July 04, 2010

Plurality Believes the Spendulus Hurt the Economy
— Gabriel Malor

Sweet. And here I was about ready to give up on the whole American experiment, but it seems there's reason for hope. Americans learn:

The new survey found that just 29% believe last yearÂ’s economic stimulus plan has helped the economy while 43% believe it hurt. Not surprisingly, there is little appetite for another round. By a 69% to 15% margin, voters believe tax cuts is a better way to create jobs rather than more government spending.

Last week, President Obama was telling the G20 that more spending would bring around their national debt-saddled economies. They ignored him and pledged to cut deficit spending by half instead. It looks like they can learn too.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 08:47 AM | Comments (77)
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1

Hmmm

Posted by: elspeth at July 04, 2010 08:47 AM (0B8Zf)

2 Like the will of the people matter.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at July 04, 2010 08:48 AM (ab42L)

3 But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: In before the troll at July 04, 2010 08:48 AM (2xG4a)

4 A new thread?

WTF? 

It's a holiday, get back to the grill, er bar.

Posted by: Kemp at July 04, 2010 08:50 AM (2+9Yx)

5 Not surprisingly, there is little appetite for another round.

Yeah, that's why he is pushing to bail out the teacher's union again. This time in a war funding bill.

Posted by: Vic at July 04, 2010 08:50 AM (6taRI)

6

I'll wait for R2K's numbers.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 04, 2010 08:51 AM (fLHQe)

7 It's a holiday, get back to the grill, er bar.

Oh, it's too early for that. I'm on my way out for coffee.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at July 04, 2010 08:52 AM (1TvCg)

8 Hopefully he will keep pushing it. '94 all over again.

Posted by: Have Blue at July 04, 2010 08:52 AM (mV+es)

9 my Congressman, Tom Perriello, D 5CD Va, does not care what his constituents say so why would anyone quote these figures to him?

Posted by: kelley in virginia at July 04, 2010 08:55 AM (jRcMS)

10
Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 08:55 AM (7+pP9)

11 *SIGH*

When will people wake up?

You gotta go on a credit card spending spree to kick your finances back into gear!

I've already booked our clean, articulate black president and his lovely wife on a "date night" in Honolulu: 5-star hotel, wagyu, caviar, the works!

Posted by: Pocketbook Joe Biden at July 04, 2010 08:55 AM (BP6Z1)

12 #7
You West Coast guys need to start earlier, we're getting ahead of you!!

Posted by: Kemp at July 04, 2010 08:56 AM (2+9Yx)

13
Happy Fourth of July to all real American's, and as an afterthought, fuck Obama, the Wookie, and fat ass Orca. 

Beaches in Juno/Jupiter, Florida loaded with chicks, mommy's with kids, dogs, and the ever present fat broad in a string bikini who thinks she looks good?  Better known as cellulite butt, lard ass, or a beached whale.

Posted by: Fish at July 04, 2010 08:56 AM (v1gw3)

14

By a 69% to 15% margin, voters believe tax cuts is a better way to create jobs rather than more government spending.

There's a statistical tidbit that'll never make it to the MFM Evening News. Or past the Beltway into Washington. Or into The Vapid One's™ head. Or past Slow Joe's hair plugs. Or...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 04, 2010 08:56 AM (i3AsK)

15 it is getting harder to be in business, too. Distributors arent carrying inventories - items that could be procured "just in time" - ie without cash outlay - simply arent available w/o long lead times and bulk order (if at all). We are redesigning boards becuase of component lead time - not obsolesence. So money has to be tied up in inventory and w/o credit - that comes from the owner's pocket.

Posted by: Jean at July 04, 2010 08:56 AM (VARan)

16

It wasn't designed to help the economy. It was a big giant liberal special interest slush-fund.

Posted by: Blazer at July 04, 2010 08:56 AM (t72+4)

17

You can fool 29% of the people all of the time.

 

Posted by: Zombie Lincoln at July 04, 2010 08:57 AM (sOtz/)

18

IOTW had a video up a couple days ago titled "What If," that highlighted the Founders and their intestinal fortitude.  At first, I thought, Meh, what a lousy title.  Then I ruminated on the title a little more.  What if the Founders hadn't done what they did.  Where would we be?  Happy Independence Day, my Moron Friends!

