1 After they unload the ships, they need to sink them.

2 On this Memorial Day, remember the heroes of the U.S.S. Liberty.

3 What is the over/under on Obama crapping on Israel for this now?

4

The Israelis screwed up. They should have launched torpedos and cruise missiles instead.

Uhbama condems in 5... 4... 3...

5 BTW, from what I hear there were no 'food" supplies.

6 Israelis: Doing the jobs Obama won't let Americans do.

7 So pointless....

8 Behold the power of information. Nice job, IDF. A video of the "aid" cargo would be nice icing on this cake.

9 Tomorrow when incompetent odumbass returns to DC his plate will certainly be full maybe the mofo will just resign because he is not deserving of being President of the USA!

10 Greg Pollowitz via Twitter: I don't yet know all the facts of what happened off Gaza, but let me be clear: Israel acted stupidly.

11 Gabriel, thanks for the Video. I'd swear by the MFM News commentary, that Israeli's were harming innocent peaceful humanitarian advocates!

12 Israel acted stupidly in 4..3..2..1

I feel so sorry for the soldiers.  Way back in line, I feel sorry for anyone who genuinely thinks they were on a mission to help Gazans.

13 There he is! That really black black figure! That's Cheney! I knew it!

14 It looks like the troll community is out in force at HA.  Their argument, such as it is, seems to be that the Israelis conducted a surprise, unprovoked attack on a group of seaborne shepherds tending their flocks. 

Stand by for a statement from BO condemning the cycle of violence perpetrated by those nasty Hebes Israelis. 

15 This PR stunt by the Palis and their serpent pals will backfire because the old news outlets don't control the signal anymore.

16 14, I sure hope those trolls stay on topic.

17 Palestinians; never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

18 Man, those IDF dudes are some bad mother...

SHUT YO MOUTH!

I'm just talkin' 'bout the IDF!

19 The snark free place has a story showing the other side of the conflict. Happens to be contrary to the MFM reports.

20
Rachel Corrie has new neighbors.

_{(In "h", "e", double toothpicks)}

21 3 What is the over/under on Obama crapping on Israel for this now?

Vegas doesn't allow betting on a sure thing. 

Obama will say a variant of "The Israelis acted stupidly"

Bibi's going home to deal with this situation, and hopefully to kick some Persian ass!

22 "Peace activists" using guns.  I am finding it increasing hard to support Israel when they fail execute these creeps. 

23 No more paint ball guns and maybe those wads will think twice about this kind of crap move. And by wads I mean human shields and their ilk.

24 What and who were on those boats? Candy? Milk? Baby food? Rockets? AK-47s? Cheetos?

25 "Obama administration concerned about Gaza incident"
I wonder what the time line on this is?  Ben N. canceled to "attend to things at home">>after the WH released the statement?

26 stevo ,thanks for that site.

27 O/T:  wow watching Fox, McCain has this "i'll pretend to be a conservative thing while running for office and then go back to being a conservative democrat" down pat.....wonder if the Arizona voters will realize this or are they still intoxicated by teh power of a long running senator.

28 But the IDF reportedly used the "N word" several times, and were spitting.  Racists ... let my people go ...

29 Bibi, cancelled his appt. with Obama  for tommorrow.re Foxnews.

30 How much weaponry and ammo do you think are on those boats?

31

What is the liberal impulse to deny Israelis the right to defend themselves under any circumstances whatsoever?

BTW if any of the IDF guys want to come to America to be Border Patrol I'll pay for their flight over here.

32 I suspect this is the end of 60 years of relative peace.

33 25, Poo.

34

30 Bibi, cancelled his appt. with Obama  for tommorrow.re Foxnews.

 

Good.  He can't afford to waste his time with Teh Zero.

35 Maybe Israel will finally understand the corner it is being pushed into?

This is why Israel should not have given even an inch to demands from the Indonesian Imbecile.  If he demanded that Israel stop building in Jerusalem, Israel should have ramped up building in Jerusalem, and started tearing down every single illegal, or near-illegal arab house there.  If the US complained, Israel should have quadrupled efforts.

There is no way out of this for Israel.  It's all or nothing, now, as the US has joined the arabs and the Europeans in trying to destroy the state.  That is the situation.

36 paint ball guns?

37 Israel did the right thing. And, as usual, when it does the right thing, it will be roundly and vociferously condemned by those who support terror against it. Israel needs to ratchet up the volume on all of its media outlets and talking heads. Show what really happened. And lets see the cargo. Lay it out on the dock, inventory it. See if any of it is ... I dunno ... questionable? I mean these are "peace activists" by golly ... wouldn't harm a fly, stab a soldier, grab a weapon and start firing ... or carry dangerous cargo that could be used as a weapon ... nah ... couldn't happen. Arab and Islamist governments *never* lie ... and Obami deeply cares for Israel /snark

38 Sometimes I wish that Isrsael one day just throws up their hands and says "Fine, you win. We won't be restrained, we won't hold up our end of the peace process. We'll become the cariacture you all claim we are. Happy now?"

39 Isn't Easy Bake getting into scuba gear to go down deep and plug that damn hole?

40 "25 Hardy har har!  Aren't you a little late for 1984? "A" attacks "B", but somehow or other, 0 "B" are killed, and at least 10 of "A" are killed." I'm sure they doctored the video of it just like they did the moon landing.

41 31 How much weaponry and ammo do you think are on those boats?

Posted by: BrianA

I suspect there will be no contraband on board because this was a premeditated act to show Israels unwarranted attack. The issue is peace-nic thugs trying to breaking a blockade.

42 Posted by: Gerry at May 31, 2010 12:08 PM (IrNVQ)

Translation: my lying eyes!

43 We should send those Pali's some Blankets.  

44 Hopefully Israel will glass the entire ME if they are set upon from all directions, with the exception of Iraq and Afghanistan of course. Then, there will be ME peace!

45 The grammar challenged one.

46 Israel should take out Syria. The rest will either go to war or shit their pants. If war, then take them out too. Later, we get a whole new list of prime vacation spots filled with survivors who will STFU forevermore.

47 47, That would be the smart move; no weapons. But, remember they are scorpions.

48

_{On this Memorial Day, remember the heroes of the U.S.S. Liberty.}

How about you go and fuck yourself.  Israel has saved countless tens of thousands of American lives since 1967. 

 How about we compare the pros and cons of our Israeli Allies and our Arab / Muslim ones?

Fuckin' Pali apologists...

49

"25 Hardy har har!  Aren't you a little late for 1984?

"A" attacks "B", but somehow or other, 0 "B" are killed, and at least 10 of "A" are killed."

That's what happens when "B" are trained soldiers and "A" are a bunch of idiotic, misguided do-gooders (and that is giving the benifit of the doubt).

50 Israel needs to ratchet up the volume on all of its media outlets and talking heads. Show what really happened.

Posted by: kranky at May 31, 2010 12:14 PM (80GjT)

You're correct, but this won't matter.  The game is set and Israel is the pre-ordained bad guy. 

This is why disengagement was such a stupid policy.  The world is spinning out of control and Israel needed to keep a cap on Fakestinians until somewhere else in the world blew up and the bigger conflagration got hot.

Europe and Washington are now looking to embargo Israel and the US, under the Indonesian Imbecile, even wants to try and implement a blockade, at some point.  The Precedent is going to push Israel until they have no choices left, but true fury or surrender and death.  Israel should have understood this scenario long before Nov 4th, 2008, as it was all easily predictable.

This is why I've been saying that the US and Europe are going to go absolutely apeshit when Israel hits Iran (even though the US and Europe are forcing Israel to take care of Iran).  This is the biggest setup in world history and will be one of the ugliest.

We'll see how much Israelis will stick to their "never again" claims.  They haven't shown any seriousness about that, up until now, but this is the endgame happening.

51


Ehud Barak came out and said that of the six ships only one the 'Mavi Marmara' seemed to harbor extremists bent on violent confrontation with the IDF. The other five ships and its occupants cooperated fully. How much you want to bet the Mavi Marmara had weapons on it for Hamas and the other five ships were decoys?

Doug Ross over @ Journal has a good write up on it too including a brutal video of an extremist stabbing an IDF soldier up close.

52 Just as soon as I'm done with my vacation, I'll be firing off a very sternly worded letter to those Israeli warmongers.

53 Very clever no win situation they put Israel in.  The video that Israel made, despite the fact that they show the justification of force (or because of it), will receive little airplay around the world.

Only if Iran changes from a theocracy to a democracy will there be peace.  As long as Iran supports Hamas and the Taliban there will never be peace in teh ME>

54 Driving back from a weekend holiday I listened to the news and they conveniently left out a few 'details' and made it sound as if the Israeli's were unprovoked.

55 I was wondering why I woke up in the middle of the night with a craving for pancakes....

56

More than weapons are contraband.

You can't give these guys a fucking thing without them trying to use it to kill the evil juice.

57

So the camel fuckers deliberately run a blockade so they get boarded by IDF.  Once IDF gets on board they attempt to kill them.  IDF defends itself.  And now Israel is the bad guy?

58 O/t:  Went looking for a press release on Biden's speech this morning and ran across this:  (amazing what they choose to comment on):  "The White House is pleased to learn of President Bingu wa Mutharika's pardon of Tiwonge Chimbalanga and Steven Monjeza. These individuals were not criminals and their struggle is not unique. We must all recommit ourselves to ending the persecution and criminalization of sexual orientation and gender identity. We hope that President Mutharika's pardon marks the beginning of a new dialogue which reflects the country's history of tolerance and a new day for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender rights in Malawi and around the globe."

59 My waffles taste funny. This maple syrup smell like a gas station.

60 I have it on good authority that those Israeli ships were captained by Rand Paul-supporting Birchers.  Maybe creationists as well.

61 @garrett, well said.  I am waiting for the pictures of all of the killed.  What's the over/under, on how many children, and old people will have been victims.  I only wish that one of the victims would be Cindy McKinney

62 I've seen tarballs wash up almost all my life on the Gulf Coast, the fucking problem fuckhead should be confronting is all that black juice about to wash up on shore!

63 The worst part of this whole thing is it shows how far down the Muzzie toilet bowl Turkey is headed. Is Turkey still our ally? They seem headed towards Syria/Iran territory.

The Turks I've known have been cool -- but they are wussified secular Istanbul types, and those types aren't running Turkey anymore.

Turkey is going to be our enemy soon. We should start preparing now. At best we'll be able to buy their elites off like Egypt and the Saudis -- but the Turkish people are sprinting to the jihadi exit door.

