1 Wizard's 3rd rule:

Passion rules reason, For better or for worse.

2 Assuming we take back the House in November, wait 'till you see the lame duck session.  You think these donkeys are bad now?  Wait until they've lost and are no longer accountable to the people.

3 Will the election change any of that?

4 The perfect storm of voter fury is building. 

5 F1rst!

Posted by: sickinmass at August 05, 2010 07:24 PM (1rflU)

*points and laughs*

6 delicious.

7 My teenage daughter asked me offhand last night about the Prop 8 decision, and soon I found myself talking about gallows and heads on pikes. I had to stop and shut myself up, because I'm going completely batshit nuts. I've become a right-wing parody of every leftwing Bush hater I used to mock.

But I just can't stop....

8 O/T, but looking at the ad below the post - Michele Bachmann really is a beautiful woman.

9 Wizard's 5th rule (modified)

Mind what people politicians do, not only what they say, for deeds will betray a lie.

10 Good , readable explanation of why we are fucked .

11 Nothing.  That's what it means.

12 Awesome take on the situation.

13 Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.

14

I've become a right-wing parody of every leftwing Bush hater I used to mock.

Yeh, I was suprised at the things coming out of my mouth when I was telling my mom about the rumor about mortgages being paid off for some people.

15 >>>Can you get your people elected? Oh I think we can, little brother.

16 I think we'll have the tapas tonight.  And take the dog for a walk, Lieutenant.

17 Consider secession.  Please.

Consider gasoline, road, matches, play....please

18 erg, You know what it's going to fucking be like? Like the last fucking five minutes of the fucking Godfather, erg. All your dreams are about to have their throats torn out.

19 19 I think we'll have the tapas tonight.  And take the dog for a walk, Lieutenant.

Marie Antoinette.  Let 'em eat Cash for Clunkers.  The RNC should hammer the shit out of this.  How out of touch the "Party of the People" is...

20 Not so "pre" in some quarters.  Just sayin'.

21 Sally - see you on election night. read em and weep. your perfect vehicle candidate Obama fked the party for a long time to come. all of us dems (now ex-dems) who Donna Brazile said they didn't need will be laughing and voting against you - we have been waiting since November 2008.

22 Someone needs to tell Martha the let the expert do the talking. 

23 27 - Hussein - Martha makes me sick. I remember her during the election she was slobbering over Obama and now she acts like she is on the right side. fk her.

24 In 3 months, President I Won is going to get an electoral SHAFT up his ass!

25 Wizard's 10th rule for Erg

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self.

26

And Michael Steele is...trying to meet with foreign ambassadors.

27 "Pre-revolutionary."  Hmm. Maybe this country isn't lost after all.

28

15 Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.

 

Consider dying of AIDS, please.

29   If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.


Perhaps you've read my decision?

30

I will never forget the CNN headline in 96, "What went wrong?" They ran it all day.

This time they should be able to answer the question much faster.

Yet, I'm still surprised that anyone is surprised by the anger.

31 There's no longer any question about "who decides." It hasn't been us for a long time. I agree that we'll take the country back, but I'm not at all sure that will happen through normal electoral processes.

32 #24  So, you are telling me Harry Reid, Dick Durbin and Chuckie Schummer were off base when they were complaining back in 2004 about the rights of the minority in the Senate.

Don't ask Sally to make a coherent point.  You'd have better luck trying to get some of Obama's school records.

33 Pat knows his shit.  He is the original "old hand".  I have a lot of respect for him.  Did you hear the shit in his throat?  He didn't fake that.

34
that's not eggmcmuffin

it's another longtime troll

35 Smell the glove.

36 Gee, it's like everyone here is expecting a fair election.

Once a Democrat, always a Democrat. And death never stopped anyone in Chicago (home of Dear Leader) from voting.

Plus... we can't prosecute the Black Panthers for intimidation, that's racist.

So expect lots of dead people and intimidation on voting day.

Mark.
My.
Words.

37 1. Martha needs to shut it a couple times in this interview

2. Cadell is spot on, but he took a little swipe at Reps with that line "Republicans don't have to care about the people, but Democrats do", really Pat? Reps turn their back on the base (i.e: av. hardworking American) and they end up getting bitch-slapped by them for screwing it up, Dems do everything their base claims to be against (ie.: poor people looking for handouts) and they don't give a damn because they're still getting paid. Other than that, right on Pat

3. MI is not a heavy blue state, they haven't gone red since 88 yes, but in 92 and 96 it was close and in 00 and 04 Bush just lost the state by a teeth both times, does it lean blue? yes, but it's not the heavy blue state Pat seems to think it is; of course he could be talking about the local MI politics which I don't know much about

4. yeah I still say we barely take the House w/ a 40-50 seat gain and just barely lose the Senate

38 Al Franken Was Making Faces While Mitch McConnell Was Talking About Kagan Today.

39
All your dreams are about to have their throats torn out.

hahaha, you're getting mixed up with MACGRUBER. But I think you know that.

40 So expect lots of dead people and intimidation on voting day.

No offense shibumi, but that prediction won't get you a profile in courage award.  The polls will be open, right?

41 Prop 8. Unemployment near 10%. Ground Zero mosque. Individual mandate. Government Motors. Oil spill nonchalance. "Watch this drive.". Yeah. Erg's the one who is gonna be talking secession come November.

42 I wouldn't exactly start crying if units of an army division took the Capitol, State Dept., SCOTUS and White House under "protective custody." Meh, I'd start waving flags.

43 But Intrade has the Dems up by 20%!!!!!!!! *okay, it isn't really a poll thread, better than missing one though.*

44 After this red wave wins, I expect to be welcomed back into the conservative bloggers' club again!

45 What is amazing about all of this is the idea that some skinny little fuck stick from the inner ghettos of Chicago was somehow supposed to coalesce America.

Fuck this little race hustling bastard.

We have a country to run.  The rap artists, the politicians, the  scum - only feed off of that endeavor. 

46 shibumi - I can tell you that all the voting members of my family that were dems will not ever go back so not so sure about that once a dem always a dem thing. Okay, I do have one in my family who is an Obama slobbering idiot still but that is it.

47 But...but...RACISTS!

48 Does Intrade really have the Democrats up by 20?

49 A few weeks ago Hugh Hewitt as well as D.Morris described flipping the Senate as possible. The numbers made sense but I just don't get the feel it will happen. On the other hand, msybe the election of an add clown in MN clears a path for a WWF exec in CT?

50 No offense shibumi, but that prediction won't get you a profile in courage award.  The polls will be open, right?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 05, 2010 07:40 PM (lN56Y)

Here at the Obama Department of Justice, we want you to know that protecting whitey's right to vote is our firstest priority.

51 Hey. Where's my comment? I must be going "coup-coup"

52

CBS, NBC, and ABC did not cover the Missouri prop C in which 71% voted against being forced to participate in or be fined for not participating in Obamacare. Thus, most of the country does not know about it.

So, we take the house and senate in November. The MSM spins it as nothing, and then starts to blame all the problems these turds have created on the Republicans and they pound it day in and day out until 2012. Plus the Precedent does his car keys bit every day until then. By 2012 the Dems are back in business.

53 Ace, for some people it's still a "policy debate" (think Ed "Pillsbury Doughboy" Morrissey, the crowd at NRO and all the talkers on TV) and will be until Osama Obama pulls the plugs on their connections.

Yes, there are occasional flashes of righteous and justified anger, but these people have the attention spans of gnats. Distract them with a shiny trinket (who really gives a fuck if the Park Service bought new windows for an abandoned building, or if David Frum and some other blogger are having a tiff? or a question about what Zombie William F Buckley would think of some little think tank's "position paper" on Greenspan v. some other economics wanker) and they are happy as kittens in catnip.

Your Mencken quote at the head of the page is right on target, and if someone chooses to rally the troops we might be able to view it as a metaphor and not a reality.

We have seen the nation pushed closer to destruction since 1861 (maybe even closer than it was then) by Osama Obama and his totalitarian hordes. The Constitution hovers just above toilet-paper status in their world, and no law is safe from being broken. No right of the citizenry is too precious to take away, and no terrorist is too evil to suck up to.

And yet, people keep talking about trivia, never choosing to look at the real core evil.

Maybe we need our own Journolist, where those who care about the country can formulate a unified approach to saving it.

Don't expect many of our elected officials to stand up for America, though. They are as fat and happy as the legislators in a certain country whose leader's name must never be mentioned with Obama's (though decency couldn't keep it from being linked with Bush's) right before said leader, a totalitarian, demented, hate-filled racist (sound familiar?) stripped them of power and became Fuh Absolute Ruler.

Ready, Ace?

54 THAT'S ASS CLOWN.

55 Does Intrade really have the Democrats up by 20? Posted by: Kensington at August 05, 2010 07:42 PM (mEyVv) Heh. Gotcha.

56
I like Pat Cadell but...

Michael Barone > Pat Cadell

Barone is the election guru.

57 45 Al Franken Was Making Faces While Mitch McConnell Was Talking About Kagan Today.

Do you need to know any more about the caliber and character of the "party of the People?"  Al Fucking Franken in the US Senate?   Jessie Ventura, Al Franken... can someone please inform the Good People of Minnesota that electoral politics is not a goof?   These assholes make Walter Mondale look like a statesman.  Shit, they make Hughie Long look like a statesman.

58 Martha's got a nice set of walking sticks.

59 I'll believe it when I see it. The Dems have got a lot a cards they can play between now and Nov.

60 Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.

reply (italics won't go away):

we got our people elected in NJ (O won w/ 58%), VA (O won w/ 53%), & MA (O won w/ 62%), wait until the other states have their say, espc. since most states now disapprove of Obama including swing states

the revolution will be televised and noted this November on election night

a minority shouldn't get their way anyway, what if I had said such in summer of 2005? did not LBJ himself work w/ the minority party in 1964 to to get their way and pass civil rights? you do know that right? it was the minority party, the Reps who helped LBJ push that

61

"We. Don't. Care."

Followed up with:

"We. Will. Do. What. We. Please."

You forgot "Shut up, racist."

62

Posted by: parisparamuss at August 05, 2010 07:42 PM (x2wZ5)

that would be WWE exec and she would be tons better and classier then Franken or Ventura

63 Just finished dinner and haven't read a single comment.  Let me just say I feel the fucking rage.  I've never felt this way in my middle-aged life. 

64 -->And it's not just personal, but fundamental: Who decides in America? The people, as the books claim? Or the elite, as common practice seems to have it?

This is not the dilemma.  It is not merely a matter of the political class versus the People.  We are at a strange juncture where the political class is intentionally trying to destroy every and tradition that was America.  We are seeing the modern left act as if they are the second coming of the French Revolution.  I'm a bit surprised that they haven't tried to hit us with the Revolutionary Calendar, 10 day weeks and such, in order to break the bonds society has with organized religion.  This is who the modern left are.  They are just another group, but a group that hates everything about us and who we are.

Normally, even this group of self-hating retards is kept within limits, because of unconscious ties they have to American culture.  This is why Shrillary and Bill let their health scare die a normal death.  They couldn't help themselves.  It seemed to them as if they had no choice.  But, get someone with no real ties to American culture, a non-natural born citizen running things, and none of those cultural or traditional taboos have any power.  Quite the opposite.  The Indonesian Imbecile reveled in taking the most un-American tack on everything, and then trying to ram it down our throats in the most un-American way possible.  The useful idiot Americans, upon seeing this, now feel themselves freed from those heretofore unacknowledged cultural ties and limits, so now they are just as dangerous as the alien.  We saw this in the last push of health scare and now into the secession-inducing issues of direct assault by the feral government on the citizenry with illegal aliens, marriage, guns, and health care ... among others.

As the useful idiots are emboldened by these continuing actions, this process will end exactly where every reasonable person knows it will.

65 It is interesting. I've always lived around liberals and got used to being the polite right-winger. I lean more libertarian so they don't hate me as much. So I've taken shit my whole life and just ... accepted that that was the way of the world. But lately I've changed. I'm not polite anymore. I curse way more than I ever used to. I used to patiently explain my point when libs played the race card, now I just tell them to fuck off. I really have started to kind of hate them as people.  From my perspective they willingly chose evil. They cheered evil. And they try to bully me with the race card every time I complain.

Also, especially in the area I live (smallish city/college town) the left controls pretty much every instrument of power and position of status. My income has suffered now that I'm more open about my views as  has, frankly, my social and dating life. I'm considering moving because I feel quite unwelcome here now. It sucks. What in the past had been intellectual disagreements has become intensely personal ... nothing like being ganged up on and publicly called a racist (for disagreeing about a friggin health care bill and supreme court nominee!) a few times to really harden the heart. 

In the past I even got some grudging respect for having a contrarian, and reasonably well-argued, outlook. No longer.

Similarly, I used to explain away the lefties at work or in my social circle as misguided, but well-intentioned. I no longer believe that.

66 Right now:

The Federal Government is embattled with Arizona and its voters over illegal immigration...

The political class is allowing an Islamist monument celebrating the deaths of 3000 Americans to be built at ground zero in New York...

The will of the people of the State of California was overturned by one activist federal judge...

Missouri passed a referendum defiantly objecting to the Federal Government's new medical entitlement. The Spokesperson for the President dismisses it out of hand...

...that's four states where the will of the majority of voting citizens is being ignored by our own government. No one should be surprised that we are in a pre-revolutionary state of mind.

67

I curse way more than I ever used to.

 

That's a fucking disgrace!

68 Hey, Mr. Scribbler, ya think we could maybe lay off the preemptive hopelessness a bit?

69 Wizard's 3rd rule

I need to start reading that series again. 

70 All day, all night, Sally Anne
Sounding like a fruit loop like all libs can...

There is high motivation for voters who are opposed to the policies of the current administration.   I don't know that they are prepared for or that they really can fathom the coming storm. 

71 Would someone in the control room please tell Martha to STFU? Please?

72 In my wildest imaginings, never did I think I would one day wake up to find myself living in a country that resembles a cross between "The Manchurian Candidate" and "Planet of the Apes" (the original). The freaks in control of our government are the same ones who staged sit ins and demonstrations and building take-overs when I went to Brooklyn College in the late 70's. I laughed at them. Now, Im crying bitter tears. And enraged doesn't even begin to describe the utter fucking hatred and disgust I have for these cancerous parasites. FUCK THEM ALL.

73

...that's four states where the will of the majority of voting citizens is being ignored by our own government. No one should be surprised that we are in a pre-revolutionary state of mind.

 

Don't forget Philly, home of the innocent New Black Panthers.

74 Yay!  The Chinese have a missile that can take out our largest aircraft carrier.  Wow.

I feel like I'm living in some obscene funhouse, with the worst scary clowns and shit imaginable.

75 There doesn't appear to be a way for the 2 sides to coexist much longer.  Not certain that there isn't, but it doesn't appear there is any way, long term.  

Without some unknown variable entering the equation, the only questions are not if but when, and what will actually start the fire.

Our side doesn't need their side for our existence and to create our desired lifestyle.  In fact, they are a roadblock to doing so.  Their side, otoh, must suck at the government teet to continue their preferred path.  And without our side, there is no government teet. 

76 I need to start reading that series again. 

Posted by: alexthechick at August 05, 2010 07:55 PM (YBXMV)

Great books, shitty TV series.

77 >>>Ace, for some people it's still a "policy debate" (think Ed "Pillsbury Doughboy" Morrissey, the crowd at NRO and all the talkers on TV) and will be until Osama Obama pulls the plugs on their connections. Please. You confuse anger for a plan.

78 Dibs on Harry Reid when the punches start flying.

79 The Chinese have a missile that can take out our largest aircraft carrier.  Wow.

The  enemy has always had a missile that could take out the aircraft carriers.

But they have to find them first.

80 Ace, thanks for this link.

The donks are about to go through a schism at least as profound as '68-'72 the difference being the moonbats ARE the establishment now.

I suspect this is a reagan '80 precursor.

81 Polls just closed in the TN Primary. Over/Under 3% for Basil Marceaux in the Governor's primary?

82 You know what?

Fuck this.  This sackcloth and ashes bit.  I'm sick of it.  I'm sick of the damned Eeyores with their "All is lost, and even if it isn't, it soon will be, and even if you win you will lose and even if you avoid defeat then you be defeated in 2012 and even if you don't lose you still lose because the GOP will just rollover." routine. 

How about if everybody who is against Obama and the "permanent" Progressive Majority sacks up and gets on the team for the big win?

We can fight over the carcass later.  Let's win in 2010.

83 I have a neighbor who appears to be very smart. He is one of the few open minded people I've ever met and because he's an engineer he actually has respect for facts. He is black, has a white wife and had been very successful. However, he has worked in the liberal media for years but seems to hold them in low regard. The other night he said that the U.S. has the reputation of backing the wrong guy internationally. I waited awhile and then asked him when. He thought for awhile and said, hmmm, I don't know. He asked about Israel. I suggested that if the Palestinians stopped suicide bombings, et al, then Israel might not have to do what they do and that whole problem might go away. I asked him to think about it and he said he would. I actually enjoyed the conversation even though I had to make myself seem less passionate than I am. It's tough sounding reasonable when you want to buy pikes and tar.

84 Cadell is a smart guy. He was in the Carter administration and warned Carter of the landslide that was going to take him down due to this policies, but the other enlightened liberals said he was crazy. Well.....

85 87 Vic,

Indeed....and after they sink a nimitz if they ever do they can talk to our Silent Service about it....providing we have a President with balls.