Posted by: RushBabe at July 04, 2010 08:59 AM (qxsyW)

19

You can fool 29% of the people all of the time.

 

Posted by: Zombie Lincoln at July 04, 2010 12:57 PM (sOtz/)

Damn straight!

Gangbustahzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Posted by: Pocketbook Joe Biden at July 04, 2010 08:59 AM (BP6Z1)

20 Yeah, Gabe, but let's not forget the Fateful 52%....

Just because people are waking up to the true dimensions of the catastrophe uninformed, race-guilt-ridden fools (aided by the bought-and-paid-for MSM) visited on us 18 months ago, nothing is being done.

We all howl about the crimes committed by Osama Obama, crimes that would have gotten any past president impeached and jailed, but he and his thugs have what seems to be an unbreakable hold on the country.

The Declaration of Independence lists the reasons we gave King George the finger. Most apply to the Traitor-in-Chief as well.

He's going to get his way if it kills us.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 04, 2010 08:59 AM (Ulu3i)

21 12
Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM

I believe the 200+ economists, including several nobel laureates who signed a letter to the Jug Eraed Idiot-in-Chief, insisting he not sign the porkulus bill because it would massively only add to the deficit, lower tax revenues, and cost millions of jobs..

....those crazy guys

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at July 04, 2010 09:00 AM (AnTyA)

22
Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM (7+pP9)






More comedy, please.

Posted by: Blazer at July 04, 2010 09:03 AM (t72+4)

23 and the ever present fat broad in a string bikini who thinks she looks good? Better known as cellulite butt, lard ass, or a beached whale. Yeah, but thank God we live in a nation free enough for people to make fools of themselves in public.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 04, 2010 09:05 AM (2xG4a)

24 Well, they may care a little about the will of the people. But not enough to keep them from doing what they want to do.

November can't come fast enough.

Posted by: lauraw at July 04, 2010 09:05 AM (DbybK)

25 I picture President Ebola soon yelling, "Turn those machines back on!"

Posted by: eman at July 04, 2010 09:07 AM (kFytp)

26
Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM (7+pP9)






Hey, I know maybe we should go on over to Research 2000 and see what they have to say.

Posted by: Blazer at July 04, 2010 09:07 AM (t72+4)

27 neoCOOONNNNNN!!!!!!!

Posted by: Star Trek ll : The Wrath of Liberal Douchebags at July 04, 2010 09:09 AM (awinc)

28 Obama is the biggest douche bag who ever set foot in the white house, including anyone who ever took the tour and the British soldiers who burned it down in 1814.

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 04, 2010 09:12 AM (QeWQ8)

29 Yeah, but thank God we live in a nation free enough for people to make fools of themselves in public.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 04, 2010 01:05 PM (2xG4a)

Amen!

Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at July 04, 2010 09:12 AM (BP6Z1)

30 We gonna have a hootinanny in November.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 09:16 AM (EaCMR)

31 Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM (7+pP9)


This is an example of why progressivism is a precursor to fascism.. These do-eyed idiots are so impressed with title and fame that they'll follow the latest star, believe anything anyone says 'cause, in this case, "He won a Nobel prize!".

Krugman has been nothing but a water carrier for Preznit Ass-Kicker and has reversed so many things he's said in the past in trying to do so without people laughing at him too hard that it's almost funny to watch.

Oh yeah, Yassir Arafat won a peace prize. Never forget. I hear you can also get one by being the new L. Ron Hubbard. Worked for Algore.

Posted by: jcjimi at July 04, 2010 09:18 AM (wDhX2)

32 I won a Nobel prize too.

Posted by: Al Gore at July 04, 2010 09:20 AM (EaCMR)

33 I won one.

Posted by: Obammy at July 04, 2010 09:20 AM (EaCMR)

34 I have a Nobel prize dispenser in my bathroom.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 09:21 AM (EaCMR)

35 17 it is getting harder to be in business, too. Distributors arent carrying inventories - items that could be procured "just in time" - ie without cash outlay - simply arent available w/o long lead times and bulk order (if at all). We are redesigning boards becuase of component lead time - not obsolesence. So money has to be tied up in inventory and w/o credit - that comes from the owner's pocket.