The whole Ataturk secular revolution is being overthrown. The muzzies even claim Ataturk was a secret Jew and his revolution was an anti-islamic plot. Crazy conspiracy, but an effective way to destroy Turkish support for their founder-hero.

Turkey is dangerous.

64 Israel is so fucked (by us, apparently):

US backs resolution to disarm Israel
America is reaching out to Hamas

65

srsly, thanks Ace for having this site. and the sites given by fellow chattesr, DirectorBlue, Doug Ross journal an awesome find.

could not sleep last night knowing and hearing how this was being spun by MFM. thanks guys for being here.

66
I was wondering why I woke up in the middle of the night with a craving for pancakes....

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 31, 2010 12:24 PM (G9PIC)

You too?

67
They should have just stuck a little limpet mine on that thing and scuttled it with a slow leak.  Let the terrorists on board take a little bath.

68

Turkey is dangerous.

Any Muslim state is dangerous.  Period. 

It is merely a matter of time before Humanity needs to confront Islam, again. Islam is intolerance.  We can't ignore this fact for much longer.

 

69

Turkey is dangerous.

 

 

I once ate too much, then fell asleep while driving!

70 The whole Ataturk secular revolution is being overthrown. The muzzies even claim Ataturk was a secret Jew and his revolution was an anti-islamic plot. Crazy conspiracy, but an effective way to destroy Turkish support for their founder-hero.

Turkey is dangerous.

Posted by: huh at May 31, 2010 12:29 PM (+ABdJ)

Yep.  And one of the main reasons that Turkey is in such a terrible spot is because the EU demanded that Turkey change its Constitution to take supreme power away from the secular military (who used to be charged with keeping the islamists out of power).  The EU demanded that Turkey abandon this structure of having the military as the supreme governmental power in order for Turkey to be even considered for EU membership - which was a joke since the EU never intended on admitting Turkey, anyway.  I agree with the EU in refusing to accept Turkey, but their desire to muck around with the govenrmental structure of Turkey in the process (just for laughs, I think) shows, once again, what imbecilic dipshits the Europeans are.

That Constitutional change was forced around 2003 and Turkey has been slipping into the islamists' hands ever since.  Now, Turkey is very clearly on the other side.  Thanks Europe.  Another monumental screw-up that you guys have brought to the world ... even as the EU, itself, is dying a pathetic death.  Typical Europe.  Yep ...

71

Dear Barry,

Fuck You, we don't negotiate with terrorists.


Love, Bibi

72

What, do helicopters not come with .50 cals anymore?

73 That's right, we apologize to them.

74 Looks like I'll be stocking up on goods from Arizona and Israel now.  Anyone got a recipe for gefilte fish chili?

75 You're correct, but this won't matter. The game is set and Israel is the pre-ordained bad guy. Yes. I agree. The point is to get it in the record for future historians to see. Because of what is coming next. Israel is guilty when she defends herself, guilty when she doesn't. It is way past time to make the crimes fit the punishment. This is why disengagement was such a stupid policy. The world is spinning out of control and Israel needed to keep a cap on Fakestinians until somewhere else in the world blew up and the bigger conflagration got hot. I disagree. In fact, given the 'palis' propensity to fuck up a good thing, you know it was only a matter of time before they fucked this up. Cast lead was a good thing, but not prepared and handled in a media saavy manner. I argue that disengagement is exactly the right tactic to take, as it makes the case that 'palis' cannot be trusted to build their own state, and that Israeli concessions are not important to peace. Once these points are made, and that there is a hostile state lobbing rockets right next to you, on land you quit to provide concessions for peace and confidence building maneuvers, it gets real easy to say "no" to any future concessions and confidence building maneuvers. But we shouldn't be interdicting ships. Let them come in, let the terror state do what it wants, and if they keep lobbing rockets, destroy them, with extreme prejudice, and absolutely no mercy. Europe and Washington are now looking to embargo Israel and the US, under the Indonesian Imbecile, even wants to try and implement a blockade, at some point. The Precedent is going I agree, and I expect Turkey to use its NATO membership to some effect here. to push Israel until they have no choices left, but true fury or surrender and death. Israel Israel has no choice but to defend itself. If this defense pisses off others, so be it. But defend itself it must, and explain itself it should, loudly, frequently, and without apology. should have understood this scenario long before Nov 4th, 2008, as it was all easily predictable. Yeah. It was predictable. Obami has caused more damage to US allies than Carter. He has grabbed the brass ring of worst president ever, and is trying to dig some new lows here. I don't expect a blocking of the inevitable UNSC condemnation. This is why I've been saying that the US and Europe are going to go absolutely apeshit when Israel hits Iran (even though the US and Europe are forcing Israel to take care of Iran). This is the biggest setup in world history and will be one of the ugliest. Plausible deniability. Brought to you by an imbecile and his cohorts. What me worry? We'll see how much Israelis will stick to their "never again" claims. They haven't shown any seriousness about that, up until now, but this is the endgame happening. Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 31, 2010 12:22 PM (Qp4DT) The've been telegraphing the manuever long enough. No one should be surprised when it happens. I believe it to be inevitable. Gazastan aka Hamastan is a lost cause. We should simply interdict all land based routes. If they want to build an airport and a seaport, let them. If they want to import weapons, let them. If they lob a single scrap of paper over the fence, never mind an offensive weapon, we should destroy them. Completely, and utterly. There are no innocents in Gaza.

76 Apparently, 5 of the 6 boats were humanitarian.  It was the sixth that was heavily armed and ready for conflict and they got what they wanted.

77

About this whole "international waters" bit that the activists are bleating about, it doesn't make a difference where the ships were seized.

It makes a HUGE difference whose flag the ships were flying.

If they were American ships, then their seizure would be of the general nature of this thing called a "Causus Belli".

 

78
Apparently, 5 of the 6 boats were humanitarian.  It was the sixth that was heavily armed and ready for conflict and they got what they wanted.

Posted by: AmishDude at May 31, 2010 12:40 PM (T0NGe)

Which makes you wonder. Were the other five decoy ships or did the Mavi Mamara interject itself into the convoy to take advantage of the confusion ? I'll bet that ship was loaded down with rockets and weapons for Hamas. However, the Palis and the MFM will just say the IDF planted them there.

79
I'd give the boat back loaded with listening and tracking devices and include a failsafe device to enable scuttling of the ship when necessary.

Is that doable, Cmdr?   From a technical standpoint, I mean.  Maybe weld something somewhere?    The bad guys are pretty paranoid, seems like they'd find it eventually if not well hidden.

80

Any Muslim state is dangerous.  Period. 

It is merely a matter of time before Humanity needs to confront Islam, again. Islam is intolerance.  We can't ignore this fact for much longer.

 Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2010 12:35 PM (HPsbD)

Yep.  Ataturk, who loved islam, understood that islam was, at its core, a political ideology that would take over any nation that allowed it.  It's funny that a devoted muslim like Ataturk understood the threat that islam poses to any modern society and structured his nation to always be on its toes against this natural encroachment that islam would attempt, but modern liberals would call Ataturk anti-islamic and a bigot. 

Whenever I speak about islam with brain-dead lefties, I always bring up Turkey (though they usually bring it up first, as their example of how an Islamic nation can have self-rule and remain a non-threat - LOL) and I explain to them what amazing restrictions Ataturk knew had to be put on islam in order for the nation to live.  Needless to say, lefties never seem to know jack shit about Turkey or Ataturk.

But, I love when they refer to Turkey as the best example of muslim self-rule and then I explain to them that the Turkish military is the ultimate power, charged with dissolving any governments that are too islamic ... though that power is now gone (thanks to the EU).

Lefties are a cancer that will kill any society unlucky enough to have them and not keeping them in their sandboxes, where they can't hurt anyone.

81 All out war is coming.

82


Its a crying shame Cynthia McKinney wasn't on that ship. That would have made my day.....hell my month.

83 Fox news guy talking to guy from Israel.  Fox news guy says:  "we were told there were three hexxbollah explosives experts on board, can you confirm that".....the transmition is bad, it's hard to understand Mr. Ehud Barak.

84 A Causus Belli is what you make of it.  Mostly, states do nothing, else every constabulary action at sea would bring a war.  Similar to the Freedom of the Seas.  States assert authority over parts of International waters all the time.  When your friends do it, you look the other way.

85

 There are no innocents in Gaza.

86 Haven't read every comment here, by Jimmy Bise seems to have more info and video:

http://tinyurl.com/2dpnnnb

87 They need better tactics. The video looks like a zombie movie. And now we learn the commandos got dropped into the muzzie swarm armed with paintball guns!

I don't know what the better tactics could be. Some non-lethal weapon that can clear an area of the boat of people so the commandos can drop down. Pain beams, sonic weapons, water hoses, something.

Personally I have no problem with them using lethal weapons to clear an entry zone, but it's bad PR, so they need a non-lethal something that can be deployed from the helo or a patrol ship that can clear space for the commandos to land.

Dropping into a swarm of wanna-be martyrs clearly didn't work.

88 93, No matter what the IDF did it would be used against them. Pain rays? Gas? Bacon bits? Same outcome: IDF bad, Palis good.

89

_{All out war is coming.}

I hope you are right. 

That is the one type of war Israel is prepared to win.

If you said and all out media war...then I'd be nervous.

90

Barak said that the aid could have been offloaded at a port outside of Gaza and that every attempt would be made to see that the humanitarian aid reached the Palestinians if that is indeed what it was. These fuckers wanted a confrontation with the IDF and they got it.

Just another Paliwood production is all this is.

91

Don't tase me, infidel.

92 Remember how Bibi recalled all the Israeli ambassadors home for a pow-wow months ago? Things are in motion now.

93

<sub>These fuckers wanted a confrontation with the IDF and they got it.

Just another Paliwood production is all this is.</sub>

I am surprised that they didn't find a Coleman-cooler full of dead babies for the women to hold above their heads, whilst wailing, for the purpose of being filmed.

94 Me. I woulda just sunk them all and said, "Next?"

95 The grammar challenged one.

???

96 I disagree. In fact, given the 'palis' propensity to fuck up a good thing, you know it was only a matter of time before they fucked this up.

Cast lead was a good thing, but not prepared and handled in a media saavy manner.

I argue that disengagement is exactly the right tactic to take, as it makes the case that 'palis' cannot be trusted to build their own state, and that Israeli concessions are not important to peace.

