term.

I give you credit though, for originality with that one.  Most of her detractors think she hasn't spent enough time in government.

223 @223- I think I might understand where you are going with this.

 This part here- ""What I object to is the deification of politicians, whatever their party or ideology."

As a looong time reader of ancient history I can understand that point. It does seem to be a repeating theme in history as far back as the ancient Egyptians, where pharaoh was "god" on earth, or to the roman emperors, or the popes and European kings during the dark ages, or the pre wwII Japanese with their "emperor god",  to the German people with their Hitler, and on and on. In all cases these leaders were deified, and not much good came out of it.

The one shining moment in history was the creation of America, it really was a different way of doing things. I understand your "warnings", because even here there is a tendency to slip back into old ways. Ted kennedy is a perfect example, the fucking "people" created the kennedy dynasty and as a result the drunken pos was in the senate for a billion years when he should have been in frigging prison.

I always look at a leader and say to myself  "what would they be like in a government other than ours". We know damn well obama  is a wanabee marxist dictator, he has ALL....ALL the classic signs. You can interchange him with pumpkin head over in N Korea as easy as you can swap your left sock for your right sock.

I never got that feeling with Reagan or Bush, but then again the defining difference between conservatives and liberals has been where conservatives celebrate leaders who are good for the country because when the country is healthy we all benefit. Liberals celebrate leaders who are good for "them" and the country be damned. Obama's apology tour was a classic example, it was bad for the country but great for the left because it made THEM feel good. They are waaaaay more inclined to deify their fucked up leaders as gods than the right will ever be. 

224 229--"not a concern troll" who do you have in mind?  and, nice one, Caribou Barbie, haven't heard that one since Dum Dum left.

225 Concerned Curious @ 215 " _{Lately, she has been very effective as private citizen Sarah Palin.  With no horse in the race she can and does say anything she wants to say without having to worry about whether or not she will be elected to any public office.  She's in a great position to effect change.  Most politicians must be so jealous} "

Got it.  She's better off as a private citizen.  She should stay retired from politics, for her own greater political effectiveness.  Yuh-huh. 

Warren Bullshit @ 216 "^{_{Actually, Reagan wasn't much of a conservative. He was a social liberal who}} "

Yuh-huh.  CLICK. 
What else is on?

226 229--"not a concern troll" who do you have in mind?  and, nice one, Caribou Barbie, haven't heard that one since Dum Dum left.

I was called a concern troll above.  (I didn't post under my usual name -- Scout, but S.Alito by accident, as that was what was in the name box -- I think that was from the SOTU night -- and I didn't remember to change it back to Scout before I posted).

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure why I've been down on Palin lately.  Mr. Scout reminded me of how much I loved her when she first joined the McCain campaign.  And I did -- she energized his entire campaign.  But, I don't know . . . I just don't think she's the strongest candidate we can run.

Then again, I was all for Teh Fred getting the nomination in 2008, so maybe I don't have the best judgment in these matters.

227

229 -- That is unfortunately what I take away from what has happened; she's been smeared perhaps irreparably by the media.  That would be a huge handicap during a campaign, let alone if she managed to win (think BDS on a whole lot of steroids...she'd be lucky to get anything accomplished with the media yapping at her flanks constantly).  She is however, the ideal king maker imho -- so let her do that.

Yes, she is more of the libertarian persuasion imho -- or at least fiscal conservative and a social libertarian conservative.  Perhaps that is the thing I like most about her (plus being a true feminist -- it's been a long time since I have gotten to see a true feminist role model, more please).  I think Warren is very incorrect as far as I have not seen her interject her religious beliefs very strongly at all in how she ran her governorship -- she has not been coy about expressing her personal beliefs, but as far as I know, she has always been very upfront informing her audience that her beliefs are hers personally. 

As for her deification: well, I can see that being a problem.  She is a strong personality, and these are desperate times.  People are going to naturally be susceptible to cult of personality (hah, you don't have to go very far to see where that has happened already!).  I'm not so sure she has been so guilty of fostering this as it has been foisted on her by some of her more rabid fans -- the verdict is out there.  I think it would be wise for people to remember that she is merely human and is not perfect...and to not go projecting one's hopes and wishes on any other person, least of all a politician.  It isn't healthy.