86 "Would someone in the control room please tell Martha to STFU?" She has an angry 3rd grade school teacher voice. It gives me flashbacks. "Joanie, stop making rubber cement boogers on your desk and tell me what the capital of Ontario is!"

87 "We. Don't. Care."

Followed up with:

"We. Will. Do. What. We. Please."

----------------

We. Will. Piss. And. Moan. A. Little. But. Ultimately. We. Will. Let. You. Do. It.

88 Sally were the people that voted for Prop 8 a minority? Ps fuck you

89 You know what it's going to fucking be like?

Like the last fucking five minutes of the fucking Godfather, erg.

All your dreams are about to have their throats torn out. - Ace

Fuck yeah, Ace.

It's time to rip the lungs out of these cocksucking marxist democrats at the ballot box.

90 Hey, Mr. Scribbler, ya think we could maybe lay off the preemptive hopelessness a bit?
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 05, 2010 07:54 PM

Are you suggesting a reason, or just wanting to ignore the fact that the time to get the country back on the rails is growing short?

Or did I miss something? Did the "conservatives" in the Senate filibuster the Kagan nomination, or did they decide to hold hands with their fellow royalty and play nice? Has anyone on our side of the aisle stood up and said "this far and no farther!" to Osama Obama, Eric Shabazz Holder and/or activist judges, or are they all squishes like Bill O'Reilly?

I don't like this any more than you do. But the shit piles up, and when the pile gets high enough, it will topple over and smother us. I don't see anyone taking the lead in stopping the shit....

91 It would have been four but for the 'read my lips' broken promise.

That should have been a damn hint to the RINOs who cross the aisle and vote with the other side.

92 How about if everybody who is against Obama and the "permanent" Progressive Majority sacks up and gets on the team for the big win? We can fight over the carcass later. Let's win in 2010. Word. Plenty of candidates out there would appreciate volunteers.

93 Taking back the government begins with parents taking back their kids and by extension the schools. The latter must be taken back from the insidious criminals who have engaged in academic pedophilia for the past 50 odd years. They have poisoned the minds of our youth to hate America and its ideals and to worship the collective. We might win this election and win it in an electoral tsunami, but it means nothing unless our youth and those who don't know any better are educated and instructed on a continual basis so as to marginalize the left and never ever let them gain any power at any level. Otherwise, all this anger and action will be for naught.

94 There doesn't appear to be a way for the 2 sides to coexist much longer.  Not certain that there isn't, but it doesn't appear there is any way, long term.  

Posted by: The Hammer at August 05, 2010 07:58 PM (dja/g)

There's a great asymmetry between liberalism and conservativism.  They aren't mirror images of each other. 

Liberals can live under conservatives in the federal government, since conservatives subscribe to federalism and allow the liberals to form whatever socialist shit-holes they want in the states that they control.  

Conservatives cannot live under liberal control of the federal government, since liberals want a national government with all policy dictated from Washington, and do not allow conservatives to live in conservative states, since states are not given any autonomy to enable such under their view of a national government from Washington.

This is why the nation will eventually split.  The two sides are totally incompatible, unless liberals are kept out of federal power - but they own the judiciary and do tons of damage through that one arm.

95 99 Scribbler,

We simply did NOT have the majority needed to send Bury that particular "go fuck yourself Jugears" FTD card....

we have a few millstones like Snowe, Collins, et al.....

instead of bedwetting over it why don't we do what the mainbody of conservatives are doing and not tell the guy to quit digging the hole he is in and instead cheer Bury to "keep digging sport you are almost outta that hole!"

Did you see Bury preaching at the AFL-CIO yesterday?

he is like a skipping record, "hell no not uh gonna let you uh drive!"

Barack obama's OODA loop is measured with a sundial.

96 To the youngsters here, after Carter got shown the door the (R)'s took the WH for the next three elections. It would have been four but for the 'read my lips' broken promise.

Obama has destroyed the (D)'s for the next decade at least. This level of anger won't fade from memory any faster than the anger people had about Carters ineptitude.

I have been silently hoping a repeat myself.  Now the question is:  will the T. Coddington Van Voorhees wing go all Bob Michel on us, or will we get a "Contract to America" style "Revolution"?  And, on the wish list, can we do what REALLY needs to be done?

97 So unemployed liberals a abuzz over gay marriage now? Who's going to pay for the weddings?

98 There's also a little note the Texans wrote to the EPA .  It was about as close as lawyers can get to Fuck You Federal Govt.
 I still have a semi woodie .
 Belmont Club .

99

"We will take this country back. Trust that."

I am thrill-ed that your great Field Marshal Montgomery has devis-ed such a plan.  I assure you, I will be properly ecstatic if it works.  Ah, of course, when it works.

100

83 There doesn't appear to be a way for the 2 sides to coexist much longer.  Not certain that there isn't, but it doesn't appear there is any way, long term.  

And people said the country was divided when Bush was president.  We were practicvally one big happy family comparitively.

101 Please. You confuse anger for a plan. Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:00 PM

Ace, anger can lead to a plan.

I'm not seeing any of those I named putting forth plans. They all decry and bewail and go on to the next piece of a puzzle that is rapidly being completed. When the puzzle is finished and the true face of the Osama Obama regime is revealed, what we think of tiny pieces won't matter.

I sure as shit can't lead anyone, but I can support someone who can. I know my limitations, and would love to see the conservative ranks put forth a genuine leader with the principles and guts to take a stand.

102 OK, so the GOP takes the House and maybe the Senate.

What will the GOP leadership do with this power? Will they do the will of the people, or will they work to feather their own nests?

Will the Tea Party Movement's efforts to rehab the GOP party from the bottom up succeed, or will those elected through the efforts of the Tea Party Movement be shunted aside as the Dem leadership did with the so-called Blue Dogs who gave the Dems their majorities?

Will the GOP leadership gain any respect for the electorate from this wave?

103 2 Assuming we take back the House in November, wait 'till you see the lame duck session.  You think these donkeys are bad now?  Wait until they've lost and are no longer accountable to the people.

There are a whole lot of extremely vulnerable Dem senators facing re-election in 2012.  Bill Nelson; Claire McCaskill; Jon Tester; Ben Nelson; Kent Conrad; Sherrod Brown; Bob Casey; Jim Webb.  Maybe even more.  Any lame duck session is going to have to have the support of these senators to get cloture votes, and after they'll have just watched many of their own colleagues and a bunch of Democrats in the House mowed down at the polls for casting exactly the kinds of votes they'll then be asked to make.  The lame-duck session is no slam-dunk.

104 There's also a little note the Texans wrote to the EPA .


Dear EPA:

Suck our cranks.

Love,
Texas

http://tinyurl.com/2ems4s8

105 We will take this country back. Trust that.

You're trying to suck my dick before its time, Ace.

106 (around the 2:00 mark) "the Democratic party has been hijaced by an over-educated elite group who basically don't care about the people who constitute the Democratic Party." Say It, Brother!

107 Speaking of anger, I would love it if construction workers in the NYC area refuse to work on that fucking mosque. Spread the word.

108 I hope somebody tries to stop me voting in November.

109 Thanks for the link fu Herr .

110 O'Reilly is arguing that he loves Sasquatch's idea to have the federal government force-feed "good food" to students trapped in public schools.

Typical.

111 Pat Caddell frightens me.

112

@90,

"Fuck this.  This sackcloth and ashes bit.  I'm sick of it.  I'm sick of the damned Eeyores with their "All is lost, and even if it isn't, it soon will be, and even if you win you will lose and even if you avoid defeat then you be defeated in 2012 and even if you don't lose you still lose because the GOP will just rollover." routine.  How about if everybody who is against Obama and the "permanent" Progressive Majority sacks up and gets on the team for the big win? We can fight over the carcass later.  Let's win in 2010."

O.K. that's all well and good, but you seem to be one of the morons that has yet to figure out that the Progressive movement doesn't just exist in the Democrat Party, it has been prevelent in the Republican Party for many years.......hence we had John McCain as the Republican Candidate.......a Populous Progressice by admission.

You want to talk tough?.......Fine........Talk is cheap.........find me some Conservatives to rally behind, and start shouting down Progressives in the street like they did to us over the past thrity years....until then...... wake me up when it's time to start busting some sculls! 

113

We will take this country back. Trust that.

Are you generally right when you are so optomistic, Ace?  I have been stunned time and again at the stupidity of the general population and their seeming willingness to be led like mindless sheep.  I strive to remain optomistic, but mostly feel skeptical and psyching myself to be a martyr (religious and political) and go down in a blaze of glory.

114 It is as if some people don't realize the filibuster still works during a lame duck session or something.  Note, the stuff they would try to ram through then was stuff they could not ram through back before they got their asses kicked.

If this is really a wave election, the lame duck session will fizzle out like a wet fart.  Even the squishiest RINO will be sporting a rockhard boner for limited government during such a session.

115 A perfect example of the rot setting in: Laura Ingraham on Bill O'Reilly's show, starting to talk about the excesses of Osama Obama, and Billy the Squish interrupts her, saying "I agree with Michelle Obama's kids' nutrition plan...."

We need an army of Glenn Becks (well, maybe without the occasional histrionics), Mark Levins and, please, a George Patton, who knows the only way to end a war is to win it.

116 Even the squishiest RINO will be sporting a rockhard boner for limited government during such a session.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 05, 2010 08:17 PM (IQBsP)

The Maine sisters might get arrested for that ... or forced to marry each other.

117 Antiship ballistic missiles are bullshit.Someday they may be a threat but not now,unless the cship is tied up at the dock.

118 O'Reilly is arguing that he loves Sasquatch's idea to have the federal government force-feed "good food" to students trapped in public schools.

Typical.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 05, 2010 08:16 PM (Qp4DT)

Saw that.  What a kid eats for lunch in Podunk, Arkansas is now a Federal concern according to the luffah.

119 Posted by: Jimi

Um, who is the one chiming in with cheap tough talk here?  Seems that would be you, friend.

120

What else do you think they will try and pass -

Posted by: Mallamutt

The New Holy Grail: Immigration Reform. It adds what, 20 million Democrat voters in time for 2012? No matter what it actually does or when it kicks in, the votes -- legal or illegal -- will appear.

121 I honestly think that it takes a bit much more than this but so-however Catherine the Great of Russia is admired for her Enlightenment gestures... 

Be reminded that it was the pressures that her very expensive war to gain sea access from the Ottomans (a worthy prize, no doubt) that help pave the way for an Emelyan Pugachev.

Worth what to the serfs who had to sacrifice sons and husbands to conscript service and still give over all or almost grain to the war effort?...

I am a bit minded of the direction the Algores in our world seem pretty intent upon.

I really don't think they've thought this through.

Katy t G, lucked out getting Potemkin to finally negotiate a peace with the Turks.

Had Kazan fallen, Moscow was a real possibility.

122 We are in for tough times whatever the outcome in November is.Really it is just a matter of degrees now.That's not eeyore talk,that's fact.The debt is still going to be there,ythe liabilities are still coming due.

123 August 05, 2010 07:28 PM (FRErk)

(Fitting hash code you got there)...

We are going to an Anti-Vote-Fraud seminar shortly, being held with the support of the Tea Party and the Republican Party. So, from your keyboard to God's ears. I am prepared to be superbly angrier than I already am and to arm myself to take on the evil that is attempting to usurp the sovereignty of We The People.

124 The New Holy Grail: Immigration Reform. The Border Militia Call-up Act.

That would be the effect, anyway.  Recovery Summer, say hello to Nullification Winter!

125

@22: "All your dreams are about to have their throats torn out."

Really?  The GOP aren't exactly good at rolling stuff back.  They had some marginal success against Clinton, but he bitched 'em whenever the chips were down, and when they had the White House, Senate, and House, they accomplished sweet fuck all.

In all likelihood, Obamerica is the new baseline.  Should the GOP get power, they will accept all that he's done, and simply expand it more slowly.

I lost my faith in them a long time ago.  I've tried to get it back, but I just can't.  They've done nothing to earn it.

126 If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.

That's the problem, isn't it?  We're in the majority and the left is using smoke-and-mirrors constitutional quackery to ignore us.

127

@128

Believe what you want....I don't give a shit!

128 I think we should also note, in this discussion of the will of the citizenry and the asses in the federal government forcing some insane, un-American concepts on us, that little ditty of ruling that forced that town in New York to adopt CUMULATIVE VOTING in order to ensure the election of a hispanic, even though many of the hispanics in the population used to show a lack of representation were not even citizens!  That was one of the most un-American, insane rulings in our history, but only par for the course, today.

The Constitution was clear:

"secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity"

129 That song from Les Mis comes to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6-5g78Nr6Q

130 Welcome back, Ace.

131 134

@22: "All your dreams are about to have their throats torn out."

Really?  The GOP aren't exactly good at rolling stuff back.  They had some marginal success against Clinton, but he bitched 'em whenever the chips were down, and when they had the White House, Senate, and House, they accomplished sweet fuck all.

In all likelihood, Obamerica is the new baseline.  Should the GOP get power, they will accept all that he's done, and simply expand it more slowly.

I lost my faith in them a long time ago.  I've tried to get it back, but I just can't.  They've done nothing to earn it.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 05, 2010 08:22 PM (ySNz/)

Anything that goes through the Senate between now and January will be impossible to roll back, even if the Republicans manage to take back the Senate.  Getting a supermajority this election is just impossible.

132 Fa Cube, Then, seriously, what are you doing here? You guys are no longer political, okay? Politics has a meaning. You are doomsday philosophers. You are not interested in political action. So why post on a political blog? Find a different hobby. I'm so tired of the endless fucking whining and bitching. Hey-- life is hard. Sometimes it doesn't go the way you want. No one's giving you a pony. Sack the fuck up already and get over it.

133 Antiship ballistic missiles are bullshit.Someday they may be a threat but not now,unless the cship is tied up at the dock. Tell that to the crew of the HMS Sheffield.

134

I honestly think that it takes a bit much more than this but so-however Catherine the Great of Russia is admired for her Enlightenment gestures... 

Ok, I give up. What was this post about?

135 God Save Us all from the broken-hearted idealists who can't shut up about their disappointments and sorrows.

136 Then, seriously, what are you doing here?

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:27 PM (KUUXH)

Noting his observations and ideas about them.  What is anyone doing here?

137

@141

The politics we want to explore and use to our benefit, you keep telling us is out of bounds...

What on Earth are talking about?

138 02 There doesn't appear to be a way for the 2 sides to coexist much longer.  Not certain that there isn't, but it doesn't appear there is any way, long term. 


I LOVE this country, my ancestors have fought in every war since the American Revolution, more importantly, for the Republic of Texas in the battle of San Jacinto.  But I love freedom more than America. I want my children and grandchildren to live free and make their own  way.  If we have to fracture the country to live the way we want, so be it.

139 I dunno, maybe the Stimulus's repaving of my local road will bring the economy back by november, showing us all that half-baked kickbacks work. Right? I mean what can the GOP show for itself except for the 30ish years of Reagan economic success and stuff. Really, it's not like unemployment wasn't below 10 percent this entire time, right? Oh, wait, it was and the countries that tried to do the opposite lost decades of growth.

140 >>>Noting his observations and ideas about them. What is anyone doing here? How many times do we have to hear how horribly disappointed and heart-broken some people are? Broken fucking record. We lost the fucking Vietnam War too. MOVE ON for God's sake.

141 It is as if some people don't realize the filibuster still works during a lame duck session or something.  Note, the stuff they would try to ram through then was stuff they could not ram through back before they got their asses kicked.

But they've been trying to ram stuff through with political cover in an election year.  Two years is a political eternity, so they don't need to worry about the consequences.  Voters just don't remember that far back.

142 Yo Exocet-

Remember, you're an aircraft-launched air-to-surface missile with active radar-homing terminal guidance; not a ballistic missile.

143 >>>I'm not seeing any of those I named putting forth plans. They all decry and bewail and go on to the next piece of a puzzle that is rapidly being completed. When the puzzle is finished and the true face of the Osama Obama regime is revealed, what we think of tiny pieces won't matter. blah blah blah. KING LEAR Howl! O howl, howl, howl!

144 This congressional/presidential cycle has done nothing but drive a wedge between the have-nots, and the haves, which appears to be anyone who has more than $20 in the bank. 

We no longer have representative government, just an out of control autocracy intent on imposing its will on the people.

145 Hey guys, sorry if we're not restoring the Republic to its 1836 conception in one election cycle.

146 Tell that to the crew of the HMS Sheffield.

Posted by: Exocet missle

The Exocet is a cruise missile, not a ballistic missile.

147 142 Antiship ballistic missiles are bullshit.Someday they may be a threat but not now,unless the cship is tied up at the dock.

Tell that to the crew of the HMS Sheffield.

Posted by: Exocet missle at August 05, 2010 08:27 PM (SwkdU)

They take down a ship or two and then cruise missiles start thinking they're one of us.  You're not a ballistic missile, punk.  You're a lot easier to make and a lot easier to stop.

148 Never mind, I was going to say something, but figured it wouldn't be appreciated.

149 We lost the fucking Vietnam War too. MOVE ON for God's sake.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:30 PM (KUUXH)

We are always moving on to the next subject, but the circumstances are always the same.  We have the federal government in an active assault against the States and the citizenry on 6 MAJOR fronts, right now:

illegal aliens, health care, guns, marriage, terrorism (with the definitions, desire to bring KSM and gang to New York), and global warming bullshit.

On top of those major issues, there are all types of ancillary ones that also look exactly the same.  We keep trying to find one area with some light, but it's pretty tough.  Am I missing some bright spot?

