1 Evict?

Racist! Denounce yourself.

2 Excellent post, Ace! Agree 100%. I am still nervous about the Senate Reps though. Look at the deal with Murkowski. Cornyn 's key guy (chief of staff or sth) was pretty "moderate" I heard.

3 Can we have more horse-race blogs?  Those are my favorite.

4

COMPROMISE? 

WHAT.THE.FUCK are we voting you in for?

SURE AS HELL ain't to 'compromise. 

SHUT THE DAMN GOV'T DOWN if that's what it takes. Who cares if its down for a month or three?

I cannot believe they would even consider this right now- will they never frickin learn?

Bring the gov't to its knees- its the only way BoHamma will ever listen.

QUIT SPENDING MONEY.

Gawd.  The GOP is just DEAD.

5 Preach it, brotha!  No compromise.  I'm all for two years of gridlock and no new laws, if that's what it takes.

6 According to the latest Joe Biden School for Retards poll we're up eleventeen bitches!! So why would I have to work with the minority party now that all my awesome policies are starting to bear fruit? Riddle me that cons.

7 Well said.  But let us not forget that these people are, for the most part, cocksucking scumbag politicians who would sell their mothers to glory-hole managers for 100 votes. They will say what it takes to remain in power.

Yeah, too much booze and not enough optimism.

8 Spending is one of two absolutely no-wiggle-room issues for the new Congress. The other is de-legitimizing (and defunding and eventually repealing) Obamacare. If they squish on these, both we and they are fucked--but them first. You'd think those oh so sophisticated Beltway types would realize that just DOING THE MAIN THINGS PEOPLE WANT would be the easiest way to keep themselves relevant and on the gravy train. But no, look at what Judd Gregg and that incoming Whip schmuck said just last week. Only the idiots who thought two attempts at Amnesty were good politics could come up with this bullshit. Fortunately, what beltway quislings do is largely their own problem in 2012. They all hate That Woman and everyone knows it.

9 Reach across the aisle with an olive branch and they smack you across the face with it.  Fuck em.  No more compromise.

10 If I wanted you to work with Obama, you'd be Democrats I voted for.

11 No compromise, no mercy, no prisoners. No more Trent Lott republicans. Remember how the stupid party compromised with Daischle, sucked up to Teddy K, got banged by Billy C and left by the side of the road? I do, and I am still pissed. There's a new creature just discovered, the Carino (Candy Ass RINO), that should be wiped from the face of the earth. Our ideal role model should be King Leonidas from 300, but I think Pence will do for now.

12 Cao's picture and voting record should be plastered to the PC and wall of every single R in the House & Senate. 

He "compromised" and look how that worked out...we got the shaft and he got the boot.

We're better off dead than liberal, IMO.

13 "...until we evict his lazy incompetent ass in January 2013."

Eeee hee hee hee. Freakin' classic. Less than two years ago, saying something like that was cause for the eejit obamodrone chorus to hunt you down with pitchforks and so forth.

How far the vapidly incompetent have fallen, eh?

14 Reaching across the aisle is a bridge to nowhere.

15 I'm not lazy, I'm pacing myself. Not watch this slice.

16 Yeah, but what if the democrats don't like us?  We don't want to create any hard feelings or acrimony with our honored colleagues.

17 Now watch this slice. I'm pacing my mad spelling skillz as well.

18 Here's a cringe-inducing (for many) but nifty idea: Romney-Pence 2012.

19 OT/

FiveThirtyEight update their House race simulations and saw Republicans improving to a 51 projected seat pickup.  It now has 90 dem seats in play.  I think that last number is quite conservative as it has Ruth McClung in their as the 6th least likely to flip @ 24%  but subjectively it feels more like 30-40% flippable.

Also...

"A nonpartisan poll was also released for the first time in another closely-watched district, the Massachusetts 4th, where Barney Frank is running. It gave Mr. Frank a 12-point lead, which is fairly safe. Nevertheless, as the model had considered Mr. Frank about a 17-point favorite before, it has Republican Sean BielatÂ’s chances improving slightly to 4 percent from 2 percent."

20 A nonpartisan poll

Non-partisan partisan? or non-partisan non-partisan?

21 Once upon a time, new Republican majorities were elected in both chambers of the US Congress. And still the shit in DC was the same. Nothing changed. And they all lived happily ever after. And so did we, after moving to Panama.

22 If the stupid party is going to reach across the aisle, I recommend the S&W 629 Trail Master. If you're lucky enough to have an outdoor range, go shoot some golf balls with it. Makes me feel as touched as I did when Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. Properly hit with a big fat .44 slug, the golf balls just about go into orbit. Awesome. God how I love this country.

23 Fractured Fairy Tales
Love it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAkauRR-y4

24

That Mike Pence.

He's a Baaaaaad man.

 

So what does happen if a lot of political rice bowls get broken next year?

25 Lazy?Yes.Incompetent?Well,no,because he wants to destroy America and he is succeeding.

26

This senseless and bitter partisanship is futile and immature.  Apparently, Republicans still havent learned their lesson.  Obama is playing 3-D Chess.

27 If your first impulse upon gaining power is to compromise, you don't belong in power in the first place. You gain power to use it, not give it away, especially to your foes. A fucking dead cat can figure that out.

28 But I thought he tried to reach out to Republicans. He keeps saying that. But they were drinkin their slurpees.

29 I think any Dem in a house seat that gets less than 60% of the vote will get the message and become amiable to the tea party positions.  But, if the Ds hold onto the Senate, I believe they will continue to stubbornly cling to their ways.

We won't ultimately win until the Democrat party believes pushing progressive policy is a sure way to electoral ruin; as Milton Friedman says, 'when the wrong people vote the right way'.  Republicans are never going to dominate both chambers of congress for more than a few years at a time.

30 Reach across the aisle = reach around.

Obama don't deserve either.

31 The Unicorn is a sneaky, back-stabbing beastie. Never turn your back on it.

32 Sometime in the not too distant past, when the Repubs were in the majority, they tried some kind of power sharing bullshit scheme with the Dems. I don't think it turned out too well if I remember correctly.

33 33 Oh,it isn't your "back" they stab,nor do they use a "knife".IYKWIMAITYD

34

Obama can either boldly move to the right and accept the New Mandate

Nov. 2 will represent the latest wishes of voters.  We can't let the MSM act like the coming gridlock is the GOP's fault.  It will be Obama's.

35

31 I think any Dem in a house seat that gets less than 60% of the vote will get the message and become amiable to the tea party positions. 

Depending on the state, even 60% will not be enough: redistricting.

36 As it turns out, you weren't the one we've been waiting for.

37 "In 2009, Obama refused to work with Republicans, refused to compromise." Two different concepts. I believe Obama was eager to work with Republicans, just as long as that didn't involve compromising with them. He really, truly believed that because he won, the Republicans should have fallen into line behind him without question or complaint. Of course, he also really, truly believed that his agenda would fix the economy instantly, so he saw no need to compromise on any part of it - he thought he was generously offering to let Republicans share the credit for his inevitable, massive success and saw them as ingrates for rejecting his magnanimous offer.

38 Excellent to hear!

I know now what candidate we need in 2012. A guy with Pence's hair and Bolton's mustache.

39

Of course, he also really, truly believed that his agenda would fix the economy instantly, so he saw no need to compromise on any part of it - he thought he was generously offering to let Republicans share the credit for his inevitable, massive success and saw them as ingrates for rejecting his magnanimous offer.

I was thinking of having a full frontal lobotomy so that the piece of my brain that they take out can outsmart Obama.

40

I know now what candidate we need in 2012. A guy with Pence's hair and Bolton's mustache.

Any other body hair preferences?

41 "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. "

42 Obama is just going to use the Executive branch to nudge and then to shove. 

Audacity is just getting started.

43 Bottom of the eighth, one out, Texas up 6-1.
It's down to minutes now.

44 Obama can either boldly move to the right and accept the New Mandate

He won't. I don't think he is even capable of it. To do so would be to admit he and his agenda aren't special and historic. The past 2 years he has been in epic presidential mode. Now he moves to epic fighter mode. After all it took a long time to free the slaves you know?

45 It would be kinda funny if Mike Pence became President because I changed my name to Hart from Hartpence because I didn't think that name sounded Presidential.

46

Obama can either boldly move to the right and accept the New Mandate or he can continue owning this, until we evict his lazy incompetent ass in January 2013.

Posted by: Ace at 10:13 PM

Well for Pete's Sake, let's encourage Bambi to stay exactly the way he is now!  I don't know about you guys, but I'm hoping that in two years President Palin will declare that the United States is once again a spacefaring nation.  And that she won't bow to the King of Saudi Arabia.  And that she will win in Afghanistan.  And that she will destroy Iran once and for all.  And stand up for Israel.  And make Americans proud to be Americans again.

There's a lot more at stake than JUST the economy, folks.  Obama is the Apocalypse of Presidential disasters.