228 Scout and Unknown Jane, unless they've been namejacked, are positively not concern trolls.  As if me vouching for them meant anything to anybody, sure, they're okay.  They're making points I disagree with, but that doesn't make them trolls. 
  Sgt.BS, USMC and Concerned Curious, however, not so much.

229 126, K-Bob, so good it had to be said again:

I love how so many genius-level policy experts (translation: smartest narcissist in the room) love to recommend how much she needs to study more, go into detail, minutiae, be an expert like, well, ME! Ghod... oghodoghod, please someone notice how fzcking smart I am!

She does exactly what she needs to do: articulate the philosophy, show the guts to follow through, and leave the details to the experts. 

We have President Smartest Badass Ever To Hold Office, with the highest IQ (so high that no one knows how high it is), currently proving that a grounding in solid philosophy that has been historically proven to work is worth much more than all the IQ points the elitists can scrape together.

230 229--I just don't think she's the strongest candidate we can run.

but you beg the question.  Who IS? (and hey I like Fred, but come on, he had no energy)  And if you're not trolling, why repeat the Caribou Barbie crap, which is the stock in trade of Palin trolls?

231 237--Stoop Davey,
I'll tell you why I called out 229 as a troll:
"Caribou Barbie," 'I used to support her, ' saying there is someone better but never naming the alternative and even "I'm not a concern troll."  All of these are sure signs of the anti-Palin troll.

232

Well thank you Dave, and no, I'm not a concern troll because there is no agenda in what I write here.  This is merely a fun place to express my opinions, nothing more or less.

I think Sarah Palin is a powerful personality and has been up until this a very good and clever leader and a bit of a statesman.  I appreciate that about her and find it a shame that she has been smeared.  Unfortunately, it would have repercussions for any run for office she would make (at least as far as 2012 is concerned).  It isn't fair, but life is not fair.  Does she have a place in American politics?  Most definitely yes!  We most definitely need people like her reminding people of who we really are, rallying the people to take charge of their futures, and helping to put the breaks on the facist steamroller that has become our government.  Is a campaign for the presidency the best place for her right now?  I don't believe so -- things may change however; nobody knows what will happen between now and then.  Still, a lot of things would have to change.  I don't believe the best canidate to run against the precedent has been revealed yet.  I hope the person who will be his opponent is a good and clever leader who can win -- we can't afford anything else.

233 236  think BDS on a whole lot of steroids...she'd be lucky to get anything accomplished with the media yapping at her flanks constantly).

That argues for nominating someone the media likes.  No thanks, been there, done that.  I'm supporting someone that I like, not someone the media likes.  This is the classic establishment GOP argument vs Palin that Frum and others have been making since Sept. 2008.  Fail.

234 I believe Moe, that the "Caribou Barbie" comment was merely an example of how she has been smeared.  It is unfortunately the truth: she has been smeared most horribly by the media, and many people can't see beyond that.  It wasn't meant as trolling imho. 

235 Hey, Moe -- why don't you take your thumb out of your fucking ass and go back and reread what I wrote?

I  was not calling her Caribou Barbie.  My whole point is that there are a lot of fucking people out there who do.  Someone even showed up at our annual Halloween Party dressed as "Caribou Barbie."  And that's the sort of shit that sticks to a candidate.

236

242 -- No, it does not mean "picking somebody the media likes"; it's merely the sad truth.  Until the left has damaged itself irreparably, they will pull out all stops to destroy her...and people will listen to them.  Now, things may change to the point that the people of this country will stop listening to such tripe, but until the time comes the smears and derangement will be in play -- to the detriment of Palin or anyone else like her. 

This is where the opposition needs to work at undercutting the media -- the left needs to be undercut first.  They need to be revealed for what they really are.  It's starting; perhaps by 2011 the realities will be such that my concerns will no longer be valid.  I won't be unhappy if that came to pass.  I hope I can look back and say I was completely wrong here.

237 drop dead, troll.  Take it back to KOS.