150

Title of Post is Pat Caddell-"Country's Mood Is "Pre-Revolutionary"

The Title of the Post is incorrect....It should read......

Pat Caddell-"Country's Mood Is Pre-Revolutionary, but for god sakes don't anyone admit to it or talk about it."

FIFY

151 Can I interest anyone in Despair and Sloth? No? All stocked up? Okey-dokey then. I'll ask someone else.

152 154 Hey guys, sorry if we're not restoring the Republic to its 1836 conception in one election cycle.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:33 PM (KUUXH)

We're not ever going to restore the Republic without dealing with the judiciary.  I see no trend in that direction.

153 Remember, you're an aircraft-launched air-to-surface missile with active radar-homing terminal guidance; not a ballistic missile. Shit, you guys aren't going to reprogram my guidance system, are you? I just wanted to be one of the cool kids.

154 Can I interest anyone in Despair and Sloth?

Posted by: Satan at August 05, 2010 08:35 PM (KUUXH)

Sloth tastes like chicken ... if cooked correctly.

155 160 Can I interest anyone in Despair and Sloth?

No?

All stocked up?

Okey-dokey then. I'll ask someone else.

Posted by: Satan at August 05, 2010 08:35 PM (KUUXH)

No, but I'll take some gluttony and lust.

156 Hey guys, sorry if we're not restoring the Republic to its 1836 conception in one election cycle.

I demand my pellagra!!!!

157 The GOP is done.  Finished, I tells ya.  What do you mean, "Dive Bombers?"

158 142 That was a turbo jet powered cruise missil with an active radar homing head.Ballistic missiles fly into space(at the ranges they are talking) than reenter orbit before following,yeah,a ballistic flight path.Usually all the guidance is done before reentry,to hit a moving target requires the ability to seek and maneuver,perhaps hundreds of miles to hit the target.Not saying it can't be done but it is not easy.The US has only had one reentry vehicle with guidance operating on the way down and maneuvaribilty,tthe rv for the Pershing II.It was designed to hit bunkers or other stationary but difficult to kill targets.Hitting a ship is orders of magnitude harder,even if you know exactly where it is,which is problematic.

159 I really think the problem is that many of you are coming to a political site with no actual interest in politics. You seem to want some kind of public-and-yet-secret armed revolutionary insurrection planning board. Again, this is the sort of thing I would imagine is best done off the grid, but maybe someone should get right on that. Maybe you should make a site where you can plot your revolutionary strikes amongst each other. But this here is a politics site. We talk about voting here. And we haven't given up on it yet.

160 Sally Ann,

The good progressives have to run as a conservative just to get their bony foot in the door of the senate and congress. Bambi had to run as a tax cutter and gov't reducer to have half a chance. The MFM gave him the other half by propping him up as the smartest man ever to run for office, ignoring his dizzying logic and anti-toastmaster articulation. All he has in his chin up in the air, his middle finger pointing at the American people and crease pants.

Yes, time and time again, the good libs run as God fearing, tax cutting, limited government wonks and get elected. Then the libs crow about how the country is rejecting conservative principles during their acceptance speeches. They laugh like little kids in their first days as 'public servants', knowing full well their governing philosophy, if ever made public during campaigns, would doom them to a private sector job selling fruit on the side of road (an honorable job, which means they wouldn't take it) or becoming a night manager at Walgreens. (NTTAWT).

Furthermore, I contend state and local elections in heavy blue areas are not legitimate (See Franken, Al among many documented examples).

So, yea, we get our principles voted on affirmatively every cycle. All that changes is the charlatans who adopt, espouse and hijack these principles.

Suck it.

161 15 Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.
Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at August 05, 2010 07:28 PM (FRErk)

This is downright hysterical, after she just spent an entire afternoon arguing that the rights of the minority are a foundational building block of America and justify a judge's decision to take the power of the ballot away from the majority.

No, Sally Ann, we're not seceding.  After we kick your fingertips off the ledge in a little under three months and take large swaths of your territory, it may not be necessary.

162 Remember, remember, come this November
The festering heat they have brought
‘Tis no reason why their assault on Americans
Should ever be forgiven, or forgot

All you tyrants who lord over us
You who give us the smack of your rod
Soon now we will rend you to bits
We will give you the Judgment of God!

If each man and woman does what they must
The overreaching tyrants will be turned into dust
Soon now our Lady of Justice will possess them in her breathtaking, hair-raising bed
She will tingle each spine as she captures each head!

163 Dear Fellow Morons,

One thing at a time.

The first thing that has to happen is achieving the tidal wave that Pat predicts. Without that first step, all the planning and leadership in the world ain't gonna do a damn bit of good.

The anger is palpable here, and anywhere you look around the country. The difference? The libs have been angry since before I started paying attention; probably all the way back to Vietnam. Conservatives get angry enough to speak only when pushed- now, 1980, 1994.

Anger clouds the mind.

That doesn't mean dump the anger- that means channel the anger into something productive. That means helping to 1) make that first step happen, and 2) examine who the weak links are in the conservative fire line, particularly in the Senate. Unless 20 seats flip to red in the Senate (not gonna happen by November), this is just positioning for 2012.

Ace called it right- emotion is the engine; intellect is the steering. It is vital at this point that if the politicians won't provide leadership, the voters will. Each Moron reading this knows deep, logical, and well-thought-out reasons for US conservatism being the truest path to liberty in this country. It's time to sell those ideas, with passion- NOT ANGER.

Fools like Sally Ann and our various other trolls will attempt to bait you into anger, as we've seen (the race card, played over and over again). It is not them that we need to convince; it is the remorseful Obama voter that needs beckoning.

I urge you to remember what makes the successful sales pitch- attention, interest, desire, conviction, close. Get their attention, get them interested in the product, make them desire it, reinforce their desire with conviction, and close the sale. You ain't gonna pull that off by convincing everyone you're pissed off.

It's going to take at least two elections to undo what we've seen damaged over the last two elections- it'll require a solid majority in the House, and a supermajority in the Senate. That's going to mean carefully guiding our elected officials between 2010 and 2012, and hopefully a leader will emerge over the next two years.

It is certainly time to go on offense- you can't win playing just defense. Be idealistic- that is where passion is vital. But control that passion in order to attack swiftly and successfully. The hard part lies ahead.

164

If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at August 05, 2010 07:28 PM (FRErk)

So I guess that means that Proposition 8 shouldn't be overturned?  After all, the MAJORITY of people voted to pass it....... 

165 But this here is a politics site. We talk about voting here.

And we haven't given up on it yet.

Well, stupid voting will always make things worse, as we see in 2008.  But there's a lot of truth to the notion that a very small minority of people is calling the shots these days regardless of election outcomes.

166 No offense, but a lot of you guys could not actually get 5% for your particular idiosyncratic political ideals, and all you do is bitch and whine and moan and grouse about it. It's democracy. Okay? You don't always get what you want. In fact, you usually don't. If you're getting what you want 50% of the time you're ahead of the game. So if you want to take the position, which frankly DOES seem to be your position, that if you have to compromise, or vote for people you don't LOVE, or accept some setbacks, and etc., then you don't want any part of elective politics-- then fine. But I would suggest then that you find a hobby that you will find more personally rewarding -- like model railroading. Because all this hobby (and it is a hobby for you, since you have no tangible interest in actual poltical action) is giving you is heartburn and agita. So either drop out -- which is what I think is best -- and let other people, still interested in politics and who still believe in America choose your destiny for you, or else sack the fuck up and be men about things.

167 Sally Ann Cavenaugh, you cum-burping whore, we're taking MA, too.

168 15 Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.

Posted by: Sally Ann Cavanaugh at August 05, 2010 07:28 PM (FRErk)

What you need to understand, you ball-gargling douchebag, is I know, right fucking now, at least 25 families that would pack the fuck up, grab their guns and ammo, load the SUV and sprint for Texas if it declared secession tomorrow morning. They'd GLADLY go defend any state that had the balls to tell the federal dictatorship to go fuck itself and I'd be one of them. Believe that. Me and my various implements of self-defense, and hundreds of THOUSANDS of other freedom loving people would all do the same fucking thing.

Now go die in a fire.

169 Speaking of anger, I would love it if construction workers in the NYC area refuse to work on that fucking mosque.

Spread the word.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2010 08:13 PM (9Cooa)

I heard a union guy call into Rush's show today.  He said he's gone from construction site to construction site and he can't find one union worker that wants to work on the mosque.  Anecdotal yes, but interesting.

170

On top of those major issues, there are all types of ancillary ones that also look exactly the same.  We keep trying to find one area with some light, but it's pretty tough.  Am I missing some bright spot?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 05, 2010 08:34 PM (Qp4DT)

Yeah, there's some light. And not just some but a lot. You are on your feet, your fighting, you ain't dead.  Reinforcements are arriving in droves. Yes, it's not enough to end the war yet but it's plenty enough to battle. War is a series of battles. Fight the battles.

171

Can you get your people elected?  If so, you don't need a revolution.  If not, then you are a minority and you shouldn't be getting your way anyway.  Consider secession.  Please.

Yeah, good luck forming a functioning country populated with nothing but welfare parasites, mouth-breathing union speedbumps, lawyers, stockbrokers, entertainers, twelfth-year liberal arts majors, George Soros, and countless grievance shakedown groups.  Because that's all you got.

Not gonna last long without productive conservatives to leech off of, Sally.  We're the only reason you're not living in Uganda West right now.

You're welcome.

172 178 They'll find somebody to do it.

173

The Democrat's oppressive agenda is going to push this nation over the edge.

174 That was a turbo jet powered cruise missile

Exocets are solid-rocket-powered and are neither cruise missiles nor (as you note) ballistic missiles.

175 178 Speaking of anger, I would love it if construction workers in the NYC area refuse to work on that fucking mosque.

Spread the word.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 05, 2010 08:13 PM (9Cooa)

I heard a union guy call into Rush's show today.  He said he's gone from construction site to construction site and he can't find one union worker that wants to work on the mosque.  Anecdotal yes, but interesting.

Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2010 08:43 PM (VuLos)

People have to feed their families.  In this economy there's just no way the mosque builders will have trouble finding enough construction workers in a city the size of New York.

176 YOU'RE  fighting damn it.

177 Here's the diff between Obama and his minions and somebody who you would perceive (correctly) as a real liberal politician (Jerry Brown). Brown was against Prop 13. He campaigned heavily against it. The night it passed, he was for it! Brown may be a liberal but he understands and will work under that "consent of the governed" deal. Obama and his clique understand it but choose to ignore it. What that means is that if somebody like Brown is in charge, he might like the same policies as Obama but Brown Has Limits. He'll only go so far. Obama won't stop so long as he has executive power.

178 Some day, when your grandkids ask, 'what did you do during the great election of 2010?', you won't have to say 'Well, I shovelled gloomy doomsaying on the blogosphere, when I wasn't calling for armed insurrection.'

179 "We. Will. Do. What. We. Please."

You forgot one:

You. Are. A. Racist.

180 But this here is a politics site. We talk about voting here.

And we haven't given up on it yet.

What can I say?  I'm not even a big fan of voting.  I'd rather live in a nation with no voting, but a strictly limited government, than one with tons of voting and a government that had nothing standing in its way to expand into any area it thought appropriate.  Of course, this was the view of our Founders, as they only called for democratic processes to be used in filling 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government.  They relied more on the Constitutional limits doing the work of restraining tyranny than any vote - as they knew that tyranny is always VOTED in eventually.

The idea that a nation is on the brink (and after we all saw the 2008 credit crisis no one can claim that they don't understand how close to the edge the US is, right now) is politics, in the deepest sense. I don't see the use ignoring the decay (and worse) that we all see, even if some don't think it is fatal and some do.  Then again, I never got the sense that anyone was trying to organize any super-secret anything through the comments.  They are just observations of what we think is happening and what will happen.

181 183 Only the launch booster.You don't sea skim for tens of miles on a rocket.

182 Brown was against Prop 13. He campaigned heavily against it. The night it passed, he was for it! Brown may be a liberal but he understands and will work under that "consent of the governed" deal

Which, of course, is why, as Attorney General for the State of Kolleforneeya, he refused to defend Prop 8, and in fact basically conceded the Plaintiffs' case and went home?  Because he's for the voters?

183 188 Some day, when your grandkids ask, 'what did you do during the great election of 2010?', you won't have to say 'Well, I shovelled gloomy doomsaying on the blogosphere, when I wasn't calling for armed insurrection.'

Posted by: George S. Patton at August 05, 2010 08:48 PM (IQBsP)

Hahahahaha.  That's pretty funny.

184

Am I missing some bright spot?

It's no longer a question about the issues and the fact that our side is losing. Losing is part of life, and it's constructive; it makes you better so that you might win next time or the time after that. It's how we're losing.

The Obama Administration is playing tackle baseball. There's no place in America for that game, and conservatives and liberals both realize that winning is inadequate at this point. These people have to be kicked off the playground.

That's the bright spot. The guy in the video is a Democrat, and he's not merely disillusioned. He's disgusted.

185 You seem to want some kind of public-and-yet-secret armed revolutionary insurrection planning board. ... But this here is a politics site. We talk about voting here. And we haven't given up on it yet. Posted by: ace I would be more depressed but I've seen references to WAVE ELECTIONS in the past where around 100 seats in the house changed hands. So big, dramatic changes are possible via voting in our system. And if it don't work, hey - we're the ones with the guns. (it rhymes!) (that's mostly a joke, btw. Mostly)

186

People have to feed their families.  In this economy there's just no way the mosque builders will have trouble finding enough construction workers in a city the size of New York.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 08:47 PM (XIXhw)

I'm sure you're right.

187 "It's democracy. Okay? You don't always get what you want. In fact, you usually don't. If you're getting what you want 50% of the time you're ahead of the game.".
Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:43 PM


Confucius say, If you shoot for the stars and hit the moon, it's alright, but you've got to shoot for something. A lot of people don't even shoot.

188 So expect lots of dead people and intimidation on voting day.

Bring mace to the polls.

189 The idea that a nation is on the brink (and after we all saw the 2008 credit crisis no one can claim that they don't understand how close to the edge the US is, right now) is politics, in the deepest sense. I don't see the use ignoring the decay (and worse) that we all see, even if some don't think it is fatal and some do.  Then again, I never got the sense that anyone was trying to organize any super-secret anything through the comments.  They are just observations of what we think is happening and what will happen.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 05, 2010 08:49 PM (Qp4DT)

No matter what route you take you're not going to fix anything without convincing the majority of Americans to go along.  If you can do that, then voting is the easiest and cleanest way to make the change.  If you can't, then you're not going to change anything regardless of your methodology.

190 Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 08:43 PM

For the record, ace, my ideals are centered around the following (in no particular order):

1. Following the Constitution, not treating it as a malleable thing;

2. Placing the security and well-being of America first;

3. A government that spends no more than necessary, does not pamper itself or distribute tax money to a favored few and taxes accordingly;

4. A government that works for all Americans, not just unions or any other "privileged" groups or classes;

5. A government that enforces the laws and scrupulously follows the laws it sets;

6. A president who considers him- or herself beholden to the entire population of the USA;

7. A government that recognizes the limits of its powers, and accepts them;

8. A government that sets the example for politeness, decency and harmony between Americans of all races, classes and religions, favoring none above the rest.

Those'll do for a start. Surely there must be politicians (or budding politicians) who would sign on to those ideals.

191 We all get down sometimes.I type WASF at least once a day here but I don't really,viscerally believe it.

192 Vic, for the Wizard's Rules quotes. I'm struggling through 'The Pillars of Creation' right now. It's tough when they have a storyline progressing through 6 books and now decide to take the 1st 300 pages of a book to ignore that storyline and add new bit characters.

193 So you eeyores here CAN do something--trot on down to your local politician's office, or election hq, and volunteer for,oh, phone bank,floor sweeping or whatever. It isn't likely that one person can make a huge difference (unless your inits are SP), but anything, no matter how seemingly insignificant WILL help.

  Ya need to get involved, in short. Like my old drill sergeant used to say "suck it up, ladies".  Really. If enough get the message out this'll make 94 look like a minor deal.. Even in my tiny upstate town, people are aware of what's happening. We aren't as stupid as many think, most of us, like the REST of the country are busy living and coping with life. You know, being conservative and all.

  And I'd still enjoy a beer with just about any of you.

194

One of my senators just proved your contention, Ace.

http://themcj.com/?p=13424

195 > 191 Brown was against Prop 13.... Which, of course, is why, as Attorney General for the State of Kolleforneeya, he refused to defend Prop 8, ... Posted by: Herr Morgenholz I didn't say I was for Brown. Just pointing out the diff between a conventional liberal pol and a radical like Obama.

196 I think current conditions are such that there would/will be a civil war before there would be a revolution.

197 >>>I'm not even a big fan of voting. I'd rather live in a nation with no voting, but a strictly limited government, Yeah I get that... thanks for confirming it.

198 This one will be a cakewalk. We've already figured out which relatives we dislike the most.

199

-->No matter what route you take you're not going to fix anything without convincing the majority of Americans to go along. 

If you have to "convince" the majority of Americans to think  nd vote like Americans, then there is no America left, really.  If that is the case, then what carries the American creed (the truly important part of "America") into the future?  That should be the utmost concern of people.

-->If you can do that, then voting is the easiest and cleanest way to make the change.  If you can't, then you're not going to change anything regardless of your methodology.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 08:54 PM (XIXhw)

I'm sorry, but even turning all of Congress over to the GOP is not going to stop the disintegration.  Further, there has been too much irreparable damage done to our institutional processes and to the institutions, themselves, over the past year and a half.  Congress was gang-raped time and again by The Precedent and his junta of useful idiots.  You can't just forget all that.  The damage continues on.  And all this was done when the US was in the most vulnerable position it's been in in over a hundred years.

