1 hah, we haz new thread!

2 I wonder about the other 20%. Of course more people than that think they saw Elvis at the diner last week.

3 The other 20% don't trust AoSHQ.

4 The Founding Fathers mistrusted the government. They were pretty sharp guys. Trust the government and you shall always be disappointed.

5 i'm surprised that 20% do or is it 22%.....102% is the new 100%?

6

I wonder if the turd that just showed up on the ONT will follow us over here.

7 60% want to stick it to Wall Street so the Dems have a green light.

8 Um, exactly WHEN will be getting our unicorns?

9   i'm surprised that 20% do

Is that the 1-in-5 who get all their household income from the government?  Or are they in the 80%, wanting more faster and easier?

10 The real problem is that the government has grown far too big. It is impossible to be as large as our government is and also be efficient.

Also, since the government has decided that the Constitution is made from rubber and can they have the power to do anything they want that just makes the situation worse. Throw the rise of gov employee unions in that mix and it is a wonder that anyone at all trusts them.

11

They're making up rules as they go along and sneeringly laughing at us. How much more can our country take?

12
NO... wait!
According to Frank Rich and "I eatid it" LGF, tea parties are the “small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht” .


Free speech only matters when leftists are irritated with a conspiracy theory.
If the government isn't behaving appropriately, and a democrat is at the helm, you better just shut the hell up and obey. 

13 "you must first enable the government to control the governed." See, even Madison agrees with me. Suck it, wingnuts.

14 Hey..you don't have to call me a turd... Obots are scared today, the more turds we see the more we need to flush the toilet in November, by then we will have quite a back up of turds here on AOS so, gird your loins, stock up on valurite, and hobos, you are going to need lots of hobos..

15 I'm looking forward to the spin of how this is 80% overall vs. 80% of doughy white men.

16 From Day One the GOP should have simply noted that Americans just don't trust government to get health care reform "right", and until D.C. regains our trust, they should tread lightly. It's pretty hard to be called racist for that observation.

17 How many of the 22% that trust the government do you think work for the government?

18 Now we know how they found 22% who trust:

Pew Survey Says:

About 25 percent had a favorable opinion of Congress!

Hahahahahaha; Ras puts that a whole lot lower. I guess this is another one of those surveys where they try to slant it but couldn't get it where they really wanted.

19 We just haven't had time or opportunity to tell you stupid peons what's in the legislation we so painstakingly and carefully crafted.

Once someone lets us get our message out, then you'll love us fer sures!

20

15 Hey..you don't have to call me a turd...

I was referring to (ITzbJ).

21 So, is Dingleberry our latest drooling retard?

22 It'd be interesting to know what's up with those 20% submorons. You don't need to "trust the government" 100% of the time or even 1% of the time to subscribe to the democratic principles it's supposedly based on. Also, there's a difference between accepting that government has power over you, at least for the moment--respecting its AUTHORITAH--and trusting it. if there's such a thing as a valid literacy test, that 20% flunked and their having franchise is putting the rest of us at serious risk.

23

Did anyone see Bob Schieffer attempt to sandbag Scott Brown yesterday?

Brown did the same thing to Schieffer that he did to Gergen in that famous debate: he cut off that old limp dick and served it to Schieffer on a plate.

24 tea parties are the “small-scale mimicry of Kristallnacht” .

Rich still believes the Nazi lie that that was a "spontaneous" expression by the citizens? Or is he suggesting that we're acting at the behest of Barry? 

25 About 25 percent had a favorable opinion of Congress!

What percentage of 18-20 age bracket, college graduates, family members, colleagues, blue collar, white collar Ð pay ZERO attention to what their government is up to?

26 For some unintentional comic relief, rawstory.com has a post about a Tea Party (probably held in Delaware) in which some clown by the name of Matt Walsh gets booed off the stage.  LINK

Excerpt:

[Walsh] continued: "Vote for an independent and please, God almighty, do not vote for Sarah Palin. Please dear God do not vote for Sarah Palin. She has not shown us anything. I know everyone's very excited about her, she's probably a very nice woman, but she is not the answer."