238 Posted by: Stoop Davy Dave at February 07, 2010 02:22 PM (ZO7ND)

why the "concerned curious" label.  To diminish my opinion. Which is quite valid since I am not a conservative, I am an independent and, as such, think as an independent.  Btw, Stoop Davy Dave, go look up all my previuos posts as "muffy".  While i was steadfastly defending Sarah Palin on her first day out with the wolves, andoid sullivan comes to mind, were you fighting alongside me?

I want Sarah Palin to be effective, period  I want her to do whatever she wants to do, period.  When she signals that she wants to run for president, i'll be right there but, until then, I respect the person that she is and do worry about the way we boil candidates down in this modern age of twitter and facebook. It almost seems to be that no candidate can make themselves heard in this environment where news is made of twitter not on the MSM and no longer on cable.  Doesn't it worry anyone else that we voted a man into office, have watched him completely ignore any and all campaign and after election promises (which are on video and audio) and did exactly what he wants to do, regardless of what the American people think and using the excuse that he knows best?  We need Sarah Palin to not make any promises.  To tell the American people the truth.  Since it appears that no one in DC cares to take up that little peccadillo.  We also need her to make sure she doesn't sugar coat anything,   And she doesn't promise anything she may not be able to deliver due to the DC climate.

Calling me a concern troll again, when I am clearly not, is just dumb.

239 245--You say "people will listen" to the media, and you are right to an extent.  But the people who listen to the media aren't on our side, or at least, on my side, anyway.  So I am going to pick s/o I like, the media be damned.  And who is it you prefer?  Give us a little context for your Palin critique.

240 oh and BTW, I think that the tea party movement is proof that the American people have caught on.  they realize that they don't want their candidates picked by the media and the parties.  They truly want to pick their candidates and I think there may come a time where they may pick a  conservative democrat and blow everyone's circuits.  But, they may do so, knowing they vetted there person and their intentions are pure, regardless of what letter appears after their name.

I do think that you guys ought to discuss Bachman and Blackburn pulling out and saying it was cause of the money and where it may be going.  Bachman is not an ally to lose.  These people who are running these tea parties need to be on the same page and a united front with clearly deliniiated goals and a blance sheet that is transparent.    Althought seems like the meaning of the word transparent is being corrupted by everyone.

See regular people are getting it, they are starting to pay attention.  If, for one second they think the tea party movement is being corrupted in any way, is not really speaking for them, or is in danger of becoming like the democrat and republicans parties, they will pull back and that is exactly what the administration would love to see.

241

246 -- Oh please, try not to overheat yourself.  No, I'm not a "true blue conservative", whatever that is.  I am a moderate for the most part, for want of any better way to describe myself.  That does not mean that I'm "the enemy" -- I want very badly to get rid of the statists who would like to strip the Constitution and who don't care one whit for the people other than as a way to gain more power.  So, you can either accept our differences of opinion...or you can keep spouting inflamatory rhetoric and attempt to drive people like myself away.

I think it's a perfectly valid thing to think about: is Sarah Palin better off and better for the cause of getting rid of some of the idiots we now have in D.C. (and making life difficult for their supporters) where she is at now, or as a canidate for president?  Right now, she's better off where she is at -- and excuse me, oh great conservative Moe, but what part of "that may change" did you not read?

By the way, is that the general gist of what you were saying too Curious?

242 As for "who I prefer" -- honestly right now I don't know who would be best.  I really, really like Allen West, but I don't think he'd be ready for 2012.  I like Sarah Palin, but 2012 may be too soon, what with the media on her as they are.  That.  may.  change.  It's a hard thing (because I believe that things would have to get very, very bad before the people stop listening to the media as it is right now, and I don't really want harder times than they already are!), but there you have it.  I don't think the best canidate to run against the liar has been shown yet, and that may be a blessing in disguise (let's face it, whoever the GOP or any opposition party for that matter, chooses to run will be sniped at by the media -- it might be wise to keep them out of the spotlight until the last possible minute -- a bolt out of the blue as it were; it might just work).