This isn't gloom and doom.  It's just what happened.  What everybody let happen, even though we all knew how bad it was.  We let them actually pass over $800 billion in extraordinary spending without anyone being allowed to read the friggin' bill - and that was the shallowest of offenses that have been carried out.

I'm an optimist, in the medium term (15-20 years), for the American creed.  But the short term is going to be very, very rough.  Sorry that that assessment bothers people.

200 I'll do phone bank.

201 203

One of my senators just proved your contention, Ace.

http://themcj.com/?p=13424

Posted by: Christopher Johnson at August 05, 2010 08:58 PM (FN39A)

Ah yes, another "moderate".  Yet again hard left is moderate and slightly conservative is extremist.

202 Ok, I give up. What was this post about?

Apparently, life has to get incredibly, day to day, intolerably,  more shitty than it has been before most people get all violent and stuff and go against what seems to them to be a "legitimate" authority, no matter how far removed.

I'm neither worried about nor comforted by passionate rhetoric.

203 You don't sea skim for tens of miles on a rocket.

Sure you do. The AM-39 isn't an air-breather.

204

@141: "Then, seriously, what are you doing here?

Looking to see what my ostensible allies are thinking.

You guys are no longer political, okay? Politics has a meaning. You are doomsday philosophers. You are not interested in political action."

 Actually, I'm starting to find the idea of political action quite interesting.  Might wanna look up the history of that phrase.  Lots of guys with acronyms (PIRA, INLA, LVF, UDA, RAF, ETA) use it.  Some are most adept practitioners of political action.  I figure the odds of that sort of thing happening here are getting significant.  As Claire Wolfe puts it: "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."

So why post on a political blog?

Gallows humor venting helps.  Also, some people raise points worth consdering.  The Right needs two things: (1) a plan; (2) balls.  It currently has neither, but if either one appears, the other might well follow.  If that happens, we might not need to get to the "shoot the bastards" phase.

I'm so tired of the endless fucking whining and bitching.

Um, have you read any of your own posts - and I ask that in all honesty?  Pretty much everyone on the Right is demoralized and rightly so.  We see what is being lost, yet no one has any idea of how to stop it.  We're still just told that those magical two election cycles will fix everything. 

Hey-- life is hard. Sometimes it doesn't go the way you want.

Wow, this is the first that I have ever heard of this. 

No one's giving you a pony.

Ahh, but if I accept Allah into my life and get violent, I can get one that you'll pay for, courtesy of our government.  Or if I stop working and go on the dole, same result.  Or if I take gummint job and union up, same result.  The pony is very, very easy to get if you don't really care how you get it.

Sack the fuck up already and get over it."

I am over it, entirely.  When the GOP retakes the House, I'm sure America will be just like Rufus predicted: "And I'm telling you it's great here. The air is clean, the water's clean, even the dirt, it's clean. Bowling averages are way up, mini-golf scores are way down. And we have more excellent water slides than any other planet we communicate with. I'm telling you this place is great!"

But just in case that doesn't happen, you might want to give some consideration to what else to do.  If someone doesn't come up with a plan, and soon, and if there is no will to see it through, then those guys who like "political action" - maybe Left, maybe Right - will come up with one.

205 So you eeyores here CAN do something--trot on down to your local politician's office, or election hq, and volunteer for,oh, phone bank,floor sweeping or whatever. It isn't likely that one person can make a huge difference (unless your inits are SP), but anything, no matter how seemingly insignificant WILL help. There are good candidates out there. Use your search-fu.

206 212 Shit,you are right,I thought it was exactly like Harpoon.Still a cruise missile though,that was the main point.

207 Maybe it's getting lost in the discussion that the "eeyores" have been most accurate about The Precedent and what he's been doing.  We are the ones who knew that he was looking to destroy the US, thus we understood all of his moves (and predicted more than a few) while the rose-colored glasses wearers were constantly asking, "But why would The Precedent do something that he gets nothing out of?"  "Why is The Precedent stalling on troop deployments when it is a request from a strategic review that he just called for?"  "Why would The Precedent risk the stature of the Office by going to Copenhagen without having the Olympics in the bag?"

I could go on for literally hundreds of such examples.  Who was claiming that health scare was dead and that the GOP should go to that summit, while the "eeyores" were warning not to help revive that totally un-American piece of shit bill?

208 If you have to "convince" the majority of Americans to think  nd vote like Americans, then there is no America left, really.  If that is the case, then what carries the American creed (the truly important part of "America") into the future?  That should be the utmost concern of people.

Americans have done a lot of stupid things over the years.  When Nixon was president we had wage and price controls and 70%+ marginal tax rates.  So even though it seems like things are always heading in the wrong direction don't forget that we've been there before and managed to roll much of it back.  By convincing people who supported the idiocy to change their minds and vote sensibly.

I'm sorry, but even turning all of Congress over to the GOP is not going to stop the disintegration.  Further, there has been too much irreparable damage done to our institutional processes and to the institutions, themselves, over the past year and a half.  Congress was gang-raped time and again by The Precedent and his junta of useful idiots.  You can't just forget all that.  The damage continues on.  And all this was done when the US was in the most vulnerable position it's been in in over a hundred years.

In the past year and a half?  Nothing that's happened in the past year and a half can't be rolled back except Sotomayor and Kagen.  Two liberals got replaced by two different liberals on SCOTUS.  Which is a draw, in my book.

And we were far, far more vulnerable in the early '70s.  We had a hollow military and were facing an existential threat in the USSR.  We had high inflation.  We had malaise.  We had lefty nutcases going around robbing banks and blowing things and making common cause with people interested in our destruction.

Look, I know there are problems.  As I pointed out earlier, the courts are out of control, and it's not clear to me how we can fix that.  The socialists are ascendant.  But don't forget we've been here before.  The fact that Americans were so smitten with Obama and have done a complete about-face in two years gives me hope.

209

@175: "or else sack the fuck up and be men about things."

Ok, donate money, donate time, vote for the best possible candidate.

And if perchance, that fails, then what?  Become a good little aparatchik?

Seriously - what would you do if socialism is triumphant?

210 Wow. I'm a little late to this thread, but what a stunning video! We don't have a lot of weapons in this war, a cable TV station and Rush' radio show. Hanging on by a thread, we are, but we have good ammo: history, economics, human nature.

211 >>>But just in case that doesn't happen, you might want to give some consideration to what else to do. If someone doesn't come up with a plan, and soon, and if there is no will to see it through, then those guys who like "political action" - maybe Left, maybe Right - will come up with one. Fa Cube, I think you're a nice guy, but this isn't the site for you. We need a divorce here, an amicable one. But I am really fucking tired of you faggots and your revolution talk. You know why I know you're a faggot? Because if you were anything other than tough talk you wouldn't be announcing your fucking insurgency on the fucking internet. I'm done having this discussion with the Wannabe Revolutionaries and their make-pretend Secret Strike Cells. This is a site for adults, not for mewling, fantasizing children.

212 215 212 Shit,you are right,I thought it was exactly like Harpoon.Still a cruise missile though,that was the main point.

Posted by: steevy at August 05, 2010 09:09 PM (vTdRZ)

There's a whole class of Russian (and now Indian) streakers that use a rocket on final approach so they're moving fast enough to be hard to shoot down.

213 Fa Cube, You are cordially invited to publicly design your "plans" on a site not this one. This is a political site. Go to Yahoo games and find someone to play Stratego with. That's as close to a frigging Revolutionary Strike Force as you're coming.

214 >>>Maybe it's getting lost in the discussion that the "eeyores" have been most accurate about The Precedent and what he's been doing. Rolling eyes. Yeah you called it dude.

215 lol ace is such a baby

216 We will take this country back. Trust that.

What's left of it. 

217

You know why I know you're a faggot?

Because he likes Coldplay?

218 226 Nickleback is far more gay.

219 For the revolutionaries, here, look up OpSec, oh wait, I've got the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opsec Okay? Operational Security. You're going to need to know these things when you gear up for Invasion: America. But just the precis: OpSec requires that members of a military group (especially a guerila force) do not publicly state their plans. If guerrilas, then it's important to not publicly state membership in the guerrila force. Plans are best made in "Cells" consisting of no more than five people; no member of a cell should know the names or locations of other cells. One leader in the cell and only one should receive orders down from his direct superior. It's all there. All there. But seriously, main point? You don't fucking talk about it on the internet. Go with God, Vaya Con Dios, viva revolution!

220 -->In the past year and a half? Nothing that's happened in the past year and a half can't be rolled back except Sotomayor and Kagen. Two liberals got replaced by two different liberals on SCOTUS. Which is a draw, in my book.

That's just not true. There were legislative traditions and taboos that were smashed and that perverted legislative behavior is now accepted as "normal". That is irreparable damage. The system has been put into a very unstable state.

-->And we were far, far more vulnerable in the early '70s. We had a hollow military and were facing an existential threat in the USSR. We had high inflation. We had malaise. We had lefty nutcases going around robbing banks and blowing things and making common cause with people interested in our destruction.

We had nothing like the monetary catastrophe that we are now staring at. Nothing. Don't even think that having to go off the gold standard was anything comparable. That turned us fiat, wholly. In 2008, we saw the first massive crumblings of that fiat system, and we are only in the eye of the storm, now (thanks to a trillion of federal spending and a few trillions of printing/bond purchases and fake swaps for worthless assets by the fed). When the eyewall hits, again, there won't be any money left to buy outrageously expensive time with. And this is with the US dollar, the only monetary system in all of recorded history that was the basis of all world trade and foreign monetary policy. The dollar disinitegrating is not like the Weimar Republic, or Zimbabwe, or Albania, or Argentina, ... The US dollar is in a unique, irreplacable position, and people play with that because they really don't understand the threat its destruction would bring. It would be inescapable, as nothing can replace or substitute for the US dollar. Again, this is not eeyorism, but just the facts surrounding the issue of the dollar.

-->Look, I know there are problems. As I pointed out earlier, the courts are out of control, and it's not clear to me how we can fix that. The socialists are ascendant. But don't forget we've been here before. The fact that Americans were so smitten with Obama and have done a complete about-face in two years gives me hope.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 09:14 PM (XIXhw)

I have hope, too. It's just very tempered.

There are so many independent tracks going now.  We have yet to have Israel hit Iran. Take the crap that emerged from "the world, and the US, under the Indonesian" in reaction to that silly flotilla event and multiply it by 10000 to get an inkling of what we're likely looking at. Then put the monetary impact into it all ... it ain't pretty (but I'm not supposed to talk about that, I guess).  I have been saying this from before the flotilla event, but then I used to say to take the reaction to the Gaza operation and multiply that.  The flotilla event just gave more evidence to the idea that this IS the track the world is on.

221 Just heard today that the EPA is trying to outlaw lead bullets, because all that lead is harmful to the environment and animals.

Funny, I thought that was the point.

I think it might not be lost on the gangsters in Oliar's administration that lead poisoning is also bad for Marxists.

 Yup, whole lotta guns out here.

You should have heard the conversation at the Gun Store today.

222

The problem that extends beyond this election, or even the election in 2012, is an idea, or a whole set of ideas that go with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and every significant thing that has been fought over in +220 years to make this a free republic.

The Left has an idea, a set of ideas. They are malignant and repellant, full of loathing for the life of free men. And these ideas are subtley, and sometimes not so subtley embedded in pop culture, songs, movies, Letterman's show, ESPN,etc. Millions swallow this stuff unthinkingly, and now feel uncomfortable with the ideas that support the Constitution, etc.

So we can win some elections, and roll some of this stuff back (maybe) and buy ourselves some years of marginal prosperity and freedom again, but the Left will be back, meaner, sicker than before.  Because you can't kill an idea, no matter how sick it seems to be, if somebody gets a payoff at the end of the day.  Look at Islam. 1400 years of sick stuff, still going strong. They're gonna build a mosque a few blocks from the sight of the wrecked WTC. Believe it.  There's plenty of Saudi money to hire people to build it, and just enough dhimmis like Bloomberg to help them. Sick.

So Ace, man, I'm not an Eyeore.  I want to win, I'm willing to compromise, I don't need purity tests.  But I don't know how to the fight mass media and the drone of dumb, sick ideas that permeate the minds of the unthinking millions of "Americans" out there.  "Sally Cavanaugh" is the perfect example of those unthinking millions.  It is also the answer to why Letterman is still on the air.

223 The guys get shirts.

224 And if perchance, that fails, then what? Look, just fix bayonets and charge. If you put too much effort into various contingencies, Plan 'A' will fail.

225

Ace,

If we are really going to get down to the nitty-gritty of talking politics, then we should be scheming dirty tricks and working out large scale unconventional methods and tactics. You claim that this is method is out-of-bounds, even though it is used against us daily.

That is really what American Politics is....

But no....instead we go round and round with no real sense of trust in our political allies. I get the sense that many of the so called moderates, not sure if you put yourself in that category or not, are like the SchoolYard teacher.

Shouting at the boys for rough housing and playing Dodgeball, while waging their finger, "You Boys Plays Nice," meanwhile as soon as we turn our back then "Stewey the ultra-intelligent homosexual progressive sissy" runs up and kicks us in the nuts while we were trying to figure what the School Teacher was going on about. 

Where am I wrong?   

226 >>>Yup, whole lotta guns out here. >>>You should have heard the conversation at the Gun Store today. Wonderful. And that kind of talk was buzzing in Texas 1963, and, sure, Kennedy was killed by a Marxist, but the country knew the rightwing was talking that way, and LBJ used the emotional confusion to enact the Great Society and transform the country. So let's by all means continue jerking ourselves off about how Mighty our guns are and what great changes they can make.

227 Jimi,

So, we should concoct our own dirty tricks here on a open website?  That is fucking brilliant.

228 What wonderful Ambassadors we're being now! We've got jerkoffs stroking their fucking guns like replacement-cocks, fantasizing. Quick, let's take this to market. It'll sell like gangbusters.

229 When the GOP retakes the House, I'm sure America will be just like Rufus predicted: "And I'm telling you it's great here. The air is clean, the water's clean, even the dirt, it's clean. Bowling averages are way up, mini-golf scores are way down. And we have more excellent water slides than any other planet we communicate with. I'm telling you this place is great!"

NO!  No longer will the world be dominated by THESE!  TWO!!  FOOLS!!!

230 ontherocks, The sad thing about you is you think what you're saying is normal and patriotic. I guess because you have an echo chamber that validates it. Well, I refuse to be part of your Suvivalist Fantasy/Wannabe Oswald echo chamber. Fuck you, maniac.

231
So let's by all means continue jerking ourselves off about how Mighty our guns are and what great changes they can make.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 09:28 PM (KUUXH)

Jerking yourself off with guns is way more dangerous than anything I've suggested.

But that's the truth about the EPA trying to end run the 2nd amendment, check it out if you don't believe me.

And if you think they really care about the environment and lead poisoning, well I have a couple of bridges and a swamp for sale.

232 Who broke the blog?

233 pretty much OpSec defined on a single poster: Read it. Learn it. Live it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_enemy_is_listening.jpg

234 I had no idea that what I thought was an open-registration news-aggregation and comment site was really the nerve center of a covert revolutionary front.

235 The issue is:  will this country still be governed by laws, by a Constitution, or will we give up law and be ruled by the whims of a State?

That's a yes or no question.

Yes to a nation of laws, and you're Part Of The Solution.  Whims of the state, and you're Part Of The Problem.

And you know, if you say you're for the rule of law, you kinda defeat your message if you go around threatening to break that law to get your way. 

That's their schtick of the Problem People.  Not the Solution People.

The Revolution Will Be Exit-Polled.

236

@220: "But I am really fucking tired of you faggots and your revolution talk.

You know why I know you're a faggot?

Because if you were anything other than tough talk you wouldn't be announcing your fucking insurgency on the fucking internet."

Ok, since we're going with the personal insults, and you're lumping me in with the Stormfront types, reread my posts untermensch.

I'm saying something needs to be done to avoid letting the revolutionary types be the ones making the decisions, becuase if things aren't turned around, they will be.  Stuff got way out of hand in the Great Depression, and that could happen again - worse. What, exactly, do you think would happen if the economy collapsed?  Paulson already threatened Congress with the fact that they'd have to put "tanks on the street".

I don't exactly see where I announced any insurgency.  I asked a question: If voting doesn't work, what then? 

If things go to a real, honest to goodness shootin', hangin' kill-em-all war, I have no illusions about what will happen to me.  I live in Soviet Monica - I'd be one of the first casualties.  Odds are really good that I'd never even see it coming until the rope went around my neck or I got pushed against the wall.

I'd kinda like to avoid that.

But, I guess that makes me gay.

237 239 Ace,

I do wonder though at what point is it enough to have an orange style revolution where people strike en masse....?

I mean the ONLY way Bury can "fund" his games is to go printing press economics which will invariably lead to Weimar level inflation.....

when will you tolerate the right acting with half the fury the left deployed for the eight years we had power boss?

238 Ace, slow the fuck down, man... this only works when you give us a chance to reload...

239 Me neither. We've got all these Secret Patriots ready to take that orgasmic shot, though, just as soon as Attack Plan XB-9 comes down from the secret revolutionary leadership known only as "The Directorate."