Jean, It's not that distribution isn't carrying the inventory or don't want to. We can't get it in fast enough from the manufacturers. The company I work deals mainly in process control and not board level components though.I've spent more time the past few months expediting orders as I have processing new ones. I have heard that the chip mfg have really dropped the ball.

Posted by: Mr. Al U Fods at July 04, 2010 09:23 AM (861zQ)

36 I cooked breakfast this morning. That's a Peace Prize!

Posted by: t-bird at July 04, 2010 09:23 AM (FcR7P)

37 You got a Nobel prize?  I have four. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 09:24 AM (EaCMR)

38 *hauls trash bag of Nobel Prizes out of garage*

Can't believe I just let these things pile up for so long.

*drags bag to the curb where it is ignored by trashpickers*

Posted by: lauraw at July 04, 2010 09:27 AM (DbybK)

39 Torches, tar and feather, rails. Some assembly required. Happy Independence Day, Morons!

Posted by: nikkolai at July 04, 2010 09:32 AM (7pQ1Q)

40 I keep my Nobel prizes in the medicine cabinet, so I can see them every morning.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 09:41 AM (EaCMR)

41
Who are we supposed to believe -- a bunch of neocons surveyed by a Republican polling firm or Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman?

Posted by: Patriotic Progressive at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM (7+pP9)




You don't say, I have one too what a coinky-dink

Posted by: The Ghost of Yasser Arafat at July 04, 2010 09:41 AM (t72+4)

42 Now, Gabe, you're doing a fine job of making yourself look silly.

Posted by: Congressman Pete Stark at July 04, 2010 09:45 AM (AZGON)

43 Wait, so you are saying borrowing a trillions dollars and just handing it to the allies of the President did not help the economy? UNPOSSIBLE.

Posted by: The State Media at July 04, 2010 09:46 AM (7BU4a)

44 I've already booked our clean, articulate black president and his lovely wife on a "date night" in Honolulu: 5-star hotel, wagyu, caviar, the works!

Posted by: Pocketbook Joe Biden at July 04, 2010 12:55 PM (BP6Z1)

Can you imagine the news coverage if Bush 43 lived the party hard lifestyle of Obama?

I know, I know.

The man would be at 10% approval...

Posted by: 18-1 at July 04, 2010 09:50 AM (7BU4a)

45 You don't say, I have one too what a coinky-dink

Posted by: The Ghost of Yasser Arafat at July 04, 2010 01:41 PM (t72+4)

Wow, you have to kill a lot fewer people nowadays to get a peace prize! Did you even kill say one hundred thousand?

Posted by: Le Duc Tho at July 04, 2010 09:51 AM (7BU4a)

46 I won a Nobel prize too.

Posted by: Al Gore at July 04, 2010 01:20 PM (EaCMR)

Al, it wasn't funny when you told me it was in your pants.

Posted by: Some Masseuse at July 04, 2010 09:52 AM (7BU4a)

47 Obama is the biggest douche bag who ever set foot in the white house, including anyone who ever took the tour and the British soldiers who burned it down in 1814.

Posted by: Ostral B Heretic at July 04, 2010 01:12 PM (QeWQ

Waygu? Golf every other week? Would you like us to come back?

Posted by: The British Army circa 1814 at July 04, 2010 09:55 AM (7BU4a)

48 I have a Nobel prize dispenser in my bathroom.

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 01:21 PM (EaCMR)


That reminds me... Here ya go.

Posted by: George Orwell at July 04, 2010 09:57 AM (AZGON)

49 I have a Peace Prize too. I let my homie Qadafi have it last year, tho. He was sad and it perked him up.

Posted by: Nelson Mandela at July 04, 2010 09:59 AM (r9UzD)

50 polls like this are the ones to watch. shaping up to be an ugly time, for a long time, for the democratic party, and the gop if it doesnt get and keep its act together

Posted by: skwiself at July 04, 2010 10:00 AM (XvlZj)

51 "Wait, so you are saying borrowing a trillions dollars and just handing it to the allies of the President did not help the economy? UNPOSSIBLE."