That was it: the crowd began to jeer the right-wing host in earnest.

"You're going to boo me off?" Walsh asked. "You're going to boo me off because I'm talking about Sarah Palin? Then you're the problem."

"You're a punk!" a man yelled.

"I'm a punk? Walsh asked. "Because I'm talking about Sarah Palin?"

"She's more of a man than you are!" another protester cried out.

"Sir, you need to back off and let me have my time up here, okay?" Walsh fired back. "You're the problem, sir. I'm a punk and you're an old, senile fart, now back off. ...

27 Brown does have the RINO thing, but can throw a punch like the big man, CHRISTIE.... these two can make the drivel the" Progs " steam and roll , look like the class warfare, America last, selfish turds that they are.

28 We're doing God's work here, son. 

29 turd is the word.

30

The 22% who have confidence in government is about the same percentage as those who identify themselves as "left wing" or "very liberal" on most polls.  Must be a coincidence.

O/T  - on Friday the Feds seized the bank I have been banking at for the last 15 years, and gave it to some bank registered in Delaware.  The reason for the seizure given in the media was insolvency caused by this bank's portfolio of securities backing up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgages.  (!)  (Mandated by Dodd/Frank/CRA/Democrats, of course.) This bank was locally formed, locally owned, and had branches in my county and three nearby counties.  I'm curious to find out who owns the Delaware bank, and whose political campaign they contributed to in the 2008 elections.

31 Yes, this is what I don't understand about Progs. Mistrust of Government is the foundation of the Constitution. They don't see that?

"OMG! You don't trust our government???  Our benevolent Dear Leader?? Let's all hold hands now and sing a song of praise: 'Mmmm, Mmmm, Mmmm . . . '"

32

Posted by: kallisto at April 19, 2010 09:34 AM (+FkcS)

For some reason in the past, doubtlessly erroneous, I put Schieffer on a higher plane than the rest of the LSM cocksuckers.  Maybe it was because he just seemed not particularly telegenic compared to the rest of the news-readers that I gave him credibility that he obviously doesn't deserve.

33 I wonder if the leftards are still gonna trust the government when we take it back and start rolling their socialism up like a cheap carpet?

34 We, your betters, know what we're doing. Now, lay back and take it like Jodie Foster in The Accused.

35 SEDITION!

36 That 22% of Americans would admit to being functionally retarded is a surprise in and of itself. The fact they admit they trust the evil functionally retarded bastards in control of our government now is even more surprising.

37 I can't believe 22%  still trust their government, they must all be ghost-payrollers.

38

4 out of 5 Americans may not trust their government, but 40-50% or more will continue to take welfare and special goodies just for them from that same government anyway.  As the gipper said, "a government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul."  Over half the population pays no income tax and is effectively subsidized by the minority who do. 

What's worse, the government, as Obama proved with Obamacare, can ignore the will of a majority of the people quite easily. Don't count on the next elections bringing the Republicans into actual power, because with Obamacare the government created 30 million new dependent voters who now have a vested interest in keeping their new handouts.  An Amnesty bill will create more of the same. 

As long as the government can confiscate enough wealth for the bread and circusses, everything else will follow.  It's what happens when they can't that we should all worry about.  Because as bad as the government is, a new Dark Ages (which is where we are headed) will be a lot worse.

 

39 some clown by the name of Matt Walsh gets booed off the stage

And rightfully so I would think.  Encouraging the tea party movement to shun the Republican party and vote "independent" would only accomplish the one thing most tea partiers absolutely do not want in this next election, more victories for Democrats.

I guess my first question would be who invited this asshat to speak in the first place?  And what is with all the "I hate Sarah" screed?  He thought that was going to score him some points or something?  Though I must admit the "she's more of a man than you are" line uttered by one of the protesters was classic.

40 That the leftists continue to sell the Big Lie, that the Nazis were right winger instead of socialists infuriates me every time I here it.

41

33

Schieffer used to be more of a centrist, and did not roll over for the lefties who appeared on his show. But then came Teh Won. And the press is so self-conscious of their own inner racist that they go into full tilt 0bama knob polish mode. IMO

42 As long as the government can confiscate enough wealth for the bread and circusses, everything else will follow.

Yes, that will work until the "Visigoths" come in to take over and do their own plundering.