47 The message on November 3rd needs to be:  Barry... Abdicate NOW...

48 Wouldn't it be schadenfrade-y when, after the election, Barry would make a speech about compromise and "working together to solve the nations problems" and Mike Pence would say "We won" ?

49 Oblather isn't going to accept anything. He will do the same thing he has done the past 2 years, give speaches blaming the Repubs, go on vacation and play golf.

50 I'm not worried about the House, but the likely Senate has me concerned.

We won't have the majority, sad to say, at least that is my pessimistic thought, but will there be enough force to counter with 41 sure votes when we have the likes of the Maine twins, LeezaM, Scott Brown, and just a teensie few more assholes thinking bipartisanly enough to fuck things up?

All this, with The One bellowing from the bully pulpit that the Rs are all demons and obstructionists, beholden to their special interests?  And with the MFM screaming alongside him?

51 Relaaaaaaaaaaaax, morons. It's not even November 2nd yet, no spazzing until they fuck things up, please. Some of y'all sound like Allah, fgs. Also can I make one teensy little request? No more "teaching lessons" by electing shitheads like Obama or putting PelosiReid in charge, PLEASE? The fact that people like Angle, Paladino, Miller, O'Donnell, Paul, etc. won their primaries shows we CAN throw the bums out without committing suicide, okay? Please?

52 OT

9th inning and Texas up 6-1.

Life is good.

53 Larry Sabato: "Given the environment, Buck & Miller should have been clearly favored. Both are now in tied toss-ups. One more gaffe for either = fatal." http://twitter.com/#!/LarrySabato/status/28465155041 **panic**

54 Way to go Pence!

He's running for Governor of Indiana in '12.. then he will run for President.

55 OT: CT has made it so anyone wearing WWE gear will be turned away at the polls

56 Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:07 PM (5NfIh)

Those races are both over. No way in hell 30% of Alaska voters are writing in  for Murky.  Miller can go ahead and start measuring for drapes. Buck is fine too

57 #56  Yankees lose!  The Yankees lose!!!!!

58 Buh Bye Yankees!!!

59 28 This senseless and bitter partisanship is futile and immature.  Apparently, Republicans still havent learned their lesson.  Obama is playing 3-D Chess. Posted by: David Brooks at October 22, 2010 10:43 PM (j4xgZ) And you're playing with yourself. How's your polymorphicly perverse polysyllabic prosery in praise of group butt sex, er, polydimensional phriendships playing out with the crowd, Brooksie? We know who your four BFFs are; do you? Here's a hint: double your pleasure on two legs. Oooo, good boy, Li'l Brookero! It's the four crisp seams on the two legs of the tented pants of Obi-Won! Dreamy creaminess!

60 OT: Rangers win! Happy to see that the team that my Rays lost to were good enough to go all the way, beating a team built to win it all (though poorly managed and underacheiving) and the World Champs is quite a feat, I remember watching my Rays go to the World Series for the first time in 08 so I know what Rangers fans are experiencing right now; congrats and Good Luck in the World Series

61 It is not hard...the Republicans need only say 3 (THREE) words, Out. Of. Money. now, what else you want to talk about? it ain't that hard for God's sake!

62 Yankees choking feels SO good here in Mets land.  It doesn't matter that the Mets suck forever.  When teams with the most money, teams that are supposed to win, do not, life is good....

63 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS Don't mess with Texas!!!!! Extra happy for Dubya (!) and Rick Perry, because it pisses off the libs even more than the damn Yankees losing to the TEXAS Rangers! *happy dance*

64 They had better shut the damn gubmint down...and they will not be faulted/blamed...obama has to VETO...that's what shut's it down!!!

65 Oh, yeah.  Rangers in the World Series.  Chew on that NY.

66 "Obama can...accept the New Mandate" Can his new mandate be Barney Frank?

67 Compromise hell. Squeeze the bastards till Soros sings the National Anthem on Fox News.

68 Yankees choking feels SO good here in Mets land.  It doesn't matter that the Mets suck forever.  When teams with the most money, teams that are supposed to win, do not, life is good....
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 22, 2010 11:16 PM

That was no choke.  They had their asses handed to them.

69  "In 2009, Obama refused to work with Republicans, refused to compromise."

Two different concepts. I believe Obama was eager to work with Republicans, just as long as that didn't involve compromising with them. He really, truly believed that because he won, the Republicans should have fallen into line behind him without question or complaint.

Posted by: stuiec at October 22, 2010 10:52 PM (chhYn)

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means...

70

So Bill Clinton may be “Rocking the Democratic Faithful,” but prudent voters should remember that his presidency was as failed as Barack Obama’s.

I don't know how you can call a guy who won 2 Presidential races a failure seeing as he did leave with a surplus and balanced the budget, yes granted he had his scandals, he disgraced the office, left w/ horendous favorables, poisoned a good atmosphere for Dems enough to have Dubya beat Gore, and he was the Republicans' bitch by making him do what they wanted; but i'd take him being our bitch and giving us hsi soap opera crap over what's happen under Obama and the Dhims

71 Very simple: STOP DEFICIT SPENDING, STOP INCREASING DEBT. If they don't get it after the midterm elections, the tea party movement has to keep it up and step it up. I don't care which party is in office, they need to get it that this shit of spending money like there is no tomorrow stops. I'm fed up enough to turn on members of either party.

72 That was no choke.  They had their asses handed to them.

Even better.  And yes, since President Bush once owned the franchise, the cosmic forces are aligning for 11/2.

Say, gosh, shouldn't the WS have begun already? Will it run into November?

73 Sickinmass, that's all fine, just as long as you remember that Slick Willie managed to get re-elected. We can NOT let that happen again. I don't think it is unreasonable to say to those worrying about "compromise" (I doubt it's what you think it is) that there is a point of overreaching after we win (knock on wood) that will turn the public against conservatives and Republicans in general, just as happened in 1996. I disagree that they were overreaching, but I remember public opinion quite well. One can easily argue that things are different now with the internets and everything, and that is true, but I don't think most people WANT to go from the far left to doctrinaire Goldwater conservatism overnight. At least serve it with honey rather than vinegar, so it goes down easier.

74 I'd offer Obama a great compromise.

A pen to sign the repeal of Obamacare everytime he asked for anything.

Oh, and I'm including the White House operating budget authorization here too.

Tell him, at least we didn't lock you out...

75 I'm not worried about the House, but the likely Senate has me concerned.

We won't have the majority, sad to say, at least that is my pessimistic thought, but will there be enough force to counter with 41 sure votes when we have the likes of the Maine twins, LeezaM, Scott Brown, and just a teensie few more assholes thinking bipartisanly enough to fuck things up?

All this, with The One bellowing from the bully pulpit that the Rs are all demons and obstructionists, beholden to their special interests?  And with the MFM screaming alongside him?

Posted by: Peasant-in-the-Forest at October 22, 2010 11:01 PM (4sQwu)

Nah.

The Era of the squish is over. Majority or Not in the Senate, at least half of those up for election in the next cycle, Dem OR Rep, will be very wary of sticking their head out by being the one to scuttle a popluar reform measure.

Obama bellowing will scare nobody, on either side. He's no Clinton, to make a comeback. And the MFM can't be worse than they are now, and nobody listens to them.

Reagan didn't have a majority in both houses. He got what he wanted. We will be able to craft a bill that will get plenty of Dem Defectors to go with us - not that we will need them.

76 75

So Bill Clinton may be “Rocking the Democratic Faithful,” but prudent voters should remember that his presidency was as failed as Barack Obama’s.

I don't know how you can call a guy who won 2 Presidential races a failure seeing as he did leave with a surplus and balanced the budget, yes granted he had his scandals, he disgraced the office, left w/ horendous favorables, poisoned a good atmosphere for Dems enough to have Dubya beat Gore, and he was the Republicans' bitch by making him do what they wanted; but i'd take him being our bitch and giving us hsi soap opera crap over what's happen under Obama and the Dhims

Posted by: YRM (The Youngest Ace Commenter Who Freaking Can't Wait Until Nov 2) at October 22, 2010 11:21 PM (xQuuU)

 

Hi, knowing you are the youngest commenter on AOS, make no mistake about it. The contract with America Republicans saved Bill Clintons fiscal ass.

77 "In 2009, Obama refused to work with Republicans, refused to compromise. He thought that this was a good strategy, that it would allow him to pursue his own half-baked ideas without adulteration by moderation and wisdom." Yeah, but it was good for us, because it showed the moderates and independents that all that crap about "hope and change", "changing the way things are done in Washington", "post partisan", and "post racial" was just a bunch of meaningless, campaign bullshit. Now the moderates and independents can start looking at real issues like debt, taxation, and size of government.

78

"His own half-baked ideas"

Ace, you're missing the forest for the trees. Obama has passed NOTHING. He has unblinkingly signed every special-interest written law passed by Congress.

He always talked about HIS health care bill, but he never, ever presented one. He kept his talking points regardless of what the various bills said.