Once these points are made, and that there is a hostile state lobbing rockets right next to you, on land you quit to provide concessions for peace and confidence building maneuvers, it gets real easy to say "no" to any future concessions and confidence building maneuvers.

But we shouldn't be interdicting ships. Let them come in, let the terror state do what it wants, and if they keep lobbing rockets, destroy them, with extreme prejudice, and absolutely no mercy.

Posted by: kranky at May 31, 2010 12:40 PM (80GjT)

I have to strongly disagree.  The problem is that there are about 5 different major war tracks going on in the world, right now, and the race for each of them is not to be the first to go "true hot" (as in all-out fighting, real war style).  But, everyone is waiting for some other guy to go hot and then they will finally unload.  But, no one wants to be the first and take the blame from the rest.

Israel should have paid special attention to this situation, as Israel going hot (against either Fakestinians or the Iranians or Hezbollah {I would remind you how much ridiculous restraint Israel showed in the 2006 "war", putting the whole effort on hold for a week to allow everyone and his brother to escape north - a total joke} or Syria ...) is what the rest of the world is waiting for.  Everyone will blame world instability (and the attendant monetary instability) on Israel and that will put Israel in the worst situation possible.

Israel's main task, post-9/11 was to keep as much of a cap on the Fakestinians until one of the other hot spots in the world went truly hot (India-Pakistan would have the most advantageous for everyone) and then Israel could have done what they needed to do.  But, Israel raced itself to the front of the line, just as dealing with Iran was obviously going to come down on them, in addition to everything else, and that was, in my opinion, truly poor strategy.  This was a race to let someone else go hot first, and Israel kept putting itself at the front of that line, even though Israel should ahve understood that they will never be allowed to defend themselves.  It is true that this problem was not the same with Bush in the White House, as the US would still be an Israeli ally, but Israel had to understand that, even in the situation, it was a race to let someone else open up first.

Further, the Gaza disengagement made no sense, because you don't do gift-giving like that in the arab world.  You don't give anything free.  Nothing.  Sharon should have understood this, as he was a strategic genius, but he seems to have lost his mind in the last couple years of his leadership.  You never give freebies to arabs.  That never helps the situation, but only inflames it, and this was done just as the world was put in this deadly race to wait for someone else to go into a hot war - and not a war like we've been fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, but a real war where restraint comes in a far, far, distant second to survival and the need to win.

97 Wonder if paint is formulated w/ pigs blood?

98 "I have no religion, and at times I wish all religions at the bottom of the sea. He is a weak ruler who needs religion to uphold his government; it is as if he would catch his people in a trap."

99 Clean up on aisle #2.  Somehow I think that Bibi has been about 10 steps in front of barky and Co.  Rahm has to be crapping his ballet tights.  GO IDF and IAF and kick some Muzzie ass. 

100 Is there tech that can just disable a ship so it can be towed? Nets in the propellers or something. I'm a moron so I don't know.

101 Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2010 12:53 PM (HPsbD)

speaking of all out media war, how are they bringing the oil spill around to being the Bush administration's fault, specifically, Dick Cheney.  One of my friends was saying he saw Mtthews say this and then subsequently three or four other dems say it yesterday.   Was a little shocked so I didn't get the particulars.

102 They keep talking about this "blockade" the Israelis are doing and whether or not they should be doing it.

Didn't that last "peace agreement" have the U.N. being obligated to enforce and embargo of weapons going into Lebanon as part of the agreement?

Where are those U.N. troops maintaining the embargo?  French weren't they?

103 Nuke Damascus and the Bekaa Valley.

104 Did everyone lose the video feed of the memorial day proceedings where the prez is going to speak?

105
Where are those U.N. troops maintaining the embargo?  French weren't they?

Posted by: Vic at May 31, 2010 01:06 PM (6taRI)

Their tied up helping Hezbollah spot targets and direct rocket fire at the IDF on the Lebanese/Israeli border.

106 Hey, they were just baby milk ships.

107 Did everyone lose the video feed of the memorial day proceedings where the prez is going to speak?

Posted by: curious at May 31, 2010 01:06 PM (p302b)

Uhmm yeah, it's called a remote control

108 You Tube has flagged this video inappropriate for viewers under 18...

The truth about the nutcase Palestinians and their sympathizers is always inappropriate for viewers under 18...

Sigh

109 of course Israel has every right to send naval commandos onto ANY ship in International waters. FREE TRADE AND SAILORS RIGHTS

110 They should have torpedoed these fuckers and let the lot of them sink to the bottom of the Gulf. God I hope Cynthia McKinney was on one of these.

111



OH THE SEAN HANNITY'S !!!!

112 Blockade runners have the right to turn around or die.

113 O/T:  BO is going all over bowing and smiling trying to make the world like us again (all my lib friends describe ti that way) and yet one of my friends said that 18 countries have offered to help us and BO turned them down?   If he wants to show he's a team player in the world, why did he turn them down.  And does that mean he also turned down the army corpes of engineers and other oil companies?

114 of course Israel has every right to send naval commandos onto ANY ship in International waters. FREE TRADE AND SAILORS RIGHTS Israel has a right to protect itself. They requested these miscreants to divert to the port of Ashdod for inspection. We saw the peaceful response of the peace activists.

115

How often do US Coast Guard ships board suspected drug runner vessels in international waters? I'm guessing probably several times a day, and other countries do the same all over the globe for a variety of reasons, without a peep coming from the lefties.

But now that it's the Jooos, they have their panties in a wad.  

116

PR stunt gone horribly wrong... designed by murderous arab thugs for the sole purpose of making the IDF and Isreal look like bad guys.

Fail 

117

Also, YNET says that the so called peace activists were not only armed, but also tied the rappelling rope to the ships mast in an attempt to bring down the IDF chopper.

118 I'm sure a number of the dead "protesters" were actually from friendly fire. 

119 37 paint ball guns?

Yeah, WTF is with that?  Don't they at least have tasers?

120 Hamas has obviously been able to smuggle all the weapons that they need through the tunnels.

121 Where are those U.N. troops maintaining the embargo?  French weren't they?

Posted by: Vic at May 31, 2010 01:06 PM (6taRI)

The U.N. troops are playing matador with the trucks hauling weapons into Lebanon from Syria.  I hope that when this thing blows up again that Israel takes out Damascus this time with Assad as priority number one.

122

I don't have a problem with what Isarael did but the international waters thing is going to come back to bite them if it's true. I've sailed all my life and you have the right to protect your vessal in international waters from anyone. Isarael also has a right to protect itself from anyone whether in international waters or not. When you do it in international waters though you have to be ready for the consequences of international laws.

If it would turn out that this ship did not have arms on board then Israel is going to be dinged for it. Hopefully it was in their waters, if not they should have waited IMO.

123 Which makes you wonder. Were the other five decoy ships or did the Mavi Mamara interject itself into the convoy to take advantage of the confusion ?

I think the Mavi was the whole point of the flotilla.  The other five were for all the peaceniks, the useful idiots.  They were hoping either for this confrontation or that, after inspecting the other five, that the IDF would simply let the sixth go through.  Knowing who Hamas is, they couldn't resist having heavy weapons on the Mavi.

124

But now that it's the Jooos, they have their panties in a wad.  

Posted by: gebrauchshund at May 31, 2010 01:20 PM (d7k0J)

The international community gets their panties in a wad if someone in Israel sneezes.  They don't need much of an excuse to condemn Israel.

125 My asswipe (NJ 12) Congressman is one signer of the "Gaza 54" letter sent to OBummer condemning Israel.

126

more footage close up of throwing soldiers off ship and beating soldiers . rough.

see if this works; http://ht.ly/1S56A

IDF spokesperson blog.

127 Let's not forget the Israeli's have three nuke subs sitting off the coast of Iran. This will not end well.

128


Send the IDF some pizza and soda to thank them for ridding the world of a few more scumbags.

129

Is it horribly bad of me when, upon hearing the news of this, I got anxiously hopeful that Cynthia McKinney and some Code Pinkos were abroad?

I guess it is -- renounce myself, yadda, yadda.

130 114 You Tube has flagged this video inappropriate for viewers under 18...

The truth about the nutcase Palestinians and their sympathizers is always inappropriate for viewers under 18...

Sigh

Posted by: Oneway at May 31, 2010 01:10 PM (hVn8u)

I'm betting the users went and flagged it because the comments were disabled for the video.  Pissed off all the anti-semites that they can't blast the jooooos.  You can bet that they are doing everything they can to get the video completely pulled from youtube.

131

Ummmm...you can't actually be ATTACKED if you are boarding someone else's ship!

I'm no Arab apologist, far from it, but it seems patently absurd to me that someone can be condemned for repelling a boarding force...no matter who it is.

 

The NAVY SEALS didn't expect that?

132 The NAVY SEALS didn't expect that?

They probably didn't realize the leftists were that batshit crazy.

133 I would be very surprised if Obama supports Israel. "International" means "United Nations", and Obama rules over us on behalf of the United Nations. This is a deliberate snub to the United Nations concept of international waters. Israel may as well have boarded the ships off the coast of Maryland.

134 Posted by: DrT at May 31, 2010 01:47 PM (9pxop)

Huh?

That's just silly.  Well ... it's beyond silly, but I'll let you off with a "silly".  I don't think you understand the definition of the word "attack" - or at least you're pretending not to.

135

My hope is that the worst will be delayed until an American is president again and our foreign policy is put back in harmony with our best interests.  We need to re-align our nation with people who are not degenerate scum (that is, NOT with muslims), so that when the bad things finally start we're on the right side.  If the US turns and starts actively working against Isreal, it's time to get out and find some 3rd world hidey-hole that is still neutral.  It's never good to be on the wrong side of history. 

The idea of the US spending a penny or lifting a finger for the good of our enemies, while at the same time sacrificing our allies, is sickening.

136 If Israel  did this to a whaling ship, hippie heads would explode as they tried to find a reason to justify whaling.

137 138

Ummmm...you can't actually be ATTACKED if you are boarding someone else's ship!

I'm no Arab apologist, far from it, but it seems patently absurd to me that someone can be condemned for repelling a boarding force...no matter who it is.

 

The NAVY SEALS didn't expect that?

Posted by: DrT at May 31, 2010 01:47 PM (9pxop)

Keep that in mind the next time you hear about US soldiers in Afghanistan coming under attack when they enter a Taliban controlled village.  Afterall they went into a hostile area so they can't really be attacked right?