243

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 07, 2010 11:07 AM (oeESr)

Just a few corrections.  Reagan was a fiscal and national security conservative.  His social (domestic) conservatism involved less spending and less government. Fannie Mae was created in 1938 as part of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal. In 1968, due to fiscal pressures created by the Vietnam War, Lyndon B. Johnson privatized Fannie Mae in order to remove it from the national budget. Reagan had nothing to do with Fannie Mae. 

He didn't "talk nice" to bad guys like the Soviets or Libya.

As for the marines; I was in Iraq twice (Desert Storm and OIF) and in Bosnia.  The Army has been there for awhile. You're late to that party.

As for a Great Leader, an exhumed Ronald Reagan would be a far better leader than the socialist assclown we're saddled with now.

Disclosure: SFC, US ARMY 1976-2006

 

244 Posted by: unknown jane at February 07, 2010 03:07 PM (5/yRG)

I think the media anointed John McCain as the candidate for the republicans and the conservatives and republicans allowed them to do this.  He would not have even been in the running were it not for Sarah Palin.  I watched how people on here systematically ate their own.  Mitt was a mormon, rudy wore a dress on SNL.  Huckabee, was too religious  Fred Thompson was accused of all manner of maladies.  Tom Tancredo was dissected as well.  The republicans/conservatives helped set the stage for mr. no vote and watch me get  rid of all opponents was able to be "a bolt out of the blue" and, with a little help from the MSM who after a while began to believe their own lies about the boosh administration and MeCain and Palin, were the enablers.  I think you are right...a bolt out of the blue, able to replicate what BO and his army did, might be nice.  Problem is the republicans and the conservatives are too honest and honorable...they can't keep secrets...it would never work.

245 The upside of being cast as 'caribou barbie' of course is that when you trot yourself out for review the expectations are already in the toilet.
Then when you demonstrate the not only are you NOT barbie material but in fact are very engaging, articulate, and knowledgeable, you blow right through the artificial ceiling of audience beliefs.
Under-sell  -- over-deliver. ALWAYS a winning technique.
If you saw Palin on FoxNews Sunday you know exactly what I mean. She handled Chris Wallace with ease, and grace, and a clear intellegence. And THAT'S not an easy thing to do. Ever.

I thought that a run in 2012 was an outlandish idea. Now ----- not so out there at all.
Not at all.

246 Posted by: Dougf at February 07, 2010 04:40 PM (Dn/ok)

haven't seen the Wallace interview yet, however, I did see the CNN take on the Wallace interview and they managed to say that Wallace did a fair interview but, as usual, Sarah was not up to the task.  They showed a clip of her being challenged about her saying the prez was trying to tell us what to do.  In the absence of being able to reference a clip of some sort she failed, in their eyes, to reference the speech about turning off your tv's.  If you are only getting your news from CNN, you thought the interview was an epic fail.  Ugh I hate the MSM.

247 I like this broad.

248 HOPE you got some CHANGE left.

249 I am so glad I came back to this thread!  For a while I forgot that I needed to be reminded of important things, like to drive on the right side of the road, not drink and talk at the same time, wash my hands frequently, and never talk to strangers. That's why I come here; to get help with the incredibly obvious.  For the "merely" obvious, I get help at other, more intellectual sites, like spankwire youtube.

You idiot conservatives had better pay heed. Clearly you need to be told not to "worship" someone.  I mean, hell, conservatives are mostly atheists, struggling in the dark, dangerous world, just looking for a personal deity they can send messages to on FaceBook, and follow on Twitter. Probably. Right?

You know I'm right.  Hell, for an hour or so I almost forgot we were "worshiping" someone.  Mmm Mmm Mmmmmmm!

And boy, we sure are lucky to have someone tell us Palin is damaged goods because, well, ...she's been smeared you see.  Smeared like a bug on the great windscreen of life. (Or at least, the one provided to you for free by the MSM and beltway elites.) Yep, tainted forever.  Dried on fast by the sun, so bad you'll wear the edge off two Alaska State quarters trying to chisel her off. Then you can drive safely into a smear-free future; far from those cretins in Alaska.