Our current leadership is inviting them in as we speak.

43

We see widespread incompetence

To err is human, as they say, but the main reason that I'm against big government is that it's so bad. They're not even governing; they're doing whatever they want to do with the force of government to back them up. Good, big government is OK with me. Bad, small government is OK, too. But bad, big government always leads to a big, bad mess.

inability to foresee unintended consequences

That's inherent, but there's an inability to recognize that there ever are unintended consequences. People laughed at Rumsfeld when he talked about "unknown unknowns" but some of us instantly knew what he meant. (I miss him.)

and sloppy spending

Describing it as "sloppy" is being kind. How can the government spend over a half trillion dollars on infrastructure and not spend any of it on steel?

with little accountability

They'll say that they're accountable on Election Day, but it does no good to vote someone out of office if they only move to a better job once that happens. They're accountable, all right -- just not to the people who hire and fire them.

and unimpressive results

To be fair, a lot of times government can accomplish impressive results. But when it fails, it's beyond unimpressive. It's disastrous. The bar has been set mighty low when the best citizens can hope for are low-level catastrophes.

(You have a gift for understatement, Dave in Texas. I'm starting to think you're English and not Texan.)

44

(oh, crap -- 44th. I'll call "1st" and "100th" but I try to avoid being #44.)

45

Last Friday, Rush played a clip of Hilary Clinton from awhile ago, where she was screeching like a banshee about how "dissent is patriotic".  But according to the commie govt we have right now, the highest form of patriotism is shutting up and helping the commies loot the country. 

I believe it was Churchill who said there's a lot of ruin in a country.  We are finding out just how smart the man really was.  All around me I see ruin.  Empty storefronts, people I know losing their jobs, and seeing their homes go into foreclosure. 

46

 

#15 ford, you forgot the pudding.  We'll be scroting the pudding in November.

47

a whole 20% trust the govt?  its that high?? I know staunch dems who are absolutely disgusted at what is going on. And the most common line "I had no clue Obama would be this bad".

sounds like a good V8 commercial!  Shoulda done your research, dimwits!

48

#42

That seems about right....

49 Normal curve.  Someone has to hold down the intelligence averages.

50 To err is human, as they say, but the main reason that I'm against big government is that it's so bad....Good, big government is OK with me.

How can big government be good? 

51 MSM spin: 80% of the country are dangerous, violent, racist teabaggers!!!!

52 50, Yep.

53

Well, as Thomas Jefferson said:

“When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is Liberty.”

Fear us, Obama. November is coming.

54 here-hear

55 It's hard to place trust in a criminal enterprise.

56

How can big government be good?

When there's a big project to be undertaken that runs counter to individuals' short-erm interests but is necessary in the longer term. The eradication of the militarist regimes in Imerial Japan and National Socialist Germany come to mind as an example. The construction if the Interstate Highway system is another.

It's rare but possible.

57 It's rare but possible.

Isn't it amazing that the two items you gave as examples are BOTH covered by the Constitution as something authorized for the feds to do?

Yes, it would be good if they just followed the supreme law of the land.

58 Vic, it's like they thought of everything. Everything except a FDR selling snake oil during the perfect storm of a global war, drought, and depression.

59

57th! There's another number I like to call -- very Manchurian Candidatey.

("Imerial" -- duh! But you see what I did there, Jean @ #41? I call them National Socialists so there's no way around the fact that they were socialists.)

60

Vic @ #58: You're preaching to the choir (though I sing off key sometimes).

61 some clown by the name of Matt Walsh gets booed off the stage

For terminal stupidity, I'd imagine......While he was beseeching the crowd "not to vote for Sarah Palin", somebody should've sidled up to this gem and pointed out Sarah P's not on any ballot anywhere (at least that I'm aware of)

62 Everything except a FDR selling snake oil during the perfect storm of a global war, drought, and depression.

Yes, they thought of everything except a congress and States who would not force them to live up to the law of the land.