Somewhere in the back of Barack's mind a voice is screaming "WHOSE RESPONSIBLE THIS"

Posted by: skwiself at July 04, 2010 10:02 AM (XvlZj)

52 Posted by: George Orwell at July 04, 2010 01:57 PM (AZGON)

That machine is missing the "liberals only" button.

Posted by: Vic at July 04, 2010 10:09 AM (6taRI)

53 I made a sammich. That's a peace prize.

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at July 04, 2010 10:12 AM (AnTyA)

54 Everbody's got to take the haircut.  Postponing it just makes it worse.

Posted by: toby928 at July 04, 2010 10:13 AM (4WbTI)

55 Once the Bush tax cuts expire, we're all going to get another haircut. Pretty soon I'm going to have to set aside a few dollars for some plugs. Is that covered by universal healthcare?

Posted by: MJ at July 04, 2010 10:27 AM (BKOsZ)

56 I have a Nobel prize dispenser in my bathroom. Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 04, 2010 10:40 AM (2xG4a)

57 "Better known as cellulite butt, lard ass, or a beached whale. " I gave up on making comments like that when a bunch of earnest, unshaven ladies tried to drag me back into deeper water...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at July 04, 2010 10:40 AM (T5BMZ)

58 36 I have a Nobel prize dispenser in my bathroom.

that's funny

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 04, 2010 10:57 AM (IqfKc)

59 You can fool 29% of the people all of the time.

The science is settled

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at July 04, 2010 10:58 AM (IqfKc)

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 11:12 AM (EaCMR)

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 11:14 AM (EaCMR)

Posted by: rdbrewer at July 04, 2010 11:14 AM (EaCMR)

63

"You can fool 29% of the people all of the time."

 

There are some people that want to believe the worst about what's good and the best about what isn't good because they have a personal stake in believing it, regardless of the facts on the issue.  The're fooled because they want to be fooled.

Posted by: Speller at July 04, 2010 11:17 AM (o0R2E)

64 So Obamabots comprise about 30% of the population.  Sweet!

Posted by: GarandFan at July 04, 2010 11:20 AM (6mwMs)

65 not surprising look at how many Americans think that Jesus Christ will reappear on Earth during their lifetime. Or believe that the Earth is only as old as the Bible says.

Posted by: Denny Crane at July 04, 2010 11:37 AM (I+7Zv)

66 Rasmussen was the last major pollster to have McCain winning in 2008

Posted by: Denny Crane at July 04, 2010 11:41 AM (I+7Zv)

67 Mr Al: It is a fundemental lack of credit and confidence. why hold inventory? I am having trouble even getting resin for injection molds.

Posted by: Jean at July 04, 2010 11:50 AM (zQob/)

68 > You can fool 29% of the people all of the time. This is within 4 points of Broflovski's Law (25% of Americans are retarded). This seems legit to me.

Posted by: The Chap in the Deerstalker Cap at July 04, 2010 11:59 AM (I+cd5)

69 68 Rasmussen was the last major pollster to have McCain winning in 2008

Posted by: Denny Crane at July 04, 2010 03:41 PM (I+7Zv)

I like how you left out the fact that Rasmussen was tied with Pew as the most accurate pollster in the 2008 presidential election (i.e., in perfect agreement with the actual election result):

http://tinyurl.com/58ha9z

But you're a Leftist, so why let facts get in the way of your dishonest and idiotic talking points.  How do you live with yourself knowing that you have to lie and mislead on a regular basis to justify your opinions anyway?  What a sad, pathetic existence.

Posted by: Slappy at July 04, 2010 12:13 PM (ljvjO)

70 Happy Independence Day, Morons. Getting close to BBQ o'clock here on the west coast. Hope all my fake internet friends have a great day.

Posted by: Terry at July 04, 2010 12:15 PM (ddL+W)

71 If Obama's lost Doonesbury, he's lost the country.  Today's Doonesbury is openly critical of Obama.  Snowball fight in hell tonight, that's for sure.