240 We had nothing like the monetary catastrophe that we are now staring at. Nothing. Don't even think that having to go off the gold standard was anything comparable. That turned us fiat, wholly. In 2008, we saw the first massive crumblings of that fiat system, and we are only in the eye of the storm, now (thanks to a trillion of federal spending and a few trillions of printing/bond purchases and fake swaps for worthless assets by the fed).

Oh, now come on.  We had a bubble pop in 2008.  It was a smaller bubble relative to GDP than the one in 1929.  It's not a crisis of "the fiat system", it was just a realization that all that debt couldn't possibly be paid back.  In a fractional reserve system that results in deflation.  Yeah, the economy is gonna be ambling around aimlessly for a few decades.  But it's not even close to the end of the world.

241 Great!  So, rather than tyranny, we'll get a years-long bloodbath followed by tyranny.

242 Ace, really, I think the blog is broke.

243 Maybe it's getting lost in the discussion that the "eeyores" have been most accurate about The Precedent and what he's been doing.

NO!

No, you don't get it!

Barack Obama is really not that impressive! 

He didn't invent this shit!

I'd actually have more respect for him if he had!  In a weird kind of way....

Stop focusing on Obama! 

So what, he's a creep.  He's a dumbass with very suspect values and priorities but he's also clearly someone you wouldn't trust to make an Arby's run for an office of like 7 people at lunchtime.

Get over it!

He's just a fucking President for cripes sakes!

You don't think that David Obey didn't have some outline of the Spendulous Bill rolling around in his desk drawer for years?

Do you think that the Health-Crap Bill grew an extra thousand pages or so in between August of '09 and December '?

Focus on the Congress.

244 It's fixed.

245 >>>I don't exactly see where I announced any insurgency. I asked a question: If voting doesn't work, what then? Well your question certainly tends to the suggestion I inferred. If it doesn't work-- then what? How about we worry about that then? Like, do we not have tangible action we can take right now?

246 In the end, we'll always have Snooki.

247 addenda:

when MO of "we back Bury" fame goes 75% against what Jugears called his "cornerstone legislation" he'd be "happy to be a one termer" for....what happens when it turns out they hold on to power in the face of such antipathy to their plans by enlisting my dead forebears to "re-elect" them in perpetuity?

DoJ lets two Black panthers slide, is aiding in an attempt to allow Bury to backdoor amnesty while ignoring the flouting of the law to allow soldiers to vote while deployed.....

I must have gotten lost somehwere along the way when "Mick E mouse" and "Joe P Cadaver" have the right to vote 50 times but my active duty spouse has none.

248 So we can win some elections, and roll some of this stuff back (maybe) and buy ourselves some years of marginal prosperity and freedom again, but the Left will be back, meaner, sicker than before.  Because you can't kill an idea, no matter how sick it seems to be, if somebody gets a payoff at the end of the day.

There are no permanent victories or defeats in politics.  Yeah, they'll come back sicker and meaner.  Then we do the same a few years later.  The most you can really hope for is to move the ball a little bit in your favor.

249 Well, I refuse to be part of your Suvivalist Fantasy/Wannabe Oswald echo chamber.

Fuck you, maniac.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 09:32 PM (KUUXH)

And the Godfather jokes were about pecks on the cheek.

Simmer down dude, I don't have a camp or an echo chamber, and though I've had my share of sadness, I'm not even close to that now.

Just watching events unfold like everyone else here without name calling.

 

250 249 Ace's liver,

you are absolutely correct assuming that the entire world allows us to play by the same rules they set for themselves.....

how often does that happen BTW?

251 dr. spank, the blog is fine, I don't know what you're talking about.

252

57% believe the Federal government is a direct and immediate threat to their freedom.   Per CNN poll, quoted by Pat Caddell, the video posted here.

Guessing that is a nation wide poll.

Poll the poulation of the border states in the south west and give that as an isolated sample.

You might be shocked.

 

253 257 Nike Air Max,

please tell me more about the budding revolutions in your sweat shops.

254

My bad.  By "RAGE" and "FIRE" you meant the election of REPUBLICANS into majority in one or both Houses of Congress --- I misunderstood.

Yeah, electing some Republicans oughta fix everything.

255 Well I really do not know how a gun owner -- who is supposed to be responsible in his gun ownership, and understand that owning a gun is a moral act with moral consequences and moral strictures -- can just be so blase about suggesting he's going to shoot some people he doesn't cotton to. You sound crazy. You sound like a criminal. STOP.

256 261 Ace,

the blog was giving an SQL message for a bit.

Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_STRING in /home/ace/public_html/skins/1/3c-body.php on line 149

is fine now I think maet was doing the ONT

257 260 249 Ace's liver,

you are absolutely correct assuming that the entire world allows us to play by the same rules they set for themselves.....

how often does that happen BTW?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 09:40 PM (kq1lG)

Not sure what you mean by that.  What rules can they set for themselves that we can't set for ourselves?

258 >>>My bad. By "RAGE" and "FIRE" you meant the election of REPUBLICANS into majority in one or both Houses of Congress --- I misunderstood. >>>Yeah, electing some Republicans oughta fix everything. That's right, Phil. Oh I'm sorry, did you have another plan? Let me guess -- it involves something that really can't be discussed without violating OpSec, right? Wow, I am positively surrounded by Rambos. Hold me in your big strong arms.

259 After the crash, the deluge.

260 264 Phil Jones,

they give us 66% of the National Socialist at 85% of the price...with savings like that I'd gladly elect them and then start picking off the RiNOs after a long march teaching the electorate why "freedom" and "federalism" go together to undermine them in their own states.

261 Ace, over the course of your sporadic meltdowns you tend to gradually get less amusing and more pathetic.  Maybe quit while you're ahead once in a while.

262

@254: "Well your question certainly tends to the suggestion I inferred.

If it doesn't work-- then what?"

Well, yeah, when you've designated me Commandante Maximo of the Glorious Revolution, my question would get read that way. 

I don't know what the "what then" is.  But any plan for fixing stuff has to consider what could happen.  Take spending cuts, for example: cut the military budget, we risk foreign aggression.  Cut transfer payments, we risk domestic unrest.  Proposing either is probably electoral poison, but it is necessary. 

So: what's the plan?  Can it work? What happens if it doesn't?

 

263 -->Oh, now come on.  We had a bubble pop in 2008.  It was a smaller bubble relative to GDP than the one in 1929.  It's not a crisis of "the fiat system", it was just a realization that all that debt couldn't possibly be paid back. 

It was not a threat to the monetary system when it happened, but the federal government moved quickly to have private liabilities shifted onto the public (made the Fannie/Freddie guarantees explicit, took on AIG's portfolio, increased FDIC insurance levels in banks, swapped out shit MBSs for cash from the Fed, ...) and turned an economic problem into a monetary one. That was the biggest mistake that was made.  It was made a monetary threat, and that is how the sistuation remains, with the extra debt piled up to fight it now a serious threat, itself, with the coming rise in interest rates (which we will not be able to service, no way no how).  Bush, and the rest, constantly made the serious mistake of terming it as an economic crisis when it was turned into a monetary one.

-->In a fractional reserve system that results in deflation.  Yeah, the economy is gonna be ambling around aimlessly for a few decades.  But it's not even close to the end of the world.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 09:35 PM (XIXhw)

The US is the engine of the world.   The only way to deal with our debt is to grow out of it, but we have been implementing anti-growth, anti-capitalist, anti-property rules that make that possibility more and more remote.  The US can't take two decades of stagnation like Japan just went through.  They could only do it because the US was around and chugging along.  The engine, itself, can't idle for two decades.  We need growth.  We have to have growth.

Just to refresh the memory,

Nikkei Dec 1989: 39,000

Nikkei Aug 2010: 9,550

The US can't afford to experience that. Trust me.

264

@236,

Well No........Of Course not!

But we disagree on the nature of the problem. You like Ace, seem to bellieve that just because you get Republican control, that somehow means things are all better."

I don't agree with that.

Just like it took radical and drastic measures to destroy, it will take radical and drastic measures to fix it. We are not seeing anything of this nature in the open, and that why you have people behind closed doors preparing for the worst. You want us to be confident, well not much evidence to support the confidence. 

 

 

265 267 Ace's liver,

simply put we are the biggest debtor, now I would argue that relative to established wealth generation potential we are fine....

but if China and the EU decided to play "tilt the donkey" with our wastrels it could get gloomy....

it is a lot like "fair trade" rules....we tend to do the supine rectal thrust to the world's John Holmes a lot.

266 273 PoP,

precisely...the conspiracy nut in me when I let him out think "the rest of the world" was pulling for Jugears for just that reason.

267 >>>So: what's the plan? Can it work? What happens if it doesn't? Honestly, Fa? You don't get anywhere looking at a big mess of a yard and deciding it's too fucked up to fix and give up where you started. You start where you start, you pick out an area and get to work.

268 277 Ace,

how do you clean the yard when your neighbor declares your burning dead leaves to be sacrilege and "destroying our atrmosphere and causing global warming"?

There are very genuine systemic problems the left has baked into our current economic cake.

269 In the end, we'll always have Snooki.

Posted by: TexasJew the Optimist at August 05, 2010 09:38 PM (o7kZZ)

Snooki just got out of the Hoosegow, didn't she?

God Bless Snooki.

270 >>>Ace, over the course of your sporadic meltdowns you tend to gradually get less amusing and more pathetic. Maybe quit while you're ahead once in a while. Nah. Thanks for the warning. As a general matter I would consider it good advice. I really am tired of the wannabe revolutionaries, though. it's such crank nonsense. Hey, I've got an idea, let's rob a bank... let's let the FBI know we want to rob a bank... hey, I've got a gun, that would be good for robbing that bank... let's pick which bank we want to rob. Fuckin' stupidity.

271 278 DU,

and *that* is precisely what we need to spend our time getting viral....

people instinctively know Ogabe is creating a new borderline monarchy in the form of civil servants....

maybe Ace will get a happy smile and the "we need da revolutionz now" guys can get out some hormonal rage if we spent our energy doing JUST THAT.

272 #193 FTW

273 The US is the engine of the world.   The only way to deal with our debt is to grow out of it, but we have been implementing anti-growth, anti-capitalist, anti-property rules that make that possibility more and more remote.  The US can't take two decades of stagnation like Japan just went through.  They could only do it because the US was around and chugging along.  The engine, itself, can't idle for two decades.  We need growth.  We have to have growth.

What do you mean by saying the US "can't take" two decades of stagnation?  Sure we can.  We've done it before.  In fact, that's what's likely to happen.  They'll print dollars to pay off that massive debt, raise taxes, and stiff the old folks somehow.  But it's going to take a long string of stupid mistakes before we get to the Mad Max territory everyone seems to think is around the bend.

And it's not like we haven't debased the dollar in the past.  We've been doing it nonstop since we went off the gold standard.

We've been through worse.  It's just that nobody remembers because things were so good for so long.

274 So why post on a political blog? Gallows humor venting helps. Posted by: Fa Cube Itches

For gallows humor doesn't it have to be funny?

Actual humor would be one thing, but the repetitive Cassandra posts are tedious. I get that for most of the vocal cynics here the posts are signaling; a way of showing others you are serious conservatives and 'in- the-know.'

But it becomes more than just tedious after a while. It becomes like a political Asperger's.

Seriously, instead you could write something funny or take a half-second to tell us what you're doing to help conservatives win in Nov.

275 sickinmass, Take a break from the site, please.

276 >>>But it becomes more than just tedious after a while. It becomes like a political Asperger's. That too, yes. I think you're right, it's a manner of signaling, of those who think themselves hard-core trying to signal others that they're hard-core. We get. We know who the hard-core is. Just give it a rest.

277

Hey, I've got an idea, let's rob a bank... let's let the FBI know we want to rob a bank... hey, I've got a gun, that would be good for robbing that bank... let's pick which bank we want to rob.

The first rule of Spontaneous Felony Club is that you don't talk about Spontaneous Felony Club.

278 275 267 Ace's liver,

simply put we are the biggest debtor, now I would argue that relative to established wealth generation potential we are fine....

but if China and the EU decided to play "tilt the donkey" with our wastrels it could get gloomy....

it is a lot like "fair trade" rules....we tend to do the supine rectal thrust to the world's John Holmes a lot.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 09:45 PM (kq1lG)

Bah.  We traded them pieces of paper for toys and cheap kitchen gadgets.  But who controls the supply of those pieces of paper?  China's not holding the whip here - they can play all the games they want to play, but in the end we can drain their bank account without crossing the Pacific.

279 But how does this help Shirley Sherrod's victimology?

280 Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 09:52 PM (XIXhw)

If interest rates returned to 1980 levels, do you believe that the US would be able to service our national debt?  I have to tell you that many like to blithely answer that we can just print it, but a hyperinflationary spiral (not like the stagflation of the 70's, but real hyperinflation) for the world's largest currency and world reserve and trade currency is really not where one should think of going.  There is no escape from that.  Like I said, we aren't Iceland.  The US dollar can't be bailed out and can't be replaced by anything.  It is singular in history, this way.

281 http://tinyurl.com/245g762

Hillary Clinton asks for flood relief for Pakistan...donates 10 bucks....

"give 'til it hurts"

282 Well she's giving more than I am, I'll tell you that.

283 Over the past 12 years, I've stashed over 1750 boxes of Kraft's Macaroni and Cheese dinners and I ain't handing them over to the UN police!

284 290 Ace's Liver,

if only I had the faith we were as ruthless now as we were in 1940....

hell in an ideal world we'd nudge China and India towards war and clean up at the bank and the peace we were part of after 3 years of war had already gone by.

285

Ace,

It is just severe frustration getting vented here. How can blame anybody for being frustrated at this point?

 

286 292 Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 09:52 PM (XIXhw)

If interest rates returned to 1980 levels, do you believe that the US would be able to service our national debt?  I have to tell you that many like to blithely answer that we can just print it, but a hyperinflationary spiral (not like the stagflation of the 70's, but real hyperinflation) for the world's largest currency and world reserve and trade currency is really not where one should think of going.  There is no escape from that.  Like I said, we aren't Iceland.  The US dollar can't be bailed out and can't be replaced by anything.  It is singular in history, this way.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 05, 2010 09:57 PM (Qp4DT)

I'm not interested in carrying the weight of the rest of the world on my shoulders.  I'm mostly interested in what happens here.  If Europe goes into a deep depression because we had to print some greenbacks that's a misstep on their part.

287 Yeah Ace, I think some people are just venting. The Prop 8 ruling has a lot of people pissed. And that was un-democratic, so people feel helpless to change things to a certain extent.

288 Over the past 12 years, I've stashed over 1750 boxes of Kraft's Macaroni and Cheese dinners and I ain't handing them over to the UN police!

Posted by: TexasJew at August 05, 2010 09:58 PM (o7kZZ)

Thanks!

289 Let's just do the right things period. Get ourselves into our local political offices, make sure we have votes that count, become monitors so no corruption can take place in our districts. Get some of us elected to school boards, maybe a handful of state representatives, even possibly a real Congressman or two. Then we hold the line. Pull a Senator Coburn. We call people on their BS. Make these crooks spell out what they are doing. Don't play the game. Make them read their own corrupt words. Do it with a sense of humor, ala Chris Christie. But don't back down. We do everything legally possible to stop them. When they circumvent the Constitution, ex: Prop 8, Kelo, etc., we pass laws taking those areas out of the purview of the courts. We don't have to accept faulty decisions by biased courts if we are in charge of the purse-strings and the state houses. Look at the mood of the country. People are on our side. They want to just live their lives and not have their children become indentured servants to the political class and its' chosen winners. People want fair play. Believe it. Yes, we do need to take back the education system and the media. We're doing a damn good job with talk radio and Fox. They are the only outlets where at least we get to speak on occasion. And we are being heard. Let's use this time to organize. The tea parties are more than just time to get some frustration off your chest. They are a signal that the people of this country are fed up by the ruling class. We need to provide leadership, not anger. Is anyone with me?

290

@286: "But it becomes more than just tedious after a while. It becomes like a political Asperger's."

Sweet, so I'm a gay revolutionary with Asperger's now?  That's gotta qualify me for some serious subsidy cash.

"Seriously, instead you could write something funny or take a half-second to tell us what you're doing to help conservatives win in Nov."

I could, yeah. But, you know, OpSec requirements.  I must not publicize the bake sale to get that RPG that Brigada Ocho is counting on.

Again, I live in Soviet Monica.  There isn't much I can do.   I've worked on campaigns before and may again, if I find a decent candidate with a chance to win.  I'm also on the list of attorneys who have volunteered to help with election litigation, should any conservative candidate get close enough to need that.

291

Jeez, people.   We get as many of the assholes out in Novemeber as we can.   Others will be up for election in 2 years.   We can fix this shit by keeping, in O'dumbasses words, "a boot on the neck" on those up next.    If you don't think what happens in November will not be on their minds when they make those next votes in Congress, you're crazy. 

Hell, it may take time, but damn, I don't plan to die tomorrow, and if I do there will be someone to step up.   That's what the hell it's all about.

I'm as angry, if not more than, most.   I plan to channel that anger into taking out of office every fuckstick that needs to be taken out.

 

292 if only I had the faith we were as ruthless now as we were in 1940....

It's not a question of ruthlessness.  The choice will be between debasing the currency or raising taxes really high and working like dogs for a couple decades to maintain the value of our currency.  In an ideal world we might do the latter.  In the real world there's no way that will happen.

293

It is just severe frustration getting vented here. How can blame anybody for being frustrated at this point?

 

Posted by: Jimi at August 05, 2010 09:59 PM (fqxV7)

Including Ace.