(Hell, they're so close to Russia, they're practically foreign agents Jews Israelis foreigners anyway.)

Yes, I'm concerned.  Concerned! I'm so frikkin' concerned that I must tell you all how very concerned I am.  And how you should be, too.  You know how you get: you are so busy drooling and "dipping" that you forget, sometimes, to duct tape your precious few, still-functioning neurons into some semblance of a network, long enough to engage your failing sense of caution. So straighten up, pay attention, and say it with me:

Must.Be.Careful.Not.To.Trust.Palin.

That wasn't so hard, was it? I'm sure I lodged that into your biohazard of a brain. So slick you'd never notice. And now you know.

I'm sure you'll forget by this time tomorrow.  But for now, you know.

250

“I would be willing to if I believe that it’s right for the country,” Palin said when asked if she would run for president in 2012.

She qualified the statement, adding that she sees “many” other potential candidates who are “in as strong or stronger position than I am to take on the White House and if they’re in a better position than I in three years, I’ll support them.”

Still haven't seen the interview.  Still haven't really watched the game because the hostess gets to heat everything up and get the meal out...but they are having a good time.

That was as far as I am concerned the perfect answer.  The world is traveling at too fast a pace.  You can barely predict what's going to happen in the next couple of hours, look at poor CT and the explosion where people were killed, no less the next couple of days or year or years.  What she managed to get across was that her prime concern is the welfare of this country and of all Americans.  Now that is a good thing.

251 If Palin and Romney both run, that's going to drive me to drink.  Because I am concerned she could win the nomination, but never win in November 2012.

252 Redneck Palm Pilot. Check.

253 245--Until the left has damaged itself irreparably, they will pull out all stops to destroy her...and people will listen to them. 

Congrats, that is some of the lamest crap I've read here since David Frum was last linked.

254 eman@110:
'All Presidents learn on the job and a great of what folks think a President needs to know in order to do a good job is in fact exactly what they should avoid like the Devil.'

"foreign and domestic policy minutia" is for followers, not leaders.

YESSSS! Eman gets it! I wish more people did.
The people who think Sarah needs to know every detail about every subject are obviously people who have never been in leadership positions themselves.

I have the good fortune to be acquainted with many excellent leaders in business, politics and the community, and have learned a lot by watching the way they operate. While intelligence (which Sarah has in spades) is needed in a good leader, sheer volume of facts is not. That is what advisers are for. What you want to look for in a leader is therefore the uncommonly good judgment about things that enables them to pick good people. And a leader must have a passionate enough gut-level commitment to the project that they will invest themselves wholeheartedly in it. There are many, many other attributes that make a good leader, but being a walking encyclopedia is not one of them.

255 OK here's what I demand of any potential leader just for starters:

Will you do your absolute best to keep me and my kids safe from terrorist attack?

If it becomes necessary to conscript my kids for a war, will it be a just war, and will you have a sane, smart strategy that minimizes the odds of lives being wasted stupidly, and will you move heaven and earth to make sure we WIN the sucker?

Will you reduce the deficit so that my great-granchildren's great-granchildren are not still paying off the debt?

Will you repeal the death tax permanently so that all that my family has worked to build for two generations will not be flushed down the toilet?

Will you respect, revere, preserve and protect the United States Constitution?

Will you do everything possible to restore the liberties that have been stolen from me by the federal government in the past 40 years?

Will you appoint judges and justices who respect the Constitution and see their job as one of interpretation rather than legislation?

Will you work to protect babies from being murdered before birth, and will you work as untiringly and as passionately in that cause as Abraham Lincoln worked to abolish chattel slavery?

I'm endeavoring to raise my children with a sense of the sacredness of sex and marriage, the dignity of all human beings, and the instincts to recognize and desire truth, beauty and goodness. Are you going to make my task easier--or at least, not any more difficult than it already is?

256 formerly muffy inexplicably dba "curious" @ 247
>>, go look up all my previuos posts as "muffy".  <<

Wait, what?  Muffy is you?  Hmp.
Well, I've got no reason to doubt you, but then again, I've got no reason NOT to doubt you.