 

I would like to propose "The Obama Principle"...for when the Peter Principle was fulfilled four jobs ago. It's sad to say of our president that he was in over his head when head of the Harvard Law Review.

79 i bet mark kirk makes some compromises w/ obama & the dems

80 I disagree that they were overreaching, but I remember public opinion quite well

It seems to me that all the damage that Republicans were going to take they took after the Media initially blamed them for the government shutdown. I'd have kept sending Clinton budgets with small tweaks and let him veto each one.

Eventually, "In the news today Bill Clinton vetoed another budget and the government is still shutdown." would have drowned out the MSM spin.

It does sound like  the Republicans have a strategy this time though - send up spending bills they want that Obama will sign, then send him the ones he'll veto. Make Obama initiatives take the hit...

81  Sickinmass, that's all fine, just as long as you remember that Slick Willie managed to get re-elected. We can NOT let that happen again.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:25 PM (5NfIh)

Willie got relected by being a Republican president in all but name his last 6 years, and he barely won the second time at that. He was a true politican - he knew that when its power or ideology, power wins out.

Obama is an idealist. He won't move to the center.

82 I'm not the youngest commenter by a long shot. Bill Clinton was saved by two things: Dick Morris, who pushed him to compromise with the GOP Congress and thereby claim credit for their successes (welfare reform, etc.), and Newt Gingrich, who was on most voters' shitlists in 1996. I am sure I need not remind anyone of the power of the LSM to shape public opinion.

83 No way in hell the Mohammedan Mouthpiece will compromise. Expect pressure exerted through his pet union thugs, Eric Shabazz Holder's Department of Justice for Some, "Presidential Findings" and "Executive Orders."

For the last two years, Osama Obama has held Congress in contempt unless it did his will. He doesn't understand compromise; instead, he has relied -- and will continue to rely -- on the ways of his tight totalitarian buddyroos like Chavez.

This will not end well. We are moving ever closer to catastrophe, no matter how many Repubs get elected. Only a show of unified opposition, patriotic strength and, sadly likely some spilled blood will keep the vengeful, treasonous, American-hating goon in the White House from completing his mission of revenge.

84 I went to repub hq today to get the list for those who have already voted in my precinct.  115 voters, but hey its more than Newsweek's.

Anywho, it breaks down to R 48% , D 23% and I 28%.

My precinct registration is 35 D, 31 R and 33 I.

So far so good.  Assuming we capture half the I, Wave Baby.

85 87 I'm not the youngest commenter by a long shot. Bill Clinton was saved by two things: Dick Morris, who pushed him to compromise with the GOP Congress and thereby claim credit for their successes (welfare reform, etc.), and Newt Gingrich, who was on most voters' shitlists in 1996.
I am sure I need not remind anyone of the power of the LSM to shape public opinion.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:30 PM (5NfIh)

 

Yep!!

86 I don't know how you can call a guy who won 2 Presidential races a failure seeing as he did leave with a surplus and balanced the budget

When Bill Clinton left office the 9/11 plot was well on its way to completion. Our National Security apparatus and military were weak, and the economy was in a recession.

I'd say that is indicative of a pretty big failure.

I'd also point out he had the opportunity to try and reform entitlements and SS and choose to kick the can.

87 Oldcat, I agree with you, up until "he won't move to the center." I think that's wishful thinking. My gut tells me you're right that he won't, but I have learned, never assume such things. I don't underestimate that fucker's NEED for power.

88 When Bill Clinton left office the 9/11 plot was well on its way to completion. Our National Security apparatus and military were weak, and the economy was in a recession That's just the point. He WAS re-elected, and look what happened. And he was nowhere NEAR as bad as Obama. Look at the damage he's already done, can you imagine after eight years? *faints*

89 It does sound like  the Republicans have a strategy this time though - send up spending bills they want that Obama will sign, then send him the ones he'll veto. Make Obama initiatives take the hit...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2010 11:29 PM (bgcml)

If the bills are small and precisely targeted, both sides will know what is being voted on, and so will the people. If the bill seems a good one, the opposer will suffer. If a bad one, the supporters will. Both sides can be held to account.

No more  "I voted for A and B to get C", while others voted for "A and C to get B". A gets passed with nobody on the hook for it.

90 OT: Random thought (after much bourbon) Juan Williams fired == "AF is short of fresh water" Discuss (at your peril)

91 Sickinmass, that's all fine, just as long as you remember that Slick Willie managed to get re-elected. We can NOT let that happen again.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:25 PM (5NfIh)

I agree - one of the big things we need to keep in mind is what happens every time we put up a Dole or a McCain. We need a candidate with public charisma and a conservative record. Baring the Republican congress working some kind of economic miracle while it the same time letting Obama take all the credit - that should be enough.

92 I am sure I need not remind anyone of the power of the LSM to shape public opinion.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:30 PM (5NfIh)

Not as much so anymore, hence the growth of the Tea Parties.

93 Where the hell is Dave in Texas?  The Rangers just won a trip to the world series!!!!

94

No more  "I voted for A and B to get C", while others voted for "A and C to get B". A gets passed with nobody on the hook for it.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2010 11:34 PM (CN+Qv)

Yep. I wonder if Obama will try to head some of this off by vetoing something popular that will come up early - like DoD or Veterans affairs?

I can see one strategy where he and the State Media call this process a game and still claim the Republican House is shutting down the government. I don't see it working...but if he doesn't try this, the Republicans will be able to defund things like Obamacare with ease...

95 Oldcat, I agree with you, up until "he won't move to the center." I think that's wishful thinking. My gut tells me you're right that he won't, but I have learned, never assume such things. I don't underestimate that fucker's NEED for power.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:33 PM (5NfIh)

If Obama was going to move to the center...wouldn't he start now? Caving RIGHT NOW on the Bush tax cuts with some fig leaf might save him a dozen House seats...

96

but if he doesn't try this, the Republicans will be able to defund things like Obamacare with ease...

They damn well better if they win!!

97 Or, for Palin fans, sounds like a man who's running for Vice President, or Secretary of Commerce.

Speaking as one Palin fan, Pence is an acceptable alternative, depending on what the primary looks like when it hits my state.  And, obviously, on how House Republicans behave for the next two years.

98 We need a candidate with public charisma and a conservative record. We don't need a Dole or McCain, but we also don't need a Republican version of Obama, another charismatic telegenic lightweight, IYKWIMAITYD. PLEASE. I really, really, really want us back in the White House so we can stop the freaking bleeding (literally, overseas, and metaphorically).

99 Oldcat, I agree with you, up until "he won't move to the center." I think that's wishful thinking. My gut tells me you're right that he won't, but I have learned, never assume such things. I don't underestimate that fucker's NEED for power.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:33 PM (5NfIh)

Need is one thing, Ability to get it is another. He's no politician. Bill was. Bill could worm his way back into the picture because he's likeable and acutally helped us get some things we wanted through - Welfare Reform, Nafta.

What we want now is to reverse everything he's done. There's no Win in it for him politically.

Obama has been dragged upward all his life by others wanting to use him. There's nobody above him to drag anymore.

100

Obama is through.  He is not capable at anything.  That will not change.  He's toast.

 

101 We don't need a Dole or McCain, but we also don't need a Republican version of Obama, another charismatic telegenic lightweight, IYKWIMAITYD.

PLEASE. I really, really, really want us back in the White House so we can stop the freaking bleeding (literally, overseas, and metaphorically).

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:40 PM (5NfIh)

You mean, like Reagan was? Those were the exact words used to dismiss him.

102

You mean, like Reagan was? Those were the exact words used to dismiss him.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2010 11:42 PM (CN+Qv)

 

That was then, this is now!!

103 Obama has been dragged upward all his life by others wanting to use him. There's nobody above him to drag anymore.

EXACTLY....never accomplished 1 thing!

104 O/T:  A story from the Green room about CBS fellating the ChiComs.

Of more interest is that my mind isn't parsing 'tyranny' quite right.  But it would improve the story if it was about a Chinese communist tranny...

105 This will not end well. We are moving ever closer to catastrophe, no matter how many Repubs get elected

Well, politics as usual won't work.

If the Republicans try the same old same old...We tried to get rid of Obamacare but he vetoed our bill! we'll try again after 2012! Honest! we all lose. Hell, the Republican party probably loses its lease on life.

But if they do fight we've got a change. The House is the most important branch in terms of the budget and we can use that.

We'll need the Senate minority we'll have (most likely) to show some backbone too, but I hold out less hope here.

Still, seeing DeMint hammering the point home is a positive first sign. So not all hope is lost yet.

106

Yep. I wonder if Obama will try to head some of this off by vetoing something popular that will come up early - like DoD or Veterans affairs?

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2010 11:38 PM (bgcml)

That would be just about the worst tactic. He has to find a fig leaf to hide behind in order to survive. Even for his own side. That was the lesson the R's failed to see in the later Clinton years. The impeachment and shutdown were seen as games, not serious work. Those in charge got the bulk of the blame.