63 ...OK.

I guess that's not what I think of when I think of "big government"--I'm thinking "instrusive government."   Can't by flattering lightbulbs that don't cause migraines, can't buy showerheads that flow enough water to get the shampoo out of my hair, have to build three gymnasiums in a school of 250 kids, 85% of which compete in interscholastic sports, so they can get their federally-mandated 120 minutes of P.E. a week, blah blah blah.

64

Yes, it would be good if they just followed the supreme law of the land.

By the way, how is the creation of the Interstates covered by the Constitution and at the same time all this nonsense about combatting global warming is not?

It could be put forth that cap 'n trade provides for our defense (against rising oceans), establish justice (to be meted on those who pollute with greenhouse gases) and secures the blessings of liberty for future generations (by allowing future generations to exist instead of being wiped out by climate change).

Not arguing for argument's sake -- we're on the same side here -- just like to get your thoughts.

65 The Constitution actually specifies that congress is authorized to build "postal roads".

66 Last 8 years, blah blah blah blah blah.

67 The Republicans said if we passed Health Control, there would be Armageddon. Well, I checked and there was no meteor or volcanic eruptions..........what?  Oops.

68 Maybe someone else has said what I am about to say, but here it is nevertheless:

These are encouraging numbers, but do not assume they mean anything in and of themselves. This is the people refusing to give their approbation. This does not necessarily mean they are ready to "fight the power". The road to being a cynical French kind of society is quite possible--we are far closer than you think. So don't let up--and strive to make everything as local in control as possible, with the safeguards to protect against liberty occurring at all levels. National helps insure no abuse of power by states. States check abuses of power by local and national. Local checks states and national. That is the way it should work. Don't assume that just because people are kvetching that the majority either are ready, know how, or even know they can check abuses of power on their own. They must be shown all that--that they can, that they should, and how to do so.

These numbers are a base to build upon. They are not the victory.  

69

Eisenhower got the ball rolling on interstate highways because of the difficulties encountered in Europe during WWII getting men & materials into position.  As the former supreme commander of the armed forces in Europe during that war, he made it his goal to build the national highway defense system once he was president of the US.  And there was something in this huge public works project to benefit every interest group in the country.

What is interesting from a historical perspective is that an invasion of the US mainland would have been difficult for a foreign army to accomplish during the 1950's.  But the unintended consequences of building the interstate highway system, and setting Americans loose on the road with big powerful cars, cheap gas, and straight smooth roads where speeds of 80 mph could be easily achieved are still being felt.  (Interesting book, The Road To Nowhere, examines this although the author is deep down kind of a statist.)

 

70

@54

There's that guy, Jefferson, being quoted again here (and a great quote at that).

Can you believe there were people hatin' on the man 'round here the other day? C'mon... say you're sorry... [OK, never mind, I know how they are.]

Actually, I'm a bigger Madison fan.  I wonder how many younguns (or "olduns") even know he's the father of the Constitution. Which means he practically invented the means by which all mankind - not only just people in the US - might be made free.  10,000 years from now, they'll still be applauding this guy (assuming we don't fall into some kind of Commie Dark Age abyss). Not too shabby.

71

I hear you, HeatherRadish. I mean, what good is a 2-gallon toiet tank is you have to flush it 3 times? Doesn't it make more sense to let me flush 5 gallons once?

Another example: A bigger government requires producers of packaged food to list the ingredients of their products and break down the nutritional information. This kind of bigger, more powerful government compels a company to provide accurate, complete information that it otherwise wouldn't. I'm for that, though I can certainly respect the counter position.

A more intrusive government would tell a company that it cannot produce foods with certain qualities. So telling McDonald's that it has to annouce the transfat content of its fries is fine by me, and telling me that maybe there may be health risks in eating transfats is also fine. But when the government tells McDonald's that it can no longer make these fries -- and then tell me that they're doing it for my own good -- crosses the line.

I expect Uncle Sam to protect me from Al Qaeda. I can protect myself from FireHorse.