>> While i was steadfastly defending Sarah Palin on her first day out with the wolves, andoid sullivan comes to mind, were you fighting alongside me?<<

See, now, if I were juuuuust slightly less scrupulous, I could just as easily tell you to "go look up all my previous posts as 'JackStraw'," but other than bringing the real JackStraw (*) down on my ass, I don't see that working out well for me.
     (* and no, I'm kidding, I'm not him, except in my dreams)

>>I want Sarah Palin to be effective, period <<

You want her to retire from seeking and holding elected offices, and have some rhetorical convolutions about how that would make her more effective.  You quack, walk, swim, and fly like a duck, and expect me to think of you as a swan. 

>>Doesn't it worry anyone else that we voted a man into office, have watched him completely ignore any and all campaign and after election promises (which are on video and audio) and did exactly what he wants to do, regardless of what the American people think and using the excuse that he knows best? <<

It worries me that you seem to think this digression does something to support your point about Sarah Palin.
Here's mine, just to be clear about it:"
I agree, with you and Scout and Unknown Jane, about how badly and unjustly she's been damaged by the sleazebag media; but I jolly well DISagree about what to do about it.
If Bill "Comeback Kid" Clinton could overcome his peccadilloes, shit!, if Richard Fucking Milhouse Nixon could overcome HIS peccadilloes, then Saracuda Palin can BY GOD damn well do the same thing!  She's better and smarter and honester AND looks better in a tight skirt than either of those fools, and they both did the exact same thing that you are telling me that she could never do.  So I think you're underestimating her, badly.
Worse, I think if your p.o.v. prevails, then David Brooks and all his crybaby ilk are winning, and to me, it's critical that they do NOT win.  And truly, they ONLY win when and if SHE gives up.  So she'd better not, because she's right and they're utterly utterly wrong. 
To whatever extent your position overlaps theirs, you're wrong too.

>>Calling me a concern troll again, when I am clearly not, is just dumb. <<

You don't think I'm called "Stoop" by mistake, do you?

257

I love the concern troll/media put downs on Sarah . . . because it reminds me of how they also thought Ronald Magnimus Reagan was too stupid to be president.  

Reagan, against all advice from the smart guys removed the price controls on fuel and let the market work. Within months price of gas was down $.60.  Reagan told the air traffic controllers that they wouldn't like the outcome of an illegal strike.  Sent the lazy buzzards home.  Reagan was told he was too naive and inexperienced to stand up to the smarties in the USSR. We know how that turned out.

Sarah's rejection by MSM and lefty concern trolls - as good as an endorsement to me.

And the fact that they unwittingly remind us of Reagan every single time they bash Palin:   mmmmmm mmmmmm good!

258

Oh and Reagan spent years doing exactly what Palin is doing now:  journaling, writing, speaking and debating.  He was honing his thought process and sharpening the axe so to speak. 

By the time he stepped up to be POTUS, he had a clear and unambiguous view of who he was and what he believed. 

Palin is headed the same direction. Ideas matter.  Character matters.  Ability to communicate, explain, inspire and defend matters.

Not "worshipping her" you numbnuts, just pointing out what is in the works.

259 In 2008, we saw astroturfing on a national scale. We have a bought President who was delivered by the corporate media.

Sarah Palin called these scumbags out in one of best political barnburners in recent history. We saw the birth of a political star and the advent of an actual grassroots movement. The powers that be declared war on the heartland then.

I like this woman, and I trust her. Even if she is far from perfect, she is tough, courageous and highly effective. Sarah Palin gets things done. She loves this country, and it shows whenever she speaks. I am happy to watch her fortunes unfold and see her assume the mantle of leadership.

Actually, I'm content with the 2008 election outcome in that we can finally put to rest any notion that this country is anything but a land of opportunity. We have someone now who can potentially get the dangerous jackass in the Oval office ousted and move America in the right direction. This person will not be learning on the job, either; we are all witnessing their education.

260 PS "Hi Mom!" was hilarious. God, I love this woman.

261 life insurance quotes , health insurance quotes 0:

262 train tickets,
dental insurance quotes,
train tickets,