I just hope he has his water wings on when he jumps off the deep end.

294

When Benjamin Disraeli gave his first speech in parliament, he was booed so much you could barely hear him. Lengend has it that he remained standing and said, "One day you will hear me!"

They will hear us in Washington in November. You can only insult people for so long before they rise up with one voice and demand their rights and demand to be heard. Yes, you will hear us in November. Count on it.

295 >>>It is just severe frustration getting vented here. How can blame anybody for being frustrated at this point? I'll tell you about frustration -- I've asked FIFTY FUCKING TIMES that people not "vent frustration" by talking up revolution and assassination on MY FUCKING BLOG and some fuckers continue to fucking spazz their emotional problems out here on MY SITE. That is frustrating too, my good man.

296 I'm not interested in carrying the weight of the rest of the world on my shoulders.  I'm mostly interested in what happens here.  If Europe goes into a deep depression because we had to print some greenbacks that's a misstep on their part.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 10:02 PM (XIXhw)

If that's your view, then you should be much more in favor of defaulting on the debt (but saving the dollar in the process) than monetizing the debt and destroying our currency.

297 If this nation survived FDR, it will survive Obama.  The odds are stacked against us right now, but going batshit crazy helps no one.  Take a deep breath and back away from politics for awhile if you're mind starts drifting that way.  I've done it before, it helps, really.

298 307 Ace,

yeah talking about assassination is a big no-go....

you were absolutely correct about LBJ using JFK getting zapped by a lefty as a justification to punish the rightwing nuts by going closer to Marx(which by the way Oswald wanted).....

it is surreal it is almost as though LHO was "the ultimate LBJ voter"

299

@305

If he jumps, I Have a Pink Inner Tube in the shape of a Dinasour with attached nose pitching plugs I will throw him.

I will save you Ace! 

300

It is just severe frustration getting vented here. How can blame anybody for being frustrated at this point? - Jimi

Venting is one thing.. Violent fantasies are another.  You can read silly sick stuff like that on the left, at Kos or DU, about what they'd like to do to Republicans, the Right, Sarah Palin, etc.   But that sort of think actually feeds their ends.

What the leftist/statists want is a Hobbesian wilderness, of man against man, all against all, with a powerful fascist/corporatist state to "protect" you from your fellow man.  The end of Burke's "civil society", of people voluntarily organizing to help their neighborhood or town. What they want is a violent social wilderness where only the government can protect you.  The prototype already exists in a lot of big cities.  They want to take that pathology nationwide, to every town and villlage. No escape.

That's why the violent fantasies (and I get plenty mad to) are a means to their ends.  In my humble opinion.

301

The guy in the video is saying that revolution could be coming  People here are agreeing that it is possible, but I haven't seen too many hues and cries for the militia to muster.

302 Obama will be out of office in January 2013, repudiated with only 43% of the vote. For the next two years he will be neutered. After the Republican Revolution of 1994, the question was asked, a lot, "Is the President relevant?" Clinton was reduced to doing joint appearances with Newt Gingrich. Now, Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears.

303 If that's your view, then you should be much more in favor of defaulting on the debt (but saving the dollar in the process) than monetizing the debt and destroying our currency.

That might happen instead.  I doubt it, but maybe.  Politically, debasing the currency is a lot easier because so many people don't realize it's being done on purpose.

304 >>>The guy in the video is saying that revolution could be coming People here are agreeing that it is possible, but I haven't seen too many hues and cries for the militia to muster. Fa, I'm sorry, I understand you weren't trying to be explicit about this, and you probably feel picked on. And that's because I didn't say "Okay, you're cool, I get it, you were frustrated." I don't mean you. Sorry it feels like I'm piling on.

305 314 Ace,

y'know thank God I FORCED the GOP to cut welfare huh?

//Beijing Bill

306

"Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears."

Obama's definitely not as savvy as Clinton, but his followers seem even more fanatical.

307

Well she's giving more than I am, I'll tell you that.

I just donated $10 worth of poisonous spiders to Pakistan.  It's the least I can do.

308 Now, Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears.

Yep, that's true.  He made things worse than they had to be, but the reality is he was destined to be a one-term president the day he was sworn in.

309 Now, Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears.

That economy wasn't that bad, at all.  And BJ had the survival instincts and Dick Morris that lead him to triangulate.  BJ was no idealogue like Capn Clusterfuck is.

310 -->Obama will be out of office in January 2013, repudiated with only 43% of the vote.

Clinton won with 43%.

-->For the next two years he will be neutered.

Based on what? He'll just shift more to Executive orders and regulation.

-->After the Republican Revolution of 1994, the question was asked, a lot, "Is the President relevant?" Clinton was reduced to doing joint appearances with Newt Gingrich.

Clinton was a natural born American. I know that means nothing to many people, but sets its own limits, which is why the Founders had it in as a requirement.

-->Now, Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:11 PM (KUUXH)

There are many reasons people end up holding onto power.

311 319 Vjay,

y'know there is a tax-free weekend in Louisiana this weekend and God help me the sporting goods stores were advertising "tax free ammo weekend"....

so here's my plan!

everybody buy 10 bucks of tax-free 7.62*51mm and send it to India with "your friends the American electorate" on it.

312 >>I just donated $10 worth of poisonous spiders to Pakistan.  It's the least I can do.


That's the kinda extremist talk we can do without here.

313 Now, Clinton was able to hold on to power because the economy turned around, but that's not going to happen with Jugears.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:11 PM (KUUXH)

I hope you're wrong about the economy part. Clinton got re elected because of Ross Perot and Bob Dole. If we had a decent candidate he would have lost IMO. I even voted for him because I thought he was the best of the three.

314

@316: "I don't mean you. Sorry it feels like I'm piling on."

No worries, we're all big boys here.

315 and again we fight each other. Just get to the polls and get every single person you know to get to the polls. Hell, I am as redneck as they come and I am not lock and loading and it is a long time to come before it gets to that so let's just step back and see where we can organize and defeat them at the polls this November and go from there. No need to keep shouting about armed revolution. Because, really, they are fucking jerkoffs who have already had their 15 minutes and they know it. That have almost totally lost all the right of center democrats and indys and they needed them and they are gone now. So stop the fucking revolutionary crap and get down to business and just vote and put your feet where your mouth is and do what they do. ORGANIZE.

316

so here's my plan!

everybody buy 10 bucks of tax-free 7.62*51mm and send it to India with "your friends the American electorate" on it.

I don't know man.  Lotta gas to get to Louisiana.  There's a poisonous spider shop on every block in my neighborhood.  I can get them at Pottery Barn around here.

317 It's a matter of timing. There will be some kind of recovery -- at least a meager one-- but when? In 1993 January, the economy had already been growing for two whole quarters, a full half of a year. The MFM covered this up because they didn't want to credit Bush the Elder with a recovery. But even with that headstart no one believed the economy was truly in recovery under clinton until say 1995-- like more than two years after it had begun. Only then did people FEEL it. Now that worked out nicely for Clinton because by Nov. 1996 everyone knew the economy was in recovery. Supposedly Obama has a recovery going on, but it's anemic as hell; compare his shitty growth rates to those in Bush the Younger's recovery (where the economy spiked like 7% in a quarter and then 5%). Big bang stuff, coming out a recession with a punch. Obama's eking a 3.3% at best, and now that's down to 2.7%. Further, this comes rather late -- almost a year and half into his term. Further further, I think we're going to double-dip. The odds of Obama having a recovery that the people can actually FEEL (i.e., big enough, long-standing enough, widespread enough) by May 2012 (when people make up their minds about the economy for the election) are getting lower and lower.

318

@314

That is a reasonable outlook for one to have, but it represents faith in the Republican Party that I have lost.

Does it mean I won't get it back...NO, but they are going to have to re-proof themselves to me.

I am not sure which comments exactly your referring to when you say you are afraid of the violent talk, but I disagree that Revolution has to be violent, there are possiblities of Revolution that do not have a violent method. The civil rights movement is a good example.

I am confronting my political opposition on a regular basis in public atmosphere, and it is our opponent that wants to be violent, the violent talk coming from our side seems to me to be a defensive mechanism.

Just my interpretation!

 

319 327 SCC,,,

indeed....we should all be shouting from the goddamned rooftops-

THAT JUGEARED SONOFABITCH JUST GAVE THE CIVIL SERVANTS AN 8% PAY INCREASE DID YOU JUST GET A GODDAMNED 10% RAISE?

the rest will take care of itself.

320 That might happen instead.  I doubt it, but maybe.  Politically, debasing the currency is a lot easier because so many people don't realize it's being done on purpose.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 10:12 PM (XIXhw)

I agree with you 100%, liver.  That's the problem.  Monetizing the debt is too easy, politically, but it puts the monetary system at risk of destruction - and at risk of an inescapable spiral towards destruction that is much enhanced given the historically large and singular nature of the dollar.  Default maintains the integrity of the monetary system but screws up foreign relations and borrowing, immediately.  We are destined to try and inflate our way out of the problems, which only leads to problems several orders of magnitudes worse, as the easier path is ususally only that way because the ill-effects are put off and come in later, and more viciously.

321 >>>There are many reasons people end up holding onto power. You're just annoying me with your conspiratorial hint-hints now. Fine. They said the same thing about Bush, too. Weren't they silly-billies! But we're right this time, because it's us.

322  People here are agreeing that it is possible, but I haven't seen too many hues and cries for the militia to muster.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at August 05, 2010 10:11 PM (ySNz/)

Oh come on, revolution isn't possible. Not even  remotely. I served in the Marines and have no desire whatsoever to get in a gunfight with those fuckers.

323 If violence in the streets is in the forecast for the US it won't be right wing revolutionaries, it will be rioting when the entitlement class gets its handouts reduced or cut off.

324 I see that they're organizing a secret Build-a-Bear meeting at the mall.

325 334 Rob,

I seem to recall a nice set of surveys that found the US military was inherently prone to want to "sit out" being deployed to US "civil disturbances" much to the chagrin of NorthCom actually....I'll see if I can dig it up.

326 The reason I became a Republican is because of the cover-up, by the media, of Bush I's recovery. I was taking macroeconomics in college at the time.

327 The earliest people can feel a recovery is like a full year from now -- Aug 2011 -- and that assumes that the economy grows better than it does now and keeps growing consistently. Notice Obama's got like less than a year to do this. By May 2012 opinions about the economy harden and those by and large are carried into November.

328 If you have to "convince" the majority of Americans to think  and vote like Americans, then there is no America left, really.

Really.

I quite honestly don't see that.

I have had many bootless conversations with American moon-bats where we've had to "agree to disagree" but there are some ground-rules that are just so fundamental that they are fricken' alien to people from other countries.

It's a pretty powerful ethos and as much as I acknowledge the successes of those who would distort or pervert it, it's still pretty persistent in its essence.

I wouldn't presume to tell someone else how to "think like an American" though I'm more than happy to share my thoughts on the matter, if asked.

I do hope to convince my neighbor to vote for this guy for Corporate Commissioner or that gal for State Rep. and why, though.

It's funny how much I have in common with my neighbors who are so different in age and sex and background and education!

Everyone likes a little Chris Christie, even if they have no idea who the hell he is!

Just be smart, knowledgeable, passionate, articulate and sincere.

If you can't be a fatso ex-prosecutor, with trial experience, it kind of helps to do the dramatic wide-eyed thingy he does to such effect.

329 >>>There are many reasons people end up holding onto power.


You're just annoying me with your conspiratorial hint-hints now.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:20 PM (KUUXH)

Oy. What the hell are you reading into this?  Cultural issues.  Fashion. Hate of the other party.  etc.

330 The odds of Obama having a recovery that the people can actually FEEL (i.e., big enough, long-standing enough, widespread enough) by May 2012 (when people make up their minds about the economy for the election) are getting lower and lower.nil

Republicans will take the House, off chance the Senate.  Very first order of bidness in January will be to extend the Bush tax reduction (which will have just expired).  Maybe it passes the Senate.  Dipshit will veto it to "look tough on the deficit".  That's all she wrote for a year at least, economy wise.

331 yeah talking about assassination is a big no-go....

you were absolutely correct about LBJ using JFK getting zapped by a lefty as a justification to punish the rightwing nuts by going closer to Marx(which by the way Oswald wanted).....

it is surreal it is almost as though LHO was "the ultimate LBJ voter"

Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 10:10 PM (kq1lG)

I missed any assassination talk. Had to be joking, as it's well established that it's a Leftist tactic. Conservatives just aren't likely to resort to lawlessness.

Guns are for sport and confident personal protection if you come under attack. Like if the currency dissolves and we face looting for food.

The EPA is trying for a way to outlaw ammo, which I believe is a sign of their well deserved paranoia at this point.

But Leftists assassinate and also regulate guns out of existence.

That's not hardcore, porn is hardcore. And I mean that in the fondest sense.

And Rambo is make believe.

332 I seem to recall a nice set of surveys that found the US military was inherently prone to want to "sit out" being deployed to US "civil disturbances" much to the chagrin of NorthCom actually....I'll see if I can dig it up.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 10:22 PM (kq1lG)

Don't bother, there were times I was inherently prone to sit some things out too. I didn't get a vote.

333

Recovery to what? We're fucking broke. Let's just act like it and start driving purple 1959 Buicks, like they do in Cuba.

334 >>>Oy. What the hell are you reading into this? Cultural issues. Fashion. Hate of the other party. etc. Oh, I read "he's going to cancel elections." Okay, sorry, am now in bitch mode.

335 I'm coming for your gold TJ.

336 335 - David ...exactly. that is where the fight will come from. Just like they did when they decided that foreclosed properties where there for their taking. Let them do the stupid things and let us sit back and let them show their ass. and they will. It will not take much for the average working citizen to undertstand the situation. It is happening and if people would just wait and let them hang themselves with their behavior and just vote we will be okay. I see change coming and it will be good. This crap that Obama and his group have tried to put over on America is not happening. People have become aware and things will change soon. They gave it their best shot and it was too much for the average American. My only real concern is if they somehow get an amnesty thing back doored. If that happens then all bets are off and they have pushed the envelope but until that happens stop with the armed revolution crap. Just fucking do your best to walk the talk and get involved and bring as many people to the polls are you can.

337

@334: "Oh come on, revolution isn't possible. Not even  remotely. I served in the Marines and have no desire whatsoever to get in a gunfight with those fuckers."

If you mean massed armies, marching in the fields, yeah, I agree.  A Northern Ireland type scenario seems possible, though.  Assorted irregulars running around nibbling at the margins could happen, at least in some areas where the body politic is heavily mixed.  Some ethnic violence also seems possible - predominantly in areas with heavily concentrations of illegals.

 

338 Ay yi yi. Game out a sort of race war? Come on, come on. the reason this is unseemly is because it has the feel as if it's a consummation devoutly to be wished -- that you're kind of looking forward to finally settling up the score. Maybe you don't mean that -- that's how it reads.

339 344 Rob,

a lot of space between "help Somali group A not get killed today by Somali group B so group A can try to kill group B tomorrow"

and


"Good afternoon I know you are a third generation soldier who happily volunteered to fight in this rather unpopular conflict because of Family traditions and all that, but the current PotUS would like you to march on and possibly kill your uncles and cousins many of whom also served because he found  out that people cannot be convinced shit tastes like filet mignon"....

most troops I know would vote with their feet....I know I would've.

340

RCP Avg  Right Track 33.5%  Wrong Track  61.3%

Comforting.

341 Notice Obama's got like less than a year to do this. By May 2012 opinions about the economy harden and those by and large are carried into November.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:23 PM (KUUXH)

There is a bunch of money sitting on the sidelines now in corporations coffers. I've talked to alot of people in business that are keeping from pulling the trigger until after the election.

There is a better than average possibility that if the repubs take the house or senate or both we could have a boom next year. Corporations and banks are making money. They are just hanging on to it.

342 347 I'm coming for your gold TJ.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at August 05, 2010 10:27 PM (xO+6C)

You can take my gold, my Hummer, my family and even my complete collection of Jugs Illustrated, but not my Kraft's Macaroni nand Cheese dinners..

343 >>>There is a better than average possibility that if the repubs take the house or senate or both we could have a boom next year. Corporations and banks are making money. They are just hanging on to it. Right, that has occurred to me, but in that case at least the conservatives have a pretty good case to make that THEY brought the boom. And I don't know if I buy "boom." I have no idea what I'm talking about but this feels like it's going to go on for years.

344

@350: Not a race war, no.

But I could see immigration protests (pro or contra) getting violent, and retaliations following.

Or it could be something like is happening with black and hispanic neighborhoods in LA.

It seems possible to me, but I don't know what percent probability there is.  More than insignificant, less than highly-likely.

345

@345

"Recovery to what? We're fucking broke. Let's just act like it and start driving purple 1959 Buicks, like they do in Cuba."

The only thing I have asked of the people, who keep telling me, "Once Republicans get back to power we can stop them in their tracks, and begini to figure what to do then," is where the hell is the economic Real GDP per Capita growth going to come from?

No one, including those on the left, has an answer to that question. Originally the Lefties where saying we would get it from a New Green economy...it was a blatant lie, they didn't even start to pursue that route.

From where I am sitting, if everybody can stay clam, we will hold it together, but the stadard of living is goiing way down, and we may have just witnessed America's Super Power Status pass us by.

 

346 We are destined to try and inflate our way out of the problems, which only leads to problems several orders of magnitudes worse, as the easier path is ususally only that way because the ill-effects are put off and come in later, and more viciously.