107 "Of course, he also really, truly believed that his agenda would fix the economy instantly, so he saw no need to compromise on any part of it" stuic, #39 Absolutely correct. His Awesomeness' recently admitting that there is no such thing as "shovel ready jobs" is something that he should have known back when he pushed porkulus. The fact that he didn't know shows just how inexperienced, and clueless of how things work in the real world he is. He's president of the U.S. and he didn't know that there is a lengthy period of time between when a spending bill gets signed, and when construction workers actually start building the bridges and roads. Guess Mr. Genius Man didn't know about things like drawing up plans and doing environmental studies.

108 Obama's Presidency is just  a campaign to become Secretary General of the United Nations.

109

Obama is a fruitcake.  He's done.

110 We don't need a Dole or McCain, but we also don't need a Republican version of Obama, another charismatic telegenic lightweight, IYKWIMAITYD.

I can't overstate out how important charisma is.

Look at this chain of presidential winners;

Obama vs McCain
Bush vs Kerry
Bush vs Gore
Clinton vs Dole
Clinton vs Bush
Bush vs Dukakis
Reagan vs Mondale
Reagan vs Carter

In every single election the candidate the public saw as more charismatic won...

111 Fool me once shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me....If the Republicans don't go in and kick some a** they will be done...and I mean done as a Party....this is their only chance....don't screw it up!!!!  Mr. Pence has it completely right.

112 Caving RIGHT NOW on the Bush tax cuts with some fig leaf might save him a dozen House seats... It sure would, but how would that help HIM get re-elected? His chances of re-election increase when we take back the Hill, like it or not. It's their (and our) job to not fuck it up. Think about it - it's a lot easier for him to run for re-election when people aren't furious at Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid. They're paying for his sins, and he would pay for theirs if they were to still be around. I don't think he minds all THAT much that they're going away; he got what he wanted most of all, that healthscare monstrosity that has his name affectionately attached to it. He's getting DADT repealed, he TRIED cap and trade and card check, he got all kinds of awful shit done that has to be thrown out either via the courts or in Congress, and that's not going to happen without a fight, and all the voters will have a front row seat to watch. I don't mean to sound like a wet blanket, I'm just trying to think in the most pragmatic, left-brained way possible, because someone has to at least put the pragmatism out there. LOL I'm not immune to what you're saying, either.

113 18-1.........Clinton beat HWB because of 'no new taxes' and Perot.....

114 If the Republicans try the same old same old...We tried to get rid of Obamacare but he vetoed our bill! we'll try again after 2012! Honest! we all lose. Hell, the Republican party probably loses its lease on life.

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2010 11:44 PM (bgcml)

That's why I like the little bill approach. Each can start to fix a part, reign in the budget on something, do anything to give investors and the world a chance to hope for something good instead of the next disaster.

Then some of that money might come out of the deposit box and loosen things up for everyone.

Things were awful - move awful in Carter years, and the foreign threat was far far stonger. We were out and moving up inside of three years, and it lasted for pretty much a generation until everyone forgot how bad it had been.

115

In both the Clinton elections, he had help from a conservative third party candidate.

116 18-1, I agree, it definitely can't be overstated. I just don't want another empty suit. Charisma alone gave us Obama. Some people talk about Mitch Daniels, and on paper he's great. He's boring as hell, though. (Nevermind his INFUCKINGSANE ideas about VAT, which pretty much disqualifies anyone in my book.) @Depoe Dave - it's rhetoric like yours that scares me, that's what brings out the radical pragmatist in me. LOL

117 In every single election the candidate the public saw as more charismatic won...

Posted by: 18-1 at October 22, 2010 11:47 PM (bgcml)

Partly self fufilling. If Clinton had not won in 1992, instead of Charismatic he would have been seen as a nasty philandering hack.

118 Rabidfox, in 1996, there was not a credible conservative third party candidate. I know, I worked my ass off in that election. It wasn't a factor. Clinton won, Dole lost.

119 Not completely on board. There is a difference between compromising with Obama on Dem issues and compromising with Obama on Rep issues.

No one gets one-hundred of what they want - ever. There should be no compromise on anything that raises taxes or increases the debt.

But I dont know how swing voters will react to two years of GOP leadership just sitting on its hands and doing nothing.

Pence does sound like he is pandering to the base a bit.

120 and it lasted for pretty much a generation until everyone forgot how bad it had been. THIS ^^^ It's like every generation has to learn the same fucking lesson over again, YOU DO NOT PUT LIBERAL IDEOLOGUES IN CHARGE. EVER. *sigh*

121 Fuck everything else - the Rangers won the AL Pennant.

122

Partly self fufilling. If Clinton had not won in 1992, instead of Charismatic he would have been seen as a nasty philandering hack.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 22, 2010 11:54 PM (CN+Qv)

Even after Clinton's sexual harassment became public he was pretty popular. 

The think that finally killed his popularity was the sale of pardons, and even that might only be temporary.

So for as much as I don't like the guy, yeah, he's got charisma.

123

Obama's comeuppance on November 2nd shall be something to be savored. As for Pence?  Sure.  I could vote for Pence.  Or Sarah Palin.  Or Herman Cain.  Or.. Ken Cuccinelli Or....just about anybody who has common sense.

As long as it isn't retreads like Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and the rest of last cycle's also rans.  I don't count Palin as part of that group,btw.

124

It sure would, but how would that help HIM get re-elected? His chances of re-election increase when we take back the Hill, like it or not. It's their (and our) job to not fuck it up.
I don't mean to sound like a wet blanket, I'm just trying to think in the most pragmatic, left-brained way possible, because someone has to at least put the pragmatism out there. LOL I'm not immune to what you're saying, either.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:50 PM (5NfIh)

You first statement isn't true. A President has to lead. Even big changes really only impact marginally. Bush won or lost on the War, not whatever he passed. Even deficits usually hang on the party in charge - Democrats in the 80s, Us in the 2000s

Obama is a foreign policy idiot, and his big ideas are a disaster. If we pass a lot of stuff, be it good or bad, he looks like an ineffectual goof. His own zealots will hate him for signing, everyone else will if he vetoes pointlessly.  Being Doctor No hurt Truman pretty badly as president, despite the rehabilitation everyone tried later.

If our policies don't work, we may get turned out in 2012. But Obama probably will as well, by a R or another D. I don't see a win here for him.

125

Even after Clinton's sexual harassment became public he was pretty popular. 

Well it was never reflected in his personal or job approval ratings, which were always low. But all that's moot in the scenario where Bush runs a decent campaign and pulls it out, or Perot doesn't run. Because we wouldn't have had all that time to see his good and bad sides. It would have been all Geniffer Flowers and Arkansas corruption.

126 Rabidfox, in 1996, there was not a credible conservative third party candidate. I know, I worked my ass off in that election. It wasn't a factor. Clinton won, Dole lost.

Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:55 PM (5NfIh)

Perot sucked off a large fraction in 1996. Clinton did not get 50 percent.

127 Obama vs McCain
Bush vs Kerry
Bush vs Gore
Clinton vs Dole
Clinton vs Bush
Bush vs Dukakis
Reagan vs Mondale
Reagan vs Carter

You're right and I wish my link fu was good enough to show in video what you mean.

128 Rabidfox, in 1996, there was not a credible conservative third party candidate. I know, I worked my ass off in that election. It wasn't a factor. Clinton won, Dole lost. Posted by: Beth at October 22, 2010 11:55 PM

Bob Dole did all that Bob Dole could do to win that election.  It wasn't Bob Dole's fault that Viagra didn't come along until 1998.

129 Perot got a large fraction in 1992, not 1996.

130 And it can be argued easily that it was what cost Dole the election, but he took a lot of Clinton votes in '96, too. His biggest impact was in 1992, where most of his votes came from would-be Bush voters.

131
You're spreading misinformation.

Obama is perfect in every way.  Racists.

132 Sure it was a titanic piece in 1992  by third party terms, but it was still large by historical standards in 1996. Clinton did not reach 50 percent either time.

133 139 Sure it was a titanic piece in 1992  by third party terms, but it was still large by historical standards in 1996. Clinton did not reach 50 percent either time.

Posted by: Oldcat at October 23, 2010 12:22 AM (CN+Qv)

8 million votes, roughly what Dole lost by

134
Oh look - voter fraud, it tastes like democrat.

135 GOP Must Not Compromise With Obama

No confidence here, the reasons being as follows: McCain, Graham, Snowe, and Collins. And this is only the Senate contingent.

136 Oh look - voter fraud, it tastes like democrat.

Posted by: Juji Fruit at October 23, 2010 12:26 AM (0fzsA)

Until this kind of shit starts getting actively prosecuted, it will only get worse. Remember ACORN? Yeah, after a few weeks of politicians flapping their jaws in outrageous outrage... almost nothing happened.