72 Maddog at 22: No, just me, sockpuppetting.

73 Former Republican congresscritter and current Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood is the subject of an American Spectator article.  Well worth an AoS post, I think.  LINK

74

@27

I'm not one to "hate on" Sarah Palin, but the reaction of the crowd was inappropriate. That's the kind of crap the Leftist adolescents pull.  Just politely listen, let him say his piece, and move on.  Nobody says you have to agree, or even have to clap. It's no excuse to shut down the debate, no matter how popular she might be.

I'd agree that the "vote independent" bit is probably a bad strategy, but it's a legit opinion to express, and the agruments should be heard, not shouted down. Actually, I don't get the controversy. There is, literally, a Conservative Party, is there not. I don't see why there couldn't be a Tea Party whose endorsement would be a plus for (mostly) Republican candidates, the same way a Conservative Party (or Right-to-Life, or - on the other side - Green party) endorsement works today.

Palin is a very charismatic speaker who can really connect with Middle America, and who had accomplished some significant things in Alaska, and who just generally is a common-sense anti-socialist, but she has some deficiencies in her resume, too, that should be carefully looked at.  Didn't we (the US) just try the "let's elect a charismatic speaker with next-to-no experience at the Federal level" strategy? And how's that working out? It just seems like she ought to get more experience in dealing with politics at the national level, to me. It will be interesting to see what she does with the next year of two.

One of my favorite things about her was her stand on energy.  I was disappointed during her campaign where she retreated on her (to paraphrase) "AGW is a load of hooey" stance.

75 Unfortunately, results like this don't tell us much.  Some of the respondents think government can't solve problems and don't trust them to do it.  Others think government should solve more problems but don't trust them to do it.

It's similar to the "right track/wrong track" question.  It doesn't tell you why the people feel the way they do.  With Bush, conservatives were unhappy because government was too big.  Liberals were unhappy because government wasn't big enough.

76

One more li'l rant, but this one comes with a book recommendation:

The Future and Its Enemies by Virginia Postrel is a great book. In it, she describes how Vidal Sasson was barred from opening a salon in New York City because the government on New York State wouldn't give him a license. His argument was that he doesn't offer the types of haircuts that are required to get a license, but he does offer haircuts that actors pay a thousand dollars for.

For government to ensure that a patron won't get an infection from gross, dirty equipment at a hair salon is fine with me. But to keep Vidal Sasson from opening a salon because he doesn't know to cut hair is insane on so many levels.

77 Rove had some interesting things to say about this poll a little while ago on Fox.  He says he always thought Pew tilted towards Dems (that's where the 22% comes from).

One other thing he said was that in this poll the independents were flooding towards Republicans.  That spells doom for the Dems this fall if it doesn't change. 

78 A more intrusive government would tell a company that it cannot produce foods with certain qualities.

That's Phase II of Obamacare.  They will begin to ban things as "bad for the public health."  Since they will be paying for insurance in the form of subsidies, they will claim that right.

You just watch.

79 @75

1) It wasn't a debate - it was a Tea Party event. If Walsh didn't know the difference, he shoulda stayed home.

2) My guess is that Walsh would have been treated politely with his "vote for independents" plea if he hadn't gratuitously included "... and please, God almighty, do not vote for Sarah Palin. Please dear God do not vote for Sarah Palin. She has not shown us anything. I know everyone's very excited about her, she's probably a very nice woman, but she is not the answer" Invoking God (twice) while denouncing Palin by name deserved rebuke. As another commenter said, she is not running for office in 2010, nor has she declared her candidacy for any office in 2012.

3) You posted: I was disappointed during her campaign where she retreated on her (to paraphrase) "AGW is a load of hooey" stance.

Sarah Palin refers to AGW as "snake-oil science"  She said so in Calgary and at the SRLC.  Retreat? - she's reloading.

80

This poll amuses me.

81 I believe Andrew Kohut of Pew, in his interview on NPR this morning, admits that Pew withheld recent but previous similar results because the health care debate was going on. The implication is that he understood how damaging the results would be, because it would highlight how "reform" was being done over the deep and widespread objections of the American people. It is a startling admission of complicity, if I am understanding him correctly. Here is the link, the audio is on the left part way down. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126047343

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