And of course you'd refuse to condemn them  because hey they're just repelling an invading force, no matter who it is.

Idiot

138 The leftist troll is strong on the interwebs this holiday.

139

Peaceful Palestinian Protesters.

Indeed.

140 Making a fuss about "boarding ships" on the high seas is ludicrous. The Israelis are enforcing a blockade of a war zone.

Thew idiots on the ship were warned and they sought the confrontation. The only thing I fault the Israelis for is exposing their soldiers the way they did. They should have just sent out one of those subs and sunk all 6 of these ships during the night.

No more warnings no danger to troops. No cameras. 

141 They can hardly complain when the Israelis take them at their word.

That's crazy talk.

142

145  It is one of the most important holidays on the lefty troll calendar, just behind July 4th and Christmas/Easter.  It's like Samhuin for lefties.

Were the Israelis right in doing this? yes.  Is it still a PR disaster for them? yep.  Let's hope they find some really nasty contraband on that bastige -- the pr will still be bad, but maybe not quite so bad.

143 143 If Israel  did this to a whaling ship, hippie heads would explode as they tried to find a reason to justify whaling.

Meh.  They can pretend to be for womens' rights and bash Sarah Palin in the most sexist ways.  They can also defend Islamic culture uncritically.

Cognitive dissonance isn't a bug in liberalism, it's a feature.

144 Off, dirty unwashed sock.

145

Keep that in mind the next time you hear about US soldiers in Afghanistan coming under attack when they enter a Taliban controlled village.  Afterall they went into a hostile area so they can't really be attacked right?

Because Afghanistan is the same as international waters!

146 The Yahoo quislings are calling it a "botched raid".

147 So the Congressfuckers who marched right through a Tea Party demonstration couldn't be attacked because they were the ones initiating it?  Great!

(Waiting to see our lib troll's brain turn into a pretzel trying to justify that.)

148

Put up a post about Israel trying to defend herself from muzzie extremists and watch the lefty trolls crawl out from under their rocks tripping over themselves to carry water for them.

149

_{Because Afghanistan is the same as international waters!}

Afghanistan is the new International Waters.

150

_{The Yahoo quislings are calling it a "botched raid".}

Fox News as well.  Although I think it is an AP quote...

151 All of the current incidents of instability, unrest and terrorism are the work of the one world marxists or muslims seeking a caliphate, sometimes working in concert.

This not designed to end well, and it won't.

I agree with those who posted above that we are headed for a large scale conflagration, with Iran (responsible for more treachery and terror than could be listed here) as it's trigger.

After that  the world will either be cleansed of the leftist/islamist scum or be enslaved by them with each attempting to devour the other.

Sad but true, and it seems almost inevitable.

Those who are prepared (as many here seem to be) will fare better. But it's going to get a lot worse before it's over. The '08 election was a symbol for these groups, as is the bowing.

152

Because Afghanistan is the same as international waters!

Posted by: Ummm no at May 31, 2010 02:14 PM (F1JEL)

Afghanistan, for the US (or any nation other than Afghanistan) is worse, by your twisted view, than "international waters".  If you think that military operations in another sovereign state are less problematic to insane leftists than the same operations in international waters, then ... I don't even know what to say.  That is one screwed up view of the world.

153
I would comment but I am busy drawing cartoons.

154 I care, as much as I did about Rachel Corrie.

155 I wished we protected our borders and Sovereignty the way Israel does. These people, and all others before them, knew what they were getting into. Stupid pawns in a dealy game. Human Shieldin' ain't easy!

156


I hope some of our liberal American Jewish brothers and sisters waltz on over to Kos and Huffpo today to witness all of the antisemitism and Israel hatred on display over there and realize this is why should run away from the Democrats as fast as they can.

157 sickinmass, congratulations on Comment Eighty Four, by the way.

I hope Rachel Corrie was a fan of ass-to-mouth given how her physiology ended up

158

I canÂ’t decide if they are going to find weapons on that ship or not. It would seem they would have known that they wouldnÂ’t succeed in getting through the blockade, so was this just a PR stunt to make Israel look bad? Or, are they stupid enough to think that they could succeed and so did have weapons on board? Of course I mean crates of weapons, obviously they had other weapons on board since they fought the IDF.

 

And what was their intention in fighting the IDF? Supposedly they are “peace” activists, attacking the soldiers doesn’t square with that narrative very well. Was their end game just to provoke the IDF and make them look bad, or did they actually think they would succeed in their attack and make it through the blockade?

159 The LAW is the LAW, which is why I never smoke pot or copy copyrighted material!

160
Oh, what the hell..

Under the Obama administration, America may be becoming a third world country.

BUT....under the Obama administration, America has become NUMBER ONE IN ISSUING APOLOGIES. So much so that Obama has ordered yet another federal bureaucratic department called Department of Homeland Apologies.

Obama will also issue a proposal to congress to replace the traditional National
Anthem of the Unites States to the classic rendition of Brenda Lee's 'I'm
Sorry.'

Will all liberals stand up, place your hand over your heart and sing along with
Brenda?  The new liberal National Anthem of the United States:

I'm sorry, so sorry
That I was such a fool
I didn't know
Love could be so cruel
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Uh-oh
Oh, yes
You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done
[Spoken:]
(I'm sorry) I'm sorry
(So sorry) So sorry
Please accept my apology
But love is blind
And I was to blind to see
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Uh-oh
Oh, yes
You tell me mistakes
Are part of being young
But that don't right
The wrong that's been done
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Uh-oh
Oh, yes
I'm sorry, so sorry
Please accept my apology
But love was blind
And I was too blind to see
(Sorry)

161 I expect the plan was "Let's sail into the blockade and show the world how mean those Jew bastards are."

But on the high seas, when IDF commandos started rappelling down onto the ship, the old reflex kicked in.  "Kill the Jews!"

162 The UN, in league with Islam,  will not rest until Israel is no more. Obama is anti Israel which tells us all we need to know.

163 Blazer 163, unfortunately it may be found on zerohedge as well. I learnt a lot about "I Am Chumbawamba" and other regulars over there, not much of it good.

Sadly the "gold bitchez" crowd includes a hefty subset of ronulans, and events like this one encourage them to decloak and fire their photon joo-pedos.

164

Also, why is it that all of this seems so clear to some people, and yet the liberals canÂ’t see the real facts at all? What does it take to block off the logic chip portion of your brain so that you can unceasingly believe the narrative being shoveled into you from the MSM without ever really noticing the contradictions and the bullshit?

165 lovely, I now have the hash "bi-cop". Feel like I should grow a big porno 'stache now

166

zimreil zerohedge

i couldn't believe what i read this a.m.

o well live and learn.

167


You just knew this scrunt wouldn't be able to keep her fat mouth shut about this. Too bad she doesn't allow comments over there because I'd tell her personally that its a goddammed shame she wasnt on that ship too and got ventilated.

168 My personal take is that it all comes down to status. The libs have done a superlative job of "branding" their ideology as a badge of high status.

That's why you see libs doing that creepy agreeing-with-each-other stuff at social events: two or more libs have a whole conversation consisting of nothing but stuff they agree on. It's a way of establishing status and membership in the high-status group.

That's why they get so infuriated when we challenge the basis of their ideology. It's not just a political dispute: it's a strike at the core of their identity and the basis of their self-regard. "If being a liberal doesn't make me one of the Cool People, what'll I do?" For them it's far more comfortable to attack the source of the Bad Thoughts than to admit they could be valid.

169 even Hotair is getting deluged with them.

170 Just tried to click on the video...won't play. Tried to play other videos from "idfnadesk" just get a black screen. Anyone else having this problem???

171

You could transplant the state of Israel out of the ME and onto a newly created island in the middle of nowhere in the ocean, and the next day it would be surrounded by angry Muslim nations looking to eradicate it.

 

Israel will only get peace through victory.  I wish we would do the right thing and overtly support them as they do their thing.

 

Islam needs to be gone for the good of the world.

172
Just tried to click on the video...won't play. Tried to play other videos from "idfnadesk" just get a black screen. Anyone else having this problem???

Posted by: ziggyee at May 31, 2010 02:55 PM (YO6Wk)

That's because it shows the so called peace activists as the muzzie scumbag terrorists they really are so YouTube pulled it.

Cant have Israel being painted in a good light whatsoever.

173

On our local news site all but a couple of comments are anti-Israel and commenter after commenter keeps saying it is time the US stop supplying Israel with money to hurt the poor Palestinians. There was of course the obligatory “I am Jewish but…” comment as well. And one about how this person is backpacking in South America and has met so many crazy Israelis because they all have to serve in the military and it makes them unbalanced.

 

Is Israel in a position where if the US stopped giving them money they would be crippled, or are they fairly self sufficient now? I wish Israel could just tell the US to shove it.

174

On our local news site all but a couple of comments are anti-Israel and commenter after commenter keeps saying it is time the US stop supplying Israel with money to hurt the poor Palestinians. There was of course the obligatory “I am Jewish but…” comment as well. And one about how this person is backpacking in South America and has met so many crazy Israelis because they all have to serve in the military and it makes them unbalanced.

 

Is Israel in a position where if the US stopped giving them money they would be crippled, or are they fairly self sufficient now? I wish Israel could just tell the US to shove it.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 31, 2010 03:00 PM (RZ8pf)

Even if they could go it alone economically once their ravenous neighbors got the greenlight from Washington that the U.S. would not aid Israel in any way, shape or form in a conflict their so called peaceful and oppressed neighbors in the Middle East would descend on them like vultures.

Obama may not have hit the light switch yet, but he's got his hand on it.

175 http://preview.tinyurl.com/8c3jz4
more video from IDF Spokesperson's Unit

176 "Sometimes I wish that Isrsael one day just throws up their hands and says "Fine, you win. We won't be restrained, we won't hold up our end of the peace process. We'll become the cariacture you all claim we are. Happy now?"

Posted by: AFlyingSquirrel at May 31, 2010 12:14 PM (Y0O0 "

Sure, they could do that, but it would only last 4 or 5 countries and then what, peace in the middle east, no caliphate, what are you thinking?

177

_{Even if they could go it alone ...their so called peaceful and oppressed neighbors in the Middle East would descend on them like vultures.}

I think Israel could roll over all of them in a heartbeat. 

There wouldn't be much left of any Arab army after the first 12 minutes of all out war.  Al Bibi would have to do is give Toonces the old, " Step up or we announce our Nuclear Weapons Program with much anticipated fan-fare.".