Ah, but there I go again. Expecting laws that would be politically inconvenient (especially for Democrats) to actually be enforced. Illegal immigrants? Never heard or 'em! I only see poor, undocumented workers being exploited by evil corporate racists! Voter fraud! Bah! It was all a misunderstanding. How was anyone supposed to know that half of Democrat votes come from dead people? Really! There are 50 people with the same name living on a vacant lot! What? Rangel/ Geither/ etc/ are tax cheats? Honest mistake! Won't happen again... much. Whaddaya mean that politicians are multimillionaires with no discernible income other than their government salary? They just had a good broker that invested estates they inherited from 1000 dead grandparents.

Or, if all else fails... they would start locking the people up, but the prisons are full and the courts are backlogged! Who would you rather have in jail anyway? A guy who made a mistake on his taxes/ forgot to report that his 12 grandmothers died 10 years ago/ Paco the Lawn Guy or murderers/ rapists/ evil Wall St. people?

Let's take it a step further... funny how our Spock-like, Constitutional Scholar President hasn't managed to appoint judges to fill the vast amount of vacancies in 2 years. He's been busy, you know. Had to go to Copenhagen and bring back the Olympics, go on Oprah, the View, the Tonight Show, and MythBusters... not to mention vacations. Leave him alone and let him eat his waffle and buy his shrimp.

137 In 2009, Obama refused to work with Republicans, refused to compromise. He thought that this was a good strategy, that it would allow him to pursue his own half-baked ideas without adulteration by moderation and wisdom or fucking common sense.

Sorry, Ace.

You are a better writer than I but I couldn't leave that alone.

FIFM (Fixed It For ME!)

138 We won?

139 Keep it down morons im trying to sleep!

140 If a Republican so much as tips his hat to a dummycrat, I want his ass primaried.

141

Pence is saying the right words - the words of purity.  No compromise with the lieing socialists who have brought us to the precipace of doom and destruction.

McConnell is on the wrong side, and between his "well we can't undo Obamacare" and "we have to take care of Mircowitz she's one of us" I hope DeMint has worked up the chits to kick his sorry ass to the kerb as Senate Majority or Minority Leader. 

142 Here's how I compromise:

I am running for President in 2012. Here is my inauguration speech (yes, it is a bit presumptuous, but it's also what I am running on; so call it what you will)

My fellow Americans:
First, I would like to introduce the man in the black hood next to me. I have just appointed him to head up the Justice Department. We'll come back to him in a moment.

Next, I would like to announce that a full audit is due on my desk by January 31st from all government agencies. If these agencies fail to comply, they are dissolved effective February 1st. If anyone feels that they cannot meet this Executive Order, I will accept their resignation immediately.

Any agency that  cannot account for every taxpayer dollar, demonstrate it's valid, Constitutional use, or shows a purchase which exceeds market value of any item by more than 5% will be prosecuted.

Which brings me back to my new head of the Justice Department. He will be overseeing the swift transition of this platform on the Capital steps that I am standing on being immediately converted to a gallows. Conveniently enough, he brought a supply of rope with him and there are several scissor lifts nearby, so this should be rapidly completed.

Once that is done, he will be meeting with each member of Congress to review their budgets. You might as well start forming a line now. Any member that is found to be in violation of any law, no matter how slight, in connection with their office will be considered guilty of treason against the United States and to have committed and Act of War. You will then be escorted back to the converted platform.

Now, I have work to do, so I hope you will excuse me.

143

Its Political Physics

C=NP³

Republican compromise, equals New Party 3....

144

"lazy, incompetent ass"

On or before Jan. 2013, please, we shall be rid of it, deep-sixed like none prior.

I'd say if Dims lose both houses and tie or exceed 1894 in the House, Ogabe doesn't show for work post-Asian 'statesmanship' tour.

145

When the GOP was in power al the dems could do was w`hine about bi-partisanship and reaching across the aisle.  As soon as the dems took over it was "We won, you lost!

No compromise, period.  Any GOP member of congress that even hints at it should be told, straight up, you just cut your own throat.  Our only hope is to fight fire with fire.

146 Obama will be out of the country for the elections. He'll wait for a few news cycles to pass before returning.  Then I'm sure the story will be that people were upset that change did not happen fast enough.

Then the next two years are going to be a battle of the wills.   Newsweek style propaganda ad nauseam verses the new media, which the administration, Soros, unions, et al, will try to silence.  I would like to think that the USA would not riot like France, but that is wishful thinking in some areas.

Maracaibo is the region in Venezuela that makes the money, but there was rioting and tear gas there yesterday outside of the city hall because people were not getting paid.  (My friend's wife works across the street from the mayor's office and had to evacuate)  They are not in lock step with Chavez, so they get the slow pay treatment.  People are faced with either succumbing and voting in the Chavez goon so the gravy flows, or electing someone decent to replace the mayor in exile.  It's the SOS.

Stalin and Mao could of given a rat's ass how many millions they starved to advance their political goals.  Having taken about everything else, Chavez is taking over the food supply --and let 90,000 tons of food rot on the docks because of the soviet quality graft and inefficiencies being put in place.

Obama could care less if people in the gulf oil industry suffer because that does not fit his ideology.   They lift the ban for show (before the election) but continue to tie companies up in red tape.

So few in the administration have any real world experience.  They admire Chavez like dems admired Mussolini.

Compromise?  Hell no.

147 LOLZ

148 It's not just bad policy, it's horrendous politics. Obama is a failure -- why would anyone seek to twine his fate with a crashing star?

That's a very salient point, I think.

Though I don't doubt that there some of the "concerned" that would decry pursuing this tack for other than straight policy reasons.

It's just not all about civic virtue, the Constitution and "doing what's right", most of the time.

No matter how insanely successful "our side" is come Nov. 3rd, it's gonna be a tough slog for many (boring) years to come.

We're not only going to have to hold their feet to the fire in D.C. but also be prepared to seed the ground for defending them to the "moderates" next door when they may take some very decidedly "immoderate" but necessary decisions.

That's my hope at least.  (That they will take some "immoderate" decisions.)

But it ain't gonna be pretty and you'd better believe it won't go any better for "our team" if we approach it with the attitude that the Dems did in 2009.

Politics in a free society is always about persuading people.

Sometimes you have to keep persuading the same group of retards (moderates) over and over and over again. (STG these people almost make me believe in adult ADDT!)

But them's the breaks...

Unless you secretly want to be Tom Friedman or something...

149 I apparently suck at finding out where people migrate to. I am deseeded from the Coffee Shop and if anyone can point me to a place to blither on incessantly online in real time, let me know.

150 This will lead to gridlock. The economy and the stock market love gridlock. These folks won't even be able to agree on what day of the week it is. And that's what the founding fathers had in mind with a divided government. The more they argue, the less damage they do.

151 GOP to Obama, 2011: We Won.

152 Pence for President
Palin for VP
John Bolton for Secretary of State
Petraeus for Secretary of Defense
Let Petraeus pick the National Security Advisor
Let Bolton pick the UN Ambassador
Let Palin pick NASA chief

153 This will lead to gridlock. The economy and the stock market love gridlock. These folks won't even be able to agree on what day of the week it is. And that's what the founding fathers had in mind with a divided government. The more they argue, the less damage they do.

Are you being snarky and I'm missing it?

What about Baseline Budgeting?

The CBO defines the baseline as a benchmark for measuring the budgetary effects of proposed changes in federal revenue or spending, with the assumption that current budgetary policies or current services are continued without change.

The baseline includes automatic adjustments for inflation and anticipated increases in program participation.

Baseline, or current services, budgeting, therefore builds automatic, future spending increases into Congress's budgetary forecasts.

I'm no Monty or anything but I'm pretty damned sure that political gridlock is not even a short-term solution to some of the woes headed our way.

154 I was wondering when someone was going to mention Mike "VAT" Pence's nickname.

Thanks, Beth.

How soon we forget.

155 Secondly if anyone thinks we can cure our fiscal nightmare by cuts alone while ignoring our tax structure and policies is dreaming. Daniels never said he was for the VAT, he said we have to look at our tax policies that would encourage savings over consumption and the VAT or lowering the standard deduction could be possibilities.

I for one don't imagine that we can cure our fiscal nightmare by cuts alone.

I think that all of us are going to have to pay a lot more in taxes than we currently are.

I think that the LAST thing anyone who is interested in the size of our deficit should do is encourage or even entertain a VAT tax.

It is deliberate obscurity!

Baked in the pie, no way to avoid it and no way to track it

156 Pence is right.

But I am surprised that ace agrees after that post yesterday.

As for above comments saying we need a tax increase, not only no but.......you get the picture.

Revenue goes up with a tax cut until you reach a certain point. In addition, every damn time we have given congress a tax increase the deficit has gone up. Not only does it stifle business, but it gives the tax and spend commies the idea they can spend even more. They always increase spending more than the amount of the tax increase.

What we need is a cut in spending. A huge cut.