Posted by: OCBill at July 04, 2010 01:32 PM (p28Ei)

72 If Obama's lost Doonesbury, he's lost the country.  Today's Doonesbury is openly critical of Obama.

Some SEIU thugs will change his mind about that.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at July 04, 2010 01:56 PM (DQqAF)

73 Spending to get yourself out of Debt, explain to me how that is supposed to WORK?  So to get rid of my creditcard and student loan debt I should spend more? What take out another loan to pay those debts off, then take about another loan to pay that loan off.

That is pretty much that the US Govt is doing.

I like how cash strapped the G20 nations are basically telling Pres Obama to F*** off. These are the nations that were once all ga ga over him, this guy is WORSE than Carter in being totally ineffectual. Obama still  thinks is kingshit and all should listen and obey him. 2012 cannot come fast enough, November 2010 is going to be a bad month for Obama and his party.

Obama lost Doonesbury, even Rolling Stone is slamming his ass calling his bank bailout a sell out to the bankers and this precious Health care reform a sell out to big pharma, and big insurance.  He has become a disappointment even to the leftists. The GOP is going to win big because many of his past are going to sit the next one out, vote for some radical third party or go GOP. The ones that so GOP are probably going to stay that way.

Only people will be left will be the deluded  die hard fanatics, like the Michael jackson wackos who still see hism as a 25 year olf black man not the shrived and bleached Dripinol taking pedophile.

Posted by: Gary B at July 04, 2010 04:09 PM (1gWfF)

74 My solution: Let's just give Obama back to Indonesia.  We could throw in a couple-hundred billion if they'll agree to take the members of the House and Senate, too... 

I know, it sounds expensive, but really- it would be a bargain compared to letting the 'tards remain here in the US.

--------------------

When  USA 2.0  is up and running, we need to settle on a way to strip individuals of citizenship and expel them.  If the current crop of legislators understood that they could be exiled to Bangladesh, they MIGHT pay a little more attention to that silly "oath-of-office" thingie.  Who knows? -- maybe they'd even take the time to READ THE DANG BILLS before voting "yes".     ~=sigh=~     or maybe they still wouldn't....

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at July 04, 2010 04:10 PM (9IT5N)

75  Those who don't see how bad Obama is for this country, well there loading the boxcars as we speak.

Posted by: jainphx at July 04, 2010 05:20 PM (GnEO9)

76 Well, normally I wouldn't post this, but since no liberals would see it here, except our resident trolls who aren't clever enough to figure out why this is meaningful...

We don't need a tax cut to rescue this faltering economy, as much as we need some tax decisiveness.

If businesses knew with relative certainty what their taxes and unemployment insurance costs would be for the next 3-5 years; and knew this from a source they trusted to defend this decision come hell or high water; that would likely be sufficient.

Lower taxes are good, but the problem right now isn't the actual tax rates as much as the uncertainty of what fresh hell the government will spring on them in the months and years to come.  With the debt skyrocketing, and So-So Security and Medicare looking to drive the government into a corner, businesses know they'll get hit.  And they know they'll pay higher UI per employee for as long as the Government decides to extend benefits...

Actually lowering spending, getting so-so security and medicare costs under better control, and you can let the Bush tax cuts expire with a promise that you won't raise anything any further, and you'll let UI coverage get back to normal... that would help right now more than a tax cut; if it were a reliable source who kept promises and was fiscally and politically reliable.

Sadly I don't think any part of that is even vaguely possible.

Posted by: Gekkobear at July 05, 2010 02:19 AM (I+L6x)

77 Gekkobear,

It's not that simple.  I just took a pay cut, in the form of an unpaid, forced, four weeks off.  I consider myself lucky to still have a job.  So, what doesn't get bought or paid off so I can give the government more money?  There isn't a lot of slack in the family budget, and I'm one of the lucky ones.  The certainty for business is no certainty at all.  When the customer has no money, you don't sell much.

This is going to end, and end badly.  I just hope the folks who caused it get theirs in full measure. It didn't have to be this way.  


Posted by: MarkD at July 05, 2010 04:52 AM (YhZfg)

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