Barky has no teeth.  He'd be forced to support Israel or watch the Middle East Glow.

 

178
http://preview.tinyurl.com/8c3jz4
more video from IDF Spokesperson's Unit

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 03:09 PM (HyUIR)

Can't you just feel all the peace and love ? I mean, I've been on plenty of cruise ships where you could just just reach down at any given time and pick up a metal rod or a bat.

179 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3b_1275323514 Religion of Peace welcomes IDF folks aboard.

180  We live in an upside down world, where right is wrong and wrong is right, and common sense is passe! How else can you explain Obama?

181

Is Israel in a position where if the US stopped giving them money they would be crippled, or are they fairly self sufficient now? I wish Israel could just tell the US to shove it.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 31, 2010 03:00 PM (RZ8pf)

US aid to Israel is now only about 1% of Israel's GDP, and Israel has weathered the current worldwide economic downturn much better than most advanced countries.  Although it could do without the money, Israel does still rely on purchasing US weapons and other military equipment.  Of course, the US in turn relies on Israel for military technology, intelligence, and civilian technology; and if the US-Israeli relationship were ruptured, the US would no longer be able to pressure Israel to refrain from selling technology to countries like China.

182 Blazer uh hmm. more un-nerving are all the apologists for the poor wittle ships activists all over the web.!knifing is  also very damned friendly peaceful act.

183 even Hotair is getting deluged with them.

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 02:54 PM (HyUIR)

HotAir has turned into a third-world shithole of teh internet; well done AllahPerezHilton and Morrisey.  Fucking idiots.

184
>>171
Interesting comment PGiS.

In recent days, the international media, particularly in Europe and the Mideast, has been full of stories about activist boats sailing to Gaza carrying desperately-needed humanitarian aid and building materials.

The BBC World Service even led its world news broadcasts with this story at one point over last weekend. (The BBC yesterday boasted that its global news audience has now risen to 220 million persons a week, making it by far the biggest news broadcaster in the world.)

Yet the BBC and other media fail to report on the fancy new restaurants and swimming pools of Gaza, or about the wind surfing competitions on Gaza beaches, or the Strip's crowded shops and markets.

No, this would spoil their agenda. Playing the manipulative game of the BBC is easy. If I had their vast taxpayer funded resources, I too could produce reports about parts of London, Manchester and Glasgow and make it look as though there is a humanitarian catastrophe throughout the UK. I could produce the same effect by selectively filming seedy parts of Paris and Rome and New York and Los Angeles too.

Of course there is poverty in Gaza. There is poverty in parts of Israel too. (When was the last time a foreign journalist based in Israel left the pampered lounge bars and restaurants of the King David and American Colony hotels in Jerusalem and went to check out the slum-like areas of southern Tel Aviv? Or the hard-hit Negev towns of Netivot or Rahat?)

But the way the BBC and other prominent Western news media are deliberately misleading global audiences and systematically creating the false impression that people are somehow starving in Gaza, and that it is all Israel's fault, can only serve to increase hatred for the Jewish state - which one suspects was the goal of many of the editors and reporters involved in the first place.

If you drop by the Roots Club in Gaza, according to the Lonely Planet guidebook for Gaza and the West Bank, you can dine on steak au poivre and chicken cordon bleu.

The restaurant's website in Arabic gives a window into middle class dining and the lifestyle of Hamas officials in Gaza.

And here it is in English, for all the journalists, UN types and NGO staff who regularly frequent this and other nice Gaza restaurants but don't tell their readers about them.

Please take a look at the pictures on the above website. They are not the kind of things you see in The New York Times or CNN or in Newsweek, whose international edition last week had one of the most disgracefully misleading stories about Gaza I have ever seen, portraying it in terms which were virtually reminiscent of Hiroshima after a nuclear blast.

In case anyone doubts the authenticity of this video (which is up on the club's own website I linked), I just called the club in Gaza City and had a nice chat with the manager who proudly confirmed business is booming and many Palestinians and international guests are dining there.

While Western media, misled by corrupt and biased NGOs, continue to report on a "humanitarian catastrophe" in Gaza, the Palestinian Ma'an news agency reports on the Olympic-size swimming pool that opened in Gaza last week.

How does an area that claims to be starved of water and building materials and depends on humanitarian aid build an Olympic size swimming pool and create a luxury lifestyle for some while others are forced to live in abject poverty as political pawn refugees?

 Netanya does not have a municipal Olympic pool. Neither does Ashkelon, or Sderot. Gaza City is part of the Palestinian territory operated by the Islamic terror regime, Hamas. Netanya has been hit by repeated Palestinian suicide attacks, car bombings, and terrorist gunmen that have left over fifty of its citizens dead and more than three hundred injured. The Palestinians receive record amounts of international funding. The victims of Palestinian terror get nothing.

185

_{I hope some of our liberal American Jewish brothers and sisters waltz on over to Kos and Huffpo today to witness all of the antisemitism and Israel hatred on display over there and realize this is why should run away from the Democrats as fast as they can.}

Where's Ace, today?

I hope he's over at the other Blogs reading the comments!

Anti-Semitism a thing of the past, indeed.

186
Blazer uh hmm. more un-nerving are all the apologists for the poor wittle ships activists all over the web.!knifing is  also very damned friendly peaceful act.

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 03:21 PM (HyUIR)

Yep, all over the lefty blogosphere the moonbats are stilling running with the meme that these folks were unarmed. YouTube is pulling the vids as fast as they get posted and I have no doubt the MFM will refuse to show any of them.

Can't let the truth get out.

187

Because Afghanistan is the same as international waters!

Posted by: Ummm no at May 31, 2010 02:14 PM (F1JEL)

For one his justification that you can't be attacked if you are the one boarding someone elses ship has nothing to do with international waters. 

And I'm just using the same justification he is for why you can't call it an attack or condemning them.  The boats don't belong to the Israelis, the town doesn't belong to the US Soldiers.  Their objective in both circumstances is the same. 

188 liveleak.com has the vids. It's better than youtube. The loons there are priceless, too.

189
In recent days, the international media, particularly in Europe and the Mideast, has been full of stories about activist boats sailing to Gaza carrying desperately-needed humanitarian aid and building materials.




sim, the other thing is Israel  provides most of the aid to Gaza herself, but you won't here that from the left or the MFM because it makes them look good. These so called humanitarian shipments are designed with the express purpose of drawing the IDF into a confrontation. The bottom line is all of the aid goes through Hamas to dispense how they see fit so most of it doesn't even reach the people who desperately need it the most, its a top down operation to them with it being used to control and gain influence over the populace.

Also, a few weeks ago Hamas bulldozed several buildings in Gaza and made hundreds homeless, because it said that it owned the land and people illegally built on it. You didnt see that in the MFM either because the evil juice weren't the ones doing it..

190 "The peace activists got their PR message, at the pointless cost of nine lives." Pointless? What could be more to the point than knocking off a few modern-day Nazis? More, please!

191

How does an area that claims to be starved of water and building materials and depends on humanitarian aid build an Olympic size swimming pool and create a luxury lifestyle for some while others are forced to live in abject poverty as political pawn refugees?

That those fucking refugee camps have been there for decades speaks volumes.  They're "refugees" from their own fucking government.  That's what gets me about all the complaints about "Israel expanding the settlements"; maybe the fucking palis should start building homes for the people they purportedly care about instead of purchasing offensive weapons.

192

sim, the other thing is Israel  provides most of the aid to Gaza herself, but you won't here that from the left or the MFM because it makes them look good.

Don't forget power too.  Remember a couple years back when Israel cut the power on them, so the Pali's government needed to hold their meetings by candlelight.  They even managed to get a photograph of the meeting released, with the window blinds pulled so the bright midday sun couldn't shine in to provide light.

193  

Hamas is no more than a corrupt outfit like the mafia. Basically what we had there is Hamas and Fatah duking it out to see who would be the top criminal gang. They terrorize and assassinate their own as well as the Jews. Remember over the last two decades when we were promised that if the Palis were just given their own state we would finally see peace in the middle east?


Yea, how's that worked out so far?

194

172  At least you got a new hash -- I'm still stuck with this old one (which is not the original I had here; the original has "PMS" in it, and I found it funny...I miss my old old hash).

 

 

195
Wish I could hash this out with you guys. We have company coming at 6p and I must go. If another thread about this appears, I will join you then. Thanks for the responses!

196 Of course Israel has every right to use lethal force in boarding Turkish flagged vessels in International waters because....... Well because they are Jews and they are God's chosen people. And likewise they can also if they wish transfer nukes to rogue states like South Africa in the 70s. On Memorial Day we might also ask ourselves how the actions of Israel impact the safety of the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus has already stated that they increase the danger, anyone who feel he has superior insight on this feel free to comment

197 Georgie. the ship tried to run a blocade, the Ship that the soldiers boarded and were attacked on had already Made it clear they wanted to be martyers, the soldiers didn't "attack" first the o so peaceful humanitarians did. They have a right to the blocade, they also have a right to enforce it. america aside. we would hope both countries can defend their interests, we certainly try to in the past, why is Israel exempt from protecting It's citizens from harm? is that improper for every country? or just Israel?

198 Of course Israel has every right to use lethal force in boarding Turkish flagged vessels in International waters because....... Well because they are Jews and they are God's chosen people.





So let me get this straight. We would have no right to board a container vessel in international waters if we suspected a nuclear weapon was on it and headed to an American port, we should just let the vessel dock first?

If you disagree with that then you would have to agree that the Israelis were trying to prevent arms from reaching Gaza to murder their people. You do realize if this was indeed an aid shipment that it could have just went overland don't you?

Ahhh, but then it would get inspected and that defeats the whole purpose.

199

_{On Memorial Day we might also ask ourselves how the actions of Israel impact the safety of the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus has already stated that they increase the danger, anyone who feel he has superior insight on this feel free to comment}

Ahhh, someone's been eating the Pancakes, I see.

Fuck off Troll. 

Isn't there an Israeli Tractor somewhere that needs a speed bump of empathy?  Put yourself to good use like Rachel.

 

200

What also doesn't get explained is the Palis own brother/sister co-religionists in the bordering countries could give a rat's ass about them -- other than they are the perfect thing to give Israel a hard time with and they (neighboring islamic countries) don't want them coming into their countries because they consider the Palis to be riff raff.

Syria would be just as happy to see every Pali wiped off the earth as it would Israel.  They try to get both accomplished quite a bit methinks.