157 Wouldn't it be schadenfrade-y when, after the election, Barry would make a speech about compromise and "working together to solve the nations problems" and Mike Pence would say "We won" ?

Heh. How about if Barry tried to lecture a bunch of uncompromising Republican Congresscritters in a sit-down and one of them said condescendingly, "The campaign's over, Barack."

158 I am going to say three little words.

Beware Eric Cantor.

159 We don't need a Dole or McCain, but we also don't need a Republican version of Obama, another charismatic telegenic lightweight, IYKWIMAITYD.

I know what you mean, but the resemblance is strictly superficial. Palin does not pal around with terrorists, worship with a preacher who makes anti-Americanism a religion, play leftist to the left and centrist to the center, promise transparency while hiding her political background -- I could go on. Do you think she'd be a lightweight as president?

160 Palin for VP

After reading Going Rogue, I'm convinced she will never again co-star in a show that she doesn't run.

161 The first step in reducing spending wold be to restore every department budget to what it was during the last year the Republicans held congress. A one line decree is all that would take. The next step would be a bill that makes ALL the Bush tax cuts permanent. That would send the signal to buisness that tax increases are not coming and they can begin hiring. (more later)

The next step would be department by department total elimination of useless agencies.

Once that has been accomplished devise a bill that either repeals health scam or defunds it, let Obama pick which one he will take. Keep in mind that defunding can be accomplished by targeted budget bills.

After business has recovered 1 - 2 years of Republican congress and a new Republican conservative President is elected and another RINO purge has occurred we can tackle the tough stuff like SS and Mediscam with an eye towards privatizing both.

162
Secondly if anyone thinks we can cure our fiscal nightmare by cuts alone while ignoring our tax structure and policies is dreaming.

I must be dreaming because I know it will work. Just like securing the border is 90% of the 'fix' to our illegal invasion problem, cutting spending is 90% of the cure to remedy our fiscal problems.

163 Neither did GWB, did he do such a great job?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 23, 2010 06:16 AM (GZitp)

GWB had some bad liberal tendencies but he was actually more conservative than a lot of people give him credit for.

He was continually hampered by RINOs who crossed the aisle and stabbed him in the back on his priorities like reforming SS, energy, and taxes.

So everyone uses the fact that he was a squish to run more squishes in blue states and in the future for President?  Yeah, remember, only McCain can beat Hillary AND he will turn some blue States for us. Hahahahahaha. He turned some States alright.

He, let's see who the press and the MFM wants for us to run in in 2012.  All we have to do is believe all the negative stories about conservatives.

164 This thread has some serious issues with something. It keeps hanging up at post 95 and takes multiple page refreshes to get it updated.

165
yeah, the same thing was happening yesterday morning

166
btw, the other 10% of the cure to the illegal invasion is to end the anchor baby crap.

1) secure the border
2) no more anchor babies
3) profit!

167 btw, the other 10% of the cure to the illegal invasion is to end the anchor baby crap.

1) secure the border
2) no more anchor babies
3) profit!

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2010 06:37 AM (BPptn)

I saw a web site the other day that was following this. 14 States have parallel efforts to pass the same bill locally that would remove the anchor baby interpretation.

Keep in mind that SCOTUS has never ruled directly on this.

168 What are you going to cut to bring the budget even close to being balanced?

I gave a road map above.

169 Well, I hope this new Republican congress is more constructive than the last Republican congress...they gave us more Daylight Savings Time, for which we will always be grateful   /sark off

170 39 "In 2009, Obama refused to work with Republicans, refused to compromise."

Two different concepts. I believe Obama was eager to work with Republicans, just as long as that didn't involve compromising with them. He really, truly believed that because he won, the Republicans should have fallen into line behind him without question or complaint. Of course, he also really, truly believed that his agenda would fix the economy instantly, so he saw no need to compromise on any part of it - he thought he was generously offering to let Republicans share the credit for his inevitable, massive success and saw them as ingrates for rejecting his magnanimous offer.

Posted by: stuiec at October 22, 2010 10:52 PM (chhYn)

Late to the party but wanted to say, stuiec, that this is an excellent point.  It shows his arrogance in his belief that he's absolutely correct in his thinking, yet in his magnificent munificence, he was willing to share the glory he so rightfully deserves.  When the Repubs weren't buying his shit sandwich, and he owned it all by his -- and the Dems -- lonesome, The Glare and the rhetoric of demonization came out.  We're just too stupid to get it/anger doesn't allow us to think properly/etc.

I never looked at the situation in the way which you described.  It makes perfect sense, though.  Obama actually thought he was being generous, magnanimous even.

Obama can never move to the right even the teensiest little bit.  In his eyes, such a politcally astute compromise would make him the failure, not the enemy Republicans.

171 Looks like today will be dedicated to bashing NPR on Fox again.

Has anyone here been watching any of the other "news"? If so how are they carrying this issue?

172 Neither did GWB, did he do such a great job?

I'm not sure whether your point is that Palin can't beat Obama or that she can't be a good prez. Actually, it was Beth's point, so maybe you two should go talk while I get some sleep.

173 Posted by: RickZ at October 23, 2010 07:07 AM (vGy3W)

I didn't see it that way. Of course we have to rely on media coverage, but from what I saw, his call to work with Republicans was nothing more than rhetoric.

In fact, if you go back and look at 99% of everything he has said for the past 2 years in all of his canned speeches, it all has been nothing but rhetoric.

And really applying common sense how could it be anything else?  He called for a bill and then he turned the entire thing over to Nanny Nan. The House with the overwhelming majority then passed what the Dems wanted with no regard to Republicans. On top of that, what they would pass was directly opposite some of the things that OBama kept saying over and over about "his bill".

The Senate would take it up and pass what they wanted. When the joint committee met to reconcile differences in some cases they even locked Republicans out of the meeting!

I hope damn Republicans remember this.

174 What got Clinton reelected was Perot. In 2012, however, if there is a third party, the third party will win. That is because by that time, if things stay as they are now, people will realize that government, as it is now, is not working. The DNC and RNC are both different without distinctions. Who ever is in power makes the problems, then in the next election cycle, the other side promises to fix said problems. Ad infinitum.

175
A bulwark, a keep
a fortress to stop teh progs;
reach across, fill wallet.

176 Looks like today will be dedicated to bashing NPR on Fox again.

 Is there ever really enough of that to go around?


I hope damn Republicans remember this.

Too bad for them...the majority is awake now.

177 reach across, fill wallet.

Isn't that just the essence of the problem

178 Glad to see Pence gets it; would feel a lot better if McConnell got it, too. Then, there're those two birds from Maine - a dodo from SC ... Pence is dead on about 1995 - too much compromise. No cojones. We let Slick blame us for shutting down the Gummint, and did nothing about it. Can't go that way again.

179 SOMETHING NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT:

Even if Republicans do not achieve a numerical majority in the Senate in November, they will likely have a DE FACTO MAJORITY because so many Dem Senators up for re-election in 2012 will be scared shitless to veer left lest they lose their jobs like so many of their liberal friends did.

180 The goal shouldnbe to rack up as many vetos as possi le. campaign on n shiznit. So yeah. Set sights. Not laws. But proven intensions. Somethingnthe left knows nothing about. Hi-oh silver
...If they don't get a veto, they lose.

181 If someone doesn't fix this site soon, I'll be forced to go do something productive.....damnit.

182 197 It's not just me having trouble loading it than?

183 No, it's f'd up.  If I read comment #95 or #120 one more time, I'll scream.

184 It loads slow for me also.

185
Has anyone here been watching any of the other "news"? If so how are they carrying this issue?

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2010 07:10 AM (/jbAw)

The real war is being waged at the NPR Ombudsman thread at NPR dot org.  Thousands of posts with plenty of opportunity to do battle with moonbats, dweebs, dorks, nerds, and pussies. 

The preponderance of posters are elitist liberals who decry the biased Fox News, but listen feverishly to NPR for their "balanced reporting."  When challenged about the exclusive liberal thought process and presentation of NPR, they react with standard liberal retort.  Only an uninformed and unintelligent member of the proletariat would consider NPR anything other than fair and balanced.

Well, fuck liberals and their National Progressive Radio!  Defend the cock suckers once and for all!

186 Well, if you're wondering how the Senate Republicans will behave post-election, just remember how they acted pre-election with the Kagan hearings.

187 The strategy needs to be - pass a clean Obamacare repeal out of the House, as a budgetary item, forcing Dims in the Senate to vote against it or send it to Obama for a veto. Get them on the record, do it a couple of times in slightly different flavors. Then defund the mess by attaching provisions to the Medicare funding bill. Let them veto or vote against that, same with SS bill - both as budgetary items - no fillibusters.

188 Teh site is so slow a further pox be upon pixie, gerbils deserve Gere.

189 I fear we have seen the Republicans at their most 'feisty' during the run-up to the elections. I think this is the best we're gonna get from these pussies.

190 204 That would be a Haiku if pixie did not hate us.