I don't believe it's as dire as that.  The reason countries get into real problems with hyperinflation (as in Hungary in the '50s and Zimbabwe today) is they overdo it.  A few years of Carter-style inflation will go a long way to fixing our debt problem and can be reversed afterward.

347 335 is right. One of my relatives is a mailman in a minority neighborhood, probably the only white guy they see regularly who isn't a cop, and he has to go in every building to deliver the mail. He's an exceptionally strong and resilient person.  He has to be because what some of the locals tell him ("you're supporting me and your children are going to support me") and the stuff he sees (signs in community centers that say "THEY OWE US") is truly scary.  This administration has been ramping up the sense of entitlement (he said there was dancing in the streets when people got free cell phones) and it's going to get ugly when the entitlements stop. I may need to move out of NYC before then, because there will be bloodshed. He also said there are some locals who think O is not doing a good job, but are very careful who they tell it to. One of them told him "Under Bush we had Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have no cash and no hope." 

348 Oh, I read "he's going to cancel elections." Okay, sorry, am now in bitch mode.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:27 PM (KUUXH)

No problem.  I am not averse to discussing those possibilities, though, when I do, I say them explicitly.  Along those lines, if the Sep 2008 credit crisis happened in Sep 2010 or 2012, there's little question that those consequences that people were so scared of happening last time would almost surely occur with the coming crisis, as we are all tapped out.  This crisis will come, but I don't think there is danger of it being timed for anything.  It is just naturally heading towards us.

Further, I've never viewed The Precedent as wanting to hold onto power forever.  My view of him is much different.  I think he is here to destroy as much as he can in his one (and likely less, at least I think he figured so) term.  This is why I was not surprised by his declaration that he didn't care about a second term.  I'd been writing that since he first came into office.

That's why I'm not one who views The Precedent as a socialist.  I don't think he has any real political thoughts, at all.  He's just on a revenge mission, so far as I've seen it.

349 most troops I know would vote with their feet....I know I would've.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 10:29 PM (kq1lG)

Give it up. Yeah alot would. A good number would follow orders. It doesn't take that many you know. It's just crazy to think about it.

350

@353: "There is a better than average possibility that if the repubs take the house or senate or both we could have a boom next year. Corporations and banks are making money. They are just hanging on to it"

Boom seems unlikely.  It will take a lot of time just to regain what was lost.  We have to add what, 150K jobs/month just to keep the labor market even; to get a boom, we'd have to have hiring well beyond that for a long, long time. 

351 People have accumulated a lot of debt over the last several years, including myself, and have begun paying it down. So spending is down and will continue that way for awhile. Throw in the uncertainty over health care, cap and trade, taxes, card check, etc, and who's going to hire new employees? Not me.

352

Oh come on, revolution isn't possible. Not even  remotely. I served in the Marines and have no desire whatsoever to get in a gunfight with those fuckers.

Posted by: robtr at August 05, 2010 10:20 PM (fwSHf)

Our armed services are tiny compared to the population. And they won't fight their fellow Americans to protect some raving Left-wing politico. And the vast majority of the arms in America are in the hands of private citizens, in any case.

I won't go into the more unpleasant aspects of Civil Wars.

 

 

 

353 And I don't know if I buy "boom." I have no idea what I'm talking about but this feels like it's going to go on for years.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 10:32 PM (KUUXH)

It doesn't take that much to start a boom. Housing could lead us out of this mess. We are underbuilding housing by about 1,000,000 units a year and have for 3 years. We only have 8 months inventory now and a sellers market is 6 months or below.

People are living with their parents, siblings and friends now. If employment stabilizes at 150,000 per month where people feel like they aren't going to lose their job and they might even get a raise things could change pretty fast.

354 There won't be a business boom until there's a bona fide friendly in the WH again (regardless of how toothless O's presidency becomes).

355 Supposedly Obama has a recovery going on, but it's anemic as hell; compare his shitty growth rates to those in Bush the Younger's recovery (where the economy spiked like 7% in a quarter and then 5%). Big bang stuff, coming out a recession with a punch.

Because it isn't a real recovery.  Lemme 'splain what I mean by that.  In theory you have economic cycles because resources become mis-allocated when people get used to a growing economy.  You get speculation, and that causes growth that isn't supportable.  Then you go into recession and those mis-allocated dollars (and people) get reallocated so you can start growing again.

So technically two quarters of negative GDP mean a recession, and positive GDP means recovery.  But you can goose GDP numbers by borrowing money and spreading it around, which technically ends the recession.  But the economy never actually reallocates all those mis-allocated resources.  You create a zombie economy that will dip in and out of recession depending on how much the government can get away with borrowing that year.

That's what happened in Japan for more than twenty years now, and that's what started happening in the US after the crash in 2008.

The point is Obama is screwed unless he stops with the Keynesian crap.  Which he won't do because so much of that money is going to the ACORNs of the world.

356 355 - Ace .. I can tell you that from my recent discussions with many small business people and many mid-size and large business owners. This economic situation will go on for some time even if things "appear" to be better. It is because the fucking banks are NOT lending. I don't give a flying fuck what they say. I have many many friends who are in the business community and not deadbeats either. The banks are holding onto the money because they did not have any stipulations on the bailout. But, even besides that people will continue to be paranoid well after any recovery as they are holding back and not hiring and not doing anything that might put them at risk. There is no expansion in small or mid-size business - nothing. They are just waiting it out. It is fucked and and I know that eventually it will get better but these jerks do not know what they have done. This insecurity with the economy will last far past any perceived "recovery'". This is just a fact and this is not something I am just pulling out of my ass. Business is just waiting and there will be no increase in employment until it is very clear that this administration is gone and it is safe to be a small or mid-size business again.

357 361 Rob,

contrary to what Ace inferred, and what in my late night insomniacal posting I may have inadvertently been cryptic in allowing to be implied I do not support armed insurrection until a LOT of things more serious than "Jugears is replacing liberals with liberals on SCotUS" occur.

That said if you think, God forbid, that in the event of a genuine third revolution in US history the "rebels" would be stupid enough to try to fight "straight up" unless they were better than even on odds to win you misunderstand why we are moving so slowly in this Godforsaken conflict we are still in.


The flea will almost always defeat the elephant.

I agree with Ace, I will be as totally clear as I know how.

The American people barring some Tunguska level event are going to give the democrats a richly deserved electoral bloodbath.  We owe it to our founders, men such as you, women such as my wife to use the system we inherited from the blood and honor of heroes past.  The democrats are the ones on the precipice of history not me or my side of the aisle.

They *may try* to electioneer and dirty trick their way to the status quo ante becoming the state of being en perpetual but I doubt they have any more intestinal fortitude for that than they did for going to their districts and meeting with their bosses the people.

The "revolution" is in November....

we normal folk will meet at dawn and drop Xerxes jr. to his knees with a well-placed electoral shot to the groin.

358

@364: "Our armed services are tiny compared to the population. And they won't fight their fellow Americans to protect some raving Left-wing politico"

Yeah, even in the wars in Yugoslavia, it was paramilitaries that did most of the fighting, at least on the Serbian side. 

359 Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 10:41 PM (XIXhw)

Well said.  We got 5% growth for one quarter after having spent hundreds of billions in federal outlays and the Fed dumping TRILLIONS into the system.  5% annualized growth for a $13 trillion economy at a cost of trillions.  It's almost criminal to call it "growth".

360

Our armed services are tiny compared to the population.

I am not sure what you mean by that. If you are saying you wouldn't mind getting in a fight with 8 guys in a bradley with a 20mm chain gun and 40mm automatic grenade launcher with whatever the newest cobra is circling overhead with 100 of your best friends with hunting rifles I think I want to stay home for that one.

361 371 Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 10:41 PM (XIXhw)

Well said.  We got 5% growth for one quarter after having spent hundreds of billions in federal outlays and the Fed dumping TRILLIONS into the system.  5% annualized growth for a $13 trillion economy at a cost of trillions.  It's almost criminal to call it "growth".

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 05, 2010 10:46 PM (Qp4DT)

Right.  It's "growth" in the same way my personal finances grow when I run up my credit cards.

362

It's anecdotal of course (I do that), but having helped craft the latest five-year plan for our company, we're semi-optomistic about Texas and ain't gonna spend a nickel we don't have to until after Nov 2012.

 

f'n way it is.  We don't see anything trending up until way after it would be of any use to Obama's reelection campaign.

363 374

It's anecdotal of course (I do that), but having helped craft the latest five-year plan for our company, we're semi-optomistic about Texas and ain't gonna spend a nickel we don't have to until after Nov 2012.

 

f'n way it is.  We don't see anything trending up until way after it would be of any use to Obama's reelection campaign.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 05, 2010 10:49 PM (Wh0W+)

Sheeeeeit.  If you worked for me I'd be afraid to spend money too.

364 372 Rob,

yeah thank God the military won't fracture and bring skills and kit with them in the event of an Ogabe Crytal nacht right?

Saying it can't be done is as silly as saying it would be easy.

My point is we have an election coming up to put to bed.

Talk to three people tomorrow and say, "my sister works for the USDA and got an 8% raise, but her husband works for Holmes pipe-fitters and got asked to take an 8% paycut because of the drilling ban".....

people will do the math.

365

@373

The Real GDP growth as the only measurement can be tricky.

If your refer to the calculation, you can see that if government spending increases so does GDP, it is not a deep enough calculus to sort out good spending vs. bad spending with bad spending being deficit spending.

366

I am not sure what you mean by that. If you are saying you wouldn't mind getting in a fight with 8 guys in a bradley with a 20mm chain gun and 40mm automatic grenade launcher with whatever the newest cobra is circling overhead with 100 of your best friends with hunting rifles I think I want to stay home for that one.

Posted by: robtr at August 05, 2010 10:46 PM (fwSHf)

When they run out of ammunition, they'll be torn liimb from limb. It happened to the Germans on the Eatern front.

Stop the macho shit. It's not gong to happen.

367

Right.  It's "growth" in the same way my personal finances grow when I run up my credit cards.

Posted by: Ace's liver at August 05, 2010 10:48 PM (XIXhw)

I guess the geniuses are just using EBITDA calculations to gauge the US economy  

(Though they're doing it with revenues instead of earnings.  It's a neat trick.)

368

@373: "If you are saying you wouldn't mind getting in a fight with 8 guys in a bradley with a 20mm chain gun and 40mm automatic grenade launcher with whatever the newest cobra is circling overhead with 100 of your best friends with hunting rifles..."

Tito had the answer to that one.  Shoot them with the hunting rifles when they get out of the Bradley to take a piss.

Of course, he usually sent guys out to do that, rather than do it himself....

369

In case anyone missed Caddell's meaning (sven gets it), him being a political analyst and all, to him a "revolution unlike ever seen before" is elections and shit.

 

I'm really sure that's what he means.

370 I'm really sure that's what he means.

I don't know.  Dude's got scary eyes.  Fanatical even.

371 Fuck this I am just doing pop day time TV and late night comedy shows from now on. You guys want a press conference you can kiss my ass.

372 Pat Caddell is a trained killer. When he talks revolution, he means ear necklaces all around.

373

@381

He chose unique terminology! The American Revolution was an election process where they served Tea and Crumpets....No Really....It's in the History Books.

374 Talk to three people tomorrow and say, "my sister works for the USDA and got an 8% raise, but her husband works for Holmes pipe-fitters and got asked to take an 8% paycut because of the drilling ban"..... people will do the math. Posted by: sven10077 at August 05, 2010 10:51 PM (kq1lG) Yep. It's the "profits and earnings ratios" like I told them. Now let me lecture you folks some more on economic and financial policy, even though I can't even understand arithmetic with fractions. I'm going to explain to you how your premiums are going to be reduced by 3000%.

375 WOLVERINE CHAD PUNCHERZ!  lines are open.

376 Did Caddell mention that John has a long mustache?

377

When they run out of ammunition, they'll be torn liimb from limb. It happened to the Germans on the Eatern front.

Yeah, or maybe they drive away in their amrored vehical and go get something to eat.

You right it's not going to happen. That's what I've been saying. It's crazy to even think about it.

378

I'm looking forward to November, too, but this revolution has a couple of fronts - the media, the schools/colleges, the courts, the nonprofit groups and foundations, the arts.  

379

@384: " Pat Caddell is a trained killer. When he talks revolution, he means ear necklaces all around."

Iiiiii...iiiiii.....iiiiit's Pat Caddell! He's killed more people than smallpox!

380

364  But your old semi auto hunting rifle isn't exactly up to the same calibre as Ma Duece (and that's hardly a standard issue force multiplier).  An armed revolt or secession (especially secession) could really go badly -- if you don't have the military behind you, then you lose.  Simple as that.

Fortunately your opponents have been very...short and tunnel visioned...concerning the same.  So there's that.

Si vis pacem...go out and vote and encourage others to vote; we are in for an interesting end to this year I think.  We'll find out soon enough.  Hopefully things stablize.

381 388- thread winner

382

News Flash for 2 Nov 2010!

33 Chickens dissappeared from the Rocky Road Farms tonight. Its assumed the theft was racial as the owner of the farm is a proud  afro-American.

Meanwhile the Fire Department was called for smoke sighted from a neighbors backyard only to find a chicken bar be que event for the New Black Panthers Assault seminar.

The events are not related.

In the polls the final exit poll indicated that the DNC won all elections in all states finally setteling the racial question

383 If you want to stock up on something, make it puddin'!   You're going to need a hell of a lot of it in November!

384 It's time to start nominating candidates, holding elections, then disemboweling the losers.

385

392  Ugh "standard issue force multiplier" should read "that's just  standard issue, not a force multiplier".

You armed revolt guys are fighting a conflict that's at least a generation or two too old.  Passion? Reason?  Think about it for a bit? 

386 Reason is for the weak.

387 Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 05, 2010 10:55 PM (Wh0W+)

My hash still sucks.

388 You don't talk to Pat Caddell, you listen to him, man.

389 Pat Caddell told me there could be an entire, tiny universe in my thumbnail.

390 Pat Caddell believes in 3 things : murder, revolution and Basil Marceaux.

391 And rape. Sweet, sexy rape.

392 366 There won't be a business boom until there's a bona fide friendly in the WH again (regardless of how toothless O's presidency becomes).

Posted by: lauraw at August 05, 2010 10:41 PM (DbybK)

This.

393 Christine Romer is quitting.

http://tinyurl.com/29euht5

394 400 Toby,

Pat has given his forecast for the mules this fall...."future is cloudy with a 99% chance of pain"

395 @405 Who knew they taught money stuff at Moonbat U ?

396 Did Caddell mention that John has a long mustache?

Posted by: gebrauchshund at August 05, 2010 10:55 PM (ADeN1)

The long sobs of the violin wounds my heart with a monotonous langour.

The coded messages to the French Underground in Overlord are still really inspiring.

I'm going to put on Band of Brothers toute de suite.

397 And after that The Longest Day.

Geting busy.

398 405 Christine Romer is quitting.

http://tinyurl.com/29euht5

Posted by: Tami at August 05, 2010 11:13 PM (VuLos)

Animosity in the White House. I love it. Hope we see more of it.

“She has been frustrated. She doesn’t feel that she has a direct line to the president. She would be giving different advice than Larry Summers [director of the National Economic Council], who does have a direct line to the president. She is ostensibly the chief economic adviser, but she doesn’t seem to be playing that role."

399 please... I need more pat caddell. Please. MORE PAT CADDELL!!!

400 I killed six German sons-a-bitches armed with only a knife and my teeth. 1992. World Cup Semi-Finals. Google it, bitch. Made all the papers.

401 There are two kinds of men in the world: Men with guns, and men who get down on their knees and suck me off. Do you have a gun? No? Me neither. Whew! I guess we're both safe! Nah I'm just fucking with you. I *do* have a gun. Now suck my cock.

402 I came to be interviewed, kick ass, and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

403 Eliteness is in the mind of the beholder.

I don't see anything particularly impressive about caviare communists and Mercedes marxists.  When I encounter such a person I have to resist the strong urge to shoot them.

The people who I hold in high esteem, who I consider to be elite human beings, are individuals who have achieved greatness in life in the face of adversity.  But even then I don't consider them fit to RULE other people.  This is supposed to be a nation of laws after all.

404 Google it, bitch. Made all the papers. Ze Germans play cricket ? Who knew ?

405 I've only got two speeds: Full-Tilt and Balls-Out. Balls-Out is ten percent faster. But they're both fuckin' fast.

406

My goatee is bloodied, the revolution has started!

 

407 When Pat Caddell makes love to a woman, Pat Caddell wants her to know she's been with a *man.* That she's been dominated. That she's been made a whore. That's what every woman secretly wants. That, and shoes. Shoes I don't have. But the other thing? *Covered.*

408 Does anarchy precede chaos? Where's Kratos when you need him?

409

Posted by: Pat Caddell's bloody nose at August 05, 2010 11:35 PM (IRwVS)

This is only marginally funny if you have seen the clip of him with a bloody nose, running into his goatee from 4 or 5 years ago.

410 all right I started a Pat Caddell: American Badass thread.

411

I'm gonna come down to your studio and I'm gonna do your interview.  But first, you will blow me.

412

In '94 it was Peter Jennings who chastised us for the
Pub tsunami........"America had a HISSY-FIT".  This
elitist put-down galled me.  The MSM tried to "explain"
to us that this anger at Dems was irrational and capri-
cious.  I want to see a double-barrel 12 ga. double 0
buck salvo hitting the Dems  and their press sycophants
in the genitals this November.  Hissy-fit......my ass.