201
What also doesn't get explained is the Palis own brother/sister co-religionists in the bordering countries could give a rat's ass about them -- other than they are the perfect thing to give Israel a hard time with and they (neighboring islamic countries) don't want them coming into their countries because they consider the Palis to be riff raff.




Thats because there is no such thing as a Palestinian. These are Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians who are being used as political pawns  to keep the never ending hatred against Israel burning.

202
Of course Israel has every right to use lethal force in boarding Turkish flagged vessels in International waters because....... Well because they are Jews and they are God's chosen people. And likewise they can also if they wish transfer nukes to rogue states like South Africa in the 70s. On Memorial Day we might also ask ourselves how the actions of Israel impact the safety of the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus has already stated that they increase the danger, anyone who feel he has superior insight on this feel free to comment

Posted by: Georgie at May 31, 2010 04:04 PM (I+7Zv)

I am very intrigued by the cut of your jib and would like to subscribe to your newsletter if you happen to have one, kind sir.

203 On Memorial Day we might also ask ourselves how the actions of Israel impact the safety of the lives of American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Gen. Petraeus has already stated that they increase the danger, anyone who feel he has superior insight on this feel free to comment

Posted by: Georgie at May 31, 2010 04:04 PM (I+7Zv)

Petraeus, himself, increased the risk to American soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan by stating this. 

If Petraeus' strategy included Israel laying down and committing national suicide then it was a strategy of incomprehensible stupidity, especially given the fact that EVERYONE knows that Israel has been tasked by the world with taking out the Iranian threat.  The world has set Israel up for that and they are going to go in for the kill right after Israel takes Iran out.

BTW, you seem like a real idiot.

204 Maybe one of the arab shills, here, can explain why more fakestinians have gotten American citizenship than have gotten citizenship in any arab country (outside of the fakestinian nation of Jordan)?

Maybe Georgie boy has an answer to this?

205 These are Syrians, Jordanians and Egyptians who are being used as political pawns  to keep the never ending hatred against Israel burning.

Posted by: Blazer at May 31, 2010 04:18 PM (t72+4)

yes, and one wonders where all these supposed Humaintarians carians are when it comes to Egyptian Boarders and so on, nary a frkn peep.

It's always swipes at Israel everytime they try to defend their citizens and boarders.

It's a sickness, they are insane: lying ,feckless, mean spirited freaks!

206

yes, and one wonders where all these supposed Humaintarians carians are when it comes to Egyptian Boarders and so on, nary a frkn peep.

It's always swipes at Israel everytime they try to defend their citizens and boarders.

It's a sickness, they are insane: lying ,feckless, mean spirited freaks!

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 04:24 PM (HyUIR)

Hell, even the Egyptians built a wall to keep those fuckers out. The establishment secularists in the higher echelons of the government and military want nothing to do with this extremist trash infecting their country either. Egypt is more than happy being a tourist destination and they really love infidel dollars and luxuries.

207 Nothing brings folks together like wanting to wipe out the Jews. Commies, Lefties, Islamitarians, every type of brain-fried butthead you can imagine.

208 yes.

209

The reason there will never be peace for the Palestinians is simply that peace is not in the interests of their 'leaders'.  With Peace would come prosperity for the individual. Combine this with the dwindling Foreign Aid that would result, and it eliminates the only tool the Pali Leaders have to impose their will on the populus.

Hey, why do Pali's rape babies?

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What else you gonna do when you're hiding behind them????

210

How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?


None. They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!

211 Blazer, you are alright.

212

Posted by: Georgie at May 31, 2010 04:04 PM (I+7Zv)

Can't I eat my pancake, you fucking twat?

213 Palestinian virus warning

A new virus has been detected that you may want to take precautions against. Be careful, if you try to solve this virus problem, you will be castigated in the media and by the UN. This is the Palestinian Virus - a virus that settles in your PC, claims it was there before your PC was built or Bill Gates was born, then demands parts of your hard drive.

If you want the virus to leave you and your PC alone, you can try to give the virus the hard drive space it wants, but it will refuse the deal and start killing data on your computer.

Some people have suggested a solution for this virus problem is to give the virus its own PC. As stated above, this virus has been known to refuse the offer. Other nearby PCs wont take the virus either, even if the virus is compatible with the other computers. The virus seams to want nothing less than to take over your entire computer and with the removal and destruction of all your data.

Software based anti-virus solutions have been proposed, but so far only hardware solutions have had any impact. The only solution we have been able to determine that may work is physical removal of the virus from your computer. The only problem with this solution is all the other computers will object.

214

_{it will refuse the deal and start killing data on your computer}.

Even my DickFiles?!?!

215

Will quibble with you on a bit of technicality: Eygpt, Syria, and Jordan do not consider them countrymen (at least in the sense that they will not offer them asylum as being any countrymen of theirs); I suppose the best description would be Arabs who have lived in the Palestine area (what often gets forgotten now is that there were Jews living in the Palestine as well, long before the nation of Israel was formed).

Be that as it may -- no, none of the co-religionist countries give a rat's ass about them other than how they can use them for political advantage.  That the Palis (for want of a better descriptor for them, if we're going to be technical) have gone along with this arrangement could be considered their own damn fault (truly, they've been going along with it since the days of the Grand Muft).

216

_{truly, they've been going along with it since the days of the Grand Muft}

Are you trying to blame teh evil Booosh?

217 Georgie trollsie, puddin' an' pie Bashed the Jews to make 'em cry But when he came to Ace, instead The in-house Jews handed him his head

218 203 I was wondering where the craving for pancakes was from. 

219

224 But of course, we all know that he time traveled back and started the whole bad ball of wax rolling by causing a rabbi to trip into Achmed's favorite camel...or was it Achmed's camel to trip into a rabbi?  Either way, it is undoubtedly Booosh's fault.

Sorry for the misspelling though: Muft = Mufti

And if you would have to pinpoint a start to the troubles, I would have to say that particular fellow was the one who kicked it off (with help from the evil Boosh, who was also working as a Nazi spy at the time...while he was time traveling).

220 Jeeeeze, I just watched an interveiw of some pali chick from one of the boats. She said they have two  happy endings now. One they get to Gaza and the second they become martyrs. Israel should just go ahead and torpedo the bitch to make her happy.

221

228, but of course -- that's what they were going for and they knew they would get it; it was a catch 22 for the Israelis all along, and they (the Israelis) had to go with doing the lessor of two evils

222

_{I was wondering where the craving for pancakes was from.}

A Long Distance Dedication.

 

 

223

228, but of course -- that's what they were going for and they knew they would get it; it was a catch 22 for the Israelis all along, and they (the Israelis) had to go with doing the lessor of two evils

Posted by: unknown jane at May 31, 2010 05:08 PM (5/yRG)

Yep, the Israelis had no choice. Take a chance and not board those ships and hope that there was no ammo and rockets on board heading for Gaza.

What they did was fine by me. It should be for any sane individual.

224 And this is exactly why I thought the Israelis should have simply torpedoed the ships at night and be done with it.  The world will comdemn Israel no matter what they do short of committing national suicide, and even then people will complain that the Jews waited too long and are taking too much time about it.  Israel should borrow a leaf from Putins book and just do what needs to be done to win.

225 They should have realeaed the Kracken!

226

This all reminds me--

I'm going to Israel in a couple of weeks, and I will be sure to eat at the Pancake House restaurant down along the beach in Beit Yanay. 

It'll make the buckwheat taste extra special!

227

_{Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale}

_{a tale of a fateful ship.}

_{That set sail from a Turkish Port}

_{bound for the Gaza Strip.}

_{The Mate was a Bearded, Peaceful Man}

_{a Moderate to be sure.}

_{10 Passenger's did die that night}

_{We'll blame the Juice, for sure.}

_{Blame the Juice, For Sure.}

 

 

 

 

228 Daddy, why haven't you solved the Jewish problem you keep talking about?

229

_{Posted by: TexasJew at May 31, 2010 05:19 PM (dgbxG)}

Don't abuse the Sausage Patties

230

Posted by: Ballad of the SS Corrie at May 31, 2010 05:25 PM (HPsbD)

Total win.

231

231  Even if the bloody boat doesn't have one piece of material that could in any way be construed as supporting an aggressive act, the Israelis couldn't let it through -- precedent would have been set. 

It was a pretty good set up, so props to the miserable bastards for actually thinking one through pretty cleverly.

And no, Israel is not in a position to go acting like Putin (which may not be such a bad thing -- I don't know if having two Vlads at once would be such a good thing for the world); they've been "alinsky'd" pretty damn well. 

Israel not only needs to worry about Iran, Palestine and a weak kneed U.S./EU/UN and their support (and this is the crux of the matter, the US and EU lack of support; Israel has to have somebody on the UN Security Council who will support them, spit) -- one of the biggest issues here is other ME countries wanting to see them take out Iran; those countries will push Israel mighty hard to get that accomplished as it would work out beautifully for them.  If I were Israel I'd be putting my nation on high alert -- there will be some sort of major terrorist attack coming out of Hamas controlled areas in the next few months; I'd almost bet on it -- at least by November, probably sooner.  The other ME countries cannot have a nuclear Iran, and would love to see Israel scapgoated for any attack; they will be pushing Israel very hard.

232

Yep, the Israelis had no choice. Take a chance and not board those ships and hope that there was no ammo and rockets on board heading for Gaza.

What they did was fine by me. It should be for any sane individual.

Posted by: Blazer at May 31, 2010 05:13 PM (t72+4)

Its not fine by me.  The boats are still floating and the terrorist enablers are still alive.

233 Israel has to have somebody on the UN Security Council who will support them, spit

Israel should have left the UN years and years ago.  They should leave, now.  Israel staying in the UN is nothing but battered-wife syndrome.  Israel doesn't have the luxury of entertaining that sort of stupidity any longer.

234

Its not fine by me.  The boats are still floating and the terrorist enablers are still alive.

Posted by: buzzion at May 31, 2010 05:31 PM (oVQFe)

Well, maybe they learned a lesson for the next time this happens.

Jihadists don't bitch and moan when they're sitting on the bottom of the sea.

235

Andrew Sullivan sees the same scenes and declares Israeli out of control fascists or something like that.

236 Liveleak has a telling video up.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3b_1275323514

237 Posted by: Ballad of the SS Corrie

Skipper, be careful of the rocks.

238

241  But they have to have some support nonetheless from that body -- somebody with some pull has to have their backs if they go after Iran (which is the thing that everybody wants, but does not want to be responsible for at the moment).  Ordinarily I would say the U.S. would be that somebody, but with this president...and then there is the little problem with Turkey vis a vis this incident (and possibly future ones), which is still a NATO country and we are under treaty with them.