191 No compromise is not good enough! Anything less than disassembling every federal agency and department like it's Texas and they have a chainsaw with a full tank is completely fucking unacceptable.

192 12 December 2010 headline: "GOP Majority Vows to Work with Obama".
12 December 1940 alternate headline: "Jews in Warsaw Ghetto Turn in Guns, Vow to Work with Oberstgruppenführer".

Never give up... never surrender!
http://jpfo.org/

193

Of course we have to rely on media coverage, but from what I saw, his call to work with Republicans was nothing more than rhetoric.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2010 07:19 AM (/jbAw)

Vic, what I saw was his call for Republicans to work with him, that was his compromise, not the other way around.  Once the Congressional Republicans said no to the I Won!, that was the end of Obama's attempt at 'compromise'.

Yes, it was rhetoric, as rhetoric is all Obama knows.  But I think he thought by sharing the credit for his brilliant vision, the Repubbies would hop on board with his program faster than the dead vote twice in Chicago.  When  that didn't happen, when he was personally rejected, the knives and dagger-like stares and insults came out.  But being from Chicago, that is his understanding of 'compromise':  My way or the highway.  Clinton having been a governor in a rather conservative state, knew better as he actually lived it.  That whole Obama and lack of experience argument again.

194 For the last three mornings the last thread from the previous night (or early A.M.) loads screwy.

195
I fear we have seen the Republicans at their most 'feisty' during the run-up to the elections. I think this is the best we're gonna get from these pussies.

Posted by: Soothsayer at October 23, 2010 08:40 AM (DTy7x)

Republicans who talked a good game to assure reelection, or seek to "cross the aisle" to coalesce with their liberal butt-buddies will find themselves in trouble again in '12.  The nonsense is over, and we great unwashed will no longer tolerate the "go along to get along" approach to governance. 

It's a new day in America, and the people will have spoken on election day, but that's not the end game but only the beginning.  The wussified conservatives, RINO's, and other species that dilly-dally and obfuscate to appease their weekend golf buddies in the liberal intelligentsia will be called out and forced to admit their conspiracy to "get along",  and then be forced under the bus while we drive over their bloated bodies.

196 I don't think "compromise", aisle crossing, or even meek and mild "gentlemanly disagreement" is going to get it done this time.

Hey Republican polls looking at this site this morning; listen to this:

MOM AND POP ARE IN THE STREETS! That has never happened before. You had better wake the fk up. A lot of the RINOs got primaried out and there are a lot like Lindsay who would have got the boot as well IF he had been up for reelection.

People are MAD and they are fed up.

197 211 But we would win DE with Castle!!(I know,ace pisses me off on this subject)

198 Well said Ace- This GOP better understand that this is not like every other time- any compromise will be seen as an acceptance of Obamas radical agenda. Promote our agenda and let Barry veto it. We have survived 2 years of Democrat rule and policies- 2 years of complete gridlock will look like a vacation in the South Pacific.

199 I have never understood why people accept the MFM telling them that "gridlock" or "Party of No" is bad.

200 You want to keep the Pubs focused. Make sure the Tea party or conservatives have a credible candidate or two wandering around every district and State with an incumbent squish Pub. No official announcements - just a hovering presence.

201 215 Stupid people(the majority,alas) accept it because they don't follow politics.Look what happened to Gingrich after the 94 sweep.

202

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2010 09:03 AM (HFWSx)

Sure we would have a lock on Delaware with Castle, but what have you won?  Another liberal republican who votes with the democrats, sucks face with the opposition, and then at election time, comes back with dick-in-hand talking about all the good conservative values he has espoused?

Boot the RINO bitch from the party and even if we lose Delaware with Christine, in the next cycle we can fund a better candidate to go against Chris Crunt.  The Battle of Leyte Gulf wasn't won in a day.

203 >Neither did GWB, did he do such a great job? < It's all about possibility and potential. He had it, Obama doesn't.

204 Anyone watch "Blue Bloods" last night? There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were? Granted, there was a twist (as in they were a convert but)... they mentioned radical Imams. he he he

205 218 I'm with you,I was being sarcastic because ace doesn't agree.I want the RINO cancers out and scare preRinos into not going that way.Castle was useful lesson no matter how you slice it.

206 Anyone watch "Blue Bloods" last night? There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were?

really? a TV show depicted a Muslim terrorist?  that's the surprising part right there.

207 Sure we would have a lock on Delaware with Castle, but what have you won? Another liberal republican who votes with the democrats, sucks face with the opposition, and then at election time, comes back with dick-in-hand talking about all the good conservative values he has espoused? That's what I don't understand. It's the old joke of "We know what you are, now we're just haggling price." So what if he had an R by his name.... he was in belief and attitude and vote-- Dem. I mean, talk about delusion and denial.

208 There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were?

Republican?

209 I don't want t start a war with the people who disagree.It is over and done with.Castle is gone and that is it,I just don't get the continued hate of COD from the right.

210 >224 There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were? Republican?< I was afraid they were going to pull that twist. The (valid) argument is that someone can be a bomber and not look Arab. The bomber was a Muslim convert married to a Muslim and a acolyte of a radical Imam (They said it!) Plus, a nice touch was at the end, the heros, Irish Catholic were around their dinner table saying grace. Such a nice surprise.

211
Actually Steevy, COD is my kinda gal.  Strong conservative values, strong conservative values, and well.............strong conservative values.  Oh yea, and she also has a great ass! 

212 Castle is gone and that is it,I just don't get the continued hate of COD from the right.

I don't either (I have a theory and it ties to the "Palin can't win" mindset too)

213 226 That's why I want to profile based on religion.Never happen of course but they should have their religion on their passports.Converts are often the worst,also "reborn" types as from non practicing families.

214 228 Definately an undercurrent at least of anti Palin and from some,anti female.

215
The right must change it's mindset regarding candidates in the future and be more accepting of those without the blue blood credentials. 

Liberals long ago accepted variances in candidate resumes, and have elected such dweebs as Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, Bwaney Fwank, Sheila Jackson Lee, Cymphia McKinney,  and Guam is going to tip over Hank Johnson.

Not suggesting we accept this level of moonbattery, but we must be willing to look at the COD's of the world, and accept them for their ability to espouse conservative values, love of America, and for the females, their shapely asses.

216

Ugh.  Just when you thought Sir Golfs A Lot was mainly concentrating on wrecking us economically, looks like he wants us to become Eurabia II with a huge influx of "muzzy refugees."  This is copied from a comment at WZ:

Obama authorizes additional 80,000 “refugees” to entry country

President Barack Hussein Obama, in a determination letter to Congress, has announced that he will allow an additional 80,000 immigrants – – mostly from Islamic countries – – to resettle in the United States during fiscal year 2011.

Mr. Obama says that the increase in Muslim immigrants “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”

The following “goals” for new immigrants has been set as follows:

Africa Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â….15,000
East Asia Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â….19,000
Europe and Central Asia Â…Â…Â…Â…2,000
Latin America/CaribbeanÂ…Â…Â…Â….5,500
Near East/South AsiaÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â….35,500
Unallocated ReserveÂ…Â…Â…Â…Â…Â….3,000

Refugee Resettlement Watch and other organizations have expressed grave concern that Mr. Obama is allowing some many immigrants into the country while so many Americans remain out of work and living in poverty.

According to the US Department of Labor, 14.8 million Americans remain unemployed. 6.1 million have been out of work for 27 weeks or over.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/29096

“Mr. Obama says that the increase in Muslim immigrants “is justified by humanitarian concerns or is otherwise in the national interest.”

So do you think any of those idiots in DC will do anything to stop this?

 

217 229 226 That's why I want to profile based on religion.Never happen of course but they should have their religion on their passports.Converts are often the worst,also "reborn" types as from non practicing families.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2010 09:30 AM (HFWSx)

You know, having come from an atheistic eastern European family I did have an adult conversion to Christianity, though not of the "born again" or "fundamentalist" type.  Thing is, when I decided I wanted a new spiritual dimension to my life, I never considered Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism.  Being a Westerner, I just naturally went with MY heritage and culture, MY civilization.

I always thought there is something weird about a European or culturally western American suddenly opting to become a Muslim, complete with the alien clothing.  I guess Buddhism is also alien, but that's a really different: for one things, historically Buddhism was never a strident, unrelenting enemy of the West like Islam was from its very beginnings.  Plus, you always get the feeling most western Buddhists are "fashionable" converts that don't really mean it, anyway.  But a sudden conversion to Islam by some western white kid raised Christian or atheist?  I think that is a huge warning sign that something is not right.

218 There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were?

Do India's "Professional Sex Workers" qualify? ...as Michelle's new bff. Maybe now Obama can start his own church in the White House.

219 People are afraid that the GOP, remembering the 1995 government shut down debacle, will go squishy dealing with Obama. The GOP did a horrible job of explaining the situation and suffered from it. But as badly as the GOP communicated to the American people, you have to remember this was in the days before Fox News and widespread internet usage. The MFM was the only game in town and they slaughtered the GOP.