 

 

 

413

What the fuck is Pat?

Really cuz I'm going babe on the format.

414

Really cuz I'm going babe on the format.

Posted by: ErikW at August 06, 2010 12:02 AM (RbHkS)

Yeah, I don't know what that means either.

415 Your turn, Ace.

416 You start where you start, you pick out an area and get to work.

Posted by: ace at August 05, 2010 09:47 PM (KUUXH)

Meh.

Ace is correct. 

That's about it.

Put on your gloves, or not.  

Rotor-Rooter guy to the newb, asking about a dinner break, on a roof in the dark of night, "Naw, you'll know we're done good when you get that puff, past your face.  That's how you tell. That's the smell of money.  Gonna smell like rotten eggs!"

It is what it is.

417 Man surw is some funny shit. This should be an all comedy site. I mean if you want headlines there is always HA. I am a firm believer in not repeating oneself, dilutes.. However, the whole point of "bringing it up" is to get articles like this written. What? ....U think badassusa caddell goes around the streets to "get the pulse". You think this not cause of de interwebs? Dur? Or did I miss the rev*lution poll?
Obviously, saying things outloud is self disqualifying. This is trivial and those who would, know that. Always a catch360. But here we get some legs.. An article that might give some more pause to the onslaughters (btw next 5 months are tenuous)... and whoa... No let's qualify this in every way possible so as to remove any mystery or multipicative threat assessment (WH should be easy to overwhelm as they have to polltest every issue response or whatever they do). Someone is slow on uptake, or long on bitching, or weak on banning, or doesn't understand enemy, if words mean anything any more. Aoshq is no democracy last I checked. Same gripe for weeks now. How's about some action lest it become boshq (things gonna get worse befor they get better) and it's not like an epidemic or whatever. Ban the miscrients for a day or something just to retain the semblance of cojpnws. /sarc off

posters should say their piece and move on, imo. The constant drumbeat is, again, dilutory, and has to make operation of this thing awful tedious. It's one thing for someone, anyone, to state their observations/opinions, but blogs are free. Something tells me u can pretty much say anything here, at least once; that's good thing ( could u imagine a day u could say stuff on internets but not in public?). To overfill the trough is wasteful and does npt do service to others. quality not quantity. Focus. By the scoreboard we still have ground to gain. If anything the goal should be to bring opposing views here to be enlightened; the rest is cheerleading. PS: you have to respect that rather than ban people he confronts them face2face, so to speak.

418 Hold me in your big strong arms. ...but first, you will blow me.

419 Vic,

for the Wizard's Rules quotes. I'm struggling through 'The Pillars of Creation' right now. It's tough when they have a storyline progressing through 6 books and now decide to take the 1st 300 pages of a book to ignore that storyline and add new bit characters.

It picks back up with the main characters in the new book but continues slow right up to the last book. 

420 Should be next book.

421 So totally still gonna go for Vic's porch out east...

A worthy destination, on it's own, but I bet he knows how to make shit!

No doubt, I could pick up some young machinists along the way...

422 So totally still gonna go for Vic's porch out east...

A worthy destination, on it's own, but I bet he knows how to make shit!

No doubt, I could pick up some young machinists along the way...

Vic's porch has been a little hot lately.  But all it takes to make shit is to eat

423

I think Ace doesn't understand how revolutions occur. Most are spontaneous, some succeed, most are put down. The American Revolution wasn't planned, of course you did have agitators, and IIRC wasn't even supported by the majority at the outset. Some revolutions don't even involve much shooting.

Perhaps I'm wrong but given the current trajectory, the utter loathing that the liberal class has for common American citizens ("teabaggers" etc), the repeated abuse of the Constitution, the high living lifestyle of government officials while many are begging for work and other things, it seems like given the right circumstances a revolution could occur.

Perhaps the Republicans don't take back Congress. Instances of voter fraud are found and Holder says he won't investigate. The TEA Party or some other group holds a mass rally in D.C., some liberal agitators infiltrate and try to make it seem like they are crazy racists, fights break out. The Mall police fire tear gas to disperse the crowd. People get trampled, turn and charge the police and somebody gets shot and killed.

The next few days DC is under martial law, the National Guard called out, rally organizers arrested. Somebody interviews Holder who still says he won't investigate the voter fraud, "because I'm more worried about right-wing militia". Despite that a new rally is called in which 3 million people show up...

424 Dear bitches, Whining about futility is not a strategy. It's what the left wants to hear from you right now. You need to quit with the libertarian rise above it shit. Maybe you WILL go down. Maybe this is it. But go down SWINGING next to your brothers and do it WITHOUT REGRET IN YOUR HEART. Show up and give your best and then face tomorrow when IT GETS HERE. Maybe the GOP will screw us again. Maybe we'll fail to take the House. I dunno. But don't sit here whining. Don't trade your new car for an old bicycle and accept that you are already a serf chained back to the land and that America is over. Look the mother-fuckers right in the eye and make them PROVE to you that it's over with more than words. Burn them up with your goddamned glare and keep marching. Make THEM feel two years of dread and regret and doubt for a change.

425 I got good and tired tired of the Goodkind stuff in the 2nd or third book with all the dominatrix crap. That was a real turn off. I'm enjoying reading through Glen Cook, Steve Brust(wow, that divorce must have been rough) and to a somewhat lesser extent Erickson(and Esselmont) though. I'm holding off on Dust of Dreams until the next book comes out. I hate cliffhangers. It'd be really nice if ol' George RR Martin could take a few minutes and fart out a new volume of his Ice and Fire series too. Yup.

426

Do you see one interruption by McCallum that moved this interview forward?

There isn't one.

427

Excellent analysis.  We are actually "revolutionary mad" but being a polite people we'll give it one or two election cycles.

428

"Pre-Revolutionary"... we now know OUR enemy is within!

I can say without a doubt...in all of my 52 years I have never feared for my country. Even after 9/11 I knew that the USA would prevail. I knew who the enemy was. Now...I am terrified that the USA is under attack...only this time it is from within.

My new enemy is the idealism of the precious few. who have strategically moved into postions of power. They use strategically planed news clips delivered by their minion news organizations to move their agenda. The problem is their agenda and the released clips to explain simply do not make sense, and in fact they are irrational! They are in direct opposition to what I know to be true. So, one can only surmise; there is a plan to destroy the constitution of the USA! Our President has done nothing to instill or garner trust in his actions & agenda...in fact he is put off to even have to answer to his constitutients...he insults us...and even shows his disgust to our values!! The trust of his constituients is a valuable ally that he has deemed unnecessary...his dismissal of the need for our trust is a behavior of one who believes more in himself than those he represents. The question is whom does he represent!

So...I do not consider my self to be "Pre-Revolutionary"... I consider we are at WAR!

429

Revolution is already in progress. We were caught off guard with socialism. Now we accept that we are under it, with Obama & Liberal Dems. We are enraged, and are going to banish socialism from America. It is incompatible with The Constitution!

PS: why is Obama building a GM factory in Mexico? any connection with his refusal to enforce our "Fed Immigration Law?" Is he trying to join U.S. with Mexico, into One Country? Hmm....

430

I think Pat is right on the mark.

"The Revolution was effected before the War commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments of their duties and obligations. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people, was the real American Revolution."  John Adams.

431

Pat, out of your mouth to God's ears.

Are we heading for a November election bloodbath?  Dear me, I hope that we are.  I hope that the screaming from the electorate is heard across America from sea to shining sea.  I hope that they sweat bullets and have explosive diarrhea, and stand there holding their proverbial whatzit in thier hands, wondering what the license plate number is of the buss that just drove over them.

I'm so damned tired of being told that I'm stupid, that I don't understand and that my betters know better.  I'm tired of the wholesale selling out of our basic principles, something that got us through over 200 years of sucess as a country, and now is being considered antiquated and negative in order to replace it with a failed socialistic utopian bullshit fantasy of nothingness.  I'm rtired of being ignored, ridiculed and disregarded, disrespected...  I'm tired of people of like mind spending more time trying to figure out what idiot is going to win American Idol, and so little time taking a stand for not only what's right, but what works.

I'm ready for a rumble.  I'm ready to stand there and scream on the steps of the Capital that these folks don't own our country and they certainly don't get to do whatever the hell that they want to WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.  And I'm ready to be the last woman standing there with a picket sign because I'm not going to go quietly.  I'm not going to stand down because of intimidation tactics.  I don't care who they parade, or what they promise, they're all a bunch of liars, lacking character and honor.

As a female, ace, I'm not thinking Godfather, I'm thinking Joan of Arc and a flaming sword.  And I'm an agnostic, go figure.

Cadell is right when he says that this isn't goign to go away with better numbers.  This is bigger than the economy, bigger than situational politics.  This isn't fad or fashion.  What is happening is a sea change of long term involvement in politics and he can smell it in the wind and feels it in his gut.  And he's right.  I'm ready for November, and I'm ready for November 2012 and beyond.

A whole bunch of America has gotten off the couch, and I don't think that they're going to plop their fat asses back down on it anytime in the next few years.   There is just too much at stake.

Bring it.

432 OMG, soooo much whining! I don't know about anybody else, but me I'm itching for a good fight. Years, nay decades, of this nonsense creeping up on the American public has brought me to a slow and steady boil. Am I stressed? He'll yes! Everyday I find myself answerable to my government; there seems to be not one single facet of my life into which the corrupt hand of fat cat beaurcrats has not dipped. We are being enslaved by constant and incessant legislation. Back off! Me, I've had enough and if I'm to go down I'll go down swinging.

433 Why all the hysteria?  I guess we will find out in November if there is really some kind of tsunami brewing against the Democrats and the Obama administration, but I'm not seeing anything that different from midterm elections in prior administrations.  Reagan's popularity at this point in his presidency was actually lower than Obama's.  Reagan had about a 42% favorability rating at this point, and sank to a low of 35% before the economy finally started improving and he moved up.  Obama is currently at about 45%.  Bill Clinton also faced a very strong backlash in the 1992 midterms, losing control of both houses of Congress.  This year, the Democrats may actually hold on to both houses.   I hate to break the news to the people commenting here, but I believe the majority of the country supports the concept that everyone should have access to affordable health insurance.  Most people did not want General Motors to be forced into liquidation.  Nobody is happy that we had to bail out the banks, but nobody wanted our financial system to collapse either.  People want the roads and bridges and schools that the stimulus spending is bringing us, and people do not want their states to go broke.  There is nothing this administration has done that justifies all this hysteria and revolutionary talk.  If you don't like some policies, fine, elect different members of Congress and go in a different direction.  (I would point out though that we tried that direction for a very long time, and it got us to the brink of financial disaster, which we are still recovering from.)  But stop all this irresponsible talk about revolution.  We live in a democracy and the people are still sovereign.  Consider the possibility that what the commenters here are unhappy about is simply that the representatives that we elected are doing things which some people do not agree with.  That is always true, however, in every administration in history.   

434 Wow. You're really full of shit Joe. See you in November.

435 Their media Cartels swished them into power from the lawns of the 1960's  sit in campus's......They are the "Progressives", they disrupted traditional teachings then, the same as they are usurping truth now!!!! The "Democrat" party is the one they chose to take over with the most success, although they have many closeted friends in the republican party also!!! They haven't changed any natural laws, you still have to eat, drink, shelter and nurture yourselves, which is a chore in itself, they have presented themselves as the chosen ones who can lessen that burden upon yourself, by handing that burden to them!!! PROBLEM IS, now that you have hired them, they also become your burden along with all your natural burdens you tried to pass responsibility of, to them!!! On a Daily basis, they will require more money and power,it's a hard job, being god, Lords of the land!!

436     The scary part of  all this is,,,,if the Republicans get control of  Congress, do we have any guarantee they will be any better than the Democrats? If the Republicans get into power and diss the people, that has to tell us "We the People" no longer have control of our government. that's when the revolt starts. By revolt, I mean we all should just sit on our asses and watch time go by. What would those in power do if we quit playing their game?

437 I will quote what my husband said about the headline "F*&%kin A."

438

Most baby boomers still got a pretty good dose of patriotism as youngsters.  Most baby boomers got a still pretty good education in the history of America when they were youngsters.  Guess who one of the biggest demographics is today?

They may have been mesmerized temporarially by the evil ones, but they havent forgot their beginnings completely.

If this all plays out like I hope, the evil ones will be completely exposed.  The American traitors over the last 50 years and  the ones behind the assassinations of sixties;  and they will finally be delt with in the manner they deserve.

439 Lets cut the crap!  Marxist/Socialist finally came out from behind the curtain and did a full frontal commandeering of the Democrat Party to the tune of "Yes We Can" and DID!  They are doing what the set out to do...bring the U.S.A crashing.  And they're close.  Even if they are ousted in 2010 and 2012 its gonna be loooooong uphill battle to get this country back pre LBJ.  I'm 56 and I don't think I will see it in my lifetime. 

440 8 vacations count them 8 we hope to take 1 day vacation 8 vacations count them 8 We teach our children to lead by example, not from arrogance 8 vacations count them 8 we teach our children to exhibit self reliant values and to live without burdening others 8 vacations count them 8 Leading by example means contemplating the reaction to your actions not just the personal benefit you gain. 8 vacations count them 8 we teach our children to demand nothing of others that you would not do yourself. 8 vacations count them 8 they care for themselves out of insecurity and arrogance, not the american public 8 vacations count them 8 perception is reality, especially when you are critical and set yourself on a pedestal. He is not a leader. She is selfish. God help their children.

441

just a little reminder - this started the day after he was sworn in...

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release January 21, 2009

EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 - - - - - - -

PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered as follows: Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order:

(a) "Archivist" refers to the Archivist of the United States or his designee. (b) "NARA" refers to the National Archives and Records Administration.

(c) "Presidential Records Act" refers to the Presidential Records Act, 44 U.S.C. 2201-2207.

(d) "NARA regulations" refers to the NARA regulations implementing the Presidential Records Act, 36 C.F.R. Part 1270.

(e) "Presidential records" refers to those documentary materials maintained by NARA pursuant to the Presidential Records Act, including Vice Presidential records.

(f) "Former President" refers to the former President during whose term or terms of office particular Presidential records were created.

(g) A "substantial question of executive privilege" exists if NARA's disclosure of Presidential records might impair national security (including the conduct of foreign relations), law enforcement, or the deliberative processes of the executive branch.

(h) A "final court order" is a court order from which no appeal may be taken.

Sec. 2. Notice of Intent to Disclose Presidential Records. (a) When the Archivist provides notice to the incumbent and former Presidents of his intent to disclose Presidential records pursuant to section 1270.46 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist, using any guidelines provided by the incumbent and former Presidents, shall identify any specific materials, the disclosure of which he believes may raise a substantial question of executive privilege. However, nothing in this order is intended to affect the right of the incumbent or former Presidents to invoke executive privilege with respect to materials not identified by the Archivist. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative. (b) Upon the passage of 30 days after receipt by the incumbent and former Presidents of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Archivist may disclose the records covered by the notice, unless during that time period the Archivist has received a claim of executive privilege by the incumbent or former President or the Archivist has been instructed by the incumbent President or his designee to extend the time period for a time certain and with reason for the extension of time provided in the notice. If a shorter period of time is required under the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations, the Archivist shall so indicate in the notice.

Sec. 3. Claim of Executive Privilege by Incumbent President. (a) Upon receipt of a notice of intent to disclose Presidential records, the Attorney General (directly or through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel) and the Counsel to the President shall review as they deem appropriate the records covered by the notice and consult with each other, the Archivist, and such other executive agencies as they deem appropriate concerning whether invocation of executive privilege is justified.

(b) The Attorney General and the Counsel to the President, in the exercise of their discretion and after appropriate review and consultation under subsection (a) of this section, may jointly determine that invocation of executive privilege is not justified. The Archivist shall be notified promptly of any such determination.

(c) If either the Attorney General or the Counsel to the President believes that the circumstances justify invocation of executive privilege, the issue shall be presented to the President by the Counsel to the President and the Attorney General.

(d) If the President decides to invoke executive privilege, the Counsel to the President shall notify the former President, the Archivist, and the Attorney General in writing of the claim of privilege and the specific Presidential records to which it relates. After receiving such notice, the Archivist shall not disclose the privileged records unless directed to do so by an incumbent President or by a final court order.

Sec. 4. Claim of Executive Privilege by Former President. (a) Upon receipt of a claim of executive privilege by a living former President, the Archivist shall consult with the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel), the Counsel to the President, and such other executive agencies as the Archivist deems appropriate concerning the Archivist's determination as to whether to honor the former President's claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege. Any determination under section 3 of this order that executive privilege shall not be invoked by the incumbent President shall not prejudice the Archivist's determination with respect to the former President's claim of privilege.

(b) In making the determination referred to in subsection (a) of this section, the Archivist shall abide by any instructions given him by the incumbent President or his designee unless otherwise directed by a final court order. The Archivist shall notify the incumbent and former Presidents of his determination at least 30 days prior to disclosure of the Presidential records, unless a shorter time period is required in the circumstances set forth in section 1270.44 of the NARA regulations. Copies of the notice for the incumbent President shall be delivered to the President (through the Counsel to the President) and the Attorney General (through the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel). The copy of the notice for the former President shall be delivered to the former President or his designated representative.

Sec. 5. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:

(i) authority granted by law to a department or agency, or the head thereof; or (ii) functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budget, administrative, or legislative proposals.

(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations. (c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.

Sec. 6. Revocation. Executive Order 13233 of November 1, 2001, is revoked.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE, January 21, 2009.

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