Things would be so much better if we didn't have dear reader in office, but that's just wishful thinking right now; he is, and here we all are.

239

Jihad........exciting and new.....


come aboard.......we've been expecting you......

240 Where's a NORK torpedo when you need one?

241 ok, now that I've calmed down somewhat, What will be the next move of U.S, U-FRKN- N re: Israel?

242 You lot don't get it, do you. This idiotic incident caused by totally inept Israeli tactics that you so loudly cheer is the likely end of NATO's east flank. Possibly, it seals the fate of Turkey as a secular nation. Can you say hello to a 70 million muslim nation hell bent on revenge? Turkey used to be a partner of Israel and a regional balance to Russia. US and NATO fleet had secure pass through the Bosphorus. Now you may kiss those good times goodbye, ya ain't gonna see them back at least until the dust of WW III settles.

243 and thank G-d Israel filmed it all. to bad most won't see it.

244
Posted by: ergo at May 31, 2010 05:43 PM (1Kvjf)



So be it. Let the settling of scores begin. It has to happen sooner or later and what's happening with Turkey is inevitable no matter what Israel does.

245 ergo, Israels" fault that they had a blokade they enforce? and terrorists , propagandists, wanted to be  Martyrs setting all this crap up?

246

...

_{"The Evil Juice handled us way too rough}

_{We'll be martyred soon, For Sure!"}

_{"If we don't tie the Rap Lines to the Peace Boat's Mast}

_{the Corrie could be Lost...}

_{The Corrie could be Lost!"}

 

247

back to Israel isn't allowed to defend itself, no-matter what, It's Israels fault?

248

250  Actually, I do think I "get it" -- at least as much as a civilian housewife can.

The Israelis did the right thing insomuch as there was a "right thing" to do here (it really was a catch 22).  They could not let that ship get through the blockade, even if nothing incriminating was aboard (which we don't know yet) it would have set bad precedent for the future.  They could not use extreme force for the simple fact that you mention.  So they did the only option that was truly available -- that they got met with a bunch of club and chair wielding goons was just a "shit happens" moment.  The Turkish government (and other governments as well) has plenty of diplomatic room to wave this off -- it remains to be seen if they will take it or not (I'm guessing they will in spite of public outrage).

249 i would say Erg, You guys on the Left sabotage Israel at every stage of their self defense for your own evil idealogy

250 -->This idiotic incident caused by totally inept Israeli tactics that you so loudly cheer is the likely end of NATO's east flank. Possibly, it seals the fate of Turkey as a secular nation.

You have cause and effect backwards. Interesting how you did that. Evidently, you haven't been following goings-on in Turkey, lately, or you would know this.

-->Can you say hello to a 70 million muslim nation hell bent on revenge?

Huh? Welcome to the world. Did you just wake up or something?  And, 70 million muslims is nothing.  Of course, the muslims never cared about starting wars with 800 million Hindus, or with 2 billion Christians who control pretty much all of the really powerful weapons in the world .... but a few million muslims scares you.

-->Turkey used to be a partner of Israel and a regional balance to Russia. US and NATO fleet had secure pass through the Bosphorus. Now you may kiss those good times goodbye, ya ain't gonna see them back at least until the dust of WW III settles.

Posted by: ergo at May 31, 2010 05:43 PM (1Kvjf)

And it's all Israel's fault for defending themselves. Yep. You are a smart one. Turkey was the greatest NATO partner and a dear friend of Israel's ... up until this event ... Yep. Turkey didn't fuck the US over in the Iraq invasion, or anything. No. That never happened.  Turkey wasn't turning toward the islamists before this event ... Nope.

How long did it take you to create this delusional world you live in?

251 As for "ending NATO's east flank" -- I've got news for you dumbass: your sophisticated buddies in the EU and the useful idiots here at home did far more damage to Turkey's secular/military government than Israel has with this action.  Do you ever read anything with any amount of critical thinking?

252

_{...No Goat, no Guns no mortar shell,
not a single luxury.
like Mohammed on Aisha,
as primitive as can be,.}

_{(that one wrote itself)}

253

You and your thinking kill innocent muslim and infidels  women -children over the earth because you won't really stand up for something wrong and hurtful for everyone alive,  You have to stand for something what the hell do you stand for?

Bowing down will work?

Isn't and won't work!

254 Possibly, it seals the fate of Turkey as a secular nation.

For that, you probably should look to the EU and their forcing Turkey to amend their Constitution and take supreme power away from the secular military (which is what has held Turkey together and sane since the inception of the nation).  But, you can't bring yourself to blame the EU for putting Turkey on the knife's edge just to play around with them - as we all know that the EU never intended to let Turkey in, no matter what they did.

255 ugh  261 to erg.

256

One other thing ergo, if the Turks really cared so much about that aid getting through on ships that were flagged under them, why didn't they just demand that it went overland to Gaza like the rest of the bulk of it is? Why? Because they are just as guilty as the Palis in trying to incite a violent incident for propaganda purposes.


Wouldn't that right there tell you that Turkey has pretty much already crossed over the fold ?

257 Waiting for the slowly putrefying and home grown anti-Semite Carter to weigh in.

258 Posted by: unknown jane at May 31, 2010 05:51 PM (5/yRG)

You beat me to it, jane.  Good job.

259  But, you can't bring yourself to blame the EU for putting Turkey on the knife's edge just to play around with them - as we all know that the EU never intended to let Turkey in, no matter what they did.

Posted by: progressoverpeace a

amen

260

...

_{"So Join us here each week, 'my friend'}

_{Pay your Jizya - you'll be fine."}

_{"Israel will soon be destroyed and}

_{Allah. Will. Finally Smile------."}

261

_{Tip your waitstaff.}

Thank You.

262

paperthinboatOFF!

263 i would say Erg, You guys on the Left sabotage Israel at every stage of their self defense for your own evil idealogy

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 05:50 PM (7FgWm)

i should add and America.

264

264 Turkey wants Israel to start something with Iran; I tend to believe this more than "crossing over to the other side".  It serves two functions: keeps the muslim street's attention on something and it can perhaps set up a situation whereby Israel is goaded into taking out Iran (which automatically makes Israel the scapegoat -- so win-win for the Turkish government, as well as the rest of the ME states).

As to "crossing over to the other side": The situation in the Muslim countries is very complicated to say the least -- AQ & Co. have caused a major problem for those governments (to put it in brief: some of the founding members of those nasty little groups consider wahhabbists to not be "fundamentally muslim" enough...and they believe in overthrowing government -- every government, as then it will bring about an Islamic golden age whereby no government shall be needed...inschallah will be the order of the day...nobody accused them of pragmatism when it came to religion).  Thanks to economics and a whole slew of issues, these folks have become quite popular with some of the proles (at least enough of them to make an impact) and they are not above murdering fellow muslims (as they don't see them as "muslim enough"); they are not above infiltrating and overthrowing a government.  It creates a very toxic condition for Islamic governments -- they have a terrorist problem of their own in their midst, and for now they are feeding that crocodile, hoping to be eaten last.

265 did Georgie and Erg just come along to drop a pile of dung  into the thread?

266
did Georgie and Erg just come along to drop a pile of dung  into the thread?

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 06:08 PM (7FgWm)

Some folks just need an outlet for their hatred of the Jews. If this were the Russians or the Chinese, you wouldn't here a peep out of them.

267 The Israeli themselves seem to be of the opinion that the action was ill-prepared - see http://debka.com/article/8824/ - but whatever floats your boat my friends. FYI, I haul from E Europe and am as far removed from the left as you might imagine. A bad tactical call from Israel may, however, turn out to be the most disastrous strategic blunder in recent memory, because, and now pay some attention, there is no better way to make the rift between the soft islamic govt in Ankara and the secular military disappear, than a perceived threat and loss of face caused by Israel. If I may add before you use the banhammer on me, you't better focus on domestic problems like the silent coup the Alyinskyte in the White House is pulling on USA rather than the two-bit satisfaction that a task force of the IDF Navy kicked in retard style some peacenik ass on the high seas. Obama must have one of the widest grins ever tonite after reading the news, what better distraction from his BP fuckup than a high profile IDF fuckup caught on tape.

268

"The Elders group of past and present world leaders, including former South African president Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu, on Monday condemned as “completely inexcusable” the deadly Israeli attack on a flotilla carrying aid for Gaza.

The group, which was launched by Mr. Mandela on his birthday in 2007 to try to solve some of the world’s most intractable conflicts, called for a “full investigation” of the incident and urged the UN Security Council “to debate the situation with a view to mandating action to end the closure of the Gaza Strip.” “This tragic incident should draw the world’s attention to the terrible suffering of Gaza’s 1.5 million people, half of whom are children under the age of 18,” the group said.

Israel’s three—year blockade of Gaza was not only “one of the world’s greatest human rights violations” and “illegal” under international law, it was also “counterproductive” because it empowered extremists in the Palestinian territory, they said.

The Elders includes six Nobel peace prize winners — former UN secretary general Kofi Annan, former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari, former US president Jimmy Carter, detained Burmese leader Aung San Suu Kyi and Mr. Mandela and Tutu.

Norway’s first female Prime Minister Gro Brundtland; former Brazilian president Fernando Henrique Cardoso; former Irish president and ex—UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson; Mozambican social activist Graca Machel; Indian women’s rights activist Ela Bhatt; and Algerian veteran UN envoy Lakhdar Brahimi are the other members."

Banded together from remote galaxies are thirteen of the most sinister villains of all time, Dedicated to a single objective: the conquest of the universe. Only one group dares to challenge this intergalactic threat: The SuperFriends!

269 274  Hatred of Jews, hatred of America, hatred of just about everything -- and a good dose of piss in their pants fear (because deep down inside, they have an inkling of what I was talking about @272...and they're feeding the crocodile themselves...got news for them: they will be gotten in the end, no matter how much you try and appease; crocodile is a crocodile; have fun now, take care and God bless).

270 In one of the Master and Commander books, it was observed that if a suspected slave ship fired upon a naval vessel, they had the right to treat the crew of that ship as pirate...short stop, certain drop. It seem that Isreal should have just sunk the ship.

271 Is that Bonesteele?

272

275 Oh, don't worry about little old me -- I'm hardly paying more attention to this than my president's actions (in fact, I consider how my president reacts to be one of the dicier problems with this incident -- mainly because it will not give the government in Ankara room to formulate a response other than the one you allude to).