I think the squishes are more afraid of a possible repeat of the Clinton impeachment effect. The impeachment drove Clinton's poll numbers up and rallied Democrat voters for the 2008 election. Sure, Clinton was more popular at the start of impeachment than Obama is now, but people were definitely getting tired of him. The MFM was also a factor, but probably not so much as in 1995. I think the GOP squishes are worried that if they look too confrontational with Obama it will boost his support and blow up in their faces just like impeachment did.

I think it's an irrational fear, but I think it motivates the GOP squishes. They probably hope that little gets done while everything remains low keyed, resulting in more Obama failures which in turn lowers his (and his party's) popularity for 2012.

Just my guess.

220 Don't stay stuck on PC stupid idiot, ignoring tribal identity all together.

...Rather than "religion", cut to the document chase and identify "ideology".

"Islam" literally translates into "submission".

Islamic? Check what applies:
self-righteous terrorist for Islamic Global Theocracy
non-violent infidel that doesn't want to be involved either way

221 Here is how OB Won is viewing the midterms. 1. It is not a referendum on his policies. 2. The reason that Dems are losing is because Barry wasn't on the ticket so nobody wanted to bother voting. 3. The party in power always loses the midterms. 4. I won. 5. Nothing to see here. 6. The Republicans fooled a lot of people. 7. Nothing to learn in this.

He continues to be surrounded by toadies who insulate him from reality. He lives in the White House - therefore he is Teh Won.

If you think he is melting down now - and to a small extend he is - wait for the 2012 election when he loses with less than 40% of the vote. After a bitter thug laden - complete with beatings and delegate intimidation - democratic convention to secure his renomination which he will be convinced was necessary because his enemies were out to get him. He won't understand that he has been rejected - and never having experienced rejection in his life he will have an all out tantrum. He may have to be physically removed from the White House.

222 Look what happened to Gingrich after the 94 sweep.

Posted by: steevy at October 23, 2010 09:13 AM (HFWSx)

People are afraid that the GOP, remembering the 1995 government shut down debacle, will go squishy dealing with Obama. The GOP did a horrible job of explaining the situation and suffered from it

Posted by: Ed Anger at October 23, 2010 09:48 AM (7+pP9)

The answer to both of those issues lay with the split in the Party. Gingrich had taken over control of the House and the direction of the Party as part of a "conservative" coalition. The RINO squishes did not like this but they had lost the momentum.

When Clinton devised the "government shutdown" scheme and got the aid of the MFM in blaming it on the Republicans the squishes did not want to defend it. They WANTED the blame to go to Gingrich and they got it. So when the phony "book deal" crap came up he had to go and they took over.

The squishes have been in charge of the Party ever since and we have slid downhill ever since. Even when we had a majority in the House or Senate the squishes made sure that no real conservative stuff got done.

223

New Mandate

 

So... It's OK to start sucking each others cock now? or lickin each others cooters?

224 or lickin each others cooters?

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at October 23, 2010 09:59 AM (pMdR+)

Pics, or it didn't happen!

225 Anyone watch "Blue Bloods" last night? There was a terrorist with a bomb and guess what religion they were? Granted, there was a twist (as in they were a convert but)... they mentioned radical Imams. he he he

Posted by: EZB at October 23, 2010 09:16 AM (fa9yq)

I was pretty shocked by it; they threw in a few standard disclaimers ("we can't profile because they've been recruiting in this country" *and* the villain was, in fact, a convert who completely went off the rails) but the underlying message was as clear as if Gary Sinise wrote the script.  IOW it would never have been shown on "Lawbreakers and Disorder"

226 Ed Anger

I wondered about it, but you're right that though launched in late 1986,  by1995 Fox News had not yet reached national popularity, finally outranking the other MSM networks from 2004-2009 busting CBS from top dog status more or less in 2007.



"in the days before Fox News and widespread internet usage."

I agree. Nothing like cumulative effect.

Michael Savage noted this week that the burgeoning conservative talk radio programming made the defining differential augmented online and reluctantly reported on FOX, resulting in the Tea Party Zeitgeist. Savage has been on air since 1994, and of course Rush's show began in 1988.

Since Sean Hannity managed to forge his own shows after subbing for Rush, when will we be graced with a Mark Steyn Show? Doesn't he want a regular gig, or is it that FOX isn't so "tolerant" with a Canadian whose being prosecuted by his government for being politically incorrect? 

227 Look what happened to Gingrich after the 94 sweep.

While at it, don't miss recognizing what Gingrich was before the 94 sweep.

228

The squishes have been in charge of the Party ever since and we have slid downhill ever since. Even when we had a majority in the House or Senate the squishes made sure that no real conservative stuff got done.

Posted by: Vic at October 23, 2010 09:58 AM (/jbAw)

I dunno, Vic. There were enough Republicans in the house with balls to impeach Clinton. The Senate, of course, was a different story.

The sad thing is that even during the Bush years the GOP got more squishy.

229 "lazy incompetent ass"

Please call me "lazy incompetent President".   It's just this thing I have.  I worked so hard to earn that title.

230 I dunno, Vic. There were enough Republicans in the house with balls to impeach Clinton. The Senate, of course, was a different story.

Wasn't Gingrich still in office when those started?

231 The first "no compromise" stance must be:  NO MORE OPEN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.  They invite lib sabotage of viable conservatives.

232 The first "no compromise" stance must be:  NO MORE OPEN REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.  They invite lib sabotage of viable conservatives.

Posted by: Kortezzi at October 23, 2010 10:21 AM (tMyng)

The Republicans do not control that. It is controlled by State law. The Republicans here challenged it in court and the courts ruled that as long as the State was contributing any resources to the primaries that they could set the terms. 

They also said that the State had a vested interest in insuring people had the widest possible choices for participating in voting. 

But anyway, I don't think the open primaries have as big an impact as everyone seem to be scared of. I think the "winner take all" rules are the biggest problem. Or at least they were last time.

233 they've been recruiting in this country" *and* the villain was, in fact, a convert who completely went off the rails) but the underlying message was as clear as if Gary Sinise wrote the script.  IOW it would never have been shown on "Lawbreakers and Disorder"

If it had been L&O, the villain would have been white Christian conservative male (you know, the 'real' evil in the world).

In Blue Bloods, there was even a line about the woman being a 'new convert' and one of the officers saying 'They're the worst!' (or something to that effect).

IOW, the message was "Islam can and still breeds terrorists."

YAY!

234 Time for the morning walk. Back later.

235 Gingrich admitted to having two affairs during the impeachment proceedings. It was a huge story at the time.

236 Remember the 'internal security force as big and as well armed as the military'? Do we get them from the Lame Duck congress?
 

237 EZB

We're fans of Tom Selleck Western movies and his television movies in small coastal town law enforcement.

Heh, in Blue Bloods, they typecast his name to be a very thoughtful "Commissioner Reagan".

You'd agree that this series is excellently produced, great cast, great writing as "well balanced" as could be anticipated.

Donnie Wahlberg, Det. Danny, is riveting working under duress without acting out of touch with reason. How he saved the day last night isn't realistic. But then, he plays an extraordinary sort of down to earth guy. Of course it was a blonde female American convert who played the Islamic radical. Though it could be a white Muslim girl aggressor in reality, the obvious statistics leave the vast majority of Muslim terrorists in the young MALE category, ethnically from the Middle East.  So the shows presentation was politically correct, a safe portrayal of danger. Though obviously produced before the Juan Williams NPR fiasco, I wonder if it was broadcast in the original sequel ordering, or shifted to time with the news.

238

I can only imagine that the first thing the new Congress will attempt is Amnesty.

It's an area in which Democrats and Rinos are in total agreement and will probably be sold to the Republican base as a necessary fig leaf to the White House- necessary to prove that Republicans are ready for compromise and "getting stuff done". They'll tell us they need to do it before we can begin laying the groundwork for full repeal of Obamacare.

Then they'll go ahead and screw us on full repeal if we're stupid enough to get rolled on Amnesty.

Come January, the MFM, the White House and what's left of the Dem Congress will team up with the Rinos to co-opt the Tea Party and screw the Conservative base- in the name of "compromise" and the "moral obligation" of  Republicans to show good faith and cease obstructionism.

The fight we've witnessed over the Delaware Senate race is a foreshadowing of the fight that will be raging full on by this spring between Rinos and the new Tea Party right. The same figures on the Right that opposed O'Donnell in favour of Castle and now Coons will be the ones siding with Boehner and McConnell against Jim DeMint, the Tea Party and the Conservative base.

Mark my words:

GIRD YOUR LOINS!

239  

OK, if I'd known the thread move on to the subject of Tom Selleck westerns, I would have held off with my post for a later thread.

240

I hate it when I realize I've just posted a comment on what I thought was a live thread only to find the last comment was posted seven hours earlier. Shit.

What time do people wake up around here?

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