However, since you are so wise -- what would you have had the Israelis do? (as stated above -- it was a no win for them no matter what, just a choice of the lesser evil). Let's hear it!

273

Posted by: ergo at May 31, 2010 06:12 PM (1Kvjf)



This wasnt a blunder dumbass it was manufactured outrage by the Pali's and necessary for the IDF. There is no need to ship aid via a water route, none, do you get that asswipe or are you that dense? the Israeli's will allow all aid through via land as long as they can inspect it first.

Which there lies the problem. You can't get Iranian made heavy weaponry through to Pali terrorists if the IDF gets to inspect it first. Israel doesnt need to apologize for trying to stop the murder of its people by folks who would make the Manson family look sane in comparison.

274 I lived in a Turkish muslim neighborhood in West Germany while in the Army in the late 70's. The only reason they put up with my roommate and me was because we had black market American cigarette rations to sell monthly.

We treat our dogs better than they treat their women, and that is not hyperbole. That whole environment was a real eye opener. "Culture" or "society" are not words that come to mind when dealing with that kind of group.

We are fortunate that there is an Israel and that they are up to the necessary task that will fall to them. They deserve support, and I think in the not too distant future, our gratitude.

It's a shameful state of affairs that they can count on neither from the asswipe
currently usurping the oval office.

275

The conclusion is no matter what Israel would have done.. it would be flame worthy .

276

ontherocks at May 31, 2010 06:26 PM (kjXuP)

Thanks for the reminder of what the muslim trash are all about.  Whether from Turkey, the PA, or wherever else, the muslims are the root of every problems in the ME - and anyone who sides with them over the Israelis is siding with vile barbarism.    There will be no lasting peace until those bastards are done away with once and for all.

277 @280 unknown jane: to begin with, wait for daylight and the boats to come to immediate proximity of Israeli territorial waters. The timing was perfect for this (bad judgment on the ship crews there, not used for effect by the IDF). Request immediate compliance with the orders to head to harbour on suspicion of contraband and smuggling, maybe on live TV. Interdict their outward comms all the while. Half-assed commando operations (paintball rounds, dropping soldiers one by one amidst a frenzied mob??) are out of my script too. Given that this was a Navy operation, tactics should have focused on disabling the rudder and/or propulsion of ships in question, not on helo dropping a handful of troops in the middle of overwhelming, crazed foes. @281 blazer: if it wasn't blunder, what do you call it, success? they acted on faulty intelligence, with faulty PR and legal planning - see above, and with faulty military tactics - yea the guys on the ships have 19 dead, so what, they're with Allah now, no reason to be sad about it. The palis and the turks aboard those ships were stupid enough to challenge the israelis in a game of chicken which they lost; but do you really think they *were* stupid enough to imagine that a) they would not be stopped and b) that weaponry, heavy or otherwise, aboard the relief ships, would not be recovered by Israel and subsequently spend lotsa years in prisons there? would you bet your house that there are weapons aboard those ships? I would bet you 100:1 that there aren't any. The IDF should hang by the balls the ones responsible for this failure, they were immensely lucky not to lose any fighter for good today. Take care my friends, not everything is black or white in this world of ours.

278

285 They hailed that ship and directed them to harbor -- the ship refused.

Too much has been made of this "international waters" thing -- the fact is that the flotilla knew the rules (even that aid need not be brought by sea); they were hailed and ordered to proceed to harbor for inspection -- the ship attempted to run the blockade.  Now, what sort of choices does that leave?

279

_{Take care my friends, not everything is black or white in this world of ours.}

From my perspective it is. 

280 As has probably been pointed out by others already, Gabe, food and medical supplies are far, FAR from "much needed" in Gaza.

If there is any shortage of food and medical supplies in Gaza, it is a shortage caused with intent and political purpose by the leaders of Hamas.

281

I suppose we could quibble about meeting them in international waters rather than letting them penetrate into territorial -- however, that in and of itself poses a problem with setting precedent.

As for disabling the ship -- while that might have seemed like a better thing to do in hindsight, it is also fraught with complications. 

282 There will be no lasting peace until those bastards are done away with once and for all.

Posted by: Reactionary at May 31, 2010 06:36 PM (4nbyM)

Though I believe a significant number of muslims have "Stockholm Syndrome" due to the severe penalties for apostasy, I have regretfully reached the same conclusion.

This is not a religion. It's a death cult that sprang out of a syndication of desert bandits led by a pedophile.

Death is so central to it's ideology and disciplines that  there seems to be no other way. They are in fact encouraging it.

283 286: wait for daylight, wait for the convoy to approach national waters, call for a TV helicopter with good zoom lenses (BW imaging was a stupid stupid idea, it harkens back to insurgents blown in tiny bits by Apaches in Iraq and Afghanistan), interdict the ship convoy comms, USE ENGLISH FOR TV EFFECT when hailing said ships, then disable them and let them float aimlessly until the global warming or the next ice age comes along, or the peaceful dudes aboard the ships ask to be towed to a port when their water runs out. This is the Mediterranean, and the ships were sailing under a NATO country flag, it's not the Somali pirate infested waters, don't you get it? In order to get a degree of reference, both Bulgarian and Romanian Coast Guard ships, when in their respective territorial waters, regularly fire heavy machine guns or light auto cannons and disable Turkish poacher fishing trawlers which are then towed to port, all three countries are in NATO but nobody can complain about it. If this IDF operation looks like a success to anyone, then human wave assault tactics of the WW I must be the pinnacle of military art!!

284 If there is any shortage of food and medical supplies in Gaza, it is a shortage caused with intent and political purpose by the leaders of Hamas.

From what Fox was saying this morning there were no food and medical supplies in the shipment.

285
From what Fox was saying this morning there were no food and medical supplies in the shipment.

Posted by: Vic at May 31, 2010 07:11 PM (6taRI)

Just what I suspected. Which means that this was just an attempt at testing the IDF's picket line and drumming up outrage. If the IDF  would have pussied out you best damn believe the next boats would have had rockets and assorted weapons and ammo on them from Iran and Syria.

286

I have posted on Turkey's Islamist government before. The ploy recently to announce a farce agreement (along with Brazil) to reprocess some Iranian nuclear materials as a means of helping Iran avoid international sanctions, was a deliberate attempt to undermine the United States efforts against Iran.

Now, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's Islamist political party along with the Turkish government helped organize the flotilla trying to break the Israeli military blockade of Gaza.

Let's be clear, this flotilla had nothing to do with humanitarian supplies, which could have been shipped by land. The flotilla, if successful, would have opened the door to military supplies to Hamas concealed in later shipments.
@legal insurrection

 

287

http://preview.tinyurl.com/29hjucv
Israel Defense Force Spokesperson

Pictures of Weapons Found on the Mavi Marmara Flotilla Ship, 31 May 2010

288

If I may add before you use the banhammer on me

People don't get banned for simply spouting off idiocry like you did.

289 Drudge says Easy Bake is demanding "facts" asap from Isreal. OK, fact number one. You're a Commie douche-canoe.

290

Pictures of Weapons Found on the Mavi Marmara Flotilla Ship, 31 May 2010

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2010 07:51 PM (7FgWm)

But..but...but...the Jews had guns and the poor oppressed Palestinians only had puny little knives !

No Fair !

291 International Coffee! Um, I means Waters!!

292 Blazer, Jane, Eman, Vic, you guys rock, srsly

293 International House of Pancakes!

294 You people need to calm down and think about how what you say can cause bad feelings and interrupt the thoughtful actions of our duly elected rulers, um, leaders.

295 Watch me go under this door!

296

Rachel Corrie?

Lightweight.

297 Well, at least nine Islamofascist scumbags bought it.  And I hope it hurt like hell as they died.

298

Pictures of Weapons Found on the Mavi Marmara Flotilla Ship, 31 May 2010

Harmless kitchen utensils

299

Given that this was a Navy operation, tactics should have focused on disabling the rudder and/or propulsion of ships in question, not on helo dropping a handful of troops in the middle of overwhelming, crazed foes. erg, said this

have to admit i like the idea.still I think the Israelis results weren't as bad as might have been.

what's to say if they were drug to p[ort they wouldn't have had the fight at the port.

i'm not military i don't know.?

300

anyway, i still believe it doesn't matter what tactical decisions Israel made it would be criticised as overwhelming force etc..

haha, ok i'll finally leave the thread. whew,

301 http://bit.ly/bfmJO8 Good piece i just read on my phone and tweeted. We need an update post on what's going on

302 291 286: "Ergo" sez: "wait for daylight, wait for the convoy to approach national waters, call for a TV helicopter with good zoom lenses (BW imaging was a stupid stupid idea..." Well let's see, you can take advantage of your superiority in night optical devices, or assault in daylight. Black and white imaging. It is called "infra red" - lets one see in the dark, per above. See if you can put it together now, Clausewitz.

303 Did anyone, anywhere NOT see this coming?

304

How long did it take you to create this delusional world you live in?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at May 31, 2010 05:51 PM (Qp4DT)

It is the same 'worldview' inculcated into the tiny brains of modern leftists and Jew haters throughout history who think that one of the smallest populations of the world somehow control the destinies of all mankind.

305 One Sub a few torpedo's. Problem solved,  loud mouth terrorists swimming with the fishes.

306

@252: "So be it. Let the settling of scores begin."

What? You can't combine the Airing of Grievances with the Feats of Strength!

307 @ #135 BLAZER: You must have been one of the original AllahPundit readers to remember that. Eggsellent! PIZZA FOR THE IDF!!

308 310 yea, night vision headsets are the 2nd best ever tactical advantage before an apeshit crazy crowd, right after the famous trick of yelling "look! an airplane". I was talking about BW thermal imaging, Riefenstahl, not BW TV, but nevermind, for the most part the discussion here was making Baghdad Bob look like Sun Tzu. This was not something usual here at Ace's, obviously things change with time.

309 Ergo, just come out and admit that you hate Jews and would like to see them all wiped off the face of the Earth.

You'll feel better.

310 317 Charlie Johnson, is that you there buddy? LOL. This is definitely not a moronblog anymore, it's a moron moron kind of joint, IYKWIM, and I'm outta here for good.

311 316 "...for the most part the discussion here was making Baghdad Bob look like Sun Tzu..." well, we will give you points for being honest about your comments. "...I'm outta here for good..." Whatever shall we do without you ?